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robruquestion for you guys. now that we are literally in zero-hour, what's the story for touch landings? (I mean ones that are seeded in both, like webbrowser-app). let's say I have a webbrowser-app landing that I want to land. it's a bugfix mainly for touch. if I hit publish I guess it just gets caught in UNAPPROVED. can anything be done about that?01:50
robruwithout interfering with the desktop landing01:50
alex-abreuwell Ideally we would land for desktop too01:53
alex-abreuoxide fix (important) and webbrowser-app01:53
rsalvetifor desktop it could just be a normal SRU01:54
rsalvetibut not sure if it'd help us (touch)01:54
rsalvetiwe'd need to spin a new image with -updates enabled01:54
rsalvetiit seems -updates is enabled already in livecd-rootfs01:56
robruyeah it's not very clear to me what is happening with touch while desktop is in this final freeze. I mean most touch stuff has the FFe and just breezes through, but for stuff that's in both, I guess it's just frozen for real01:56
rsalvetirobru: yup01:57
rsalvetithat's why I believe we would need to land it as a SRU01:57
alex-abreurobru, so what can we do at this point? nothing to land in desktop01:57
alex-abreu?01:57
robruwell we need somebody from the release team to comment if they were approached by asac about this.01:58
rsalvetislangasek: ^ if still around01:58
alex-abreumight have been didrocks or dbarth01:58
alex-abreuthat discussed that01:59
baker417Very curious -- approximately what time (and time zone) will Ubuntu 14 be available for download? Thank you!02:06
Riddellmy testing of kubuntu all good tonight, sleeping now, phone me if something needs my attention (jriddell.org/contact.html)02:06
slangasekrsalveti: if it's on desktop, yes, it's frozen for real02:07
rsalvetiyup, both are02:07
rsalvetislangasek: who to proceed with a SRU here?02:07
rsalvetianything special for 0-day SRUs?02:07
slangasekrsalveti: nothing special02:08
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rsalvetirobru: alex-abreu: then we'd need to SRU them02:09
alex-abreursalveti, ok then ... & respin a touch image w/ updates enabled02:10
rsalvetislangasek: thanks btw02:12
slangaseksure02:12
rsalvetislangasek: so was able to create an ubuntu-touch image for the x86 emulator with packages from https://launchpad.net/~rsalveti/+archive/touch-emulator-x8602:13
rsalvetislangasek: the -gles ones are the new packages02:13
rsalvetithe rest are just rebuild & minor control file changes02:13
rsalvetiand was able to boot and so on, so it worked :-)02:13
rsalvetiwill do a clean-up and pile them when "u" is open02:14
slangasekrsalveti: great!  and how's the reverse-dependency tree looking?02:14
rsalvetislangasek: just missing a few for touch, but was only rebuilding packages related with the ubuntu-touch image02:14
rsalvetias I believe we'll have a rebuild in "u" anyway soon02:14
slangasekhmm, why would there be a rebuild in u?  are we expecting another qt abi change?02:15
saiarcot895Hi all. Can someone nominate for #1308794 for Trusty? I have a fix ready for SRU and everything (I think) (even though the archive is currently frozen)?02:15
saiarcot895bug #130879402:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 1308794 in checkstyle (Ubuntu) "Checkstyle unusable on Trusty" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130879402:16
rsalvetislangasek: right, was mixing the test rebuild with the initial publishing for "u"02:16
rsalvetiI can just bump and rebuild the remaining, but the list is short02:17
rsalvetidid a rebuild of more than 30 packages already02:17
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slangasekyeah, I would expect that the touch builds already covered most of it02:17
rsalvetiso the good news is that we're close, and it worked :-)02:18
rsalvetislangasek: thanks for the detailed email you sent a few days ago02:18
rsalvetididn't know we could use shlibs that way :-)02:18
slangasek:)02:18
alex-abreucan someone also have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1307735 for those in Trusty-updates ?02:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1307735 in webbrowser-app "Hyperlinks that request a new tab don’t open" [Critical,In progress]02:26
alex-abreuthe fixes have been +1 in ci-eng02:27
alex-abreuboth packages have been already published (about to hit proposed)02:29
alex-abreupublished & unapproved02:31
alex-abreuno proposed02:31
maclinhi, release team, we find the cn.archive.ubuntu.com is not synced with the archive.ubuntu.com. This causes some problems in Ubuntu Kylin when downloading packages from apt source.02:48
saiarcot895maclin: is this for Trusty or an earlier release?02:54
maclinsaiarcot895, we just tested in Trusty.02:55
saiarcot895maclin: That's most likely because Trusty is yet to be officially released. I would give a day or two for packages to be fully synced.02:56
maclinit is strange that there is only main branch in http://cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/02:56
saiarcot895maclin: Even yesterday, my local Georgia Tech mirror had a few missing packages that was present in the US archive.02:58
slangasekit has nothing to do with being released03:00
maclinsaiarcot895, we can upgrade yesterday  night, but this morning the upgrade failed because of failures of download from cn.archive.ubuntu.com03:00
slangasekmaclin: http://cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ shows that there's an archive sync in progress03:00
slangasekbut seems to be in progress for two hours03:02
maclinslangasek, got it, can we confirm when will the sync finish?03:03
slangasekmaclin: well, I have no way of knowing03:03
slangasekI guess the server is not one that the kylin team runs? :)03:03
maclinslangasek, 'we' means the whole of us^_^03:04
slangasekhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.sohu.com-archive suggests that it's a full week behind03:06
alex-abreuslangasek, not sure if you could help w/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1307735 it,s been published but still in unapproved03:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 1307735 in webbrowser-app "Hyperlinks that request a new tab don’t open" [Critical,In progress]03:06
alex-abreutrying to have them as a SRU since we missed the cutoff03:06
slangasekmaclin: if we don't control this archive, then I think our only option is to get the cn.archive.ubuntu.com name directed somewhere else.  Do you know if there's one of the mirrors listed for China on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors that would be appropriate?03:07
slangasekmaclin: (our normal approach when a national mirror has a problem is to point the DNS at our server in the UK, but that probably wouldn't work well here)03:09
maclinslangasek, I am not familiar with this and studying now:)03:12
utlemmingslangasek, infinity: Cloud Image respin has completed, tested, and marked ready.03:20
Mirvis https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/ wrong regarding support times, compared to http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-17-21.05.moin.txt ?04:01
slangasekMirv: yes04:03
slangasekMirv: please edit it to match the TB approvals04:03
Mirvok, doing04:08
slangasekmaclin: I'm told that we're going to redirect cn.archive.ubuntu.com to the US-based mirror to fix the problem in the short term; if you have contacts with one of the other mirror operators who might be willing to become the official mirror, I'm sure the mirror team would be happy to know about it04:24
slangasekmaclin: (it sounds like we are tentatively looking at Northeastern University)04:25
stgraber^ and that's Edubuntu ready to be released. highvoltage will take it from there in his morning.04:41
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didrocksinfinity: cjwatson: hey, sorry to ping you directly, not sure if robru reached any release team member yesterday06:11
didrocksinfinity: cjwatson: as they should have warned you, we are quite stuck and need to rebuild a Touch image. We need latest oxide-qt and webbrowser-app (which are in UNAPPROVED)06:12
didrocksinfinity: cjwatson: putting them in trusty-updates will enable us to build an image with it06:12
didrocksslangasek: if you are still around as well ^06:12
didrocksinfinity: slangasek: cjwatson: autopilot as well (I see it in -proposed), whatever pocket you prefer06:16
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asacslangasek: you bounced off our oxide landing we worked all night on?06:44
asac:)06:44
asacsorry cant even read yet, just hearsay06:44
asacLaney: around?07:02
asacwhoelse is on release team?07:03
asacseems slangasek cjwatson infinity got already pingd by didrocks... so think we have everyone now :)07:03
* asac waits07:03
asacsent slangasek an sms too07:08
sil2100I think it's mid-night for slangasek right now, I guess we can only hope the UK-part of the release team to become available07:10
asacsteve is not known too be a morning person07:12
asacseb128: when is Laney around usually?07:54
seb128asac, 9uk07:54
seb128e.g in 6 minutes07:54
asac1 minute :)07:59
Laneyasac: I don't know how to do that08:03
didrocksLaney: can you review oxide and webbrowser-app meanwhile?08:03
didrocksLaney: they still are in UNAPPROVED08:03
didrockswe will win a publisher cycle :)08:03
Laneyhrm08:04
Laneysrsly, oxide is 223.704 MiB?!08:07
didrocksLaney: chromium inside :p08:08
didrockssorry © ;)08:08
Laneythe tubes needed a workout anyway08:09
didrocksahah08:09
didrocksLaney: I can provide you a debdiff if the download is going to be long08:09
cjwatsonhere now08:10
asaco/08:10
asac:)08:10
cjwatsonthere's a debdiff in the PPA, digging it out08:11
Laneyalready got it08:11
cjwatsonLaney: I'll look at the others then, webbrowser-app plus pushing autopilot somewhere more useful08:11
cjwatsonoh, you did it08:12
didrocksthanks cjwatson, Laney08:12
Laneythat one was quicker to download08:12
LaneyI should teach $script to go to the source PPA for diffs08:12
cjwatsonwell, it's an LP bug that you don't get a diff in the queue for PCJs08:13
Laneysure08:13
Laneyseems workaroundable though08:13
cjwatsonanalysis in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/85156208:13
ubot2Launchpad bug 851562 in Launchpad itself "Diffs not available for syncs on +queue page like for regular uploads" [High,Triaged]08:13
cjwatsonLaney: I think only sometimes08:14
xnoxmaclin: you can discuss mirror problems on #ubuntu-mirrors. all mirrors should be complete by now, and #ubuntu-mirrors people can point to a different cn.* mirror to a different one.08:14
xnoxmorning everyone.08:15
* xnox feels lonely here.08:16
Riddellmorning08:16
Laneyxnox: 'here'?08:16
maclinxnox,  thanks,  I find that the "http://mirrors.sohu.com/" has updated now.08:16
xnoxLaney: physical, rather than virtual =)08:16
cjwatsonautopilot unblocked08:16
Laneyothers at $hotel?08:17
xnoxLaney: no idea.08:17
xnoxLaney: i commute from home.08:17
cjwatsonlooks like it was a late night last night with the unity debacle08:17
Laneylike a real person and all08:17
cjwatsonSo, we can't unblock oxide-qt and webbrowser-app because they're also on desktop images, but we can move them to -updates once they're otherwise ready.  I can take care of that08:18
xnoxLaney: but it's hardly a wifi-enabled airconed coach i took to the city =) just a train flat packed with people =)08:18
LaneyI want to have a go at putting oxide and webbrowser in updates if that's ok08:18
Laneyoh ok08:19
cjwatsonoh, well, if you really want to :)08:19
Laneyxnox: yeah, that's what normal people so (so I hear)08:19
cjwatsonyou'll need to first check that excuses declares them to be a valid candidate08:19
LaneyI just sit on the settee eating porridge until the radio beeps then walk upstairs08:19
cjwatson(which isn't complete protection but better than nothing)08:19
Laneyyep08:19
xnoxLaney: smooth operator =)08:20
Laneyit's a good life08:20
mlankhorstcjwatson: oh speaking of that package, i can't install liboxideqtcore0-dbgsym because it depends on oxideqt-codecs-dbg and oxideqt-codecs-extra-dbg, but installing both fails. :P08:22
maclinxnox,slangasek has redirected cn.archive.ubuntu.com to an US-based mirror temporarily, is it suitable to change it back?08:25
cjwatsonmlankhorst: err I don't actually know anything about oxide as such08:25
mlankhorstah k :p08:25
mlankhorstme neither08:25
cjwatsonmlankhorst: but dbgsym issues won't/shouldn't block this08:25
LaneyHe's trying to debug something else08:26
LaneyProbably not a release team matter :)08:26
infinityWaking up was not my best decision today.08:27
cjwatsongrumble, wonder what to do about this cloud-installer that slangasek unblocked but which is uninstallable on powerpc08:27
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infinitycjwatson: I'd say let it be uninst, juju *should* exist on ppc, we just didn't get that far (needs a scary mongodb endian patch)08:30
cjwatsonyeah, I was coming to a similar conclusion08:30
cjwatsonI'll hit it with the big hammer08:30
infinitycjwatson: Fixing it to drop the dep only on ppc is just one more thing to undo some day.08:30
didrockscjwatson: Laney: thanks for oxide and webbrowser-app, do we know to poke you to put then in -updates once they are published?08:30
Laneyno08:30
Laneywell, I don't know what you know :P08:31
Laneybut you don't /need/ too08:31
didrocksLaney: the thing is that the whole Touch image build is blocked on it and then, it's a +8h to get full test results once it's published in -updates08:31
didrocksthat's why we are tracking that closely ;)08:31
didrocksactually, they are published08:32
didrockscjwatson: mind putting them in -updates?08:32
* Laney blinks08:32
didrocks(and same for autopilot)08:32
cjwatsondidrocks: Laney said he wanted to take care of the copies to -updates08:33
* Laney is doing it08:33
cjwatsondidrocks: autopilot has already migrated to trusty release08:33
cjwatson(well, modulo publishing, but it's been copied)08:33
didrocksthanks guys!08:33
cjwatsonit's not on non-touch images so we can be more lenient with it08:33
didrocksexcellent, thanks :)08:34
xnoxmaclin: i'll check with is.08:36
maclinxnox, thanks a lot:)08:36
JackYuhi release, would you please review ubuntukylin-default-settings 1.1.9?08:40
JackYuhi release team, it fixes bug08:41
JackYu#1308889.08:42
maclin#Bug 1308889 will make the help menu useless.08:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 1308889 in ubuntukylin-default-settings "ubuntu-kylin-docs was not installed by default in latest image" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130888908:44
cjwatsonJackYu: the diff strongly suggests it doesn't change anything08:44
didrocksLaney: cjwatson: this is the last one for Touch normally: same path? ^ (-updates or release pocket?)08:44
cjwatson(also, does this mean you're asking for a respin?)08:44
cjwatsondidrocks: release, I'll take a look in a sec08:44
cjwatsonJackYu: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/173003237/ubuntukylin-default-settings_1.1.8_1.1.9.diff.gz08:44
didrocksthanks :)08:44
Laneytouch only → release08:44
didrockscjwatson: sorry again to nag you today with this :(08:45
cjwatsonthat's ok08:45
cjwatsonLaney: ok, are you unblocking it then?08:45
Laneyoh no, it was a general comment08:46
cjwatsonah, I guess that was auto-accepted, I thought it was you :)08:46
JackYucjwaton, sorry, let us check:)08:47
Laneynot me guv08:47
xnoxmaclin: cn.archive.ubuntu.com has been pointing to an uptodate mirror in china for the past 3 hours, the mirror.neu.edu.cn i believe.08:47
cjwatsondidrocks: unity-mir unblocked08:48
didrocksthanks cjwatson, it will naturally migrate to the release pocket without any intervention then?08:49
didrocks(well, in nothing in britney blocks it due to failing testing…)08:49
cjwatsondidrocks: er, in that I have already intervened, I suppose yes :P08:50
cjwatsonhopefully no further intervention08:50
nhainesThis is where I pester people toa see if it's released yet, right?08:50
* nhaines ducks.08:50
maclinxnox, yeap, I got it now,  it was firstly redirected to an IP in UK, the current mirror works well, thanks :)08:51
cjwatsonnhaines: don't even joke about it, please ...08:52
cjwatsonwith a late unity security fix last night, I suspect it'll be a long one08:52
nhainescjwatson: That's a drag.  I'm just sitting here being mad about webapps being broken.08:52
nhainesSo consider me a cheerleader.  I'm on your side. :)08:53
rwwyou and your webapps08:53
nhainesrww: they're important!  Especially when they break.  :P08:53
cjwatsonI assume that's the webapp fix that's landing at the moment.08:53
cjwatson(oxide-qt, webbrowser-app)08:53
nhainesNo, it's the Unity integration for web apps.  Some update 3 days ago completely broke it.  Unfortunately I didn't have time to file any bugs (this makes me partly responsible, I know).08:54
didrocksnhaines: not being able to get a link opened inside the web app?08:55
nhainesdidrocks: they no longer show as active unless run from the launcher or dash.  And then they only run in separate windows.08:55
nhainesI tried to test with the live CD in case the SDK/core-apps was the culprit, but then there was no integration.08:56
didrocksnhaines: ah something else, don't know about that one08:56
didrocksthat's for dbarth's I guess ^08:56
seb128nhaines, what do you mean "show as active"?08:56
jamespagemorning folks; openstack are starting to produce final release tarballs - zul and I are working on them as they are released08:57
jamespagethey should all just be version changes only from the last rc's already in archive08:57
cjwatsonjamespage: none of those are on images, aiui?08:58
jamespagecjwatson, that's correct08:58
cjwatsonshould hopefully be fine then08:59
dbarthnhaines: what's the error you're seeing?08:59
dbarthnhaines: on desktop?08:59
LaneyMight want to carry on in #ubuntu-webapps :-)09:00
mlankhorstok, updated mesa :P09:00
mlankhorstlets see if stuff breaks now09:01
nhainesseb128: they show up in the launcher if I visit the page, but don't have the 'active' pip by them.09:01
dbarthnhaines: i'm on #ubuntu-webapps09:01
nhainesseb128: they can't be Alt-Tabbed to, and clicking on one opens a new, dedicated window instead of a new Firefox window or tab.09:02
nhainesAnd then, of course, they keep pinning themselves to the launcher.09:02
dbarthnhaines: that's normal, please join #ubuntu-webapps and i'll explain09:02
nhainesdbarth: then I am rather upset.  But, over to #ubuntu-webapps!09:05
dbarthwow09:06
Riddellkubuntu is golden, any ETA on release?09:18
cjwatsonThis probably depends on whether UbuntuKylin are going to actually tell us whether they want to respin for this ubuntukylin-default-settings changes09:19
cjwatson*change09:19
rbasakAm I still OK to edit the release notes?09:20
infinityrbasak: By all means.09:20
rbasakThanks09:21
infinityrbasak: There's no freeze for release notes.  :P09:21
rbasakNot even release? :)09:21
cjwatsonrbasak: release notes are often by nature written after release :)09:25
cjwatsonbug 1308899, hmm, ouch09:53
ubot2Launchpad bug 1308899 in scilab (Ubuntu) "Sync scilab 5.5.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130889909:53
knomeinfinity, reminder: did you look at the release notes? :)09:53
* cjwatson diffs that to check09:53
infinityknome: Not yet! ;)09:54
cjwatsonI hope dropping libtoolize doesn't break on ppc64el, but worst case it sits in -proposed09:54
* knome smells like beer already09:54
knomenot because i've had too much, but because i broke a bottle...09:54
knome:|09:54
knomeso that's it for the release preparations ;)09:55
nhainesknome: just means you have to have two now.  :)09:55
knomeheh, i will, later...09:55
utlemminginfinity, cjwatson: link to the release notes?10:14
xnoxutlemming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes ?10:14
xnoxutlemming: same place as always.10:14
knomexnox, that can't be it... too obvious10:14
utlemmingxnox: thanks....its early for me10:14
xnoxutlemming: =)10:14
knomesomebody should update the download links10:15
knomebefore we go live :P10:15
apwzequence, hey are you still editing the releasenotes, can i haz lock ?10:45
xnoxapw: yeah next adj is ubiquitarianism =)10:51
cjwatsonthat's a noun :)10:54
AlanBellhi, who is the release manager now?10:55
cjwatsonwe have a team ... what's the question?10:55
infinityThe answer is 3.10:56
AlanBellwho (if anyone) wants auto voicing in -release-party, it was skaet10:56
infinityI'm not sure if any of us want to brave -release-party.10:56
cjwatsonprobably folks in ~ubuntu-release should be10:56
cjwatsoncommons-daemon should be a trivial one, if we have buildd time10:58
infinityWe have pleeeeenty of time.10:59
infinity(And if it doesn't make it, we carry it over, meh)10:59
cjwatsonI should've put scilab on sagari.  Oh well11:00
cjwatsontook 1h18m on ross last time11:01
AlanBellok, anyone on the release team will be +v in -release-party, just marks those who know what they are talking about :)11:01
cjwatsonthanks11:01
knomeAlanBell, heyy... doesn't other people know what they are talking about?11:02
knomeAlanBell, like... flavor leads? ;)11:03
AlanBelloh shush :) it doesn't mean that unvoiced people *don't* know what they are talking about :)11:04
knomewell if we start voicing people, we should voice everybody who fits the definition.11:04
Laneyhaha, voice begging11:04
Laneyit's like op begging of old11:04
knomelol11:04
elfyknome: desperate to make the most of the last few hours as lead? :p11:04
knomeyes...11:04
knome;)11:04
knomei was thinking earlier that all OPs could have a voice.11:05
AlanBellknome: lets carry on this discussion in #ubuntu-ops11:05
cjwatsoninfinity: ... want to accept it, then? :)11:12
jamespageurgh - all of the openstack uploads are failing autopkgtest with "ubuntu-distro-info: Distribution data outdated."11:14
tumbleweedjamespage: we need a name for U :/11:15
cjwatsonjamespage: oh for god's sake11:17
nhainestumbleweed: unctuous urchin11:17
cjwatsondo we have any way to tell that that's the only failure?11:17
xnoxstgraber: the set of netboot products for trusty on arm* doesn't make sense: opam, armadaxp, omap, omap4 are gone, generic-lpae is missing, and arm64-generic is missing.11:18
Laneytumbleweed: this happens every cycle now ...11:18
tumbleweedLaney: has someone beaten up sabdfl yet?11:18
Laneymaybe we could consider making distro-info fall back to stable or something11:18
cjwatsonIt is absurd that distro-info has no fallback, still11:18
xnoxLaney: we did add fallback to distro-info, i thought.11:18
tumbleweedthe trick is to use distro-info carefully11:18
Laneyclearly not11:18
Laneyyou have to make every consumer take care of this11:19
xnox=(11:19
LaneyI think pull-lp-source does, for example11:19
tumbleweedbecause there's no obvious right thing to do11:19
Laneyprint warning, return stable11:19
Laneyunless i'm missing some way that is terrible11:19
tumbleweedmaybe we should give a few days grace11:20
cjwatsonjibel: is there any way we could hack run-adt-test to not fail everything for toda?11:21
cjwatson*today11:21
cjwatsonjibel: e.g. http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-cinder/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/81/console11:21
jibelcjwatson, yes, I'll fix this.11:22
cjwatsonjibel: thanks - I'd prefer not to force the openstack packages through without autopkgtests, if we can avoid it11:22
infinitycjwatson: "it"?11:27
infinitycjwatson: Oh, commons-daemon.11:27
infinityDaviey: *nudge*11:28
cjwatsonyeah11:28
infinityDaviey: Something something, mythbuntu, something.11:28
infinityBuilding source ISOs.  Whee.11:29
cjwatsongood thing I updated ALL_PROJECTS a couple of minutes ago :11:29
cjwatson:)11:30
zequenceinfinity: Just marked us as ready. Thanks for helping us out so much these last days!11:31
jamespagethree more openstack components left - zul is doing heat, waiting on release for glance and neutron11:32
jibelcjwatson, done. I re-ran failed jobs.11:32
cjwatsonxnox: any chance somebody with bandwidth could test that (a) they can reproduce bug 1307875 (b) the package in -proposed fixes it?11:32
ubot2Launchpad bug 1307875 in scilab (Ubuntu) "GUI is not usable saying module gui is not installed on scilab" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130787511:32
cjwatsonjibel: thanks11:32
cjwatsonhopefully adt-britney will notice11:33
cjwatsonbut I'll force it otherwise ...11:33
xnoxcjwatson: i can do that.11:33
cjwatsonthanks11:33
Davieyinfinity: thanks. duff, beer. don't mind if i do.11:34
infinityDaviey: So, yeah.  Something about you guys needing/wanting to mirror images.  But also, they could use some testing in the iso tracker.11:35
infinityDaviey: Pretty please on the latter.11:35
infinityzequence: \o/11:35
Davieyinfinity: i would.. but cannot today. tried to drum up othera.11:39
infinityDaviey: Try harder, please? :)11:45
infinityDaviey: Even just a boot/install/reboot smoketest would be fine.  Don't care if it's thoroughly tested, just need to be sure it won't set computers on fire if we release it.11:45
cjwatsonxnox: any luck with scilab?  hopefully should just be a quick test ...11:50
Davieyinfinity: if nobody beats me, i can do it in 1hr.11:52
cjwatsonhuh, why are oxide-qt/webbrowser-app republishing in -updates?  did we forget an override?11:55
cjwatsonoh, phased updates11:57
xnoxcjwatson: get loads of traceback from release, upgrading to proposed version now.11:58
xnoxcjwatson: -proposed looks better.12:01
xnoxat least doesn't vomit java tracebacks.12:01
cjwatsonand the ui starts up?12:01
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xnoxcjwatson: yeap and i get the toolbox with drag&drop tools working.12:05
* xnox should stop playing with discrete signal generators12:06
jamespageok - everything apart from glance has now been uploaded - that just pending build testing by zul12:07
infinityjamespage: Timing++12:07
infinitycjwatson: We probably want to phase any 0-day SRUs at 100% out of the gate?12:08
cjwatsonxnox: ok, good enough for me - unblocked, thanks12:08
cjwatsoninfinity: yeah, I would have done here if I'd noticed, but I'm sure this one will sort itself out12:09
jibelinfinity, I'll update the release notes with the most important bugs we found and send the testing report. Unless there is an emergency fix to verify, testing is over and Ubuntu Desktop is okay.12:11
infinityjibel: Ta.12:11
jibeljamespage, there is no result on the tracker for MaaS, raid1 and jeos12:12
infinityjibel: Can you poke the lubuntu people about marking images ready and if they do or don't want to release ppc?12:12
jamespagejibel, my maas people are not up yet12:12
jibelinfinity, I will12:12
infinityjibel: You're a champion.12:12
jamespagejibel, as soon as beisner is around he's got a rig setup to test this12:13
jibeljamespage, thanks12:13
cjwatsonurgh, I didn't realise keystone was a 3h30m build12:14
infinityWe've got some time to get it through.12:14
cjwatson2h10m in12:14
cjwatsonat least its autopkgtests are quick12:15
jamespagecjwatson, neither did I (realize its build took that long)12:17
infinitycjwatson: Just gives up time to fix two more FTBFSes. ;)12:17
infinitycjwatson: Oh, also, probably time to give up on gcl and force wxmaxima. :P12:17
cjwatsonOr we could just leave it given that the change doesn't fix anything important.12:18
cjwatsonhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/13.04.2-2 <- basically just porting anyway12:18
cjwatsonoh, that's a sync over an Ubuntu change12:19
cjwatson-Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), libwxgtk2.8-dev (>= 2.8.4), autotools-dev12:19
cjwatson+Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), dh-autoreconf, libwxgtk3.0-dev12:19
cjwatsonI guess the wxgtk version might matter.12:19
infinityYeah.12:19
cjwatsonOK, I'll force it12:20
highvoltageo/12:25
jibelmlankhorst, are you still editing the release notes, if not can you release the lock?12:36
mlankhorstok done12:37
jibelthanks12:39
nhainesI found a release note typo...12:40
cjwatsonIt's a wiki, please do copy-edit and such12:41
nhaines"Our 14.04 release image are now available for consumption" in the Touch/ How to install or update section should be "images".12:41
nhainesOh, not locked?  I'm on it then.12:41
cjwatsonWell, if the wiki edit lock isn't taken.12:41
nhainesAlso ping jibel.12:41
nhainescjwatson: I just wasn't expecting it to be world-editable, that's all.12:41
Riddellooh all ready :)12:45
nhainescjwatson: annndd it's immutable again.12:45
Aurvandillhello12:45
Riddellare we nearly there yet?12:45
RiddellAurvandill: join #ubuntu-release-party for chat about release12:46
Aurvandillok12:46
cjwatsonnhaines: Are you logged in?12:47
nhainescjwatson: yeah.  I had edit permissions, but of course there was an edit lock.12:47
nhainesNo, let me refresh.12:47
cjwatsonnhaines: anyway, I've fixed that line12:47
nhainescjwatson: thanks.  :)12:48
jibeljamespage, in the release notes, in the section Server/MaaS 1.5, the link Kernel/LTSEnablementStack is broken12:50
cjwatsonjibel: I have the lock, I'll fix it12:51
cjwatsonit was just a backwards link12:51
Riddelljust for good luck ↑12:53
cjwatsoninfinity: is the list of LTS flavours at the top of the release notes accurate?  I thought there were more this cycle12:54
cjwatsonor am I thinking of three-year support?12:54
infinitycjwatson: I think that's right.  The LP change knows for sure.  Or the TB history.12:56
cjwatsonmkay12:56
infinitycjwatson: Everybody's LTS this time (yay), but only those are 5y.12:56
nhainesJust made a quick change to the Touch notes where a header wasn't marked up right.  Fixed the h4 markup.12:56
cjwatsonOK, right12:57
sil2100Hello dear release team! We're in the middle of releasing a unity8-desktop-session fix that we would love as a 0-day SRU (it's rather severe for that project, LP: #1308891) - would anyone have time to make this happen?13:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 1308891 in unity8-desktop-session trunk "[SRU] indicators not started" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130889113:15
sil2100It should be landing in UNAPPROVED shortly13:15
nhainesWell that was timely.13:16
cjwatsonwe could probably even still squeeze that into the release pocket, right?  it's not on any images13:16
infinityYep.13:18
infinitySqueeze on MacDuff.13:18
infinityI'll warn before I close the archive for good.13:18
cjwatsonok, unblocking that then13:19
jamespagesorry -keystone still building13:20
cjwatsonSaviq: initctl emit --no-wait is possibly your friend, btw13:20
* jamespage makes a note to see if its unit tests can be run in parallel like everything else does next cycle13:20
cjwatsonbut since you've tested that I guess that job control works in that shell :)13:21
cjwatsonjamespage: ETA 25 minutes or so based on the last build13:21
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john1999!isitoutyet13:24
ubot2No john1999, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :)13:24
cjwatsoninfinity: did you want to unblock python-taskflow as well as forcing its autopkgtests?13:24
cjwatsonjohn1999: please go to #ubuntu-release-party for that kind of thing.  This is a working channel13:25
infinitycjwatson: Oh.  Yes, yes I do.13:25
john1999you mean you guys r actually working on the build right now?13:25
cjwatsonjohn1999: yes, please leave us in peace to finish it13:26
john1999cjwatson: just a question13:26
john1999cjwatson: please13:26
john1999cjwatson: how is ubuntu 14.04 minimal build comming along?13:26
cjwatsonThere are several things you might mean by that and I have no idea which.13:27
cjwatsonBut, regardless, now really isn't the time.13:27
john1999cjwatson: ok13:27
john1999cjwatson: mind if I just listen?13:28
cjwatsonWe don't mind lurkers13:28
john1999ok! i'm fully silent now!13:28
Saviqcjwatson, indeed, thanks13:30
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Bernard685!help13:43
ubot2Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience13:43
Bernard685!countdown13:43
ubot2Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Trusty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2702/13:43
knomeBernard685, stop that.13:43
knomeBernard685, join #ubuntu-release-party if you want to anticipate the release with others13:43
john1999Bernard685: that will only delay the release13:43
Bernard685Okay13:44
Bernard685thx13:44
knomeBernard685, john1999: you should both leave this channel.13:44
Aaruniquick question : are these ~190 people the people who're working/testing/building/uploading the images ?13:44
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cjwatsonOK, channel moderated for today so that we don't have to keep answering questions; I've tried to voice release/flavour-team/QA/web types, please let me know if you have a legitimate need to coordinate here and I've missed you13:50
knomecjwatson, zequence13:50
cjwatsonta13:51
knomenp13:51
Riddellcjwatson: what needs to be done still for release? (my girlfriend wants to know when I'll take her to the beach :)13:51
cjwatsonRiddell: infinity has the master keys :)13:51
Riddellinfinity: my relationship is in your hands ↑13:52
knomeRiddell, lol, just go out ;)13:52
cjwatsongrumble, keystone now 10min behind schedule13:54
jamespagesorry cjwatson and damn software which run tests in serial and have soooo many of them13:55
jamespagecjwatson, at least neutron as the manners to run 27k of them in parallel if possible13:56
infinityRiddell: I don't think you need to be around for the final push, do you?13:59
infinityRiddell: Which will be in 2 or 3 hours, I imagine (last night's respin threw us off a bit).14:00
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Riddellinfinity: web pages need publishing, tweets need tweeting.  plus it's always satisfying to be around for it14:00
infinityRiddell: Heh.  Could you pass the web bit off to ScottK?14:01
RiddellI have apachelogger helping lots and shadeslayer too14:01
* infinity nods.14:01
infinityRiddell: So, I'll do the initial push soonish, but won't send the release announce until the mirrors settle a bit.14:02
infinityRiddell: But you could certainly push out your blog stuff in between A and B.14:02
utlemminginfinity: let me know when to make the cloud images public14:04
infinityDaviey: Any indication on the state of myth testing?14:04
infinityAnd someone needs to tell me what's up with ubuntugnome.14:05
infinityjibel: Find me GNOME and Myth people to say nice things about their images? :)14:05
Davieyinfinity: trying to test it now... but i am not in the most ideal of situations.14:05
jibelinfinity, for Myth it'll be hard, they didn't even test the release, I'll try to find ubuntu gnome people14:10
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Davieyjibel / infinity: tgm4883 is taking over the testing of Myth.  He'll have results in 1 hour.14:20
Daviey(I was trying to test over 3g->ssh->vnc to a remote server.. wasn't so great)14:20
jibelinfinity, not much feedback from people on #ubuntu-gnome. I asked whoever is responsible of Ubuntu Gnome to join this channel and coordinate with you.14:21
knomelooks like their qa lead is amjjawad, not around now14:23
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LaneyTim said he might not be around for release, don't know about Ali14:32
LaneyChecking that the cat is still alive after installing ubuntu-gnome just in case nobody better turns up14:32
infinityLaney: Yeah, they seem to have marked all their tests up, but no one marked the images ready, so just want to be sure.14:36
LaneyYep14:36
LaneyI'll do it if it gets too late14:36
infinityLaney: If I don't hear back, I'll publish them regardless, I think.14:36
LaneySeems to ~work14:36
Riddellit's this sort of scenario where you need phone numbers to hassle people14:37
cjwatsonjamespage: I assume we're kind of committed to waiting for keystone at this point, rather than shipping a mixed release ...14:52
jamespagecjwatson, I'd rather yes14:52
jamespagecjwatson, technically it is just a version change14:53
jamespageI'm trying to calc how long its got left14:53
cjwatsonYeah, it's towards the end of the test suite but still a fair bit to go14:54
Davieyjamespage: it's just ascetics, no code change?14:54
cjwatsonaesthetics14:55
jamespagecjwatson, Daviey: yes it is so we can go without it if need be14:55
Davieycjwatson: That aswell.14:55
jamespagecjwatson, how much longer can we wait?14:55
cjwatsonOTOH I would rather we didn't have to try to flip the switch to release when there's actually a build in flight14:56
cjwatsonI'm not sure if that's allowed14:56
wgrantPlease don't.14:56
wgrantWe might be better off backreving the release pocket :)14:56
cjwatsonClearly infinity can be pushing out images beforehand, if he isn't already14:56
wgrantOh14:56
wgrantYou mean mixed as in between openstack projects, not like a mixed keystone.14:56
cjwatsonYes14:56
cjwatsonI'd rather not though, just 'cos it's so close14:57
stgraberjamespage: are the numbers on the right how long it took for the test?14:57
stgraberif so, 53min14:57
jamespageyes14:57
stgraber(based on the rc2 times for all remaining tests)14:57
jamespagestgraber, but its running alot slower than the previous version14:57
cjwatsonI guess brownie is a chunk faster than lamiak14:58
cjwatsonIf I'd realised I'd have forced it there four hours ago14:58
stgraberjamespage: hmm, indeed, around 50% slower for the past few tests, so if that stays true, it should be done in 1.5h then...14:59
jamespageI reckon about 1 hr14:59
rbasakI make it 90% done through the tests (without weighting them for run time).15:02
rbasakAssuming tests are the majority of the time there, that makes it ~26 minutes.15:05
stgraberrbasak: unfortunately there is a big batch of long running tests later on so I'd expect things to take quite a big longer than that15:06
stgraberanyway, not much we can do but wait15:07
rbasakstgraber: well, I can weight it then. Now I make it ~49 minutes :)15:10
rbasak(as in, that's what I can do while we wait :-)15:10
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xnoxinfinity: cjwatson: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ has beta2 images, or are those in progress to be purged?15:37
cjwatsonxnox: in progress15:37
xnoxcjwatson: ack.15:37
cjwatsonseems to be stuck pushing to acai at the moment15:38
cjwatsonThink about the practicalities for just one second.15:49
stgraber?15:51
knomethere needs to be a better release plan next time... especially with the 16.04 lts release.15:51
infinityknome: What's wrong with this one?  It's still release day.15:52
jamespageat last...15:52
knomeupload to a secret server, then when it's ready, point cdimage.ubuntu.com DNS to that?15:52
infinityknome: People expecting a specific time of day are wrong.15:52
knomeinfinity, well, cjwatson not being able to push updates to the server because it's hammered...15:52
knomeinfinity, i'm not saying there should be a specific time.15:52
infinityknome: Oh, yes, that's a problem.  We need to have less impatient users. :)15:52
infinityknome: (And yes, we could make the infra saner)15:52
knomei'm saying the developers need to be able to do their work...15:53
knomethat would also make us able to release sooner15:53
cjwatsonHow about for once we talk about this when it *isn't* release day.15:53
highvoltage+115:53
jamespage+115:53
knomei'm all for that, just saying.15:53
knomeis ther and agenda page for the release team meetings? either i can't see it or it doesn't exist15:54
cjwatsonWe don't have release team meetings15:54
infinityknome: The latter.15:54
cjwatsonExcept sometimes at UDS15:54
knomeoh... weekly coordination?15:55
knomeoh, that's on the mailing list15:55
infinityknome: Can we bring these things up next week? :P15:55
* knome hides under the table in shame15:55
knomeinfinity, i was about to do that.15:55
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cjwatsonoho, keystone finished16:02
cjwatsonso autopkgtest, copy, done16:02
cjwatson*publish, done16:02
cjwatsonJackYu: You need to talk to infinity16:09
Davieyinfinity: Problem found with mythbuntu.  Probably affecting 25% or so of new installs.16:09
LaneySomething weird's going on with the moderation16:10
LaneyJ_ackYu isn't voiced so I guess only cjwatson can see wha the's saying16:10
stgrabercjwatson: you may want to voice JackYu16:10
Davieyinfinity: One line tested fix, can we upload & respin ? :)16:10
infinityDaviey: ...16:10
cjwatsonOh whoops16:10
LaneyDidn't know that it worked like that...16:10
cjwatson17:07 <JackYu> hi cjwatson, could we release a previous iso?16:10
cjwatson17:08 <JackYu> cjwatson, I mean http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntukylin/daily-live/20140416.3/, not 20140417 or 20140417.116:10
cjwatson17:09 <JackYu> cjwatson, thanks16:10
cjwatson17:09 <JackYu> infinity, hi16:10
cjwatson17:10 <tgm4883> Daviey, 15%16:10
LaneyI guess that's why "Think about the practicailities" came out of nowhere too16:10
stgraberJackYu: hmm, wouldn't that mean releasing with the critical unity bug?16:11
infinityJackYu: Seriously?  I don't think that's remotely sane.  Why?16:11
JackYuinfinity, stgraber, we want to install ubuntu-kylin-docs instead of ubuntu-doc, but we got a problem that both of them are not there...16:12
infinityJackYu: I thought 17.1 fixed that.16:12
Davieytgm4883: Can you prepare an upload, that we can at least prep for SRU.16:12
JackYuinfinity, not yet.16:12
tgm4883Daviey, i'll work on it with superm116:13
infinityubuntu-kylin-docs14.04.316:13
infinityJackYu: It's installed on your ISOs, I can see it in the manifest.16:13
cjwatsonDaviey: What's the problem here?16:14
Davieycjwatson: bug 1309084, postrm issue that is only exposed on an advanced style install.16:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 1309084 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Mythbuntu installer crashes when installing frontend only" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130908416:14
JackYuinfinity, let me check. ypwong did the test. I'm still downloading it...16:14
slangasekcjwatson: thanks for taking care of cloud-installer.  where can I help this morning?16:15
Davieycjwatson: http://imagebin.org/30616116:15
cjwatsonPici: Well, I'm not sure that was totally right ...16:15
Piciuhh16:15
slangasekknome: breaking a bottle?! we're releasing an OS, not a ship16:16
Davieycjwatson: Providing that ubiquity still pulls in updates from the archive, I think it's reasonable to release with this known issue - if we can 0day the fix.16:16
knomeslangasek, lol ;)16:16
knomeslangasek, don't worry, i'm making up for it by drinking more beer. i promise!16:16
Picicjwatson: sorry :/16:16
cjwatsonSorry, this is a mess, I hate fancy IRC tricks16:17
Riddellinfinity: I'm running out, shadeslayer and apachelogger are in control of Kubuntu release16:18
cjwatson17:16 <ypwong> infinity, it's removed somehow by unknown reason (i haven't dug deeper) as can be seen in /var/log/installer/syslog16:18
knomeRiddell, have a nice day! :)16:19
cjwatsonDaviey: ubiquity can be told to, though it requires a server-side switch and isn't all that well-tested16:19
cjwatsonDaviey: I don't think we have time for a ubiquity update today though16:19
ogra_stgraber, so we would like "flo mako manta generic generic_x86" 302 from devel/trusty to become 11 stable16:20
stgraberogra_: now or waiting for 14.04 to be actually released first?16:20
cjwatsonkeystone is publishing to release now16:20
cjwatsonafter that I think the archive is closed for business16:20
ogra_stgraber, together with the release16:21
cjwatsonslangasek: spotting anything we've missed16:21
Davieycjwatson: It's a silly space issue, pretty easy to validate.  What would you suggest happens now?16:21
ogra_stgraber, just wanted to make sure you have the arch list and numbers :)16:21
slangasekack. is there a release announcement draft somewhere?16:21
stgraberogra_: ok, I can turn off publishing and do it now, though if I do that, you won't have anything publishing in any channel until then16:21
cjwatsonDaviey: advanced case only?  can we release-note it?16:21
ogra_stgraber, well, i dont think we will tinker with any image anymore now :) do as it pleases you and as it causes least work for you16:22
infinityDaviey: Given that it's an LTS, release noting and fixing it for 14.04.1 might be good enough?16:22
Davieycjwatson: Tastes rubbish, but I think it's a reasonable thing.  It is recoverable, doesn't burn the system.16:22
cjwatsonDaviey: We can't turn around a ubiquity upload in much less than an hour, and then there would be image builds; we would be cutting it extremely fine16:22
cjwatsonAnd working on tired developers16:23
infinityTired developers that want cake. :/16:23
Davieycjwatson: Sorry, it's not a ubiquity issue. it's a mythtv package issue. Which is reasonably quick IIRC, but the publish and spin is time consuming16:23
stgraberogra_: adding/removing devices doesn't take any time, though the copy might, so may as well do it now16:23
stgraberogra_: so I'll do all that now, hands off cdimage/system-image until release then :)16:24
cjwatsonI want to see the diffs for both the mythbuntu and kylin fixes16:24
cjwatsonbut I have a hard stop in <1h and will then be offline for the duration16:24
JackYuinfinity, hi, in this case, could we release a previous build?16:24
stgraberogra_: and just to confirm, you want me to drop grouper and maguro from there, not just keep them on an old version right?16:24
cjwatsonJackYu: there are no previous builds that don't have a fatal security flaw, as I understand it16:25
infinityJackYu: A previous build still wouldn't have your docs, and would also not match the archive sources and moss out on other fixes.16:25
ogra_stgraber, i want them to stay around16:25
infinitys/moss/miss/16:25
stgraberogra_: ok, why?16:25
ogra_stgraber, we dont want to drop the old releases for arches we dont build for anymore16:25
cjwatsonI don't think we have a lot of options here, in either the Myth or Kylin cases16:25
ogra_stgraber, so people can still tinker with tehse devices if they need to16:25
JackYucjwatson, infinity, yep, but a previous version has the ubuntu-docs...16:26
infinityJackYu: Could you hack around this by having an ubuntukylin-default-settings SRU that just depends on the docs and pulls them in post-install?16:26
stgraberogra_: ok, it may be slightly confusing to them that they'll get saucy on those and trusty for the others, but whatever :)16:26
cjwatsonJackYu: And a lock screen that can be bypassed in ten seconds.16:26
ogra_stgraber, we dont remove armel images from releases.u.c either when we drop the arch ;)16:26
stgraberogra_: yeah but we don't exactly support saucy on touch either :)16:26
infinityJackYu: Or your software-center fork, or something that's always on your images.16:26
JackYucjwaton, OK.16:26
cjwatsonI like infinity's suggestion here, if it's implementable16:27
stgraberogra_: anyway, I'm happy to keep them around and wipe them off system-image when saucy goes EOL in 3 months16:27
ogra_stgraber, true, but i think its evil to just wipe old releases16:27
ogra_ah yeah16:27
JackYucjwaton, infinity, so your suggestion is we fix this after this release?16:27
cjwatsonBut basically our choices at this point are to release what we have with release notes (and maybe try to mitigate in SRUs, and certainly fix properly in the next point release) or not release the affected images at all16:27
ogra_touch might also have a new release by then16:27
ogra_:=16:27
ogra_:)16:27
cjwatsonI don't think we have time and energy to go through another respin cycle16:27
JackYucjwatson, infinity, I agree:)16:28
cjwatsonThe UK release team are all eight hours into their day after a week of pretty consistent overtime16:28
cjwatsonWe *could* build myth and kylin out of updates and release them tomorrow, or something, but it's a public holiday in many places so that relies on Canonical release staff being available16:29
cjwatsonI won't be16:29
infinityI'd prefer not to be.16:29
cjwatsonSo those are the parameters, I think; the affected flavour leads need to decide16:30
cjwatsonI guess that's a decision from Kylin16:31
JackYucjwatson, :). It's Apr 18 here16:32
infinityIt sure is.16:32
cjwatson keystone | 1:2014.1-0ubuntu1                            | trusty           | source, all16:34
cjwatsonWe should probably lock the archive soon16:34
Davieycjwatson: debdiff on way.16:34
slangasekinfinity: do you have a release announcement draft somewhere that I'm not finding?16:34
infinitycjwatson: Yeah, methinks I shall lock it down now.16:35
infinityslangasek: I haz something I can pastebin for review.16:35
slangasekinfinity: yes please16:35
stgraberogra_: system-image is ready. For some reason, the code fails to generate deltas for the stable channel but I don't think it's a big deal right now since forcing a full upgrade when moving from saucy to trusty is probably a good thing anyway.16:36
joseinfinity, slangasek: news team here, if we can have it as well to x-post in the Fridge asap it'd be awesome16:36
cjwatsonDaviey: OK.  I still think we need you folks to make a decision based on the parameters above, unless somebody volunteers to help with a Mythbuntu publication from an image built from -updates later tonight16:36
ogra_stgraber, definitely ... we want to be sure boot.img gets upgraded ... i guess full upgrade is the safest for that16:36
stgraberogra_: I'll figure out what's going on with the deltas next week because those really should be generated on the fly when missing...16:36
ogra_yeah16:37
ogra_i doubt a delta between saucy and trusty would be a useful size anyway16:37
JackYuinfinity, hi the release note of Ubuntu Kylin is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kylin16:37
infinityJackYu: Lovely, thanks.16:39
knomeinfinity, everything fine with the release notes? :)16:40
infinityknome: Looks good enough to me.  And, hey, it's a wiki.16:40
knomeinfinity, yep. goodie :)16:40
infinityknome: So, if people don't like 'em, they can fix. ;)16:40
xnoxjose: we didn't push release announcement yet.16:40
joseI'm aware :)16:41
knomecjwatson, can you voice elfy?16:41
knomeor Pici..16:42
Pici:)16:42
Davieycjwatson: see the upload ^^16:43
infinityDaviey: Fun bug.  And would have been worth a respin for if people had tested yesterday.16:45
Davieyinfinity: indeed.16:46
Davieyinfinity: So, do we release note this? Or hope to do a respin in an hour?16:46
infinityDaviey: I mean, ultimately, it's up to you guys if you'd prefer to pull the image and fix this later, but $later might be timed poorly with the long weekend, etc.16:47
DavieyEither way, should I accept this into proposed as SRU?16:47
infinityDaviey: I'll accept the upload, yeah, then we can figure out what to do with it.16:47
Laneydidrocks: you're expecting that to go to updates?16:51
infinityDaviey: If you could smoketest very, very, very quickly, I could respin Myth tonight and release just you guys late. :/16:51
didrocksLaney: yeah, no rush on it. I was discussing if they needed a whole SRU bug or if it was considered as 0-day SRU16:52
slangasekinfinity: everything's in the archive for myth to allow that?16:52
didrocksLaney: as it's a crasher fix, I'm unsure a full SRU bug is needed (and for me, there is no rush anyway, as it will be only when we rebuild a Touch image, which will be on Tuesday I guess)16:52
Davieyinfinity: If you would be willing to do that, You'd earn yourself beer tokens and the appreciation of mythbuntu users worldwide.16:53
Laneydidrocks: Normally, yes, certainly - every SRU needs to come with a bug16:54
Davieyinfinity: Talking to superm1 and tgm4883, we are in agreement that we'd prefer to delay the release if need be for this.16:54
Davieyinfinity: So if you are willing to pull a respin, we'd be most grateful16:54
cjwatsonPerhaps somebody in the US could help instead / as well?16:55
infinityDaviey: It'll need to earn me more than beer, but yeah, I can make it happen.16:55
LaneyNot sure exactly when SRU rules start to apply16:55
didrocksLaney: yeah, I was exactly unsure of that ;)16:55
infinityDaviey: I can also jam mythtv into the release pocket for you, if no one else ships it...16:55
infinityAnd indeed, no one does.16:56
Davieyinfinity: Erm, superm1 is concerned that there is another issue. I think it's sounding safer just to defer this.16:56
didrocksLaney: the bug attached to the MP is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/129729716:56
infinity...16:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 1297297 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Click scope crash during search when going out of WiFi" [Critical,In progress]16:56
infinityDaviey: Eventually, we have to call it good enough.16:56
cjwatsonDefer to what?16:56
infinityDaviey: Fixing the critical installer failure is one thing, but some bugs just need to be SRUed later.16:56
cjwatsonAre you suggesting not shipping Mythbuntu at all until 14.04.1?16:56
didrocksLaney: it's not in the generated changelog? (should be) want me to check?16:56
cjwatson(Which would be ... new)16:56
Laneydidrocks: it is16:56
infinitysuperm1: What's the "other thing"?16:57
didrocksah, phew :)16:57
Laneydidrocks: I'm in one team but not the other one, you see16:57
Davieyinfinity: installs on Nvidia seems to be crashing the installer.16:57
didrocksLaney: yeah, as it's not released, I was thinking it would go to -proposed16:57
LaneyBasically I'm saying I don't know if I should. :P16:57
didrocksLaney: and then, copied over as the rest of things there16:57
didrocks(that are in -proposed)16:57
LaneyI guess so16:57
infinityDaviey: If that's really the case, and not some odd local problem, I think we should just pull it completely and revisit the option of maybe a week-late release for Myth or something.16:58
LaneyI just did a test kylin install and indeed ubuntu-kylin-docs was removed16:58
DavieyI think it's a total failure on time based release, but pushing out an ISO a week later seems more sensible16:58
popeyDaviey: i can test mythtv install on my nvidia desktop if that's any use?16:59
infinityLaney: Yeah, I don't doubt that.  But it's fixable in an SRU.16:59
Davieypopey: That would be useful, you can probably get it faster from http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/iso/mythbuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso16:59
LaneyI'm sure it is, was just making sure16:59
* popey wgets16:59
cjwatsonOh drat17:00
infinityDaviey: We're itching to release the rest of the world, so I think we need to just take a hard line here soon.17:00
popeyDaviey: do you have a bug which details what I need to do to reproduce this?17:00
LaneyDaviey: 12.04.3?17:00
cjwatson17:56 <superm1> yes lets defer17:00
cjwatson17:56 <superm1> i'm investigating another bad issue that just popped up crashing install17:00
cjwatson17:57 <superm1> infinity: w/ real nvidia HW the installer crashes on one of the pages17:00
cjwatson17:57 <superm1> it's a crash in one of our plugins17:00
infinityDaviey: I'm willing to help with a leisurely late release next week, instead of panicking today.17:00
cjwatson17:58 <superm1> yes i think that would be the way to go17:00
infinitysuperm1: Ahh, kay.  Now that Colin pasted your messages.  Yeah, I'll just pull your images, and let's sort this next week.17:00
superm1ok17:00
infinitysuperm1: Very willing to help, just not willing to help under pressure, if that's cool.17:01
superm1sorry guys :(17:01
DavieySorry for the crappy panic.17:01
popeysuperm1: got a bug number?17:01
tgm4883infinity, i'll update our wiki to direct to a page with a statement17:01
superm1popey: not yet, i'll get one filed momentarily17:01
popeyok17:01
cjwatsonOK, I have to go and we're close enough ...17:01
Laneydidrocks: I'll accept it and then you can get the SRU team to deal with the next bit17:02
Laneyhow about that17:02
didrocksLaney: sounds good to me17:02
didrocksthanks Laney!17:02
didrocksLaney: I'm not a fan of the fix FWIW17:02
Laneyyou should find out where the leak is coming from :-)17:02
didrocksbut I guess it's better than not having it :p17:02
whiskers75I would suggest blocking releases.ubuntu.com to the general public.17:02
didrocksLaney: agreed, that's up to upstream anyway :p17:02
cjwatsonwhiskers75: Far too late17:02
cjwatsonWe dealt with things17:03
popeyDaviey: you sure about that url... 12.04..?17:03
Davieypopey: Yeah, i just PM'd yopu17:04
DASPRiDwhiskers75, why that?17:05
xnoxwhiskers75: no.17:05
mdeslaurthe trusty release notes are a bit odd in the "upgrading from Ubuntu 13.10" section17:06
xnoxmdeslaur: let me check.17:06
mdeslaur"Open Software Sources." followed by "Press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager" "17:06
infinitysuperm1: Alright, Myth images pulled, that's pushing to cdimage now.17:06
didrocksthanks Laney!17:07
xnoxmdeslaur: the way i read it, 4 ways to upgrade. Not step by step.17:07
xnoxmdeslaur: do you want me to change into step by step lists instead ?17:07
cjwatsonThat's definitely not four ways to upgrade.17:07
xnoxmdeslaur: it did give me a "?-/" face17:07
cjwatsonThe second to fourth are clearly a sequence.17:07
Naxiz19:02 < whiskers75> I would suggest blocking releases.ubuntu.com to the general public.17:08
cjwatsonIt looks like a leftover.17:08
cjwatsonNaxiz: Please stop.17:08
cjwatsonIt is not the time to harp on a problem from an hour or two ago17:08
Naxizsorry i pressed wrong button17:08
furball707People are spamming the servers still17:09
mdeslauryeah, second to fourth look good, but the "Open Software Sources" line probably can be deleted completely17:10
cjwatsonmdeslaur: done17:12
cjwatsonmaclin: fyi your release notes lock timed out17:12
mdeslaurcjwatson: thanks17:13
cjwatsoninfinity: you should be able to edit stuff now17:19
popeydaviey / superm1: got that bug for me? I have a usb stick booted.17:19
superm1popey: 130911917:20
maclincjwatson, sorry, I finish update now^17:20
popeysuperm1: ta17:20
superm1sure17:20
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popeysuperm1: any specific options or just defaults?17:21
superm1popey: it will reproduce with defaults if you have nvidia hw in system17:21
popeyok17:21
whiskers75infinity: so it's released into the repos?17:21
ogra_whiskers75, please wait for the release announcement you will clearly notice17:23
whiskers75ogra_: sure, sorry. do we have any etas?17:24
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ogra_any minute :)17:24
john1999ogra_: is ubuntu minimal gonna be released soon?17:24
ogra_stgraber, do you do the copying for the phone images ?17:24
xnoxwebsite will go live first.17:24
whiskers75ogra_: ooh good, finally ;)17:24
ogra_john1999, together with everything else17:24
whiskers75what about do-release-upgrades?17:24
cjwatsonThis isn't #ubuntu-release-party, people.  If you aren't directly involved with the release, please stop asking.17:24
stgraberogra_: copy is done, I'll do the publish now17:24
john1999ogra_: ok I wasn't sure you compiled it17:25
ogra_awesome !17:25
ogra_didrocks, see above17:25
cjwatsonThere'll be an announcement soon enough.17:25
didrocksogra_: saw it, ready to send emails once the official announce is done :) THanks!17:25
ogra_:)17:25
* ogra_ pets his phone 17:25
didrocksstgraber: ogra_: thanks!17:25
stgraberogra: "description": "ubuntu=20140417,device=20140411.3,version=11",17:26
ogra_yay17:26
ogra_so phone is live :)17:26
PaulW2Uaway back later17:26
* whiskers75 claps17:26
tgm4883Can someone remove Mythbuntu 14.04 from torrent.ubuntu.com ? It seems that is a valid torrent right now17:27
cjwatsontgm4883: doing17:27
whiskers75tgm4883: that's been discussed, I think17:27
tgm4883cjwatson, thanks17:27
cjwatsontgm4883: done17:28
cjwatson(modulo rsync)17:28
cjwatsonyeah, visible17:28
svineet!isitout17:30
ubot2No svineet, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :)17:30
svineetubot2 good bot. Biscuit?17:30
ubot2svineet: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:30
bdmurraycjwatson: is somebody handling the meta-release file or shall I?17:31
cjwatsonbdmurray: check with infinity whether it's OK, I was about to sign out for Easter17:31
cjwatsonbdmurray: you know we aren't offering it for LTS upgrades yet, right?17:31
cjwatson(until .1)17:31
bdmurraycjwatson: right, I remember that17:31
NaughxHave a great week-end. :)17:32
whiskers75What does 'Archive: Limbo' mean?17:32
knomecjwatson, thanks for everything, sorry for distracting before, and have a good holiday :)17:32
bdmurrayinfinity: shall I take care of the meta-release change?17:32
Guest92736whiskers75: it means it's neither 14.10 nor 14.0417:32
cjwatsonIt means no uploads are going to be processed for a while; the new series needs to be created before much can happen17:33
whiskers75cjwatson: as in 14.04?17:34
tumbleweedand then we need a name...17:34
cjwatson"new series" -> the one after 14.0417:35
xnoxcjwatson: the website is deploying.... very very slowly.... it will be a while until it's live.17:35
whiskers75cjwatson: how does it get kicked out of limbo?17:35
xnoxcjwatson: after that release announce will be moderated.17:35
cjwatsonwhiskers75: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess17:35
* cjwatson -> gone17:36
josethank you, cjwatson17:37
whiskers75ah17:38
popeysuperm1: Daviey yeah, confirmed..17:40
nhainesThank you to everyone. :)17:41
superm1popey: i've got a simple fix that avoids the crash, but there is a little more to it because the driver isn't getting installed17:45
superm1popey: could you hop to #ubuntu-mythtv-dev for a moment?17:45
superm1i'll chat more with you there17:46
xnoxwe are waiting for bzr to auto-repack websites assets repository17:49
LaneyI had a look into the kylin-docs problem17:50
LaneyIt's in casper's manifest-remove, probably because it's installed using apt from their hook17:50
julien1ubuntu 14.04 is not yet released ?17:50
knomejulien1, no, and please stop asking17:51
AlanBelljulien1: please wait in #ubuntu-release-party, it will be announced when everything is ready17:51
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julien1knome: sorry asking this question on a channel named "ubuntu-release"17:53
julien1AlanBell: thanks17:53
DASPRiDjulien1, this channel is more for release organisation than "support" :)17:58
julien1DASPRiD: ok, sorry, i wait for the announce on ubuntu-release-party ;)17:59
LaneyThe Conflicts causes issues17:59
xnoxwebsite live on some frontends18:03
NaughxThe website was updated. :o18:05
knomedoes it echo here?18:05
john1999the minimal cd is not yet ouy?!18:08
john1999*out18:09
xnoxwebsite is released, announce email is out.18:09
whiskers75h00k: Will this release be available through software updater?18:09
whiskers75s/h00k/xnox18:09
xnoxwhiskers75: read release announcement.18:09
whiskers75xnox: where?18:10
xnoxhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html18:10
john1999xnox: please publish mini.iso too?18:10
xnoxjohn1999: it's published in the usual location.18:10
yofelkubuntu too, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ is empty18:11
whiskers75xnox: curse you and your 24th release date18:11
slangasekinfinity, cjwatson, stgraber, xnox, everyone else: yay, well done18:11
DASPRiDcongratz to the release everyone18:11
john1999xnox: it doesn't appear! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD!18:11
whiskers75xnox: ;P18:11
whiskers75xnox: I'm on 12.04...18:11
slangasekjohn1999: that page is not maintained by the release team18:11
Laneynice one18:11
john1999slangasek: so can you give me a link to it?18:12
yofeljohn1999: copy the 13.10 link, replace saucy with trusty and you should get it18:12
slangasekjohn1999: I would not recommend the minimal CD to anyone for use18:13
mrdevriesso the daily build of last night is in fact the final LTS? just got the e-mail :) congratulations guys, really awesome job :D18:13
whiskers75'Users of 12.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 14.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 24th'18:13
whiskers75D:18:13
john1999slangasek:  sorry I use my own WM (I can't do that unless I get the mini one!)18:13
Naughxhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ ... No zsync file. :(18:14
xnoxyofel: checking.18:15
john1999slangasek: I use dynamic window manager18:15
xnoxjohn1999: mini iso is published at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot18:15
xnoxwhiskers75: no cursing, please.18:15
john1999xnox I followed yofel instructions same thing18:15
whiskers75xnox: Sorry, it was meant lightly18:16
john1999are u sure it's not BETA?18:16
xnoxwhiskers75: upgrades will be enabled on july 24th.18:16
gmanany idea how long it takes software update to pick up 14.04?18:16
xnoxNaughx: investigating.18:16
yofeljohn1999: there is always only one image per release, so even if it says beta, it's not18:16
xnoxgman: until 24th of july, read the release announcement.18:17
bdmurrayslangasek: shall I take care of the meta-release changes? I already pushed them in bzr just need to update the server18:17
john1999ok yofel I'm gonna install it and DWM18:17
gmanah thanks18:17
whiskers75xnox: thanks18:17
john1999also did u fix the keyboard bug (13.10 doesn't work with any usb keyboard on my pc)18:17
slangasekbdmurray: I think it's great if you take care of the metarelease changes, thanks.  Per the discussion earlier, I believe this is to update showing 14.04 as an available upgrade only to 13.10 users, correct?18:17
* xnox investigating missing Kubuntu and Lubuntu download iso on the cdimage.18:18
Aurvandillhello you've linke xubuntu wrong18:18
shadeslayerinfinity: is cdimages.ubuntu.com exploding? The ISO's seem to be in a quantum state of existence18:18
infinitybdmurray: elmo wanted some warning on meta-release changes.18:18
xnoxshadeslayer: investigating.18:18
infinityshadeslayer: Yeah, I'm hunting that down.18:18
shadeslayersometimes the link works, while it doesn't at other times18:18
Aurvandillif i'm right here18:18
shadeslayerah cool, thx18:18
bdmurrayinfinity: ?18:18
mvo_infinity: oh, why (just curious)?18:19
john1999slangasek: btw my Dwmbuntu is personal distro (so I won't ever publish it)18:20
xnoxmvo_: which bit? kubuntu? it's correct on the master server, hunting #is to see how CDN is redirecting things.18:20
mvo_xnox: just the bit about meta-release changes18:20
infinitymvo_: For $reasons.  Just gimme a few.18:21
mvo_infinity: no problem, like I said, I'm just curious about it18:21
davmor2Riddell: what's up with your download page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/18:25
jibeldavmor2, the release team is on it.18:26
shadeslayerdavmor2: Kubuntu only supports Quantum computers with quantum ISO's18:26
shadeslayer;)18:27
davmor2shadeslayer: haha18:27
infinitymvo_ / bdmurray: IS is working on getting some archive servers back online, please hold off on meta-release until that happens.18:27
shadeslayerthough yeah, /me is waiting for someone to fix that so I can publish my blog post18:28
bdmurrayinfinity: ack18:28
IdleOneThanks for all the awesome and hard work folks :)18:28
mvo_infinity: ok18:29
infinityshadeslayer: We're fixing the CloudFront redirects right now.  The page will still look goofy, but downloads will magically work regardless affter that.18:29
shadeslayerinfinity: ah that's good enough for me18:30
infinityshadeslayer: ie: if you download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/kubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso it works, even though it's not actually mirrored on the cdimage frontends yet.18:30
shadeslayeroh my18:30
shadeslayerinfinity: that link gives me weird cloudfront things right now ;)18:30
infinityshadeslayer: That's what I'd expect it to do...18:30
shadeslayerah18:30
infinityshadeslayer: Or, you mean really weird?18:30
infinityOh.  403.  Whee.18:31
shadeslayerinfinity: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopfK2166.png18:31
shadeslayerthat sort of looks outside-the-box-weird18:31
shadeslayerI guess temporary issue18:31
infinityshadeslayer: Yeah.  Noted.  Fixing.18:31
infinityLa la la.18:31
infinityshadeslayer: Okay, cloudfront should not 403 anymore.18:33
apacheloggerworks here anyway18:33
shadeslayeryep works18:33
shadeslayerthx18:33
slangasekinfinity: who should we coordinate with on the IS side for this?  I'm assuming you will want to be having a nice warm English beer before long, and that bdmurray should work with IS directly :)18:33
infinityshadeslayer: Hopefully, the rsyncs will clear up now.18:33
shadeslayerinfinity: <318:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: sending off email to kubuntu-devel then18:34
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xnoxshadeslayer: \o/18:35
shadeslayerxnox: {{hugs}}18:35
apacheloggershadeslayer: waaaaait18:35
shadeslayerapachelogger: already done :(18:35
jibelinfinity, is IS fixing cdimage for other flavors?18:35
* apachelogger throws a keyboard and hopes the revised version was sent18:35
infinityjibel: It's all being sorted.18:35
jibelta18:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: did you change something in the last 10 minutes?18:36
NaughxThat said the torrent files and zsync files are still unavailaible on cdimage.18:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: no, correct version, it's all good18:36
apacheloggerphew18:36
shadeslayer:)18:36
Naughxor maybe I'm wrong.18:37
shadeslayerpft, moderated on kubuntu-users18:37
infinityNaughx: We know.18:38
infinityNaughx: It's being sorted.18:38
NaughxOkay. :)18:38
rpadovaniguys, until the last release there was a start-download page that sent users to mirrors. Now I don't find that page, so our LoCo website has to send users directly to releases.ubuntu.com, and this is not optimal for your servers. What's the solution?18:41
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slangasekrpadovani: does 'http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you/?version=14.04&architecture=amd64' not suffice?18:44
NaughxLooks like everything is working fine for me. Thanks. :)18:47
michagogo|cloudrpadovani: you could also look at the mirrors list and find your local one18:47
michagogo|cloud(or several local ones, idk where you're located)18:48
michagogo|cloudThere's a list at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors18:48
michagogo|cloudThough idk if that shows mirrors that aren't synced up with the release yet18:48
rpadovanislangasek, better than nothing, but so I have to have different versions for derivatives and server18:49
rpadovanislangasek, until last release was http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download?distro='+edition+'&bits='+arch+'&release='+release18:49
slangasekrpadovani: right, if you're looking for a single consistent url we don't have that (OTOH, I don't know why we would've been trying to maintain this before for flavors?)18:50
rpadovanimichagogo|cloud, I prefer to use ubuntu.com mirrors, so I haven't to check if someone has been deleted18:50
rpadovanislangasek, ok, thanks, I'll update scripts18:51
michagogo|cloudrpadovani: Oh, sorry. I didn't read your question carefully enough.18:53
michagogo|cloudFor some reason I thought you were talking about a release party or something18:54
rpadovaninp :-)18:54
slangasekzul, jamespage: how did the openstack 0-day get on?  it sounded like everything was getting in under the wire so not actually an SRU at all, is that correct?  Or is there more help you need from the release team today?18:55
infinityslangasek: I think they got it all.18:58
slangasekok18:58
slangasekinfinity: how about my earlier question of who in IS bdmurray should sync with on meta-release?  Is it elmo, or will there be a handoff to someone more tz-friendly?18:59
deejslangasek: Might as well tell elmo19:00
slangasekok19:00
jamespageslangasek, its all in19:07
slangasekjamespage: great :)19:08
jamespagethankyou release team for pushing the updates in so late19:08
jamespage(and apologies for keystone)19:08
Sk1don lubuntu do-release-upgrade does not offer you to upgrade :/19:18
infinitySk1d: Not yet.  We're fixing some infrastructure issues before we flip that switch.19:22
Sk1dthx19:22
Sk1dinfinity: is there a roughe ETA?19:23
infinitySk1d: Not just yet.  The archive mirrors are somewhat flattened right now, and we're trying to avoid making it worse.  But soonish.19:29
infinitySk1d: There's a reason the release announce said that automatic upgrade would happen "shortly" not "immediately".19:29
PiciIs there a problem with telling our users in #ubuntu to use the -d switch?19:31
bdmurrayPici: well it would use the same mirrors and would make things a bit worse19:33
Picibdmurray: will hold off then.19:33
bdmurrayPici: additionally the upgrade process may time / fail due to the mirror not responding19:34
PiciUnderstood. I'd like to keep the number of systems I break today to a minimum.19:34
infinityPici: The big problem with suggesting people use -d is that when we open 14.10, that may not quite have the results you were hoping for.19:34
infinityPici: But yes, it would also be nice to not contribute to our issues while we're trying to fix things.  *shrug*19:35
Piciinfinity: oh, I typically tell people to stay away from -d unless they know what they are doing.19:35
Picier, I guess I deleted the words in there that make that sentence make sense... oh well.19:36
infinityIt made sense to me.19:36
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guest1anyone know if the upgrade option is going online tonight20:19
lxgrwill running update-manager with the "-d" flag make a permanent change to my apt configuration (i.e. download 14.10 as soon as development starts)?20:19
saiarcot895lxgr: it shouldn't20:19
saiarcot895guest1: Isn't upgrade already available?20:20
guest1i'm not seeing any option when i do software update20:20
Sk1dsaiarcot895: not for lubuntu20:20
lxgrsaiarcot895: no: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release20:20
guest1i'm on 13.10 xubuntu though20:20
lxgrthis seems to be the file update-manager checks to see if there is an update20:21
lxgrso i suspect (hope) that the "-d" flag only changes that to meta-release-development20:21
bdmurraylxgr: that is correct or m-r-lts-dev if you are on precise20:27
bdmurrayguest1: yes it should be appearing tonight, they are just working on mirror issues20:28
xnoxinfinity: ccan you drop moderation on the channel and unvoice everyone?20:49
Laneymoderation is off already20:49
infinitybdmurray: You going to still be around in a few hours?20:51
xnoxLaney: ok, thanks.20:51
bdmurrayinfinity: yeah, although if it is going to be a few I'll take a break for a bit20:51
knomeany reason to keep the voices?20:51
infinitybdmurray: You could also give me access to the branch...20:51
infinityknome: Nah, just too lazy to undo it all.20:52
knomeinfinity, oki, will get somebody to do it :)20:52
bdmurrayinfinity: the branch has already been updated it needs to happen on the server manually20:52
infinitybdmurray: Oh.  How's that happen?20:52
knomeinfinity, apparently there is an autovoice for all ubuntu members and canonical employees. i would think that could go even "normally"20:55
Pici:/20:56
LaneyWee.21:00
Davieyinfinity  / bdmurray: It seems *every* release, the meta-release is forgotten to be refreshed.  I haven't checked, but is it in the release checklist?21:01
infinityDaviey: This is intentional.21:02
infinityDaviey: Not forgotten.21:02
DavieyAh, Ok. That differs from previously then :)21:03
Davieyinfinity: Also posting missing on the release blog?21:06
infinityDaviey: That blog has been oddly silent since Saucy A1...21:09
ogra_did we ever switch meta-release before .1 ?21:21
ogra_(for LTS)21:21
infinityogra_: No, not for lts->lts, but we also haven't switched it for non-lts upgrades yet, because we're sorting some infra issues.21:22
ogra_ah21:22
superm1mythtv and mythbuntu-casper are both in proposed now; those were the two that we needed fixed for mythbuntu's last minute fiasco.   can someone with powers respin when you get a chance so we can have another look?21:45
superm1*mythbuntu-common i mean21:45
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Riddellsuperm1: don't you have access from iso.qa site?21:50
RiddellI'm not sure how you'd make images using -proposed though21:50
superm1i thought the images are made using proposed by default21:50
superm1i don't think i have access from iso.qa site21:51
LaneyNo21:51
Riddellit probably needs some code changes to make that happen21:52
LaneyYou want to have them released to -updates21:52
Riddelldoesn't that need an sru person to do?21:53
superm1oh, hmm.  well that's a bit of a catch 22 then, don't they need to be validated at installation to be released to -updates?21:53
dokoMontreal release party now ...21:53
superm1but to validate at installation they should be on the CD21:53
stgraberdoko: oh yeah, I need to pack my things and head there too, see you in a bit21:53
LaneyThe release team sometimes does them around release day for issues like this21:54
Laneywe did some for touch earlier on21:54
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xnoxsuperm1: we have ability to spin daily image with -proposed pocket enabled.22:13
superm1ah i thought so22:14
xnoxsuperm1: or one can stop ubiquity, add/refresh -proposed pocket, install with proposed enabled.22:14
xnoxsuperm1: depending if it's live package or pool problem.22:14
superm1that works for one of the uploads, but the other is a live package problem22:14
superm1i actually already verified the fix for the mythbuntu-common one by doing that22:14
superm1but the mythweb one requires a new livefs22:14
LaneyYou might get other random stuff if you build with proposed22:15
xnoxLaney: true, thus we will not release the image built with proposed, just use it for testing. Then publish to updates. Then rebuild iso with -updates only. Then retest. And then finally do mythbuntu release..... Maybe this is too elaborate.22:16
superm1the fixes are both very small things22:16
superm1i guess whatever you guys think is the best approach here, i'll validate22:16
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xnoxsuperm1: which packages  / bug # is it? and are they all in -proposed? i might be able to reconstruct the image with just those locally and test.22:17
LaneyYou could apply the diff for the mythbuntu-common thing yourself22:18
superm1xnox: yes they're both in proposed.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/1309084 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-meta/+bug/130911922:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 1309084 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Mythbuntu installer crashes when installing frontend only" [Medium,Confirmed]22:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 1309119 in mythbuntu-common (Ubuntu Trusty) "nvidia driver installation crashes mythbuntu installer" [Critical,Fix committed]22:18
Laney(without needing to rebuild I mean)22:20
Laney(since it's python)22:20
superm1yeah that's the one i was able to validate22:20
xnoxLaney: yeap. I'll try to validate both tomorrow. tired today and falling asleep... didn't sleep enough all week.22:20
superm1the other one i can validate just modifying the postrm  after it's copied over but before it runs the postrm and i can verify that works too22:20
superm1if that's enough validation22:21
LaneyThe other one is more obviously right22:21
LaneySomeone else can make the call though as I'm also off to bed22:21
superm1thanks guys22:21
Laney(release them to updates, respin iso)22:21
Laneysee ya22:22
infinitysuperm1: Released both of those.22:39
superm1cool thanks22:44
bdmurrayslangasek: how do you feel about an early release of whoopsie / whoopsie-daisy fixing bug 1306175 in S and P?22:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 1306175 in whoopsie (Ubuntu Saucy) "whoopsie should not send some data to daisy" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130617522:46
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infinitybdmurray: Alright, elmo's given the green light to flip the switch.23:15
bdmurrayinfinity: got it, do you have an opinion on that whoopsie SRU for S and P?23:19
bdmurrayinfinity: meta-release done23:24
infinitysuperm1: If I spin you another set right now, will you test 'em soonish?23:28
superm1infinity: yep i can do it tonight23:28
infinitysuperm1: I can release them in the UK morning if I fall asleep. :P23:28
superm1that would be awesome23:28
infinitysuperm1: Spinning now.23:28
superm1thanks23:30
tewardwith the 14.04 release, has 12.10 officially EOL'd?23:49
infinitysuperm1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/20140417/23:54
tgm4883infinity, is that the new spin?23:55
infinitysuperm1: Let me know if/when they look good, and we'll jimmy them into place and call it done.23:55
tgm4883I'll test them now23:55
tgm4883superm1, you'll still need to test on hardware if you can though. I can do it later when I get home from work on my ION box23:55
infinityI won't be around to release those for you for ~8h or so, probably.23:56
tgm4883infinity, so we've got plenty of time to test then ;)23:57
tgm4883oh I've been unvoiced :/23:58
infinitytgm4883: We removed moderation from the channel.23:58
superm1tgm4883: can you check the mythweb thing in VM23:58
tgm4883superm1, yea doing it now23:58
knometgm4883, you can regain the voice by cycling the channel though :P23:59
superm1I'll try the nvidia on hw23:59
tgm4883infinity, ah yea, just thought I was talking to myself. Testing now :)23:59

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