[05:03] <inetpro> good morning 
[05:27] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  not_found  and others
[05:27] <Kilos> hehe
[05:33] <nlsthzn> morning
[05:39] <Kilos> hi Spekko  
[05:39] <Spekko> more Kilos
[05:40] <Kilos> hi jabberwocky93  
[05:40] <Kilos> way se julle vandag
[05:55] <jabberwocky93> more Kilos
[05:57] <jabberwocky93> ek het gister my eerste projek in flash begin by die werk, nie baie entosiasties nie
[05:58] <Kilos> ai!
[05:58] <Kilos> ek is bly daai goed is als verby my
[06:02] <nuvolari> flash? soos in kamera in die studio?
[06:02] <jabberwocky93> soms is daar goed wat mens moet doen wat nie lekker is nie, maar mens kan altyd vir mense gaan werk wat 'n beter passie het vir kwaliteit produkte
[06:02] <jabberwocky93> flash flash
[06:02] <jabberwocky93> daai ding wat dood is
[06:04] <jabberwocky93> my studies gaan darem goed, ekt 'n onderskeiding gekry vir Maandag aand se toets. moes 23:00 tot 02:30 skrywe :O
[06:04] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  
[06:05] <Kilos> mooi man. goed gedaan
[06:06] <Kilos> sjoe jabberwocky93  waar is jy dat jy in die middel van die nag toets skryf
[06:07] <jabberwocky93> dankie, toets is online en geskik vir mense in die EST tyd gebied
[06:07] <Kilos> ah
[06:08] <jabberwocky93> eerste keer wat ek vir 2 dae lank skrywe ^_^
[06:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:09] <Kilos> waar is hulle dan dat hulle est tyd gebruik
[06:11] <jabberwocky93> hulle sit in New York
[06:11] <Kilos> ah
[06:16] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[06:17] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[06:18] <magespawn> got the phone system transferred over this morning with no hassles 
[06:21] <Kilos> well done
[06:21] <Kilos> hi bduk  
[06:23] <magespawn> just followed the instructions really
[06:23] <Kilos> haha i can even mess that up
[06:24] <Kilos> instructions are never in a language i understand
[06:26] <Squirm> morning
[06:27] <Kilos> hi Squirm  superfly  
[06:27] <bduk> More everyone
[06:27] <superfly> morning all
[06:46] <jabberwocky93> o/
[07:08] <Kilos> nuvolari  wat doen jy?
[07:08] <Kilos> i wanna read .class files on buntu
[07:10] <Kilos> does it have to be decompiled or something first
[07:11] <Kilos> its a zulu-english dictionary
[07:11] <Kilos> inetpro  waar jy man
[07:15]  * inetpro is always here
[07:15] <inetpro> good mornings Kilos
[07:16] <Kilos> hi sir. how do i do that
[07:16] <Kilos> cant learn compiling decompiling stuff to find a translation for one word
[07:16] <Kilos> makawe
[07:16] <Kilos> daai lekker goed
[07:17] <Kilos> not sure of the spelling
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Golynx  you speak zulu?
[07:17] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[07:17] <Golynx> nope why
[07:18] <Kilos> haha i downloaded a zulu-english dictionary but its in java .class files and i dunno how to read them
[07:18] <Kilos> grrr
[07:19] <Golynx> hmm, the .class files should be packaged inside a .jar file to be usefull
[07:19] <Kilos> they are
[07:20] <Kilos> i extracted them and filled my desktop with piles of stuff
[07:20] <Kilos> eish
[07:20] <nlsthzn> >.<
[07:20] <Kilos> hi neelsie
[07:20] <Golynx> i do this   /home/path/to/file/java -jar file.jar 
[07:21] <Kilos> ended up with A to Z.class
[07:21] <Golynx> hi nlsthzn
[07:21] <Golynx> oh 
[07:22] <Golynx> you dont have to extract them
[07:22] <Kilos> couldnt find a download in pdf
[07:22] <Golynx> just run the .jar
[07:22] <Kilos> oh
[07:23] <Kilos> will that make a readable book?
[07:23] <Golynx> ubuntu have java runtime installed , you can try cd /home/path/to/file/java -jar file.jar
[07:24] <Golynx> but i think you need to run a java program that will open that specific program 
[07:25] <Kilos> thats why i shouted for nuvolari  he is our java man
[07:25] <Golynx> like in the browser
[07:25] <Kilos> oh my
[07:26] <Kilos> openjdk is java runtime
[07:26] <Golynx> ya
[07:26] <Kilos> maybe i gotta find something in open with
[07:28] <Kilos> The file '/home/miles/Desktop/Dictionary/a.class' is not marked as executable.
[07:28] <Golynx> if its an applet it will run in the browser if java is enabled there. If not then you need a specific java program to read your .jar
[07:28] <Kilos> ai!
[07:28] <bmg505> hello
[07:28] <Kilos> hi bmg505  long time no hear
[07:28] <Golynx> Kilos .class is just compiled source code
[07:28] <Kilos> i can try open with my browser ya
[07:29] <bmg505> been busy
[07:29] <Golynx> you have to run the full .jar
[07:29] <Kilos> you well bmg505  ?
[07:29] <Golynx> hi bmg505
[07:29] <bmg505> yea kind of
[07:30] <Kilos> i go take sheep out now. wbb
[07:30] <bmg505> wish I could make mony as fast as time is running
[07:30] <bmg505> *money
[07:30] <Kilos> haha bmg505  everyone wishes that
[07:30] <bmg505> damn
[07:31] <bmg505> have to upgrade this box, its an old slackware 9
[07:31] <bmg505> going to replace it with a raspberry, now that is progress
[07:35] <Kilos> hehe
[07:35]  * jabberwocky93 can't wait to start using wayland on my raspberry
[07:35] <magespawn> gotto go see you all later
[07:37]  * Golynx dont see the point of raspberry pi
[07:41] <Kilos> Golynx  ~/Desktop/java -jar englishzul_tnyvaxpm.jar
[07:41] <Kilos> no such file
[07:42] <Kilos>    /home/miles/Desktop/java: No such file or directory
[07:42] <Kilos> something wrong with that command
[07:44] <Golynx> Kilos sorry java -jar /home/miles/Desktop/java -jar englishzul_tnyvaxpm.jar
[07:44] <Kilos> lemme try
[07:45] <Golynx> Kilos sorry java -jar /home/miles/Desktop/englishzul_tnyvaxpm.jar
[07:45] <Golynx> the second one
[07:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:46] <Kilos> Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from
[07:47] <Golynx> it needs a java program to run it
[07:48] <Kilos> eish
[07:48] <Golynx> like i use java -jar /home/gerrit/Desktop/microemulator/microemulator.jar  to run operamini.jar on the pc
[07:48] <Kilos> whew you learned lots hey
[07:49] <Kilos> im glad i spent the time arguing with you
[07:49] <Golynx> lol, only the important bits 
[07:49] <Golynx> hehe
[07:50] <Golynx> you may have a java applet there that may work in the browser, but i never used browser applets before
[07:51] <Kilos> im trying to open it with openjdk java 6 runtime
[07:52] <Kilos> just gotta find a way to make it executable
[07:52] <Golynx> where did you get that file
[07:53] <Kilos> http://gallery.mobile9.com/f/2245389/
[07:53] <Golynx> so its a mobile .jar
[07:54] <Kilos> i remember my nokia reads .jar files from gutenburg
[07:54] <Kilos> but i dont wanna try a whole dictionary on the poor old fone
[07:54] <Golynx> then you do the same as i do with the microemulator
[07:54] <Kilos> must be a way to read it here
[07:54] <Golynx> that will open the j2me 
[07:55] <Kilos> ok tell how
[07:55] <Squirm> does anyone here work for Wesbank?
[07:55] <Kilos> i like it when its just an app needs installing
[07:57] <Golynx> ok let me find the emulator
[07:58] <Golynx> http://sourceforge.net/projects/microemulator/
[07:58] <Kilos> ty
[07:58] <Golynx> np
[08:00] <Kilos> eish these adds
[08:00] <Golynx> unzip it to you desktop. Then do java -jar /home/gerrit/Desktop/microemulator/microemulator.jar
[08:00] <Kilos> you might be running low on diskspace
[08:00] <Kilos> will do
[08:02] <Golynx> it will open a window that looks as a phone. From the File menu you can open your .jar . I always put all my mobile app jars in the /home folder, its easier for the emulator to find it there
[08:03] <jrgns> morning @all
[08:03] <Kilos> hi jrgns  
[08:03] <jrgns> morning Kilos, fast finger on the button!
[08:03] <Kilos> hmm... tells me there is no gerrit here
[08:03] <Golynx> hi jrgns
[08:03] <Kilos> i hear a pling sound when peeps join
[08:03] <Golynx> lol
[08:04] <Kilos> haha
[08:04] <jrgns> Kilos, can I play a tune on your pc if i log out and in the whole time?
[08:04] <charl_> good morning
[08:04] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:05]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:05] <charl_> hi jrgns 
[08:05] <Kilos> hi charl_  
[08:05] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[08:05] <charl_> how's it going with the flu
[08:05] <Kilos> i only have sound on logins and messages
[08:05] <Golynx> hi charl_
[08:05] <Kilos> seems a bit better today ty charl_  
[08:06] <jrgns> hi charl_
[08:07] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[08:07] <charl_> Golynx: how's it going with your neck
[08:08] <Golynx> charl_ its back to normal since Sunday thanks :)
[08:08] <charl_> Golynx: great :)
[08:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[08:09] <Kilos> hmm... that emulator thing dont show as a .jar when unzipped
[08:09] <Golynx> i'm usually a fast healer hehe
[08:09] <Kilos> java -jar /home/miles/Desktop/microemulator/microemulator-2.0.4\
[08:09] <Kilos> no backspace
[08:09] <Golynx> Kilos its in the folder
[08:10] <Kilos> oh
[08:10] <Golynx> java -jar /home/miles/Desktop/microemulator-2.0.4/microemulator.jar
[08:11] <Golynx> i just gave example of mine
[08:11] <Kilos> it opened half off the screen to the left and wont drag 
[08:11] <Kilos> ai!
[08:12] <Golynx> what do you see
[08:13] <Kilos> roemulator and a green button and like a fones keypad under it
[08:14] <Kilos> and tions and help in the bar above
[08:14] <Kilos> hehe
[08:14] <Golynx> you can in the Options menu do >>Select Device >> Resizable device
[08:14] <Golynx> i dont like the default with keys and all
[08:16] <Kilos> then a tiny window with launcher and no midgets 
[08:17] <Golynx> is that in Installed devices
[08:17] <Kilos> midlets
[08:18] <Kilos> its in the second window after choosing resize device
[08:19] <Kilos> i gotta choose one of them for it to go on
[08:19] <Kilos> but dunno what middlets are
[08:19] <Golynx> from  File >> Open MIDlet File  you can open your jar . Make sure its in the your username folder
[08:19] <Golynx> or /home folder
[08:20] <Kilos> so i must choose launcher then
[08:20] <Kilos> this is in the process of resizing the thing i think
[08:21] <Kilos> cant go look other places when its still setting up?
[08:21] <Golynx> oh ya you can resize the window any size you want
[08:21] <Vince-0> o/
[08:22] <Golynx> what do you mean look other places
[08:22] <Golynx> \o
[08:22] <Kilos> i gotta choose between launcher and no midlets
[08:22] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  
[08:23] <Golynx> i dont know where your at now Kilos
[08:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:23] <Golynx> i dont know about the launcher
[08:23] <Golynx> did you do File >> Open MIDlet File 
[08:23] <Kilos> Options menu do >>Select Device >> Resizable device
[08:23] <Kilos> that went to this tiny window with 2 choices
[08:24] <Kilos> no thats in the folder not with this setup window
[08:24] <Golynx> its should say buttons with (Add...) (Remove)  (Set as default)
[08:25] <Kilos> wait
[08:25] <Golynx> then from the selected option choose (set as default)
[08:26] <Kilos> i see a tiny window with only launcher or no midlets to choose from for the next step
[08:26] <Golynx> between launcher and no midlets , as an option the emulator only works with midlets, so the answer will be launcher
[08:27] <Kilos> i gotta choose one to go to the next step
[08:28] <Kilos> i couldnt change them anyway it had no midlets lit up then it went to a window with sizes in
[08:28] <Kilos> width and height
[08:29] <Kilos> 431 and 216
[08:29] <Golynx> ya choose any size you want , i usually grab the sides of the window, but you can put in 500 width and 600 height
[08:30] <Kilos> eish
[08:31] <Kilos> it made the same window just larger
[08:31] <Golynx> yes thats good
[08:31] <Kilos> i can also maximise it
[08:32] <Kilos> but need to go past this now
[08:32] <Golynx> now you can do File >> Open MIDlet File
[08:32] <Kilos> in a terminal
[08:32] <Golynx> no in the emulator File menu
[08:33] <Kilos> the terminal that opened it is still showing  as busy
[08:33] <Kilos> no file menu to be seen
[08:33] <Golynx> yes dont close the terminal, the emulator runs from it
[08:34] <Kilos> so another terminal then
[08:34] <Golynx> its next to OPtions
[08:34] <Kilos> no options
[08:34] <Golynx> File Options Help
[08:35] <Kilos> where is that
[08:35] <Golynx> ok try restarting the emulator
[08:35] <Kilos> i just see a fone now
[08:35] <Kilos> i did
[08:36] <theblazehen> hey all
[08:36] <Kilos> click on the start button and it flashes but does nothing
[08:36] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[08:37] <Golynx> if you see a phone then do Options >>Select Device >> Resizable device  and choose Set as defaut
[08:37] <Golynx> lt
[08:37] <theblazehen> Golynx: android emulator?
[08:37] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[08:37] <theblazehen> hi Golynx 
[08:37] <Golynx> theblazehen: j2me emulator
[08:38] <Kilos> no options anymore
[08:38] <Kilos> sigh
[08:38] <Golynx> Kilos: the file menu has to be there at the top of the emulator menu
[08:39] <Kilos> nope
[08:39] <Kilos> ah hold on
[08:40] <Kilos> right click on fone show the menu
[08:40] <Golynx> like this http://picpaste.com/12-bSpDDJ9a.png
[08:41] <Kilos> i dont see that
[08:42] <Kilos> kakka thing this
[08:42] <Golynx> does the right click show the menu
[08:43] <Kilos> options shows only minimise maximise move to other workspace always on top and close
[08:43] <Kilos> grrr
[08:44] <Squirm> hmm, I just found an Android IRC server
[08:44] <Golynx> hmm set the phone as default again then do Options >>Select Device >> Resizable device and choose Set as defaut
[08:45] <Golynx> hmm set the phone as default again then do Options >>Select Device >> Default device and choose Set as defaut
[08:49] <Kilos> cant do anything with it
[08:49] <Kilos> found a readme file in the folder
[08:49] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20hkIdlA9
[08:51] <Golynx> i set up mine the same as you did now. It works without having to do whats in the readme
[08:52] <Golynx> the emulator runs in any java runtime 6 and 7
[08:53] <Golynx> you were able to use the Options menu when you started right
[08:59] <Kilos> ya but now options dont show anymore
[09:00] <Golynx> close the emulator window and the terminal and try starting that way again
[09:00] <Kilos> these emulator things never work for me
[09:01] <Kilos> ive closed it twice already and restarted
[09:01] <Kilos> maybe it wants me to reboot
[09:01] <Kilos> grrr
[09:01] <Golynx> what do you see
[09:02] <Golynx> Kilos dont unity show the file menu's at the top of the screen rather than the app window
[09:02] <Kilos> the same fone thing with no options
[09:02] <Kilos> ya normally
[09:03] <Golynx> can you take a screen shot http://picpaste.com/
[09:03] <Kilos> restarted from new terminal shows same fone with no options
[09:03] <Kilos> ok sec
[09:06] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/18-XiHceeSO.png
[09:07] <Golynx> i can see the  File  Options Help  menu, its grey color
[09:08] <Kilos> oh my
[09:09] <Kilos> where do you see that
[09:09] <Golynx> choose  File >> Open MIDlet File  then from the file menu you can open you .jar
[09:10] <Kilos> i dont see it at all
[09:10] <Golynx> above the phone it grey text
[09:11] <Kilos> oo yay its in the black here just above the grey fone rim
[09:11] <Golynx> ya kind hard to see
[09:12] <Kilos> whew
[09:13] <Kilos> eek that not a book
[09:14] <Golynx> did it open
[09:17] <Kilos> it says the file is empty but if i go properties there is 4.7k
[09:18] <Kilos> grr4
[09:19] <Golynx> what kind of dictionary is 4.7kb ?
[09:19] <Golynx> thats probably not the full app
[09:22] <Golynx> can you mail it to me
[09:23] <Golynx> hi tinuva 
[09:25] <Golynx> Kilos http://gallery.mobile9.com/f/2245389/ says the file is 92kb
[09:26] <Kilos> ai!
[09:26] <Kilos> ty for your help Golynx  lemme play with it a while or try find a pdf to download
[09:26] <Kilos> need a rest now
[09:28] <Kilos> bad or wrong download looks like
[09:29] <Golynx> Kilos : its not woking by my emulator either. It needs messaging modules and some extra modules that the emulator dont have , so it puts out errors
[09:29] <Golynx> i guess you need a real phone to make it work
[09:29] <Kilos> ah ty
[09:29] <Kilos> lemme try it on the fone
[09:39] <Kilos> it opens on the fone
[09:40] <Kilos> but its a poor dictionary . only major used words shown
[09:40] <Kilos> grrrr
[09:40] <Kilos> sorry for wasting your time Golynx  
[09:41] <Golynx> thats what you get from a 92kb dictionary
[09:41] <Kilos> hehe
[09:41] <Kilos> i give up on it for now
[09:41] <Golynx> nah its fine no worries :)
[09:41] <Kilos> will ask the pro when he has time
[10:49] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[10:50] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[10:55] <nuvolari> eh oom Kilos?
[10:55] <nuvolari> waai ding is dit?
[10:55] <nuvolari> class files is bytecode
[10:56] <nuvolari> dit kan nie so lekker net so gelees word nie
[10:56] <nuvolari> ek reken oom moet dit run om dit gebruik
[11:37] <Kilos> dankie nuvolari  my nokia maak dit oop so als goed
[12:48] <Kilos> hi Rynofear  
[13:37] <betabertus8899> hey guys 
[13:37] <superfly> hi betabertus8899
[13:39] <Golynx> hi betabertus8899 & supperfly
[13:39] <Golynx> superfly*
[13:39] <betabertus8899> anything new today?
[13:39] <Kilos> hi betabertus8899  
[13:39] <betabertus8899> cannot wait for tomorrow with the 14.04 LTS release
[13:40] <Kilos> lol
[13:40] <Kilos> you got the bug
[13:40] <betabertus8899> will be good
[13:40] <betabertus8899> yes
[13:40] <Kilos> thats a good sign
[13:40] <betabertus8899> still could not get the graphics drivers to work
[13:40] <betabertus8899> keeps only using the intel one
[13:40] <Kilos> yoy could end up living with linux forever
[13:40] <betabertus8899> but its ok
[13:41] <betabertus8899> yes i enjoy it much more
[13:41] <Kilos> you might have to open nvidia settings and activate it
[13:41] <betabertus8899> i have all 3 big os running in my house now and ubuntu the most enjoyable
[13:41] <Kilos> always
[13:41] <Kilos> what 3?
[13:41] <betabertus8899> i even have a steam os, that very bad
[13:41] <Kilos> win ubuntu and ?
[13:42] <betabertus8899> mas osX
[13:42] <betabertus8899> mac
[13:42] <Kilos> ah you got one of them
[13:42] <betabertus8899> apple
[13:42] <betabertus8899> yea
[13:42] <Kilos> the fly got one too
[13:42] <betabertus8899> macbook air
[13:42] <betabertus8899> its not bad
[13:42] <Kilos> and he gonna fix it
[13:43] <Kilos> he does a bilble thing called openlp i think it was now he gotta make it work on macs
[13:43] <Kilos> bible
[13:44] <Kilos> imo nothing beats ubuntu
[13:45] <Kilos> when you got time and are bored you can get kubuntu
[13:45] <Kilos> very different but very lekker too
[13:46] <Kilos> my son went straight from windows to kde
[13:46] <Kilos> he dont like unity
[13:49] <Golynx> in November 1985 Bill Gates advised Apple to license their software but they ignored the advice, being more interested in selling computers. Mac wouldv'e been the major player today if they listened to him then.
[13:50] <nlsthzn> er...
[13:53] <Golynx> nlsthzn: i saw apple and macbook air. So i added a few coins.
[13:54] <nlsthzn> Mac wouldv'e been the major player today if they listened to him then.  <- >.<
[13:54] <Kilos> hehe
[13:55] <Kilos> bbnn
[13:56] <Golynx> i meant mac OS X
[13:59] <nlsthzn> the one thing they have going for them is the fact that their software only has to work on a small subset of hardware...
[14:03] <Golynx> yeah, atleast Apple can be happy about the ipad/iphone/ipod/iwatch/i.... etc , that MS will never be able to do
[14:05] <nlsthzn> apple owning ms at the moment
[14:08] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:08] <Kilos> spent the day on 12.04 now 14.04 forgot what the dlink is again
[14:08] <Kilos> sigh
[14:09] <Golynx> yeah MS is loosing alot of ground. They were too late to take advantage of mobile space
[14:10] <Golynx> Kilos is 14.04 better than 12.04
[14:10] <Kilos> i think so yes. only this dlink modem gives probs on both and i have it sorted fine on 12.04 but 14.04 still battles some
[14:11] <Kilos> stupid modem not buntu im sure
[14:11] <Golynx> in terms of system performance, it should be more efficient
[14:11] <betabertus8899> see apple software only work on their products
[14:12] <Kilos> it is quicker with most things
[14:12] <Kilos> luckily sakis3g works
[14:12] <betabertus8899> the open source os like ubuntu that will work on tablets, phone, desktop, laptop wil destry them now
[14:12] <betabertus8899> the three mayor players are all competing cross platform now
[14:13] <betabertus8899> all android phones and tables will be able to run ubuntu very soon
[14:13] <betabertus8899> ubuntu thus now directly competes with not only windows and osx but also with andriod
[14:14] <betabertus8899> let the war begin!
[14:14] <betabertus8899> ubuntu has the ulimate edge! all their software is free1
[14:14] <betabertus8899> FREE
[14:14] <betabertus8899> and there is nothing millions of people like more than free stuff that actually works!
[14:15] <nlsthzn> you are very optimistic... I will wait and see
[14:15] <Kilos> lol
[14:15] <betabertus8899> yep
[14:15] <Kilos> taking long though
[14:16] <betabertus8899> well if you go on the ubuntu website now they already have tablet and smartphones runnig their software
[14:17] <betabertus8899> if ubuntu can create an amazing gaming experience to compete with steam/valve they will own the world 
[14:17] <betabertus8899> then they should start to produce ubuntu hardware....
[14:18] <betabertus8899> anyway you can see where im going... total world domination by linux
[14:18] <betabertus8899> they already own the servers worldwide
[14:18] <superfly> steam originally wanted to use Ubuntu, but because of some licensing issues, they went with Debian instead
[14:18] <betabertus8899> yep
[14:19] <betabertus8899> that was such a huge mistake
[14:19] <Kilos> someone said something about ubuntu hardware the other day
[14:20] <nuvolari> Maaz: is allthingsjabu.co.za up?
[14:20] <betabertus8899> yea ubuntu hardware will be the logical next step
[14:20] <Maaz> nuvolari: No, http://allthingsjabu.co.za/ is down (Server is not responding)
[14:21] <betabertus8899> if they develop ubuntu buisness packages to compete with mac and ubuntu hardware to compete with the windows oem groups they will absolutely dominate
[14:22] <betabertus8899> imagine if you had an amazing gaming laptop (like windows machines) but you could sync it with all your devices... and use at work (server compatibility) and all the software was free
[14:22] <betabertus8899> that would be amazing!
[14:23] <nlsthzn> is that free as in speech or free as in beer?
[14:23] <Kilos> haha
[14:23] <betabertus8899> haha
[14:23] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:24] <betabertus8899> free - you don't pay with money
[14:25] <Golynx> betabertus8899: still the stigma of most windows users is, linux is complicated to use/install and only for geeks. So that has to change with time.
[14:25] <betabertus8899> you just buy the hardware and the community develops software, assisted by corporate support. just like you don't pay to search something on google, but google delivers the best results
[14:25] <nlsthzn> that isn't what free software is about... it is about freedom to own and do stuff with your software, it is per chance that most of it is available for free as in cost...
[14:26] <betabertus8899> yes i agree! the freedom to do with the software what you want
[14:26] <betabertus8899> the money is only a very small part of it
[14:26] <nlsthzn> dunno about that, software devs also like to eat
[14:27] <betabertus8899> anyway, hopefully with the death of windows xp millions will pay microsoft bags and bags of money for windows 7 and 8 .... like idiots
[14:27] <betabertus8899> especially huge companies...
[14:28] <nlsthzn> even worse... many companies are paying ms to extend support for XP, so they are getting money for it all over again
[14:33] <Kilos> have billy boy got kids and gramdkids?
[14:33] <Kilos> grandkids
[14:33] <betabertus8899> see its not that i hate ms... i just hate the idiots who keep paying them
[14:35]  * nlsthzn is an idiot that keeps paying them
[14:35] <nlsthzn> sorry to hear you hate me...
[14:36] <nlsthzn> can't say I even know you that well yet...
[14:36] <nlsthzn> oh well
[14:36]  * nlsthzn is off home now
[14:36] <Kilos> the whole world has to change
[14:36] <Kilos> just if you fiddle with modems, the best tools are for xp
[14:37] <Kilos> so its all them peeps that need to go linux as well
[14:40] <Kilos> ubuntu will get to the top but still gonna take many years
[14:40] <betabertus8899> i don't hate you bro.... just don't keep paying for some old dated tech. I also use windows to a point they have developed great software but the alternatives are really worth exploring now
[14:40] <Kilos> most peeps want to install an OS and use it for years, not keep updating/upgrading to new releases all the time
[14:41] <betabertus8899> thats why we have LTS
[14:41] <Kilos> think of the ordinary person with minimal pc skills
[14:42] <Kilos> 3 years isnt long. it flies past wuick
[14:42] <Kilos> peeps want an os like xp that goes forever if you can afford the IT guy to keep fixing it for you
[14:42] <betabertus8899> this is a issue linux in general should look at very soon, i agree
[14:43] <betabertus8899> and linux gaming please...
[14:43] <Kilos> lol
[14:43] <betabertus8899> and 4k media development
[14:43] <Kilos> yeah weird theyve left gaming for last
[14:43] <Kilos> i dunno what that is'
[14:44] <Golynx> betabertus8899: that should be WIP
[14:44] <betabertus8899> just produce 4k gaming that can only run on linux software... the rich and powerful will switch and the masses will follow
[14:44] <Golynx> these things takes time
[14:45] <betabertus8899> yes hopefully in the next 5 years we will all run linux in the living room, not xbox and sony ps
[14:45] <Kilos> lol
[14:46] <Kilos> im gonna do a backup restore onto 14.04 here so if i disappear something disagreed
[14:46] <betabertus8899> the developers of open source will have an amazing opportunity, just like the smartphone android market exploded in the last few years 
[14:46] <betabertus8899> haha ok
[14:47] <betabertus8899> anyone here share my positive view of linux for the future?
[14:48] <Golynx> OUYA got a good future
[14:48] <Kilos> i installed 14.04 onto 12.04 kubuntu and kept the /home folder intact and now a 12.04 unity backup to the top of it
[14:48] <Kilos> shame
[14:49] <Kilos> betabertus8899, you just install without making partitions?
[14:58] <betabertus8899> lol no i have many partitions
[14:58] <betabertus8899> one for lubuntu, one for ubuntu, one for windows, and one for osx 
[14:59] <Kilos> no man i mean inside ubuntu
[14:59] <betabertus8899> 2 x 1TB drives with 4 os 
[14:59] <betabertus8899> no you use 3 for ubuntu
[14:59] <Kilos> with a separate /home you can install again and keep all settings etc as is
[14:59] <betabertus8899> the first boot/ usually about 500mb
[15:00] <betabertus8899> and swap for memory
[15:00] <Kilos> read up on that but ubuntu has a great backup tool called dejadup
[15:00] <betabertus8899> and the / drive for ubuntu space
[15:01] <betabertus8899> i do not have seperate partition for home
[15:01] <betabertus8899> i just backup personal setting to dropbox or external hdd
[15:01] <Kilos> i got into the habit of making separate / /boot /home /storage partitions and still do it
[15:01] <betabertus8899> i try to keep it simple
[15:02] <betabertus8899> does it work well?
[15:02] <betabertus8899> i have never tried it
[15:02] <betabertus8899> so how many do you make then?
[15:02] <Kilos> ya ubuntu makes its own partitions but with /home you can reinstall and it remembers everything even desktop icons  and files
[15:03] <Kilos> you do it when installing and choose advanced option
[15:03] <Kilos> its not necessary but makes things easier for me
[15:04] <betabertus8899> ok will try for sure tomorrow with 14.04 lts
[15:04] <Kilos> lol
[15:05] <Kilos> and on /storage i keep my backup folder and lots of other stuff like archives and pics etc
[15:06] <Kilos> with uncapped things arent so serious, you just download again. with limitted data you save everything you can
[15:09] <Kilos> wbb
[15:10] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:10] <Kilos> inetpro, dit hael bietjie
[15:14] <betabertus8899> ok
[15:19] <betabertus8899> running 14.04 kilos?
[15:19] <Kilos> yes
[15:19] <Kilos> and after a reboot it now sees my dlink again
[15:20] <betabertus8899> ok cool 
[15:20] <Kilos> sakis seems to switch it and then ubuntu sees it after a reboot
[15:20] <Kilos> im not sure whether i bought a dud modem or all the dwm-156 modems are gonna be a prob
[15:21] <Kilos> but they lekker fast
[15:21] <Kilos> get up to 1mB/s at times
[15:21] <Kilos> 3.75g modem
[15:25] <Kilos> i find only synaptic is much slower
[15:26] <Kilos> betabertus8899, you went to lubuntu why?
[15:34] <betabertus8899> its really light and fast
[15:34] <Kilos> oh not for any other reason
[15:34] <betabertus8899> but running standard ubuntu 13.10 x64 now
[15:34] <Kilos> not slow pc or something
[15:35] <betabertus8899> no
[15:35] <Kilos> unity?
[15:35] <Kilos> unity should be fast on that lappy
[15:35] <Kilos> 8r ram quad core
[15:35] <Kilos> must fly
[15:35] <Kilos> 8g ram
[15:42] <betabertus8899> yes it does man
[15:43] <theblazehen> betabertus8899: you know what flies even more? AwesomeWM
[16:05] <betabertus8899> ok will try 
[16:05] <betabertus8899> what is this? wm?
[16:05] <betabertus8899> virtual machine?
[16:09] <Kilos> http://awesome.naquadah.org/
[16:10] <Kilos> kmaybe this is better
[16:10] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_(window_manager)
[16:11] <betabertus8899> what is the function of this?
[16:11] <Kilos> ?
[16:12] <betabertus8899> what do you use a window manger for?
[16:12] <Kilos> lol to manage windows
[16:12] <Kilos> sorry
[16:12] <Kilos> i dunno
[16:12] <Kilos> theblazehen, tell us man
[16:14] <Kilos> does it just handle individual windows or replace your gui
[16:15] <Golynx> Kilos is Nautilus better in 14.04
[16:15] <Kilos> ive never had probs with nautilus
[16:15] <Kilos> only thing thats slower so far is synaptic
[16:16] <Kilos> but that might still change with official release
[16:16] <Golynx> i had some issues with it, but mostly performance. Had to use Thunar instead
[16:16] <Kilos> oh but you on xubuntu
[16:17] <Golynx> ya i got it in Xfce as default , used it in Unity too
[16:17] <Kilos> i battled with xubuntu for a day and gave up
[16:17] <betabertus8899> what is the best linux now?
[16:17] <Kilos> oh you got xfce on top of unity
[16:17] <betabertus8899> just standard ubuntu 14.04?
[16:18] <Kilos> Maaz, google top linux distros
[16:18] <Maaz> Kilos: "The Top 7 Best Linux Distros for 2014 | Linux.com" https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/752221-the-top-7-best-linux-distros-for-2014 :: "Top Ten Distributions - DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into ..." http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major :: "Analysis of the top 10 Linux operating systems « Everyday Linux User"
[16:18] <Maaz> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/02/analysis-of-top-10-linux-operating.html :: "50 best Linux distros: find t…
[16:18] <Golynx> Kilos yeah
[16:19] <Kilos> most ubuntu peeps are on standard ubuntu. the geeks like kubuntu and slow pcs like lubuntu and xubuntu
[16:19] <Golynx> but xfce got some buggy stuff you gotta fix first. I spent a while in the #xubuntu channel getting help
[16:22] <Kilos> i dont think their dev team are as active as the kde peeps
[16:22] <Kilos> maybe less resources
[16:24] <Golynx> ya they're a bit behind
[16:25] <Kilos> maybe a smaller team
[16:25] <Kilos> the kde guys work hard
[16:25] <Kilos> test on everything
[16:26] <Kilos> except dlink modems
[16:26] <Kilos> hehe
[16:26] <Kilos> oh my now there is a ubuntu political party
[16:26] <Kilos> that can only give the os a bad name
[16:30] <Golynx> lol
[16:40] <Kilos> polititions are all lying thieves
[16:45] <betabertus8899> yea the word ubuntu does not have the most pos connections
[16:48] <betabertus8899> what new games are there on ubuntu?
[16:50] <Kilos> open synaptic and type in games in the small window
[16:50] <Kilos> mainly card stuff i think
[16:50] <Kilos> oh
[16:51] <Kilos> there is also 0AD
[16:51] <Kilos> that quite lekker but still under developement
[16:51] <Kilos> lot like age of empires
[16:52]  * Golynx mises tricky truck :( http://gravitysensation.com/trickytruck/
[16:52] <Kilos> lol
[16:53] <Golynx> i love highscore driving games you play with people around the world :)
[16:54] <Kilos> lol that needs lots of data
[16:54] <Kilos> i like war games like age of empires and red alert
[16:56] <Golynx> actually very little, the tracks are about 30kb to 2MB . When you choose to play a track someone made you download that track and then try beat the scores in the list. I love being at the top 5 :p
[16:56] <Kilos> lol
[16:57] <Kilos> play a ral game man
[16:57] <Kilos> real
[16:57] <Kilos> war games are serious business
[16:57] <Golynx> plus the physics are almost real and the trucks move unpredictably its awesome!
[16:58] <Kilos> i used to enjoy the gpbikes game too
[16:59] <Golynx> haha , once you try this game war games will be like a mouse in a hamster wheel
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat now
[16:59] <Kilos> Maaz, watch them
[16:59] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[17:00] <Symmetria> heh anyone watched fargo yet?
[17:30] <Kilos> also a game?
[18:16] <betabertus8899> wow the tricky trucks are amazing!
[18:18] <inetpro> guten abend
[18:25] <Kilos> abend mein herr
[18:33] <inetpro> wie geht es?
[18:33] <Kilos> gut
[18:34] <Kilos> cough cough
[18:34] <inetpro> ai!
[18:34] <Kilos> grieperig
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> talk english man
[18:34] <Kilos> i cant sit here and laugh
[18:35] <inetpro> warum?
[18:35] <Kilos> huh?
[18:35] <inetpro> warum soll ich enlish reden?
[18:35] <Kilos> my german blood ran out first time i kicked my toe
[18:36]  * inetpro ist müde
[18:36] <Kilos> haha
[18:36] <Kilos> voesek
[18:36] <inetpro> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> gaan dit goed inetpro ?
[18:36] <inetpro> moeg
[18:37] <Kilos> winer is hier
[18:37] <Kilos> winter
[18:37] <Kilos> ai! is jy siek?
[18:37] <Kilos> jy altyd moeg
[18:37] <inetpro> yep, quite cold this eve
[18:38] <Kilos> hows the family
[18:38] <inetpro> all good ty
[18:40] <Kilos> how come you so busy you never here anymore
[18:41] <Kilos> and where is your appy
[18:41] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:41] <Kilos> Maaz, hmm...
[18:41] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[18:42] <inetpro> do I have to answer that today?
[18:42] <Kilos> yes
[18:42] <Kilos> now
[18:42] <inetpro> ai!
[18:42] <Kilos> not sometime before midnight
[18:43] <Kilos> oh ya i needed you today man
[18:43] <inetpro> work comes before play man
[18:43] <Kilos> spell makawe
[18:43] <inetpro> makawe
[18:43] <Kilos> you not working now man
[18:43] <theblazehen> Kilos: Kinda like a desktop environment, without all the programs
[18:43] <Kilos> them wild mushrooms
[18:44] <Kilos> is that spelling correct?
[18:44] <Kilos> or is it kawe or mkawe or what
[18:44] <inetpro> makawe = em-aah-kay-aah-weh
[18:45] <Kilos> is the spelling right
[18:45] <inetpro> no... just jokin
[18:45] <inetpro> :-)
[18:45] <Kilos> you got family on the farm in natal still?
[18:45] <inetpro> I don't no how you say spell it to be honest
[18:46] <Kilos> ai1 and i sukkeled to get a zulu eng dict but no good that iether
[18:47] <Kilos> im looking for spores from them inetpro 
[18:48] <inetpro> wrong time now
[18:48] <Kilos> ya only in stormy weather but who knows with global warming
[18:49] <Kilos> but even next year man , im planning early
[18:49] <Kilos> imaging how plate sized mushrooms will sell
[18:49] <inetpro> so where do you plan to find spores now?
[18:50] <Kilos> these peeps are used to little button things
[18:50] <Kilos> sigh
[18:50] <Kilos> i just need someone to keep their eyes open on farms
[18:50] <theblazehen> uhm.. Which kind of mushrooms is Kilos looking for?
[18:50] <theblazehen> The fun kind, or the normal kind?
[18:50] <inetpro> talk nicely to your ants
[18:51] <Kilos> theblazehen, they are wild in northern natal. some the size of dinner plates
[18:51] <theblazehen> Kilos: ah those ones. Ok
[18:51] <Kilos> ya those you eat not get goofed with
[18:52] <Kilos> i feed my tummy not my head
[18:54] <theblazehen> yo Golynx 
[18:56] <Golynx> hey theblazehen
[19:14] <betabertus8899> hey guys 
[19:19] <betabertus8899> does anyone know how to successfully install duel gpu graphics drivers
[19:22] <Golynx> ai, Cellc getting flooded with new users probably
[19:28] <Kilos> eish betabertus8899 you still battling
[19:36] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:36] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow