[11:54] <AlbertoSN> Mek!
[12:00] <jared> !rmb
[12:00] <jared> Good evening all, please bear with us while we gather enough to reach quorum for the meeting
[12:01] <AlbertoSN> Okay
[12:05] <jared> #startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:05] <meetingology> jared: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[12:05] <jared> #endmeeting
[12:05] <jared> Hmm
[12:05] <jared> I'm not sure I can make the bot work
[12:06] <jared> #startmeeting 1200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:06] <meetingology> jared: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[12:06] <IdleOne> #endmeeting
[12:07] <IdleOne> interesting
[12:07] <jared> I think it needs to be the previous chair to end it
[12:07] <AlbertoSN> I think it's uneeded: the meeting has been started by the bot
[12:08] <jared> So, my logic is the channel is publicly logged anyway, should we just do it old school and manual?
[12:08] <IdleOne> jared: yes
[12:08] <jared> AlbertoSN: it's still on a previous meeting, not the current one.
[12:08] <jared> So we'll just ignore the bot for now
[12:08] <jared> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for April 16, 2014.
[12:08] <qengho> "We'll do it live!"
[12:08] <jared> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:08] <jared> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:09] <jared> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:09] <jared> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:09] <jared> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:09] <jared> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:09] <hggdh> Quintasan: /msg qengho do you have anyone from Canonical that is also an Ubuntu member to vouch for you during the RMB meeting? If so, it would be good to have them present *now*
[12:09] <jared> (As much as prerecorded messages are "manual")
[12:09] <hggdh> dammit
[12:09] <Quintasan> oh well
[12:10]  * hggdh apologises. But the message is considered sent
[12:10] <Quintasan> :D
[12:10] <jared> So, we have Chad Miller up first, is Chad here with us (the nickname on Launchpad doesn't appear to be here)
[12:10] <hggdh> actually, the nick is present -- qengho
[12:10] <qengho> I'm Chad.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChadMiller/DeveloperApplication
[12:11] <jared> Good evening qengho , sorry was reading the wrong nick
[12:11] <jared> qengho: can you please introduce yourself while the board reads over the application
[12:11] <qengho> I've been involved in Debian and Ubuntu for a long while.  Switched to Linux in 1995, though Slackware.  Debian immediately won me over.
[12:11] <jared> For the record, as the bot is broken, the current boardmembers present are hggdh, Pendulum, IdleOne and I.
[12:12] <qengho> Became Debian Developer in late 1990s.
[12:12] <qengho> Maintained a few packages, and gave up DD in 2004 or so.
[12:13] <qengho> I signed on to code-of-conduct early in Ubuntu's life, and joined Canonical about 4 years ago.
[12:14] <qengho> I've been happy with other people sponsoring my packages, but since I am the only person working on chromium-browser, I think I should try to join officially and get permission to upload directly.
[12:14] <qengho> EOF
[12:15] <jared> qengho: ah I was wondering that, were you specifically seeking upload rights or just Ubuntu membership?
[12:15] <hggdh> qengho: just a question, right now: why are you here instead of the DMB?
[12:16] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[12:16] <IdleOne> DMB = Developer Membership Board (they are the ones who can grant upload rights)
[12:16] <IdleOne> thank you AlanBell
[12:16] <AlanBell> anyone can op up and do chair commands
[12:16] <qengho> jared: Well, upload also, but I don't have a strong opinion about it.  I have good sponsors available.
[12:17] <jared> qengho: the main problem being is we are unable to grant any developer rights on this board
[12:19] <jared> We're happy to proceed based upon gaining Ubuntu Membership but just to let you know the DMB (as pointed out) are the ones capable of giving upload rights (and also have the ability to grant Ubuntu Membership)
[12:19] <qengho> hggdh, jared, I see.  Well, I'd still like membership.
[12:20] <jared> qengho: no problems, just making sure you're aware of all the outcomes
[12:21] <Pendulum> The DMB also is also able to confer a level of membership that has a little more relevancy to developers than just regular Ubuntu Membership. We can't give it out and I haven't heard it being added on top of someone who was given membership through an RMB
[12:22] <hggdh> qengho: our problem is your wiki is geared for a DMB application; there is not much for a RMB application (like, community)
[12:22] <qengho> Oh.
[12:23] <hggdh> qengho: this was one reason for me trying to /msg you earlier on
[12:23] <IdleOne> I would suggest you apply directly to the DMB, if approved by them you would get Ubuntu membership + the upload rights you are seeking
[12:23] <AlbertoSN> Excuse me: the Internet connection of my university disconected
[12:23] <qengho> Very well.  Thank you.
[12:23] <IdleOne> but if you want to proceed here that is also fine. Just know that we can't give you upload privs
[12:24] <jared> AlbertoSN: no problems, just taking through options with qengho still
[12:24] <jared> qengho: the DMB's next meeting is Monday - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda is that a suitable time in your time zone?
[12:25] <cyphermox> I'm around now
[12:25] <qengho> jared: that time is fine. I'll take my application there.
[12:25] <IdleOne> qengho: sorry about the confusion the application process may have caused.
[12:25] <qengho> And I'm sorry for wasting time.
[12:26] <IdleOne> no worries :)
[12:26] <Pendulum> qengho: We just want to make sure that you're able to apply to the team most equipped to deal with your interests and needs. It's not time wasted at all :)
[12:26] <IdleOne> ^
[12:26] <jared> qengho: no time wasting, just making sure you get the right outcome.
[12:27] <jared> Hah, at least we're consistent
[12:28] <jared> qengho: did you h ave any other questions about the process or can we move on to the next applicant?
[12:30] <qengho> No questions. EOF
[12:30] <jared> AlbertoSN: can you please introduce yourself while we read over your application
[12:30] <jared> qengho: thanks for that
[12:30] <AlbertoSN> Yes
[12:31] <AlbertoSN> My name is Alberto Salvia Novella: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/es20490446e
[12:31] <AlbertoSN> I coordinate the "One Hundred Papercuts" project: https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
[12:32] <AlbertoSN> Since, I believe, November or before
[12:33] <AlbertoSN> I joined Ubuntu Bug Control a year ago, and since then managed several bugs: https://launchpad.net/~es20490446e/+karma
[12:34] <jared> AlbertoSN: I've noticed there has been a little friction lately with regards to your handling of bugs. Have you been able to work through that with the team?
[12:36] <AlbertoSN> Brian Murray told me he will speak with my in regard of this after tTrusty has been released. But I have no news about it since, I believe, he's somehow busy at this time.
[12:36] <AlbertoSN> Better to ask himself.
[12:37] <jared> AlbertoSN: no worries
[12:37] <NikTh> AlbertoSN: Good wiki page and very good contribution in bug management. Try to keep it that way (in regards to bug management).
[12:37] <NikTh> Just to let you know, AlbertoSN has my support in his Ubuntu membership application.
[12:38] <AlbertoSN> Thank you, NikTh
[12:38] <AlbertoSN> :)
[12:39] <AlbertoSN> Is there any information you'll find useful about me?
[12:40] <jared> AlbertoSN: sorry, just reading over information still
[12:40] <AlbertoSN> Continue please: I believe watching at what has been already done is better than me explaining it
[12:41] <jared> AlbertoSN: okay, so I'll lay it out. We are having problems reconciling an application when you have had access removed in Launchpad pending a discussion at a more appropriate time.
[12:42] <jared> AlbertoSN: We (the board have been discussing) believe it might be better to put your application on hold until you're able to have that discussion with the appropriate people.
[12:43] <AlbertoSN> Okay: thank you
[12:43] <hggdh> BTW I want to make clear that I will not vote for, or against, AlbertoSN until he, Brian, and I get together
[12:43] <jared> AlbertoSN: would you be comfortable putting it on hold until such a time?
[12:43] <AlbertoSN> I have no hurry
[12:43] <jared> We don't want to outright deny it without discussion but we do feel an important part of membership is getting along with the community. And while such actions are still outstanding we feel we can't make a proper judgement until that is completed
[12:45] <AlbertoSN> Ok
[12:46] <jared> AlbertoSN: thank you for your understanding. We are more than happy to look at your application again as soon as that is resolved.
[12:48] <jared> AlbertoSN: do you have any questions for us?
[12:51] <AlbertoSN> Nope: thank you
[12:52] <jared> AlbertoSN: Thank you for your understanding. As we said, please do apply again when you feel ready and the issue with Bug Control is resolved.
[12:56] <AlbertoSN> Bai bai
[12:57] <AlbertoSN> Have a nice day
[12:57] <jared> Ok well I think that wraps it up for us this evening/morning
[12:57] <jared> Thanks to the board members who were around and thanks to the applicants
[13:39] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
[13:39] <meetingology> AlanBell: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
[13:39] <AlanBell> no it isn't :)
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[13:50] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
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[13:50] <AlanBell> +1 to that
[13:50] <meetingology> +1 to that received from AlanBell
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[13:50] <AlanBell> #topic something
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[13:51] <AlanBell> #startmeeting
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[13:51] <AlanBell> ok, seems happy now
[14:14] <hggdh> AlanBell: thank you sir
[14:19] <MooDoo> are you breaking things again AlanBell ?
[15:10] <AlanBell> MooDoo: things need breaking from time to time :)
[17:22] <MooDoo> hello all
[17:58] <Pici> I have a meatspace conference call I need to attend now too, so I'll be trying to multitask
[17:58] <MooDoo> I'm sure you'll cope Pici :)
[17:58] <Pici> and I'm eating lunch
[17:59] <MooDoo> now steady on there :)
[17:59] <MooDoo> I must admin I'm only here for 30 mins as I have to put kids to bed :D
[18:01] <optrusty> hi guys
[18:01] <MooDoo> hello optrusty
[18:01] <optrusty> you is the meeting starting
[18:02] <MooDoo> yeah should be in a min
[18:02] <MooDoo> I hope lol
[18:02] <AlanBell> hi
[18:02] <MooDoo> hello AlanBell
[18:02] <optrusty> hi Alam
[18:02] <optrusty> woops
[18:02] <AlanBell> #startmeeting IRC team meeting
[18:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 16 18:02:38 2014 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:02] <optrusty> sorry
[18:02] <AlanBell> hi all
[18:02] <MooDoo> good evening
[18:02] <optrusty> hi!
[18:02] <phunyguy> hi
[18:03] <AlanBell> so we have an agenda over here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[18:03] <AlanBell> if anyone has anything else to add at the end then feel free to PM me as and when the topic occurs to you
[18:03] <AlanBell> #topic Review last meetings action items
[18:04] <IdleOne> o/
[18:04] <MooDoo> apologies but i can only stay till 7:30 as the kids needs to be put to bed.
[18:04] <AlanBell> last meeting was here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/IRCC/20140319
[18:05] <Pici> We did the factoid cleanup.
[18:06] <AlanBell> one action was to follow up on reporting back to the community, which I think we clarified in the meeting, we can do responsive things via the tracker, otherwise monthly meetings or whatever is appropriate for the issues as they are raised
[18:06] <knome> and via the LP bugs.
[18:06] <Pici> Sort of related, we have a meeting with the CC tomorrow.
[18:06] <AlanBell> we did the factoid changes, we have a bit of cleanup still to do
[18:07] <AlanBell> I have been a bit unavailable for a few weeks with year end stuff
[18:08] <AlanBell> and yes, we have a meeting with the CC tomorrow, which is also release day
[18:08] <AlanBell> #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker
[18:08] <AlanBell> just checked, nothing in the tracker
[18:08] <Pici> Yay!
[18:08] <AlanBell> #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council
[18:08] <AlanBell> our one bug is bug 892501
[18:08] <AlanBell> how is unopaste doing?
[18:09] <Pici> 'okay'
[18:09] <Pici> Although, to be honest, I haven't seen a lot of paste offenders in recent memory.
[18:09] <AlanBell> need any tweaks? any false positives? is it sufficient?
[18:10] <phunyguy> there was one failure to quiet though.
[18:10] <AlanBell> need to be in other channels?
[18:10] <phunyguy> I would have to dig in logs to get the scenario.
[18:10] <phunyguy> But I think that was related to recent netsplits.
[18:11] <MooDoo> which have been fun :(
[18:12] <AlanBell> I am not sure if there are enough people here right now to get a wide range of opinions on it, I think we will leave the bug open for a bit longer
[18:13] <AlanBell> unopaste does so much less than the floodbots did, but I don't really know if there are any other priority functions to implement
[18:13] <Pici> lets see what the release tomorrow brings
[18:13] <IdleOne> the bot seems to be working pretty good as is.
[18:13] <AlanBell> Pici: good point
[18:14] <Pici> something about it was annoying me, but I forget what it was.
[18:14] <IdleOne> I don't think there is a rush to add features, whatever those features might be.
[18:14] <AlanBell> it failed to authenticate at some point in the splits
[18:15] <IdleOne> which is why it had failed to mute
[18:15] <phunyguy> ahh that may have caused the failure I mentioned.
[18:15] <phunyguy> yep.
[18:15] <AlanBell> oh, that would do it, yes
[18:15] <AlanBell> needs more admins, not just me
[18:15] <IdleOne> but that was one little hiccup
[18:15] <AlanBell> I will sort that out when I figure out how
[18:16] <AlanBell> ok, moving on
[18:16] <AlanBell> #topic factoid review review - did it work, should anything be reversed?
[18:16] <AlanBell> we had a major cull of factoids, have they been missed?
[18:16] <IdleOne> nothing I noticed
[18:16] <AlanBell> did the change make a positive difference anywhere?
[18:17] <knome> at least not a negative.
[18:17] <phunyguy> I think it was a good thing.
[18:18] <AlanBell> good to know :)
[18:19] <AlanBell> ikonia raised some concerns about factoids that link to non-maintained sources like blogs rather than the wiki, that would be a good thing to clean up over time
[18:20] <AlanBell> I might try and figure out which factoids contain links
[18:20] <AlanBell> actually http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=http  kinda does it
[18:21] <AlanBell> stuff like
[18:21] <AlanBell> !sudo
[18:22] <AlanBell> with a link to good information at psychocats.net would be better linking to good information at wiki.ubuntu.com
[18:22] <phunyguy> that sounds like something I can do.
[18:22] <phunyguy> the wiki part anyway
[18:22] <AlanBell> ok, so in general the factoid cleanup has not lead to the end of the world as we know it, and might be a good thing
[18:23] <AlanBell> that would be great phunyguy :)
[18:23] <IdleOne> We tried this a couple years back. If the info on psychocats for example is good, why copy it?
[18:23] <AlanBell> there might be other things with dead links
[18:23] <AlanBell> or outdated information
[18:24] <elfy> fyi /me is pretty sure that aysiu is not doing much in the way of maintaining psychocats
[18:24] <Pici> Then maybe we should just check for dead/outdated information
[18:25] <IdleOne> making sure the info we link to is good, is good.
[18:25] <Pici> good
[18:25] <Pici> I mean agreed.
[18:26] <IdleOne> :)
[18:26] <AlanBell> #action review factoids for links to unmaintained or outdated information, prefering links to official sources
[18:26] <meetingology> ACTION: review factoids for links to unmaintained or outdated information, prefering links to official sources
[18:27] <AlanBell> #topic Call for Operators
[18:27] <AlanBell> ok, so we did a call for operators, which we do roughly in line with the development cycle to be part of the cadence of the project as a whole
[18:28] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2014-April/001692.html
[18:28] <knome> may i notice also #ubuntu-doc could do well with one more (active) operator in the doc team.
[18:29] <AlanBell> there are a number of applicants that we have been looking at, we have received feedback from a number of people, which is given confidentially, we are open to any further feedback, we also looked at things like the lines of text said in the various channels and launchpad karma (neither of which is an overriding factor)
[18:29] <Pici> knome: thats not a core channel, so they can just ask us if they need to add another person onto the access list there.
[18:29] <knome> Pici, then consider me just asked :)
[18:30] <AlanBell> now we need to decide, if we have enough IRCC here at the moment
[18:30] <Pici> knome: Well, you'd have to give us the account of the person you want us to add too.
[18:30] <knome> Pici, you can add me
[18:30] <knome> AlanBell, PM is okay?
[18:30] <AlanBell> hggdh: Tm_T: here?
[18:31] <AlanBell> knome: yeah, fine or #ubuntu-irc-council
[18:31] <IdleOne> Pici: feel free to add me there also. I'm in that channel anyway I can easily keep an eye on it too
[18:31] <AlanBell> where I should be
[18:32] <Pici> IdleOne: knome: done and done
[18:32]  * IdleOne ^5's knome 
[18:32] <IdleOne> we're op buddies now!
[18:32] <IdleOne> :P
[18:32] <AlanBell> get a room
[18:32] <IdleOne> k
[18:32] <phunyguy> :(
[18:32] <knome> IdleOne, lol
[18:32] <knome> Pici, thanks
[18:32] <Pici> np
[18:34] <Pici> hmm
[18:34] <MooDoo> ok guys i know this is the important bit that i wanted to be here for, but it's late and I need to get the kids to bed....apologies all around :(
[18:34] <AlanBell> I think we will decide on them later, as soon as possible when all 4 of the IRCC are about, we will communicate the results to the applicants and the list
[18:34] <AlanBell> but any further feedback now would be great
[18:35] <Pici> Agreed.  We will communicate internally, place our votes, and then communicate the results
[18:35] <AlanBell> ok, there are no membership applications so any other business really
[18:35] <AlanBell> #topic Any Other Business
[18:36] <Pici> sorry potential ops... we'll try to get this finished up as soon as we can.
[18:36] <AlanBell> yeah, hopefully later today or tomorrow, no need for any further delay on that
[18:36] <phunyguy> :(
[18:36] <Pici> agreed
[18:36] <Tm_T> hi, sorry I don't have capability until tomorrow
[18:37] <AlanBell> tomorrow we have a meeting with the Community Council, is there anything particular we should raise with them?
[18:38] <Pici> Compliments on their choice of timing?
[18:38] <AlanBell> a very happy 14.04 to all
[18:39] <Pici> :)
[18:39] <phunyguy> ditto.
[18:40] <IdleOne> thanks and same to you.
[18:41] <optrusty> :D
[18:41] <AlanBell> speaking of 14.04, it is release day tomorrow, we have a few things that causes in terms of factoid changes I believe
[18:41] <AlanBell> we don't have a name for 14.10 yet do we?
[18:42] <IdleOne> not that I know of
[18:42] <IdleOne> !14.10
[18:42] <IdleOne> nope
[18:42] <phunyguy> Unicorn!
[18:42] <AlanBell> Universal Unicorn
[18:43] <IdleOne> 14.10 Ubuntu Ubuntu (So nice we said it twice)
[18:43] <Pici> AlanBell: We should probably figure out how to get the config values on ubottu changed before then
[18:43] <Pici> since we always have to bug ts1mpson about it
[18:43] <IdleOne> I think you can bug unit193 about it too. he should know
[18:44] <IdleOne> hopefully one of you has enough access to make the changes
[18:46] <AlanBell> ok, any other items around release, or any other things to discuss?
[18:46] <AlanBell> guess that means another UDS coming up as well
[18:47] <IdleOne> yippee, another UDS that is not really accessible to most users
[18:48] <AlanBell> there was a 14.03 UDS, next one would be 14.06 perhaps
[18:50] <AlanBell> next meeting will be . . . 21st May, same time
[18:50] <AlanBell> in the absence of anything else, lets wrap this one up . . . .
[18:50] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[18:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 16 18:50:47 2014 UTC.
[18:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-04-16-18.02.moin.txt
[18:50] <IdleOne> thank you for the meeting
[18:50] <AlanBell> thanks all
[18:51] <AlanBell> we will sort out the ops applicants real soon
[18:51] <optrusty> bye
[18:57] <hggdh> darn!
[21:18]  * genii makes coffee