| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| Myrtti | czajkowski: oddly enough, Google Hangouts works just fine in Firefox, prompting the reinstallation of the plugin only on Chrome | 05:36 |
|---|---|---|
| Myrtti | works on older chromium too | 05:44 |
| mapps | ,p | 05:53 |
| mapps | morning | 05:54 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 05:57 |
| daftykins | o/ | 05:58 |
| daftykins | release day seems like an excellent day to avoid IRC | 05:59 |
| MooDoo | especially #ubuntu :p | 06:00 |
| daftykins | indeed :( | 06:00 |
| daftykins | omw. never seen it so bad | 06:00 |
| mapps | lol why | 06:01 |
| daftykins | every 5 seconds: "when's it out?!" | 06:01 |
| jussi | just don't join #ubuntu-release-party | 06:02 |
| MooDoo | no not that mad. | 06:02 |
| daftykins | nope, never gonna do that! | 06:02 |
| nigelb | I used to be in release-party for every release | 06:02 |
| nigelb | those were the days | 06:02 |
| MooDoo | I remember when I were a lad ;) | 06:03 |
| daftykins | did you run a client with joins and parts hidden? ;) | 06:03 |
| nigelb | nah, it's all part of the fun. | 06:03 |
| jussi | daftykins: I used to be there every release also, with joins/parts ON! | 06:03 |
| nigelb | "It'll all join to be parts of the fun" | 06:03 |
| nigelb | *runs* | 06:04 |
| * daftykins chases with an outdated ubuntu CD | 06:04 | |
| Myrtti | I used to be in a lot of channels. | 06:05 |
| nigelb | I used to be in 150. | 06:05 |
| * nigelb is glad he's under 40 or so channels now. | 06:05 | |
| Myrtti | I wasn't quite so hardcore | 06:05 |
| daftykins | i forget people and i'm only in 9 | 06:06 |
| nigelb | I haven't parted a few channels becaue it would break my muscle memory for other channels :\ | 06:06 |
| mapps | hm | 06:06 |
| mapps | well | 06:07 |
| mapps | that was nice | 06:07 |
| mapps | a new favourite sandwich from tesco:D | 06:07 |
| mapps | chicken, pepperoni and cheddar..yum | 06:07 |
| daftykins | O_O | 06:07 |
| daftykins | that sounds like an accident | 06:08 |
| mapps | lol | 06:08 |
| mapps | its so nice | 06:08 |
| mapps | i normally get egg and bacon.bit they didnt have it | 06:08 |
| mapps | so like OMG i had to do something different | 06:08 |
| mapps | O_o | 06:08 |
| MooDoo | mapps: O M G ;) | 06:09 |
| mapps | :D | 06:09 |
| MooDoo | Whens Ubuntu 14.04 released then ;) | 06:09 |
| * MooDoo ducks and runs | 06:09 | |
| mapps | lol | 06:10 |
| Myrtti | MooDoo: you've dropped your identification btw. | 06:10 |
| MooDoo | thanks Myrtti | 06:11 |
| MooDoo | :) | 06:11 |
| mapps | i hope jj is on | 06:11 |
| MooDoo | mapps: get out now | 06:12 |
| MooDoo | ;) | 06:12 |
| mapps | lol | 06:13 |
| mapps | you know what i mean:D | 06:13 |
| mapps | its so good | 06:13 |
| jussi | mapps: how are holiday plans going? | 06:15 |
| mapps | gah it isnt on | 06:16 |
| mapps | waiting for my friend to give me dates | 06:16 |
| mapps | keep asking but he hasnt said | 06:16 |
| mapps | :( | 06:16 |
| MooDoo | omg why did I join #ubuntu-release-party lol | 06:16 |
| mapps | LOL | 06:16 |
| mapps | that bad? | 06:16 |
| daftykins | this is MooDoo right now: @_@ | 06:16 |
| mapps | shouldve got 2 sandwiches | 06:17 |
| mapps | 1 fo when i get up | 06:17 |
| mapps | gah | 06:17 |
| mapps | next time..i wasnt sure i'd like it | 06:17 |
| daftykins | you know it's tough times when you're snacking on what was meant to be the next meal | 06:17 |
| MooDoo | daftykins: I use irssi so my channel numbers are light when there is a conversation I just don't know which one to read first lol | 06:17 |
| mapps | heh | 06:18 |
| mapps | well | 06:18 |
| mapps | going out tonight | 06:18 |
| mapps | so gotta have lotsa food first | 06:18 |
| mapps | dont wanna get too drunk..and i haveform | 06:18 |
| mapps | like every day of the last 10 years;p | 06:18 |
| daftykins | MooDoo: yeah same, i just dance across them playing 'whack-a-mole' | 06:18 |
| mapps | hopefully going Stoke v Spurs next saturday | 06:19 |
| mapps | il be cheering spurs on..in the stoke end tho | 06:19 |
| mapps | lol | 06:19 |
| jussi | mapps: good results for arsenal and liverpool last night... | 06:19 |
| mapps | yea | 06:20 |
| mapps | saw 2-2 city..i had radio on no pics:( | 06:20 |
| mapps | no pics anywhere afaik | 06:20 |
| mapps | i watched barca v real and the palace game | 06:20 |
| jussi | palace did well... | 06:20 |
| mapps | while doing #'work' | 06:20 |
| mapps | ;) | 06:20 |
| mapps | thats why ils tuggle in a normal job | 06:21 |
| mapps | im doing my job and watching the barca game..and palace and tennis | 06:21 |
| mapps | and iy still feels like im working | 06:21 |
| mapps | lol | 06:21 |
| daftykins | well, i'm gonna run away from your football talk :P later all \o | 06:22 |
| mapps | cya mate | 06:22 |
| mapps | i was watching baseball too:P | 06:22 |
| mapps | for my actual work | 06:22 |
| daftykins | i'll leave you with a fine picture of Guernsey from the air that i just happened to dig up | 06:23 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6pp5eqwwlwhyn5/IMG_20120308_180051.jpg | 06:23 |
| daftykins | nothing like seeing your entire home in one view | 06:23 |
| MooDoo | daftykins: I'm saving for a quad copter and with my go pro I'll do the same one day for my house :D lol | 06:24 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: with a proper gimbal mount? :) | 06:34 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: no can't afford that one lol going for the static mount one lol | 06:34 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: then the images will be shaky | 06:35 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: the quadcopters with proper gimbals are getting cheaper though | 06:35 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: yeah probably, I need to do a bit more research, but I'm looking at the dji phantoms. | 06:35 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: that's what the guys at tested.com were raving about | 06:36 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: http://www.tested.com/tech/460662-testing-dji-phantom-vision-quadcopter-drone/ | 06:36 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: yeah i'd love that one but can't afford it, so thinking about the phantom 2 | 06:37 |
| MartijnVdS | http://xkcd.com/941/ | 06:39 |
| MooDoo | fab lol | 06:40 |
| bashrc_ | morning all. Is it out yet? | 06:46 |
| MartijnVdS | oh is it that day? :) | 06:47 |
| === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc | ||
| bashrc | I think so | 06:47 |
| MooDoo | lol | 06:48 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | #isitoutyet? | 06:54 |
| MartijnVdS | every time you ask, it gets delayed another 5 mintues | 06:54 |
| * nigelb sets +b on TheOpenSourcerer | 06:55 | |
| nigelb | Mornin' | 06:55 |
| bashrc | when is H-hour? | 06:55 |
| * MooDoo slaps TheOpenSourcerer ;) lol | 06:58 | |
| SuperMatt | morning all | 07:14 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:14 |
| SuperMatt | happy release day | 07:15 |
| SuperMatt | jynx | 07:15 |
| diplo | :P | 07:15 |
| SuperMatt | I hope everyone is looking forward to this afternoon | 07:15 |
| SuperMatt | who's coming tonight | 07:19 |
| === SuperMatt is now known as TrustyMatt | ||
| diplo | I won't be :( | 07:21 |
| diplo | I'm looking forward to this afternoon meaning a long weekend :P | 07:21 |
| TrustyMatt | I'm in work tomorrow | 07:21 |
| TrustyMatt | because some idiot has to cover | 07:21 |
| MooDoo | TrustyMatt: yeah same for us here, but luckily it's all volunteered. | 07:22 |
| MooDoo | TrustyMatt: where you work TrustyMatt ? | 07:23 |
| TrustyMatt | where do *I* work? Rackspace! | 07:23 |
| MartijnVdS | why else would he be trusty? ;) | 07:24 |
| TrustyMatt | I thought everyone knew I worked as a racker | 07:25 |
| MartijnVdS | it's a racket | 07:26 |
| MooDoo | TrustyMatt = supermatt? | 07:26 |
| TrustyMatt | yup yup | 07:26 |
| MooDoo | TrustyMatt: that's why people are getting confused :p | 07:27 |
| TrustyMatt | I changed the name mot 7 minutes ago | 07:27 |
| TrustyMatt | *not | 07:27 |
| * MooDoo missed that lol | 07:27 | |
| TrustyMatt | I kinda figured people would quickly work it out | 07:27 |
| TrustyMatt | considering it's trusty day and all | 07:27 |
| MooDoo | TrustyMatt: ah it all clicks into place, I need more coffee :D | 07:28 |
| MooDoo | TrustyMatt: still getting kicked with heartbleed? | 07:28 |
| TrustyMatt | naw, not any more | 07:28 |
| TrustyMatt | it seems to have subsided | 07:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I bet a load of people still haven't fixed their certs though | 07:29 |
| MooDoo | hell of a lot. | 07:29 |
| MartijnVdS | because security? meh! | 07:30 |
| TrustyMatt | it's a tricky one to evaluate | 07:30 |
| MooDoo | at the end of the day for anyone that uses openssl, it's upgrade, reboot, re-issue certs. sorted lol | 07:30 |
| TrustyMatt | for my site, I'm not going to bother because it's only my details that can be compromised, but if you're an enterprise site, you gotta change yo' certs | 07:31 |
| MartijnVdS | just assume it's broken and get new software & certs. Yes it's a big hassle | 07:31 |
| MartijnVdS | re-issue of my certs was free. | 07:31 |
| TrustyMatt | yeah, fo' sure | 07:33 |
| MooDoo | yeah they should be free | 07:35 |
| TrustyMatt | they're free for rackspace customers, so I assume they're free everywhere | 07:35 |
| TrustyMatt | after all, you don't have to do all the identity stuff the second time around | 07:35 |
| MooDoo | hello JamesTait smittix | 07:39 |
| MooDoo | JamesTait: happy ubuntu release day :p | 07:39 |
| smittix | Morning! | 07:40 |
| TrustyMatt | morning guys | 07:40 |
| smittix | Feels like christmas | 07:41 |
| smittix | heh | 07:41 |
| TrustyMatt | because you're getting another free OS today? | 07:41 |
| smittix | Yeah | 07:41 |
| smittix | :D | 07:41 |
| nigelb | 30 | 07:41 |
| nigelb | gah | 07:41 |
| TrustyMatt | it'll probably be fun tomorrow when new customers start running trusty cloud servers | 07:43 |
| TrustyMatt | I'm gonna spin up a couple and migrate stuff | 07:43 |
| nigelb | Morning JamesTait, Happy Almost Weekend Day :) | 07:58 |
| JamesTait | nigelb, Almost Holiday Day for me. ;) | 07:59 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:05 |
| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | 08:05 |
| lubotu3 | Not yet! It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 08:05 |
| bashrc | when is H-hour? | 08:06 |
| bigcalm | That's anybody's guess | 08:06 |
| bashrc | aha | 08:07 |
| bigcalm | What is H-hour? :) | 08:07 |
| nigelb | JamesTait: heh | 08:09 |
| bashrc | the time of the release | 08:10 |
| bigcalm | Ah, not happy hour then | 08:10 |
| bashrc | or... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-hour_%28D-day%29 | 08:10 |
| bigcalm | 'blink' was just updated on my workstation | 08:16 |
| bigcalm | All I could think of was: don't | 08:16 |
| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| codecowboy | What do people use for building a simple network topology diagram? I want a simple tool to create a diagram of our various servers for new starters | 08:29 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:30 |
| codecowboy | morning | 08:30 |
| MartijnVdS | codecowboy: I use inkscape | 08:30 |
| codecowboy | MartijnVdS does it have a library of symbols with servers etc? | 08:30 |
| MartijnVdS | codecowboy: I think it has a few, and you can get more from openclipart | 08:30 |
| codecowboy | I think I used gliffy before and just found draw.io | 08:31 |
| MartijnVdS | http://asciiflow.com/ :P | 08:31 |
| MartijnVdS | codecowboy: you could use "dot" (graphviz) if you're feeling adventurous ;) | 08:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | codecowboy: libreoffice draw does some visio like connector stuff. | 08:31 |
| codecowboy | MartijnVdS thanks. phpdocumentor uses that to make the class diagrams I think | 08:32 |
| codecowboy | TheOpenSourcerer thanks | 08:32 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:34 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: morning | 08:34 |
| MooDoo | AlanBell: meeting go ok when I left last night? | 08:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lo czajkowski | 08:34 |
| czajkowski | how's everyone today? | 08:35 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | ticketyboo :-D | 08:35 |
| AlanBell | MooDoo: yeah, but not enough people for decision making, will do that today with luck | 08:35 |
| czajkowski | 210 in my inbox | 08:35 |
| czajkowski | :( | 08:35 |
| czajkowski | not going to be a fun day at all | 08:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | pah - lightweight. | 08:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I had ~700 emails to deal with yesterday | 08:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Only went away for 10 days :-( | 08:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And was not off-grid entirely | 08:36 |
| bashrc | is it all spam? | 08:38 |
| MartijnVdS | is it all business opportunities? | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | bashrc: nope | 08:38 |
| czajkowski | all work | 08:39 |
| czajkowski | 4 day weekend \o/ | 08:39 |
| bashrc | hah. that's why people should use irc more at work rather than email | 08:39 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | This weekend I will mostly building my Polytunnel | 08:39 |
| popey | Mmorning | 08:39 |
| popey | -m | 08:39 |
| bashrc | for ephemeral stuff just use irc | 08:39 |
| bigcalm | codecowboy: try dia | 08:41 |
| bashrc | this weekend I'll install 14.04 | 08:41 |
| bigcalm | Why wait? :D | 08:42 |
| czajkowski | no release party :( | 08:47 |
| TrustyMatt | nothing confirmed yet, no, but that doesn't mean there won't be something | 08:47 |
| czajkowski | grr fox is back >:( | 08:48 |
| * JamesTait has been running Trusty for 2 months today. \o/ | 08:48 | |
| JamesTait | czajkowski, what does the fox say? | 08:49 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | nom nom. | 08:49 |
| JamesTait | Eating the chickens? :( | 08:49 |
| czajkowski | been tormenting them this morning | 08:49 |
| czajkowski | put it's face up against the run and wound up one of the hens | 08:50 |
| czajkowski | warm weather I guess bringing them out | 08:50 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Here's a question... I want to do some [ahem] kiddy content filtering at home. I have a small server with 2 nics. Am thinking Squid/Dans Guardian. I can't find any decent howtos on the interwebs that aren't either a) really old, or b) not what I need. What do other peeps do? | 08:52 |
| MartijnVdS | not have kids :P | 08:52 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Bit late for that. | 08:52 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | My router (BT Homehub) has the dns hardcoded so I can't even just use OpenDNS | 08:53 |
| MooDoo | TheOpenSourcerer: opendns? | 08:53 |
| MooDoo | ah sorry lol | 08:53 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | The solution needs to cater for PCs, ipods, pads etc... | 08:54 |
| MartijnVdS | Don't UK ISPs have kiddie filters anyway? | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | not quite yet | 08:54 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Yes, but I do not have control then. | 08:54 |
| MooDoo | I think i might have to start using opendns. | 08:55 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:00 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon | 09:00 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:00 |
| dwatkins | TheOpenSourcerer: can you disable the router's DHCP server and run your own internally that gives out the OpenDNS family-friendly one? | 09:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | dwatkins: This might be a possibility yes. | 09:01 |
| dwatkins | I have a Linksys router with the Tomato firmware as my DHCP server and secondary wifi router, works well. | 09:02 |
| dwatkins | You can set the SSID and wifi password the same on both, and have devices seamlessly move between them. | 09:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | So then on my little server, should I route or bridge between eth0 and eth1 | 09:02 |
| dwatkins | (my flat has thick walls) | 09:02 |
| dwatkins | you could bridge, that way everything would be on the same network - routing would result in a separate subnet, and re-encapsulation (therefore probably lower efficiency) | 09:03 |
| MartijnVdS | I have a TP-Link 4300 router connected to my fibre | 09:07 |
| MartijnVdS | it does the PPPoE and some VLAN stuff | 09:07 |
| MartijnVdS | yay openwrt ;) | 09:07 |
| dwatkins | I use the ISP-provided Netgear router as the internet-facing device, but it just routes and forwards a couple ports | 09:08 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/news/cio-uk-tax-authority-open-source-massively-cost-effective | 09:27 |
| dwatkins | AlanBell recently linked to an article about the Chromebook becoming more and more popular, too: http://www.zdnet.com/linux-is-about-to-take-over-the-desktop-but-not-like-you-think-it-will-7000028417/ | 09:47 |
| dwatkins | Since so many tools are web-based, I can see this being more likely for a lot of people who don't rely on proprietary software. | 09:48 |
| popey | uh | 09:55 |
| popey | the chromebook is almost entirely proprietary software | 09:55 |
| popey | i think maybe you mean "windows software" ☻ | 09:55 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: is it that much different from Chromium OS? | 09:55 |
| popey | i was more alluding to the webservices being proprietary | 09:56 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, yes. they are. Unless you run your own. | 09:56 |
| popey | the box itself is pretty useless without google and 3rd party apps | 09:56 |
| popey | indeed | 09:56 |
| AlanBell | I like the chromebook, I think it is for people who don't rely on local software | 10:02 |
| AlanBell | the thing is pretty locked down black box proprietary though | 10:03 |
| dwatkins | oh, I thought the Chromebook was mostly a browser. | 10:04 |
| AlanBell | it is | 10:04 |
| AlanBell | but the user accounts are googley and it is more integrated with googley cloud stuff than anything else | 10:05 |
| AlanBell | but, if what you want is a decent webkit browser that just works and nothing else at all matters ever, then it is OK | 10:05 |
| AlanBell | also, they have flash on ARM which basically works fine | 10:06 |
| dwatkins | I'm still puzzled as to why the OLPC failed. That would have been a really nice laptop for all sorts of reasons. | 10:07 |
| AlanBell | it was too slow, bit too fiddly and the software never got good | 10:15 |
| AlanBell | but it didn't entirely fail | 10:15 |
| dwatkins | ah ok | 10:15 |
| dwatkins | it sounded pretty neat in theory | 10:16 |
| TrustyMatt | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10157166_10153998139085464_1615453754993821740_n.jpg finally got my racker flag! | 10:17 |
| === TrustyMatt is now known as SuperTrustyRacke | ||
| SuperTrustyRacke | dammit | 10:23 |
| === SuperTrustyRacke is now known as SuperTrustyMatt | ||
| SuperTrustyMatt | that'll do | 10:24 |
| bigcalm | I keep reading it as SuperRusty | 10:24 |
| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | 10:24 |
| lubotu3 | No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 10:24 |
| MooDoo | bigcalm: it's easy enough to get the lastest and greatest, just type yum upgrade and the shell :p | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 10:31 |
| dwatkins | The program 'yum' is currently not installed.... (yeah, I'm running Ubuntu, not Fedora ;) ) | 10:32 |
| popey | "greatest" | 10:33 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | popey: can you be the man that decides what pub we go to? | 10:35 |
| popey | Nope. I am not in london. | 10:35 |
| popey | So, let the community decide! | 10:35 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | darning | 10:35 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | *darnit | 10:35 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | that was the weirdest typo | 10:36 |
| MooDoo | popey: i was teasing obviously :) | 10:36 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | I could understand if I was on a phone... | 10:36 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: try sudo apt-get install yum please, pretty please, it's a new command ;) | 10:36 |
| scotth-12 | what time is release | 10:37 |
| popey | we dont specify a time | 10:38 |
| popey | never have | 10:38 |
| jussi | my day just got exponentially better | 10:38 |
| popey | except 10/10 | 10:38 |
| popey | jussi: cake? | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | It's whenever you think it isn't | 10:38 |
| jussi | popey: the cake is a lie, you should know that | 10:38 |
| popey | true | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | A tasty lie | 10:38 |
| jussi | but no, I just "acquired" a bounty. Life is good. | 10:39 |
| bigcalm | A taste of paradise eh? | 10:39 |
| popey | mmmm coconut | 10:40 |
| jussi | a bounty, plus a bottle of "sima" (mead, non alcoholic). | 10:40 |
| bigcalm | Who did you pinch them off? | 10:43 |
| jussi | bigcalm: I exchanged them! | 10:43 |
| jussi | for some shiny things... | 10:43 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| scotth-12 | set my update to display immediately | 10:45 |
| popey | scotth-12: what release are you on at the moment? | 10:46 |
| scotth-12 | 13.04 | 10:47 |
| popey | I'd upgrade now, before the rush later ☻ | 10:47 |
| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | 10:48 |
| lubotu3 | No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | Boo | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | Compressing 16gb mysql dump takes its time and is quite boring | 10:49 |
| JamesTait | It's funny, because there's a big banner on www.ubuntu.com touting "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, with OpenStack", but 14.04 isn't available yet. :) | 10:50 |
| JamesTait | The press release says 14.04 "is the platform for scale" and "is Ubuntu's third LTS release", but then goes on to say it "will be released on 17th April 2014". | 10:52 |
| jussi | JamesTait: always the same... | 10:52 |
| JamesTait | Slightly inconsistent. | 10:52 |
| jussi | every release, a few hours before | 10:52 |
| bashrc | I don't want scale | 10:53 |
| * jussi scales bashrc | 10:53 | |
| bashrc | :( | 10:53 |
| JamesTait | bashrc, me neither, it stops my kettle from working and gets in my tea. | 10:53 |
| bashrc | its hard to remove | 10:53 |
| scotth-12 | i got 3 computers to do and 6 laptop to do so going to download iso to 2 dvd and install them like that instead of using network boot | 10:55 |
| Dave2 | Third LTS? 5th, surely. | 10:56 |
| popey | 4th? | 10:57 |
| popey | 6.06 was the first | 10:57 |
| Dave2 | oh, LTS CLOUD | 10:57 |
| popey | 6, 8, 10, 12, 14 | 10:57 |
| popey | oh, i cant count | 10:57 |
| Dave2 | hah | 10:57 |
| dwatkins | I used to have problems with scale until I moved to Scotland. | 11:02 |
| scotth-12 | i wonder if they have sorted out the amd crystal control center out | 11:02 |
| scotth-12 | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=14.04.4&architecture=amd64 | 11:09 |
| shauno | 04.4 ? | 11:11 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | still beta 2 http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ | 11:12 |
| scotth-12 | no just got the link ready | 11:13 |
| scotth-12 | for clicking | 11:13 |
| bigcalm | Is there any way to estimate the size for a compressed file base upon its content type? | 11:13 |
| awilkins | Text : about 90% | 11:14 |
| awilkins | Video : about 0% | 11:14 |
| awilkins | (size savings) | 11:14 |
| scotth-12 | this link i reccon it going to be http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.0/ubuntu-14.04.0-desktop-amd64.iso | 11:15 |
| davmor2 | awilkins: videos will compress by about 5%-20% depending on format | 11:15 |
| awilkins | !isitoutyet | 11:15 |
| lubotu3 | No awilkins, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 11:15 |
| bigcalm | This is a 15.4GB mysql dump. The compressed file is currently 128MB and rising | 11:16 |
| bigcalm | At 90%, that might mean a 1.54GB file? | 11:17 |
| scotth-12 | bigcalm what you looking at to see that | 11:17 |
| bigcalm | ls -l | 11:18 |
| bigcalm | Well, -lh | 11:18 |
| scotth-12 | kl | 11:19 |
| bigcalm | kl? | 11:21 |
| awilkins | bigcalm, Depends on the homogeneity of the data | 11:22 |
| awilkins | bigcalm, 10% is for English text, executable files, etc | 11:22 |
| awilkins | May squish smaller if it's pretty homogenous | 11:22 |
| awilkins | And some of the compression parameters | 11:23 |
| bigcalm | I'm thinking it would have been quicker to scp this 15.4GB file rather than compress it | 11:44 |
| shauno | scp -C ? | 11:46 |
| nigelb | 28 | 11:56 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | 16 | 11:56 |
| JamesTait | 42 | 11:57 |
| MooDoo | 98? | 11:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | That's Numberwang! | 11:57 |
| MooDoo | lol | 11:57 |
| nigelb | bag | 11:58 |
| nigelb | bah | 11:58 |
| brobostigon | 42 :) | 12:00 |
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| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| Dan_on_Holiday | Hello all. Just moved Father-in-Law from Win XP to Lubuntu but have a problem. If I have a .deb of a printer driver with a dependency on libtiff4, what do I need to do to install it in Lubuntu 14.04, given that libtiff4 is no longer in the repos..? Ta. | 12:12 |
| popey | hello Dan_on_Holiday | 12:12 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | hi popey | 12:12 |
| popey | libtiff4 is in ubuntu 14.04 | 12:12 |
| popey | $ apt-cache search libtiff4 | 12:13 |
| popey | libtiff4-dev - Tag Image File Format library (TIFF), transitional package | 12:13 |
| popey | libtiff4 - Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old version) | 12:13 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | hmmm... not what it said to me yesterday.. let me have another go! | 12:13 |
| popey | hit it with a stick, that helps | 12:13 |
| MooDoo | it's got to be a big one so that it gets scared thought | 12:14 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | Package libtiff4 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'libtiff4' has no installation candidate | 12:14 |
| zleap | hello | 12:15 |
| popey | Dan_on_Holiday: hmm, i have it installed here... | 12:15 |
| popey | seems I have it from a previous release maybe | 12:15 |
| zleap | i am waiting for the website to be updated so I can download 14.04 | 12:15 |
| popey | Dan_on_Holiday: you could get the deb from packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/libtiff4 ? | 12:16 |
| Myrtti | I wish I was a cat | 12:16 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | Oooh. New territory... Learning all the time :) | 12:16 |
| popey | Dan_on_Holiday: so click either amd64 or i386 on that page, at the bottom | 12:17 |
| popey | then the mirror links on the resulting page will be .debs you can download and probably install with "sudo dpkg -i foo.deb" | 12:17 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | OK. Will do. Thanks... | 12:18 |
| * Dan_on_Holiday owes popey several pints now. Only ever pop in here when I'm stuck! | 12:18 | |
| zleap | will check site later | 12:19 |
| zleap | cya | 12:19 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | seemed to work. Remind me how I check if it's installed? | 12:19 |
| popey | hehe | 12:20 |
| popey | apt-cache policy libtiff4 | 12:20 |
| popey | will tell you version etc | 12:20 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | Thanks. It's there. And printer driver install script has worked too. yay! | 12:21 |
| popey | huzzah | 12:23 |
| popey | hope it all works out | 12:23 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | Thanks. Have to train father-in-law in new workflow now. That'll be tricky... | 12:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | !isitoutyet | 12:23 |
| lubotu3 | No TheOpenSourcerer, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 12:23 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | Cheers tho! | 12:23 |
| MooDoo | someone owes popey a beer on the rat :) | 12:23 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | Let me know when you're visiting Mr S on the Isle of Man next, and I'll buy you a beer. | 12:24 |
| popey | \o/ Beer! | 12:24 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | :) | 12:25 |
| * Dan_on_Holiday waves and exits | 12:25 | |
| popey | Dan_on_Holiday: I rarely get over there. Malta is the next Island to visit | 12:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Malta - yawn. | 12:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Most miserable peeps I've ever met. | 12:25 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | popey: Fair enough. I'm on hols in London Mon-Thu next week... | 12:25 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And my missus wouldn't let me eat/order baby donkey | 12:26 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | TheOpenSourcerer: Baby Donkey sounds much more exotic than IoM national dish of chips, cheese & gravy ! | 12:27 |
| Dan_on_Holiday | right must go and finish tweaking this install... Thanks all | 12:27 |
| popey | TheOpenSourcerer: beats some of the places we usually go | 12:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Dan_on_Holiday: Indeed, but my wife being a vegetarian and having gown up with Donkey's rather took umbrage at the idea :-( | 12:27 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Oooh sorry - an aberrant apostrpphe. | 12:28 |
| dwatkins | Today I learned a new word, thanks TheOpenSourcerer. | 12:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol - seems to work quite nicely with apostrophe I think. | 12:32 |
| dwatkins | alliteration, yes | 12:32 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | *sigh* still no word on the release party | 12:33 |
| MooDoo | SuperTrustyMatt: you creating one then? perhaps you can do a g+ hangout party ;) | 12:34 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | well, I've emailed ubuntu-uk and no one has come back with any pub suggestions | 12:36 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | I wonder if I can get a hold of someone from canonical | 12:36 |
| popey | this is normal | 12:36 |
| popey | hello, i am someone from canonical | 12:36 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | popey: can you ask someone, somewhere in canonical to pick a pub for tonight? | 12:36 |
| popey | the way you organise things is a) organise it, b) tell people where it will be | 12:36 |
| popey | no | 12:36 |
| popey | you pick one ☻ | 12:36 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | would you pass the word to canonical staff? | 12:37 |
| popey | then make a thing on loco.ubuntu.com and you're done. | 12:37 |
| popey | i can, yes. | 12:37 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | thanks | 12:37 |
| popey | share the loco.ubuntu.com thing about a bit | 12:37 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | calling a few pubs | 12:40 |
| MooDoo | wow ubuntu-release-party is manic, any one have any patience there......nope :D | 12:47 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | popey: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2789-trusty-release-party/ | 12:47 |
| ali1234 | wait the release is today? | 12:47 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: 0_o | 12:47 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | I've picked the lord nelson from 7 tonight because I could book a table | 12:49 |
| popey | /81/41] | 12:58 |
| popey | bah! | 12:58 |
| MartijnVdS | password reset time ;) | 12:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | !isitoutyet | 13:04 |
| lubotu3 | No TheOpenSourcerer, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 13:04 |
| MartijnVdS | .. and another 5 minute delay | 13:04 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | :-D | 13:04 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | If we keep asking then we could force a delay until tomorrow ;-) | 13:05 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | A holiday in the UK - so it would slip into next week. | 13:05 |
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| MooDoo | tuesday at the lest | 13:06 |
| MooDoo | leaset | 13:06 |
| bashrc | is it out yet? | 13:06 |
| awilkins | !isitoutyet | 13:09 |
| lubotu3 | No awilkins, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 13:09 |
| awilkins | Torrents are of course, the preferred downloady thing | 13:10 |
| awilkins | Booo, London-centric release party | 13:15 |
| awilkins | Where's the Manchester one? | 13:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | create one awilkins | 13:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Although it's probably a bit late now. | 13:15 |
| * awilkins checks the usual suspects | 13:15 | |
| awilkins | Will just go to the Python user group and insist they have an Ubuntu party instead | 13:15 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer wonders about a launch party in his local tonight just for me ;-) | 13:15 | |
| * awilkins may just have a quiet G&T at home | 13:15 | |
| bigcalm | 254MB and still compressing | 13:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Not sure Mrs TheOpenSourcerer will let me out again... Went to the pub last night too. :-( | 13:16 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And just spent loads on a very nice holiday | 13:16 |
| bashrc | I think the canonical offices are in London | 13:16 |
| bashrc | but I would be up for a Manchester release party | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | what's the name of that tool that lets you control windows from the command line? like minimize/maximize/positioning etc? | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | wmctrl | 13:25 |
| MartijnVdS | devilspie | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | that also looks cool | 13:26 |
| awilkins | Opinion gathering : MITM-attacking your employees HTTPS connections at the proxy - acceptible? | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | depends on the company | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | if you are a bank? sure | 13:29 |
| awilkins | Government org, but not high-security | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | definitions of high-security differ. i would say yes for government | 13:30 |
| MartijnVdS | never acceptable imho | 13:30 |
| MartijnVdS | if you can't trust your employees with internet, don't give them access to it at all | 13:30 |
| awilkins | IMHO it introduces a larger security risk | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | for employees it does | 13:30 |
| awilkins | For employer too | 13:31 |
| awilkins | Because the sysadmin can read all your authentication information | 13:31 |
| awilkins | And can thus impersonate users | 13:31 |
| dwatkins | I think in some countries, MITM-type snooping is illegal (German, probably) | 13:31 |
| dwatkins | Sometimes I get calls about reactivating accounts, German customers can't just open an ex-employee's mailbox for legal reasons | 13:32 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | !isitoutyet | 13:33 |
| lubotu3 | No TheOpenSourcerer, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 13:33 |
| dwatkins | are we nearly there yet? | 13:34 |
| dwatkins | are we nearly there yet? | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: No, they're skipping the release. | 13:35 |
| MooDoo | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1411185242486356&set=a.1382444232027124.1073741829.100007846805553&type=1&theater | 13:36 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: out of spite. | 13:38 |
| petee | Are the AWS AMI’s normally released at the same time as the ISO’s? | 13:38 |
| bigcalm | Is there a CLI command that'll give disk space usage? | 13:41 |
| awilkins | df | 13:41 |
| MartijnVdS | du -sh some_Dir | 13:41 |
| awilkins | df -h if you want it more human | 13:41 |
| bigcalm | Sorry, I meant where space has been used | 13:41 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: du -sh * | 13:41 |
| bigcalm | Hummz, okay | 13:42 |
| bigcalm | Actually, du -sh * will do what I need. | 13:43 |
| bigcalm | Ta MartijnVdS | 13:43 |
| bigcalm | Yay, just freed 9 gig on this server | 13:44 |
| bigcalm | Hope my boss didn't need those files | 13:44 |
| awilkins | I cleared 270GB off a server the other day with a single shell command | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | 9G that's not a lot | 13:45 |
| awilkins | It was very satisfying | 13:45 |
| awilkins | Went from 95% disk usage to 30% | 13:46 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: it was in one file | 13:47 |
| bigcalm | I'm still trying to free space | 13:47 |
| * MooDoo is getting frustrated in ubuntu-release-party so I'm not going in there again | 13:48 | |
| MooDoo | ner ner ner ner ner | 13:48 |
| bigcalm | What will change between last night's `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` and the release this afternoon? | 13:49 |
| awilkins | Nominally, not much | 13:53 |
| awilkins | Everything should have been frozen for weeks, right? | 13:53 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | popey: did you manage to send around this link? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2789-trusty-release-party/ | 13:53 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | at the moment I'm the only one going :( | 13:54 |
| popey | ah, didnt see it. | 13:54 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | I did send it out to ubuntu-uk | 13:54 |
| * popey does now | 13:54 | |
| SuperTrustyMatt | thanks! | 13:54 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | There's a table booked at the Lord Nelson under my name | 13:54 |
| zleap | hello | 13:56 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | 'lo | 13:56 |
| zleap | is there an ETA for 14.04 | 13:56 |
| zleap | ? | 13:56 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | !isitoutyet | 13:56 |
| lubotu3 | No SuperTrustyMatt, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 13:56 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | zleap: I hope that helps | 13:57 |
| zleap | thanks | 13:57 |
| MooDoo | SuperTrustyMatt: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1411185242486356&set=a.1382444232027124.1073741829.100007846805553&type=1&theater | 13:57 |
| zleap | i take it other related stuff like xubuntu is co-ordinated for simultaneous release | 13:58 |
| zleap | as lubuntu 14.04 isn't out either yet | 13:58 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | more or less, yes | 13:58 |
| zleap | ok | 13:58 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | there are no releases until they're all ready | 13:58 |
| bigcalm | Uploading at 350K/s :( I do look forward to moving house and getting FTTC | 14:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | !isitoutyet | 14:29 |
| lubotu3 | No TheOpenSourcerer, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 14:29 |
| MartijnVdS | !isitoutyet | 14:30 |
| lubotu3 | No MartijnVdS, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 14:30 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | TheOpenSourcerer: are you coming tonight? | 14:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Nope. Sorry - I have a date with my GP's wife. | 14:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I have to collect my 96 chilli plants she has kindly looked after for me whilst I was on holiday. | 14:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Some of them looked like this when I went away: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G9mULXGANqE/Uz-vJtUB7FI/AAAAAAAAPE8/q0lzg3N9Vbc/w1182-h887-no/20140405_081958.jpg | 14:32 |
| dv81 | why does ubuntu log irc? | 14:43 |
| popey | why not? | 14:43 |
| zleap | dv81, probably so people can search logs for answers to questions and or produce faqs | 14:43 |
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| dv81 | lul | 14:44 |
| zleap | ? | 14:44 |
| dv81 | such a poor reason | 14:44 |
| dv81 | so much noise on IRC | 14:44 |
| popey | depends which channel. | 14:44 |
| MartijnVdS | also to have evidence in case of abuse/harassment/etc.? | 14:45 |
| dv81 | i dunno, just kinda annoys me | 14:45 |
| dv81 | loosing ownership of your data | 14:45 |
| zleap | dv81, why it hardly gets int eh way of anything does it | 14:46 |
| popey | lulz | 14:46 |
| popey | its public record | 14:46 |
| dv81 | which i know, is a bit of an anathema on irc | 14:46 |
| dv81 | still | 14:46 |
| popey | not all channels are logged | 14:46 |
| dv81 | zleap: google sees everything | 14:46 |
| dv81 | theres no robots.txt log site | 14:46 |
| dv81 | on the* | 14:47 |
| zleap | i was just suggesting one reason a channel MAY be logged not THE reason | 14:47 |
| dv81 | :) | 14:47 |
| dv81 | Funny to think it some dude's job to trawl the logs to put together faqs | 14:48 |
| dv81 | maybe a 2 year rolling history would be better | 14:48 |
| popey | I have trawled logs to extract data before. | 14:48 |
| zleap | you can write tools for it | 14:48 |
| popey | its also useful for meeting records. | 14:49 |
| zleap | or use grep | 14:49 |
| zleap | popey, good point | 14:49 |
| dv81 | "curl -s http://somepage.com | grep whatever" | 14:50 |
| dv81 | and pastebin it | 14:50 |
| dv81 | could be annoying lol | 14:50 |
| zleap | as popey said goof for producing records of meetings | 14:51 |
| zleap | good | 14:51 |
| dv81 | yeah | 14:51 |
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| zleap | but sometimes there are specific channels set up for meetings | 14:52 |
| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | popey | 14:52 |
| lubotu3 | popey: No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 14:52 |
| bigcalm | Heh, that looks silly | 14:52 |
| dv81 | i guess ubuntu doesnt agree with the right to be forgotten | 14:53 |
| dv81 | but it is disclaimed. | 14:54 |
| bigcalm | dv81: you don't have to talk in any channel that is recorded | 14:54 |
| zleap | i would guess that if you go in to a meeting you are there FOR the meeting and just like with real world meetings you have someone takes minutes | 14:54 |
| * davmor2 drives over to bigcalm slaps him with a kipper and drives back | 14:54 | |
| zleap | dv81, probably in the freenode terms somewhere | 14:55 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: you could have brought some food with you. Slacker | 14:55 |
| davmor2 | I did I left the kipper | 14:55 |
| bigcalm | Nice | 14:55 |
| zleap | lol | 14:55 |
| dv81 | all true. | 14:56 |
| popey | You also don't have to use your real name | 14:56 |
| dv81 | true | 14:57 |
| dv81 | only sane option really | 14:57 |
| zleap | /me wonders if GCHQ and the NSA have access to irc logs | 14:59 |
| bigcalm | It's plain text, no reason why they shouldn't | 14:59 |
| ali1234 | why do you think there are so many idlers on every channel? | 14:59 |
| JamesTait | ali1234, who are you calling idle? :-P | 15:00 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: if the cap fits | 15:00 |
| zleap | exactly so if they want, they can log it, here, regardless of if the room is logged at the server level | 15:00 |
| * popey notes davmor2 is probably the only one here currently wearing a cap | 15:01 | |
| * JamesTait gets popcorn | 15:01 | |
| ali1234 | !isitoutyet | 15:01 |
| lubotu3 | No ali1234, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 15:01 |
| zleap | so how much will a ubuntu tablet set me back | 15:02 |
| popey | they dont exist yet, so save your money ☻ | 15:03 |
| zleap | ok | 15:04 |
| zleap | i know theya re not out yet, but maybe there is some sort of speculation as to cost | 15:04 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | I'm still the only person going tonight :'( | 15:06 |
| davmor2 | popey: no I only wear a cap out indoors I my costa rica hat that elopio brought us http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/costa-rica.jpg | 15:07 |
| popey | hehe | 15:07 |
| popey | SuperTrustyMatt: was passed round at work | 15:08 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | thanks dude | 15:08 |
| popey | SuperTrustyMatt: often times people don't bother signing up, but just arrive | 15:08 |
| dv81 | zleap: ebay a first edition Nexus 7, i guess | 15:08 |
| zleap | ok | 15:08 |
| davmor2 | popey: or my cyberman headset :) | 15:08 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: you look like you need some sleep | 15:10 |
| davmor2 | popey: that wasn't a horrible picture considering it was on UT on the N4 face side camera | 15:10 |
| popey | indeed | 15:10 |
| popey | zleap: nope, dont do that | 15:10 |
| popey | first edition nexus 7 not supported | 15:10 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: midnight is a good time to knock off work right | 15:10 |
| bigcalm | The guys woulnd't let me work at the LUG last night | 15:11 |
| zleap | popey, i just looked at the spec requirements | 15:11 |
| popey | nexus 4, nexus 7 (2013) and nexus 10 are devices we currently support | 15:11 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | popey: that's all right then :) | 15:12 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | if no one is there, I'll just go straight home cos it's on my way | 15:13 |
| bigcalm | SuperTrustyMatt: so you're expecting others to be there before you are? | 15:20 |
| zleap | popey, so is the idea to install ubuntu on these devices and or buy pre-installed | 15:21 |
| bigcalm | Has release ever been so late in the day? | 15:21 |
| popey | at the moment you can install on those devices | 15:21 |
| popey | i used to have a doc somewhere with all the release times in UTC listed | 15:21 |
| zleap | ok | 15:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | !isitoutyet | 15:22 |
| lubotu3 | No TheOpenSourcerer, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 15:22 |
| locodir-user | https://www.facebook.com/system76 | 15:24 |
| xaro | Hey all | 15:31 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | the answer is probably no, not yet | 15:31 |
| bigcalm | :) | 15:32 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | bigcalm: I'm only expecting to be like 15 minutes late ;) | 15:32 |
| daftykins | https://www.dropbox.com/s/qfkhek27kvub51f/IMG_20140417_162156.jpg | 15:32 |
| daftykins | mmm tidy desk | 15:32 |
| philwyett | You can lookup status on QA for the final here. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds | 15:32 |
| bigcalm | daftykins: will it last? | 15:32 |
| daftykins | yes! | 15:33 |
| daftykins | :D | 15:33 |
| bigcalm | daftykins: I'd find it uncomfortable to look at an angle all day long | 15:33 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | daftykins: snap on the speakers | 15:33 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | my desk at work is quite tidy because we don't deal with much paper here at rackspace | 15:33 |
| daftykins | i originally thought that but you actually don't notice because it's so subtle | 15:33 |
| daftykins | plus you rotate the chair | 15:33 |
| bigcalm | I don't need to re-post my mess :) | 15:34 |
| daftykins | ooh please do | 15:35 |
| SuperTrustyMatt | bigcalm: re-has it ever been release so late in the day, I think quantal was released at 17:30 | 15:35 |
| daftykins | what i originally thought was that gaming would be really odd, since it'd be up on one screen mainly of course | 15:35 |
| bashrc | !isitoutyet | 15:35 |
| lubotu3 | No bashrc, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 15:35 |
| bigcalm | daftykins: taken at xmas time just after my yearly tidy and vacuum: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/414480294205734912 | 15:37 |
| bigcalm | Doesn't look so bad that day | 15:37 |
| bigcalm | Looking at the desktop background, I had booted into Windows. I guess to play games | 15:38 |
| daftykins | no way a samsung 193P ?! | 15:38 |
| bigcalm | A what? | 15:39 |
| daftykins | ah no LG something or other | 15:39 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 15:39 |
| daftykins | that LCD in the centre looks a lot like my first ever LCD which is just up on a shelf here :> | 15:39 |
| bigcalm | 2 x 22" Dell. 1 x 22" LG. 1 x 15" LG | 15:39 |
| daftykins | :> | 15:39 |
| zleap | u got 4 monitors , | 15:40 |
| bigcalm | Argos catalogues - best monitor raisers that money can't buy | 15:40 |
| bigcalm | zleap: this is true | 15:40 |
| zleap | looks good | 15:40 |
| daftykins | the big money in displays definitely seems to go into the stands | 15:40 |
| zleap | bigcalm, i may try that, good idea use old catalogues | 15:40 |
| daftykins | these Dell 2408's crank up quite nicely | 15:41 |
| bigcalm | Read that as 2048 and now want to play the game | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | And I have also now just lost The Game | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | Arse | 15:42 |
| bigcalm | To see the usual mess: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/303095108872585216 | 15:43 |
| * bigcalm notes that his pink highlighter has gone missing | 15:43 | |
| daftykins | a client has that logitech trackball | 15:43 |
| daftykins | so funny when he asks me why it's right clicking instead of left, glance over and he's got his hand placed wrong D: | 15:44 |
| zleap | bigcalm, that looks tidy compared to my desk | 15:44 |
| bigcalm | This the accompanying blog post: http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/ | 15:44 |
| daftykins | haha specs link | 15:45 |
| daftykins | classic | 15:45 |
| philwyett | 14.04 has hit the release server. ;-) | 15:46 |
| zleap | whooo | 15:46 |
| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | 15:46 |
| lubotu3 | No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 15:46 |
| zleap | iwill wait a how or so before trying to download | 15:46 |
| daftykins | haha, an hour won't change a thing | 15:47 |
| daftykins | but just grab the torrent maybe. | 15:47 |
| bigcalm | zleap: wait a day or so | 15:47 |
| zleap | ok | 15:47 |
| bigcalm | zleap: or use a mirror | 15:47 |
| bigcalm | zleap: or just enjoy a slow download :) | 15:47 |
| zleap | i will use a mirror usually find a uk one | 15:47 |
| zleap | i can find that site that lists all the isos, and other bits, inc md5sums and then write a shell script to wget what i want | 15:49 |
| zleap | like here http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/ | 15:50 |
| zleap | ok that is for xubumtu | 15:50 |
| zleap | but i can use the urls in the script | 15:50 |
| * daftykins jumps on a server 32-bit torrent | 16:05 | |
| daftykins | that was speedy | 16:05 |
| shauno | 32bit?! | 16:05 |
| dv81 | http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ | 16:06 |
| dv81 | g0g0g0g0g | 16:06 |
| daftykins | yeah :D i often VM with sub 1GB RAM so no reason to run 64-bit | 16:06 |
| scotth-12 | http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ | 16:07 |
| shauno | I tend to stick with 64bit even in my VMs. just makes it tidier to use the same spin everywhere | 16:07 |
| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | 16:09 |
| lubotu3 | No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 16:09 |
| zleap | ok looks like the download page isn't updated yet | 16:09 |
| dv81 | http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ | 16:09 |
| dv81 | its out | 16:09 |
| dv81 | torrenting now | 16:09 |
| zleap | is this the right command to check md5sums against isos | 16:12 |
| zleap | md5sum -c MD5SUMS | 16:12 |
| bigcalm | Love the 1st comment on the press release page "there is no 14.04 yet!!! | 16:12 |
| bigcalm | it's just 13.10 and 12.04 available to download and it's about 6am in london | 16:12 |
| bigcalm | why???" | 16:12 |
| daftykins | zleap: plenty of guides online | 16:13 |
| zleap | ok | 16:13 |
| bigcalm | zleap: I just do it visually | 16:14 |
| zleap | ok | 16:14 |
| zleap | bigcalm, yeah i have done it manually too | 16:19 |
| zleap | works both ways | 16:19 |
| bashrc | it's out http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/ | 16:49 |
| shauno | are we there yet? | 16:49 |
| daftykins | yeah i'm seeding desktop right now | 16:50 |
| daftykins | and it's just about to finish installing in a VM | 16:50 |
| bashrc | I'll download it later | 16:50 |
| daftykins | how come? torrents are fine :> | 16:51 |
| bashrc | well I'm going to eat, do random stuff and then get back to teh interwebs | 16:54 |
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| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | 17:46 |
| lubotu3 | No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) | 17:46 |
| bigcalm | Wow | 17:46 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if there will be a release today or not | 17:46 |
| daftykins | well, the images are up, whether they're the ones or not | 17:46 |
| daftykins | so it doesn't really matter whether the word is official or not | 17:47 |
| bigcalm | ubuntu.com hasn't been updated though | 17:47 |
| daftykins | that's not much of a distinction though hey? :) | 17:47 |
| philwyett | If it's not out. I download then uploaded a gig via torrent of something that thinks it's the 64 bit 14.04 desktop. ;-) | 17:50 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:50 |
| popey | plenty of time ☻ | 17:50 |
| daftykins | we have all... the time... in the world ~ | 17:57 |
| bashrc | Ubuntu Y U no out? | 18:00 |
| daftykins | because you asked | 18:00 |
| daftykins | :( | 18:01 |
| davmor2 | bashrc: cause it isn't durrrr | 18:03 |
| davmor2 | philwyett: but it isn't out yet | 18:04 |
| ging_ | when you say it's not out yet does that mean it's no in the repos but you can download the iso ? | 18:04 |
| === ging_ is now known as ging | ||
| daftykins | it's out now | 18:05 |
| ging | if not i have no idea what i am downloading | 18:05 |
| ging | oh you already said that | 18:05 |
| ging | the images are up | 18:05 |
| ging | i guess they could get yanked and replaced with newer ones | 18:06 |
| philwyett | davmor2: Things are out when my Mrs has it installed on her laptop and is already moaning about a 'feature'. ;-) | 18:06 |
| davmor2 | philwyett: No really it isn't :D | 18:07 |
| philwyett | davmor2: Cool. Can someone change the user accounts gui to stop saying passwords for accounts are not good enough and won't let you continue. ;-) | 18:09 |
| davmor2 | philwyett: Erm no otherwise people put easily crackable passwords and then everyone suffers | 18:10 |
| daftykins | philwyett: you'll have to stop using 'password' ! | 18:11 |
| philwyett | :-) | 18:11 |
| * popey looks at dutchie with his easily crackable password on ubuntu uk wordpress instance leading to viagra spam ☹ | 18:14 | |
| ging | how do you know it's not his true interests? | 18:15 |
| MartijnVdS | http://opensslrampage.org/ | 18:17 |
| * philwyett grabs the latest podcast. This one has cake. | 18:21 | |
| awilkins | !isitoutyet | 18:32 |
| lubotu3 | Yes it is out! Download at www.ubuntu.com/download | 18:32 |
| popey | cake! | 18:33 |
| ging | !cake | 18:33 |
| ging | why doesn't it say the cake is a lie like in another channel i'm in? | 18:34 |
| philwyett | Bots here know which side their cake is creamed on. | 18:35 |
| ging | the middle? | 18:36 |
| davmor2 | ging: because the cake on a party channel is true not lie :P | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | !cake-#ubuntu-offtopic | 18:38 |
| lubotu3 | The cake is a !pie! | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | !pie-#ubuntu-offtopic | 18:39 |
| lubotu3 | PIE PIE PIE, mmm PI PI PI http://ikanobori.jp/storage/pi_e.jpg or http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3663/3358637054_9f756a3615.jpg | 18:39 |
| AlanBell | gosh | 18:39 |
| daftykins | i think i picked an ideal weekend to go away. | 18:39 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: Raspberry Pi? ;) | 18:39 |
| ging | how can the cake be a pie? if it's a pie then it's not a cake | 18:39 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: how's that project progressing? :) | 18:39 |
| ging | unless it's made by pringles or something and they are trying to dodge tax | 18:39 |
| AlanBell | MartijnVdS: slowly, like everything I have been trying to do for the last few months :( | 18:40 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: :( | 18:40 |
| AlanBell | going to grab the trusty archives now and work on it this weekend | 18:41 |
| davmor2 | popey: oh nice second part of broken sword got release today they timed it to coincide with the big release :) | 18:44 |
| popey | davmor2: well thats the weekend sorted ☻ | 18:49 |
| bashrc | installed 14.04! | 18:49 |
| bashrc | I notice that the global menu remains the default | 18:50 |
| davmor2 | popey: no I know what my weekend is going to entail and fun doesn't enter into it :( | 18:50 |
| popey | hope that goes okay dude. | 18:50 |
| bashrc | so by default you still have to play the "which window does this menu belong to?" game | 18:50 |
| popey | bashrc: so turn it off? | 18:51 |
| bashrc | yes I just have | 18:51 |
| popey | problem gone.. | 18:51 |
| bashrc | it is nice to have the menus back where they belong | 18:51 |
| popey | +1 | 18:52 |
| popey | makes sloppy focus work well too | 18:52 |
| bashrc | I'm wondering how to get the minimize on click behavior | 18:52 |
| popey | which I *love* | 18:52 |
| popey | install ccsm | 18:52 |
| popey | its an option in there | 18:52 |
| bashrc | ok | 18:52 |
| bashrc | ccsm? | 18:53 |
| AlanBell | compiz-config-settingsmanager | 18:53 |
| bashrc | ah | 18:54 |
| AlanBell | possibly different hyphen configuration | 18:54 |
| AlanBell | !ccsm | 18:54 |
| AlanBell | !info ccsm | 18:54 |
| lubotu3 | Package ccsm does not exist in saucy | 18:54 |
| AlanBell | ooh, that needs tweaking | 18:55 |
| popey | !info compizconfig-settings-manager | 18:58 |
| lubotu3 | compizconfig-settings-manager (source: compiz): Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:0.9.10+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 1080 kB, installed size 4491 kB | 18:59 |
| bashrc | woohoo it worked | 18:59 |
| bashrc | I think that minimise behavior should be there by default. Makes it easy to hide applications you're not currently using | 19:00 |
| SuperEngineer | Anyone found any probs with Steam under 14.04? | 19:00 |
| * SuperEngineer crosses fingers - hopes for same answer as expected... "nope" | 19:01 | |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: no probs here | 19:01 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperEngineer: been playing FTL for hours this week ;) | 19:02 |
| SuperEngineer | MartijnVdS: whoopee | 19:02 |
| SuperEngineer | :) | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | FTL is such awesome | 19:02 |
| mapps | hm | 19:14 |
| mapps | how can i mount a linux dir on my windows machine | 19:15 |
| MartijnVdS | mapps: using the samba server on the linux machine | 19:18 |
| jpds | MartijnVdS: Not if they're the same machine. | 19:18 |
| mapps | ah ok i dont need anything special on windows then | 19:19 |
| MartijnVdS | jpds: unless one of them's a VM ;) | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | (or both) | 19:21 |
| diddledan | `sudo do-release-upgrade` isn't showing the new version as stable yet | 19:40 |
| diddledan | maybe it's 'cos I've got saucy updates pending | 19:40 |
| diddledan | `sudo apt-get upgrade` | 19:41 |
| bigcalm | Am I missing something, or is it not recommended to upgrade 13.10 to 14.04 yet? | 20:00 |
| bigcalm | I've had to run `update-manager -d` to get it to see 14.04. But doing so greets me with "Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Trusty Tahr' development release" | 20:00 |
| diddledan | bigcalm: I'm seeing the same | 20:21 |
| Laney | That isn't enabled yet | 20:32 |
| Laney | Users of Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.10 will be offered an automatic upgrade to | 20:32 |
| Laney | 14.04 LTS via Update Manager shortly. Users of 12.04 LTS will be | 20:32 |
| Laney | offered the automatic upgrade when 14.04.1 LTS is released, which is | 20:32 |
| Laney | scheduled for July 24th. | 20:32 |
| diddledan | Laney: is there any idea how long the delay will be for 13.10 update manager to enable the upgrade path? | 20:34 |
| Laney | Soon | 20:35 |
| diddledan | heh | 20:36 |
| diddledan | "how long is a piece of string?" :-p | 20:36 |
| Laney | A pretty short string | 20:36 |
| Laney | Extra mirrors are being brought up before doing that | 20:36 |
| diddledan | still it's a crazy question of mine that doesn't really have a finite answer I would guess | 20:37 |
| diddledan | "when it's ready" would be appropriate of an answer | 20:37 |
| Laney | When the people doing the things finish doing the things | 20:37 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:37 |
| Laney | Not being a person it's hard to say | 20:37 |
| Laney | :( | 20:37 |
| * Laney barks | 20:38 | |
| diddledan | I hate that, too, not being a person | 20:38 |
| bigcalm | !isitoutyet | 20:38 |
| lubotu3 | Yes, it's out! Download at http://www.ubuntu.com/download | Release announcement at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html | 20:38 |
| bigcalm | :| | 20:38 |
| Laney | arf arf | 20:39 |
| bigcalm | Laney: tomorow, weekend, next week? | 20:43 |
| Laney | It's being worked on now | 20:43 |
| * bigcalm becomes unreasonably demanding for no reason | 20:43 | |
| bigcalm | Maybe I'm just bored | 20:47 |
| === Cloud80 is now known as durandal | ||
| Laney | Ruddy EDF emailed me to tell me to log in and read a 'secure message' but it's not there | 21:08 |
| * Laney charges them for the time wasted | 21:08 | |
| daftykins | Laney: ooh-err, legit email? didn't follow links in it? D: | 21:26 |
| Laney | no | 21:27 |
| Laney | I went to the browser and opened up my.edf-energy.com | 21:27 |
| Laney | the subject was "Sorry you're leaving us" which is a true fact so I believe it's real | 21:27 |
| markie- | 99/exit | 21:37 |
| dutchie | popey: er | 21:44 |
| dutchie | don't even recall having an account on that | 21:45 |
| szymon_g | hi | 21:46 |
| szymon_g | if I wanna install ubuntu on the computer with uefi on, do I have to download version for mac or will the normal 64 bit version suffice? | 21:46 |
| diddledan | szymon_g: I believe the mac version is tailored to older broken mac efi implementations - the normal release should be fine for a pc (non-mac) | 21:47 |
| diddledan | most modern macs can work on the normal release now, too afaik | 21:48 |
| szymon_g | thanks, diddledan. what's the easiest idiot-proof way to burn an image on usb stick (in the way it would work in already mentioned mode)? | 21:48 |
| daftykins | 'dd' | 21:49 |
| diddledan | good question - I heard rumour that you can just use dd (if you're on linux already) or rawwritewin (windows) | 21:49 |
| szymon_g | daftykins: I meant: for windows | 21:50 |
| daftykins | szymon_g: universal USB installer from pendrivelinux.com would be your friendliest approach i'd say | 21:57 |
| diddledan | daftykins: does that run in efi-mode? | 21:58 |
| daftykins | do you mean, will it create a flash drive that can boot EFI style? | 21:58 |
| diddledan | yes | 21:59 |
| daftykins | pretty sure all that's relevant for EFI boot is the use of FAT on the flash drive and the presence of the image in /boot upon it | 21:59 |
| daftykins | so if it's in the ISO, it's all good | 21:59 |
| MooDoo | evening all | 22:17 |
| daftykins | hi | 22:17 |
| MooDoo | how are you daftykins ? | 22:18 |
| daftykins | not bad ty, pretty tired from cleaning a lot though :> | 22:19 |
| daftykins | and yu? | 22:20 |
| daftykins | +o | 22:20 |
| MooDoo | yeah I'm ok :D | 22:20 |
| diddledan | and this is why I maintain a decent amount of furr: http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/photos/22-comics-explain-what-beards-are-all-about | 22:50 |
| === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc | ||
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