[05:36] <Myrtti> czajkowski: oddly enough, Google Hangouts works just fine in Firefox, prompting the reinstallation of the plugin only on Chrome
[05:44] <Myrtti> works on older chromium too
[05:53] <mapps> ,p
[05:54] <mapps> morning
[05:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[05:58] <daftykins> o/
[05:59] <daftykins> release day seems like an excellent day to avoid IRC
[06:00] <MooDoo> especially #ubuntu :p
[06:00] <daftykins> indeed :(
[06:00] <daftykins> omw. never seen it so bad
[06:01] <mapps> lol why
[06:01] <daftykins> every 5 seconds: "when's it out?!"
[06:02] <jussi> just don't join #ubuntu-release-party
[06:02] <MooDoo> no not that mad.
[06:02] <daftykins> nope, never gonna do that!
[06:02] <nigelb> I used to be in release-party for every release
[06:02] <nigelb> those were the days
[06:03] <MooDoo> I remember when I were a lad ;)
[06:03] <daftykins> did you run a client with joins and parts hidden? ;)
[06:03] <nigelb> nah, it's all part of the fun.
[06:03] <jussi> daftykins: I used to be there every release also, with joins/parts ON!
[06:03] <nigelb> "It'll all join to be parts of the fun"
[06:04] <nigelb> *runs*
[06:04]  * daftykins chases with an outdated ubuntu CD
[06:05] <Myrtti> I used to be in a lot of channels.
[06:05] <nigelb> I used to be in 150.
[06:05]  * nigelb is glad he's under 40 or so channels now.
[06:05] <Myrtti> I wasn't quite so hardcore
[06:06] <daftykins> i forget people and i'm only in 9
[06:06] <nigelb> I haven't parted a few channels becaue it would break my muscle memory for other channels :\
[06:06] <mapps> hm
[06:07] <mapps> well
[06:07] <mapps> that was nice
[06:07] <mapps> a new favourite sandwich from tesco:D
[06:07] <mapps> chicken, pepperoni and cheddar..yum
[06:07] <daftykins> O_O
[06:08] <daftykins> that sounds like an accident
[06:08] <mapps> lol
[06:08] <mapps> its so nice
[06:08] <mapps> i normally get egg and bacon.bit they didnt have it
[06:08] <mapps> so like OMG i had to do something different
[06:08] <mapps> O_o
[06:09] <MooDoo> mapps: O M G ;)
[06:09] <mapps> :D
[06:09] <MooDoo> Whens Ubuntu 14.04 released then ;)
[06:09]  * MooDoo ducks and runs
[06:10] <mapps> lol
[06:10] <Myrtti> MooDoo: you've dropped your identification btw.
[06:11] <MooDoo> thanks Myrtti
[06:11] <MooDoo> :)
[06:11] <mapps> i hope jj is on
[06:12] <MooDoo> mapps: get out now
[06:12] <MooDoo> ;)
[06:13] <mapps> lol
[06:13] <mapps> you know what i mean:D
[06:13] <mapps> its so good
[06:15] <jussi> mapps: how are holiday plans going?
[06:16] <mapps> gah it isnt on
[06:16] <mapps> waiting for my friend to give me dates
[06:16] <mapps> keep asking but he hasnt said
[06:16] <mapps> :(
[06:16] <MooDoo> omg why did I join #ubuntu-release-party lol
[06:16] <mapps> LOL
[06:16] <mapps> that bad?
[06:16] <daftykins> this is MooDoo right now: @_@
[06:17] <mapps> shouldve got 2 sandwiches
[06:17] <mapps> 1 fo when i get up
[06:17] <mapps> gah
[06:17] <mapps> next time..i wasnt sure i'd like it
[06:17] <daftykins> you know it's tough times when you're snacking on what was meant to be the next meal
[06:17] <MooDoo> daftykins: I use irssi so my channel numbers are light when there is a conversation I just don't know which one to read first lol
[06:18] <mapps> heh
[06:18] <mapps> well
[06:18] <mapps> going out tonight
[06:18] <mapps> so gotta have lotsa food first
[06:18] <mapps> dont wanna get too drunk..and i haveform
[06:18] <mapps> like every day of the last 10 years;p
[06:18] <daftykins> MooDoo: yeah same, i just dance across them playing 'whack-a-mole'
[06:19] <mapps> hopefully going Stoke v Spurs next saturday
[06:19] <mapps> il be cheering spurs on..in the stoke end tho
[06:19] <mapps> lol
[06:19] <jussi> mapps: good results for arsenal and liverpool last night...
[06:20] <mapps> yea
[06:20] <mapps> saw 2-2 city..i had radio on no pics:(
[06:20] <mapps> no pics anywhere afaik
[06:20] <mapps> i watched barca v real and the palace game
[06:20] <jussi> palace did well...
[06:20] <mapps> while doing #'work'
[06:20] <mapps> ;)
[06:21] <mapps> thats why ils tuggle in a normal job
[06:21] <mapps> im doing my job and watching the barca game..and palace and tennis
[06:21] <mapps> and iy still feels like im working
[06:21] <mapps> lol
[06:22] <daftykins> well, i'm gonna run away from your football talk :P later all \o
[06:22] <mapps> cya mate
[06:22] <mapps> i was watching baseball too:P
[06:22] <mapps> for my actual work
[06:23] <daftykins> i'll leave you with a fine picture of Guernsey from the air that i just happened to dig up
[06:23] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6pp5eqwwlwhyn5/IMG_20120308_180051.jpg
[06:23] <daftykins> nothing like seeing your entire home in one view
[06:24] <MooDoo> daftykins: I'm saving for a quad copter and with my go pro I'll do the same one day for my house :D lol
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: with a proper gimbal mount? :)
[06:34] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: no can't afford that one lol going for the static mount one lol
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: then the images will be shaky
[06:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: the quadcopters with proper gimbals are getting cheaper though
[06:35] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yeah probably, I need to do a bit more research, but I'm looking at the dji phantoms.
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's what the guys at tested.com were raving about
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://www.tested.com/tech/460662-testing-dji-phantom-vision-quadcopter-drone/
[06:37] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yeah i'd love that one but can't afford it, so thinking about the phantom 2
[06:39] <MartijnVdS>  http://xkcd.com/941/
[06:40] <MooDoo> fab lol
[06:46] <bashrc_> morning all.  Is it out yet?
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> oh is it that day? :)
[06:47] <bashrc> I think so
[06:48] <MooDoo> lol
[06:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> #isitoutyet?
[06:54] <MartijnVdS> every time you ask, it gets delayed another 5 mintues
[06:55]  * nigelb sets +b on TheOpenSourcerer 
[06:55] <nigelb> Mornin'
[06:55] <bashrc> when is H-hour?
[06:58]  * MooDoo slaps TheOpenSourcerer ;) lol
[07:14] <SuperMatt> morning all
[07:14] <diplo> Morning all
[07:15] <SuperMatt> happy release day
[07:15] <SuperMatt> jynx
[07:15] <diplo> :P
[07:15] <SuperMatt> I hope everyone is looking forward to this afternoon
[07:19] <SuperMatt> who's coming tonight
[07:21] <diplo> I won't be :(
[07:21] <diplo> I'm looking forward to this afternoon meaning a long weekend :P
[07:21] <TrustyMatt> I'm in work tomorrow
[07:21] <TrustyMatt> because some idiot has to cover
[07:22] <MooDoo> TrustyMatt: yeah same for us here, but luckily it's all volunteered.
[07:23] <MooDoo> TrustyMatt: where you work TrustyMatt ?
[07:23] <TrustyMatt> where do *I* work? Rackspace!
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> why else would he be trusty? ;)
[07:25] <TrustyMatt> I thought everyone knew I worked as a racker
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> it's a racket
[07:26] <MooDoo> TrustyMatt = supermatt?
[07:26] <TrustyMatt> yup yup
[07:27] <MooDoo> TrustyMatt: that's why people are getting confused :p
[07:27] <TrustyMatt> I changed the name mot 7 minutes ago
[07:27] <TrustyMatt> *not
[07:27]  * MooDoo missed that lol
[07:27] <TrustyMatt> I kinda figured people would quickly work it out
[07:27] <TrustyMatt> considering it's trusty day and all
[07:28] <MooDoo> TrustyMatt: ah it all clicks into place, I need more coffee :D
[07:28] <MooDoo> TrustyMatt: still getting kicked with heartbleed?
[07:28] <TrustyMatt> naw, not any more
[07:28] <TrustyMatt> it seems to have subsided
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> I bet a load of people still haven't fixed their certs though
[07:29] <MooDoo> hell of a lot.
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> because security? meh!
[07:30] <TrustyMatt> it's a tricky one to evaluate
[07:30] <MooDoo> at the end of the day for anyone that uses openssl, it's upgrade, reboot, re-issue certs. sorted lol
[07:31] <TrustyMatt> for my site, I'm not going to bother because it's only my details that can be compromised, but if you're an enterprise site, you gotta change yo' certs
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> just assume it's broken and get new software & certs. Yes it's a big hassle
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> re-issue of my certs was free.
[07:33] <TrustyMatt> yeah, fo' sure
[07:35] <MooDoo> yeah they should be free
[07:35] <TrustyMatt> they're free for rackspace customers, so I assume they're free everywhere
[07:35] <TrustyMatt> after all, you don't have to do all the identity stuff the second time around
[07:39] <MooDoo> hello JamesTait smittix
[07:39] <MooDoo> JamesTait: happy ubuntu release day :p
[07:40] <smittix> Morning!
[07:40] <TrustyMatt> morning guys
[07:41] <smittix> Feels like christmas
[07:41] <smittix> heh
[07:41] <TrustyMatt> because you're getting another free OS today?
[07:41] <smittix> Yeah
[07:41] <smittix> :D
[07:41] <nigelb> 30
[07:41] <nigelb> gah
[07:43] <TrustyMatt> it'll probably be fun tomorrow when new customers start running trusty cloud servers
[07:43] <TrustyMatt> I'm gonna spin up a couple and migrate stuff
[07:58] <nigelb> Morning JamesTait, Happy Almost Weekend Day :)
[07:59] <JamesTait> nigelb, Almost Holiday Day for me. ;)
[08:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:05] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[08:06] <bashrc> when is H-hour?
[08:06] <bigcalm> That's anybody's guess
[08:07] <bashrc> aha
[08:07] <bigcalm> What is H-hour? :)
[08:09] <nigelb> JamesTait: heh
[08:10] <bashrc> the time of the release
[08:10] <bigcalm> Ah, not happy hour then
[08:10] <bashrc> or... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-hour_%28D-day%29
[08:16] <bigcalm> 'blink' was just updated on my workstation
[08:16] <bigcalm> All I could think of was: don't
[08:29] <codecowboy> What do people use for building a simple network topology diagram? I want a simple tool to create a diagram of our various servers for new starters
[08:30] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:30] <codecowboy> morning
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> codecowboy: I use inkscape
[08:30] <codecowboy> MartijnVdS does it have a library of symbols with servers etc?
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> codecowboy: I think it has a few, and you can get more from openclipart
[08:31] <codecowboy> I think I used gliffy before and just found draw.io
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> http://asciiflow.com/ :P
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> codecowboy: you could use "dot" (graphviz) if you're feeling adventurous ;)
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> codecowboy: libreoffice draw does some visio like connector stuff.
[08:32] <codecowboy> MartijnVdS thanks. phpdocumentor uses that to make the class diagrams I think
[08:32] <codecowboy> TheOpenSourcerer thanks
[08:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:34] <MooDoo> czajkowski: morning
[08:34] <MooDoo> AlanBell: meeting go ok when I left last night?
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo czajkowski
[08:35] <czajkowski> how's everyone today?
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> ticketyboo :-D
[08:35] <AlanBell> MooDoo: yeah, but not enough people for decision making, will do that today with luck
[08:35] <czajkowski> 210 in my inbox
[08:35] <czajkowski> :(
[08:36] <czajkowski> not going to be a fun day at all
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> pah - lightweight.
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had ~700 emails to deal with yesterday
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Only went away for 10 days :-(
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> And was not off-grid entirely
[08:38] <bashrc> is it all spam?
[08:38] <MartijnVdS>  is it all business opportunities?
[08:38] <czajkowski> bashrc: nope
[08:39] <czajkowski> all work
[08:39] <czajkowski> 4 day weekend \o/
[08:39] <bashrc> hah.  that's why people should use irc more at work rather than email
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> This weekend I will mostly building my Polytunnel
[08:39] <popey> Mmorning
[08:39] <popey> -m
[08:39] <bashrc> for ephemeral stuff just use irc
[08:41] <bigcalm> codecowboy: try dia
[08:41] <bashrc> this weekend I'll install 14.04
[08:42] <bigcalm> Why wait? :D
[08:47] <czajkowski> no release party :(
[08:47] <TrustyMatt> nothing confirmed yet, no, but that doesn't mean there won't be something
[08:48] <czajkowski> grr fox is back >:(
[08:48]  * JamesTait has been running Trusty for 2 months today. \o/
[08:49] <JamesTait> czajkowski, what does the fox say?
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> nom nom.
[08:49] <JamesTait> Eating the chickens? :(
[08:49] <czajkowski> been tormenting them this morning
[08:50] <czajkowski> put it's face up against the run and wound up one of the hens
[08:50] <czajkowski> warm weather I guess bringing them out
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Here's a question... I want to do some [ahem] kiddy content filtering at home. I have a small server with 2 nics. Am thinking Squid/Dans Guardian. I can't find any decent howtos on the interwebs that aren't either a) really old, or b) not what I need. What do other peeps do?
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> not have kids :P
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bit late for that.
[08:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> My router (BT Homehub) has the dns hardcoded so I can't even just use OpenDNS
[08:53] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: opendns?
[08:53] <MooDoo> ah sorry lol
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> The solution needs to cater for PCs, ipods, pads etc...
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> Don't UK ISPs have kiddie filters anyway?
[08:54] <MooDoo> not quite yet
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, but I do not have control then.
[08:55] <MooDoo> I think i might have to start using opendns.
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:01] <dwatkins> TheOpenSourcerer: can you disable the router's DHCP server and run your own internally that gives out the OpenDNS family-friendly one?
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> dwatkins: This might be a possibility yes.
[09:02] <dwatkins> I have a Linksys router with the Tomato firmware as my DHCP server and secondary wifi router, works well.
[09:02] <dwatkins> You can set the SSID and wifi password the same on both, and have devices seamlessly move between them.
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> So then on my little server, should I route or bridge between eth0 and eth1
[09:02] <dwatkins> (my flat has thick walls)
[09:03] <dwatkins> you could bridge, that way everything would be on the same network - routing would result in a separate subnet, and re-encapsulation (therefore probably lower efficiency)
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> I have a TP-Link 4300 router connected to my fibre
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> it does the PPPoE and some VLAN stuff
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> yay openwrt ;)
[09:08] <dwatkins> I use the ISP-provided Netgear router as the internet-facing device, but it just routes and forwards a couple ports
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/news/cio-uk-tax-authority-open-source-massively-cost-effective
[09:47] <dwatkins> AlanBell recently linked to an article about the Chromebook becoming more and more popular, too: http://www.zdnet.com/linux-is-about-to-take-over-the-desktop-but-not-like-you-think-it-will-7000028417/
[09:48] <dwatkins> Since so many tools are web-based, I can see this being more likely for a lot of people who don't rely on proprietary software.
[09:55] <popey> uh
[09:55] <popey> the chromebook is almost entirely proprietary software
[09:55] <popey> i think maybe you mean "windows software" ☻
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: is it that much different from Chromium OS?
[09:56] <popey> i was more alluding to the webservices being proprietary
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> ah, yes. they are. Unless you run your own.
[09:56] <popey> the box itself is pretty useless without google and 3rd party apps
[09:56] <popey> indeed
[10:02] <AlanBell> I like the chromebook, I think it is for people who don't rely on local software
[10:03] <AlanBell> the thing is pretty locked down black box proprietary though
[10:04] <dwatkins> oh, I thought the Chromebook was mostly a browser.
[10:04] <AlanBell> it is
[10:05] <AlanBell> but the user accounts are googley and it is more integrated with googley cloud stuff than anything else
[10:05] <AlanBell> but, if what you want is a decent webkit browser that just works and nothing else at all matters ever, then it is OK
[10:06] <AlanBell> also, they have flash on ARM which basically works fine
[10:07] <dwatkins> I'm still puzzled as to why the OLPC failed. That would have been a really nice laptop for all sorts of reasons.
[10:15] <AlanBell> it was too slow, bit too fiddly and the software never got good
[10:15] <AlanBell> but it didn't entirely fail
[10:15] <dwatkins> ah ok
[10:16] <dwatkins> it sounded pretty neat in theory
[10:17] <TrustyMatt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10157166_10153998139085464_1615453754993821740_n.jpg finally got my racker flag!
[10:23] <SuperTrustyRacke> dammit
[10:24] <SuperTrustyMatt> that'll do
[10:24] <bigcalm> I keep reading it as SuperRusty
[10:24] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[10:30] <MooDoo> bigcalm: it's easy enough to get the lastest and greatest, just type yum upgrade and the shell :p
[10:31] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:32] <dwatkins> The program 'yum' is currently not installed.... (yeah, I'm running Ubuntu, not Fedora ;) )
[10:33] <popey> "greatest"
[10:35] <SuperTrustyMatt> popey: can you be the man that decides what pub we go to?
[10:35] <popey> Nope. I am not in london.
[10:35] <popey> So, let the community decide!
[10:35] <SuperTrustyMatt> darning
[10:35] <SuperTrustyMatt> *darnit
[10:36] <SuperTrustyMatt> that was the weirdest typo
[10:36] <MooDoo> popey: i was teasing obviously :)
[10:36] <SuperTrustyMatt> I could understand if I was on a phone...
[10:36] <MooDoo> dwatkins: try sudo apt-get install yum please, pretty please, it's a new command ;)
[10:37] <scotth-12> what time is release
[10:38] <popey> we dont specify a time
[10:38] <popey> never have
[10:38] <jussi> my day just got exponentially better
[10:38] <popey> except 10/10
[10:38] <popey> jussi: cake?
[10:38] <bigcalm> It's whenever you think it isn't
[10:38] <jussi> popey: the cake is a lie, you should know that
[10:38] <popey> true
[10:38] <bigcalm> A tasty lie
[10:39] <jussi> but no, I just "acquired" a bounty. Life is good.
[10:39] <bigcalm> A taste of paradise eh?
[10:40] <popey> mmmm coconut
[10:40] <jussi> a bounty, plus a bottle of "sima" (mead, non alcoholic).
[10:43] <bigcalm> Who did you pinch them off?
[10:43] <jussi> bigcalm: I exchanged them!
[10:43] <jussi> for some shiny things...
[10:45] <scotth-12> set my update to display immediately
[10:46] <popey> scotth-12: what release are you on at the moment?
[10:47] <scotth-12> 13.04
[10:47] <popey> I'd upgrade now, before the rush later ☻
[10:48] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[10:48] <bigcalm> Boo
[10:49] <bigcalm> Compressing 16gb mysql dump takes its time and is quite boring
[10:50] <JamesTait> It's funny, because there's a big banner on www.ubuntu.com touting "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, with OpenStack", but 14.04 isn't available yet. :)
[10:52] <JamesTait> The press release says 14.04 "is the platform for scale" and "is Ubuntu's third LTS release", but then goes on to say it "will be released on 17th April 2014".
[10:52] <jussi> JamesTait: always the same...
[10:52] <JamesTait> Slightly inconsistent.
[10:52] <jussi> every release, a few hours before
[10:53] <bashrc> I don't want scale
[10:53]  * jussi scales bashrc
[10:53] <bashrc> :(
[10:53] <JamesTait> bashrc, me neither, it stops my kettle from working and gets in my tea.
[10:53] <bashrc> its hard to remove
[10:55] <scotth-12> i got 3 computers to do and 6 laptop to do so going to download iso to 2 dvd and install them like that instead of using network boot
[10:56] <Dave2> Third LTS? 5th, surely.
[10:57] <popey> 4th?
[10:57] <popey> 6.06 was the first
[10:57] <Dave2> oh, LTS CLOUD
[10:57] <popey> 6, 8, 10, 12, 14
[10:57] <popey> oh, i cant count
[10:57] <Dave2> hah
[11:02] <dwatkins> I used to have problems with scale until I moved to Scotland.
[11:02] <scotth-12> i wonder if they have sorted out the amd crystal control center out
[11:09] <scotth-12> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=14.04.4&architecture=amd64
[11:11] <shauno> 04.4 ?
[11:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> still beta 2 http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[11:13] <scotth-12> no just got the link ready
[11:13] <scotth-12> for clicking
[11:13] <bigcalm> Is there any way to estimate the size for a compressed file base upon its content type?
[11:14] <awilkins> Text : about 90%
[11:14] <awilkins> Video : about 0%
[11:14] <awilkins> (size savings)
[11:15] <scotth-12> this link i reccon it going to be http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.0/ubuntu-14.04.0-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:15] <davmor2> awilkins: videos will compress by about 5%-20% depending on format
[11:15] <awilkins> !isitoutyet
[11:16] <bigcalm> This is a 15.4GB mysql dump. The compressed file is currently 128MB and rising
[11:17] <bigcalm> At 90%, that might mean a 1.54GB file?
[11:17] <scotth-12> bigcalm what you looking at to see that
[11:18] <bigcalm> ls -l
[11:18] <bigcalm> Well, -lh
[11:19] <scotth-12> kl
[11:21] <bigcalm> kl?
[11:22] <awilkins> bigcalm, Depends on the homogeneity of the data
[11:22] <awilkins> bigcalm, 10% is for English text, executable files, etc
[11:22] <awilkins> May squish smaller if it's pretty homogenous
[11:23] <awilkins> And some of the compression parameters
[11:44] <bigcalm> I'm thinking it would have been quicker to scp this 15.4GB file rather than compress it
[11:46] <shauno> scp -C ?
[11:56] <nigelb> 28
[11:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> 16
[11:57] <JamesTait> 42
[11:57] <MooDoo> 98?
[11:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's Numberwang!
[11:57] <MooDoo> lol
[11:58] <nigelb> bag
[11:58] <nigelb> bah
[12:00] <brobostigon> 42 :)
[12:12] <Dan_on_Holiday> Hello all. Just moved Father-in-Law from Win XP to Lubuntu but have a problem. If I have a .deb of a printer driver with a dependency on libtiff4, what do I need to do to install it in Lubuntu 14.04, given that libtiff4 is no longer in the repos..? Ta.
[12:12] <popey> hello Dan_on_Holiday
[12:12] <Dan_on_Holiday> hi popey
[12:12] <popey> libtiff4 is in ubuntu 14.04
[12:13] <popey> $ apt-cache search libtiff4
[12:13] <popey> libtiff4-dev - Tag Image File Format library (TIFF), transitional package
[12:13] <popey> libtiff4 - Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old version)
[12:13] <Dan_on_Holiday> hmmm... not what it said to me yesterday.. let me have another go!
[12:13] <popey> hit it with a stick, that helps
[12:14] <MooDoo> it's got to be a big one so that it gets scared thought
[12:14] <Dan_on_Holiday> Package libtiff4 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source  E: Package 'libtiff4' has no installation candidate
[12:15] <zleap> hello
[12:15] <popey> Dan_on_Holiday: hmm, i have it installed here...
[12:15] <popey> seems I have it from a previous release maybe
[12:15] <zleap> i am waiting for the website to be updated so I can download 14.04
[12:16] <popey> Dan_on_Holiday: you could get the deb from packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/libtiff4 ?
[12:16] <Myrtti> I wish I was a cat
[12:16] <Dan_on_Holiday> Oooh. New territory...  Learning all the time :)
[12:17] <popey> Dan_on_Holiday: so click either amd64 or i386 on that page, at the bottom
[12:17] <popey> then the mirror links on the resulting page will be .debs you can download and probably install with "sudo dpkg -i foo.deb"
[12:18] <Dan_on_Holiday> OK. Will do. Thanks...
[12:18]  * Dan_on_Holiday owes popey several pints now. Only ever pop in here when I'm stuck!
[12:19] <zleap> will check site later
[12:19] <zleap> cya
[12:19] <Dan_on_Holiday> seemed to work. Remind me how I check if it's installed?
[12:20] <popey> hehe
[12:20] <popey> apt-cache policy libtiff4
[12:20] <popey> will tell you version etc
[12:21] <Dan_on_Holiday> Thanks. It's there. And printer driver install script has worked too. yay!
[12:23] <popey> huzzah
[12:23] <popey> hope it all works out
[12:23] <Dan_on_Holiday> Thanks. Have to train father-in-law in new workflow now. That'll be tricky...
[12:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> !isitoutyet
[12:23] <Dan_on_Holiday> Cheers tho!
[12:23] <MooDoo> someone owes popey a beer on the rat :)
[12:24] <Dan_on_Holiday> Let me know when you're visiting Mr S on the Isle of Man next, and I'll buy you a beer.
[12:24] <popey> \o/ Beer!
[12:25] <Dan_on_Holiday> :)
[12:25]  * Dan_on_Holiday waves and exits
[12:25] <popey> Dan_on_Holiday: I rarely get over there. Malta is the next Island to visit
[12:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Malta - yawn.
[12:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Most miserable peeps I've ever met.
[12:25] <Dan_on_Holiday> popey: Fair enough. I'm on hols in London Mon-Thu next week...
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> And my missus wouldn't let me eat/order baby donkey
[12:27] <Dan_on_Holiday> TheOpenSourcerer: Baby Donkey sounds much more exotic than IoM national dish of chips, cheese & gravy !
[12:27] <Dan_on_Holiday> right must go and finish tweaking this install... Thanks all
[12:27] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: beats some of the places we usually go
[12:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dan_on_Holiday: Indeed, but my wife being a vegetarian and having gown up with Donkey's rather took umbrage at the idea :-(
[12:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh sorry - an aberrant apostrpphe.
[12:31] <dwatkins> Today I learned a new word, thanks TheOpenSourcerer.
[12:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - seems to work quite nicely with apostrophe I think.
[12:32] <dwatkins> alliteration, yes
[12:33] <SuperTrustyMatt> *sigh* still no word on the release party
[12:34] <MooDoo> SuperTrustyMatt: you creating one then?  perhaps you can do a g+ hangout party ;)
[12:36] <SuperTrustyMatt> well, I've emailed ubuntu-uk and no one has come back with any pub suggestions
[12:36] <SuperTrustyMatt> I wonder if I can get a hold of someone from canonical
[12:36] <popey> this is normal
[12:36] <popey> hello, i am someone from canonical
[12:36] <SuperTrustyMatt> popey: can you ask someone, somewhere in canonical to pick a pub for tonight?
[12:36] <popey> the way you organise things is a) organise it, b) tell people where it will be
[12:36] <popey> no
[12:36] <popey> you pick one ☻
[12:37] <SuperTrustyMatt> would you pass the word to canonical staff?
[12:37] <popey> then make a thing on loco.ubuntu.com and you're done.
[12:37] <popey> i can, yes.
[12:37] <SuperTrustyMatt> thanks
[12:37] <popey> share the loco.ubuntu.com thing about a bit
[12:40] <SuperTrustyMatt> calling a few pubs
[12:47] <MooDoo> wow ubuntu-release-party is manic, any one have any patience there......nope :D
[12:47] <SuperTrustyMatt> popey: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2789-trusty-release-party/
[12:47] <ali1234> wait the release is today?
[12:47] <MooDoo> ali1234: 0_o
[12:49] <SuperTrustyMatt> I've picked the lord nelson from 7 tonight because I could book a table
[12:58] <popey> /81/41]
[12:58] <popey> bah!
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> password reset time ;)
[13:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> !isitoutyet
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> .. and another 5 minute delay
[13:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[13:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> If we keep asking then we could force a delay until tomorrow ;-)
[13:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> A holiday in the UK - so it would slip into next week.
[13:06] <MooDoo> tuesday at the lest
[13:06] <MooDoo> leaset
[13:06] <bashrc> is it out yet?
[13:09] <awilkins> !isitoutyet
[13:10] <awilkins> Torrents are of course, the preferred downloady thing
[13:15] <awilkins> Booo, London-centric release party
[13:15] <awilkins> Where's the Manchester one?
[13:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> create one awilkins
[13:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Although it's probably  a bit late now.
[13:15]  * awilkins checks the usual suspects
[13:15] <awilkins> Will just go to the Python user group and insist they have an Ubuntu party instead
[13:15]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders about a launch party in his local tonight just for me ;-)
[13:15]  * awilkins may just have a quiet G&T at home
[13:15] <bigcalm> 254MB and still compressing
[13:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure Mrs TheOpenSourcerer will let me out again... Went to the pub last night too. :-(
[13:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> And just spent loads on a very nice holiday
[13:16] <bashrc> I think the canonical offices are in London
[13:18] <bashrc> but I would be up for a Manchester release party
[13:25] <ali1234> what's the name of that tool that lets you control windows from the command line? like minimize/maximize/positioning etc?
[13:25] <ali1234> wmctrl
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> devilspie
[13:26] <ali1234> that also looks cool
[13:29] <awilkins> Opinion gathering : MITM-attacking your employees HTTPS connections at the proxy - acceptible?
[13:29] <ali1234> depends on the company
[13:29] <ali1234> if you are a bank? sure
[13:29] <awilkins> Government org, but not high-security
[13:30] <ali1234> definitions of high-security differ. i would say yes for government
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> never acceptable imho
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> if you can't trust your employees with internet, don't give them access to it at all
[13:30] <awilkins> IMHO it introduces a larger security risk
[13:30] <ali1234> for employees it does
[13:31] <awilkins> For employer too
[13:31] <awilkins> Because the sysadmin can read all your authentication information
[13:31] <awilkins> And can thus impersonate users
[13:31] <dwatkins> I think in some countries, MITM-type snooping is illegal (German, probably)
[13:32] <dwatkins> Sometimes I get calls about reactivating accounts, German customers can't just open an ex-employee's mailbox for legal reasons
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> !isitoutyet
[13:34] <dwatkins> are we nearly there yet?
[13:34] <dwatkins> are we nearly there yet?
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: No, they're skipping the release.
[13:36] <MooDoo> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1411185242486356&set=a.1382444232027124.1073741829.100007846805553&type=1&theater
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: out of spite.
[13:38] <petee> Are the AWS AMI’s normally released at the same time as the ISO’s?
[13:41] <bigcalm> Is there a CLI command that'll give disk space usage?
[13:41] <awilkins> df
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> du -sh some_Dir
[13:41] <awilkins> df -h if you want it more human
[13:41] <bigcalm> Sorry, I meant where space has been used
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: du -sh *
[13:42] <bigcalm> Hummz, okay
[13:43] <bigcalm> Actually, du -sh * will do what I need.
[13:43] <bigcalm> Ta MartijnVdS
[13:44] <bigcalm> Yay, just freed 9 gig on this server
[13:44] <bigcalm> Hope my boss didn't need those files
[13:45] <awilkins> I cleared 270GB off a server the other day with a single shell command
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> 9G that's not a lot
[13:45] <awilkins> It was very satisfying
[13:46] <awilkins> Went from 95% disk usage to 30%
[13:47] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it was in one file
[13:47] <bigcalm> I'm still trying to free space
[13:48]  * MooDoo is getting frustrated in ubuntu-release-party so I'm not going in there again
[13:48] <MooDoo> ner ner ner ner ner
[13:49] <bigcalm> What will change between last night's `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` and the release this afternoon?
[13:53] <awilkins> Nominally, not much
[13:53] <awilkins> Everything should have been frozen for weeks, right?
[13:53] <SuperTrustyMatt> popey: did you manage to send around this link? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2789-trusty-release-party/
[13:54] <SuperTrustyMatt> at the moment I'm the only one going :(
[13:54] <popey> ah, didnt see it.
[13:54] <SuperTrustyMatt> I did send it out to ubuntu-uk
[13:54]  * popey does now
[13:54] <SuperTrustyMatt> thanks!
[13:54] <SuperTrustyMatt> There's a table booked at the Lord Nelson under my name
[13:56] <zleap> hello
[13:56] <SuperTrustyMatt> 'lo
[13:56] <zleap> is there an ETA for 14.04
[13:56] <zleap> ?
[13:56] <SuperTrustyMatt> !isitoutyet
[13:57] <SuperTrustyMatt> zleap: I hope that helps
[13:57] <zleap> thanks
[13:57] <MooDoo> SuperTrustyMatt: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1411185242486356&set=a.1382444232027124.1073741829.100007846805553&type=1&theater
[13:58] <zleap> i take it other related stuff like xubuntu is co-ordinated for simultaneous release
[13:58] <zleap> as lubuntu 14.04 isn't out either yet
[13:58] <SuperTrustyMatt> more or less, yes
[13:58] <zleap> ok
[13:58] <SuperTrustyMatt> there are no releases until they're all ready
[14:17] <bigcalm> Uploading at 350K/s :( I do look forward to moving house and getting FTTC
[14:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> !isitoutyet
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> !isitoutyet
[14:30] <SuperTrustyMatt> TheOpenSourcerer: are you coming tonight?
[14:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope. Sorry - I have a date with my GP's wife.
[14:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have to collect my 96 chilli plants she has kindly looked after for me whilst I was on holiday.
[14:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some of them looked like this when I went away: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-G9mULXGANqE/Uz-vJtUB7FI/AAAAAAAAPE8/q0lzg3N9Vbc/w1182-h887-no/20140405_081958.jpg
[14:43] <dv81> why does ubuntu log irc?
[14:43] <popey> why not?
[14:43] <zleap> dv81, probably so people can search logs for answers to questions and or produce faqs
[14:44] <dv81> lul
[14:44] <zleap> ?
[14:44] <dv81> such a poor reason
[14:44] <dv81> so much noise on IRC
[14:44] <popey> depends which channel.
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> also to have evidence in case of abuse/harassment/etc.?
[14:45] <dv81> i dunno, just kinda annoys me
[14:45] <dv81> loosing ownership of your data
[14:46] <zleap> dv81, why it hardly gets int eh way of anything does it
[14:46] <popey> lulz
[14:46] <popey> its public record
[14:46] <dv81> which i know, is a bit of an anathema on irc
[14:46] <dv81> still
[14:46] <popey> not all channels are logged
[14:46] <dv81> zleap: google sees everything
[14:46] <dv81> theres no robots.txt log site
[14:47] <dv81> on the*
[14:47] <zleap> i was just suggesting one reason a channel MAY be logged not THE reason
[14:47] <dv81> :)
[14:48] <dv81> Funny to think it some dude's job to trawl the logs to put together faqs
[14:48] <dv81> maybe a 2 year rolling history would be better
[14:48] <popey> I have trawled logs to extract data before.
[14:48] <zleap> you can write tools for it
[14:49] <popey> its also useful for meeting records.
[14:49] <zleap> or use grep
[14:49] <zleap> popey, good point
[14:50] <dv81> "curl -s http://somepage.com | grep whatever"
[14:50] <dv81> and pastebin it
[14:50] <dv81> could be annoying lol
[14:51] <zleap> as popey said goof for producing records of meetings
[14:51] <zleap> good
[14:51] <dv81> yeah
[14:52] <zleap> but sometimes there are specific channels set up for meetings
[14:52] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet | popey
[14:52] <bigcalm> Heh, that looks silly
[14:53] <dv81> i guess ubuntu doesnt agree with the right to be forgotten
[14:54] <dv81> but it is disclaimed.
[14:54] <bigcalm> dv81: you don't have to talk in any channel that is recorded
[14:54] <zleap> i would guess that if you go in to a meeting you are there FOR the meeting and just like with real world meetings you have someone takes minutes
[14:54]  * davmor2 drives over to bigcalm slaps him with a kipper and drives back
[14:55] <zleap> dv81, probably in the freenode terms somewhere
[14:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: you could have brought some food with you. Slacker
[14:55] <davmor2> I did I left the kipper
[14:55] <bigcalm> Nice
[14:55] <zleap> lol
[14:56] <dv81> all true.
[14:56] <popey> You also don't have to use your real name
[14:57] <dv81> true
[14:57] <dv81> only sane option really
[14:59] <zleap>  /me wonders if GCHQ and the NSA have access to irc logs
[14:59] <bigcalm> It's plain text, no reason why they shouldn't
[14:59] <ali1234> why do you think there are so many idlers on every channel?
[15:00] <JamesTait> ali1234, who are you calling idle? :-P
[15:00] <davmor2> JamesTait: if the cap fits
[15:00] <zleap> exactly so if they want, they can log it, here,  regardless of if the room is logged at the server level
[15:01]  * popey notes davmor2 is probably the only one here currently wearing a cap
[15:01]  * JamesTait gets popcorn
[15:01] <ali1234> !isitoutyet
[15:02] <zleap> so how much will a ubuntu tablet set me back
[15:03] <popey> they dont exist yet, so save your money ☻
[15:04] <zleap> ok
[15:04] <zleap> i know theya re not out yet, but maybe there is some sort of speculation as to cost
[15:06] <SuperTrustyMatt> I'm still the only person going tonight :'(
[15:07] <davmor2> popey: no I only wear a cap out indoors I my costa rica hat that elopio brought us http://davmor2.co.uk/~davmor2/costa-rica.jpg
[15:07] <popey> hehe
[15:08] <popey> SuperTrustyMatt: was passed round at work
[15:08] <SuperTrustyMatt> thanks dude
[15:08] <popey> SuperTrustyMatt: often times people don't bother signing up, but just arrive
[15:08] <dv81> zleap: ebay a first edition Nexus 7, i guess
[15:08] <zleap> ok
[15:08] <davmor2> popey: or my cyberman headset :)
[15:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: you look like you need some sleep
[15:10] <davmor2> popey: that wasn't a horrible picture considering it was on UT on the N4 face side camera
[15:10] <popey> indeed
[15:10] <popey> zleap: nope, dont do that
[15:10] <popey> first edition nexus 7 not supported
[15:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: midnight is a good time to knock off work right
[15:11] <bigcalm> The guys woulnd't let me work at the LUG last night
[15:11] <zleap> popey, i just looked at the spec requirements
[15:11] <popey> nexus 4, nexus 7 (2013) and nexus 10 are devices we currently support
[15:12] <SuperTrustyMatt> popey: that's all right then :)
[15:13] <SuperTrustyMatt> if no one is there, I'll just go straight home cos it's on my way
[15:20] <bigcalm> SuperTrustyMatt: so you're expecting others to be there before you are?
[15:21] <zleap> popey, so is the idea to install ubuntu on these devices and or buy pre-installed
[15:21] <bigcalm> Has release ever been so late in the day?
[15:21] <popey> at the moment you can install on those devices
[15:21] <popey> i used to have a doc somewhere with all the release times in UTC listed
[15:22] <zleap> ok
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> !isitoutyet
[15:24] <locodir-user> https://www.facebook.com/system76
[15:31] <xaro> Hey all
[15:31] <SuperTrustyMatt> the answer is probably no, not yet
[15:32] <bigcalm> :)
[15:32] <SuperTrustyMatt> bigcalm: I'm only expecting to be like 15 minutes late ;)
[15:32] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qfkhek27kvub51f/IMG_20140417_162156.jpg
[15:32] <daftykins> mmm tidy desk
[15:32] <philwyett> You can lookup status on QA for the final here. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds
[15:32] <bigcalm> daftykins: will it last?
[15:33] <daftykins> yes!
[15:33] <daftykins> :D
[15:33] <bigcalm> daftykins: I'd find it uncomfortable to look at an angle all day long
[15:33] <SuperTrustyMatt> daftykins: snap on the speakers
[15:33] <SuperTrustyMatt> my desk at work is quite tidy because we don't deal with much paper here at rackspace
[15:33] <daftykins> i originally thought that but you actually don't notice because it's so subtle
[15:33] <daftykins> plus you rotate the chair
[15:34] <bigcalm> I don't need to re-post my mess :)
[15:35] <daftykins> ooh please do
[15:35] <SuperTrustyMatt> bigcalm: re-has it ever been release so late in the day, I think quantal was released at 17:30
[15:35] <daftykins> what i originally thought was that gaming would be really odd, since it'd be up on one screen mainly of course
[15:35] <bashrc> !isitoutyet
[15:37] <bigcalm> daftykins: taken at xmas time just after my yearly tidy and vacuum: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/414480294205734912
[15:37] <bigcalm> Doesn't look so bad that day
[15:38] <bigcalm> Looking at the desktop background, I had booted into Windows. I guess to play games
[15:38] <daftykins> no way a samsung 193P ?!
[15:39] <bigcalm> A what?
[15:39] <daftykins> ah no LG something or other
[15:39] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:39] <daftykins> that LCD in the centre looks a lot like my first ever LCD which is just up on a shelf here :>
[15:39] <bigcalm> 2 x 22" Dell. 1 x 22" LG. 1 x 15" LG
[15:39] <daftykins> :>
[15:40] <zleap> u got 4 monitors ,
[15:40] <bigcalm> Argos catalogues - best monitor raisers that money can't buy
[15:40] <bigcalm> zleap: this is true
[15:40] <zleap> looks good
[15:40] <daftykins> the big money in displays definitely seems to go into the stands
[15:40] <zleap> bigcalm, i may try that, good idea use old catalogues
[15:41] <daftykins> these Dell 2408's crank up quite nicely
[15:42] <bigcalm> Read that as 2048 and now want to play the game
[15:42] <bigcalm> And I have also now just lost The Game
[15:42] <bigcalm> Arse
[15:43] <bigcalm> To see the usual mess: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/303095108872585216
[15:43]  * bigcalm notes that his pink highlighter has gone missing
[15:43] <daftykins> a client has that logitech trackball
[15:44] <daftykins> so funny when he asks me why it's right clicking instead of left, glance over and he's got his hand placed wrong D:
[15:44] <zleap> bigcalm, that looks tidy compared to my desk
[15:44] <bigcalm> This the accompanying blog post: http://www.myrant.net/2013/02/17/multi-screen-with-ubuntu-unity/
[15:45] <daftykins> haha specs link
[15:45] <daftykins> classic
[15:46] <philwyett> 14.04 has hit the release server. ;-)
[15:46] <zleap> whooo
[15:46] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[15:46] <zleap> iwill wait a how or so before trying to download
[15:47] <daftykins> haha, an hour won't change a thing
[15:47] <daftykins> but just grab the torrent maybe.
[15:47] <bigcalm> zleap: wait a day or so
[15:47] <zleap> ok
[15:47] <bigcalm> zleap: or use a mirror
[15:47] <bigcalm> zleap: or just enjoy a slow download :)
[15:47] <zleap> i will use a mirror usually find a uk one
[15:49] <zleap> i can find that site that lists all the isos, and other bits, inc md5sums and then write a shell script to wget what i want
[15:50] <zleap> like here http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/
[15:50] <zleap> ok that is for xubumtu
[15:50] <zleap> but i can use the urls in the script
[16:05]  * daftykins jumps on a server 32-bit torrent
[16:05] <daftykins> that was speedy
[16:05] <shauno> 32bit?!
[16:06] <dv81> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:06] <dv81> g0g0g0g0g
[16:06] <daftykins> yeah :D i often VM with sub 1GB RAM so no reason to run 64-bit
[16:07] <scotth-12> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:07] <shauno> I tend to stick with 64bit even in my VMs.  just makes it tidier to use the same spin everywhere
[16:09] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[16:09] <zleap> ok looks like the download page isn't updated yet
[16:09] <dv81> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:09] <dv81> its out
[16:09] <dv81> torrenting now
[16:12] <zleap> is this the right command to check md5sums against isos
[16:12] <zleap> md5sum -c MD5SUMS
[16:12] <bigcalm> Love the 1st comment on the press release page "there is no 14.04 yet!!!
[16:12] <bigcalm> it's just 13.10 and 12.04 available to download and it's about 6am in london
[16:12] <bigcalm> why???"
[16:13] <daftykins> zleap: plenty of guides online
[16:13] <zleap> ok
[16:14] <bigcalm> zleap: I just do it visually
[16:14] <zleap> ok
[16:19] <zleap> bigcalm, yeah i have done it manually too
[16:19] <zleap> works both ways
[16:49] <bashrc> it's out http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/
[16:49] <shauno> are we there yet?
[16:50] <daftykins> yeah i'm seeding desktop right now
[16:50] <daftykins> and it's just about to finish installing in a VM
[16:50] <bashrc> I'll download it later
[16:51] <daftykins> how come? torrents are fine :>
[16:54] <bashrc> well I'm going to eat, do random stuff and then get back to teh interwebs
[17:46] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[17:46] <bigcalm> Wow
[17:46] <bigcalm> I wonder if there will be a release today or not
[17:46] <daftykins> well, the images are up, whether they're the ones or not
[17:47] <daftykins> so it doesn't really matter whether the word is official or not
[17:47] <bigcalm> ubuntu.com hasn't been updated though
[17:47] <daftykins> that's not much of a distinction though hey? :)
[17:50] <philwyett> If it's not out. I download then uploaded a gig via torrent of something that thinks it's the 64 bit 14.04 desktop. ;-)
[17:50] <daftykins> :D
[17:50] <popey> plenty of time ☻
[17:57] <daftykins> we have all... the time... in the world ~
[18:00] <bashrc> Ubuntu Y U no out?
[18:00] <daftykins> because you asked
[18:01] <daftykins> :(
[18:03] <davmor2> bashrc: cause it isn't durrrr
[18:04] <davmor2> philwyett: but it isn't out yet
[18:04] <ging_> when you say it's not out yet does that mean it's no in the repos but you can download the iso ?
[18:05] <daftykins> it's out now
[18:05] <ging> if not i have no idea what i am downloading
[18:05] <ging> oh you already said that
[18:05] <ging> the images are up
[18:06] <ging> i guess they could get yanked and replaced with newer ones
[18:06] <philwyett> davmor2: Things are out when my Mrs has it installed on her laptop and is already moaning about a 'feature'. ;-)
[18:07] <davmor2> philwyett: No really it isn't :D
[18:09] <philwyett> davmor2: Cool. Can someone change the user accounts gui to stop saying passwords for accounts are not good enough and won't let you continue. ;-)
[18:10] <davmor2> philwyett: Erm no otherwise people put easily crackable passwords and then everyone suffers
[18:11] <daftykins> philwyett: you'll have to stop using 'password' !
[18:11] <philwyett> :-)
[18:14]  * popey looks at dutchie with his easily crackable password on ubuntu uk wordpress instance leading to viagra spam ☹
[18:15] <ging> how do you know it's not his true interests?
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> http://opensslrampage.org/
[18:21]  * philwyett grabs the latest podcast. This one has cake.
[18:32] <awilkins> !isitoutyet
[18:33] <popey> cake!
[18:33] <ging> !cake
[18:34] <ging> why doesn't it say the cake is a lie like in another channel i'm in?
[18:35] <philwyett> Bots here know which side their cake is creamed on.
[18:36] <ging> the middle?
[18:38] <davmor2> ging: because the cake on a party channel is true not lie :P
[18:38] <AlanBell> !cake-#ubuntu-offtopic
[18:39] <AlanBell> !pie-#ubuntu-offtopic
[18:39] <AlanBell> gosh
[18:39] <daftykins> i think i picked an ideal weekend to go away.
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Raspberry Pi? ;)
[18:39] <ging> how can the cake be a pie? if it's a pie then it's not a cake
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: how's that project progressing? :)
[18:39] <ging> unless it's made by pringles or something and they are trying to dodge tax
[18:40] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: slowly, like everything I have been trying to do for the last few months :(
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: :(
[18:41] <AlanBell> going to grab the trusty archives now and work on it this weekend
[18:44] <davmor2> popey: oh nice second part of broken sword got release today they timed it to coincide with the big release :)
[18:49] <popey> davmor2: well thats the weekend sorted ☻
[18:49] <bashrc> installed 14.04!
[18:50] <bashrc> I notice that the global menu remains the default
[18:50] <davmor2> popey: no I know what my weekend is going to entail and fun doesn't enter into it :(
[18:50] <popey> hope that goes okay dude.
[18:50] <bashrc> so by default you still have to play the "which window does this menu belong to?" game
[18:51] <popey> bashrc: so turn it off?
[18:51] <bashrc> yes I just have
[18:51] <popey> problem gone..
[18:51] <bashrc> it is nice to have the menus back where they belong
[18:52] <popey> +1
[18:52] <popey> makes sloppy focus work well too
[18:52] <bashrc> I'm wondering how to get the minimize on click behavior
[18:52] <popey> which I *love*
[18:52] <popey> install ccsm
[18:52] <popey> its an option in there
[18:52] <bashrc> ok
[18:53] <bashrc> ccsm?
[18:53] <AlanBell> compiz-config-settingsmanager
[18:54] <bashrc> ah
[18:54] <AlanBell> possibly different hyphen configuration
[18:54] <AlanBell> !ccsm
[18:54] <AlanBell> !info ccsm
[18:55] <AlanBell> ooh, that needs tweaking
[18:58] <popey> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[18:59] <bashrc> woohoo it worked
[19:00] <bashrc> I think that minimise behavior should be there by default.  Makes it easy to hide applications you're not currently using
[19:00] <SuperEngineer> Anyone found any probs with Steam under 14.04?
[19:01]  * SuperEngineer crosses fingers - hopes for same answer as expected... "nope"
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: no probs here
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: been playing FTL for hours this week ;)
[19:02] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: whoopee
[19:02] <SuperEngineer> :)
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> FTL is such awesome
[19:14] <mapps> hm
[19:15] <mapps> how can i mount a linux dir on my windows machine
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> mapps: using the samba server on the linux machine
[19:18] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Not if they're the same machine.
[19:19] <mapps> ah ok i dont need anything special on windows then
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> jpds: unless one of them's a VM ;)
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> (or both)
[19:40] <diddledan> `sudo do-release-upgrade` isn't showing the new version as stable yet
[19:40] <diddledan> maybe it's 'cos I've got saucy updates pending
[19:41] <diddledan> `sudo apt-get upgrade`
[20:00] <bigcalm> Am I missing something, or is it not recommended to upgrade 13.10 to 14.04 yet?
[20:00] <bigcalm> I've had to run `update-manager -d` to get it to see 14.04. But doing so greets me with "Welcome to the Ubuntu 'Trusty Tahr' development release"
[20:21] <diddledan> bigcalm: I'm seeing the same
[20:32] <Laney> That isn't enabled yet
[20:32] <Laney> Users of Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.10 will be offered an automatic upgrade to
[20:32] <Laney> 14.04 LTS via Update Manager shortly. Users of 12.04 LTS will be
[20:32] <Laney> offered the automatic upgrade when 14.04.1 LTS is released, which is
[20:32] <Laney> scheduled for July 24th.
[20:34] <diddledan> Laney: is there any idea how long the delay will be for 13.10 update manager to enable the upgrade path?
[20:35] <Laney> Soon
[20:36] <diddledan> heh
[20:36] <diddledan> "how long is a piece of string?" :-p
[20:36] <Laney> A pretty short string
[20:36] <Laney> Extra mirrors are being brought up before doing that
[20:37] <diddledan> still it's a crazy question of mine that doesn't really have a finite answer I would guess
[20:37] <diddledan> "when it's ready" would be appropriate of an answer
[20:37] <Laney> When the people doing the things finish doing the things
[20:37] <diddledan> lol
[20:37] <Laney> Not being a person it's hard to say
[20:37] <Laney> :(
[20:38]  * Laney barks
[20:38] <diddledan> I hate that, too, not being a person
[20:38] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[20:38] <bigcalm> :|
[20:39] <Laney> arf arf
[20:43] <bigcalm> Laney: tomorow, weekend, next week?
[20:43] <Laney> It's being worked on now
[20:43]  * bigcalm becomes unreasonably demanding for no reason
[20:47] <bigcalm> Maybe I'm just bored
[21:08] <Laney> Ruddy EDF emailed me to tell me to log in and read a 'secure message' but it's not there
[21:08]  * Laney charges them for the time wasted
[21:26] <daftykins> Laney: ooh-err, legit email? didn't follow links in it? D:
[21:27] <Laney> no
[21:27] <Laney> I went to the browser and opened up my.edf-energy.com
[21:27] <Laney> the subject was "Sorry you're leaving us" which is a true fact so I believe it's real
[21:37] <markie-> 99/exit
[21:44] <dutchie> popey: er
[21:45] <dutchie> don't even recall having an account on that
[21:46] <szymon_g> hi
[21:46] <szymon_g> if I wanna install ubuntu on the computer with uefi on, do I have to download version for mac or will the normal 64 bit version suffice?
[21:47] <diddledan> szymon_g: I believe the mac version is tailored to older broken mac efi implementations - the normal release should be fine for a pc (non-mac)
[21:48] <diddledan> most modern macs can work on the normal release now, too afaik
[21:48] <szymon_g> thanks, diddledan. what's the easiest idiot-proof way to burn an image on usb stick (in the way it would work in already mentioned mode)?
[21:49] <daftykins> 'dd'
[21:49] <diddledan> good question - I heard rumour that you can just use dd (if you're on linux already) or rawwritewin (windows)
[21:50] <szymon_g> daftykins: I meant: for windows
[21:57] <daftykins> szymon_g: universal USB installer from pendrivelinux.com would be your friendliest approach i'd say
[21:58] <diddledan> daftykins: does that run in efi-mode?
[21:58] <daftykins> do you mean, will it create a flash drive that can boot EFI style?
[21:59] <diddledan> yes
[21:59] <daftykins> pretty sure all that's relevant for EFI boot is the use of FAT on the flash drive and the presence of the image in /boot upon it
[21:59] <daftykins> so if it's in the ISO, it's all good
[22:17] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:17] <daftykins> hi
[22:18] <MooDoo> how are you daftykins ?
[22:19] <daftykins> not bad ty, pretty tired from cleaning a lot though :>
[22:20] <daftykins> and yu?
[22:20] <daftykins> +o
[22:20] <MooDoo> yeah I'm ok :D
[22:50] <diddledan> and this is why I maintain a decent amount of furr: http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/photos/22-comics-explain-what-beards-are-all-about