[00:00] <amigamagic> in my opinion xfce is not yet "mature" as gnome DE, but it's going in the right direction. Thunar is good but is not polished as Nautilus. For example, if I search in the windows shares, with Thunar there is no feedback: the thunar window doesn't display anything to inform you that it's searching. In Nautilus it will display a window to inform you that the program is busy in searching devices on the lan...
[00:00] <holstein> amigamagic: let us konw if you have a support question.. please use #xubuntu-offtopic for chat
[00:01] <amigamagic> oh sorry, I will post there...
[01:27] <bluesabre> thoughts? http://smdavis.us/2014/04/15/14-features-of-xubuntu-14-04/
[01:31] <delt> hmm.... i installed the 32bit distribution, but i need to run some 64bit apps. Do i have to reinstall the whole OS?
[01:31] <delt> ...or can i simply boot a different kernel, or change some config somewhere...?
[01:32] <holstein> delt: you can likely get the 32 bit version of the app
[01:32] <amigamagic> bluesabre, the zoom works with ALT + mouse wheel, not CTRL + mouse wheel
[01:32] <delt> nope :( only 64 bit available :( :(
[01:32] <bluesabre> ah
[01:33] <bluesabre> thanks amigamagic for catching that typo
[01:33] <holstein> delt: what app..
[01:33] <amigamagic> bluesabre ;)
[01:34] <delt> holstein: several vst's, but right now the "dolphin" emulator
[01:35] <delt> (for playing gamecube and wii games)
[01:37] <delt> holstein: also i have 4gb of memory.. if i add more, i won't be able to use it with a 32bit OS right?
[01:39] <delt> holstein: one thing bothers me though.. i tested running renoise 32bit from the 64bit livecd, and it refused to start (said "no such file or directory" or something) which is why i installed the 32bit version of ubuntu studio
[01:39] <delt> theoretically, 64bit OS can run 32bit apps, right?
[01:39] <holstein> !pae
[01:39] <ubottu> To use more than ~3.2GB RAM on a 32bit system you can install the PAE-enabled kernel. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE for more info
[01:39] <holstein> delt: ^
[01:40] <holstein> delt: they are all pae enabled now AFAIK
[01:40] <holstein> cant imagine a vst being 64bit only..
[01:41] <delt> ...so there's no way to just "switch" the OS to 64bit without reinstalling? ie. by booting a 64bit kernel and changing some config files?
[01:42] <holstein> delt: no
[01:42] <delt> holstein: but... like i said, this is the reason i installed the 32bit version.... why did renoise and pianoteq 32bit fail to run from the 64bit livecd?
[01:42] <delt> anyway it's not that important, but im just wondering about that detail
[01:46] <delt> "In general, a proper 64 bit system is recommended if you have 4 Gb or more memory and/or want to get the full benefit of the 64 bit architecture [...]"
[01:48] <delt> yep.. i think i shot myself in the foot when i installed the 32bit version :/
[01:48] <holstein> delt: youd have to ask them
[01:48] <holstein> delt: i have 64bit on muy production machine, but i run 32bit laptops for studio purposes
[01:49] <David-A> delt: if i understand correctly, running 32bit progs on 64bit system requires some 32bit libs to be installed, maybe the 64bit live system didn't have them (just theorizing)
[01:49] <delt> holstein: any idea about what David-A just said?
[01:49] <holstein> delt: sure.. thats what i do on my production rig
[01:49] <holstein> delt: you said you have 32 bit trying to run 64bit only application, which is not applicaable
[01:49] <delt> holstein: and, is your 64bit system capable of running 32bit programs?
[01:50] <holstein> delt: correct. i run 32bit applications on my 64bit production rig
[01:50] <holstein> delt: one native linux application for lightscribe
[01:51] <delt> yeah i'm considering reinstalling when 14.04 comes out officially. there's several benefits i'm just missing with a 32bit os
[01:51] <delt> btw why is it often called "amd64" ...probably because amd were the first to develop 64bit cpu's?
[01:52] <David-A> delt: i have a 64bit systems and run programs i compiled 8 years ago on a 32bit system. they will load 32bit versions of some libs.
[01:52] <holstein> delt: you can always run 32bit apps on 64bit linux
[01:52] <holstein> delt: your production rig should have over 4 gigs of ram
[01:53] <delt> yeah, i plan to get more when i have the $
[01:55] <David-A> delt: if you re-install the OS and keep /home, I would think of that as "just switching the OS to 64 bit"
[01:56] <holstein> yup.. thats as close as it'll get
[01:56] <delt> yeah, was thinking about that
[01:56] <delt> i could keep /etc/ too?
[01:56] <holstein> why?
[01:57] <David-A> delt: you just have to remember what packages you have installed manually, and if you have changed any config files manually
[01:57] <holstein> personally,i dont eve save /home
[01:57] <holstein> i blow it all out and do it properly again.. but, im always readt to try and get it better the next time
[01:57] <delt> David-A: is there a way to list all packages installed manually, so i can install them all at once?
[01:57] <David-A> delt: no, dont keep /etc. if you have changed any config files manually, keep a note of the changes you made in a text file in home
[01:57] <holstein> you can do that with synaptic
[01:58] <David-A> delt. yes you can list them. shall I or you google about it?
[01:58] <delt> with apt-cache or something
[01:58] <delt> 2sec i'll check
[01:59] <delt> http://askubuntu.com/questions/32007/how-to-find-manually-installed-packages
[02:03] <David-A> delt: Im not sure all advice on that page is good. maybe some list all installed packages. some packages may differ between between a 32 and 64bit system.
[02:04] <delt> well, i can always cat ~/.bash_history | grep "apt-get install"
[02:05] <delt> but this seems to work ---> On System A, run: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > my-selections
[02:07] <David-A> delt: that will list all installed pkgs it seems. you cannot just manually installed. probably including pkgs not to be installed on a 64bit system.
[02:08] <David-A> delt: synaptic>status>Installed(manuall) lists fewer pkgs, but seems to include those installed by dependency, which is redundant. should I or you keep googling?
[02:09] <delt> David-A: i need to sleep. thanks for all your help
[02:10] <delt> i can't do this right now anyway, first i prefer to wait for 14.04 to be officially released, and second i'll bust my bandwidth ratio if i download too much in the next few days
[02:12] <David-A> delt: no problem, think and sleep before jump. good
[02:12] <delt> :)
[02:13] <delt> ok, good night everyone
[02:50] <cinthia> hola a todos
[02:51] <Unit193> !es
[02:51] <ubottu> En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[04:08] <zedzdead> Help
[08:53] <Alan> damn, no xubuntu RC?
[08:54] <koegs> why not wait for the release tomorrow? :D
[08:55] <Alan> :P
[08:55] <Alan> Because I was going to upgrade my work machine *before* a 6-day weekend rather than after, heh
[08:56] <koegs> well, then use the beta2 image and use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:56] <Alan> yeah, I'll probably just wait until next week now
[08:56] <Alan> at least then I'll get to read the "known issues" in the release notes
[08:57] <koegs> Alan: if you have to rely on the system over the weekend i wouldn't upgrade right now :)
[08:57] <Alan> some of the known issues in beta2 look a little gnarly
[08:59] <Alan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 <- this one especially would irritate the hell out of me
[08:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "ibus does not support certain keyboard layouts" [High,Triaged]
[08:59] <Alan> since i use a non-US keyboard layout
[09:00]  * Alan hopes this is a blocker :|
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[09:14] <Guest45327> have problem with wallpaper not loading
[09:14] <TheSheep> press alt+f2, type "xfdesktop" and press enter
[09:15] <Guest45327> will try thanks
[09:18] <Guest45327> The app finder poped up but nothing happened when I pressed enter
[09:20] <nikolam> running live dvd 13.1032bit, and putting system in standby worked once , but after coming up from suspend it does not want to suspend.
[09:20] <Guest45327> allso when I booted the temp file wouldnt load for a fair while
[09:21] <nikolam> saying, operation in progress
[09:21] <Guest45327> yes it had to fix the problem every boot
[09:26] <nikolam> Failed to run action "Suspend"   GDBus.Error,freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Operation already in progress
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[10:18] <xubuntu935> hi
[11:50] <skribblezatcha> good morning. ~o)
[12:24] <dreamer> hi all, I'm trying the beta2 of 14.04 with a widescreen monitor (2560x1024) attached. the computer has dvi out, however I can't get any display on the dvi on the monitor. when I use a vga converter I only get display in a tty, no X - any ideas?
[12:25] <Lazar> Guy, im having problem with 13.10 on my hp probook
[12:26] <dreamer> it's a pretty old computer though. fujitsu esprimo with intel 945gm integrated card
[12:26] <Lazar> Amd/intel hybrid graphics
[12:26] <cfhowlett> dreamer lubuntu is specifically optimized for older/lower specification hardware
[12:27] <Lazar> Fglrx crashes and wont open amdcccle, and when i try to switch off discreed card with vga switcheroo at startup, i get black screen
[12:27] <Lazar> Ideas?
[12:27] <dreamer> cfhowlett: not like it uses different kernel/drivers/xorg
[12:27] <dreamer> it's very strange that the tty loks fine but X isn't displayed at all
[12:28] <dreamer> the monitor says it's not gotting any input
[12:28] <dreamer> getting*
[12:28] <Lazar> But why are you messing with beta anyway, tomorow is official rel of lts
[12:28] <dreamer> 'no signal'
[12:28] <dreamer> Lazar: becaus, I want to test it _now_ and there's no iso out yet :P
[12:29] <dreamer> (als, I had the same problem with 13.04 and was hoping it's works better with newer kernel)
[12:30] <dreamer> it's weird that with dvi it says no signal on both tty and X, and with vga converter the tty works
[12:59] <Alan> tomorrow is official release even with horrible breaking bugs? :(
[13:00] <amigamagic> what horrible bugs??
[13:01] <cfhowlett> Alan discuss 14.04 in #ubuntu+1
[13:03] <Alan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635 <- that one looks pretty annoying for all non-US-layout users
[13:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1284635 in ibus (Ubuntu Trusty) "ibus does not support certain keyboard layouts" [High,Triaged]
[13:05] <amigamagic> mmh... I don't have that bug, and I have an italian keyboard layout
[13:05] <cfhowlett> Alan I gotta say "annoying" doesn't = horrible or breaking
[13:23] <xubuntu825> hello. i have a core 2 duo and 64 bit os. should i download and install the pc x86 or the amd64?
[13:24] <xubuntu825> my processor is intel
[13:26] <xubuntu580> oh Hi, i think that is better to install pc x86. I'm not into linux too much, i just switch into linux 2 weeks ago, so my knowledge is quite limited, but i think that pc x86 is better and more stable than amd 64
[13:26] <koegs> xubuntu580: this is wrong
[13:26] <koegs> xubuntu825: just use amd64, no reason to use x86 if amd64 is supported on the cpu
[13:27] <xubuntu825> thank ou koegs
[13:27] <xubuntu580> ok sorry
[13:29] <xubuntu580> i'm using a sony vaio laptop with xubuntu in it, and it gets warm really quick, more than when i was using windows. Any tips?
[13:30] <xubuntu580> i'm using the privative controler of my ATI mobility radeon HD 5430
[13:30] <xubuntu580> oh and the battery drains quick too
[13:32] <junka> xubuntu580: you should switch to x64 too if your cpu supports it. I would suggest TLP http://linrunner.de/en/
[13:33] <xubuntu580> yes ok, i using it
[13:40] <xubuntu580> but my laptop keeps getting warm with the privative controller of ATI mobility radeon HD 5430, should i use the free controllers? i don't know what to do :/
[13:42] <koegs> xubuntu580: are you able to select the intel GPU in the BIOS?
[13:42] <xubuntu580> i didn't tried it
[13:43] <xubuntu580> if i can what should i do?
[13:47] <koegs> xubuntu580: maybe you are able to preselect the graphic controller in the Notebook Bios
[13:47] <koegs> so that it will always use the power saving GPU in the Intel processor instead of the ATI GPU
[13:54] <xubuntu580> ok i will try it thanks alot
[16:05] <x200> Hi, If I try conect Routerboard 411 microtic in LAN slot, but after conect, I cant use wifi in my NB.  How I can fix it? I need be conect to wifi, and to lan.
[16:09] <x200> Hi, I have problem with conect to wifi, if I conect something (routerboard microtic) in LAN slot. After I conect lan cable, Wifi conect is over.
[16:10] <x200> What we have to do, I can also be connected by a cable and Wifi at the same time?
[16:20] <zedzdead> Hello
[17:10] <xubuntu781> xubuntu 13.10 wifi disconnect problem?
[17:43] <rsajdok|a> When will be new version of xubuntu?
[17:43] <junka> tomorrow rsajdok
[17:44] <junka> rsajdok|a
[17:48] <AndChat|453921> What time?
[17:49] <elfy> it is Wed Apr 16 17:49:16 UTC 2014
[17:49] <Pici> when it is done
[17:49] <elfy> and asking repeatedly tomorrow will make no difference to it either
[18:25] <lampwyck> hello
[18:25] <junka> hi
[18:26] <lampwyck> brand new linux user. just looking around for the first time
[18:26] <junka> awesome
[18:27] <recon_lap> what the link to the xubuntu 14.04 dl link?
[18:27] <knome> recon_lap, it's not out yet.
[18:28] <recon_lap> the beta
[18:28] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds
[18:28] <junka> xubuntu 14.04 will be released sometime tomorrow
[18:28] <elfy> but they've JUST gone disabled ready for a respin
[18:28] <elfy> recon_lap: ^^
[18:28] <recon_lap> guess I should wait for the respin?
[18:29] <elfy> I would
[18:29] <recon_lap> ok, is the actual release tomorrow?
[18:34] <Pici> yes
[18:37] <xubuntu979> hi all  :
[18:37] <junka> hi
[18:38] <lampwyck> hiya
[18:39] <xubuntu979> just instaled xubuntu,    doya think i can get my delta66 sound working?
[18:41] <recon_lap> xubuntu979: I would think you can. do you know if it found the device?
[18:41] <xubuntu979> disabled onboard sound in the bios
[18:42] <recon_lap> xubuntu979: see what sudo lshw -C sound returns
[18:42] <recon_lap> "sudo lshw -C soundsudo lshw -C sound"
[18:42] <xubuntu979> well very new here but didn't find it
[18:42] <recon_lap> opps
[18:43] <recon_lap> "sudo lshw -C sound"
[18:44] <xubuntu979> soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$ sudo lshw -C sound [sudo] password for soundman:    *-multimedia UNCLAIMED          description: Multimedia audio controller        product: ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller        vendor: VIA Technologies Inc.        physical id: 4        bus info: pci@0000:04:04.0        version: 02        width: 32 bits        clock: 33MHz        capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list        
[18:45] <xubuntu979> via is onboard sound
[18:45] <xubuntu979> delta66 is pci card
[18:48] <recon_lap> xubuntu979: thats quite a sound card by the look of it. what version of xubuntu have you installed
[18:48] <xubuntu979> the new?    14.04
[18:50] <recon_lap> xubuntu979: had a quick look and it seems you have to get drivers for that card
[18:50] <elfy> recon_lap: build is ready again at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds
[18:51] <recon_lap> xubuntu979: did you install the x86 version or the AMD64 version?
[18:53] <recon_lap> elfy: downloading, guess I'm a bit late for testing though
[18:53] <elfy> not at all :)
[18:54] <elfy> you can test now - and report it please :)
[18:56] <xubuntu979> oh!    AMD i think       :\
[18:59] <recon_lap> xubuntu979: try start alsamixer and see what it says. I a bit confused by what i'm reading about that sound card
[19:02] <xubuntu979> i think i might have it
[19:02] <xubuntu979>     description: Multimedia audio controller        product: ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller        vendor: VIA Technologies Inc.        physical id: 4        bus info: pci@0000:04:04.0        version: 02        width: 32 bits        clock: 33MHz        capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list        configuration: latency=64
[19:03] <xubuntu979> soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$ start alsamixer start: Unknown job: alsamixer soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$
[19:04] <recon_lap> xubuntu979: just "alsamixer"
[19:04] <xubuntu979> soundman@soundman-System:~/Desktop$ alsamixer cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[19:06] <xubuntu979> gonna go make coffee be back if i can't make it work ....thanks for help  ...bbl
[19:23] <recon_lap> do install disks no longer fit on CD's?
[19:24] <Unit193> Correct.
[19:24] <mzr> DVDs or usbs
[19:24] <recon_lap> see the bloat is spreading lol
[19:24] <mzr> Unit193: any idea if a bluray would have any glitches or hitches?
[19:25] <Unit193> mzr: ...No idea actually, though I'm not sure they're designed to do it.  Would be a bit of a waste of space though. :P
[19:26] <mzr> they must make rw's surely
[19:29] <recon_lap> ok, luckly I have a blank DVD , hope the old computer can read it now, it did not like booting from usb last time i tried that
[19:29] <Unit193> Other option is chain booting it with plop from a CD.
[19:30] <mzr> the fun part is writing, not reading recon
[19:30] <recon_lap> I hope it works, as the computer is in a different building
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[19:35] <recon_lap> right, DVD bruned, I'll be back with a report in a bit. later
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[20:34] <CountryfiedLinux> When is the release date for Xubuntu 14.04? Is that tomorrow also?
[21:00] <Naphatul> with 14.04 releasing tommorow, is anyone having an issue where after you type in your password when waking from suspend the screen turns off?
[21:01] <elfy> Naphatul: it's known
[21:01] <elfy> bug 1259339
[21:01] <ubottu> bug 1259339 in xfce4-power-manager "Xfce4 Power Manager does not restore screen power" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259339
[21:01] <Unit193> Switch to a TTY and restart lightdm.
[21:02] <elfy> Naphatul: also do you only get this issue when you've suspended by closing the lid ?
[21:02] <Naphatul> elfy, yes
[21:03] <elfy> k - thanks :) please mark the bug affects me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1259339/+affectsmetoo
[21:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1259339 in xfce4-power-manager "Xfce4 Power Manager does not restore screen power" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:03] <recon_lap> elfy: just to let you know, that installed with no issues. just one or two niggles I noticed
[21:04] <elfy> recon_lap: thanks - I assume you've got an LP account - can you report and comment them please :)
[21:05] <Naphatul> elfy, is this expected to be fixed soon?
[21:05] <recon_lap> well, mp3 support did not load off the CD , the icon for file operations appears corrupted and thundr managed to crash within two minutes :)
[21:06] <elfy> Naphatul: not in time for release
[21:07] <knome> recon_lap, ...report in launchpad.
[21:18] <recon_lap> think I'll do this tomorrow when I'm at the machine after I get it on the net.
[22:10] <peyam> Hi guys.. Does anyone know if 14.04 will be release now or tomorrow? during the day
[22:11] <elfy> peyam: the 17th at some point
[22:11] <peyam> it s now 17 th.
[22:12] <peyam> It's 00:12 and I wonder if I need to be awake. I have lots of things to do tomorrow and cant wait to give 14.04 a try :)
[22:15] <elfy> it will be released when it is released - sometime on the 17th
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[22:16] <peyam> elfy, I understand that sir. I was wondering about the exact time
[22:33] <Artemis3> well 17 utc?
[22:33] <Artemis3> peyam, lets have a look :3
[22:34] <Artemis3> not yet :)