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Riddellmorning manchicken 02:02
manchickenIs that what it is?02:02
manchickenI'm visiting my parents in Illinois, so it's 2102 here.02:02
Riddellmy testing all good tonight, going to bed now for a few hours, phone me if something is important (jriddell.org/contact.html)02:03
Riddellapachelogger: /news/kubuntu-14.04 misses any bugs or the like and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu could do with some content02:12
Riddellthere might be a potential match here02:12
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ScottKshadeslayer: OK (re PyQt4).  He's ack'ed it now, so we should take his version as a cherrypick for a zero day SRU.03:32
valorieI've upgraded all my machines to trusty, but do not have the cycles to do iso testing03:50
ScottKvalorie: Did you at least take credit for the upgrade test?04:02
valorieScottK: I looked but didn't see one04:03
ScottKvalorie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66761/testcases and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66762/testcases for amd64 and i386 respectively.04:04
ScottKThey are in a separate upgrade section, not in the Kubuntu section.04:04
valoriethanks, ScottK04:05
valorieodd that it still logs me in via u104:07
ScottKThe Ubuntu One SSO service isn't going away.04:08
valorieah, ok04:09
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apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, I am not sure what to write on release notes TBH06:47
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hsitterRiddell: the news has two bugs though06:48
hsitterwhich is all the bugs we had milestoned ^^06:48
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Kalidarnis kubuntu 14.10 media on the ftp yet?06:59
tsimpsonKalidarn: 14.10? come back to the present you time traveller07:12
Kalidarn14.04 rather lol07:12
tsimpsonit'll be released later today, along with the other *buntu flavours07:13
Quintasan\o07:19
apacheloggermy nephew just erased my todo board, I reckon 14.04 is perfect now - my board says so at least ;)07:56
valorieto be serious: if it is perfect (which I'm sure it will be) you have played a large part in that07:57
valorieapachelogger: there is "cat-buntu" which locks your keyboard07:57
apacheloggervalorie: :O08:02
* apachelogger broke errors.ubuntu.com xD08:02
valorieI'm in #ubuntu-release-party for the first time in years08:04
valoriepretty funny08:05
apacheloggerヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ RELEASE or RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ08:07
valoriethey are having their way with bourbon and the factoids08:08
apacheloggervalorie: tell them release or riot :P08:09
valoriebut I've been the voice of reason!08:11
valorieit will wreck my rep08:11
Riddellanyone other than me able to test i386?08:12
valorieI tested the upgrade08:12
Riddellooh lovely thanks08:14
Riddellshall I mark the images as releaseable then?08:15
valoriewell, I tested the upgrade, not the iso08:17
valorieup to you.... and it should be reported08:17
valoriemaybe I should report the other laptop successfully upgraded too08:17
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apacheloggerRiddell: I wrote some description for SC and Muon 08:37
apacheloggerneeds proofreadery plz08:37
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, I wast thinking about putting some description of the LTSyness as lead highlight08:38
valorieanything yu want me to proofread before i head to bed?08:44
ghostcubewill the final get kdeconnect 0.6 or is it frozen with 0.5?08:50
apacheloggerghostcube: we might SRU08:52
valorie!info kdeconnect trusty08:52
ubottukdeconnect (source: kdeconnect): connect smartphones to your KDE Plasma Workspace. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 259 kB, installed size 1660 kB08:52
apacheloggerit won't be on the 14.04.0 ISO though08:52
ghostcubeok thx :)08:53
ghostcubeupdate-manager still has trouble with locales for updating ... not fixed yet08:54
* Riddell proofreads09:07
valorieI hope I get up to a release so I can start seeding all the torrents09:13
valorie:-009:13
valorienighters all09:14
Riddellnight valorie 09:15
shadeslayerno one  tested non english full network support :/09:20
shadeslayerdid anyone test EFI installs?09:20
yofelhow the hell would non-english differ from enlish in network support o.O?09:20
yofelfun language this enlish is09:21
shadeslayerbecause we've had issues in the recent past ( ala funky unicode support ) with non english tests09:21
shadeslayeroh noes09:23
Riddellshadeslayer: EFI worked on my EFI laptop as far as I can tell (kubuntu loads, windows not but I believe that's a bug with sony firmware)09:23
shadeslayerRiddell: http://imgur.com/NvOmtyU09:23
shadeslayerlook at the sidebar09:23
shadeslayercompletely fucked it is09:24
Riddellyep, fallout from agateau's fix09:24
Riddellit fixes itself on other pages09:24
shadeslayertrue09:24
shadeslayerwell then09:25
Riddellshadeslayer: do report a bug09:25
shadeslayerseems like we have ourselves a release \o/09:25
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah doing now09:25
RiddellI tested "Non-English Live Session & Installation; Full Network Support" in French on i38609:25
shadeslayer<- Testing amd64 + Romanian09:25
agateauRiddell: oh sh*t09:25
agateauRiddell: I swear it did not behave that way during testing09:25
agateauRiddell: Is it too late for another fix?09:26
Riddellagateau: yep too late I'm afraid but it's hardly a disaster09:27
RiddellI'd rather this then the unreadable text you sometimes got before09:27
agateauRiddell: ok. I am going to fix it anyway, in the worse case it will be in next release09:28
Riddellagateau: but this is an LTS so there will be .1 respins so worth doing a fix if you can find out how09:28
Riddellovidiu-florin: how's the new website doing?09:28
agateauRiddell: the irony is I expected my fix would do something like that, and was surprised it did not :/09:29
Riddell10:09 < afiestas> http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/screenshots/plasma-4.10.png this picture produced problems  a few releases ago09:29
Riddell10:09 < afiestas> because it basically has a mockup of gwenview instead of gwenview itself09:29
Riddellapachelogger: we are using that image, can you see any problems?09:30
Riddellmuon offers "an altogether more refined experience" I'll expect it to serve me tea and scones :)09:31
agateauthat would make for a much better screenshot09:31
apacheloggerRiddell: it's what upstream used.09:32
apacheloggeragain09:32
apacheloggerchanging it is trivial though, so if upstream stop using that image we can change our use easily :P09:32
apacheloggerRiddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu09:33
apacheloggerthat rubbish should get written as crap changes09:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: Riddell thoughts on providing milou as a post release package for 14.04 ?09:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: what?09:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: vHanda is spinning a release, and I thought maybe we can SRU it as a source new package?09:33
apacheloggerOo09:33
apacheloggerno?09:34
yofelyou can get it into backports maybe, but that'll be about it09:34
shadeslayerwhy not? It's not on the ISO, it's a new package, so chances for a regression are low09:34
apacheloggerbecause it's a backport09:34
shadeslayerthere have been cases where a source new package was introduced post release09:34
apacheloggerlike?09:35
Riddellapachelogger: oh well done on writing release notes09:35
Riddellapachelogger: I'd add a link to the release announcement and milestoned bugs list09:35
apacheloggerRiddell: where?09:35
apacheloggerthe wiki notes?09:35
apacheloggerlink to announcement yes09:36
apacheloggerother than that no09:36
apacheloggerI treat that thing as glorified changelog09:36
apacheloggeras it is also as incomplete as a post-development changelog is -.-09:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: I don't have a link off the top of my head, but I vaguely recall things being introduced post release, but maybe they were provided via backports09:36
shadeslayerso is there precedent to get it backported then?09:36
apacheloggersure, ubuntu-backports has lots of precedents09:37
apacheloggerseeing as that's what the backport pocket is for :O09:37
agateauRiddell: some less insulting announcement thingy I put together some time ago: http://agateau.com/tmp/kde-4.12.gif09:37
agateau:)09:37
Riddellanimated gif! it's like 1999 :)09:40
apacheloggerthey are the latest hype in netculture don't you know09:41
apacheloggerRiddell: notes done now09:41
apacheloggeradd link to announcement and cleaned up bottom portion09:41
* Riddell high fives apachelogger 09:41
shadeslayeragateau: Riddell https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/130893109:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1308931 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[KDE] Ubiquity side bar is broken on the initial page for the KDE UI " [Undecided,New]09:41
shadeslayerI have to go now09:41
shadeslayercya in a hour or so09:42
BluesKaj'Morning folks09:44
alketGood morning10:01
apacheloggerif I read the announcement one more time I am going to cry10:08
Tm_Twhich announcement?10:10
apacheloggerTm_T: the one that is not out yet :P10:11
Riddellapachelogger: it's a work of perfection, you can look elsewhere10:11
ovidiu-florinhello world10:13
Riddellgood morning ovidiu-florin 10:13
lordievaderGood morning.10:13
ovidiu-florinRiddell: me and jose worked on the site yesterday10:13
Riddellisn't it a lovely morning for a release10:13
ovidiu-florinyou can take a look http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/10:14
ovidiu-florinthere are still a few things to be done10:14
apacheloggerRiddell: if only it was :P10:14
ovidiu-florinI still need to finish the Download page10:14
ovidiu-florinsomething blocks the blocs from expanding10:14
apacheloggerI totally don't like the amount of space we have int he current theme what with the silly sidebar being so huge10:14
apacheloggermakes it all seem somewhat eww10:14
apacheloggerwhich makes me think that thumbnail width needs to be reevaluated for the new site/theme10:15
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: when was the last time you looked at the site?10:15
apachelogger350px is definitely too wide for the old site10:15
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: yesterday when I sent the mail10:15
ovidiu-florinplease take another look10:15
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: the new language thing is 300000 % better10:15
apacheloggerand I absolutely approve the sidebarless news xD10:15
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: I love it10:17
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: I am not so sure about the background color though10:17
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: I don't really like it eighter10:17
ovidiu-florinahoneybun chose it10:17
apacheloggerahoneybun: choose another background color plz :P10:17
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/community broken10:18
apacheloggerhas archives at the top10:18
apacheloggeroh, I think you just broke it :P10:18
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: had*10:18
apachelogger^^10:18
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: for stress testing, please ask sysadmins for how many connections  kubuntu.org peaks at on a release day and how many on average in the peak hour (I guess)10:20
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: I'm still trying to get the Archives thing in the news somehow10:20
apacheloggerthen we can try to simulate that with AWS or something10:20
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: I'd put it somewhere at the bottom very hidden10:21
ovidiu-florincan we use Google Analytics on the new site?10:21
apacheloggerI don't find the archives all that useful10:21
apacheloggerpeople don't like google analytics10:21
apacheloggerso that probably should be dicsussed on the list first10:21
ovidiu-florinI like it10:21
ovidiu-florinI've been using it for a very long time10:22
Riddelldepends if you worry about gchq tracking your browsing or not10:22
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: download page seems broken in firefox10:22
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: it is broken everywhere10:23
ovidiu-florinI'm working on it10:23
apacheloggerah, ok10:23
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: archives in the footer for the news page10:23
ovidiu-florinjust the enws page10:23
ovidiu-florinwhat do you guys think?10:23
apacheloggercould work10:24
Tm_Tthe action in #ubuntu-release-party is fun, come and join!10:24
* Tm_T hides10:24
ovidiu-florinwhen will the release be?10:25
ovidiu-florinhome page still shows 13.1010:25
ovidiu-florinhttp://www.kubuntu.org/10:25
apacheloggerwhen it's ready10:26
apacheloggerRiddell: how do we change the banner artwork anyway?10:27
apacheloggerRiddell: poke sysadmins?10:27
Riddellapachelogger: on kubuntu.org?10:28
apacheloggeryeah10:28
Riddellneed to find the page to edit in drupal10:29
* Riddell searches10:29
apacheloggerah10:29
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I don't think it's a page10:29
ovidiu-florinit's an image10:29
ovidiu-florinwe can just replace the image10:29
Riddellapachelogger: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit10:29
apacheloggerRiddell: right, how do we upload the new image tho?10:31
apacheloggerI guess that needs sysadmin10:31
Riddellapachelogger: yep :(10:31
apacheloggerProgramming is hard. I'll go shopping.10:32
apacheloggerRiddell: please be poking10:33
Riddellhttp://test.kubuntu.co.uk/?p=4005&preview=true  (probably only ovidiu-florin can see it) release announcement looks a lot better in wordpress10:33
Riddellit doesn't filter the html10:33
apacheloggerRiddell: commented bit added10:33
apacheloggerdrupal doesn't filter either10:33
apacheloggerI think the wordpress theme is just way better10:34
Riddellapachelogger: that google+ thing at the bottom doesn't exist on drupal10:35
apacheloggerRiddell: I think that's because of admin tbh10:35
apacheloggerit worked when I added it to another page and look at it via www.10:35
Riddellhmm10:35
apacheloggerhttp://www.kubuntu.org/community10:36
apacheloggerhas the button on www. but not on admin10:36
apacheloggerRiddell: does it look decent at least, since I don't see it on admin I cannot really do the layout ^^10:37
apacheloggermight have to get adjusted after publishing10:37
Riddellapachelogger: looks good to me10:38
apacheloggerfor 14.10 we need to work out a social media strategy really10:40
* Riddell starts on a download page update10:42
apacheloggerProgramming is hard. I'll be shopping.10:43
Riddellapachelogger: I'm hoping wordpress has nice ways for posts to get sent to facebook/twitter/g+ magically10:43
apacheloggerwill be back in anhour or so10:43
Riddellenjoy10:43
jussiapachelogger: :D10:43
apacheloggerRiddell: we still need accounts, people with access to the accounts, and some sort of guideline what to post and where to post and a minimum activity of awesome10:44
apacheloggercurrently we have neither10:44
Riddellaccounts can be set up, it's the minimum activity that I'm worried about, and automatic posting from kubuntu.org and maybe kubuntu wire would do it10:44
Tm_TWordpress can publish posts in social media yes, needs some configuration though10:45
apacheloggerRiddell: that's not social10:45
apacheloggerthat's a glorified news feed10:45
apacheloggerwhile I reckon there's people interested in that, it does not really exploit the social aspect10:45
apacheloggerthe idea would be to engage the community10:45
apacheloggernot just throw news at it10:45
Riddellmm true10:45
Riddellhmm, one discussion we haven't had this cycle is whether to recommend 32 bit or 64 bit by default10:46
yofelhow's 32bit UEFI support?10:47
Riddellit doesn't work as I understand it10:48
Riddellwhich is one of the reasons ubuntu gave for deciding it couldn't be recommended for all10:48
yofelyeah :/10:49
yofelthere's no easy way to tell whether someone needs 32bit either10:49
sgclarkmorning Riddell: did you get my emails?10:51
Riddellsgclark: yes thanks, busy on release bits for now however, but yes a backport to saucy would be great10:52
Riddellproofreaders: how's this http://www.kubuntu.org/content/download-kubuntu10:52
sgclarkRiddell: I understand10:53
RiddellI wonder when U-series will get a name10:54
Riddellsgclark: if it builds in saucy with the default versions of gcc and g++ then great, just remove them from build-depends in debian/control and ensure its not set in debian/rules10:55
sgclarkRiddell: yeah it builds, ok will do, thank you10:56
yofelI love how Mark makes everyone's life annoying by delaying the name choosing to the point where it has to be SRU'd to the tools -.-10:58
Riddellapachelogger: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/images/kubuntu-14.04.png now exists11:01
ScottKRiddell: I didn't do a fresh i386 install, but I've done two upgrades.11:25
RiddellScottK: lovely, any issues with nepomuk/baloo?11:26
ScottKRiddell: Not directly.  Akonadi failed to start on the first try after upgrade on the one of the two that had significant mail on it.  It magically fixed itself, so I have a vague suspicion that it was because the migrator wasn't done yet, but that's only a guess.11:28
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ScottKEmail search definitely seems faster and my CPU doesn't seem to be hogged, so I'll call that a win.11:29
QuintasanIt's definitely faster11:30
QuintasanOr it's placebo on my side11:30
ScottKGotta run.11:32
ScottKCongratulations on the release.  Sorry I didn't have more time to help.11:32
Riddellthanks for testing11:32
jussiScottK: which backend for akonadi do you use ?11:33
Quintasanapachelogger, Riddell: Are preparations for next cycle complete?11:34
apacheloggerwe haven't even started11:35
shadeslayer^^11:36
Quintasanapachelogger: I'm talking about tasks and whatnot11:36
shadeslayerlets get this release out first :P11:36
apacheloggerwe cannot create tasks until we have a roadmap/plan11:36
Quintasanshadeslayer++ though11:36
shadeslayerRiddell: apachelogger everything looking good? Should I be concerned about anything11:36
apacheloggereverything11:36
yofelisn't the roadmap pretty much plasma next and playing around with wayland? ^^11:37
QuintasanI'm going to do the optional test on the iso tracker11:37
shadeslayerwell, I'd like to get some semblance of packages together 11:37
apacheloggeryofel: that's not a roadmap, the target is plasma next11:37
shadeslayerfor KF5 and PN11:37
apacheloggerso how do we get there :P11:37
shadeslayerwe throw the packages at apachelogger and see what comes out11:37
yofeloh right, the path was boring so I skipped it :P11:37
Quintasanlol11:37
apacheloggerRiddell: do we have an ETA yet?11:39
apacheloggeror rather... which flavor is blocking ^^11:39
apacheloggeris it us?11:39
apacheloggerdrupal is going to kill me11:44
apacheloggerRiddell: homepage is ready for swap as well11:45
Riddellapachelogger: kylin in blocking I believe11:46
* apachelogger leans back and sips wine11:49
apacheloggerit's release day, I am allowed to be drunk on release day, right?11:49
apacheloggerquite the word attitude11:49
Riddellyou are, and I suppose it is past midday now11:52
apacheloggerindeed11:54
* Riddell investigates blazemeter for stress testing11:54
apacheloggeroh on that note11:55
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apacheloggerah, nevermind11:57
apachelogger^^11:57
Riddellovidiu-florin: how did you get on with http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/getkubuntu ? can I copy over the 14.04 update for that page from the old site?11:57
Quintasanapachelogger: kylin, edu and ubuntu have respins11:57
RiddellQuintasan: I think that's old news11:58
apacheloggerQuintasan: you are old11:59
Riddellthey had respins and are now testing11:59
Quintasanwell11:59
Quintasanthat's topic in #ubuntu-release :P11:59
Quintasanapachelogger: I'm not old, yet ;_;11:59
RiddellQuintasan: from 12 hours ago11:59
Quintasanaah11:59
Quintasanmy bad11:59
Riddellthe question is what's for lunch12:01
QuintasanRiddell: I recommend beer12:04
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ovidiu-florinRiddell: you could, but better not do it yet12:32
ovidiu-florinit's still broken12:32
RiddellQuintasan: no beer until after release! irn bru for me12:42
Quintasanoh well12:42
apachelogger:O12:43
Riddellxnox: am I right in thinking there's a release sprint where much of the chat is happening?12:53
Riddellapachelogger: upstream has changed to a variant of agateau's gif from 1999, do we want to follow? http://dot.kde.org/2014/04/16/kde-releases-applications-and-development-platform-41312:55
* Riddell thinks it looks terrible12:56
apacheloggerRAWR12:56
apacheloggerroflmao12:56
agateauhu12:56
apacheloggerRiddell: let's pick the lead image form the announcement12:56
agateauthat was unexpected12:56
agateauRiddell: I can provide you the non-animated pictures if you want to pick one12:56
Riddellagateau: it's not the animation I dislike, it's the web-safe colours and lack of anti-aliasing12:57
agateauRiddell: that's because of the gif format12:57
agateauRiddell: original images are png and so do not suffer from that12:57
Riddellagateau: that could be interesting then12:58
agateauRiddell: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgateau%2Fpromopic-o-matic.git&a=tree&h=9604b56a80121aa7dc9120b0b46683b0c44ceceb&hb=d0e26d1a3c3c693472c6f88449d2fdde4102922a&f=full-size12:58
agateauah no12:58
agateauRiddell: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgateau%2Fpromopic-o-matic.git&a=tree&h=969df976c2a18ddb711a658eaab6313515c524a5&hb=d0e26d1a3c3c693472c6f88449d2fdde4102922a&f=out12:58
Riddellpromopic-o-matic?12:59
agateauI can be snarky, right?12:59
apacheloggerRiddell: should be changed12:59
apacheloggerRiddell: mind you, konqueror has weird caching12:59
apacheloggerI broke the party channel13:00
apacheloggerxD13:00
Riddellstay away from apachelogger, he's rioting13:04
apacheloggerall valorie's fault13:04
ghostcube#ubuntu-release-party13:05
ghostcubeor wat?13:05
apacheloggerya13:06
apacheloggerRiddell: preping g+ post13:06
apacheloggerRiddell: any suggestions for text?13:06
Riddellapachelogger: "The Harald for First Minister release"?13:07
apacheloggerwfm13:07
xnoxRiddell: no.13:08
xnoxRiddell: i did commute to the office, but i live in london.13:08
xnoxRiddell: all release team people are at home actually.13:08
Riddellah, laney's talk of hotel confusing me13:08
ghostcubeapachelogger: you got a quite in party?13:09
ghostcubemuahahahahaha13:09
apacheloggertold you, I broke the channel :P13:09
ghostcube:P13:09
Riddelloh meh I can't log into the wiki to update this image13:10
Riddellanyone logged into the wiki?13:10
Riddellmanchicken: come and join the party, you may have to look after apachelogger though if he gets too drunk13:11
manchickenheh13:12
apacheloggerRiddell: I should be logged in13:12
manchickenYou guys have all of your parties in Europe13:12
Riddellhoorah, it worked13:13
Riddellmanchicken: the Edinburgh party is just getting started, it looks a lot like a bunch of programmers sitting at desks13:15
apacheloggerlol13:15
Riddellapachelogger: you didn't add anything about LTS to the release page?13:15
apacheloggerRiddell: no, you did not come back on that13:15
apacheloggeror I did not see13:15
apacheloggerRiddell: fancy writing something?13:15
apacheloggergoing to look for a pic meanwhile13:16
RiddellI updated the pic to agateau's one on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.0413:16
apachelogger:O13:16
apacheloggerok13:18
Riddellhow's this?..13:18
Riddell<p>Long Term Support means bugfixes and security updates will be added for the next 5 years, so you can be safe to use it until 2019.  New releases of important KDE Software will also be available from the Kubuntu Updates and Kubuntu Backports PPAs.</p>13:18
apacheloggergood13:18
apacheloggerperhaps we should just  put the tahr head as pic next to it13:19
Riddellapachelogger: I just put in the banner on kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.0413:20
Riddellbut it's way too big13:20
Riddellneeds cropping13:20
apacheloggerah, that works as well13:20
apacheloggergood luck with the crop :P13:20
alketso kubuntu is ready ?13:20
apacheloggerkubuntu was ready yesterday13:20
Riddellalket: dunno did you test it yet?13:21
apacheloggerRiddell: manually crop and throw at wiki I guess?13:21
alketRiddell: I am testing for a week now, everything smooth and better then ever13:21
Riddellalket: if you didn't report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ it didn't happen :)13:21
Riddellapachelogger: krita skills here I come...13:21
apacheloggerRiddell: width 660px apparently13:22
apacheloggerRiddell: please save as jpeg though13:22
Riddellapachelogger: why?13:22
apacheloggeror at the very least pngcrush -brute orig output13:22
apacheloggerRiddell: we have almost 1mb of artwork assets on that page13:22
Riddelloh, who removed krita from the default install :(13:22
apacheloggerdarth vader!13:22
apacheloggerRiddell: use gwenview13:22
apacheloggermuch fastererer13:22
RiddellI just don't get the artistic cred if I use gwenview, there's only so much chin stroking you can do with it13:23
apacheloggerlol13:24
apacheloggerRiddell: cropped to 660 the png is 114k 13:24
apacheloggerRiddell: please save as jpeg13:24
apacheloggerthere is no noticable difference and the jpg is 16k13:24
Riddellcan gwenview do that?13:25
apacheloggersure13:25
* Riddell strokes chin13:25
apacheloggerfile -> save as13:25
apacheloggerin fact after you crop it will display a saveas button :P13:25
Riddellapachelogger: that does look very JPEGed https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.0413:27
apacheloggerRiddell: is that 660px?13:28
Riddellnope13:28
apacheloggerplease make it 66013:29
apacheloggerthis is funny13:29
apacheloggeryour jpg is like 2x worse than mine13:29
apacheloggeror maybe I am imagining things13:29
Riddellif you save it as jpeg and reload then it shows it with jpeg compression13:30
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/bno7DvL.png13:30
RiddellI don't see an option on how much jpeg compression to use13:30
apacheloggerRiddell: there's none13:30
Riddellboth those look nasty13:30
apacheloggerRiddell: perhaps use convert for that ^^13:30
apacheloggeror krita13:30
apacheloggerRiddell: the web is not really meant to not be nasty13:31
agateauthe thing is, did you start from a jpeg already?13:31
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apacheloggeragateau: no, was png13:32
agateauah not the reason then13:32
agateaubut yeah, Gwenview misses a "jpeg compression" setting13:32
* apachelogger loves how plasma tends to freeze when trying to drop images13:33
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/ywC2msh.png riddell's jpg vs. png13:33
Riddellapachelogger: how's this? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.0413:33
apacheloggerRiddell: did you just upscale that jpg?13:34
apacheloggerwait13:34
apacheloggercaching13:34
apacheloggerman13:34
apacheloggercaching in konqueror is really annoying13:34
Riddellyep, konqueror caching here too13:35
Riddelleven though it can view the image standalone fine13:35
apacheloggerit doesn't help to clean the cache13:35
apacheloggeryou have to actually restart konqueror to get it uncached13:35
apacheloggerRiddell: much better13:36
alketdoesnt shift refresh clear the cache for that page13:36
apacheloggernot in konqueror13:38
Riddellgenius amusing twitter post https://twitter.com/Steffen_QSO4YOU/status/454666746780057600/photo/113:44
apacheloggerxD13:44
apacheloggerahhh the time we used to have CDs13:45
Riddella usb drive just wouldn't look as good as a grinder blade13:45
shadeslayer\o13:47
apacheloggershadeslayer: your time estimates are rubbish mate :P13:47
Peace-apachelogger: who is the guy that has made widget menu bar ?13:48
apacheloggerPeace-: canonical13:48
Peace-o shit13:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: eh, nope, I was back after an hour, then we went lunching13:48
apacheloggerwhat's a widget menu bar?13:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: lol13:48
shadeslayer:)13:48
Peace-xD13:48
apacheloggeryou're like the release team :P13:48
shadeslayerand then we started playing table tennis13:49
Peace-apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopE15715.png the menu on the panel 13:49
Peace-apachelogger: anyway with krita doesn't work good and with firefox too13:49
apacheloggercanonical13:49
apacheloggerunless that was a spare time project, which I think it wasn't13:50
Peace-sigh so no way that it will be fixed13:50
apacheloggerterribly unlikely I fear, unless someone picks it up13:51
* shadeslayer tickles apachelogger and runs away13:52
apacheloggerthere he goes again13:52
shadeslayerbtw is there an ETA for announcement?13:53
alketshadeslayer: it something between 8 hours :D13:53
apacheloggershadeslayer: nah, everything is ready apparently13:54
Riddellshadeslayer: seems infinity likes to keep us guessing13:55
shadeslayerpft13:56
Riddellbut I said I'd take nim to the beach this evening so I'm hoping it'll be in the next three hours :)13:56
shadeslayerI guess I'll go write a blog post or sth13:56
alketlol13:56
Riddellshadeslayer: apachelogger: either of you compiled plasma next since the split? what needs doing?13:57
apacheloggerwhich of the splits?13:57
apacheloggereverything needs doing13:57
shadeslayer^^13:57
apacheloggerthere's essentially like 20 or 30 new packages13:57
apacheloggerafk for 15 minutes or so13:58
Riddellapachelogger: kde-runtime and kde-workspace, I'm mostly interested in what parts of kdeframeworks need an update first I guess13:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: Riddell http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-release-on-3.png14:01
apacheloggerRiddell: everything in frameworks14:10
apacheloggerRiddell: most notibly kde4support was renamed to kdelibs4support14:10
Riddellapachelogger: hmm14:10
apacheloggerI think there was another rename, but I do not know which one14:10
apacheloggermaybe I am imagining14:10
apacheloggerbut to go anywhere near plasma next one needs to first have a new frameworks14:11
Riddellmm14:11
RiddellI need to cancel the alpha then but I'm scared of sebas being grumpy at me when he gets back :)14:12
apacheloggerfrom there it's just a gigantic bootstrap to plasma-workspace (which pretty much requires everything workspace split into)14:12
apacheloggerRiddell: plasma next alpha tars?14:12
Riddellapachelogger: yep14:12
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, that first needs a new frameworks release14:13
apacheloggerRiddell: best send a mail to frameworks-devel I guess14:13
Riddellapachelogger: well I asked ervin and he said no way until may14:16
Riddellso plasma would be best waiting until the scheduled beta the week after KF514:16
apacheloggerRiddell: that's my thought as well, releasing plasma before frameworks reaches a somewhat advanced freeze state only results in people waisting time14:18
apacheloggerlike when a framework is renamed (again) distros would have to retwiddle all the deps14:19
Elv1313Hello, can someone ( Riddell ? ) apply the patch for Bug #1303897 ?14:23
ubottubug 1303897 in sflphone (Ubuntu Trusty) "sflphone-kde may hang on startup with some contact topologies" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130389714:23
joseRiddell: hey, I'm seeing we'll have a problem with posts containing a dot in their links unless a redirect is set somehow, and I see a *lot* of posts with dots in their permalinks14:27
Riddelljose: yep, I was hoping an apache rewrite rule would do it14:32
RiddellElv1313: put it on the todo list14:33
joseI'll talk with ovidiu-florin to see what can we do14:34
Elv1313Riddell: thanks. I am the dev for this, you don't need to review anything, please just apply it as soon as you have a millisecond. I got quite a few emails for this (admittedly face palm bug)14:34
BluesKajrumours abound in the #ubuntu-release-party chat that the release has been delayed by canonical.... guess some ppl like like planting seeds of doubt 14:39
Elv1313Riddell: By the way, early warning, there will be a security patchset comming next month for sflphone-{KDE, Gnome,QML} (certification validation issue)14:41
Riddellgotcha14:42
shadeslayerRiddell: I see a random number on kubuntu.org14:53
shadeslayer214:53
shadeslayer:O15:03
shadeslayerdid someone change the pass on admin.kubuntu.org?15:03
manchickenSo when are we going to have a party in DC?15:03
manchickenI can actually afford to go there.15:03
manchickenI'll even bring the beer.15:03
shadeslayeroh nvm15:03
josehey Riddell, I was discussing some changes on the website with ovidiu yesterday, I don't know if you have some time so we can talk about hem15:20
josethem*15:20
Riddelljose: sure15:21
joseso, we were checking the 'donate' page and thought about putting that information on the contribute page, as donating is a form of contributing15:21
joseand use that space in the donate page to put a page called 'our team' or something similar, where we can put the sponsors logos and pictures of people on the team15:22
josemaybe some links to their blogs or websites or something15:22
joseI don't know what you think about it?15:22
Riddellpictures of people on the team sounds fun but we'd need to be careful to keep it up to date and there's tricky questions of when you do add or remove someone15:24
josehmm, that's rigt15:30
joseand I'm not entirely sure of what the criteria would be15:31
Riddellapachelogger, shadeslayer: if I need to run off would you guys be able to handle the release?15:37
shadeslayersure15:37
RiddellI'll wait around for half an hour15:38
RiddellScottK: bug 1303897 for your sru review to keep Elv1313 happy (presumably once the archive is properly closed)15:39
ubottubug 1303897 in sflphone (Ubuntu Trusty) "sflphone-kde may hang on startup with some contact topologies" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130389715:39
Elv1313:P15:40
RiddellElv1313: this needs ScottK or another sru person to accept, then for it to be verified by someone sensible then a week to pass, then an sru person to copy to -updates15:41
apacheloggersays sure but doesn't even know what needs doing ^^15:41
Riddellcopy /content/download-kubuntu15:43
Riddell to getkubuntu15:43
Riddellclick publish on news/kubuntu-14.0415:44
Riddellupdate front page with banner15:44
Riddellhttps://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit15:44
Riddellparty15:44
shadeslayerall I hear is party15:44
shadeslayeractually15:44
Riddelle-mails to kubuntu-devel and kubuntu-users and g+ and blog posting all good too15:44
shadeslayerRiddell: I can't login to admin.kubuntu.org15:44
apacheloggeroh mind you15:44
apacheloggerI have nto preped emails15:44
Elv1313Riddell: xnox said he may do it 2 weeks ago, he merged the other half of the request ( bug #1299967 ) yesterday (thanks for that btw)15:44
lordievader\o/15:44
Riddellthat's because it's www-admin.kubuntu.org15:44
ubottubug 1299967 in sflphone (Ubuntu Trusty) "sflphone do not start" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129996715:44
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah I'm at https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/user15:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: please be preping emails15:45
shadeslayerand I can't log in15:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: okie dokie15:45
apacheloggernevermind the website15:45
apacheloggerI've got that covered15:45
shadeslayerokay15:45
* Riddell spots http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/15:59
Riddellshadeslayer: ↑15:59
shadeslayerdownloading15:59
Odurwhat? 14.04? \o/16:00
Riddellssh16:01
BluesKajfor kubuntu16:01
Riddellit's all still syncing16:01
shadeslayer^^16:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-14.0416:03
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^16:03
shadeslayeroh16:03
shadeslayerneeds download links16:03
Riddellshadeslayer: updated16:13
shadeslayercheers16:14
Riddellapachelogger: shadeslayer: looks like #ubuntu-release is still having fun, time for me to run off for a few hours, release is in your hands :)16:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: I'm afk from the keyboard for a bit, call me on skype if I'm required?16:19
agateaushadeslayer: Riddell: fix for the sidebar bug in installer: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-broken-sidebar-layout-on-greeter/+merge/21636516:21
vgezershadeslayer: is this also the announcement on website? I am going to translate this if this is the case and publish on Tr website16:26
vgezeri mean at the same time :)16:26
shadeslayerback16:45
shadeslayervgezer: no, that's for the mailing lists16:45
shadeslayeragateau: yay17:00
vgezershadeslayer: i see. are there any drafts for the website yet?17:05
shadeslayervgezer: I think so, apachelogger ^^17:05
apacheloggervgezer: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.0417:06
vgezerapachelogger: thanks, but unfortunately I don't have access to that :/17:07
apacheloggerwill have to wait then17:07
apacheloggernot at pc right now17:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: should I give vgezer credentials?17:09
shadeslayeror text?17:09
apacheloggertext17:09
apacheloggerif you can access it now :P17:09
shadeslayerI can17:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: did you see the email notes?17:14
apacheloggeryeah17:17
apacheloggerI have not read it tho :P17:17
doctorpepperhi guys ! 17:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: good enough ;)17:20
doctorpepperwhen will kde 4.13  be available for precise users ? 17:26
shadeslayerdoctorpepper: no plans to backport sc 4.13 to 12.0417:29
shadeslayerplease upgrade to next lts17:29
doctorpepperok17:29
shadeslayersigh17:47
* shadeslayer is still waiting17:47
* yofel sends shadeslayer a cup of coffee17:47
shadeslayermmm coffee17:47
* shadeslayer builds frameworks meanwhile17:47
apacheloggershadeslayer: when you are done with work go home :P17:48
* genii prepares a fresh pot of it17:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: well, waiting for someone to give me the greenlight to publish things17:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: I can pushy17:48
shadeslayercan't go home before that can I17:48
apacheloggerwell, I already am home, so I don't need to go anywhere anyway :P17:48
shadeslayerheh true17:49
shadeslayerI'll wait for another 20-25 minutes17:49
apacheloggeralso unlike jr I don't promise dates on release day17:49
apachelogger;)17:49
shadeslayerheh17:49
starbuck1has UBUNTU been reelased yet?17:57
starbuck1or is South African time still in the morning? ;)17:57
apacheloggernot released yet17:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: please gimme op in #kubuntu though17:58
apacheloggerfor topic17:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok17:58
apacheloggerthanks17:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: btw, you can tell chanserv to simply give out op ^^17:59
apacheloggermsg chanserv op #channel nick18:00
shadeslayerI know :)18:00
shadeslayeroh18:00
shadeslayeryou mean I don't have to op myself?18:00
apacheloggeryeah18:00
shadeslayerah I see18:00
shadeslayerdidn't know18:00
apacheloggermost handy18:00
shadeslayerstarbuck1: ISO's are appearing on the server and other places though18:01
shadeslayerI also spot cj and other release team members doing final prep https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlcKiVhCEAAYaX_.jpg:large18:01
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Sweet. | Suspense
shadeslayerheh18:04
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Sweet. | Magic happening behind the scenes
shadeslayerokay, I'm going to head home and publish my blog post from there18:05
shadeslayerhave a fun release ^_^18:05
apachelogger:S18:06
joseshadeslayer, apachelogger: it's released now, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html18:07
shadeslayeroh18:08
apacheloggerjose: cheers18:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: go go go18:08
yofel\o/18:08
josequick! /me writes on the fridge18:08
apacheloggerI don't actually see a kubuntu iso18:09
yofelyeah o.O18:10
shadeslayerI see MD5SUMS18:10
shadeslayerlol?18:10
shadeslayerhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/18:10
apacheloggerstill rsyncing I guess18:11
joseweird18:11
joseshould be18:11
apacheloggerwas completely empty a minute ago ^^18:11
shadeslayeryeah18:11
apacheloggergoing to wait for all images to be available before pushing the website changes18:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: FWIW links work18:13
shadeslayerjust not listed18:13
apacheloggerfair enough18:13
shadeslayervoila http://kshadeslayer.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/a-shiny-new-release-fresh-out-of-the-oven/18:13
Kalidarngah i hate that meme18:14
Kalidarnso overused lol18:14
shadeslayerhaters gonna hate18:14
Kalidarnlol18:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: do you want me to send out the email?18:14
shadeslayerkubuntu-devel + kubuntu-user?18:15
Kalidarni'm not subscribed to either of those lists, i guess i should18:15
shadeslayeroh my18:16
shadeslayerThe requested URL /kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/kubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso was not found on this server.18:16
shadeslayer:/18:16
shadeslayerwth is happening?18:16
shadeslayerand now it works /o\18:17
apacheloggerlol18:17
Kalidarnshadeslayer: there's chewcksums ;)18:17
apacheloggercdimage.ubuntu exploding18:17
Kalidarnu can play with those18:17
shadeslayer^^18:17
apacheloggersomeone please poke infinity about that18:18
Kalidarnwhile u wait18:18
yofel#ubuntu-release is working on the images18:18
Kalidarnyeah i'm already on 14.04 so im not worried :P18:18
apacheloggerI wouldn't know there so much unrelated chatter going on18:18
Kalidarnyeah people confuse ubuntu-release for "ask about ubuntu"18:18
Kalidarni saw that guy get banned before :P18:18
yofel"quantum state of existence" :D18:19
yofelneed to remember that18:19
Kalidarnshould just make the channel +m18:19
Kalidarnso have they decided on the animal for 14.10 yet?18:20
shadeslayerNo name yet18:21
apacheloggerwebsite changes pushed18:21
apacheloggergoing to hold off on other announcements until the ISOs are more stable I guess18:21
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Sweet. | Congratulations to an excellent release everyone!
Kalidarnthey should call it urutu :P18:22
Kalidarnubuntu urutu imagine saying that quickly.18:22
joseI think they should call it Unstable Unicorn18:23
Kalidarnunicorn!18:23
Kalidarnyes18:23
Kalidarnif they did that jose nobody would use it on release18:23
josethen Unity-ish Unicorn?18:23
shadeslayerso far I've published and unpublished my blog twice :P18:23
apacheloggerlol18:24
apacheloggerat least it does not time out as much as our site I guess18:24
shadeslayer^_%18:24
apacheloggeror maybe kio_http is screwing with me18:24
apacheloggertook me like 10 minutes to get the website changes live18:24
joselooks like cdimages.ubuntu.com is exploding, that's the prob18:25
apacheloggerrelease days are awesome ^^18:26
shadeslayer^^18:26
josespecially for LTSs :)18:26
* shadeslayer switches servers for the next 2 weeks18:28
joseI need to re-partition my system... the space I have on / is not enough for do-release-upgrade18:29
apacheloggersocial media sorted18:37
apacheloggerMamarok, claydoh: please moderate shadeslayer on kubuntu-users18:38
dmatthi, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu has an error in link to 64 bi bittorent18:38
shadeslayerI got a report about that too, but it works for me18:39
shadeslayerdmatt: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/18:39
dmattcorrect one is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/14.04LTS18:39
apacheloggerdmatt: thank you18:39
dmattapachelogger: actually, the correction in link is for "Upgrade Kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 LTS"18:42
apacheloggeryeah I figured ^^18:42
apacheloggerthe present link seems to be what you posted though18:43
dmattno, it is 12.04 an not 14.04 at the end 18:43
apacheloggerdmatt: the page is about upgrading *from* 12.04 to *14.04/Trusty*18:44
apacheloggerso the url is correct18:44
shadeslayerok, bye now :)18:44
Kalidarnwere there ever amd+mac images for kubuntu?18:46
dmattapachelogger: yes I see all is working now and that's important18:47
dmattnevermind, thank you all for the work on Kubuntu, I use it for years now18:48
apacheloggerdmatt: have fun with 14.04 :)18:49
QuintasanReinstall time? Reinstall time!19:15
vgezeromg. I completed translation like 1 hour ago, but needed to restart due to my configuration which was trying to use non-existant swap :D19:15
vgezerso had to translate *everything* from scratch :/19:15
nixternalwhat's up peeps! congrats & good job on the new release!19:16
claydohhey nixternal!19:23
nixternalwasabi claydoh!19:24
soeeguys, congratulation for all :) great release 14.0419:24
manchickenHowdy nixternal19:38
manchickenI'm in your timezone!19:39
nixternalyou still down in hillbilly land?19:39
manchickenUntil Sunday, then I go back to the right coast.19:39
nixternaldid you move out there?19:40
manchickenYeah, Fairfax, VA.19:40
manchickenTook a job at ThinkGeek.19:40
nixternaloh yeah, i saw that actually, i think linkedin maybe19:42
nixternali do not miss living in DC or southern MD19:42
manchickenMD seems a bit shit, I haven't found any places there I liked.19:44
manchickenI like living close to the mountains though.19:44
nixternalYeah, but I don't really consider them mountains in that area. If you get up north a little or southern VA, then you will see some mountains19:45
manchickenI live right on the I-66 corridor west of Fairfax County.19:45
manchickenI get a panoramic view of what I currently believe to be the blue ridge mountains.19:45
nixternalahh, yeah it is really pretty out there19:46
manchickenYeah.19:47
manchickenAnd the roads are fantastic.19:47
manchickenLots of running, too.19:47
manchickenEvery once in a while I go north to Reston to run with people.19:47
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1309150] package account-plugin-salut (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309150 (by Willem Hobers)20:00
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1309151] package account-plugin-salut (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309151 (by Willem Hobers)20:00
claydohwow almost 300 seeds on the iso torrent ;)21:21
Riddellyo yo yo21:22
Riddellwhat's up?21:22
alkethey Riddell many thanks for this great release.21:22
ronnocditto ^21:23
Riddell:)21:23
ronnocSeeding the torrents now \m/21:23
RiddellI think you should thank the lovely contibutors21:23
Riddellapachelogger did loads21:23
Riddelland shadeslayer was on a roll21:23
Riddellyofel and Quintasan kept helping out all over21:24
RiddellScottK kept the policy in line21:24
Riddellvalorie and ahoneybun got the new docs working21:24
Riddellwho have I forgotten?21:24
Riddelljose poking all the sysadmins21:25
* ronnoc applauds apachelogger, shadeslayer, and everyone else. I know it's a herculean effort and takes a lot of ppl power to get it done and done right 21:25
alketwhy does ubuntu recommends 64 bit and kubuntu 32 bit ? is there something to do with kde ?21:28
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Riddellalket: no it's because we haven't been brave enough to decide to change it21:30
jackyWait really?21:39
Riddellreally what?21:40
ronnocok so I'm seeding the torrents and also uploaded both .torrent files to linuxtracker.org :)22:17
ronnochttp://linuxtracker.org/?page=torrent-details&id=ab97a7bca78f2628380e6609a8241a7fb02aa98122:19
* Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/04/17/trust-trusty-1404-lts22:19
valorieronnoc, what does that second bit do?22:24
* valorie seeds all the *buntu torrents22:24
Riddellseems upgrade notification isn't turned on for some reason at the server, so added back kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS22:36
Riddellhmm, something called gvfsd-metadata was doing lots of disk accesses22:47
ronnocfor linuxtracker.org? It's a collective directory of nothing but Linux torrents22:50
ronnocvalorie: ^22:50
Riddellit's the piratebay of distros :)22:52
* Riddell snoozes, well done on a lovely release all22:52
ronnoclol Riddell 23:11
ronnocshhh the NSA is watching 23:12

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