[00:17] rickspencer3: ^^ did you find a solution to that? === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:49] Is it me, or browser started to render pages strangely? I think the old way was much better. [01:14] mhall119, yes, I had to delete and readd my U1 account === kInOzAwA_ is now known as kInOzAwA [01:23] doflah: ^^ [01:24] is there a known cause or is it worth me debugging a little bit? [01:25] don't know that much, sorry [01:26] doflah, there is a known cause, and I believe it is fixed or the fix is in flight [01:26] aiui there is a line of code that crashes when there is not a valid U1 account rather than doing something sensible [01:27] oh, hey, that works [01:27] thanks! [01:27] doflah, no worries :) === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [02:30] hello? [02:32] !question [02:32] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [02:36] Can I do this without an id: ? [02:36] Button{id: zero; width: 40; text: "0"; onClicked: textArea.insert(0, zero.text) } [02:46] nevermind; this.text... [02:46] I thought I tried that :P [03:56] Hi all. If I bought a Meizu MX3 now, would it be possible to install an image of Ubuntu at a later stage? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [04:05] smulverine: nobody knows. [04:08] smulverine, anything is "Possible" [04:09] Aki-Thinkpad: thanks, but thing is: my current phone is falling to bits. [04:10] smulverine, have you tried yelling at it? [04:10] Aki-Thinkpad: yeah sure :-) [04:10] and it isn't listening? [04:10] shucks [04:11] besides spitting on it, I don't know what else you could try [04:11] For some reason it doesn't seem to make any difference [04:11] what is this world coming too? [04:11] Anyways, i would suggest trying openmoko [04:11] Anyway, I'm in the market for a new phone [04:11] Egg shaped phones are the future [04:12] Scrambled or fried? [04:13] devilled [04:13] The future looks awesome [04:13] I hear they will be able to make phonecalls eventually [04:14] ubuntu-touch will not be able to compete [04:14] Who in his right mind wants to make phonecalls? [04:17] ikr? [04:17] smulverine: There's no guarantee that the hardware in the phone released with Ubuntu Touch will be identical to the current MX3; indeed, I seem to recall people saying that the demo models looked like a new revision? [04:19] RAOF, Well Canonical has its own design... I would imagine they are still trying to pitch it to people [04:23] RAOF: specs of that device really look okay. I can get one here with 32G for about 3000 HKD, which is tempting. [04:23] Since I want to get an Ubuntu phone at some stage anyway [04:25] But it would be silly to get an MX3 and not being able to re-flash it to Ubuntu Touch when it is more or less ready for market [04:26] Yes; and you can't guarantee that the MX3 you buy now will have the same hardware as the MX3 you will later be able to buy with Ubuntu Touch installed, so if you buy one now there's no guarantee it'll be Touchable (barring community ports) [04:26] I see. Thanks :-) Guess I'm just gonna get a cheap POS in the meantime then. === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [05:17] Is a new build coming out today? [05:18] Launch time!! === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [06:16] trying to flash latest stable ( build 101) but ubuntu-device-flash --wipe --bootstrap picks up the build 10, does any one know what I am missing? Until yesterday it was picking up the right build. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:20] ah it seems stable channel on server contains build 10 as the latest. [06:21] You probably want the trusty channel? [06:25] RAOF, No, I am looking to flash stable (saucy) image to test upgrade to devel (trusty) [06:26] Oh. [06:26] * RAOF wonders if we actually test that :) [06:46] good morning [07:01] i wonder if update is working [07:17] dholbach: ready for a new release? :) === fmasi is now known as Guest98598 [07:20] hey nhaines - yeah :-D [07:23] I'm excited for the new Ubuntu website. I assume the daily images from yesterday are probably unchanged. :D [07:23] But I do have virtual servers that will be very nice with 14.04 images. :) [07:33] Hello [07:33] vars: hello! [07:33] Great thanks nhaines [07:34] I have a question about the ubuntu phone or touch [07:34] !question [07:34] When it will be released like funcional? [07:34] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [07:34] vars: it's been out since October 13.10. [07:35] Phones will be available for sale online this year. Probably during Autumn. [07:35] That's is the answer to the question. Thanks [07:36] I can't wait! [07:36] It's looking pretty good. :) [07:37] Indeed, apple will get kicked hehe because this is way more powerful than theirs [07:38] It will take a few more apps to get to that point, but it is very, very promising. [07:39] I saw somewhere that two Chinese companies are working on the phones [07:41] Meizu is. The other company we know about, BQ, is Spanish. [07:42] Oh i thought BQ were Chinese as well. Meizu looks really promising [07:45] It's a shame that most of the phones are being ported the cellular radio is not working except for the nexus line 4 7 and galaxy. I was hoping to take advantage of my gt-i9300 [07:47] Anyway I out for now 4am and tomorrow is other day to work and keep it up. Thanks for the info, really appreciate it === Guest98598 is now known as fmasi [08:23] hey will ubuntu touch be using f2fs by any chance? === popey_ is now known as popey [08:30] Morning all [08:32] davmor2: morning! [08:32] Aki-Thinkpad: Ubuntu uses ext4 on phones I believe. [08:38] nhaines, doesnt surprise me. ext4 has been surprisingly good [08:43] Aki-Thinkpad: it's a good start. :) [08:46] nhaines, Doesn't android use fat32 or something? [08:46] Aki-Thinkpad: only for external SD cards. [08:47] nhaines, oh yah that's right. of course :P [09:44] I cannot flash my device anymore [09:45] t1mp, try yelling at it [09:45] t1mp, did you brick it? [09:45] I'm getting this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7266842/ [09:45] Aki-Thinkpad: no I didn't. I see the google logo all the time on the screen, and I can adb into the device [09:45] I can reboot it, but while rebooting and after, the google logo stays [09:45] it is a mako device [09:46] what do you mean, the google logo stays? [09:46] Aki-Thinkpad: when you boot the device normally for a short time it shows a google logo [09:46] that's what it always shows now [09:46] t1mp, can you get to the bootloader? [09:47] whois Aki-Thinkpad [09:47] lol [09:47] heh [09:47] :) [09:47] let me try [09:48] t1mp, ah [09:50] t1mp, i am far from expert, but it this just seems like a case of missing fileage [09:50] nope, I cannot get into the bootloader [09:51] t1mp, you were able to before? [09:51] t1mp, how about you do what it asks for ;) [09:51] (open another terminal and "adb reboot bootloader") [09:52] ogra_: you make it sound so easy :) [09:52] haha [09:52] thanks, that works. re-flashing now :) [09:53] t1mp, I remember when I first gave my hand at all this business... Decided waiting for BQ and Meizu was better :P [10:00] popey: ping [10:01] tsdgeos: yo [10:01] popey: that qmlscene crash you have? how do i reproduce it? [10:01] which? [10:02] the one with the bar? [10:02] popey: the one in ubuntu-calendar-app [10:02] sorry, are we talking about a bug? [10:03] i have a lot of crashes around the place, dunno which one you mean ☻ [10:03] popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/CalManagement/+merge/213355 [10:04] popey: we are talking about an email i've been cc'ed to [10:05] ah that one. [10:05] sorry, sent that mail at 2am [10:05] so the fail is happening on jenkins infra. [10:06] 91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/2150/testReport/calendar_app.tests.test_yearview/TestYearView/test_selecting_a_month_switch_to_month_view_with_mouse_/ === shuduo_ is now known as shuduo [10:06] if you follow the "failed" links from the bottom of that merge [10:06] ok, yes, clicking on week crashes [10:06] * tsdgeos has a huge dejavu [10:06] The "looks like qmlscene crashed" was a comment from fginther last night [10:06] heh [10:06] i already fixed this [10:07] jono mentioned on his device he had the app crash clicking week view too [10:07] but I couldn't reproduce it on my device [10:07] crashes on desktop [10:07] and he didnt mention it again.. seems intermittent [10:07] right, those AP tests are on desktop. [10:08] and yeah, if it crashes during tests we can't land fixes, so a priority for me. [10:08] well qmlscene crashing is bad for everyone [10:08] Indeed. [10:09] * tsdgeos tries to remember what is the crash bug he fixed in ubuntu-calendar-app [10:10] so it was https://codereview.qt-project.org/#patch,all_unified,81454,3 [10:10] let me see if we distropatched that or not [10:11] no we have not [10:11] that's weird [10:11] ah yes, we do have it [10:12] so then it's not that [10:12] Can I use ubuntu touch alongside with android? [10:14] omidh: maybe, on a development phone. Not on an official phone. Which don't exist yet. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [10:49] Mirv: you there? [10:59] popey: so it seems an upstream qtpim bug to me, my analisis brought me to do https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,83696 [10:59] let's see what upstream say [11:01] ok [11:12] didrocks, another promoted image? [11:12] \o/ [11:13] rickspencer3: the one from yesterday? Yeah ;) we just got #302 built, which is the candidate to go to the stable channel [11:13] nice [11:13] rickspencer3: like, the image appeared 3 minutes ago :) [11:13] testing the hell out of it as we speak [11:13] wow [11:13] oxide/webapps fixes + some apps crashing which get unity8 to shut down [11:13] didrocks, if I update my tablet that is on devel-proposed I'll get it? [11:14] rickspencer3: yeah, please do! [11:14] the more testing, the best [11:14] ok [11:14] here we go [11:15] thanks, keep us posted if anything! [11:15] I love how updates are so small [11:15] image-based-updates are *so* cool [11:15] indeed, way better than download 400MB ;) [11:16] stgraber, you guys really outdid yourselves with the image-based-updates, an amazing invention [11:17] didrocks, any particular areas you want me to look at other than web apps? [11:18] rickspencer3: try to launch/close apps (click, webapps, qml/native) [11:18] it's what was randomly getting unity8 to go down [11:18] * rickspencer3 installs g+ app [11:18] didrocks, ok [11:18] thanks ;) [11:24] didrocks, so far I am having no issues launching apps from the apps scope and closing them, is there something I should be doing to stress it? [11:24] open moar apps [11:24] :) [11:24] rickspencer3: what ogra told, it was pretty random ;) [11:24] rickspencer3: we did the same as well with the package [11:24] (and do the same as we speak) [11:25] ogra_, like open a whole bunch of apps? [11:25] nothing as of now [11:25] yeah [11:25] rickspencer3: well, don't hit the oom killer [11:25] remember that we are not robust against it yet [11:25] well, the apps do [11:25] didrocks, don't have to remind me :) [11:25] better to warn than worry :p [11:25] and they should [11:26] (they need to learn to restart a lot faster when they hit OOM though ... ) [11:26] didrocks, oh, I meant I've run into issue here and there when I have too many apps open [11:26] ogra_, yeah, we have a lot of work to do with that part of the app lifecycle [11:26] yep [11:26] oe of the criticsl remaining bits [11:26] *one [11:27] * ogra_ needs a typing course [11:27] :) [11:27] ogra_: expense it! :) [11:27] * ogra_ is pleased to see 300+ people in #ubuntu-release-party [11:28] we surely had lots and lots more in the past, but 300 is a good amount at least ... i was worried there would be a lot less [11:28] ogra_, didrocks I opened 7 apps [11:28] I used the right edge to switch between them [11:28] I closed them all [11:28] no issues [11:28] I ran g+ web app [11:28] awesome [11:28] I used external links [11:28] no issues [11:28] \o/ [11:29] yay [11:29] "\o/"*302 actually ;) [11:29] * ogra_ loves how usable everything got this cycle [11:29] I can't wait for unity rotation so I can use my Nexus 7 fully [11:29] * didrocks didn't spot anything in a quick check of "sensible" areas :) [11:29] side stage and all [11:30] s/sensible/sensitive/ [11:30] now a functional pdf reader and trojita being finished are the two last blockers for me to fully switch [11:30] ogra_: we have v8! use a js pdf reader ;) [11:30] hmm, i coud ltry that ... [11:30] or write an app :) [11:31] which reminds me ... [11:31] ogra_, in the meantime, you could use calibre to export your pdf as epub, and read it in the ebook ready [11:31] * ogra_ has 15 new apps to uplaod to the store today [11:31] rickspencer3, except that i want some features ... like cutting off edges, night mode ... being able to block rotation === vying is now known as Guest8467 [11:31] didrocks, so, from my very limited usage of the my tablet this morning, the current devel-proposed image looks good [11:32] ogra_, you better cracking writing that app! [11:32] lol [11:32] rickspencer3: yeah, same here, confirming what we got on #301 + installing the packages while they were getting published [11:32] rickspencer3, over easter :) [11:32] rickspencer3: he needs typing course first! ;) [11:32] ogra_, lol [11:32] i dont get what happened to our document viewer app [11:32] now we need to get those scopes performance tweaks [11:33] i thought it was ready and just waiting for the content-hub [11:33] ogra_, could be [11:33] wow, what a cycle [11:33] yeah [11:33] already got one scope perf tweak in #301. It's a little bit better [11:33] cant wait to see 14.10 :) [11:33] 14.04 LTS, Tablet 1.0, so much phone improvement [11:33] by then it should be perfect [11:36] is ubuntu touch not being worked on for nexus 7 anymore? [11:36] dlan, for the 2013 model only [11:36] (was announced 4 months ago) [11:38] I have not even been touching linux in... months :( [11:38] but i just bought the 2nd gen nexus 7 ;) and android is limited [11:39] well, the second gen works pretty well here [11:39] are you running with it now? === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:08] bros, i saw some news about relise date of ubuntu touch on 17.04's is it lie? I'dont get it =) [12:09] * ogra_ is happinly using ubuntu touch here [12:09] and there will be a release today [12:09] omg omg =) thanks, we're waiting =) [12:09] phones with ubuntu preinstalled will be around in the second half of the year [12:10] (note that the release today is still not fully feature complete ... but it already works well as a daily driver) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:11] Nope, im mostly worrying about nexus devices =) and thanks for answer one more time! [12:13] hi! which branch should I use for my port? is 4.4.2 only for the nexus5? [12:13] no, its for all supported devices [12:13] and do I use cm-11.0 repos wth it? [12:14] or why is it aosp only? [12:14] that branch is aosp only i think [12:14] yes [12:14] if you got a cm branch it might need extra steps to port it [12:15] wont there be a cm based 4.4.2 branch? [12:15] nope [12:16] okay, thank you [12:16] (well, not sure, probably rsalveti wants to update the old cm branch at some point in his spare time) [12:16] but there are no official plans for it atm [12:16] is there any up to date documentation on the current status? [12:17] is the porting guide still relevant? [12:17] semi relevant ... [12:17] urgently needs to be updated [12:22] looking forward to it [12:34] bregma, really sorry for the indicator fail... I completely agree with you the process is/was broken [12:38] Saviq, all it means is we need to fix our processes in the next cycle and fail better next time [12:38] bregma, indeed [12:38] bregma, fwiw, fix is in silo 001 if you could verify [12:39] brb [12:39] hopefully my internets will stay up long enough today... [12:48] Who's in charge of the Ubuntu Touch section of the 14.04 LTS release notes? I have a formatting suggstion. [12:52] nhaines, perhaps bregma knows [12:53] bregma: in the "What's new?" section, "Tablet and Phone form factors supported" is bold and concatenated with the feature blurb, but it should probably be regular, all caps, and on its own line. [12:53] ogra_: well so much for that, eh? :) [12:54] :) [12:54] I can happily fix it, but don't want to step on toes while everyone's rushing about. [12:54] nhaines: i dont think its a problem fixing formatting issues [12:55] nhaines, make sure to coordinate in #ubuntu-release, then you should be fine [12:57] Thanks guys. All fixed now. === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:59] It was a markup issue anyway, so I just swapped some ''s and ='s and all set. :) [13:04] if I have an error that says: linux/msm_mdp.h: no such file or dir, but I looked and there is a file in the kernel includes; what should I do? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:09] tsdgeos: could you pop in #ubuntu-touch-meeting pls? === jhodapp|afk is now known as jhodapp [13:32] Saviq, despite the conspiracy of my internet provider, I have verified your fix [13:32] bregma, great, it's transitioning to release pocket already I believe [13:32] Saviq, I think we need to make it a thing this cycle to try to merge the updastart jobs for desktop and phablet maybe [13:32] bregma, definitely [13:33] bregma, the sessions, too, really [13:33] bregma, there should be no diff between desktop and phone unity8 on Mir sessions [13:33] ideally, that is [13:33] there's a lot of cruft required for the desktop still, but that is a wrinkle that needs to be ironed out [13:34] much of it to do with autodetection of devices or back ends === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [14:13] pmcgowan, so, my phone is "frozen" [14:13] I adb shelled in and ran top [14:13] dialer app is > 100% cpu utilization [14:13] ans see apport :) [14:13] thoughts? [14:13] oh [14:13] ogra_, not apport this time :) [14:13] at least not yet :) [14:13] yeah, it might take over [14:14] ogra_, should I just reboot, or is there something I can do to help debug? [14:14] I need to run authenticator so I can get into my email :) [14:15] i guess just reboot and see if it happens again [14:15] k [14:15] I hope that wasn't 'cause I was receiving a call [14:16] * ogra_ too [14:20] ogra_, could it be because I received a call while my screen was blanked? [14:21] (though I have received other calls and texts without problem recently) [14:21] rickspencer3, i think that works because it forcefully wakes up the screen [14:21] hmmm [14:24] guess it'd be nice to get the output of strace and gdb bt when you get that 100% loop consumption [14:24] otherwise hard to tell what is wrong, if we don't have a crash file [14:31] tsdgeos: my qtpim build barfed but looks like it built okay? https://launchpad.net/~popey/+archive/qtpim/+build/5916407 [14:32] rsalveti, btw, my music plays on if i blank the screen and play from a webapp ... i dont think it should, should it ? [14:32] popey: i'm far from a launchpad expert tbh :D [14:32] heh [14:33] Welcome to my world. [14:34] :D [14:35] popey: but yes it seems it built fine, no idea where one can find the debs thought [14:36] oh, failed to upload [14:36] not failed to build [14:36] yeah [14:36] so probably release releated stuff ate bandwidth or some other handwavy reason [14:36] ogra_: it shouldn't [14:36] ogra_: which website? [14:36] I wont chase that, I'll wait till the release is out of the way and retry, thanks [14:37] rsalveti, install laut.fm ... tap play .. let the screen suspend ... it stutters a bit but plays on [14:37] rsalveti, i assume the suid root processes somehow circumvent the block [14:37] maybe the sigstop is not getting to the app [14:37] which is kind of a big issue [14:37] it gets to the app but not the renderer i guess [14:38] jdstrand, chrisccoulson ^^^ [14:40] popey, nik90 thx for your help yday! [14:40] np [14:40] +whoever else helped [14:41] olli: np thnx for the MPs [14:41] nik90, thx for giving me a bzr crash course ;) [14:41] olli: hehe [14:42] ogra_, it works fine as long as the SIGSTOP is sent to the process group [14:42] chright, thats not working === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:54] bregma, I was wondering... we have respawn in the unity8 jobs, what's the plan for stopping the session? should we just "initctl stop" on exit? [14:54] * Saviq would rather have a way to say "initctl no-respawn" [14:54] 'cause stop would send SIGTERM to us straight away [14:56] Saviq, there's work going on to get proper session management in using, I dunno, upstart or logind or something appropriate (not my area of expertise) [14:56] I think you can make respawn happening with a 'stop on ...' condition [14:56] doesn't seem ideal though [14:56] bregma, kk [14:56] respawn *stop* happening [14:57] a respawn non-clean-exit-only would be nice [14:57] you could use a second job for that === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:58] If you're doing hacks, then 'stop on exit-unity8' and emit that when cleanly shutdown should work [14:58] just saying, maybe upstart could support this properly [14:59] http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#run-a-job-only-if-one-job-succeeds-and-another-fails [14:59] something knitted around that [15:00] why [15:00] dunno, just saying there are capablilities to do it from a second job if respawn fails [15:01] I was giving the actual way to stop respawn respawning [15:01] is ubuntu-touch 14.04 is going to released today ? [15:01] i.e. make 'stop on' become satisfied [15:02] omkar_, yes [15:06] my device is not supported for ubuntu touch but fulfills hardware specification .. so how can I install ubuntu touch in my device (my device : Celkon ML5) [15:07] you would have to do a port ... for that you need the android sources and some knowledge [15:08] where can I get that information ? === beidl_ is now known as beidl === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [15:20] ogra_: hm, laut.fm here is just blank for me [15:20] oh ? [15:21] desktop is fine though [15:21] i used it today on all three devices with 302 [15:21] let me reboot this thing [15:21] ogra_: tried via browser or webapp? [15:22] webapp [15:22] i updated all my apps (lautfm is one) last night and tested them on todays latest image [15:22] right, was opening the website using the browser directly [15:22] ah [15:23] i didnt try that, but its probably behaving the same [15:23] the store search is kind of bad [15:23] can't find anything with 'lau' [15:23] but laut works [15:23] lol [15:24] probably its just slow [15:24] ogra_: working now, there's some weird german voice here [15:24] yeah, they plkay one ad before the music stream starts [15:24] now let it blank [15:25] mandel, ping? [15:25] ogra_: lol, interesting bug [15:25] ogra_: it works fine if you get back to the app lens [15:25] it stops after a few seconds [15:25] stutters a bit and then it plays on in chunks [15:25] but if you press power when it's in foreground, it keeps working [15:25] yeah [15:25] we *definitely* need to look into lifecycle again :) [15:25] so it might be a bug in our app life cycle here [15:26] and think about cgroups too [15:26] right, but I don't think we're sending sigstop to the foreground app [15:26] we're just trying to suspend [15:26] that's why the audio is kind of broken [15:26] oh, lol [15:26] yeah [15:26] * ogra_ didnt think about that ... [15:27] so if you have someone holding a suspend blocker or such, it'll work just fine [15:27] as long you're not sending it to the background [15:27]