| amigamagic | in my opinion xfce is not yet "mature" as gnome DE, but it's going in the right direction. Thunar is good but is not polished as Nautilus. For example, if I search in the windows shares, with Thunar there is no feedback: the thunar window doesn't display anything to inform you that it's searching. In Nautilus it will display a window to inform you that the program is busy in searching devices on the lan... | 00:00 |
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| holstein | amigamagic: let us konw if you have a support question.. please use #xubuntu-offtopic for chat | 00:00 |
| amigamagic | oh sorry, I will post there... | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | thoughts? http://smdavis.us/2014/04/15/14-features-of-xubuntu-14-04/ | 01:27 |
| delt | hmm.... i installed the 32bit distribution, but i need to run some 64bit apps. Do i have to reinstall the whole OS? | 01:31 |
| delt | ...or can i simply boot a different kernel, or change some config somewhere...? | 01:31 |
| holstein | delt: you can likely get the 32 bit version of the app | 01:32 |
| amigamagic | bluesabre, the zoom works with ALT + mouse wheel, not CTRL + mouse wheel | 01:32 |
| delt | nope :( only 64 bit available :( :( | 01:32 |
| bluesabre | ah | 01:32 |
| bluesabre | thanks amigamagic for catching that typo | 01:33 |
| holstein | delt: what app.. | 01:33 |
| amigamagic | bluesabre ;) | 01:33 |
| delt | holstein: several vst's, but right now the "dolphin" emulator | 01:34 |
| delt | (for playing gamecube and wii games) | 01:35 |
| delt | holstein: also i have 4gb of memory.. if i add more, i won't be able to use it with a 32bit OS right? | 01:37 |
| delt | holstein: one thing bothers me though.. i tested running renoise 32bit from the 64bit livecd, and it refused to start (said "no such file or directory" or something) which is why i installed the 32bit version of ubuntu studio | 01:39 |
| delt | theoretically, 64bit OS can run 32bit apps, right? | 01:39 |
| holstein | !pae | 01:39 |
| ubottu | To use more than ~3.2GB RAM on a 32bit system you can install the PAE-enabled kernel. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE for more info | 01:39 |
| holstein | delt: ^ | 01:39 |
| holstein | delt: they are all pae enabled now AFAIK | 01:40 |
| holstein | cant imagine a vst being 64bit only.. | 01:40 |
| delt | ...so there's no way to just "switch" the OS to 64bit without reinstalling? ie. by booting a 64bit kernel and changing some config files? | 01:41 |
| holstein | delt: no | 01:42 |
| delt | holstein: but... like i said, this is the reason i installed the 32bit version.... why did renoise and pianoteq 32bit fail to run from the 64bit livecd? | 01:42 |
| delt | anyway it's not that important, but im just wondering about that detail | 01:42 |
| delt | "In general, a proper 64 bit system is recommended if you have 4 Gb or more memory and/or want to get the full benefit of the 64 bit architecture [...]" | 01:46 |
| delt | yep.. i think i shot myself in the foot when i installed the 32bit version :/ | 01:48 |
| holstein | delt: youd have to ask them | 01:48 |
| holstein | delt: i have 64bit on muy production machine, but i run 32bit laptops for studio purposes | 01:48 |
| David-A | delt: if i understand correctly, running 32bit progs on 64bit system requires some 32bit libs to be installed, maybe the 64bit live system didn't have them (just theorizing) | 01:49 |
| delt | holstein: any idea about what David-A just said? | 01:49 |
| holstein | delt: sure.. thats what i do on my production rig | 01:49 |
| holstein | delt: you said you have 32 bit trying to run 64bit only application, which is not applicaable | 01:49 |
| delt | holstein: and, is your 64bit system capable of running 32bit programs? | 01:49 |
| holstein | delt: correct. i run 32bit applications on my 64bit production rig | 01:50 |
| holstein | delt: one native linux application for lightscribe | 01:50 |
| delt | yeah i'm considering reinstalling when 14.04 comes out officially. there's several benefits i'm just missing with a 32bit os | 01:51 |
| delt | btw why is it often called "amd64" ...probably because amd were the first to develop 64bit cpu's? | 01:51 |
| David-A | delt: i have a 64bit systems and run programs i compiled 8 years ago on a 32bit system. they will load 32bit versions of some libs. | 01:52 |
| holstein | delt: you can always run 32bit apps on 64bit linux | 01:52 |
| holstein | delt: your production rig should have over 4 gigs of ram | 01:52 |
| delt | yeah, i plan to get more when i have the $ | 01:53 |
| David-A | delt: if you re-install the OS and keep /home, I would think of that as "just switching the OS to 64 bit" | 01:55 |
| holstein | yup.. thats as close as it'll get | 01:56 |
| delt | yeah, was thinking about that | 01:56 |
| delt | i could keep /etc/ too? | 01:56 |
| holstein | why? | 01:56 |
| David-A | delt: you just have to remember what packages you have installed manually, and if you have changed any config files manually | 01:57 |
| holstein | personally,i dont eve save /home | 01:57 |
| holstein | i blow it all out and do it properly again.. but, im always readt to try and get it better the next time | 01:57 |
| delt | David-A: is there a way to list all packages installed manually, so i can install them all at once? | 01:57 |
| David-A | delt: no, dont keep /etc. if you have changed any config files manually, keep a note of the changes you made in a text file in home | 01:57 |
| holstein | you can do that with synaptic | 01:57 |
| David-A | delt. yes you can list them. shall I or you google about it? | 01:58 |
| delt | with apt-cache or something | 01:58 |
| delt | 2sec i'll check | 01:58 |
| delt | http://askubuntu.com/questions/32007/how-to-find-manually-installed-packages | 01:59 |
| David-A | delt: Im not sure all advice on that page is good. maybe some list all installed packages. some packages may differ between between a 32 and 64bit system. | 02:03 |
| delt | well, i can always cat ~/.bash_history | grep "apt-get install" | 02:04 |
| delt | but this seems to work ---> On System A, run: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > my-selections | 02:05 |
| David-A | delt: that will list all installed pkgs it seems. you cannot just manually installed. probably including pkgs not to be installed on a 64bit system. | 02:07 |
| David-A | delt: synaptic>status>Installed(manuall) lists fewer pkgs, but seems to include those installed by dependency, which is redundant. should I or you keep googling? | 02:08 |
| delt | David-A: i need to sleep. thanks for all your help | 02:09 |
| delt | i can't do this right now anyway, first i prefer to wait for 14.04 to be officially released, and second i'll bust my bandwidth ratio if i download too much in the next few days | 02:10 |
| David-A | delt: no problem, think and sleep before jump. good | 02:12 |
| delt | :) | 02:12 |
| delt | ok, good night everyone | 02:13 |
| cinthia | hola a todos | 02:50 |
| Unit193 | !es | 02:51 |
| ubottu | En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. | 02:51 |
| zedzdead | Help | 04:08 |
| Alan | damn, no xubuntu RC? | 08:53 |
| koegs | why not wait for the release tomorrow? :D | 08:54 |
| Alan | :P | 08:55 |
| Alan | Because I was going to upgrade my work machine *before* a 6-day weekend rather than after, heh | 08:55 |
| koegs | well, then use the beta2 image and use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" | 08:56 |
| Alan | yeah, I'll probably just wait until next week now | 08:56 |
| Alan | at least then I'll get to read the "known issues" in the release notes | 08:56 |
| koegs | Alan: if you have to rely on the system over the weekend i wouldn't upgrade right now :) | 08:57 |
| Alan | some of the known issues in beta2 look a little gnarly | 08:57 |
| Alan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 <- this one especially would irritate the hell out of me | 08:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "ibus does not support certain keyboard layouts" [High,Triaged] | 08:59 |
| Alan | since i use a non-US keyboard layout | 08:59 |
| * Alan hopes this is a blocker :| | 09:00 | |
| === david is now known as Guest45327 | ||
| Guest45327 | have problem with wallpaper not loading | 09:14 |
| TheSheep | press alt+f2, type "xfdesktop" and press enter | 09:14 |
| Guest45327 | will try thanks | 09:15 |
| Guest45327 | The app finder poped up but nothing happened when I pressed enter | 09:18 |
| nikolam | running live dvd 13.1032bit, and putting system in standby worked once , but after coming up from suspend it does not want to suspend. | 09:20 |
| Guest45327 | allso when I booted the temp file wouldnt load for a fair while | 09:20 |
| nikolam | saying, operation in progress | 09:21 |
| Guest45327 | yes it had to fix the problem every boot | 09:21 |
| nikolam | Failed to run action "Suspend" GDBus.Error,freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Operation already in progress | 09:26 |
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| xubuntu935 | hi | 10:18 |
| skribblezatcha | good morning. ~o) | 11:50 |
| dreamer | hi all, I'm trying the beta2 of 14.04 with a widescreen monitor (2560x1024) attached. the computer has dvi out, however I can't get any display on the dvi on the monitor. when I use a vga converter I only get display in a tty, no X - any ideas? | 12:24 |
| Lazar | Guy, im having problem with 13.10 on my hp probook | 12:25 |
| dreamer | it's a pretty old computer though. fujitsu esprimo with intel 945gm integrated card | 12:26 |
| Lazar | Amd/intel hybrid graphics | 12:26 |
| cfhowlett | dreamer lubuntu is specifically optimized for older/lower specification hardware | 12:26 |
| Lazar | Fglrx crashes and wont open amdcccle, and when i try to switch off discreed card with vga switcheroo at startup, i get black screen | 12:27 |
| Lazar | Ideas? | 12:27 |
| dreamer | cfhowlett: not like it uses different kernel/drivers/xorg | 12:27 |
| dreamer | it's very strange that the tty loks fine but X isn't displayed at all | 12:27 |
| dreamer | the monitor says it's not gotting any input | 12:28 |
| dreamer | getting* | 12:28 |
| Lazar | But why are you messing with beta anyway, tomorow is official rel of lts | 12:28 |
| dreamer | 'no signal' | 12:28 |
| dreamer | Lazar: becaus, I want to test it _now_ and there's no iso out yet :P | 12:28 |
| dreamer | (als, I had the same problem with 13.04 and was hoping it's works better with newer kernel) | 12:29 |
| dreamer | it's weird that with dvi it says no signal on both tty and X, and with vga converter the tty works | 12:30 |
| Alan | tomorrow is official release even with horrible breaking bugs? :( | 12:59 |
| amigamagic | what horrible bugs?? | 13:00 |
| cfhowlett | Alan discuss 14.04 in #ubuntu+1 | 13:01 |
| Alan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 <- that one looks pretty annoying for all non-US-layout users | 13:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "ibus does not support certain keyboard layouts" [High,Triaged] | 13:03 |
| amigamagic | mmh... I don't have that bug, and I have an italian keyboard layout | 13:05 |
| cfhowlett | Alan I gotta say "annoying" doesn't = horrible or breaking | 13:05 |
| xubuntu825 | hello. i have a core 2 duo and 64 bit os. should i download and install the pc x86 or the amd64? | 13:23 |
| xubuntu825 | my processor is intel | 13:24 |
| xubuntu580 | oh Hi, i think that is better to install pc x86. I'm not into linux too much, i just switch into linux 2 weeks ago, so my knowledge is quite limited, but i think that pc x86 is better and more stable than amd 64 | 13:26 |
| koegs | xubuntu580: this is wrong | 13:26 |
| koegs | xubuntu825: just use amd64, no reason to use x86 if amd64 is supported on the cpu | 13:26 |
| xubuntu825 | thank ou koegs | 13:27 |
| xubuntu580 | ok sorry | 13:27 |
| xubuntu580 | i'm using a sony vaio laptop with xubuntu in it, and it gets warm really quick, more than when i was using windows. Any tips? | 13:29 |
| xubuntu580 | i'm using the privative controler of my ATI mobility radeon HD 5430 | 13:30 |
| xubuntu580 | oh and the battery drains quick too | 13:30 |
| junka | xubuntu580: you should switch to x64 too if your cpu supports it. I would suggest TLP http://linrunner.de/en/ | 13:32 |
| xubuntu580 | yes ok, i using it | 13:33 |
| xubuntu580 | but my laptop keeps getting warm with the privative controller of ATI mobility radeon HD 5430, should i use the free controllers? i don't know what to do :/ | 13:40 |
| koegs | xubuntu580: are you able to select the intel GPU in the BIOS? | 13:42 |
| xubuntu580 | i didn't tried it | 13:42 |
| xubuntu580 | if i can what should i do? | 13:43 |
| koegs | xubuntu580: maybe you are able to preselect the graphic controller in the Notebook Bios | 13:47 |
| koegs | so that it will always use the power saving GPU in the Intel processor instead of the ATI GPU | 13:47 |
| xubuntu580 | ok i will try it thanks alot | 13:54 |
| x200 | Hi, If I try conect Routerboard 411 microtic in LAN slot, but after conect, I cant use wifi in my NB. How I can fix it? I need be conect to wifi, and to lan. | 16:05 |
| x200 | Hi, I have problem with conect to wifi, if I conect something (routerboard microtic) in LAN slot. After I conect lan cable, Wifi conect is over. | 16:09 |
| x200 | What we have to do, I can also be connected by a cable and Wifi at the same time? | 16:10 |
| zedzdead | Hello | 16:20 |
| xubuntu781 | xubuntu 13.10 wifi disconnect problem? | 17:10 |
| rsajdok|a | When will be new version of xubuntu? | 17:43 |
| junka | tomorrow rsajdok | 17:43 |
| junka | rsajdok|a | 17:44 |
| AndChat|453921 | What time? | 17:48 |
| elfy | it is Wed Apr 16 17:49:16 UTC 2014 | 17:49 |
| Pici | when it is done | 17:49 |
| elfy | and asking repeatedly tomorrow will make no difference to it either | 17:49 |
| lampwyck | hello | 18:25 |
| junka | hi | 18:25 |
| lampwyck | brand new linux user. just looking around for the first time | 18:26 |
| junka | awesome | 18:26 |
| recon_lap | what the link to the xubuntu 14.04 dl link? | 18:27 |
| knome | recon_lap, it's not out yet. | 18:27 |
| recon_lap | the beta | 18:28 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds | 18:28 |
| junka | xubuntu 14.04 will be released sometime tomorrow | 18:28 |
| elfy | but they've JUST gone disabled ready for a respin | 18:28 |
| elfy | recon_lap: ^^ | 18:28 |
| recon_lap | guess I should wait for the respin? | 18:28 |
| elfy | I would | 18:29 |
| recon_lap | ok, is the actual release tomorrow? | 18:29 |
| Pici | yes | 18:34 |
| xubuntu979 | hi all : | 18:37 |
| junka | hi | 18:37 |
| lampwyck | hiya | 18:38 |
| xubuntu979 | just instaled xubuntu, doya think i can get my delta66 sound working? | 18:39 |
| recon_lap | xubuntu979: I would think you can. do you know if it found the device? | 18:41 |
| xubuntu979 | disabled onboard sound in the bios | 18:41 |
| recon_lap | xubuntu979: see what sudo lshw -C sound returns | 18:42 |
| recon_lap | "sudo lshw -C soundsudo lshw -C sound" | 18:42 |
| xubuntu979 | well very new here but didn't find it | 18:42 |
| recon_lap | opps | 18:42 |
| recon_lap | "sudo lshw -C sound" | 18:43 |
| xubuntu979 | soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$ sudo lshw -C sound [sudo] password for soundman: *-multimedia UNCLAIMED description: Multimedia audio controller product: ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. physical id: 4 bus info: pci@0000:04:04.0 version: 02 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list | 18:44 |
| xubuntu979 | via is onboard sound | 18:45 |
| xubuntu979 | delta66 is pci card | 18:45 |
| recon_lap | xubuntu979: thats quite a sound card by the look of it. what version of xubuntu have you installed | 18:48 |
| xubuntu979 | the new? 14.04 | 18:48 |
| recon_lap | xubuntu979: had a quick look and it seems you have to get drivers for that card | 18:50 |
| elfy | recon_lap: build is ready again at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds | 18:50 |
| recon_lap | xubuntu979: did you install the x86 version or the AMD64 version? | 18:51 |
| recon_lap | elfy: downloading, guess I'm a bit late for testing though | 18:53 |
| elfy | not at all :) | 18:53 |
| elfy | you can test now - and report it please :) | 18:54 |
| xubuntu979 | oh! AMD i think :\ | 18:56 |
| recon_lap | xubuntu979: try start alsamixer and see what it says. I a bit confused by what i'm reading about that sound card | 18:59 |
| xubuntu979 | i think i might have it | 19:02 |
| xubuntu979 | description: Multimedia audio controller product: ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller vendor: VIA Technologies Inc. physical id: 4 bus info: pci@0000:04:04.0 version: 02 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list configuration: latency=64 | 19:02 |
| xubuntu979 | soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$ start alsamixer start: Unknown job: alsamixer soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$ | 19:03 |
| recon_lap | xubuntu979: just "alsamixer" | 19:04 |
| xubuntu979 | soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$ alsamixer cannot open mixer: No such file or directory | 19:04 |
| xubuntu979 | gonna go make coffee be back if i can't make it work ....thanks for help ...bbl | 19:06 |
| recon_lap | do install disks no longer fit on CD's? | 19:23 |
| Unit193 | Correct. | 19:24 |
| mzr | DVDs or usbs | 19:24 |
| recon_lap | see the bloat is spreading lol | 19:24 |
| mzr | Unit193: any idea if a bluray would have any glitches or hitches? | 19:24 |
| Unit193 | mzr: ...No idea actually, though I'm not sure they're designed to do it. Would be a bit of a waste of space though. :P | 19:25 |
| mzr | they must make rw's surely | 19:26 |
| recon_lap | ok, luckly I have a blank DVD , hope the old computer can read it now, it did not like booting from usb last time i tried that | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | Other option is chain booting it with plop from a CD. | 19:29 |
| mzr | the fun part is writing, not reading recon | 19:30 |
| recon_lap | I hope it works, as the computer is in a different building | 19:30 |
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| recon_lap | right, DVD bruned, I'll be back with a report in a bit. later | 19:35 |
| === mzr is now known as mzr|away | ||
| === mzr|away is now known as mzr | ||
| CountryfiedLinux | When is the release date for Xubuntu 14.04? Is that tomorrow also? | 20:34 |
| Naphatul | with 14.04 releasing tommorow, is anyone having an issue where after you type in your password when waking from suspend the screen turns off? | 21:00 |
| elfy | Naphatul: it's known | 21:01 |
| elfy | bug 1259339 | 21:01 |
| ubottu | bug 1259339 in xfce4-power-manager "Xfce4 Power Manager does not restore screen power" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259339 | 21:01 |
| Unit193 | Switch to a TTY and restart lightdm. | 21:01 |
| elfy | Naphatul: also do you only get this issue when you've suspended by closing the lid ? | 21:02 |
| Naphatul | elfy, yes | 21:02 |
| elfy | k - thanks :) please mark the bug affects me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339/+affectsmetoo | 21:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1259339 in xfce4-power-manager "Xfce4 Power Manager does not restore screen power" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:03 |
| recon_lap | elfy: just to let you know, that installed with no issues. just one or two niggles I noticed | 21:03 |
| elfy | recon_lap: thanks - I assume you've got an LP account - can you report and comment them please :) | 21:04 |
| Naphatul | elfy, is this expected to be fixed soon? | 21:05 |
| recon_lap | well, mp3 support did not load off the CD , the icon for file operations appears corrupted and thundr managed to crash within two minutes :) | 21:05 |
| elfy | Naphatul: not in time for release | 21:06 |
| knome | recon_lap, ...report in launchpad. | 21:07 |
| recon_lap | think I'll do this tomorrow when I'm at the machine after I get it on the net. | 21:18 |
| peyam | Hi guys.. Does anyone know if 14.04 will be release now or tomorrow? during the day | 22:10 |
| elfy | peyam: the 17th at some point | 22:11 |
| peyam | it s now 17 th. | 22:11 |
| peyam | It's 00:12 and I wonder if I need to be awake. I have lots of things to do tomorrow and cant wait to give 14.04 a try :) | 22:12 |
| elfy | it will be released when it is released - sometime on the 17th | 22:15 |
| === Barnabas_ is now known as BarnabasDK | ||
| peyam | elfy, I understand that sir. I was wondering about the exact time | 22:16 |
| Artemis3 | well 17 utc? | 22:33 |
| Artemis3 | peyam, lets have a look :3 | 22:33 |
| Artemis3 | not yet :) | 22:34 |
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