[01:50] <robru> question for you guys. now that we are literally in zero-hour, what's the story for touch landings? (I mean ones that are seeded in both, like webbrowser-app). let's say I have a webbrowser-app landing that I want to land. it's a bugfix mainly for touch. if I hit publish I guess it just gets caught in UNAPPROVED. can anything be done about that?
[01:50] <robru> without interfering with the desktop landing
[01:53] <alex-abreu> well Ideally we would land for desktop too
[01:53] <alex-abreu> oxide fix (important) and webbrowser-app
[01:54] <rsalveti> for desktop it could just be a normal SRU
[01:54] <rsalveti> but not sure if it'd help us (touch)
[01:54] <rsalveti> we'd need to spin a new image with -updates enabled
[01:56] <rsalveti> it seems -updates is enabled already in livecd-rootfs
[01:56] <robru> yeah it's not very clear to me what is happening with touch while desktop is in this final freeze. I mean most touch stuff has the FFe and just breezes through, but for stuff that's in both, I guess it's just frozen for real
[01:57] <rsalveti> robru: yup
[01:57] <rsalveti> that's why I believe we would need to land it as a SRU
[01:57] <alex-abreu> robru, so what can we do at this point? nothing to land in desktop
[01:57] <alex-abreu> ?
[01:58] <robru> well we need somebody from the release team to comment if they were approached by asac about this.
[01:58] <rsalveti> slangasek: ^ if still around
[01:58] <alex-abreu> might have been didrocks or dbarth
[01:59] <alex-abreu> that discussed that
[02:06] <baker417> Very curious -- approximately what time (and time zone) will Ubuntu 14 be available for download? Thank you!
[02:06] <Riddell> my testing of kubuntu all good tonight, sleeping now, phone me if something needs my attention (jriddell.org/contact.html)
[02:07] <slangasek> rsalveti: if it's on desktop, yes, it's frozen for real
[02:07] <rsalveti> yup, both are
[02:07] <rsalveti> slangasek: who to proceed with a SRU here?
[02:07] <rsalveti> anything special for 0-day SRUs?
[02:08] <slangasek> rsalveti: nothing special
[02:09] <rsalveti> robru: alex-abreu: then we'd need to SRU them
[02:10] <alex-abreu> rsalveti, ok then ... & respin a touch image w/ updates enabled
[02:12] <rsalveti> slangasek: thanks btw
[02:12] <slangasek> sure
[02:13] <rsalveti> slangasek: so was able to create an ubuntu-touch image for the x86 emulator with packages from https://launchpad.net/~rsalveti/+archive/touch-emulator-x86
[02:13] <rsalveti> slangasek: the -gles ones are the new packages
[02:13] <rsalveti> the rest are just rebuild & minor control file changes
[02:13] <rsalveti> and was able to boot and so on, so it worked :-)
[02:14] <rsalveti> will do a clean-up and pile them when "u" is open
[02:14] <slangasek> rsalveti: great!  and how's the reverse-dependency tree looking?
[02:14] <rsalveti> slangasek: just missing a few for touch, but was only rebuilding packages related with the ubuntu-touch image
[02:14] <rsalveti> as I believe we'll have a rebuild in "u" anyway soon
[02:15] <slangasek> hmm, why would there be a rebuild in u?  are we expecting another qt abi change?
[02:15] <saiarcot895> Hi all. Can someone nominate for #1308794 for Trusty? I have a fix ready for SRU and everything (I think) (even though the archive is currently frozen)?
[02:16] <saiarcot895> bug #1308794
[02:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308794 in checkstyle (Ubuntu) "Checkstyle unusable on Trusty" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308794
[02:16] <rsalveti> slangasek: right, was mixing the test rebuild with the initial publishing for "u"
[02:17] <rsalveti> I can just bump and rebuild the remaining, but the list is short
[02:17] <rsalveti> did a rebuild of more than 30 packages already
[02:17] <slangasek> yeah, I would expect that the touch builds already covered most of it
[02:18] <rsalveti> so the good news is that we're close, and it worked :-)
[02:18] <rsalveti> slangasek: thanks for the detailed email you sent a few days ago
[02:18] <rsalveti> didn't know we could use shlibs that way :-)
[02:18] <slangasek> :)
[02:26] <alex-abreu> can someone also have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1307735 for those in Trusty-updates ?
[02:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307735 in webbrowser-app "Hyperlinks that request a new tab don’t open" [Critical,In progress]
[02:27] <alex-abreu> the fixes have been +1 in ci-eng
[02:29] <alex-abreu> both packages have been already published (about to hit proposed)
[02:31] <alex-abreu> published & unapproved
[02:31] <alex-abreu> no proposed
[02:48] <maclin> hi, release team, we find the cn.archive.ubuntu.com is not synced with the archive.ubuntu.com. This causes some problems in Ubuntu Kylin when downloading packages from apt source.
[02:54] <saiarcot895> maclin: is this for Trusty or an earlier release?
[02:55] <maclin> saiarcot895, we just tested in Trusty.
[02:56] <saiarcot895> maclin: That's most likely because Trusty is yet to be officially released. I would give a day or two for packages to be fully synced.
[02:56] <maclin> it is strange that there is only main branch in http://cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/
[02:58] <saiarcot895> maclin: Even yesterday, my local Georgia Tech mirror had a few missing packages that was present in the US archive.
[03:00] <slangasek> it has nothing to do with being released
[03:00] <maclin> saiarcot895, we can upgrade yesterday  night, but this morning the upgrade failed because of failures of download from cn.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:00] <slangasek> maclin: http://cn.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ shows that there's an archive sync in progress
[03:02] <slangasek> but seems to be in progress for two hours
[03:03] <maclin> slangasek, got it, can we confirm when will the sync finish?
[03:03] <slangasek> maclin: well, I have no way of knowing
[03:03] <slangasek> I guess the server is not one that the kylin team runs? :)
[03:04] <maclin> slangasek, 'we' means the whole of us^_^
[03:06] <slangasek> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirrors.sohu.com-archive suggests that it's a full week behind
[03:06] <alex-abreu> slangasek, not sure if you could help w/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1307735 it,s been published but still in unapproved
[03:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307735 in webbrowser-app "Hyperlinks that request a new tab don’t open" [Critical,In progress]
[03:06] <alex-abreu> trying to have them as a SRU since we missed the cutoff
[03:07] <slangasek> maclin: if we don't control this archive, then I think our only option is to get the cn.archive.ubuntu.com name directed somewhere else.  Do you know if there's one of the mirrors listed for China on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors that would be appropriate?
[03:09] <slangasek> maclin: (our normal approach when a national mirror has a problem is to point the DNS at our server in the UK, but that probably wouldn't work well here)
[03:12] <maclin> slangasek, I am not familiar with this and studying now:)
[03:20] <utlemming> slangasek, infinity: Cloud Image respin has completed, tested, and marked ready.
[04:01] <Mirv> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/ wrong regarding support times, compared to http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-17-21.05.moin.txt ?
[04:03] <slangasek> Mirv: yes
[04:03] <slangasek> Mirv: please edit it to match the TB approvals
[04:08] <Mirv> ok, doing
[04:24] <slangasek> maclin: I'm told that we're going to redirect cn.archive.ubuntu.com to the US-based mirror to fix the problem in the short term; if you have contacts with one of the other mirror operators who might be willing to become the official mirror, I'm sure the mirror team would be happy to know about it
[04:25] <slangasek> maclin: (it sounds like we are tentatively looking at Northeastern University)
[04:41] <stgraber> ^ and that's Edubuntu ready to be released. highvoltage will take it from there in his morning.
[04:42]  * stgraber -> bed
[06:11] <didrocks> infinity: cjwatson: hey, sorry to ping you directly, not sure if robru reached any release team member yesterday
[06:12] <didrocks> infinity: cjwatson: as they should have warned you, we are quite stuck and need to rebuild a Touch image. We need latest oxide-qt and webbrowser-app (which are in UNAPPROVED)
[06:12] <didrocks> infinity: cjwatson: putting them in trusty-updates will enable us to build an image with it
[06:12] <didrocks> slangasek: if you are still around as well ^
[06:16] <didrocks> infinity: slangasek: cjwatson: autopilot as well (I see it in -proposed), whatever pocket you prefer
[06:44] <asac> slangasek: you bounced off our oxide landing we worked all night on?
[06:44] <asac> :)
[06:44] <asac> sorry cant even read yet, just hearsay
[07:02] <asac> Laney: around?
[07:03] <asac> whoelse is on release team?
[07:03] <asac> seems slangasek cjwatson infinity got already pingd by didrocks... so think we have everyone now :)
[07:03]  * asac waits
[07:08] <asac> sent slangasek an sms too
[07:10] <sil2100> I think it's mid-night for slangasek right now, I guess we can only hope the UK-part of the release team to become available
[07:12] <asac> steve is not known too be a morning person
[07:54] <asac> seb128: when is Laney around usually?
[07:54] <seb128> asac, 9uk
[07:54] <seb128> e.g in 6 minutes
[07:59] <asac> 1 minute :)
[08:03] <Laney> asac: I don't know how to do that
[08:03] <didrocks> Laney: can you review oxide and webbrowser-app meanwhile?
[08:03] <didrocks> Laney: they still are in UNAPPROVED
[08:03] <didrocks> we will win a publisher cycle :)
[08:04] <Laney> hrm
[08:07] <Laney> srsly, oxide is 223.704 MiB?!
[08:08] <didrocks> Laney: chromium inside :p
[08:08] <didrocks> sorry © ;)
[08:09] <Laney> the tubes needed a workout anyway
[08:09] <didrocks> ahah
[08:09] <didrocks> Laney: I can provide you a debdiff if the download is going to be long
[08:10] <cjwatson> here now
[08:10] <asac> o/
[08:10] <asac> :)
[08:11] <cjwatson> there's a debdiff in the PPA, digging it out
[08:11] <Laney> already got it
[08:11] <cjwatson> Laney: I'll look at the others then, webbrowser-app plus pushing autopilot somewhere more useful
[08:12] <cjwatson> oh, you did it
[08:12] <didrocks> thanks cjwatson, Laney
[08:12] <Laney> that one was quicker to download
[08:12] <Laney> I should teach $script to go to the source PPA for diffs
[08:13] <cjwatson> well, it's an LP bug that you don't get a diff in the queue for PCJs
[08:13] <Laney> sure
[08:13] <Laney> seems workaroundable though
[08:13] <cjwatson> analysis in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/851562
[08:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 851562 in Launchpad itself "Diffs not available for syncs on +queue page like for regular uploads" [High,Triaged]
[08:14] <cjwatson> Laney: I think only sometimes
[08:14] <xnox> maclin: you can discuss mirror problems on #ubuntu-mirrors. all mirrors should be complete by now, and #ubuntu-mirrors people can point to a different cn.* mirror to a different one.
[08:15] <xnox> morning everyone.
[08:16]  * xnox feels lonely here.
[08:16] <Riddell> morning
[08:16] <Laney> xnox: 'here'?
[08:16] <maclin> xnox,  thanks,  I find that the "http://mirrors.sohu.com/" has updated now.
[08:16] <xnox> Laney: physical, rather than virtual =)
[08:16] <cjwatson> autopilot unblocked
[08:17] <Laney> others at $hotel?
[08:17] <xnox> Laney: no idea.
[08:17] <xnox> Laney: i commute from home.
[08:17] <cjwatson> looks like it was a late night last night with the unity debacle
[08:17] <Laney> like a real person and all
[08:18] <cjwatson> So, we can't unblock oxide-qt and webbrowser-app because they're also on desktop images, but we can move them to -updates once they're otherwise ready.  I can take care of that
[08:18] <xnox> Laney: but it's hardly a wifi-enabled airconed coach i took to the city =) just a train flat packed with people =)
[08:18] <Laney> I want to have a go at putting oxide and webbrowser in updates if that's ok
[08:19] <Laney> oh ok
[08:19] <cjwatson> oh, well, if you really want to :)
[08:19] <Laney> xnox: yeah, that's what normal people so (so I hear)
[08:19] <cjwatson> you'll need to first check that excuses declares them to be a valid candidate
[08:19] <Laney> I just sit on the settee eating porridge until the radio beeps then walk upstairs
[08:19] <cjwatson> (which isn't complete protection but better than nothing)
[08:19] <Laney> yep
[08:20] <xnox> Laney: smooth operator =)
[08:20] <Laney> it's a good life
[08:22] <mlankhorst> cjwatson: oh speaking of that package, i can't install liboxideqtcore0-dbgsym because it depends on oxideqt-codecs-dbg and oxideqt-codecs-extra-dbg, but installing both fails. :P
[08:25] <maclin> xnox，slangasek has redirected cn.archive.ubuntu.com to an US-based mirror temporarily， is it suitable to change it back?
[08:25] <cjwatson> mlankhorst: err I don't actually know anything about oxide as such
[08:25] <mlankhorst> ah k :p
[08:25] <mlankhorst> me neither
[08:25] <cjwatson> mlankhorst: but dbgsym issues won't/shouldn't block this
[08:26] <Laney> He's trying to debug something else
[08:26] <Laney> Probably not a release team matter :)
[08:27] <infinity> Waking up was not my best decision today.
[08:27] <cjwatson> grumble, wonder what to do about this cloud-installer that slangasek unblocked but which is uninstallable on powerpc
[08:30] <infinity> cjwatson: I'd say let it be uninst, juju *should* exist on ppc, we just didn't get that far (needs a scary mongodb endian patch)
[08:30] <cjwatson> yeah, I was coming to a similar conclusion
[08:30] <cjwatson> I'll hit it with the big hammer
[08:30] <infinity> cjwatson: Fixing it to drop the dep only on ppc is just one more thing to undo some day.
[08:30] <didrocks> cjwatson: Laney: thanks for oxide and webbrowser-app, do we know to poke you to put then in -updates once they are published?
[08:30] <Laney> no
[08:31] <Laney> well, I don't know what you know :P
[08:31] <Laney> but you don't /need/ too
[08:31] <didrocks> Laney: the thing is that the whole Touch image build is blocked on it and then, it's a +8h to get full test results once it's published in -updates
[08:31] <didrocks> that's why we are tracking that closely ;)
[08:32] <didrocks> actually, they are published
[08:32] <didrocks> cjwatson: mind putting them in -updates?
[08:32]  * Laney blinks
[08:32] <didrocks> (and same for autopilot)
[08:33] <cjwatson> didrocks: Laney said he wanted to take care of the copies to -updates
[08:33]  * Laney is doing it
[08:33] <cjwatson> didrocks: autopilot has already migrated to trusty release
[08:33] <cjwatson> (well, modulo publishing, but it's been copied)
[08:33] <didrocks> thanks guys!
[08:33] <cjwatson> it's not on non-touch images so we can be more lenient with it
[08:34] <didrocks> excellent, thanks :)
[08:36] <xnox> maclin: i'll check with is.
[08:36] <maclin> xnox, thanks a lot:)
[08:40] <JackYu> hi release, would you please review ubuntukylin-default-settings 1.1.9?
[08:41] <JackYu> hi release team, it fixes bug
[08:42] <JackYu> #1308889.
[08:44] <maclin> #Bug 1308889 will make the help menu useless.
[08:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308889 in ubuntukylin-default-settings "ubuntu-kylin-docs was not installed by default in latest image" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308889
[08:44] <cjwatson> JackYu: the diff strongly suggests it doesn't change anything
[08:44] <didrocks> Laney: cjwatson: this is the last one for Touch normally: same path? ^ (-updates or release pocket?)
[08:44] <cjwatson> (also, does this mean you're asking for a respin?)
[08:44] <cjwatson> didrocks: release, I'll take a look in a sec
[08:44] <cjwatson> JackYu: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/173003237/ubuntukylin-default-settings_1.1.8_1.1.9.diff.gz
[08:44] <didrocks> thanks :)
[08:44] <Laney> touch only → release
[08:45] <didrocks> cjwatson: sorry again to nag you today with this :(
[08:45] <cjwatson> that's ok
[08:45] <cjwatson> Laney: ok, are you unblocking it then?
[08:46] <Laney> oh no, it was a general comment
[08:46] <cjwatson> ah, I guess that was auto-accepted, I thought it was you :)
[08:47] <JackYu> cjwaton, sorry, let us check:)
[08:47] <Laney> not me guv
[08:47] <xnox> maclin: cn.archive.ubuntu.com has been pointing to an uptodate mirror in china for the past 3 hours, the mirror.neu.edu.cn i believe.
[08:48] <cjwatson> didrocks: unity-mir unblocked
[08:49] <didrocks> thanks cjwatson, it will naturally migrate to the release pocket without any intervention then?
[08:49] <didrocks> (well, in nothing in britney blocks it due to failing testing…)
[08:50] <cjwatson> didrocks: er, in that I have already intervened, I suppose yes :P
[08:50] <cjwatson> hopefully no further intervention
[08:50] <nhaines> This is where I pester people toa see if it's released yet, right?
[08:50]  * nhaines ducks.
[08:51] <maclin> xnox， yeap， I got it now,  it was firstly redirected to an IP in UK, the current mirror works well, thanks :)
[08:52] <cjwatson> nhaines: don't even joke about it, please ...
[08:52] <cjwatson> with a late unity security fix last night, I suspect it'll be a long one
[08:52] <nhaines> cjwatson: That's a drag.  I'm just sitting here being mad about webapps being broken.
[08:53] <nhaines> So consider me a cheerleader.  I'm on your side. :)
[08:53] <rww> you and your webapps
[08:53] <nhaines> rww: they're important!  Especially when they break.  :P
[08:53] <cjwatson> I assume that's the webapp fix that's landing at the moment.
[08:53] <cjwatson> (oxide-qt, webbrowser-app)
[08:54] <nhaines> No, it's the Unity integration for web apps.  Some update 3 days ago completely broke it.  Unfortunately I didn't have time to file any bugs (this makes me partly responsible, I know).
[08:55] <didrocks> nhaines: not being able to get a link opened inside the web app?
[08:55] <nhaines> didrocks: they no longer show as active unless run from the launcher or dash.  And then they only run in separate windows.
[08:56] <nhaines> I tried to test with the live CD in case the SDK/core-apps was the culprit, but then there was no integration.
[08:56] <didrocks> nhaines: ah something else, don't know about that one
[08:56] <didrocks> that's for dbarth's I guess ^
[08:56] <seb128> nhaines, what do you mean "show as active"?
[08:57] <jamespage> morning folks; openstack are starting to produce final release tarballs - zul and I are working on them as they are released
[08:57] <jamespage> they should all just be version changes only from the last rc's already in archive
[08:58] <cjwatson> jamespage: none of those are on images, aiui?
[08:58] <jamespage> cjwatson, that's correct
[08:59] <cjwatson> should hopefully be fine then
[08:59] <dbarth> nhaines: what's the error you're seeing?
[08:59] <dbarth> nhaines: on desktop?
[09:00] <Laney> Might want to carry on in #ubuntu-webapps :-)
[09:00] <mlankhorst> ok, updated mesa :P
[09:01] <mlankhorst> lets see if stuff breaks now
[09:01] <nhaines> seb128: they show up in the launcher if I visit the page, but don't have the 'active' pip by them.
[09:01] <dbarth> nhaines: i'm on #ubuntu-webapps
[09:02] <nhaines> seb128: they can't be Alt-Tabbed to, and clicking on one opens a new, dedicated window instead of a new Firefox window or tab.
[09:02] <nhaines> And then, of course, they keep pinning themselves to the launcher.
[09:02] <dbarth> nhaines: that's normal, please join #ubuntu-webapps and i'll explain
[09:05] <nhaines> dbarth: then I am rather upset.  But, over to #ubuntu-webapps!
[09:06] <dbarth> wow
[09:18] <Riddell> kubuntu is golden, any ETA on release?
[09:19] <cjwatson> This probably depends on whether UbuntuKylin are going to actually tell us whether they want to respin for this ubuntukylin-default-settings changes
[09:19] <cjwatson> *change
[09:20] <rbasak> Am I still OK to edit the release notes?
[09:20] <infinity> rbasak: By all means.
[09:21] <rbasak> Thanks
[09:21] <infinity> rbasak: There's no freeze for release notes.  :P
[09:21] <rbasak> Not even release? :)
[09:25] <cjwatson> rbasak: release notes are often by nature written after release :)
[09:53] <cjwatson> bug 1308899, hmm, ouch
[09:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308899 in scilab (Ubuntu) "Sync scilab 5.5.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308899
[09:53] <knome> infinity, reminder: did you look at the release notes? :)
[09:53]  * cjwatson diffs that to check
[09:54] <infinity> knome: Not yet! ;)
[09:54] <cjwatson> I hope dropping libtoolize doesn't break on ppc64el, but worst case it sits in -proposed
[09:54]  * knome smells like beer already
[09:54] <knome> not because i've had too much, but because i broke a bottle...
[09:54] <knome> :|
[09:55] <knome> so that's it for the release preparations ;)
[09:55] <nhaines> knome: just means you have to have two now.  :)
[09:55] <knome> heh, i will, later...
[10:14] <utlemming> infinity, cjwatson: link to the release notes?
[10:14] <xnox> utlemming: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes ?
[10:14] <xnox> utlemming: same place as always.
[10:14] <knome> xnox, that can't be it... too obvious
[10:14] <utlemming> xnox: thanks....its early for me
[10:14] <xnox> utlemming: =)
[10:15] <knome> somebody should update the download links
[10:15] <knome> before we go live :P
[10:45] <apw> zequence, hey are you still editing the releasenotes, can i haz lock ?
[10:51] <xnox> apw: yeah next adj is ubiquitarianism =)
[10:54] <cjwatson> that's a noun :)
[10:55] <AlanBell> hi, who is the release manager now?
[10:55] <cjwatson> we have a team ... what's the question?
[10:56] <infinity> The answer is 3.
[10:56] <AlanBell> who (if anyone) wants auto voicing in -release-party, it was skaet
[10:56] <infinity> I'm not sure if any of us want to brave -release-party.
[10:56] <cjwatson> probably folks in ~ubuntu-release should be
[10:58] <cjwatson> commons-daemon should be a trivial one, if we have buildd time
[10:59] <infinity> We have pleeeeenty of time.
[10:59] <infinity> (And if it doesn't make it, we carry it over, meh)
[11:00] <cjwatson> I should've put scilab on sagari.  Oh well
[11:01] <cjwatson> took 1h18m on ross last time
[11:01] <AlanBell> ok, anyone on the release team will be +v in -release-party, just marks those who know what they are talking about :)
[11:01] <cjwatson> thanks
[11:02] <knome> AlanBell, heyy... doesn't other people know what they are talking about?
[11:03] <knome> AlanBell, like... flavor leads? ;)
[11:04] <AlanBell> oh shush :) it doesn't mean that unvoiced people *don't* know what they are talking about :)
[11:04] <knome> well if we start voicing people, we should voice everybody who fits the definition.
[11:04] <Laney> haha, voice begging
[11:04] <Laney> it's like op begging of old
[11:04] <knome> lol
[11:04] <elfy> knome: desperate to make the most of the last few hours as lead? :p
[11:04] <knome> yes...
[11:04] <knome> ;)
[11:05] <knome> i was thinking earlier that all OPs could have a voice.
[11:05] <AlanBell> knome: lets carry on this discussion in #ubuntu-ops
[11:12] <cjwatson> infinity: ... want to accept it, then? :)
[11:14] <jamespage> urgh - all of the openstack uploads are failing autopkgtest with "ubuntu-distro-info: Distribution data outdated."
[11:15] <tumbleweed> jamespage: we need a name for U :/
[11:17] <cjwatson> jamespage: oh for god's sake
[11:17] <nhaines> tumbleweed: unctuous urchin
[11:17] <cjwatson> do we have any way to tell that that's the only failure?
[11:18] <xnox> stgraber: the set of netboot products for trusty on arm* doesn't make sense: opam, armadaxp, omap, omap4 are gone, generic-lpae is missing, and arm64-generic is missing.
[11:18] <Laney> tumbleweed: this happens every cycle now ...
[11:18] <tumbleweed> Laney: has someone beaten up sabdfl yet?
[11:18] <Laney> maybe we could consider making distro-info fall back to stable or something
[11:18] <cjwatson> It is absurd that distro-info has no fallback, still
[11:18] <xnox> Laney: we did add fallback to distro-info, i thought.
[11:18] <tumbleweed> the trick is to use distro-info carefully
[11:18] <Laney> clearly not
[11:19] <Laney> you have to make every consumer take care of this
[11:19] <xnox> =(
[11:19] <Laney> I think pull-lp-source does, for example
[11:19] <tumbleweed> because there's no obvious right thing to do
[11:19] <Laney> print warning, return stable
[11:19] <Laney> unless i'm missing some way that is terrible
[11:20] <tumbleweed> maybe we should give a few days grace
[11:21] <cjwatson> jibel: is there any way we could hack run-adt-test to not fail everything for toda?
[11:21] <cjwatson> *today
[11:21] <cjwatson> jibel: e.g. http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-cinder/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/81/console
[11:22] <jibel> cjwatson, yes, I'll fix this.
[11:22] <cjwatson> jibel: thanks - I'd prefer not to force the openstack packages through without autopkgtests, if we can avoid it
[11:27] <infinity> cjwatson: "it"?
[11:27] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, commons-daemon.
[11:28] <infinity> Daviey: *nudge*
[11:28] <cjwatson> yeah
[11:28] <infinity> Daviey: Something something, mythbuntu, something.
[11:29] <infinity> Building source ISOs.  Whee.
[11:29] <cjwatson> good thing I updated ALL_PROJECTS a couple of minutes ago :
[11:30] <cjwatson> :)
[11:31] <zequence> infinity: Just marked us as ready. Thanks for helping us out so much these last days!
[11:32] <jamespage> three more openstack components left - zul is doing heat, waiting on release for glance and neutron
[11:32] <jibel> cjwatson, done. I re-ran failed jobs.
[11:32] <cjwatson> xnox: any chance somebody with bandwidth could test that (a) they can reproduce bug 1307875 (b) the package in -proposed fixes it?
[11:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307875 in scilab (Ubuntu) "GUI is not usable saying module gui is not installed on scilab" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307875
[11:32] <cjwatson> jibel: thanks
[11:33] <cjwatson> hopefully adt-britney will notice
[11:33] <cjwatson> but I'll force it otherwise ...
[11:33] <xnox> cjwatson: i can do that.
[11:33] <cjwatson> thanks
[11:34] <Daviey> infinity: thanks. duff, beer. don't mind if i do.
[11:35] <infinity> Daviey: So, yeah.  Something about you guys needing/wanting to mirror images.  But also, they could use some testing in the iso tracker.
[11:35] <infinity> Daviey: Pretty please on the latter.
[11:35] <infinity> zequence: \o/
[11:39] <Daviey> infinity: i would.. but cannot today. tried to drum up othera.
[11:45] <infinity> Daviey: Try harder, please? :)
[11:45] <infinity> Daviey: Even just a boot/install/reboot smoketest would be fine.  Don't care if it's thoroughly tested, just need to be sure it won't set computers on fire if we release it.
[11:50] <cjwatson> xnox: any luck with scilab?  hopefully should just be a quick test ...
[11:52] <Daviey> infinity: if nobody beats me, i can do it in 1hr.
[11:55] <cjwatson> huh, why are oxide-qt/webbrowser-app republishing in -updates?  did we forget an override?
[11:57] <cjwatson> oh, phased updates
[11:58] <xnox> cjwatson: get loads of traceback from release, upgrading to proposed version now.
[12:01] <xnox> cjwatson: -proposed looks better.
[12:01] <xnox> at least doesn't vomit java tracebacks.
[12:01] <cjwatson> and the ui starts up?
[12:05] <xnox> cjwatson: yeap and i get the toolbox with drag&drop tools working.
[12:06]  * xnox should stop playing with discrete signal generators
[12:07] <jamespage> ok - everything apart from glance has now been uploaded - that just pending build testing by zul
[12:07] <infinity> jamespage: Timing++
[12:08] <infinity> cjwatson: We probably want to phase any 0-day SRUs at 100% out of the gate?
[12:08] <cjwatson> xnox: ok, good enough for me - unblocked, thanks
[12:09] <cjwatson> infinity: yeah, I would have done here if I'd noticed, but I'm sure this one will sort itself out
[12:11] <jibel> infinity, I'll update the release notes with the most important bugs we found and send the testing report. Unless there is an emergency fix to verify, testing is over and Ubuntu Desktop is okay.
[12:11] <infinity> jibel: Ta.
[12:12] <jibel> jamespage, there is no result on the tracker for MaaS, raid1 and jeos
[12:12] <infinity> jibel: Can you poke the lubuntu people about marking images ready and if they do or don't want to release ppc?
[12:12] <jamespage> jibel, my maas people are not up yet
[12:12] <jibel> infinity, I will
[12:12] <infinity> jibel: You're a champion.
[12:13] <jamespage> jibel, as soon as beisner is around he's got a rig setup to test this
[12:13] <jibel> jamespage, thanks
[12:14] <cjwatson> urgh, I didn't realise keystone was a 3h30m build
[12:14] <infinity> We've got some time to get it through.
[12:14] <cjwatson> 2h10m in
[12:15] <cjwatson> at least its autopkgtests are quick
[12:17] <jamespage> cjwatson, neither did I (realize its build took that long)
[12:17] <infinity> cjwatson: Just gives up time to fix two more FTBFSes. ;)
[12:17] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, also, probably time to give up on gcl and force wxmaxima. :P
[12:18] <cjwatson> Or we could just leave it given that the change doesn't fix anything important.
[12:18] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxmaxima/13.04.2-2 <- basically just porting anyway
[12:19] <cjwatson> oh, that's a sync over an Ubuntu change
[12:19] <cjwatson> -Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), libwxgtk2.8-dev (>= 2.8.4), autotools-dev
[12:19] <cjwatson> +Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9), dh-autoreconf, libwxgtk3.0-dev
[12:19] <cjwatson> I guess the wxgtk version might matter.
[12:19] <infinity> Yeah.
[12:20] <cjwatson> OK, I'll force it
[12:25] <highvoltage> o/
[12:36] <jibel> mlankhorst, are you still editing the release notes, if not can you release the lock?
[12:37] <mlankhorst> ok done
[12:39] <jibel> thanks
[12:40] <nhaines> I found a release note typo...
[12:41] <cjwatson> It's a wiki, please do copy-edit and such
[12:41] <nhaines> "Our 14.04 release image are now available for consumption" in the Touch/ How to install or update section should be "images".
[12:41] <nhaines> Oh, not locked?  I'm on it then.
[12:41] <cjwatson> Well, if the wiki edit lock isn't taken.
[12:41] <nhaines> Also ping jibel.
[12:41] <nhaines> cjwatson: I just wasn't expecting it to be world-editable, that's all.
[12:45] <Riddell> ooh all ready :)
[12:45] <nhaines> cjwatson: annndd it's immutable again.
[12:45] <Aurvandill> hello
[12:45] <Riddell> are we nearly there yet?
[12:46] <Riddell> Aurvandill: join #ubuntu-release-party for chat about release
[12:46] <Aurvandill> ok
[12:47] <cjwatson> nhaines: Are you logged in?
[12:47] <nhaines> cjwatson: yeah.  I had edit permissions, but of course there was an edit lock.
[12:47] <nhaines> No, let me refresh.
[12:47] <cjwatson> nhaines: anyway, I've fixed that line
[12:48] <nhaines> cjwatson: thanks.  :)
[12:50] <jibel> jamespage, in the release notes, in the section Server/MaaS 1.5, the link Kernel/LTSEnablementStack is broken
[12:51] <cjwatson> jibel: I have the lock, I'll fix it
[12:51] <cjwatson> it was just a backwards link
[12:53] <Riddell> just for good luck ↑
[12:54] <cjwatson> infinity: is the list of LTS flavours at the top of the release notes accurate?  I thought there were more this cycle
[12:54] <cjwatson> or am I thinking of three-year support?
[12:56] <infinity> cjwatson: I think that's right.  The LP change knows for sure.  Or the TB history.
[12:56] <cjwatson> mkay
[12:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Everybody's LTS this time (yay), but only those are 5y.
[12:56] <nhaines> Just made a quick change to the Touch notes where a header wasn't marked up right.  Fixed the h4 markup.
[12:57] <cjwatson> OK, right
[13:15] <sil2100> Hello dear release team! We're in the middle of releasing a unity8-desktop-session fix that we would love as a 0-day SRU (it's rather severe for that project, LP: #1308891) - would anyone have time to make this happen?
[13:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1308891 in unity8-desktop-session trunk "[SRU] indicators not started" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1308891
[13:15] <sil2100> It should be landing in UNAPPROVED shortly
[13:16] <nhaines> Well that was timely.
[13:16] <cjwatson> we could probably even still squeeze that into the release pocket, right?  it's not on any images
[13:18] <infinity> Yep.
[13:18] <infinity> Squeeze on MacDuff.
[13:18] <infinity> I'll warn before I close the archive for good.
[13:19] <cjwatson> ok, unblocking that then
[13:20] <jamespage> sorry -keystone still building
[13:20] <cjwatson> Saviq: initctl emit --no-wait is possibly your friend, btw
[13:20]  * jamespage makes a note to see if its unit tests can be run in parallel like everything else does next cycle
[13:21] <cjwatson> but since you've tested that I guess that job control works in that shell :)
[13:21] <cjwatson> jamespage: ETA 25 minutes or so based on the last build
[13:24] <john1999> !isitoutyet
[13:24] <ubot2> No john1999, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :)
[13:24] <cjwatson> infinity: did you want to unblock python-taskflow as well as forcing its autopkgtests?
[13:25] <cjwatson> john1999: please go to #ubuntu-release-party for that kind of thing.  This is a working channel
[13:25] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh.  Yes, yes I do.
[13:25] <john1999> you mean you guys r actually working on the build right now?
[13:26] <cjwatson> john1999: yes, please leave us in peace to finish it
[13:26] <john1999> cjwatson: just a question
[13:26] <john1999> cjwatson: please
[13:26] <john1999> cjwatson: how is ubuntu 14.04 minimal build comming along?
[13:27] <cjwatson> There are several things you might mean by that and I have no idea which.
[13:27] <cjwatson> But, regardless, now really isn't the time.
[13:27] <john1999> cjwatson: ok
[13:28] <john1999> cjwatson: mind if I just listen?
[13:28] <cjwatson> We don't mind lurkers
[13:28] <john1999> ok! i'm fully silent now!
[13:30] <Saviq> cjwatson, indeed, thanks
[13:43] <Bernard685> !help
[13:43] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[13:43] <Bernard685> !countdown
[13:43] <ubot2> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Trusty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2702/
[13:43] <knome> Bernard685, stop that.
[13:43] <knome> Bernard685, join #ubuntu-release-party if you want to anticipate the release with others
[13:43] <john1999> Bernard685: that will only delay the release
[13:44] <Bernard685> Okay
[13:44] <Bernard685> thx
[13:44] <knome> Bernard685, john1999: you should both leave this channel.
[13:44] <Aaruni> quick question : are these ~190 people the people who're working/testing/building/uploading the images ?
[13:50] <cjwatson> OK, channel moderated for today so that we don't have to keep answering questions; I've tried to voice release/flavour-team/QA/web types, please let me know if you have a legitimate need to coordinate here and I've missed you
[13:50] <knome> cjwatson, zequence
[13:51] <cjwatson> ta
[13:51] <knome> np
[13:51] <Riddell> cjwatson: what needs to be done still for release? (my girlfriend wants to know when I'll take her to the beach :)
[13:51] <cjwatson> Riddell: infinity has the master keys :)
[13:52] <Riddell> infinity: my relationship is in your hands ↑
[13:52] <knome> Riddell, lol, just go out ;)
[13:54] <cjwatson> grumble, keystone now 10min behind schedule
[13:55] <jamespage> sorry cjwatson and damn software which run tests in serial and have soooo many of them
[13:56] <jamespage> cjwatson, at least neutron as the manners to run 27k of them in parallel if possible
[13:59] <infinity> Riddell: I don't think you need to be around for the final push, do you?
[14:00] <infinity> Riddell: Which will be in 2 or 3 hours, I imagine (last night's respin threw us off a bit).
[14:00] <Riddell> infinity: web pages need publishing, tweets need tweeting.  plus it's always satisfying to be around for it
[14:01] <infinity> Riddell: Heh.  Could you pass the web bit off to ScottK?
[14:01] <Riddell> I have apachelogger helping lots and shadeslayer too
[14:01]  * infinity nods.
[14:02] <infinity> Riddell: So, I'll do the initial push soonish, but won't send the release announce until the mirrors settle a bit.
[14:02] <infinity> Riddell: But you could certainly push out your blog stuff in between A and B.
[14:04] <utlemming> infinity: let me know when to make the cloud images public
[14:04] <infinity> Daviey: Any indication on the state of myth testing?
[14:05] <infinity> And someone needs to tell me what's up with ubuntugnome.
[14:05] <infinity> jibel: Find me GNOME and Myth people to say nice things about their images? :)
[14:05] <Daviey> infinity: trying to test it now... but i am not in the most ideal of situations.
[14:10] <jibel> infinity, for Myth it'll be hard, they didn't even test the release, I'll try to find ubuntu gnome people
[14:20] <Daviey> jibel / infinity: tgm4883 is taking over the testing of Myth.  He'll have results in 1 hour.
[14:20] <Daviey> (I was trying to test over 3g->ssh->vnc to a remote server.. wasn't so great)
[14:21] <jibel> infinity, not much feedback from people on #ubuntu-gnome. I asked whoever is responsible of Ubuntu Gnome to join this channel and coordinate with you.
[14:23] <knome> looks like their qa lead is amjjawad, not around now
[14:32] <Laney> Tim said he might not be around for release, don't know about Ali
[14:32] <Laney> Checking that the cat is still alive after installing ubuntu-gnome just in case nobody better turns up
[14:36] <infinity> Laney: Yeah, they seem to have marked all their tests up, but no one marked the images ready, so just want to be sure.
[14:36] <Laney> Yep
[14:36] <Laney> I'll do it if it gets too late
[14:36] <infinity> Laney: If I don't hear back, I'll publish them regardless, I think.
[14:36] <Laney> Seems to ~work
[14:37] <Riddell> it's this sort of scenario where you need phone numbers to hassle people
[14:52] <cjwatson> jamespage: I assume we're kind of committed to waiting for keystone at this point, rather than shipping a mixed release ...
[14:52] <jamespage> cjwatson, I'd rather yes
[14:53] <jamespage> cjwatson, technically it is just a version change
[14:53] <jamespage> I'm trying to calc how long its got left
[14:54] <cjwatson> Yeah, it's towards the end of the test suite but still a fair bit to go
[14:54] <Daviey> jamespage: it's just ascetics, no code change?
[14:55] <cjwatson> aesthetics
[14:55] <jamespage> cjwatson, Daviey: yes it is so we can go without it if need be
[14:55] <Daviey> cjwatson: That aswell.
[14:55] <jamespage> cjwatson, how much longer can we wait?
[14:56] <cjwatson> OTOH I would rather we didn't have to try to flip the switch to release when there's actually a build in flight
[14:56] <cjwatson> I'm not sure if that's allowed
[14:56] <wgrant> Please don't.
[14:56] <wgrant> We might be better off backreving the release pocket :)
[14:56] <cjwatson> Clearly infinity can be pushing out images beforehand, if he isn't already
[14:56] <wgrant> Oh
[14:56] <wgrant> You mean mixed as in between openstack projects, not like a mixed keystone.
[14:56] <cjwatson> Yes
[14:57] <cjwatson> I'd rather not though, just 'cos it's so close
[14:57] <stgraber> jamespage: are the numbers on the right how long it took for the test?
[14:57] <stgraber> if so, 53min
[14:57] <jamespage> yes
[14:57] <stgraber> (based on the rc2 times for all remaining tests)
[14:57] <jamespage> stgraber, but its running alot slower than the previous version
[14:58] <cjwatson> I guess brownie is a chunk faster than lamiak
[14:58] <cjwatson> If I'd realised I'd have forced it there four hours ago
[14:59] <stgraber> jamespage: hmm, indeed, around 50% slower for the past few tests, so if that stays true, it should be done in 1.5h then...
[14:59] <jamespage> I reckon about 1 hr
[15:02] <rbasak> I make it 90% done through the tests (without weighting them for run time).
[15:05] <rbasak> Assuming tests are the majority of the time there, that makes it ~26 minutes.
[15:06] <stgraber> rbasak: unfortunately there is a big batch of long running tests later on so I'd expect things to take quite a big longer than that
[15:07] <stgraber> anyway, not much we can do but wait
[15:10] <rbasak> stgraber: well, I can weight it then. Now I make it ~49 minutes :)
[15:10] <rbasak> (as in, that's what I can do while we wait :-)
[15:37] <xnox> infinity: cjwatson: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ has beta2 images, or are those in progress to be purged?
[15:37] <cjwatson> xnox: in progress
[15:37] <xnox> cjwatson: ack.
[15:38] <cjwatson> seems to be stuck pushing to acai at the moment
[15:49] <cjwatson> Think about the practicalities for just one second.
[15:51] <stgraber> ?
[15:51] <knome> there needs to be a better release plan next time... especially with the 16.04 lts release.
[15:52] <infinity> knome: What's wrong with this one?  It's still release day.
[15:52] <jamespage> at last...
[15:52] <knome> upload to a secret server, then when it's ready, point cdimage.ubuntu.com DNS to that?
[15:52] <infinity> knome: People expecting a specific time of day are wrong.
[15:52] <knome> infinity, well, cjwatson not being able to push updates to the server because it's hammered...
[15:52] <knome> infinity, i'm not saying there should be a specific time.
[15:52] <infinity> knome: Oh, yes, that's a problem.  We need to have less impatient users. :)
[15:52] <infinity> knome: (And yes, we could make the infra saner)
[15:53] <knome> i'm saying the developers need to be able to do their work...
[15:53] <knome> that would also make us able to release sooner
[15:53] <cjwatson> How about for once we talk about this when it *isn't* release day.
[15:53] <highvoltage> +1
[15:53] <jamespage> +1
[15:53] <knome> i'm all for that, just saying.
[15:54] <knome> is ther and agenda page for the release team meetings? either i can't see it or it doesn't exist
[15:54] <cjwatson> We don't have release team meetings
[15:54] <infinity> knome: The latter.
[15:54] <cjwatson> Except sometimes at UDS
[15:55] <knome> oh... weekly coordination?
[15:55] <knome> oh, that's on the mailing list
[15:55] <infinity> knome: Can we bring these things up next week? :P
[15:55]  * knome hides under the table in shame
[15:55] <knome> infinity, i was about to do that.
[16:02] <cjwatson> oho, keystone finished
[16:02] <cjwatson> so autopkgtest, copy, done
[16:02] <cjwatson> *publish, done
[16:09] <cjwatson> JackYu: You need to talk to infinity
[16:09] <Daviey> infinity: Problem found with mythbuntu.  Probably affecting 25% or so of new installs.
[16:10] <Laney> Something weird's going on with the moderation
[16:10] <Laney> J_ackYu isn't voiced so I guess only cjwatson can see wha the's saying
[16:10] <stgraber> cjwatson: you may want to voice JackYu
[16:10] <Daviey> infinity: One line tested fix, can we upload & respin ? :)
[16:10] <infinity> Daviey: ...
[16:10] <cjwatson> Oh whoops
[16:10] <Laney> Didn't know that it worked like that...
[16:10] <cjwatson> 17:07 <JackYu> hi cjwatson, could we release a previous iso?
[16:10] <cjwatson> 17:08 <JackYu> cjwatson, I mean http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntukylin/daily-live/20140416.3/, not 20140417 or 20140417.1
[16:10] <cjwatson> 17:09 <JackYu> cjwatson, thanks
[16:10] <cjwatson> 17:09 <JackYu> infinity, hi
[16:10] <cjwatson> 17:10 <tgm4883> Daviey, 15%
[16:10] <Laney> I guess that's why "Think about the practicailities" came out of nowhere too
[16:11] <stgraber> JackYu: hmm, wouldn't that mean releasing with the critical unity bug?
[16:11] <infinity> JackYu: Seriously?  I don't think that's remotely sane.  Why?
[16:12] <JackYu> infinity, stgraber, we want to install ubuntu-kylin-docs instead of ubuntu-doc, but we got a problem that both of them are not there...
[16:12] <infinity> JackYu: I thought 17.1 fixed that.
[16:12] <Daviey> tgm4883: Can you prepare an upload, that we can at least prep for SRU.
[16:12] <JackYu> infinity, not yet.
[16:13] <tgm4883> Daviey, i'll work on it with superm1
[16:13] <infinity> ubuntu-kylin-docs14.04.3
[16:13] <infinity> JackYu: It's installed on your ISOs, I can see it in the manifest.
[16:14] <cjwatson> Daviey: What's the problem here?
[16:14] <Daviey> cjwatson: bug 1309084, postrm issue that is only exposed on an advanced style install.
[16:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1309084 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Mythbuntu installer crashes when installing frontend only" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309084
[16:14] <JackYu> infinity, let me check. ypwong did the test. I'm still downloading it...
[16:15] <slangasek> cjwatson: thanks for taking care of cloud-installer.  where can I help this morning?
[16:15] <Daviey> cjwatson: http://imagebin.org/306161
[16:15] <cjwatson> Pici: Well, I'm not sure that was totally right ...
[16:15] <Pici> uhh
[16:16] <slangasek> knome: breaking a bottle?! we're releasing an OS, not a ship
[16:16] <Daviey> cjwatson: Providing that ubiquity still pulls in updates from the archive, I think it's reasonable to release with this known issue - if we can 0day the fix.
[16:16] <knome> slangasek, lol ;)
[16:16] <knome> slangasek, don't worry, i'm making up for it by drinking more beer. i promise!
[16:16] <Pici> cjwatson: sorry :/
[16:17] <cjwatson> Sorry, this is a mess, I hate fancy IRC tricks
[16:18] <Riddell> infinity: I'm running out, shadeslayer and apachelogger are in control of Kubuntu release
[16:18] <cjwatson> 17:16 <ypwong> infinity, it's removed somehow by unknown reason (i haven't dug deeper) as can be seen in /var/log/installer/syslog
[16:19] <knome> Riddell, have a nice day! :)
[16:19] <cjwatson> Daviey: ubiquity can be told to, though it requires a server-side switch and isn't all that well-tested
[16:19] <cjwatson> Daviey: I don't think we have time for a ubiquity update today though
[16:20] <ogra_> stgraber, so we would like "flo mako manta generic generic_x86" 302 from devel/trusty to become 11 stable
[16:20] <stgraber> ogra_: now or waiting for 14.04 to be actually released first?
[16:20] <cjwatson> keystone is publishing to release now
[16:20] <cjwatson> after that I think the archive is closed for business
[16:21] <ogra_> stgraber, together with the release
[16:21] <cjwatson> slangasek: spotting anything we've missed
[16:21] <Daviey> cjwatson: It's a silly space issue, pretty easy to validate.  What would you suggest happens now?
[16:21] <ogra_> stgraber, just wanted to make sure you have the arch list and numbers :)
[16:21] <slangasek> ack. is there a release announcement draft somewhere?
[16:21] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, I can turn off publishing and do it now, though if I do that, you won't have anything publishing in any channel until then
[16:21] <cjwatson> Daviey: advanced case only?  can we release-note it?
[16:22] <ogra_> stgraber, well, i dont think we will tinker with any image anymore now :) do as it pleases you and as it causes least work for you
[16:22] <infinity> Daviey: Given that it's an LTS, release noting and fixing it for 14.04.1 might be good enough?
[16:22] <Daviey> cjwatson: Tastes rubbish, but I think it's a reasonable thing.  It is recoverable, doesn't burn the system.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Daviey: We can't turn around a ubiquity upload in much less than an hour, and then there would be image builds; we would be cutting it extremely fine
[16:23] <cjwatson> And working on tired developers
[16:23] <infinity> Tired developers that want cake. :/
[16:23] <Daviey> cjwatson: Sorry, it's not a ubiquity issue. it's a mythtv package issue. Which is reasonably quick IIRC, but the publish and spin is time consuming
[16:23] <stgraber> ogra_: adding/removing devices doesn't take any time, though the copy might, so may as well do it now
[16:24] <stgraber> ogra_: so I'll do all that now, hands off cdimage/system-image until release then :)
[16:24] <cjwatson> I want to see the diffs for both the mythbuntu and kylin fixes
[16:24] <cjwatson> but I have a hard stop in <1h and will then be offline for the duration
[16:24] <JackYu> infinity, hi, in this case, could we release a previous build?
[16:24] <stgraber> ogra_: and just to confirm, you want me to drop grouper and maguro from there, not just keep them on an old version right?
[16:25] <cjwatson> JackYu: there are no previous builds that don't have a fatal security flaw, as I understand it
[16:25] <infinity> JackYu: A previous build still wouldn't have your docs, and would also not match the archive sources and moss out on other fixes.
[16:25] <ogra_> stgraber, i want them to stay around
[16:25] <infinity> s/moss/miss/
[16:25] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, why?
[16:25] <ogra_> stgraber, we dont want to drop the old releases for arches we dont build for anymore
[16:25] <cjwatson> I don't think we have a lot of options here, in either the Myth or Kylin cases
[16:25] <ogra_> stgraber, so people can still tinker with tehse devices if they need to
[16:26] <JackYu> cjwatson, infinity, yep, but a previous version has the ubuntu-docs...
[16:26] <infinity> JackYu: Could you hack around this by having an ubuntukylin-default-settings SRU that just depends on the docs and pulls them in post-install?
[16:26] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, it may be slightly confusing to them that they'll get saucy on those and trusty for the others, but whatever :)
[16:26] <cjwatson> JackYu: And a lock screen that can be bypassed in ten seconds.
[16:26] <ogra_> stgraber, we dont remove armel images from releases.u.c either when we drop the arch ;)
[16:26] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah but we don't exactly support saucy on touch either :)
[16:26] <infinity> JackYu: Or your software-center fork, or something that's always on your images.
[16:26] <JackYu> cjwaton, OK.
[16:27] <cjwatson> I like infinity's suggestion here, if it's implementable
[16:27] <stgraber> ogra_: anyway, I'm happy to keep them around and wipe them off system-image when saucy goes EOL in 3 months
[16:27] <ogra_> stgraber, true, but i think its evil to just wipe old releases
[16:27] <ogra_> ah yeah
[16:27] <JackYu> cjwaton, infinity, so your suggestion is we fix this after this release?
[16:27] <cjwatson> But basically our choices at this point are to release what we have with release notes (and maybe try to mitigate in SRUs, and certainly fix properly in the next point release) or not release the affected images at all
[16:27] <ogra_> touch might also have a new release by then
[16:27] <ogra_> :=
[16:27] <ogra_> :)
[16:27] <cjwatson> I don't think we have time and energy to go through another respin cycle
[16:28] <JackYu> cjwatson, infinity, I agree:)
[16:28] <cjwatson> The UK release team are all eight hours into their day after a week of pretty consistent overtime
[16:29] <cjwatson> We *could* build myth and kylin out of updates and release them tomorrow, or something, but it's a public holiday in many places so that relies on Canonical release staff being available
[16:29] <cjwatson> I won't be
[16:29] <infinity> I'd prefer not to be.
[16:30] <cjwatson> So those are the parameters, I think; the affected flavour leads need to decide
[16:31] <cjwatson> I guess that's a decision from Kylin
[16:32] <JackYu> cjwatson, :). It's Apr 18 here
[16:32] <infinity> It sure is.
[16:34] <cjwatson>  keystone | 1:2014.1-0ubuntu1                            | trusty           | source, all
[16:34] <cjwatson> We should probably lock the archive soon
[16:34] <Daviey> cjwatson: debdiff on way.
[16:34] <slangasek> infinity: do you have a release announcement draft somewhere that I'm not finding?
[16:35] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, methinks I shall lock it down now.
[16:35] <infinity> slangasek: I haz something I can pastebin for review.
[16:35] <slangasek> infinity: yes please
[16:36] <stgraber> ogra_: system-image is ready. For some reason, the code fails to generate deltas for the stable channel but I don't think it's a big deal right now since forcing a full upgrade when moving from saucy to trusty is probably a good thing anyway.
[16:36] <jose> infinity, slangasek: news team here, if we can have it as well to x-post in the Fridge asap it'd be awesome
[16:36] <cjwatson> Daviey: OK.  I still think we need you folks to make a decision based on the parameters above, unless somebody volunteers to help with a Mythbuntu publication from an image built from -updates later tonight
[16:36] <ogra_> stgraber, definitely ... we want to be sure boot.img gets upgraded ... i guess full upgrade is the safest for that
[16:36] <stgraber> ogra_: I'll figure out what's going on with the deltas next week because those really should be generated on the fly when missing...
[16:37] <ogra_> yeah
[16:37] <ogra_> i doubt a delta between saucy and trusty would be a useful size anyway
[16:37] <JackYu> infinity, hi the release note of Ubuntu Kylin is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/Kylin
[16:39] <infinity> JackYu: Lovely, thanks.
[16:40] <knome> infinity, everything fine with the release notes? :)
[16:40] <infinity> knome: Looks good enough to me.  And, hey, it's a wiki.
[16:40] <knome> infinity, yep. goodie :)
[16:40] <infinity> knome: So, if people don't like 'em, they can fix. ;)
[16:40] <xnox> jose: we didn't push release announcement yet.
[16:41] <jose> I'm aware :)
[16:41] <knome> cjwatson, can you voice elfy?
[16:42] <knome> or Pici..
[16:42] <Pici> :)
[16:43] <Daviey> cjwatson: see the upload ^^
[16:45] <infinity> Daviey: Fun bug.  And would have been worth a respin for if people had tested yesterday.
[16:46] <Daviey> infinity: indeed.
[16:46] <Daviey> infinity: So, do we release note this? Or hope to do a respin in an hour?
[16:47] <infinity> Daviey: I mean, ultimately, it's up to you guys if you'd prefer to pull the image and fix this later, but $later might be timed poorly with the long weekend, etc.
[16:47] <Daviey> Either way, should I accept this into proposed as SRU?
[16:47] <infinity> Daviey: I'll accept the upload, yeah, then we can figure out what to do with it.
[16:51] <Laney> didrocks: you're expecting that to go to updates?
[16:51] <infinity> Daviey: If you could smoketest very, very, very quickly, I could respin Myth tonight and release just you guys late. :/
[16:52] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, no rush on it. I was discussing if they needed a whole SRU bug or if it was considered as 0-day SRU
[16:52] <slangasek> infinity: everything's in the archive for myth to allow that?
[16:52] <didrocks> Laney: as it's a crasher fix, I'm unsure a full SRU bug is needed (and for me, there is no rush anyway, as it will be only when we rebuild a Touch image, which will be on Tuesday I guess)
[16:53] <Daviey> infinity: If you would be willing to do that, You'd earn yourself beer tokens and the appreciation of mythbuntu users worldwide.
[16:54] <Laney> didrocks: Normally, yes, certainly - every SRU needs to come with a bug
[16:54] <Daviey> infinity: Talking to superm1 and tgm4883, we are in agreement that we'd prefer to delay the release if need be for this.
[16:54] <Daviey> infinity: So if you are willing to pull a respin, we'd be most grateful
[16:55] <cjwatson> Perhaps somebody in the US could help instead / as well?
[16:55] <infinity> Daviey: It'll need to earn me more than beer, but yeah, I can make it happen.
[16:55] <Laney> Not sure exactly when SRU rules start to apply
[16:55] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, I was exactly unsure of that ;)
[16:55] <infinity> Daviey: I can also jam mythtv into the release pocket for you, if no one else ships it...
[16:56] <infinity> And indeed, no one does.
[16:56] <Daviey> infinity: Erm, superm1 is concerned that there is another issue. I think it's sounding safer just to defer this.
[16:56] <didrocks> Laney: the bug attached to the MP is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1297297
[16:56] <infinity> ...
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297297 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Click scope crash during search when going out of WiFi" [Critical,In progress]
[16:56] <infinity> Daviey: Eventually, we have to call it good enough.
[16:56] <cjwatson> Defer to what?
[16:56] <infinity> Daviey: Fixing the critical installer failure is one thing, but some bugs just need to be SRUed later.
[16:56] <cjwatson> Are you suggesting not shipping Mythbuntu at all until 14.04.1?
[16:56] <didrocks> Laney: it's not in the generated changelog? (should be) want me to check?
[16:56] <cjwatson> (Which would be ... new)
[16:56] <Laney> didrocks: it is
[16:57] <infinity> superm1: What's the "other thing"?
[16:57] <didrocks> ah, phew :)
[16:57] <Laney> didrocks: I'm in one team but not the other one, you see
[16:57] <Daviey> infinity: installs on Nvidia seems to be crashing the installer.
[16:57] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, as it's not released, I was thinking it would go to -proposed
[16:57] <Laney> Basically I'm saying I don't know if I should. :P
[16:57] <didrocks> Laney: and then, copied over as the rest of things there
[16:57] <didrocks> (that are in -proposed)
[16:57] <Laney> I guess so
[16:58] <infinity> Daviey: If that's really the case, and not some odd local problem, I think we should just pull it completely and revisit the option of maybe a week-late release for Myth or something.
[16:58] <Laney> I just did a test kylin install and indeed ubuntu-kylin-docs was removed
[16:58] <Daviey> I think it's a total failure on time based release, but pushing out an ISO a week later seems more sensible
[16:59] <popey> Daviey: i can test mythtv install on my nvidia desktop if that's any use?
[16:59] <infinity> Laney: Yeah, I don't doubt that.  But it's fixable in an SRU.
[16:59] <Daviey> popey: That would be useful, you can probably get it faster from http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/iso/mythbuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:59] <Laney> I'm sure it is, was just making sure
[16:59]  * popey wgets
[17:00] <cjwatson> Oh drat
[17:00] <infinity> Daviey: We're itching to release the rest of the world, so I think we need to just take a hard line here soon.
[17:00] <popey> Daviey: do you have a bug which details what I need to do to reproduce this?
[17:00] <Laney> Daviey: 12.04.3?
[17:00] <cjwatson> 17:56 <superm1> yes lets defer
[17:00] <cjwatson> 17:56 <superm1> i'm investigating another bad issue that just popped up crashing install
[17:00] <cjwatson> 17:57 <superm1> infinity: w/ real nvidia HW the installer crashes on one of the pages
[17:00] <cjwatson> 17:57 <superm1> it's a crash in one of our plugins
[17:00] <infinity> Daviey: I'm willing to help with a leisurely late release next week, instead of panicking today.
[17:00] <cjwatson> 17:58 <superm1> yes i think that would be the way to go
[17:00] <infinity> superm1: Ahh, kay.  Now that Colin pasted your messages.  Yeah, I'll just pull your images, and let's sort this next week.
[17:00] <superm1> ok
[17:01] <infinity> superm1: Very willing to help, just not willing to help under pressure, if that's cool.
[17:01] <superm1> sorry guys :(
[17:01] <Daviey> Sorry for the crappy panic.
[17:01] <popey> superm1: got a bug number?
[17:01] <tgm4883> infinity, i'll update our wiki to direct to a page with a statement
[17:01] <superm1> popey: not yet, i'll get one filed momentarily
[17:01] <popey> ok
[17:01] <cjwatson> OK, I have to go and we're close enough ...
[17:02] <Laney> didrocks: I'll accept it and then you can get the SRU team to deal with the next bit
[17:02] <Laney> how about that
[17:02] <didrocks> Laney: sounds good to me
[17:02] <didrocks> thanks Laney!
[17:02] <didrocks> Laney: I'm not a fan of the fix FWIW
[17:02] <Laney> you should find out where the leak is coming from :-)
[17:02] <didrocks> but I guess it's better than not having it :p
[17:02] <whiskers75> I would suggest blocking releases.ubuntu.com to the general public.
[17:02] <didrocks> Laney: agreed, that's up to upstream anyway :p
[17:02] <cjwatson> whiskers75: Far too late
[17:03] <cjwatson> We dealt with things
[17:03] <popey> Daviey: you sure about that url... 12.04..?
[17:04] <Daviey> popey: Yeah, i just PM'd yopu
[17:05] <DASPRiD> whiskers75, why that?
[17:05] <xnox> whiskers75: no.
[17:06] <mdeslaur> the trusty release notes are a bit odd in the "upgrading from Ubuntu 13.10" section
[17:06] <xnox> mdeslaur: let me check.
[17:06] <mdeslaur> "Open Software Sources." followed by "Press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager" "
[17:06] <infinity> superm1: Alright, Myth images pulled, that's pushing to cdimage now.
[17:07] <didrocks> thanks Laney!
[17:07] <xnox> mdeslaur: the way i read it, 4 ways to upgrade. Not step by step.
[17:07] <xnox> mdeslaur: do you want me to change into step by step lists instead ?
[17:07] <cjwatson> That's definitely not four ways to upgrade.
[17:07] <xnox> mdeslaur: it did give me a "?-/" face
[17:07] <cjwatson> The second to fourth are clearly a sequence.
[17:08] <Naxiz> 19:02 < whiskers75> I would suggest blocking releases.ubuntu.com to the general public.
[17:08] <cjwatson> It looks like a leftover.
[17:08] <cjwatson> Naxiz: Please stop.
[17:08] <cjwatson> It is not the time to harp on a problem from an hour or two ago
[17:08] <Naxiz> sorry i pressed wrong button
[17:09] <furball707> People are spamming the servers still
[17:10] <mdeslaur> yeah, second to fourth look good, but the "Open Software Sources" line probably can be deleted completely
[17:12] <cjwatson> mdeslaur: done
[17:12] <cjwatson> maclin: fyi your release notes lock timed out
[17:13] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: thanks
[17:19] <cjwatson> infinity: you should be able to edit stuff now
[17:19] <popey> daviey / superm1: got that bug for me? I have a usb stick booted.
[17:20] <superm1> popey: 1309119
[17:20] <maclin> cjwatson, sorry, I finish update now^
[17:20] <popey> superm1: ta
[17:20] <superm1> sure
[17:21] <popey> superm1: any specific options or just defaults?
[17:21] <superm1> popey: it will reproduce with defaults if you have nvidia hw in system
[17:21] <popey> ok
[17:21] <whiskers75> infinity: so it's released into the repos?
[17:23] <ogra_> whiskers75, please wait for the release announcement you will clearly notice
[17:24] <whiskers75> ogra_: sure, sorry. do we have any etas?
[17:24] <ogra_> any minute :)
[17:24] <john1999> ogra_: is ubuntu minimal gonna be released soon?
[17:24] <ogra_> stgraber, do you do the copying for the phone images ?
[17:24] <xnox> website will go live first.
[17:24] <whiskers75> ogra_: ooh good, finally ;)
[17:24] <ogra_> john1999, together with everything else
[17:24] <whiskers75> what about do-release-upgrades?
[17:24] <cjwatson> This isn't #ubuntu-release-party, people.  If you aren't directly involved with the release, please stop asking.
[17:24] <stgraber> ogra_: copy is done, I'll do the publish now
[17:25] <john1999> ogra_: ok I wasn't sure you compiled it
[17:25] <ogra_> awesome !
[17:25] <ogra_> didrocks, see above
[17:25] <cjwatson> There'll be an announcement soon enough.
[17:25] <didrocks> ogra_: saw it, ready to send emails once the official announce is done :) THanks!
[17:25] <ogra_> :)
[17:25]  * ogra_ pets his phone 
[17:25] <didrocks> stgraber: ogra_: thanks!
[17:26] <stgraber> ogra: "description": "ubuntu=20140417,device=20140411.3,version=11",
[17:26] <ogra_> yay
[17:26] <ogra_> so phone is live :)
[17:26] <PaulW2U> away back later
[17:26]  * whiskers75 claps
[17:27] <tgm4883> Can someone remove Mythbuntu 14.04 from torrent.ubuntu.com ? It seems that is a valid torrent right now
[17:27] <cjwatson> tgm4883: doing
[17:27] <whiskers75> tgm4883: that's been discussed, I think
[17:27] <tgm4883> cjwatson, thanks
[17:28] <cjwatson> tgm4883: done
[17:28] <cjwatson> (modulo rsync)
[17:28] <cjwatson> yeah, visible
[17:30] <svineet> !isitout
[17:30] <ubot2> No svineet, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :)
[17:30] <svineet> ubot2 good bot. Biscuit?
[17:30] <ubot2> svineet: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:31] <bdmurray> cjwatson: is somebody handling the meta-release file or shall I?
[17:31] <cjwatson> bdmurray: check with infinity whether it's OK, I was about to sign out for Easter
[17:31] <cjwatson> bdmurray: you know we aren't offering it for LTS upgrades yet, right?
[17:31] <cjwatson> (until .1)
[17:31] <bdmurray> cjwatson: right, I remember that
[17:32] <Naughx> Have a great week-end. :)
[17:32] <whiskers75> What does 'Archive: Limbo' mean?
[17:32] <knome> cjwatson, thanks for everything, sorry for distracting before, and have a good holiday :)
[17:32] <bdmurray> infinity: shall I take care of the meta-release change?
[17:32] <Guest92736> whiskers75: it means it's neither 14.10 nor 14.04
[17:33] <cjwatson> It means no uploads are going to be processed for a while; the new series needs to be created before much can happen
[17:34] <whiskers75> cjwatson: as in 14.04?
[17:34] <tumbleweed> and then we need a name...
[17:35] <cjwatson> "new series" -> the one after 14.04
[17:35] <xnox> cjwatson: the website is deploying.... very very slowly.... it will be a while until it's live.
[17:35] <whiskers75> cjwatson: how does it get kicked out of limbo?
[17:35] <xnox> cjwatson: after that release announce will be moderated.
[17:35] <cjwatson> whiskers75: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess
[17:36]  * cjwatson -> gone
[17:37] <jose> thank you, cjwatson
[17:38] <whiskers75> ah
[17:40] <popey> superm1: Daviey yeah, confirmed..
[17:41] <nhaines> Thank you to everyone. :)
[17:45] <superm1> popey: i've got a simple fix that avoids the crash, but there is a little more to it because the driver isn't getting installed
[17:45] <superm1> popey: could you hop to #ubuntu-mythtv-dev for a moment?
[17:46] <superm1> i'll chat more with you there
[17:49] <xnox> we are waiting for bzr to auto-repack websites assets repository
[17:50] <Laney> I had a look into the kylin-docs problem
[17:50] <Laney> It's in casper's manifest-remove, probably because it's installed using apt from their hook
[17:50] <julien1> ubuntu 14.04 is not yet released ?
[17:51] <knome> julien1, no, and please stop asking
[17:51] <AlanBell> julien1: please wait in #ubuntu-release-party, it will be announced when everything is ready
[17:53] <julien1> knome: sorry asking this question on a channel named "ubuntu-release"
[17:53] <julien1> AlanBell: thanks
[17:58] <DASPRiD> julien1, this channel is more for release organisation than "support" :)
[17:59] <julien1> DASPRiD: ok, sorry, i wait for the announce on ubuntu-release-party ;)
[17:59] <Laney> The Conflicts causes issues
[18:03] <xnox> website live on some frontends
[18:05] <Naughx> The website was updated. :o
[18:05] <knome> does it echo here?
[18:08] <john1999> the minimal cd is not yet ouy?!
[18:09] <john1999> *out
[18:09] <xnox> website is released, announce email is out.
[18:09] <whiskers75> h00k: Will this release be available through software updater?
[18:09] <whiskers75> s/h00k/xnox
[18:09] <xnox> whiskers75: read release announcement.
[18:10] <whiskers75> xnox: where?
[18:10] <xnox> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html
[18:10] <john1999> xnox: please publish mini.iso too?
[18:10] <xnox> john1999: it's published in the usual location.
[18:11] <yofel> kubuntu too, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ is empty
[18:11] <whiskers75> xnox: curse you and your 24th release date
[18:11] <slangasek> infinity, cjwatson, stgraber, xnox, everyone else: yay, well done
[18:11] <DASPRiD> congratz to the release everyone
[18:11] <john1999> xnox: it doesn't appear! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD!
[18:11] <whiskers75> xnox: ;P
[18:11] <whiskers75> xnox: I'm on 12.04...
[18:11] <slangasek> john1999: that page is not maintained by the release team
[18:11] <Laney> nice one
[18:12] <john1999> slangasek: so can you give me a link to it?
[18:12] <yofel> john1999: copy the 13.10 link, replace saucy with trusty and you should get it
[18:13] <slangasek> john1999: I would not recommend the minimal CD to anyone for use
[18:13] <mrdevries> so the daily build of last night is in fact the final LTS? just got the e-mail :) congratulations guys, really awesome job :D
[18:13] <whiskers75> 'Users of 12.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 14.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 24th'
[18:13] <whiskers75> D:
[18:13] <john1999> slangasek:  sorry I use my own WM (I can't do that unless I get the mini one!)
[18:14] <Naughx> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ ... No zsync file. :(
[18:15] <xnox> yofel: checking.
[18:15] <john1999> slangasek: I use dynamic window manager
[18:15] <xnox> john1999: mini iso is published at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot
[18:15] <xnox> whiskers75: no cursing, please.
[18:15] <john1999> xnox I followed yofel instructions same thing
[18:16] <whiskers75> xnox: Sorry, it was meant lightly
[18:16] <john1999> are u sure it's not BETA?
[18:16] <xnox> whiskers75: upgrades will be enabled on july 24th.
[18:16] <gman> any idea how long it takes software update to pick up 14.04?
[18:16] <xnox> Naughx: investigating.
[18:16] <yofel> john1999: there is always only one image per release, so even if it says beta, it's not
[18:17] <xnox> gman: until 24th of july, read the release announcement.
[18:17] <bdmurray> slangasek: shall I take care of the meta-release changes? I already pushed them in bzr just need to update the server
[18:17] <john1999> ok yofel I'm gonna install it and DWM
[18:17] <gman> ah thanks
[18:17] <whiskers75> xnox: thanks
[18:17] <john1999> also did u fix the keyboard bug (13.10 doesn't work with any usb keyboard on my pc)
[18:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: I think it's great if you take care of the metarelease changes, thanks.  Per the discussion earlier, I believe this is to update showing 14.04 as an available upgrade only to 13.10 users, correct?
[18:18]  * xnox investigating missing Kubuntu and Lubuntu download iso on the cdimage.
[18:18] <Aurvandill> hello you've linke xubuntu wrong
[18:18] <shadeslayer> infinity: is cdimages.ubuntu.com exploding? The ISO's seem to be in a quantum state of existence
[18:18] <infinity> bdmurray: elmo wanted some warning on meta-release changes.
[18:18] <xnox> shadeslayer: investigating.
[18:18] <infinity> shadeslayer: Yeah, I'm hunting that down.
[18:18] <shadeslayer> sometimes the link works, while it doesn't at other times
[18:18] <Aurvandill> if i'm right here
[18:18] <shadeslayer> ah cool, thx
[18:18] <bdmurray> infinity: ?
[18:19] <mvo_> infinity: oh, why (just curious)?
[18:20] <john1999> slangasek: btw my Dwmbuntu is personal distro (so I won't ever publish it)
[18:20] <xnox> mvo_: which bit? kubuntu? it's correct on the master server, hunting #is to see how CDN is redirecting things.
[18:20] <mvo_> xnox: just the bit about meta-release changes
[18:21] <infinity> mvo_: For $reasons.  Just gimme a few.
[18:21] <mvo_> infinity: no problem, like I said, I'm just curious about it
[18:25] <davmor2> Riddell: what's up with your download page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[18:26] <jibel> davmor2, the release team is on it.
[18:26] <shadeslayer> davmor2: Kubuntu only supports Quantum computers with quantum ISO's
[18:27] <shadeslayer> ;)
[18:27] <davmor2> shadeslayer: haha
[18:27] <infinity> mvo_ / bdmurray: IS is working on getting some archive servers back online, please hold off on meta-release until that happens.
[18:28] <shadeslayer> though yeah, /me is waiting for someone to fix that so I can publish my blog post
[18:28] <bdmurray> infinity: ack
[18:28] <IdleOne> Thanks for all the awesome and hard work folks :)
[18:29] <mvo_> infinity: ok
[18:29] <infinity> shadeslayer: We're fixing the CloudFront redirects right now.  The page will still look goofy, but downloads will magically work regardless affter that.
[18:30] <shadeslayer> infinity: ah that's good enough for me
[18:30] <infinity> shadeslayer: ie: if you download http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/kubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso it works, even though it's not actually mirrored on the cdimage frontends yet.
[18:30] <shadeslayer> oh my
[18:30] <shadeslayer> infinity: that link gives me weird cloudfront things right now ;)
[18:30] <infinity> shadeslayer: That's what I'd expect it to do...
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:30] <infinity> shadeslayer: Or, you mean really weird?
[18:31] <infinity> Oh.  403.  Whee.
[18:31] <shadeslayer> infinity: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopfK2166.png
[18:31] <shadeslayer> that sort of looks outside-the-box-weird
[18:31] <shadeslayer> I guess temporary issue
[18:31] <infinity> shadeslayer: Yeah.  Noted.  Fixing.
[18:31] <infinity> La la la.
[18:33] <infinity> shadeslayer: Okay, cloudfront should not 403 anymore.
[18:33] <apachelogger> works here anyway
[18:33] <shadeslayer> yep works
[18:33] <shadeslayer> thx
[18:33] <slangasek> infinity: who should we coordinate with on the IS side for this?  I'm assuming you will want to be having a nice warm English beer before long, and that bdmurray should work with IS directly :)
[18:33] <infinity> shadeslayer: Hopefully, the rsyncs will clear up now.
[18:34] <shadeslayer> infinity: <3
[18:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sending off email to kubuntu-devel then
[18:35] <xnox> shadeslayer: \o/
[18:35] <shadeslayer> xnox: {{hugs}}
[18:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: waaaaait
[18:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: already done :(
[18:35] <jibel> infinity, is IS fixing cdimage for other flavors?
[18:35]  * apachelogger throws a keyboard and hopes the revised version was sent
[18:35] <infinity> jibel: It's all being sorted.
[18:36] <jibel> ta
[18:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you change something in the last 10 minutes?
[18:36] <Naughx> That said the torrent files and zsync files are still unavailaible on cdimage.
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, correct version, it's all good
[18:36] <apachelogger> phew
[18:36] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:37] <Naughx> or maybe I'm wrong.
[18:37] <shadeslayer> pft, moderated on kubuntu-users
[18:38] <infinity> Naughx: We know.
[18:38] <infinity> Naughx: It's being sorted.
[18:38] <Naughx> Okay. :)
[18:41] <rpadovani> guys, until the last release there was a start-download page that sent users to mirrors. Now I don't find that page, so our LoCo website has to send users directly to releases.ubuntu.com, and this is not optimal for your servers. What's the solution?
[18:44] <slangasek> rpadovani: does 'http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you/?version=14.04&architecture=amd64' not suffice?
[18:47] <Naughx> Looks like everything is working fine for me. Thanks. :)
[18:47] <michagogo|cloud> rpadovani: you could also look at the mirrors list and find your local one
[18:48] <michagogo|cloud> (or several local ones, idk where you're located)
[18:48] <michagogo|cloud> There's a list at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[18:48] <michagogo|cloud> Though idk if that shows mirrors that aren't synced up with the release yet
[18:49] <rpadovani> slangasek, better than nothing, but so I have to have different versions for derivatives and server
[18:49] <rpadovani> slangasek, until last release was http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download?distro='+edition+'&bits='+arch+'&release='+release
[18:50] <slangasek> rpadovani: right, if you're looking for a single consistent url we don't have that (OTOH, I don't know why we would've been trying to maintain this before for flavors?)
[18:50] <rpadovani> michagogo|cloud, I prefer to use ubuntu.com mirrors, so I haven't to check if someone has been deleted
[18:51] <rpadovani> slangasek, ok, thanks, I'll update scripts
[18:53] <michagogo|cloud> rpadovani: Oh, sorry. I didn't read your question carefully enough.
[18:54] <michagogo|cloud> For some reason I thought you were talking about a release party or something
[18:54] <rpadovani> np :-)
[18:55] <slangasek> zul, jamespage: how did the openstack 0-day get on?  it sounded like everything was getting in under the wire so not actually an SRU at all, is that correct?  Or is there more help you need from the release team today?
[18:58] <infinity> slangasek: I think they got it all.
[18:58] <slangasek> ok
[18:59] <slangasek> infinity: how about my earlier question of who in IS bdmurray should sync with on meta-release?  Is it elmo, or will there be a handoff to someone more tz-friendly?
[19:00] <deej> slangasek: Might as well tell elmo
[19:00] <slangasek> ok
[19:07] <jamespage> slangasek, its all in
[19:08] <slangasek> jamespage: great :)
[19:08] <jamespage> thankyou release team for pushing the updates in so late
[19:08] <jamespage> (and apologies for keystone)
[19:18] <Sk1d> on lubuntu do-release-upgrade does not offer you to upgrade :/
[19:22] <infinity> Sk1d: Not yet.  We're fixing some infrastructure issues before we flip that switch.
[19:22] <Sk1d> thx
[19:23] <Sk1d> infinity: is there a roughe ETA?
[19:29] <infinity> Sk1d: Not just yet.  The archive mirrors are somewhat flattened right now, and we're trying to avoid making it worse.  But soonish.
[19:29] <infinity> Sk1d: There's a reason the release announce said that automatic upgrade would happen "shortly" not "immediately".
[19:31] <Pici> Is there a problem with telling our users in #ubuntu to use the -d switch?
[19:33] <bdmurray> Pici: well it would use the same mirrors and would make things a bit worse
[19:33] <Pici> bdmurray: will hold off then.
[19:34] <bdmurray> Pici: additionally the upgrade process may time / fail due to the mirror not responding
[19:34] <Pici> Understood. I'd like to keep the number of systems I break today to a minimum.
[19:34] <infinity> Pici: The big problem with suggesting people use -d is that when we open 14.10, that may not quite have the results you were hoping for.
[19:35] <infinity> Pici: But yes, it would also be nice to not contribute to our issues while we're trying to fix things.  *shrug*
[19:35] <Pici> infinity: oh, I typically tell people to stay away from -d unless they know what they are doing.
[19:36] <Pici> er, I guess I deleted the words in there that make that sentence make sense... oh well.
[19:36] <infinity> It made sense to me.
[20:19] <guest1> anyone know if the upgrade option is going online tonight
[20:19] <lxgr> will running update-manager with the "-d" flag make a permanent change to my apt configuration (i.e. download 14.10 as soon as development starts)?
[20:19] <saiarcot895> lxgr: it shouldn't
[20:20] <saiarcot895> guest1: Isn't upgrade already available?
[20:20] <guest1> i'm not seeing any option when i do software update
[20:20] <Sk1d> saiarcot895: not for lubuntu
[20:20] <lxgr> saiarcot895: no: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[20:20] <guest1> i'm on 13.10 xubuntu though
[20:21] <lxgr> this seems to be the file update-manager checks to see if there is an update
[20:21] <lxgr> so i suspect (hope) that the "-d" flag only changes that to meta-release-development
[20:27] <bdmurray> lxgr: that is correct or m-r-lts-dev if you are on precise
[20:28] <bdmurray> guest1: yes it should be appearing tonight, they are just working on mirror issues
[20:49] <xnox> infinity: ccan you drop moderation on the channel and unvoice everyone?
[20:49] <Laney> moderation is off already
[20:51] <infinity> bdmurray: You going to still be around in a few hours?
[20:51] <xnox> Laney: ok, thanks.
[20:51] <bdmurray> infinity: yeah, although if it is going to be a few I'll take a break for a bit
[20:51] <knome> any reason to keep the voices?
[20:51] <infinity> bdmurray: You could also give me access to the branch...
[20:52] <infinity> knome: Nah, just too lazy to undo it all.
[20:52] <knome> infinity, oki, will get somebody to do it :)
[20:52] <bdmurray> infinity: the branch has already been updated it needs to happen on the server manually
[20:52] <infinity> bdmurray: Oh.  How's that happen?
[20:55] <knome> infinity, apparently there is an autovoice for all ubuntu members and canonical employees. i would think that could go even "normally"
[20:56] <Pici> :/
[21:00] <Laney> Wee.
[21:01] <Daviey> infinity  / bdmurray: It seems *every* release, the meta-release is forgotten to be refreshed.  I haven't checked, but is it in the release checklist?
[21:02] <infinity> Daviey: This is intentional.
[21:02] <infinity> Daviey: Not forgotten.
[21:03] <Daviey> Ah, Ok. That differs from previously then :)
[21:06] <Daviey> infinity: Also posting missing on the release blog?
[21:09] <infinity> Daviey: That blog has been oddly silent since Saucy A1...
[21:21] <ogra_> did we ever switch meta-release before .1 ?
[21:21] <ogra_> (for LTS)
[21:22] <infinity> ogra_: No, not for lts->lts, but we also haven't switched it for non-lts upgrades yet, because we're sorting some infra issues.
[21:22] <ogra_> ah
[21:45] <superm1> mythtv and mythbuntu-casper are both in proposed now; those were the two that we needed fixed for mythbuntu's last minute fiasco.   can someone with powers respin when you get a chance so we can have another look?
[21:45] <superm1> *mythbuntu-common i mean
[21:50] <Riddell> superm1: don't you have access from iso.qa site?
[21:50] <Riddell> I'm not sure how you'd make images using -proposed though
[21:50] <superm1> i thought the images are made using proposed by default
[21:51] <superm1> i don't think i have access from iso.qa site
[21:51] <Laney> No
[21:52] <Riddell> it probably needs some code changes to make that happen
[21:52] <Laney> You want to have them released to -updates
[21:53] <Riddell> doesn't that need an sru person to do?
[21:53] <superm1> oh, hmm.  well that's a bit of a catch 22 then, don't they need to be validated at installation to be released to -updates?
[21:53] <doko> Montreal release party now ...
[21:53] <superm1> but to validate at installation they should be on the CD
[21:53] <stgraber> doko: oh yeah, I need to pack my things and head there too, see you in a bit
[21:54] <Laney> The release team sometimes does them around release day for issues like this
[21:54] <Laney> we did some for touch earlier on
[22:13] <xnox> superm1: we have ability to spin daily image with -proposed pocket enabled.
[22:14] <superm1> ah i thought so
[22:14] <xnox> superm1: or one can stop ubiquity, add/refresh -proposed pocket, install with proposed enabled.
[22:14] <xnox> superm1: depending if it's live package or pool problem.
[22:14] <superm1> that works for one of the uploads, but the other is a live package problem
[22:14] <superm1> i actually already verified the fix for the mythbuntu-common one by doing that
[22:14] <superm1> but the mythweb one requires a new livefs
[22:15] <Laney> You might get other random stuff if you build with proposed
[22:16] <xnox> Laney: true, thus we will not release the image built with proposed, just use it for testing. Then publish to updates. Then rebuild iso with -updates only. Then retest. And then finally do mythbuntu release..... Maybe this is too elaborate.
[22:16] <superm1> the fixes are both very small things
[22:16] <superm1> i guess whatever you guys think is the best approach here, i'll validate
[22:17] <xnox> superm1: which packages  / bug # is it? and are they all in -proposed? i might be able to reconstruct the image with just those locally and test.
[22:18] <Laney> You could apply the diff for the mythbuntu-common thing yourself
[22:18] <superm1> xnox: yes they're both in proposed.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/1309084 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-meta/+bug/1309119
[22:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1309084 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "Mythbuntu installer crashes when installing frontend only" [Medium,Confirmed]
[22:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1309119 in mythbuntu-common (Ubuntu Trusty) "nvidia driver installation crashes mythbuntu installer" [Critical,Fix committed]
[22:20] <Laney> (without needing to rebuild I mean)
[22:20] <Laney> (since it's python)
[22:20] <superm1> yeah that's the one i was able to validate
[22:20] <xnox> Laney: yeap. I'll try to validate both tomorrow. tired today and falling asleep... didn't sleep enough all week.
[22:20] <superm1> the other one i can validate just modifying the postrm  after it's copied over but before it runs the postrm and i can verify that works too
[22:21] <superm1> if that's enough validation
[22:21] <Laney> The other one is more obviously right
[22:21] <Laney> Someone else can make the call though as I'm also off to bed
[22:21] <superm1> thanks guys
[22:21] <Laney> (release them to updates, respin iso)
[22:22] <Laney> see ya
[22:39] <infinity> superm1: Released both of those.
[22:44] <superm1> cool thanks
[22:46] <bdmurray> slangasek: how do you feel about an early release of whoopsie / whoopsie-daisy fixing bug 1306175 in S and P?
[22:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1306175 in whoopsie (Ubuntu Saucy) "whoopsie should not send some data to daisy" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1306175
[23:15] <infinity> bdmurray: Alright, elmo's given the green light to flip the switch.
[23:19] <bdmurray> infinity: got it, do you have an opinion on that whoopsie SRU for S and P?
[23:24] <bdmurray> infinity: meta-release done
[23:28] <infinity> superm1: If I spin you another set right now, will you test 'em soonish?
[23:28] <superm1> infinity: yep i can do it tonight
[23:28] <infinity> superm1: I can release them in the UK morning if I fall asleep. :P
[23:28] <superm1> that would be awesome
[23:28] <infinity> superm1: Spinning now.
[23:30] <superm1> thanks
[23:49] <teward> with the 14.04 release, has 12.10 officially EOL'd?
[23:54] <infinity> superm1: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/20140417/
[23:55] <tgm4883> infinity, is that the new spin?
[23:55] <infinity> superm1: Let me know if/when they look good, and we'll jimmy them into place and call it done.
[23:55] <tgm4883> I'll test them now
[23:55] <tgm4883> superm1, you'll still need to test on hardware if you can though. I can do it later when I get home from work on my ION box
[23:56] <infinity> I won't be around to release those for you for ~8h or so, probably.
[23:57] <tgm4883> infinity, so we've got plenty of time to test then ;)
[23:58] <tgm4883> oh I've been unvoiced :/
[23:58] <infinity> tgm4883: We removed moderation from the channel.
[23:58] <superm1> tgm4883: can you check the mythweb thing in VM
[23:58] <tgm4883> superm1, yea doing it now
[23:59] <knome> tgm4883, you can regain the voice by cycling the channel though :P
[23:59] <superm1> I'll try the nvidia on hw
[23:59] <tgm4883> infinity, ah yea, just thought I was talking to myself. Testing now :)