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AlbertoSNMek!11:54
jared!rmb12:00
ubottucjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat,  hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, micahg,  Pendulum, PabloRubienes, freeflying, jared, s-fox, amachu, and chilicuil. Meeting time.12:00
jaredGood evening all, please bear with us while we gather enough to reach quorum for the meeting12:00
AlbertoSNOkay12:01
jared#startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board12:05
meetingologyjared: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.12:05
jared#endmeeting12:05
jaredHmm12:05
jaredI'm not sure I can make the bot work12:05
jared#startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board12:06
meetingologyjared: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.12:06
IdleOne#endmeeting12:06
IdleOneinteresting12:07
jaredI think it needs to be the previous chair to end it12:07
AlbertoSNI think it's uneeded: the meeting has been started by the bot12:07
jaredSo, my logic is the channel is publicly logged anyway, should we just do it old school and manual?12:08
IdleOnejared: yes12:08
jaredAlbertoSN: it's still on a previous meeting, not the current one.12:08
jaredSo we'll just ignore the bot for now12:08
jaredHello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for April 16, 2014.12:08
qengho"We'll do it live!"12:08
jaredThe wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards12:08
jaredWe will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.12:08
jaredThe format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).12:09
jaredEach applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.12:09
jaredDuring this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.12:09
jaredWhen the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)12:09
hggdhQuintasan: /msg qengho do you have anyone from Canonical that is also an Ubuntu member to vouch for you during the RMB meeting? If so, it would be good to have them present *now*12:09
jared(As much as prerecorded messages are "manual")12:09
hggdhdammit12:09
Quintasanoh well12:09
* hggdh apologises. But the message is considered sent12:10
Quintasan:D12:10
jaredSo, we have Chad Miller up first, is Chad here with us (the nickname on Launchpad doesn't appear to be here)12:10
hggdhactually, the nick is present -- qengho12:10
qenghoI'm Chad.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChadMiller/DeveloperApplication12:10
jaredGood evening qengho , sorry was reading the wrong nick12:11
jaredqengho: can you please introduce yourself while the board reads over the application12:11
qenghoI've been involved in Debian and Ubuntu for a long while.  Switched to Linux in 1995, though Slackware.  Debian immediately won me over.12:11
jaredFor the record, as the bot is broken, the current boardmembers present are hggdh, Pendulum, IdleOne and I.12:11
qenghoBecame Debian Developer in late 1990s.12:12
qenghoMaintained a few packages, and gave up DD in 2004 or so.12:12
qenghoI signed on to code-of-conduct early in Ubuntu's life, and joined Canonical about 4 years ago.12:13
qenghoI've been happy with other people sponsoring my packages, but since I am the only person working on chromium-browser, I think I should try to join officially and get permission to upload directly.12:14
qenghoEOF12:14
jaredqengho: ah I was wondering that, were you specifically seeking upload rights or just Ubuntu membership?12:15
hggdhqengho: just a question, right now: why are you here instead of the DMB?12:15
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IdleOneDMB = Developer Membership Board (they are the ones who can grant upload rights)12:16
IdleOnethank you AlanBell12:16
AlanBellanyone can op up and do chair commands12:16
qenghojared: Well, upload also, but I don't have a strong opinion about it.  I have good sponsors available.12:16
jaredqengho: the main problem being is we are unable to grant any developer rights on this board12:17
jaredWe're happy to proceed based upon gaining Ubuntu Membership but just to let you know the DMB (as pointed out) are the ones capable of giving upload rights (and also have the ability to grant Ubuntu Membership)12:19
qenghohggdh, jared, I see.  Well, I'd still like membership.12:19
jaredqengho: no problems, just making sure you're aware of all the outcomes12:20
PendulumThe DMB also is also able to confer a level of membership that has a little more relevancy to developers than just regular Ubuntu Membership. We can't give it out and I haven't heard it being added on top of someone who was given membership through an RMB12:21
hggdhqengho: our problem is your wiki is geared for a DMB application; there is not much for a RMB application (like, community)12:22
qenghoOh.12:22
hggdhqengho: this was one reason for me trying to /msg you earlier on12:23
IdleOneI would suggest you apply directly to the DMB, if approved by them you would get Ubuntu membership + the upload rights you are seeking12:23
AlbertoSNExcuse me: the Internet connection of my university disconected12:23
qenghoVery well.  Thank you.12:23
IdleOnebut if you want to proceed here that is also fine. Just know that we can't give you upload privs12:23
jaredAlbertoSN: no problems, just taking through options with qengho still12:24
jaredqengho: the DMB's next meeting is Monday - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda is that a suitable time in your time zone?12:24
cyphermoxI'm around now12:25
qenghojared: that time is fine. I'll take my application there.12:25
IdleOneqengho: sorry about the confusion the application process may have caused.12:25
qenghoAnd I'm sorry for wasting time.12:25
IdleOneno worries :)12:26
Pendulumqengho: We just want to make sure that you're able to apply to the team most equipped to deal with your interests and needs. It's not time wasted at all :)12:26
IdleOne^12:26
jaredqengho: no time wasting, just making sure you get the right outcome.12:26
jaredHah, at least we're consistent12:27
jaredqengho: did you h ave any other questions about the process or can we move on to the next applicant?12:28
qenghoNo questions. EOF12:30
jaredAlbertoSN: can you please introduce yourself while we read over your application12:30
jaredqengho: thanks for that12:30
AlbertoSNYes12:30
AlbertoSNMy name is Alberto Salvia Novella: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/es20490446e12:31
AlbertoSNI coordinate the "One Hundred Papercuts" project: https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts12:31
AlbertoSNSince, I believe, November or before12:32
AlbertoSNI joined Ubuntu Bug Control a year ago, and since then managed several bugs: https://launchpad.net/~es20490446e/+karma12:33
jaredAlbertoSN: I've noticed there has been a little friction lately with regards to your handling of bugs. Have you been able to work through that with the team?12:34
AlbertoSNBrian Murray told me he will speak with my in regard of this after tTrusty has been released. But I have no news about it since, I believe, he's somehow busy at this time.12:36
AlbertoSNBetter to ask himself.12:36
jaredAlbertoSN: no worries12:37
NikThAlbertoSN: Good wiki page and very good contribution in bug management. Try to keep it that way (in regards to bug management).12:37
NikThJust to let you know, AlbertoSN has my support in his Ubuntu membership application.12:37
AlbertoSNThank you, NikTh12:38
AlbertoSN:)12:38
AlbertoSNIs there any information you'll find useful about me?12:39
jaredAlbertoSN: sorry, just reading over information still12:40
AlbertoSNContinue please: I believe watching at what has been already done is better than me explaining it12:40
jaredAlbertoSN: okay, so I'll lay it out. We are having problems reconciling an application when you have had access removed in Launchpad pending a discussion at a more appropriate time.12:41
jaredAlbertoSN: We (the board have been discussing) believe it might be better to put your application on hold until you're able to have that discussion with the appropriate people.12:42
AlbertoSNOkay: thank you12:43
hggdhBTW I want to make clear that I will not vote for, or against, AlbertoSN until he, Brian, and I get together12:43
jaredAlbertoSN: would you be comfortable putting it on hold until such a time?12:43
AlbertoSNI have no hurry12:43
jaredWe don't want to outright deny it without discussion but we do feel an important part of membership is getting along with the community. And while such actions are still outstanding we feel we can't make a proper judgement until that is completed12:43
AlbertoSNOk12:45
jaredAlbertoSN: thank you for your understanding. We are more than happy to look at your application again as soon as that is resolved.12:46
jaredAlbertoSN: do you have any questions for us?12:48
AlbertoSNNope: thank you12:51
jaredAlbertoSN: Thank you for your understanding. As we said, please do apply again when you feel ready and the issue with Bug Control is resolved.12:52
AlbertoSNBai bai12:56
AlbertoSNHave a nice day12:57
jaredOk well I think that wraps it up for us this evening/morning12:57
jaredThanks to the board members who were around and thanks to the applicants12:57
AlanBell#startmeeting13:39
meetingologyAlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.13:39
AlanBellno it isn't :)13:39
AlanBellmeetingology: quit13:39
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AlanBell#done bar13:50
AlanBell#vote on stuffs13:50
meetingologyPlease vote on: on stuffs13:50
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)13:50
AlanBell+1 to that13:50
meetingology+1 to that received from AlanBell13:50
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meetingologyVoting ended on: on stuffs13:50
meetingologyVotes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:013:50
meetingologyMotion carried13:50
AlanBell#topic something13:50
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AlanBellok, seems happy now13:51
hggdhAlanBell: thank you sir14:14
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MooDooare you breaking things again AlanBell ?14:19
AlanBellMooDoo: things need breaking from time to time :)15:10
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MooDoohello all17:22
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PiciI have a meatspace conference call I need to attend now too, so I'll be trying to multitask17:58
MooDooI'm sure you'll cope Pici :)17:58
Piciand I'm eating lunch17:58
MooDoonow steady on there :)17:59
MooDooI must admin I'm only here for 30 mins as I have to put kids to bed :D17:59
optrustyhi guys18:01
MooDoohello optrusty18:01
optrustyyou is the meeting starting18:01
MooDooyeah should be in a min18:02
MooDooI hope lol18:02
AlanBellhi18:02
MooDoohello AlanBell18:02
optrustyhi Alam18:02
optrustywoops18:02
AlanBell#startmeeting IRC team meeting18:02
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optrustysorry18:02
AlanBellhi all18:02
MooDoogood evening18:02
optrustyhi!18:02
phunyguyhi18:02
AlanBellso we have an agenda over here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda18:03
AlanBellif anyone has anything else to add at the end then feel free to PM me as and when the topic occurs to you18:03
AlanBell#topic Review last meetings action items18:03
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IdleOneo/18:04
MooDooapologies but i can only stay till 7:30 as the kids needs to be put to bed.18:04
AlanBelllast meeting was here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/IRCC/2014031918:04
PiciWe did the factoid cleanup.18:05
AlanBellone action was to follow up on reporting back to the community, which I think we clarified in the meeting, we can do responsive things via the tracker, otherwise monthly meetings or whatever is appropriate for the issues as they are raised18:06
knomeand via the LP bugs.18:06
PiciSort of related, we have a meeting with the CC tomorrow.18:06
AlanBellwe did the factoid changes, we have a bit of cleanup still to do18:06
AlanBellI have been a bit unavailable for a few weeks with year end stuff18:07
AlanBelland yes, we have a meeting with the CC tomorrow, which is also release day18:08
AlanBell#topic Open items in the IRCC tracker18:08
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AlanBelljust checked, nothing in the tracker18:08
PiciYay!18:08
AlanBell#topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council18:08
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AlanBellour one bug is bug 89250118:08
ubottubug 892501 in ubuntu-community "Floodbots - need a re-write to be under ubuntu operator team control" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89250118:08
AlanBellhow is unopaste doing?18:08
Pici'okay'18:09
PiciAlthough, to be honest, I haven't seen a lot of paste offenders in recent memory.18:09
AlanBellneed any tweaks? any false positives? is it sufficient?18:09
phunyguythere was one failure to quiet though.18:10
AlanBellneed to be in other channels?18:10
phunyguyI would have to dig in logs to get the scenario.18:10
phunyguyBut I think that was related to recent netsplits.18:10
MooDoowhich have been fun :(18:11
AlanBellI am not sure if there are enough people here right now to get a wide range of opinions on it, I think we will leave the bug open for a bit longer18:12
AlanBellunopaste does so much less than the floodbots did, but I don't really know if there are any other priority functions to implement18:13
Picilets see what the release tomorrow brings18:13
IdleOnethe bot seems to be working pretty good as is.18:13
AlanBellPici: good point18:13
Picisomething about it was annoying me, but I forget what it was.18:14
IdleOneI don't think there is a rush to add features, whatever those features might be.18:14
AlanBellit failed to authenticate at some point in the splits18:14
IdleOnewhich is why it had failed to mute18:15
phunyguyahh that may have caused the failure I mentioned.18:15
phunyguyyep.18:15
AlanBelloh, that would do it, yes18:15
AlanBellneeds more admins, not just me18:15
IdleOnebut that was one little hiccup18:15
AlanBellI will sort that out when I figure out how18:15
AlanBellok, moving on18:16
AlanBell#topic factoid review review - did it work, should anything be reversed?18:16
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AlanBellwe had a major cull of factoids, have they been missed?18:16
IdleOnenothing I noticed18:16
AlanBelldid the change make a positive difference anywhere?18:16
knomeat least not a negative.18:17
phunyguyI think it was a good thing.18:17
AlanBellgood to know :)18:18
AlanBellikonia raised some concerns about factoids that link to non-maintained sources like blogs rather than the wiki, that would be a good thing to clean up over time18:19
AlanBellI might try and figure out which factoids contain links18:20
AlanBellactually http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=http  kinda does it18:20
AlanBellstuff like18:21
AlanBell!sudo18:21
ubottusudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo18:21
AlanBellwith a link to good information at psychocats.net would be better linking to good information at wiki.ubuntu.com18:22
phunyguythat sounds like something I can do.18:22
phunyguythe wiki part anyway18:22
AlanBellok, so in general the factoid cleanup has not lead to the end of the world as we know it, and might be a good thing18:22
AlanBellthat would be great phunyguy :)18:23
IdleOneWe tried this a couple years back. If the info on psychocats for example is good, why copy it?18:23
AlanBellthere might be other things with dead links18:23
AlanBellor outdated information18:23
elfyfyi /me is pretty sure that aysiu is not doing much in the way of maintaining psychocats18:24
PiciThen maybe we should just check for dead/outdated information18:24
IdleOnemaking sure the info we link to is good, is good.18:25
Picigood18:25
PiciI mean agreed.18:25
IdleOne:)18:26
AlanBell#action review factoids for links to unmaintained or outdated information, prefering links to official sources18:26
meetingologyACTION: review factoids for links to unmaintained or outdated information, prefering links to official sources18:26
AlanBell#topic Call for Operators18:27
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AlanBellok, so we did a call for operators, which we do roughly in line with the development cycle to be part of the cadence of the project as a whole18:27
AlanBellhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2014-April/001692.html18:28
knomemay i notice also #ubuntu-doc could do well with one more (active) operator in the doc team.18:28
AlanBellthere are a number of applicants that we have been looking at, we have received feedback from a number of people, which is given confidentially, we are open to any further feedback, we also looked at things like the lines of text said in the various channels and launchpad karma (neither of which is an overriding factor)18:29
Piciknome: thats not a core channel, so they can just ask us if they need to add another person onto the access list there.18:29
knomePici, then consider me just asked :)18:29
AlanBellnow we need to decide, if we have enough IRCC here at the moment18:30
Piciknome: Well, you'd have to give us the account of the person you want us to add too.18:30
knomePici, you can add me18:30
knomeAlanBell, PM is okay?18:30
AlanBellhggdh: Tm_T: here?18:30
AlanBellknome: yeah, fine or #ubuntu-irc-council18:31
IdleOnePici: feel free to add me there also. I'm in that channel anyway I can easily keep an eye on it too18:31
AlanBellwhere I should be18:31
PiciIdleOne: knome: done and done18:32
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IdleOnewe're op buddies now!18:32
IdleOne:P18:32
AlanBellget a room18:32
IdleOnek18:32
phunyguy:(18:32
knomeIdleOne, lol18:32
knomePici, thanks18:32
Picinp18:32
Picihmm18:34
MooDoook guys i know this is the important bit that i wanted to be here for, but it's late and I need to get the kids to bed....apologies all around :(18:34
AlanBellI think we will decide on them later, as soon as possible when all 4 of the IRCC are about, we will communicate the results to the applicants and the list18:34
AlanBellbut any further feedback now would be great18:34
PiciAgreed.  We will communicate internally, place our votes, and then communicate the results18:35
AlanBellok, there are no membership applications so any other business really18:35
AlanBell#topic Any Other Business18:35
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Picisorry potential ops... we'll try to get this finished up as soon as we can.18:36
AlanBellyeah, hopefully later today or tomorrow, no need for any further delay on that18:36
phunyguy:(18:36
Piciagreed18:36
Tm_Thi, sorry I don't have capability until tomorrow18:36
AlanBelltomorrow we have a meeting with the Community Council, is there anything particular we should raise with them?18:37
PiciCompliments on their choice of timing?18:38
AlanBella very happy 14.04 to all18:38
Pici:)18:39
phunyguyditto.18:39
IdleOnethanks and same to you.18:40
optrusty:D18:41
AlanBellspeaking of 14.04, it is release day tomorrow, we have a few things that causes in terms of factoid changes I believe18:41
AlanBellwe don't have a name for 14.10 yet do we?18:41
IdleOnenot that I know of18:42
IdleOne!14.1018:42
IdleOnenope18:42
phunyguyUnicorn!18:42
AlanBellUniversal Unicorn18:42
IdleOne14.10 Ubuntu Ubuntu (So nice we said it twice)18:43
PiciAlanBell: We should probably figure out how to get the config values on ubottu changed before then18:43
Picisince we always have to bug ts1mpson about it18:43
IdleOneI think you can bug unit193 about it too. he should know18:43
IdleOnehopefully one of you has enough access to make the changes18:44
AlanBellok, any other items around release, or any other things to discuss?18:46
AlanBellguess that means another UDS coming up as well18:46
IdleOneyippee, another UDS that is not really accessible to most users18:47
AlanBellthere was a 14.03 UDS, next one would be 14.06 perhaps18:48
AlanBellnext meeting will be . . . 21st May, same time18:50
AlanBellin the absence of anything else, lets wrap this one up . . . .18:50
AlanBell#endmeeting18:50
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IdleOnethank you for the meeting18:50
AlanBellthanks all18:50
AlanBellwe will sort out the ops applicants real soon18:51
optrustybye18:51
hggdhdarn!18:57
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