=== Don is now known as Guest72198 [02:02] morning manchicken [02:02] Is that what it is? [02:02] I'm visiting my parents in Illinois, so it's 2102 here. [02:03] my testing all good tonight, going to bed now for a few hours, phone me if something is important (jriddell.org/contact.html) [02:12] apachelogger: /news/kubuntu-14.04 misses any bugs or the like and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu could do with some content [02:12] there might be a potential match here === Hypnotoad is now known as Guest89873 [03:32] shadeslayer: OK (re PyQt4). He's ack'ed it now, so we should take his version as a cherrypick for a zero day SRU. [03:50] I've upgraded all my machines to trusty, but do not have the cycles to do iso testing [04:02] valorie: Did you at least take credit for the upgrade test? [04:03] ScottK: I looked but didn't see one [04:04] valorie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66761/testcases and http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66762/testcases for amd64 and i386 respectively. [04:04] They are in a separate upgrade section, not in the Kubuntu section. [04:05] thanks, ScottK [04:07] odd that it still logs me in via u1 [04:08] The Ubuntu One SSO service isn't going away. [04:09] ah, ok === TheDrums is now known as TheMaster === TheMaster is now known as DalekSec [06:47] Riddell: yeah, I am not sure what to write on release notes TBH === apachelogger is now known as hsitter [06:48] Riddell: the news has two bugs though [06:48] which is all the bugs we had milestoned ^^ === hsitter is now known as apachelogger [06:59] is kubuntu 14.10 media on the ftp yet? [07:12] Kalidarn: 14.10? come back to the present you time traveller [07:12] 14.04 rather lol [07:13] it'll be released later today, along with the other *buntu flavours [07:19] \o [07:56] my nephew just erased my todo board, I reckon 14.04 is perfect now - my board says so at least ;) [07:57] to be serious: if it is perfect (which I'm sure it will be) you have played a large part in that [07:57] apachelogger: there is "cat-buntu" which locks your keyboard [08:02] valorie: :O [08:02] * apachelogger broke errors.ubuntu.com xD [08:04] I'm in #ubuntu-release-party for the first time in years [08:05] pretty funny [08:07] ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ RELEASE or RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ [08:08] they are having their way with bourbon and the factoids [08:09] valorie: tell them release or riot :P [08:11] but I've been the voice of reason! [08:11] it will wreck my rep [08:12] anyone other than me able to test i386? [08:12] I tested the upgrade [08:14] ooh lovely thanks [08:15] shall I mark the images as releaseable then? [08:17] well, I tested the upgrade, not the iso [08:17] up to you.... and it should be reported [08:17] maybe I should report the other laptop successfully upgraded too === popey_ is now known as popey [08:37] Riddell: I wrote some description for SC and Muon [08:37] needs proofreadery plz [08:38] Riddell: btw, I wast thinking about putting some description of the LTSyness as lead highlight [08:44] anything yu want me to proofread before i head to bed? [08:50] will the final get kdeconnect 0.6 or is it frozen with 0.5? [08:52] ghostcube: we might SRU [08:52] !info kdeconnect trusty [08:52] kdeconnect (source: kdeconnect): connect smartphones to your KDE Plasma Workspace. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 259 kB, installed size 1660 kB [08:52] it won't be on the 14.04.0 ISO though [08:53] ok thx :) [08:54] update-manager still has trouble with locales for updating ... not fixed yet [09:07] * Riddell proofreads [09:13] I hope I get up to a release so I can start seeding all the torrents [09:13] :-0 [09:14] nighters all [09:15] night valorie [09:20] no one tested non english full network support :/ [09:20] did anyone test EFI installs? [09:20] how the hell would non-english differ from enlish in network support o.O? [09:21] fun language this enlish is [09:21] because we've had issues in the recent past ( ala funky unicode support ) with non english tests [09:23] oh noes [09:23] shadeslayer: EFI worked on my EFI laptop as far as I can tell (kubuntu loads, windows not but I believe that's a bug with sony firmware) [09:23] Riddell: http://imgur.com/NvOmtyU [09:23] look at the sidebar [09:24] completely fucked it is [09:24] yep, fallout from agateau's fix [09:24] it fixes itself on other pages [09:24] true [09:25] well then [09:25] shadeslayer: do report a bug [09:25] seems like we have ourselves a release \o/ [09:25] Riddell: yeah doing now [09:25] I tested "Non-English Live Session & Installation; Full Network Support" in French on i386 [09:25] <- Testing amd64 + Romanian [09:25] Riddell: oh sh*t [09:25] Riddell: I swear it did not behave that way during testing [09:26] Riddell: Is it too late for another fix? [09:27] agateau: yep too late I'm afraid but it's hardly a disaster [09:27] I'd rather this then the unreadable text you sometimes got before [09:28] Riddell: ok. I am going to fix it anyway, in the worse case it will be in next release [09:28] agateau: but this is an LTS so there will be .1 respins so worth doing a fix if you can find out how [09:28] ovidiu-florin: how's the new website doing? [09:29] Riddell: the irony is I expected my fix would do something like that, and was surprised it did not :/ [09:29] 10:09 < afiestas> http://kde.org/announcements/4.10/screenshots/plasma-4.10.png this picture produced problems a few releases ago [09:29] 10:09 < afiestas> because it basically has a mockup of gwenview instead of gwenview itself [09:30] apachelogger: we are using that image, can you see any problems? [09:31] muon offers "an altogether more refined experience" I'll expect it to serve me tea and scones :) [09:31] that would make for a much better screenshot [09:32] Riddell: it's what upstream used. [09:32] again [09:32] changing it is trivial though, so if upstream stop using that image we can change our use easily :P [09:33] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu [09:33] that rubbish should get written as crap changes [09:33] apachelogger: Riddell thoughts on providing milou as a post release package for 14.04 ? [09:33] shadeslayer: what? [09:33] apachelogger: vHanda is spinning a release, and I thought maybe we can SRU it as a source new package? [09:33] Oo [09:34] no? [09:34] you can get it into backports maybe, but that'll be about it [09:34] why not? It's not on the ISO, it's a new package, so chances for a regression are low [09:34] because it's a backport [09:34] there have been cases where a source new package was introduced post release [09:35] like? [09:35] apachelogger: oh well done on writing release notes [09:35] apachelogger: I'd add a link to the release announcement and milestoned bugs list [09:35] Riddell: where? [09:35] the wiki notes? [09:36] link to announcement yes [09:36] other than that no [09:36] I treat that thing as glorified changelog [09:36] as it is also as incomplete as a post-development changelog is -.- [09:36] apachelogger: I don't have a link off the top of my head, but I vaguely recall things being introduced post release, but maybe they were provided via backports [09:36] so is there precedent to get it backported then? [09:37] sure, ubuntu-backports has lots of precedents [09:37] seeing as that's what the backport pocket is for :O [09:37] Riddell: some less insulting announcement thingy I put together some time ago: http://agateau.com/tmp/kde-4.12.gif [09:37] :) [09:40] animated gif! it's like 1999 :) [09:41] they are the latest hype in netculture don't you know [09:41] Riddell: notes done now [09:41] add link to announcement and cleaned up bottom portion [09:41] * Riddell high fives apachelogger [09:41] agateau: Riddell https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1308931 [09:41] Launchpad bug 1308931 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[KDE] Ubiquity side bar is broken on the initial page for the KDE UI " [Undecided,New] [09:41] I have to go now [09:42] cya in a hour or so [09:44] 'Morning folks [10:01] Good morning [10:08] if I read the announcement one more time I am going to cry [10:10] which announcement? [10:11] Tm_T: the one that is not out yet :P [10:11] apachelogger: it's a work of perfection, you can look elsewhere [10:13] hello world [10:13] good morning ovidiu-florin [10:13] Good morning. [10:13] Riddell: me and jose worked on the site yesterday [10:13] isn't it a lovely morning for a release [10:14] you can take a look http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/ [10:14] there are still a few things to be done [10:14] Riddell: if only it was :P [10:14] I still need to finish the Download page [10:14] something blocks the blocs from expanding [10:14] I totally don't like the amount of space we have int he current theme what with the silly sidebar being so huge [10:14] makes it all seem somewhat eww [10:15] which makes me think that thumbnail width needs to be reevaluated for the new site/theme [10:15] apachelogger: when was the last time you looked at the site? [10:15] 350px is definitely too wide for the old site [10:15] ovidiu-florin: yesterday when I sent the mail [10:15] please take another look [10:15] ovidiu-florin: the new language thing is 300000 % better [10:15] and I absolutely approve the sidebarless news xD [10:17] ovidiu-florin: I love it [10:17] ovidiu-florin: I am not so sure about the background color though [10:17] apachelogger: I don't really like it eighter [10:17] ahoneybun chose it [10:17] ahoneybun: choose another background color plz :P [10:18] ovidiu-florin: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/community broken [10:18] has archives at the top [10:18] oh, I think you just broke it :P [10:18] apachelogger: had* [10:18] ^^ [10:20] ovidiu-florin: for stress testing, please ask sysadmins for how many connections kubuntu.org peaks at on a release day and how many on average in the peak hour (I guess) [10:20] apachelogger: I'm still trying to get the Archives thing in the news somehow [10:20] then we can try to simulate that with AWS or something [10:21] ovidiu-florin: I'd put it somewhere at the bottom very hidden [10:21] can we use Google Analytics on the new site? [10:21] I don't find the archives all that useful [10:21] people don't like google analytics [10:21] so that probably should be dicsussed on the list first [10:21] I like it [10:22] I've been using it for a very long time [10:22] depends if you worry about gchq tracking your browsing or not [10:22] ovidiu-florin: download page seems broken in firefox [10:23] apachelogger: it is broken everywhere [10:23] I'm working on it [10:23] ah, ok [10:23] apachelogger: archives in the footer for the news page [10:23] just the enws page [10:23] what do you guys think? [10:24] could work [10:24] the action in #ubuntu-release-party is fun, come and join! [10:24] * Tm_T hides [10:25] when will the release be? [10:25] home page still shows 13.10 [10:25] http://www.kubuntu.org/ [10:26] when it's ready [10:27] Riddell: how do we change the banner artwork anyway? [10:27] Riddell: poke sysadmins? [10:28] apachelogger: on kubuntu.org? [10:28] yeah [10:29] need to find the page to edit in drupal [10:29] * Riddell searches [10:29] ah [10:29] Riddell: I don't think it's a page [10:29] it's an image [10:29] we can just replace the image [10:29] apachelogger: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/node/162/edit [10:31] Riddell: right, how do we upload the new image tho? [10:31] I guess that needs sysadmin [10:31] apachelogger: yep :( [10:32] Programming is hard. I'll go shopping. [10:33] Riddell: please be poking [10:33] http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/?p=4005&preview=true (probably only ovidiu-florin can see it) release announcement looks a lot better in wordpress [10:33] it doesn't filter the html [10:33] Riddell: commented bit added [10:33] drupal doesn't filter either [10:34] I think the wordpress theme is just way better [10:35] apachelogger: that google+ thing at the bottom doesn't exist on drupal [10:35] Riddell: I think that's because of admin tbh [10:35] it worked when I added it to another page and look at it via www. [10:35] hmm [10:36] http://www.kubuntu.org/community [10:36] has the button on www. but not on admin [10:37] Riddell: does it look decent at least, since I don't see it on admin I cannot really do the layout ^^ [10:37] might have to get adjusted after publishing [10:38] apachelogger: looks good to me [10:40] for 14.10 we need to work out a social media strategy really [10:42] * Riddell starts on a download page update [10:43] Programming is hard. I'll be shopping. [10:43] apachelogger: I'm hoping wordpress has nice ways for posts to get sent to facebook/twitter/g+ magically [10:43] will be back in anhour or so [10:43] enjoy [10:43] apachelogger: :D [10:44] Riddell: we still need accounts, people with access to the accounts, and some sort of guideline what to post and where to post and a minimum activity of awesome [10:44] currently we have neither [10:44] accounts can be set up, it's the minimum activity that I'm worried about, and automatic posting from kubuntu.org and maybe kubuntu wire would do it [10:45] Wordpress can publish posts in social media yes, needs some configuration though [10:45] Riddell: that's not social [10:45] that's a glorified news feed [10:45] while I reckon there's people interested in that, it does not really exploit the social aspect [10:45] the idea would be to engage the community [10:45] not just throw news at it [10:45] mm true [10:46] hmm, one discussion we haven't had this cycle is whether to recommend 32 bit or 64 bit by default [10:47] how's 32bit UEFI support? [10:48] it doesn't work as I understand it [10:48] which is one of the reasons ubuntu gave for deciding it couldn't be recommended for all [10:49] yeah :/ [10:49] there's no easy way to tell whether someone needs 32bit either [10:51] morning Riddell: did you get my emails? [10:52] sgclark: yes thanks, busy on release bits for now however, but yes a backport to saucy would be great [10:52] proofreaders: how's this http://www.kubuntu.org/content/download-kubuntu [10:53] Riddell: I understand [10:54] I wonder when U-series will get a name [10:55] sgclark: if it builds in saucy with the default versions of gcc and g++ then great, just remove them from build-depends in debian/control and ensure its not set in debian/rules [10:56] Riddell: yeah it builds, ok will do, thank you [10:58] I love how Mark makes everyone's life annoying by delaying the name choosing to the point where it has to be SRU'd to the tools -.- [11:01] apachelogger: http://www.kubuntu.org/files/images/kubuntu-14.04.png now exists [11:25] Riddell: I didn't do a fresh i386 install, but I've done two upgrades. [11:26] ScottK: lovely, any issues with nepomuk/baloo? [11:28] Riddell: Not directly. Akonadi failed to start on the first try after upgrade on the one of the two that had significant mail on it. It magically fixed itself, so I have a vague suspicion that it was because the migrator wasn't done yet, but that's only a guess. === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [11:29] Email search definitely seems faster and my CPU doesn't seem to be hogged, so I'll call that a win. [11:30] It's definitely faster [11:30] Or it's placebo on my side [11:32] Gotta run. [11:32] Congratulations on the release. Sorry I didn't have more time to help. [11:32] thanks for testing [11:33] ScottK: which backend for akonadi do you use ? [11:34] apachelogger, Riddell: Are preparations for next cycle complete? [11:35] we haven't even started [11:36] ^^ [11:36] apachelogger: I'm talking about tasks and whatnot [11:36] lets get this release out first :P [11:36] we cannot create tasks until we have a roadmap/plan [11:36] shadeslayer++ though [11:36] Riddell: apachelogger everything looking good? Should I be concerned about anything [11:36] everything [11:37] isn't the roadmap pretty much plasma next and playing around with wayland? ^^ [11:37] I'm going to do the optional test on the iso tracker [11:37] well, I'd like to get some semblance of packages together [11:37] yofel: that's not a roadmap, the target is plasma next [11:37] for KF5 and PN [11:37] so how do we get there :P [11:37] we throw the packages at apachelogger and see what comes out [11:37] oh right, the path was boring so I skipped it :P [11:37] lol [11:39] Riddell: do we have an ETA yet? [11:39] or rather... which flavor is blocking ^^ [11:39] is it us? [11:44] drupal is going to kill me [11:45] Riddell: homepage is ready for swap as well [11:46] apachelogger: kylin in blocking I believe [11:49] * apachelogger leans back and sips wine [11:49] it's release day, I am allowed to be drunk on release day, right? [11:49] quite the word attitude [11:52] you are, and I suppose it is past midday now [11:54] indeed [11:54] * Riddell investigates blazemeter for stress testing [11:55] oh on that note === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [11:57] ah, nevermind [11:57] ^^ [11:57] ovidiu-florin: how did you get on with http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/getkubuntu ? can I copy over the 14.04 update for that page from the old site? [11:57] apachelogger: kylin, edu and ubuntu have respins [11:58] Quintasan: I think that's old news [11:59] Quintasan: you are old [11:59] they had respins and are now testing [11:59] well [11:59] that's topic in #ubuntu-release :P [11:59] apachelogger: I'm not old, yet ;_; [11:59] Quintasan: from 12 hours ago [11:59] aah [11:59] my bad [12:01] the question is what's for lunch [12:04] Riddell: I recommend beer === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [12:32] Riddell: you could, but better not do it yet [12:32] it's still broken [12:42] Quintasan: no beer until after release! irn bru for me [12:42] oh well [12:43] :O [12:53] xnox: am I right in thinking there's a release sprint where much of the chat is happening? [12:55] apachelogger: upstream has changed to a variant of agateau's gif from 1999, do we want to follow? http://dot.kde.org/2014/04/16/kde-releases-applications-and-development-platform-413 [12:56] * Riddell thinks it looks terrible [12:56] RAWR [12:56] roflmao [12:56] hu [12:56] Riddell: let's pick the lead image form the announcement [12:56] that was unexpected [12:56] Riddell: I can provide you the non-animated pictures if you want to pick one [12:57] agateau: it's not the animation I dislike, it's the web-safe colours and lack of anti-aliasing [12:57] Riddell: that's because of the gif format [12:57] Riddell: original images are png and so do not suffer from that [12:58] agateau: that could be interesting then [12:58] Riddell: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgateau%2Fpromopic-o-matic.git&a=tree&h=9604b56a80121aa7dc9120b0b46683b0c44ceceb&hb=d0e26d1a3c3c693472c6f88449d2fdde4102922a&f=full-size [12:58] ah no [12:58] Riddell: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fgateau%2Fpromopic-o-matic.git&a=tree&h=969df976c2a18ddb711a658eaab6313515c524a5&hb=d0e26d1a3c3c693472c6f88449d2fdde4102922a&f=out [12:59] promopic-o-matic? [12:59] I can be snarky, right? [12:59] Riddell: should be changed [12:59] Riddell: mind you, konqueror has weird caching [13:00] I broke the party channel [13:00] xD [13:04] stay away from apachelogger, he's rioting [13:04] all valorie's fault [13:05] #ubuntu-release-party [13:05] or wat? [13:06] ya [13:06] Riddell: preping g+ post [13:06] Riddell: any suggestions for text? [13:07] apachelogger: "The Harald for First Minister release"? [13:07] wfm [13:08] Riddell: no. [13:08] Riddell: i did commute to the office, but i live in london. [13:08] Riddell: all release team people are at home actually. [13:08] ah, laney's talk of hotel confusing me [13:09] apachelogger: you got a quite in party? [13:09] muahahahahaha [13:09] told you, I broke the channel :P [13:09] :P [13:10] oh meh I can't log into the wiki to update this image [13:10] anyone logged into the wiki? [13:11] manchicken: come and join the party, you may have to look after apachelogger though if he gets too drunk [13:12] heh [13:12] Riddell: I should be logged in [13:12] You guys have all of your parties in Europe [13:13] hoorah, it worked [13:15] manchicken: the Edinburgh party is just getting started, it looks a lot like a bunch of programmers sitting at desks [13:15] lol [13:15] apachelogger: you didn't add anything about LTS to the release page? [13:15] Riddell: no, you did not come back on that [13:15] or I did not see [13:15] Riddell: fancy writing something? [13:16] going to look for a pic meanwhile [13:16] I updated the pic to agateau's one on https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04 [13:16] :O [13:18] ok [13:18] how's this?.. [13:18]

Long Term Support means bugfixes and security updates will be added for the next 5 years, so you can be safe to use it until 2019. New releases of important KDE Software will also be available from the Kubuntu Updates and Kubuntu Backports PPAs.

[13:18] good [13:19] perhaps we should just put the tahr head as pic next to it [13:20] apachelogger: I just put in the banner on kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04 [13:20] but it's way too big [13:20] needs cropping [13:20] ah, that works as well [13:20] good luck with the crop :P [13:20] so kubuntu is ready ? [13:20] kubuntu was ready yesterday [13:21] alket: dunno did you test it yet? [13:21] Riddell: manually crop and throw at wiki I guess? [13:21] Riddell: I am testing for a week now, everything smooth and better then ever [13:21] alket: if you didn't report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ it didn't happen :) [13:21] apachelogger: krita skills here I come... [13:22] Riddell: width 660px apparently [13:22] Riddell: please save as jpeg though [13:22] apachelogger: why? [13:22] or at the very least pngcrush -brute orig output [13:22] Riddell: we have almost 1mb of artwork assets on that page [13:22] oh, who removed krita from the default install :( [13:22] darth vader! [13:22] Riddell: use gwenview [13:22] much fastererer [13:23] I just don't get the artistic cred if I use gwenview, there's only so much chin stroking you can do with it [13:24] lol [13:24] Riddell: cropped to 660 the png is 114k [13:24] Riddell: please save as jpeg [13:24] there is no noticable difference and the jpg is 16k [13:25] can gwenview do that? [13:25] sure [13:25] * Riddell strokes chin [13:25] file -> save as [13:25] in fact after you crop it will display a saveas button :P [13:27] apachelogger: that does look very JPEGed https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04 [13:28] Riddell: is that 660px? [13:28] nope [13:29] please make it 660 [13:29] this is funny [13:29] your jpg is like 2x worse than mine [13:29]