=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:36] czajkowski: oddly enough, Google Hangouts works just fine in Firefox, prompting the reinstallation of the plugin only on Chrome [05:44] works on older chromium too [05:53] ,p [05:54] morning [05:57] hello all [05:58] o/ [05:59] release day seems like an excellent day to avoid IRC [06:00] especially #ubuntu :p [06:00] indeed :( [06:00] omw. never seen it so bad [06:01] lol why [06:01] every 5 seconds: "when's it out?!" [06:02] just don't join #ubuntu-release-party [06:02] no not that mad. [06:02] nope, never gonna do that! [06:02] I used to be in release-party for every release [06:02] those were the days [06:03] I remember when I were a lad ;) [06:03] did you run a client with joins and parts hidden? ;) [06:03] nah, it's all part of the fun. [06:03] daftykins: I used to be there every release also, with joins/parts ON! [06:03] "It'll all join to be parts of the fun" [06:04] *runs* [06:04] * daftykins chases with an outdated ubuntu CD [06:05] I used to be in a lot of channels. [06:05] I used to be in 150. [06:05] * nigelb is glad he's under 40 or so channels now. [06:05] I wasn't quite so hardcore [06:06] i forget people and i'm only in 9 [06:06] I haven't parted a few channels becaue it would break my muscle memory for other channels :\ [06:06] hm [06:07] well [06:07] that was nice [06:07] a new favourite sandwich from tesco:D [06:07] chicken, pepperoni and cheddar..yum [06:07] O_O [06:08] that sounds like an accident [06:08] lol [06:08] its so nice [06:08] i normally get egg and bacon.bit they didnt have it [06:08] so like OMG i had to do something different [06:08] O_o [06:09] mapps: O M G ;) [06:09] :D [06:09] Whens Ubuntu 14.04 released then ;) [06:09] * MooDoo ducks and runs [06:10] lol [06:10] MooDoo: you've dropped your identification btw. [06:11] thanks Myrtti [06:11] :) [06:11] i hope jj is on [06:12] mapps: get out now [06:12] ;) [06:13] lol [06:13] you know what i mean:D [06:13] its so good [06:15] mapps: how are holiday plans going? [06:16] gah it isnt on [06:16] waiting for my friend to give me dates [06:16] keep asking but he hasnt said [06:16] :( [06:16] omg why did I join #ubuntu-release-party lol [06:16] LOL [06:16] that bad? [06:16] this is MooDoo right now: @_@ [06:17] shouldve got 2 sandwiches [06:17] 1 fo when i get up [06:17] gah [06:17] next time..i wasnt sure i'd like it [06:17] you know it's tough times when you're snacking on what was meant to be the next meal [06:17] daftykins: I use irssi so my channel numbers are light when there is a conversation I just don't know which one to read first lol [06:18] heh [06:18] well [06:18] going out tonight [06:18] so gotta have lotsa food first [06:18] dont wanna get too drunk..and i haveform [06:18] like every day of the last 10 years;p [06:18] MooDoo: yeah same, i just dance across them playing 'whack-a-mole' [06:19] hopefully going Stoke v Spurs next saturday [06:19] il be cheering spurs on..in the stoke end tho [06:19] lol [06:19] mapps: good results for arsenal and liverpool last night... [06:20] yea [06:20] saw 2-2 city..i had radio on no pics:( [06:20] no pics anywhere afaik [06:20] i watched barca v real and the palace game [06:20] palace did well... [06:20] while doing #'work' [06:20] ;) [06:21] thats why ils tuggle in a normal job [06:21] im doing my job and watching the barca game..and palace and tennis [06:21] and iy still feels like im working [06:21] lol [06:22] well, i'm gonna run away from your football talk :P later all \o [06:22] cya mate [06:22] i was watching baseball too:P [06:22] for my actual work [06:23] i'll leave you with a fine picture of Guernsey from the air that i just happened to dig up [06:23] https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6pp5eqwwlwhyn5/IMG_20120308_180051.jpg [06:23] nothing like seeing your entire home in one view [06:24] daftykins: I'm saving for a quad copter and with my go pro I'll do the same one day for my house :D lol [06:34] MooDoo: with a proper gimbal mount? :) [06:34] MartijnVdS: no can't afford that one lol going for the static mount one lol [06:35] MooDoo: then the images will be shaky [06:35] MooDoo: the quadcopters with proper gimbals are getting cheaper though [06:35] MartijnVdS: yeah probably, I need to do a bit more research, but I'm looking at the dji phantoms. [06:36] MooDoo: that's what the guys at tested.com were raving about [06:36] MooDoo: http://www.tested.com/tech/460662-testing-dji-phantom-vision-quadcopter-drone/ [06:37] MartijnVdS: yeah i'd love that one but can't afford it, so thinking about the phantom 2 [06:39] http://xkcd.com/941/ [06:40] fab lol [06:46] morning all. Is it out yet? [06:47] oh is it that day? :) === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc [06:47] I think so [06:48] lol [06:54] #isitoutyet? [06:54] every time you ask, it gets delayed another 5 mintues [06:55] * nigelb sets +b on TheOpenSourcerer [06:55] Mornin' [06:55] when is H-hour? [06:58] * MooDoo slaps TheOpenSourcerer ;) lol [07:14] morning all [07:14] Morning all [07:15] happy release day [07:15] jynx [07:15] :P [07:15] I hope everyone is looking forward to this afternoon [07:19] who's coming tonight === SuperMatt is now known as TrustyMatt [07:21] I won't be :( [07:21] I'm looking forward to this afternoon meaning a long weekend :P [07:21] I'm in work tomorrow [07:21] because some idiot has to cover [07:22] TrustyMatt: yeah same for us here, but luckily it's all volunteered. [07:23] TrustyMatt: where you work TrustyMatt ? [07:23] where do *I* work? Rackspace! [07:24] why else would he be trusty? ;) [07:25] I thought everyone knew I worked as a racker [07:26] it's a racket [07:26] TrustyMatt = supermatt? [07:26] yup yup [07:27] TrustyMatt: that's why people are getting confused :p [07:27] I changed the name mot 7 minutes ago [07:27] *not [07:27] * MooDoo missed that lol [07:27] I kinda figured people would quickly work it out [07:27] considering it's trusty day and all [07:28] TrustyMatt: ah it all clicks into place, I need more coffee :D [07:28] TrustyMatt: still getting kicked with heartbleed? [07:28] naw, not any more [07:28] it seems to have subsided [07:29] I bet a load of people still haven't fixed their certs though [07:29] hell of a lot. [07:30] because security? meh! [07:30] it's a tricky one to evaluate [07:30] at the end of the day for anyone that uses openssl, it's upgrade, reboot, re-issue certs. sorted lol [07:31] for my site, I'm not going to bother because it's only my details that can be compromised, but if you're an enterprise site, you gotta change yo' certs [07:31] just assume it's broken and get new software & certs. Yes it's a big hassle [07:31] re-issue of my certs was free. [07:33] yeah, fo' sure [07:35] yeah they should be free [07:35] they're free for rackspace customers, so I assume they're free everywhere [07:35] after all, you don't have to do all the identity stuff the second time around [07:39] hello JamesTait smittix [07:39] JamesTait: happy ubuntu release day :p [07:40] Morning! [07:40] morning guys [07:41] Feels like christmas [07:41] heh [07:41] because you're getting another free OS today? [07:41] Yeah [07:41] :D [07:41] 30 [07:41] gah [07:43] it'll probably be fun tomorrow when new customers start running trusty cloud servers [07:43] I'm gonna spin up a couple and migrate stuff [07:58] Morning JamesTait, Happy Almost Weekend Day :) [07:59] nigelb, Almost Holiday Day for me. ;) [08:05] Good morning peeps :) [08:05] !isitoutyet [08:05] Not yet! It's due out some time on the 17th :) [08:06] when is H-hour? [08:06] That's anybody's guess [08:07] aha [08:07] What is H-hour? :) [08:09] JamesTait: heh [08:10] the time of the release [08:10] Ah, not happy hour then [08:10] or... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-hour_%28D-day%29 [08:16] 'blink' was just updated on my workstation [08:16] All I could think of was: don't === popey_ is now known as popey [08:29] What do people use for building a simple network topology diagram? I want a simple tool to create a diagram of our various servers for new starters [08:30] Morning all [08:30] morning [08:30] codecowboy: I use inkscape [08:30] MartijnVdS does it have a library of symbols with servers etc? [08:30] codecowboy: I think it has a few, and you can get more from openclipart [08:31] I think I used gliffy before and just found draw.io [08:31] http://asciiflow.com/ :P [08:31] codecowboy: you could use "dot" (graphviz) if you're feeling adventurous ;) [08:31] codecowboy: libreoffice draw does some visio like connector stuff. [08:32] MartijnVdS thanks. phpdocumentor uses that to make the class diagrams I think [08:32] TheOpenSourcerer thanks [08:34] aloha [08:34] czajkowski: morning [08:34] AlanBell: meeting go ok when I left last night? [08:34] lo czajkowski [08:35] how's everyone today? [08:35] ticketyboo :-D [08:35] MooDoo: yeah, but not enough people for decision making, will do that today with luck [08:35] 210 in my inbox [08:35] :( [08:36] not going to be a fun day at all [08:36] pah - lightweight. [08:36] I had ~700 emails to deal with yesterday [08:36] Only went away for 10 days :-( [08:36] And was not off-grid entirely [08:38] is it all spam? [08:38] is it all business opportunities? [08:38] bashrc: nope [08:39] all work [08:39] 4 day weekend \o/ [08:39] hah. that's why people should use irc more at work rather than email [08:39] This weekend I will mostly building my Polytunnel [08:39] Mmorning [08:39] -m [08:39] for ephemeral stuff just use irc [08:41] codecowboy: try dia [08:41] this weekend I'll install 14.04 [08:42] Why wait? :D [08:47] no release party :( [08:47] nothing confirmed yet, no, but that doesn't mean there won't be something [08:48] grr fox is back >:( [08:48] * JamesTait has been running Trusty for 2 months today. \o/ [08:49] czajkowski, what does the fox say? [08:49] nom nom. [08:49] Eating the chickens? :( [08:49] been tormenting them this morning [08:50] put it's face up against the run and wound up one of the hens [08:50] warm weather I guess bringing them out [08:52] Here's a question... I want to do some [ahem] kiddy content filtering at home. I have a small server with 2 nics. Am thinking Squid/Dans Guardian. I can't find any decent howtos on the interwebs that aren't either a) really old, or b) not what I need. What do other peeps do? [08:52] not have kids :P [08:52] Bit late for that. [08:53] My router (BT Homehub) has the dns hardcoded so I can't even just use OpenDNS [08:53] TheOpenSourcerer: opendns? [08:53] ah sorry lol [08:54] The solution needs to cater for PCs, ipods, pads etc... [08:54] Don't UK ISPs have kiddie filters anyway? [08:54] not quite yet [08:54] Yes, but I do not have control then. [08:55] I think i might have to start using opendns. [09:00] morning boys and girls. [09:00] morning brobostigon [09:00] morning MooDoo [09:01] TheOpenSourcerer: can you disable the router's DHCP server and run your own internally that gives out the OpenDNS family-friendly one? [09:01] dwatkins: This might be a possibility yes. [09:02] I have a Linksys router with the Tomato firmware as my DHCP server and secondary wifi router, works well. [09:02] You can set the SSID and wifi password the same on both, and have devices seamlessly move between them. [09:02] So then on my little server, should I route or bridge between eth0 and eth1 [09:02] (my flat has thick walls) [09:03] you could bridge, that way everything would be on the same network - routing would result in a separate subnet, and re-encapsulation (therefore probably lower efficiency) [09:07] I have a TP-Link 4300 router connected to my fibre [09:07] it does the PPPoE and some VLAN stuff [09:07] yay openwrt ;) [09:08] I use the ISP-provided Netgear router as the internet-facing device, but it just routes and forwards a couple ports [09:27] https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/news/cio-uk-tax-authority-open-source-massively-cost-effective [09:47] AlanBell recently linked to an article about the Chromebook becoming more and more popular, too: http://www.zdnet.com/linux-is-about-to-take-over-the-desktop-but-not-like-you-think-it-will-7000028417/ [09:48] Since so many tools are web-based, I can see this being more likely for a lot of people who don't rely on proprietary software. [09:55] uh [09:55] the chromebook is almost entirely proprietary software [09:55] i think maybe you mean "windows software" ☻ [09:55] popey: is it that much different from Chromium OS? [09:56] i was more alluding to the webservices being proprietary [09:56] ah, yes. they are. Unless you run your own. [09:56] the box itself is pretty useless without google and 3rd party apps [09:56] indeed [10:02] I like the chromebook, I think it is for people who don't rely on local software [10:03] the thing is pretty locked down black box proprietary though [10:04] oh, I thought the Chromebook was mostly a browser. [10:04] it is [10:05] but the user accounts are googley and it is more integrated with googley cloud stuff than anything else [10:05] but, if what you want is a decent webkit browser that just works and nothing else at all matters ever, then it is OK [10:06] also, they have flash on ARM which basically works fine [10:07] I'm still puzzled as to why the OLPC failed. That would have been a really nice laptop for all sorts of reasons. [10:15] it was too slow, bit too fiddly and the software never got good [10:15] but it didn't entirely fail [10:15] ah ok [10:16] it sounded pretty neat in theory [10:17] https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10157166_10153998139085464_1615453754993821740_n.jpg finally got my racker flag! === TrustyMatt is now known as SuperTrustyRacke [10:23] dammit === SuperTrustyRacke is now known as SuperTrustyMatt [10:24] that'll do [10:24] I keep reading it as SuperRusty [10:24] !isitoutyet [10:24] No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [10:30] bigcalm: it's easy enough to get the lastest and greatest, just type yum upgrade and the shell :p [10:31] Heh [10:32] The program 'yum' is currently not installed.... (yeah, I'm running Ubuntu, not Fedora ;) ) [10:33] "greatest" [10:35] popey: can you be the man that decides what pub we go to? [10:35] Nope. I am not in london. [10:35] So, let the community decide! [10:35] darning [10:35] *darnit [10:36] that was the weirdest typo [10:36] popey: i was teasing obviously :) [10:36] I could understand if I was on a phone... [10:36] dwatkins: try sudo apt-get install yum please, pretty please, it's a new command ;) [10:37] what time is release [10:38] we dont specify a time [10:38] never have [10:38] my day just got exponentially better [10:38] except 10/10 [10:38] jussi: cake? [10:38] It's whenever you think it isn't [10:38] popey: the cake is a lie, you should know that [10:38] true [10:38] A tasty lie [10:39] but no, I just "acquired" a bounty. Life is good. [10:39] A taste of paradise eh? [10:40] mmmm coconut [10:40] a bounty, plus a bottle of "sima" (mead, non alcoholic). [10:43] Who did you pinch them off? [10:43] bigcalm: I exchanged them! [10:43] for some shiny things... === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:45] set my update to display immediately [10:46] scotth-12: what release are you on at the moment? [10:47] 13.04 [10:47] I'd upgrade now, before the rush later ☻ [10:48] !isitoutyet [10:48] No bigcalm, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [10:48] Boo [10:49] Compressing 16gb mysql dump takes its time and is quite boring [10:50] It's funny, because there's a big banner on www.ubuntu.com touting "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, with OpenStack", but 14.04 isn't available yet. :) [10:52] The press release says 14.04 "is the platform for scale" and "is Ubuntu's third LTS release", but then goes on to say it "will be released on 17th April 2014". [10:52] JamesTait: always the same... [10:52] Slightly inconsistent. [10:52] every release, a few hours before [10:53] I don't want scale [10:53] * jussi scales bashrc [10:53] :( [10:53] bashrc, me neither, it stops my kettle from working and gets in my tea. [10:53] its hard to remove [10:55] i got 3 computers to do and 6 laptop to do so going to download iso to 2 dvd and install them like that instead of using network boot [10:56] Third LTS? 5th, surely. [10:57] 4th? [10:57] 6.06 was the first [10:57] oh, LTS CLOUD [10:57] 6, 8, 10, 12, 14 [10:57] oh, i cant count [10:57] hah [11:02] I used to have problems with scale until I moved to Scotland. [11:02] i wonder if they have sorted out the amd crystal control center out [11:09] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=14.04.4&architecture=amd64 [11:11] 04.4 ? [11:12] still beta 2 http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ [11:13] no just got the link ready [11:13] for clicking [11:13] Is there any way to estimate the size for a compressed file base upon its content type? [11:14] Text : about 90% [11:14] Video : about 0% [11:14] (size savings) [11:15] this link i reccon it going to be http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.0/ubuntu-14.04.0-desktop-amd64.iso [11:15] awilkins: videos will compress by about 5%-20% depending on format [11:15] !isitoutyet [11:15] No awilkins, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [11:16] This is a 15.4GB mysql dump. The compressed file is currently 128MB and rising [11:17] At 90%, that might mean a 1.54GB file? [11:17] bigcalm what you looking at to see that [11:18] ls -l [11:18] Well, -lh [11:19] kl [11:21] kl? [11:22] bigcalm, Depends on the homogeneity of the data [11:22] bigcalm, 10% is for English text, executable files, etc [11:22] May squish smaller if it's pretty homogenous [11:23] And some of the compression parameters [11:44] I'm thinking it would have been quicker to scp this 15.4GB file rather than compress it [11:46] scp -C ? [11:56] 28 [11:56] 16 [11:57] 42 [11:57] 98? [11:57] That's Numberwang! [11:57] lol [11:58] bag [11:58] bah [12:00] 42 :) === locodir-user is now known as Dan_on_Holiday === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:12] Hello all. Just moved Father-in-Law from Win XP to Lubuntu but have a problem. If I have a .deb of a printer driver with a dependency on libtiff4, what do I need to do to install it in Lubuntu 14.04, given that libtiff4 is no longer in the repos..? Ta. [12:12] hello Dan_on_Holiday [12:12] hi popey [12:12] libtiff4 is in ubuntu 14.04 [12:13] $ apt-cache search libtiff4 [12:13] libtiff4-dev - Tag Image File Format library (TIFF), transitional package [12:13] libtiff4 - Tag Image File Format (TIFF) library (old version) [12:13] hmmm... not what it said to me yesterday.. let me have another go! [12:13] hit it with a stick, that helps [12:14] it's got to be a big one so that it gets scared thought [12:14] Package libtiff4 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'libtiff4' has no installation candidate [12:15] hello [12:15] Dan_on_Holiday: hmm, i have it installed here... [12:15] seems I have it from a previous release maybe [12:15] i am waiting for the website to be updated so I can download 14.04 [12:16] Dan_on_Holiday: you could get the deb from packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/libtiff4 ? [12:16] I wish I was a cat [12:16] Oooh. New territory... Learning all the time :) [12:17] Dan_on_Holiday: so click either amd64 or i386 on that page, at the bottom [12:17] then the mirror links on the resulting page will be .debs you can download and probably install with "sudo dpkg -i foo.deb" [12:18] OK. Will do. Thanks... [12:18] * Dan_on_Holiday owes popey several pints now. Only ever pop in here when I'm stuck! [12:19] will check site later [12:19]