[00:00] more than 6 lines in 12 seconds should trigger it [00:00] BitTorrent download info [00:00] tracker version: T-0.3.18 (BitTornado) [00:00] server time: 2014-04-16 23:58 UTC [00:00] info hash torrent name size complete downloading downloaded transferred [00:00] 0221caf96aa3cb94f0f58d458e78b0fc344ad8bf dapper-dvd-amd64.iso 3.12GiB 4 0 0 0B [00:00] 9bdbbb49f085a2d15d96acfabff8310600314fe0 dapper-dvd-i386.iso 3.04GiB 1 0 0 0B [00:00] OerHeks you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted [00:00] huh, I thought it was 30 seconds [00:01] The picture above shows an example of product summaries. In the summary, you can see how many "mandatory", "run-once" and "optional" tests a product has, along with information how many of them have been run and how many of them have been failed (a red number in parenthesis). [00:01] In addition, you can see how many non-critical (green bug icon) and critical bugs (red bug icon) have been found. Mousing over a bug loads a bug summary. Clicking the bug icon will load the corresponding bug on Launchpad. [00:01] Finally, the first column provides you a link to the downloads and the last column shows the version/build in question. [00:01] hah i had only three lines [00:01] . [00:01] , [00:01] , [00:01] , [00:01] alket: too slow! [00:01] :-) [00:01] yeah, and too late to figure it out [00:01] poor unopaste, being trolled [00:02] i thought i was 6 lines in 12 seconds [00:02] * valorie goes off to dinner [00:02] valorie: plenty of image testing when you're done :) [00:02] unopaste: config channel #kubuntu supybot.plugins.AttackProtector.message.detection [00:02] AlanBell: 6p12 [00:03] code is here, I did a tiny little fork of it to support umode+q instead of kicks https://github.com/AlanBell/Supybot-plugins [00:04] patches are welcome, feel free to ban it if it gets annoying, or pester me about config changes etc [00:04] I am happy to give owner access to appropriate people if that would be useful [00:05] night all o/ [00:05] Thanks AlanBell and goodnight === richard is now known as Guest90699 === Don is now known as Guest72198 [01:22] Can't wait till tommorow and the release of Kubuntu 14.04!. :) [01:32] Hey guys, trying to install Kubuntu 3.10 on a system that has only an HDMI port to connect to a monitor; when I boot from the CD, I get what looks like artifacting [01:32] Does anyone know how to get around this? === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps [01:34] I wonder what time Kubuntu 14.04 will be released [01:37] bkovacs: when it's all done [01:37] everyone is scrambling to get every last kink ironed out before release [01:37] it is an LTS after all [01:38] Does anyone have any experience trying to install Kubuntu with HDMI video at all? [01:38] Can't wait til tommorrow :). [01:42] bkovacs: #ubuntu-release-party :-) [01:44] I can't find any information online about this at all, getting frustrated [01:45] !hdmi [01:45] hmmm [01:46] ubottu doesn't know either [01:46] valorie: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [01:47] I've found lots of information on how to configure it post-install, but the installer craps out [01:47] I get what looks like video artifacts at the bottom of the screen [01:51] Etriaph: can you run it as a live system? [01:52] from USB or DVD? [01:52] valorie: I burned the 13.10 ISO to a DVD, when I boot with it it says "Start Kubuntu", "Express Install (OEM)" and a disk check.. I tried "Start Kubuntu" and it loads from the disk, I get artifacts and it hangs [01:53] The display is mangled at the bottom of the screen [01:54] ok, that means that either the wrong driver or wrong kernel for you [01:54] Well it's a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 [01:54] I guess I would wait a couple of days and try 14.04? [01:54] or even the beta2 [01:55] Is there a beta ISO for 14.04 that will rollover to release? [01:55] ie., if I run the beta for 2 days and 14.04 is released, will I just continue to get updates for 14.04? [01:57] I'm grabbing the daily right now, we'll see what happens [01:58] cool [01:59] But do you know if, when 14.04 is live, the beta installation will become a 14.04 full installation? [01:59] I'm assuming yes, but I just don't want to have to install the OS all over again :) [02:00] right, after you update and upgrade [02:00] same same [02:01] I got the beta1, and am now on release [02:02] I bought a new PC and this is the first time I'm running video on HDMI [02:02] I don't want to have to switch back to DVI just to run Linux [02:28] what dependencies does eamviewer have [02:30] what dependenciesss does teamviewer have [02:31] dutchuss2016_: what repo is it in? [02:31] none i had to get it off there wbsight [02:31] dutchuss2016_: Did you install it? [02:32] Any needed dependencies will be listed upon installation [02:32] when i try to install it it says its missing dependencies and wont let me install it === dutchuss2016_ is now known as dutchuss2016 [02:35] dutchuss2016: Through the software center or in terminal? [02:42] neeither i downloaded the .deb file and ran it with oapt packagee installer [02:45] whats he image pastebin link [02:49] http://postimg.org/image/9e6erg70n/ === thelionsleeps is now known as thelionroars [02:52] dutchuss2016: Open a Konsole, cd to the directory that contains the deb file, and run "dpkg -i teamviewer_linux_x64.deb" [02:53] dutchuss2016: Also, because of changes in the structure of packages and architectures, I don't think you can use the x64 package. [02:53] Based on the release notes, you have to use the 32-bit multiarch package [03:06] !info teamviewer [03:06] Package teamviewer does not exist in saucy === Hypnotoad is now known as Guest89873 [03:51] Omg [03:51] Is kubu 14.04 being released soon? [03:51] !release [03:51] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [03:51] basically, tomorrow [03:51] also: #ubuntu-release-party [03:57] Wait [03:58] Why in 14.04 is Firefox default? [03:58] I was expecting rekonq... [04:02] thefakeazned525: rekonq is now non-maintained [04:02] :( [04:02] there were really no good choices [04:03] Wait wat?? Rekonq isn't being developed anymore? [04:03] But that was the fastest WebKit browser I've used! [04:04] thefakeazned525: wanna step up? [04:04] I would love to put rekonq back on the ISO [04:05] Actually, I am planning to add PPAPI to rekonq, so it could be used with pepperflash... [04:05] However at the moment I can't work on it === TheDrums is now known as TheMaster [05:21] Hi valorie [05:26] hi Daskreech, how are you? [05:26] valorie: Chill :) [05:26] cool [05:27] just reporting upgrade results on the tracker [05:28] I can't run 1404 :( [05:28] well I can :) I just have to use a 13.x kernel [05:33] I had to roll back to an earlier kernel for a day or two [05:33] but it was fixed quickly [05:36] valorie: none of the ones from the pre alpha till now have worked for me [05:36] Ah well I'll mix and match [05:36] odd, what happens? [05:37] ... Hmm? [05:37] what do you mean? [05:38] why can't you use the kernel as provided? [05:39] or compile with 13.10 config? guessing? === richard is now known as Guest72682 === TheMaster is now known as DalekSec [06:49] Hi, got an unexpected problem more than once: kde didn't displayed anything on the locked screen except the background and no input appers to be taken. [06:49] evry-time I restert ligtdm so kill evrything === popi is now known as Crovax31 === salsero is now known as salsero__ === willem is now known as smon [08:14] Is the official release date today? [08:17] of what? [08:17] ;) [08:17] kubuntu 14.04 [08:17] Yup [08:17] hooray [08:18] just stay connected to the internet and hang tight :) [08:18] i'm guessing it'll be another 12+ hours until the final images are spun though [08:19] yup [08:20] gotta test everything one last time === willem is now known as smon === jens is now known as Guest12475 === jens_ is now known as Guest18020 [08:58] HI! I heard Trusty will be available today. Am I right? [09:00] airsynth: cirrect [09:00] correct too === willem is now known as smon === anonymous is now known as Guest91837 === smon is now known as smoon [09:35] any mirrors have it yet .... === conguero is now known as asfsdfgdsa [09:44] 'Morning folks [09:47] happy launch day ! [09:49] yossarianuk, #ubuntu-release-party [10:01] Hey I am not able to successfuly use my Huawei EC355 3g+ modem with Kubuntu. The problem I feel is that it is being wrongly detected as a wwan0 device rather than an usb0 device. [10:01] It gets detected as a wireless modem. But Connection fails, despite correct API settings. [10:03] *Access point I meant ( not API ) === anonymous is now known as Guest31439 [10:07] Any help please ? [10:13] Good morning. === willem_ is now known as Smoon [10:23] still not out....... [10:23] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/ [10:24] yossarianuk: it's out when official announcement is out, no sooner [10:25] yossarianuk: You can simply subscribe to the announce mailing list, then you'll get an email when it is released. [10:27] lordievader: thanks in past releases I have found it on the mirrors sometimes hrs before the announcement. [10:37] Today is Boomtime, the 34th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 = release date ! [10:43] http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140417T1404&p0=136&msg=Ubuntu+14.04+LTS [11:06] Is the a good documentation how to cutomize kmail? [11:43] I need help please to install Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Lubuntu on Toshiba Chromebook CB30-102 [11:43] link to instructions I can follow? [11:45] or is it not possible to install on Toshiba Chromebook CB30-102 ? [12:00] are we getting kubuntu 14.04 today too? [12:02] ezra-s: Jup :) [12:03] great :o) [12:06] what are modifications in this kubuntu version ? (about kde and not ubuntu himself) [12:08] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TrustyTahr/Beta2/Kubuntu shows what was new the Beta 2 [12:08] why it's "beta 2" ? [12:09] because 14.04 isn't yet released [12:09] it will be some time today [12:10] ok [12:43] Hey guys, Trusty Tahr was released?! [12:45] ThiagoAderaldo: not yet [12:46] Ok! Please, remember to update the web site when it was released! [12:47] there are people hovering over the "big red button" as we speak [12:51] i installed beta 2 weeks ago when it came out :D so now i don't have to do anything [12:51] yay [13:00] Kalidarn: same here. but it took out all the fun from the 'upgrade day' [13:00] Hey I am not able to successfuly use my Huawei EC355 3g+ modem with Kubuntu. The problem I feel is that it is being wrongly detected as a wwan0 device rather than an usb0 device. [13:01] It gets detected as a wireless modem. But Connection fails, despite correct Access point and Phone number settings. [13:01] BluesKaj: could you pl advice me over this ? [13:02] rvraghav93: i'm using something similar from orange, and sometimes have to unplug and plug-it again, util it shows the pin dialog [13:04] mokush: pin dialog ? I tried unplugging and replugging for a lot of times ... even restarted it ;( I saw in some forum that It was an issue for ubuntu too. They said a kernel update made all the Huawei devices as wwan0 device ... And commenting out that section of the file and patching the kernel works .... I have that file ... but am not sure how to proceed further ! :( [13:04] The make fails with some warning :/ [13:04] when is 14.04 final released? === patrick is now known as Guest28980 [13:05] when is 14.04 final released? [13:05] past__: later [13:05] Guest28980: later [13:05] i should put a channel bot in here that flags on 14.04 [13:05] its just gone 14:04 UK time... [13:05] and says [13:05] later [13:06] yossarianuk: well then later [13:06] maybe it's not UK time [13:06] not everyone lives in the UK either [13:06] i know........ [13:06] and then it could be delayed [13:06] be cool if you all did though. [13:06] by a few hours if something comes up [13:06] bit cramped... [13:07] good news is though the tests seem successful http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66909/testcases [13:07] rvraghav93, do you have the network manager widget installed in the panel ? it's a good place to start. [13:07] so media will probably be available some time [13:08] yossarianuk, 2PM UK time ? [13:08] BluesKaj: Ya ! its there ... its even detecting the signal and the network ! :( I tried using some zte data cards and it works fine ! just these huawei devices are bing detected as wwan0 devices. [13:09] yes.... I was obviously expecting it to be released at 14:04... BluesKaj: [13:10] lol yossarianuk [13:10] 14:04:00? [13:10] rvraghav93, set your encyption options and password in network manager ? [13:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxjvaoHUnCc [13:11] *<( :-) RELEASE PARTY [13:12] BluesKaj: Tried that :( My guess is the issue is very much similar or just the same as here : http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=148990 [13:13] guedressel_, #ubuntu-release-party [13:16] rvraghav93, pastebin the result, sudo lshw -C network [13:29] Is there any ETA when 14.04 will be available for download? [13:31] Maybe the daily-live is the release ? [13:35] fg4y6g3: today [14:17] are we there yet? hehehe [14:18] ezra-s: almost [14:18] alket, thanks, also is there a release notes page for 14.04 we can check in advance? [14:20] ezra-s: i dont know [14:20] alket, it's ok, thank you :) [14:53] BluesKaj: Hey sorry for the delayed response :) http://pastebin.com/cXPJy5g6 [14:53] Btw are we getting a Kubuntu 14 ? [14:55] rvraghav93, yes, today is the official release date, but no time of day has been quoted. === jimmy51v_ is now known as jimmy51v [14:57] rvraghav93, iwlist scan , to see what's available === jimmy51v is now known as jimmy51_ [15:07] rvraghav93, iwlist scan , to see what's available [15:08] ok that's enough, not waiting any longer [15:32] KUBUNTU SUCKS GO MINT [15:33] !ISITOUTYET [15:33] No lolTahr, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [15:33] !ISITOUTYETNIGGAH [15:33] !ISITOUTYET [15:33] someone demanding attention [15:34] lolTahr, hush hush, baby, come, let me hug you [15:34] Out :) http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ [15:36] shhhh [15:37] websites do not seem updated yet [15:37] quick question. when is kubuntu slated to release 14.04 [15:37] questioner, today! [15:37] questioner: Around the same time Ubuntu releases Trusty. [15:37] When it's good and ready, questioner. [15:38] it's only _U_buntu links.. :-\ [15:38] barmaley, it also has kubuntu-* packages if you are in a hurry [15:38] ok, wasnt sure, ubuntu put out their press releases but hasn't let the binary drop yet === salsero is now known as Guest16345 [15:52] BluesKaj: Please excuse my sudden dissapearance ! my dsl is v. poor ! Thats y wanted this modem ... Do you need any more info ? [15:53] rvraghav93, iwlist scan , to see what's available [16:04] hi guys, is kubuntu 14.04 released yet? [16:04] Duke_: Almost :) [16:04] ok :) [16:06] Hi [16:07] hi [16:07] Ubuntu seems to be slowly releasing, what about Kubuntu? [16:08] find out using apt-get update [16:38] Blueskai: are you Blueskaj ? [16:39] rvraghav93, yes i was [16:39] cool my dsl stabilized ... please help me out wih the issue :) [16:39] if you are free :) [16:40] did you run the iwlist scan ? [16:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7269221/ [16:41] this is the result :) [16:41] when I do it with the ZTE modem ( which works and connects for the same network and settings ) the wwan0 is replaced by usb0 ! [16:43] is the router/modem a usb device? [16:49] when can i expect kubuntu 14.04 final release? [16:49] slvr1, before today ends [16:55] hi all [16:55] can anyone tell when 14.04 will be out? [16:56] today :o) [16:56] wiull be looking into it [16:56] i want to install my new SSD [16:58] they have already created directory for images: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ [17:03] BluesKai: ya its a usb modem ! This is the one http://www.amazon.com/Huawei-E355-Unlocked-Mobile-21Mbps/dp/B008TH3VH0 [17:10] rvraghav93, can't find any linux drivers available for that device ...sorry :/ [17:10] BluesKai: lol Okay :) [17:12] BluesKai: There is some solution for ubuntu at this forum. Will that be even relavant to Kubuntu and is it possible to patch Kernel like they have described ? [17:15] BluesKai: some reloaded cdc_ncm after commenting out the lines ! how to do that in kubuntu ? The make fails with this warning ! [17:15] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7269399/ [17:17] hi guys [17:18] I so wanna upgrade, almost considering setting a script that tries dist-upgrade every five minutes xD [17:20] does anyone know if kde 4.13 will be backported to 12.04 ? [17:24] http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/kubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [17:27] Hey folks, anyone know if we're going to have .isos soon? [17:28] all iso-torrents are available, see http://www.muylinux.com/2014/04/17/ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr-2 [17:29] sweet, thanks! [17:30] searchfgold, it is not out yet. Anything you download may not be the final release and you're slowing down mirror distribution. [17:31] any one who knows about the cdc_ncm.c file ? [17:33] Meerkat, oh ok. will wait [17:40] @meerkat including the torrent? [17:49] !isitoutyet [17:49] No princip0l, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [17:49] http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ says no beta anymore :) [17:50] haha, nice bot [17:59] nice... I keep testing "apt-get dist-upgrade" every few minutes ^^ [17:59] klew: won't work [17:59] klew: you'll get a notification from muon when it's out [18:00] apachelogger: done [18:00] ah how handy :) [18:03] ? [18:04] Why kubuntu images are still not available? [18:04] does anyone have a 14.04 kubuntu torrent [18:04] No [18:04] how many ip are banned here ? lol [18:04] The hamburglar stole them. [18:04] :( [18:06] oh calm down, ubuntu 14.04 has been out for about five minutes, guessing kubuntu will be in the next few [18:07] few minuites or days ? [18:08] Ubuntu now released. Waiting for kubuntu :( [18:08] images available!! [18:08] minutes or hours, you can always install regular ubuntu and manually install kde 4.13 :P [18:08] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ now available [18:09] yeah === calin is now known as crucerucalin [18:10] klew: the last time i did it, i had some problems (i had ubuntu login screen and not kvm) [18:11] "is it out yet?" over and over sounds like Bart and Lisa asking for something to Homer [18:12] * apachelogger is still moving bytes around ;) [18:12] chachan: "is it out yet?" "no" "is it out yet?" "no" "is it out yet?" "yes" "really?" "no!" [18:14] Start page updated! http://www.kubuntu.org/ [18:15] w00pw00p! [18:16] hoo ray === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu to: Official Kubuntu support | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.kde.org | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: http://ubottu.com/y/gl | Kubuntu 14.04 LTS is out! http://goo.gl/jQFdZJ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also!) [18:18] weired thing about the iso …it is not in the dir listing but the links on top of the page work http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ [18:20] images being a bit unstable is being worked on [18:21] thought it was just me. Couldnt see a .torrent file [18:23] also looking for the torrent file. Glad I'm not the only one [18:23] wget working for now. [18:24] klew, haha [18:24] * chachan loves that answer! [18:25] Riddell, yofel, youyo, delight & all, Congratulations on the release!!!! [18:25] *yoyo [18:25] Links on website not working. What happened? [18:29] necrordian: which links do not work? I just tried running apt-get update && do-release-upgrade, and I get "No new release found" [18:29] tldr apparently we have different issues [18:29] impressive kde 4.13 was released yesterday and its already on the release iso … hope it didn’t break to many things [18:30] EvilRoey: release upgrader changes are waiting for the servers to get fixed [18:30] aye gotcha [18:30] EvilRoey: I guess necrordian ment the links on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu [18:30] oh okay [18:30] yofel, are the servers being upgraded? [18:31] not really, killed by traffic I think ^^ [18:31] aha :) [18:32] Links work back [18:32] EvilRoey: seems it's not released for upgrading from previous versions yet [18:32] We're up again [18:32] EvilRoey: because Im' getting the same messages [18:33] got it [18:33] klew: I'd surelylike to upgrade my laptop before I head out on this business trip [18:33] As it turns out, I have alrady upgraded my desktop [18:33] so I am reassured by that. [18:33] btw, make sure that if you use OpenVPN, that you replace your key. [18:34] Torrent's out! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ [18:34] assume that the someone has already exploited libssl heartbleed and gotten your keys. [18:36] hello, I tried to install 14.04 beta2 and had pretty bad issues after updating. I wonder if the problem could still be present in the release [18:36] can not get torrent [18:36] we were lucky, were using Squeeze on our web servers and stuff [18:36] s [18:37] kaisen: how bout you wait bit longer lol. [18:37] Hello, I cannot find on the internet the planned release date for Kubuntu 14.04, do you have an idea of it ? [18:37] EvilRoey: btw, if you're in a hurry I suppose you could download the iso and use it as source? [18:37] instead of being so demanding [18:38] loading the iso now over http/ftp [18:38] I updated and changed the graphics driver from Xorg to Nvidia proprietary. afer reboot, I get 2 problems. 1 usb ports aren't working and I can't input anyhting, or 2. Xsession goes blank after 2 minutes or less [18:39] klew: oh, true [18:39] Kalidarn: "We demand this free thing that people pour their hearts into should be 100% perfect and available minutes after release!!" :P [18:39] klew: thanks for the suggestion [18:39] I suppose it'd be easy, right? just add the iso to a deb line? [18:39] I think it should work [18:39] EvilRoey: yeah but that doesn't check your ppas [18:39] you can just upgrade to the latest "development" release with it too [18:39] and that will do the same thing [18:40] as there is no development release [18:40] just be sure to uncheck it when you're done [18:40] I've got 4 days off due to easter so I'm not in a huge hurry :) [18:40] or it might try to upgrade to 14.10 when that is available [18:40] k torrent is running [18:40] happy shareing [18:41] has anyone heard of this kind of thing with the beta2? or the stable release (if anyone has that installed already)? [18:41] beta2 is the same as stable [18:41] if updated [18:41] but no bennypr0fane [18:41] wahoo, torrents! Thanks! [18:41] i used beta2 2weeks and it works great [18:41] Kalidarn, then that means my crash occured on stable [18:42] my torrent is coming down fine, decent speed too [18:42] bennypr0fane: that said when i did use jockey on beta 2 i think i recall it removing removing nouveau packages [18:42] but the case could be different now [18:43] going from nouveau to binary nvidia left me with an un-runable X because it removed something [18:43] but i installed the missing package and it was back [18:43] Kalidarn, doesn't it always do that when installing proprietary dirvers (i.e. remove the corresponding open one)? [18:44] Kalidarn, how might I check if something's missing from another OS on the same machine? [18:44] as far as i know no [18:44] ii libdrm-nouveau2:amd64 2.4.52-1 amd64 Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime' [18:44] ii xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:1.0.10-1ubuntu2 amd64 X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver [18:44] will still show [18:45] but you'll also see nvidia-***** [18:45] for the binary packages [18:47] Because of the usb issue, I can't solve the problem from the command line *in* kubuntu, I can only start anohter OS an look into kubuntu's file system [18:50] Hi [18:51] Can you tell me why you would want to develop some clone of the Ubuntu App Store (or whatever that thing is called)? [18:51] Your product is still full with bugs and what do you do? You add some feature. Are you stupid or just malicious? [18:53] I don't know who is in charge of this project (probably nobody!), but if someone is, he/she is a fucking failure. [18:54] Hello? [18:57] JDoles is a unity troll [18:58] Lonise: you are a retard, because I did not even talk about Unity. [18:58] I am kidding [18:58] Lonise: that's what they all say. [18:58] I don't mind anyways [18:58] what are you upset about ? [18:58] Lonise: great; we need more people like you. [18:59] Lonise: I can't comprehend why that Kubuntu App Store thing was developed. [19:00] Lonise: that would have *never* happened if Kubuntu was developed by anyone sane. [19:00] jdoles: it is just one of a number of tools available [19:00] are you talking about muon or something new in 14.04 ? (I haven't upgraded so far) [19:00] claydoh: and why would you add *new* feature when the old ones don't work yet? [19:00] features* [19:00] Muon discover is the default software center [19:00]