[00:00] <daftykins> riceandbeans: your current attitude is getting old very fast, if you expect to receive assistance you should be pleasant
[00:00] <ikonia> riceandbeans: fuse does not support zfs as a native file system, it's a user space module
[00:00] <riceandbeans> there are 3rd party kernel modules to support it
[00:00] <ikonia> riceandbeans: so things like zpools are not supported on the host
[00:00] <ikonia> riceandbeans: so again - it's not supported in the OS
[00:00] <riceandbeans> ubuntu proudly imports malware, I see no reason they wouldn't support importing code like that
[00:01] <TehCaptain> is it sad that I got a few laughs from that?
[00:01] <GrimaceXL> still got disconnected from plymouth
[00:01] <GrimaceXL> mount -a gives device or resource busy
[00:01] <shinster> whats the typical power usage of a wireless card in linux
[00:01] <cuddylier> ikonia: My access and error logs don't show anything significant
[00:02] <bazhang> try ##hardware shinster
[00:02] <TehCaptain> powerful card (500mw) could use up to a watt
[00:02] <Juankof_Colombia> Habemus Ubuntu?
[00:03] <shinster> TehCaptain, My card is using almost 4w. a chromebook running ubuntu
[00:04] <daftykins> shinster: sorry, chromebooks aren't supported
[00:04] <shinster> daftykins, what do you mean?
[00:05] <daftykins> as in we can't really assist with installs of ubuntu on them
[00:05] <daftykins> as they're often hacked up jobs
[00:06] <shinster> daftykins, im just trying to get a general idea of how much power a wifi card uses in ubuntu
[00:06] <betabertus8899> like 13w
[00:06] <shinster> daftykins, I installed via usb like any other computer
[00:07] <daftykins> uh-huh
[00:07]  * ki7rw is wondering why the openssl heartbleed bug wasn't detected by linux gurus a lot earlier
[00:07] <ikonia> ki7rw: wonder in another channel please
[00:08] <ki7rw> ikonia: i don't believe i'm OT
[00:08] <ikonia> ki7rw: you are
[00:08] <ki7rw> openssl is linux based isn't it?
[00:08] <Humbedooh> no?
[00:08] <ikonia> ki7rw: yes it is
[00:09] <ikonia> ki7rw: and many other OS's
[00:09] <psusi> cuddylier, I had a thought today on your weird io write problem... maybe the filesystem on that particular server is badly fragmented and the others are not?
[00:09] <ikonia> however wondering why people missed a bug is nothing to do with ubuntu support, which is what this channel deals with
[00:09] <ki7rw> ikonia: are you an op?
[00:09] <DerpishCat> No, an OP always have an @ before their name.
[00:09] <cuddylier> psusi: It's a possibility I suppose..
[00:10] <ikonia> ki7rw: if I'm an op or not doesn't change the channels topic
[00:10] <ikonia> you can see it in /topic
[00:10] <SchrodingersScat> ki7rw: he told you it's OT, best practice is to take it to offtopic, making it a debate helps you not much
[00:10] <james0r2> i'll agree it's off topic and i'm neutral and don't care very much.
[00:10] <GrimaceXL> hey thanks daftykins its all working i just had to get around my own stupidity... thanks again!
[00:10] <ki7rw> well, i thought that it was appropriate for this channel - sorry that i upset so many people
[00:10] <ikonia> no problem
[00:11] <james0r2> sall good
[00:11] <psusi> cuddylier, is that one nearly full?  you might check e2freefrag
[00:11] <cuddylier> No, it is only like 10% used
[00:11] <psusi> ohh... then nevermind ;)
[00:11] <cuddylier> It's 2x1tb HDDs in Hardware RAID 1
[00:12] <psusi> and you said it was ext4, not ext3 right?
[00:13] <Guest62121> Anyone know how to set unbuntu server 13.10 to static ip command line
[00:14] <psusi> Guest62121, see man interfaces
[00:14] <Guest62121> So that is where I would change it
[00:15] <Frequency7> I have a great question that I haven't been able to get an answer for, and yes I did search on Google AND Bing. Will the upcoming 14.04 release have support for anal finally? I have a lot of devices that fit in the port, and it has tons of bandwidth, so I'd like to finally be able to utilize Open Source software deep inside my anus. I have been fisting myself all day in anticipation.
[00:15] <anon7893> wtf
[00:15] <Guest62121> Hahahahaha I had to read that twice
[00:16] <rww> Frequency7: no
[00:16] <anon7893> pff forget fiber anus is the future!!
[00:16] <james0r2> you had me at great question
[00:16] <Frequency7> oh sorry i use debian. wrong channel and off topic
[00:16] <Guest62121> you had me at anal
[00:17] <MLWALK3R> Any one know how to fix, invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of start.
[00:17] <daftykins> 'tis the season to be trolly :(
[00:17] <james0r2> i use debian too but i'm having a problem replicating his problem
[00:17] <daftykins> Guest62121: you'd be better off running 14.04 server instead of 13.10
[00:17] <Guest62121> Yeah cry I wasn't able to fix it with ease
[00:24] <AmexBallin> ok my friend told me that i can customize pf rules to block certain websites and shit well my gf is being wicked cunty lately and running faggy ass scams on facebook and shit so i was wondering if this setup would be possible i have a dell with 2 lan ports what if i put it between the time warner router and the switch so that all traffic has to go through it how can i block facebook and twitter and maybe gmail just to  make her s
[00:24] <AmexBallin> top hating and shit?
[00:24] <rww> ubottu: guidelines
[00:24] <rww> AmexBallin: go read that ^ and try again
[00:25] <Ninjaspark> How can i install a newer version of Ubuntu without PAE?
[00:26] <Guest62121> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[00:26] <bekks> Ninjaspark: Install an Ubuntu version that doesnt require PAE initially, and update to the current release.
[00:26] <Guest62121> or do sudo -i
[00:26] <Guest62121> type your password so you get root
[00:26] <AmexBallin> ok my friend told me that i can customize pf rules to block certain websites and **** well my gf is being wicked ***** lately and running ***** *** scams on facebook and **** so i was wondering if this setup would be possible i have a dell with 2 lan ports what if i put it between the time warner router and the switch so that all traffic has to go through it how can i block facebook and twitter and maybe gmail just to make her st
[00:26] <bekks> Guest62121: that has no effect on PAE requirements of the kernel.
[00:26] <Guest62121> then run that see if it will let you upgrade your distro
[00:26] <Guest62121> oh
[00:26] <ncp> any one know release time for CET?
[00:26] <Guest62121> Than nevermind hahah
[00:27] <bazhang> ncp no one knows
[00:27] <bekks> ncp: 23.59
[00:27] <rww> ncp: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[00:27] <ncp> hehe okay.. perhaps someone know.. you never know to you ask? :)
[00:27] <Ninjaspark> How should i "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" If i dont have a working version of Linux working in the first place?
[00:27] <bekks> Ninjaspark: just ignore that comment.
[00:30] <Ninjaspark> Can i find an ISO without PAE?
[00:33] <bekks> Ninjaspark: sure. use a 10.04 server iso, install it, update to 12.04 at least (one direct update step)
[00:33] <bekks> Ninjaspark: then install a desktop environment at will.
[00:34] <Ninjaspark> Okay, thanks bekks. :P
[00:35] <Bashing-om> Ninjaspark: Wait for 14.04 ->From 14.04 the boot option forcepae has been added, which eliminates the need for these workarounds.
[00:35] <bekks> Bashing-om: forcepae enforces pae - which is the opposite of what is wanted.
[00:36] <bekks> Bashing-om: isnt it? :)
[00:36] <rww> Assuming that your CPU actually does not have PAE and is not just pretending to not have PAE, forcepae will not help you.
[00:36] <Bashing-om> bekks: Sorry, guess I missread the intent.
[00:36] <rww> (some of them, for some bizzare reason, indeed pretend not to have PAE when they do)
[00:37] <Bashing-om> bekks: , Ninjaspark My source: info @ :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211590
[00:39] <t4ng0> hello how many hours left for the LTS Realease? lol
[00:39] <bazhang> t4ng0, not known
[00:39] <t4ng0> lol
[00:39] <rww> t4ng0: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[00:39] <bekks> what would be the correct package to file a bug onto?: kickstart files for ubuntu dont respect the "%include" directive.
[01:07] <spray-> Right.  So.  Say I have a 1TB disk with an existing, happy Ubuntu 12.04LTS install on it, and a blank 1TB disk.  I want to RAID-1 mirror this.  Someone, anyone, have a sane way?
[01:08] <spray-> Is it just a matter of a 'dd' and building the array in the controller menu options?
[01:11] <spray-> And the only posts on this are coming back from 2004, and that makes me less-likely to trust it
[01:16] <SKELET0R> anyone using irssi know if you can switch between two irc channels?
[01:16] <SirLagz> SKELET0R: alt-1/2/3/4/5/...
[01:16] <SKELET0R> danke
[01:21] <psusi> irssi is a lot like BitchX, which is now defunct right?  not used those in ages
[01:21] <rww> psusi: irssi isn't much like BitchX, and BitchX isn't defunct.
[01:21] <rww> for starters, irssi is not crap
[01:21] <psusi> ohh?  interesting...
[01:21] <djangomobile> Guys for a windows partition what do I put for mount point
[01:22] <daftykins> anywhere you want
[01:22] <rww> djangomobile: whatever you want. /media/windows is one option.
[01:22] <daftykins> ooh-err
[01:22] <psusi> I used BitchX in the late '90s on a 43 line terminal... was pretty nice back then.
[01:23] <daftykins> that's lovely but a tad off topic i'm afraid (:
[01:23] <psusi> slackware had this awesome vga 43 line font I found that I've never been able to dig up again
[01:23] <djangomobile> Fuck it says root file system is denied
[01:23] <daftykins> careful on the language there
[01:24] <djangomobile> I created space on my hard drive for a Ubuntu boot now I need to load the operating system
[01:24] <djangomobile>  what do I choose for mount point
[01:24] <psusi> djangomobile, at a minimum, you need /
[01:24] <psusi> ( aka, the root directory )
[01:24] <djangomobile> I don't know what that means
[01:25] <fercho> What do you want to mount?
[01:25] <psusi> you need something mounted in "/"
[01:25] <camara> Hello
[01:25] <camara> Please I need help with something
[01:25] <djangomobile> Why "/", and not any other
[01:26] <psusi> because / is the top level directory under which everything else lies
[01:26] <psusi> aka, the root
[01:26] <djangomobile> Do I use ext3
[01:26] <psusi> ext4 is better
[01:26] <camara> My hard disk is two big partations, I installed ubuntu 12.04 on the D drive which has most of my data, now I can't see this partition in ubuntu, how can I access it?
[01:26] <djangomobile> Why
[01:26] <psusi> it handles large files better, more space efficient, is fscked faster, many reasons
[01:27] <djangomobile> Cool
[01:27] <djangomobile> I clicked revert waiting on it
[01:27] <djangomobile> Btw my laptop is kind of hot
[01:27] <psusi> amd gpu?
[01:28] <djangomobile> I have intel
[01:28] <tytan> Is the "gnome-panel" still available in Trusty Thar?
[01:28] <fercho> You mean "D:" like windows disk labels?
[01:28] <psusi> you might be able to run sudo sensors in a terminal to check temperatures
[01:29] <Bashing-om> camara: Show us what we are working with -> pastebinit sudo fdisk -lu , sudo parted -l  ...
[01:29] <rww> !info gnome-panel trusty | tytan
[01:29] <camara> ok hold on
[01:29] <psusi> you might need to play around with the lm-sensors package and the sensors-detect command to be able to monitor fan speeds too
[01:29] <psusi> this isn't an ibm thinkpad is it?
[01:29] <djangomobile> Ok
[01:30] <djangomobile> Yes haha
[01:30] <djangomobile> Lenovo idea pad
[01:30] <psusi> they have gained a bit of noteriety as crap laptops... they seem to refuse to run the fans at full speed even when hot
[01:30] <djangomobile> Damn
[01:30] <psusi> there was some knob somewhere you could echo "disengaged" to and force it to go full speed
[01:30] <camara> D: as in windows labels yes
[01:31] <Gl4di4t0r> I don't get it. Where is 14.04 RC ???
[01:32] <camara> bashing-om: the command is not working
[01:32] <fercho> camara: Did you resize that partition? Or you dedicated it to Ubuntu?
[01:32] <camara> dedicated it to Ubuntu
[01:32] <camara> didn't resize
[01:33] <camara> I just choose that drive for Ubuntu
[01:33] <psusi> Gl4di4t0r, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:33] <camara> because the other one has Windows installed on it
[01:33] <Beldar> camara, YOu install ubuntu from windows or a live cd?
[01:33] <Bashing-om> camara: Are you on ubuntu ? LiveDVD ? then to install bastebinit -> sudo apt-get install pastebinit <- .
[01:33] <psusi> camara, what do you mean you can't see it?  if that is where you installed ubuntu, then that is where everything is
[01:33] <djangomobile> Location for new partition should I put beginning or end
[01:33] <spray-> Or, maybe I should ask a different way: Can I boot off a live CD, do "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=4096", and have a complete mirror of my /dev/sda disk on /dev/sdb, permissions correct, bootable, etc?
[01:34] <fercho> camara: So there is no more "D:" partition, when you installed Ubuntu in it, you have formatted it to ext4, your data inside doesn't exists anymore
[01:34] <psusi> djangomobile, wherever you want it
[01:34] <camara> Beldar: I installed it from windows
[01:34] <Beldar> camara, That is a wubi.
[01:35] <djangomobile> But what does it mean beginning or end
[01:35] <psusi> wubi is the devil
[01:35] <camara> Psusi: I don't have a drive that holds the rest of the data where Ubuntu was installed.
[01:35] <psusi> djangomobile, near the beginning of the drive, or the end of the drive...
[01:35] <djangomobile> Lol
[01:36] <psusi> camara, if you did a wubi install, then the windows drive that holds the file that holds ubuntu is visible in /host
[01:36] <djangomobile> Now it says I need to assign a swap partition that's optional
[01:36] <djangomobile>  should I go back
[01:36] <psusi> how much ram do you have?
[01:36] <djangomobile> 8gb
[01:37] <psusi> then I'd say no
[01:37] <psusi> shouldn't need swap with that much ram
[01:37] <djangomobile> So just continue
[01:38] <harsesus> I get a core dump anytime I try to play any wmv files in vlc or totem, but mplay seems to work just fine, could anyone assist?
[01:39] <bpace> did you install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[01:39] <harsesus> yep
[01:40] <bpace> I've never seen that. Are they high resolution wmv?
[01:40] <harsesus> and other formats seem to work just fine, and the thumbnailer crashes if a folder has wmv files in it
[01:40] <walruslt45> Heyyo
[01:40] <camara> Ok guys how can I make "/dev/sda3" avaliable as an icon in my launch bar?
[01:41] <harsesus> any I have tried... and I grabbed a few sample videos online of a smaller size
[01:41] <camara> sorry too many noobish questions
[01:41] <camara> or "/host"
[01:41] <walruslt45> Is there any channel for assembler help related question?
[01:41] <Fuchs> walruslt45: yes.
[01:42] <walruslt45> i found, sorry
[01:42] <Fuchs> walruslt45: ##asm would be an example, and: you can search for channels with alis, see /msg alis help list. /msg alis list *searchterm* looks for channel names containing searchterm. /msg alis list * -topic *searchterm* looks for channel topics containing searchterm.
[01:42] <djangomobile> Should I be worried about my computer temperature
[01:43] <echoma> list
[01:43] <harsesus> I don't know the procedures to find the root cause.
[01:44] <camara> psusi: I found it, and I'm wondering how can I make that available as an Icon for me? on the desktop or in launch bar
[01:44] <psusi> djangomobile, depends on what the temperature is
[01:44] <fercho> Did you try reinstalling vlc?
[01:44] <djangomobile> I'm saying BC I have lenovo
[01:44] <Beldar> camara, Hardly anyone uses wubi, it is not part of releases now, and never had any real steady support.
[01:44] <psusi> camara, I think it will show up if you create a directory in /media, and bind mount it there... so sudo mkdir /media/windows and sudo mount --bind /host /media/windows
[01:45] <psusi> but yea, you would be best served by doing a real install instead of using wubi
[01:45] <harsesus> yes but no luck, the problem appears in totem as well... which leads me to believe the route cause is something else, I just don't know how to go any further
[01:45] <harsesus> *root
[01:45] <camara> hmmm OKey thanks guys Beldar psusi
[01:46] <djangomobile> How do I setup so on boot I get Ubuntu or windows option
[01:46] <djangomobile> Ubuntu installation just finished and I press the restart now
[01:46] <reisio> djangomobile: as opposed to what?
[01:46] <psusi> djangomobile, it is automatic
[01:46] <djangomobile> Yeah I thought it was supposed to be automatic but not at a press restart the option to come up
[01:46] <reisio> djangomobile: ...what does come up
[01:46] <djangomobile> Windowa
[01:47] <fercho> harsesus: Which version of vlc you have installed? ($ vlc --version)
[01:48] <harsesus> dmesg indicates a segfault in ndowa                                                                        aaearon
[01:48] <djangomobile> Yeah i tried again and it just went straight to windows
[01:48] <harsesus> sorry... 2.1.3  I think...
[01:48] <djangomobile> Now it says CHKDSK is veryfying files
[01:50] <delinquentme> So I'm trying to find a junit*.jar file ... which I THINK is already installed on my system
[01:50] <delinquentme> I think this because $ which junit >> /usr/bin/junit
[01:50] <harsesus> I get a segfault in libvlccore.so.7.0.0 for vlc, and for totem,  I get multiqueue0:src with a segfault in libgstlibav.so
[01:50] <delinquentme> however theres no *.jar file there
[01:53] <fercho> harsesus: Is there something related to libavcodec in the dump?
[01:54] <keith_> does anyone know how to find out what application is grabbing a key combination?
[01:55] <fercho> delinquentme: try sudo updatedb && sudo locate junit | grep .jar
[01:55] <fercho> delinquentme: or sudo find / -name junit
[01:56] <reisio> keith_: grabbing?
[01:56] <harsesus> libgstlibav.so appears to be a component of gstreamer, which encounters the totem segfault
[01:56] <delinquentme> Yeah located the file .. so now I need maven / java to be able to locate this file ... howdo?
[01:57] <harsesus> I know removing libavcodec and trying to play a wmv caused totem to prompt me to install it, which I did, it runs for a second then dumps again
[01:59] <keith_> reisio: so for example i use an application where "Control+Space" is an important key combination.  It normally works, but when I switch to a different window manager, it is failing.  So I'm wondering if I can find out if there is another app that is "intercepting/grabbing" the control+space key so that my app doesn't get it
[01:59] <sweetlew> Can somebody help me? I'm trying to see if I can run Lubuntu Software Center in Precise Puppy 5.7.1.
[02:00] <daftykins> sweetlew: sorry we don't support other distributions
[02:00] <daftykins> and i somewhat doubt that's possible
[02:00] <bpace> keith_ is it launchy?
[02:01] <keith_> bpace, no it's eclipse
[02:01] <SeaSki> http://tinyurl.com/o3w4qt6
[02:01] <Morgan_Freeman> http://tinyurl.com/o3w4qt6
[02:01] <fercho> harsesus: try reinstalling gstreamer1.0, I search about the seg fault and appears to be a bug
[02:03] <aaa801> So, can anyone see anything wrong with this screen command, getting failed to open terminal, sudo -u PixelServer screen -mS pixelmon -c /home/Servers/Pixel2/.screenrc
[02:04] <reisio> keith_: if all you changed was your wm, I'd say it's a safe bet that's it
[02:04] <fercho> delinquentme: You mean the basedir?
[02:04] <django> psusi
[02:05] <django> psusi mind if i pm you
[02:06] <foist> I recently repartitioned my drive and reinstalled Ubuntu. Any way for me to recover some files I loset in the partition?
[02:06] <foist> lost*
[02:08] <fercho> foist: try testdisk: $ sudo apt-get install testdisk
[02:08] <foist> fercho: trying that now.
[02:11] <harsesus> fercho: removing gstreamer doesn't seem to effect vlc, it still core dumps
[02:11] <harsesus> both vlc and totem core dump with wmv files
[02:13] <djangomobile> Psusi you herr
[02:16] <shunya_chakra> when will ubuntu 14.04 will release?
[02:16] <daftykins> shunya_chakra: when the website says so
[02:17] <somsip> !isitout
[02:17] <shunya_chakra> :) thanks daftykins
[02:17] <shunya_chakra> today is 17 :D
[02:18] <harsesus> I get a segfaults from libgstlibav.so after reinstalling  gstreamer1.0-libav
[02:20] <billy12321232123> Does anyone know what time Ubuntu 14.04 will become downloadable?
[02:20] <ablegreen> Which is less safe and why? HTTP with no SSL or HTTP with SSL + Heartbleed vunerability?
[02:20] <fercho> harsesus: check your VLC version with the VideoLAN's page latest version
[02:21] <billy12321232123> ablegreen: I would say HTTP with SSL because at least with normal HTTP hackers can't read loaded information
[02:21] <ablegreen> hmm okay.
[02:21] <harsesus> I am on version 2.1.3, the current version
[02:22] <saiarcot895> !isitout | billy12321232123
[02:22] <billy12321232123> ubottu, today is the 17 here, what time zone do they work on, GMT?
[02:23] <nullbyte_> USA maybe
[02:23] <harsesus> my question is what could cause a duplicate issue in both vlc and totem, or how to I begin to hunt it down
[02:23] <saiarcot895> billy12321232123: ubottu is a bot, and it could be Eastern time, it could be GMT, it could be Ubuntu time
[02:23] <harsesus> concerning wmv files only
[02:23] <billy12321232123> hmn, not sure. Oh well, it should be ready sometime tomorrow at least
[02:23] <saiarcot895> *Eastern Standard Time in the US
[02:24] <nullbyte_> here is 5:30 at night:)
[02:24] <nullbyte_> i think after 3hrs will be ready
[02:24] <somsip> billy12321232123: it's always 'some time' with no further definition. Chill.
[02:24] <nullbyte_> (USA)
[02:24] <nullbyte_> I mean here in europe
[02:25] <billy12321232123> somsip: I'm not worried I was just wondering if anyone knew
[02:25] <Lapps> Hi, do "firmware" packages for devices on Ubuntu actually load anything on those devices? Or is that stuff just used by the OS and thus not touching any hardware?
[02:26] <fercho> harsesus, wow... I search about your problem and it exists on previous VLC versions,
[02:26] <fercho> harsesus, what about ffmpeg?
[02:26] <billy12321232123> Lapps: I'm not 100% sure but I believe the firmware is part of the drivers, and only used by the system
[02:27] <slimjimflim> hi, what time zone is the official ubuntu release time?
[02:27] <Lapps> billy12321232123: many thanks.
[02:27] <slimjimflim> i'm chomping at the bit for Trusty Tahr
[02:27] <billy12321232123> Lapps: I wouldn't think the OS would autocratically flash a device connected to your computer ;)
[02:27] <billy12321232123> slimjimflim: There is not one, I asked that a few mins ago
[02:27] <Lapps> billy12321232123: I didn't either, that's why it seemed odd. :P
[02:28] <harsesus> ffmpeg is version 7:2.2
[02:28] <finisherr> Is there a way to get my display connected to the mini dvi porn on my MacBook to know that my TV is connected? I did some xrandr hackery but it just sucks. Would be nice if it was hot pluggable
[02:28] <finisherr> port*
[02:28] <harsesus> hehe freudian slip?
[02:28] <slimjimflim> billy12321232123: ohok.  well i'm upgrading as soon as it gets released :D
[02:29] <finisherr> harsesus: I've made that mistake before ha
[02:29] <billy12321232123> slimjimflim: Same
[02:29] <fercho> harsesus, mmm and do you have installed gstreamer1.0-libav?
[02:29]  * harsesus can tell by your nick
[02:30] <billy12321232123> BTW, to anyone who wants to find me again, I usually use the nick "Tilo15" but I can't log in because I'm away and left my password book at home
[02:30] <meway> Hello I'm on a Lenovo y410 laptop running ubuntu 12.04 LTS and I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out how to get my graphics card known/working properly with the drivers and stuffs? :D
[02:30] <harsesus> yes fercho, that is the codec that throws the error when libgstlibav.so throws a segfault
[02:30] <finisherr> It's actually a stupid refference to mortal kombat
[02:30]  * meway likes mortal kombat
[02:31] <finisherr> but in any case, how can I configure ubuntu to statically remember my second display?
[02:31] <daftykins> all of you who are asking about ubuntu release time, do you really think there'll be some magical secret sauce in the final ISOs? why not just install, go have a nap, then update tomorrow? :) the mirrors are all going to be absolutely hammered anyway
[02:31] <billy12321232123> ooh, what's #ubuntu+1
[02:32] <saiarcot895> billy12321232123: channel for next version of ubuntu
[02:33] <john_rambo> daftykins, I had a bad experience with beta2 ...aftre updating the last available kernel wont work ...But most probably thats an isolated case
[02:33] <fercho> Try to purge all, vlc, gstreamer, totem and reinstalling all again,  otherwise it can be a bug
[02:33] <fercho> harsesus,
[02:33] <hoanb1> what's time ubuntu 14.04 available to download
[02:33] <saiarcot895> billy12321232123 and slimjimflim: also, for the record, you can run "do-release-upgrade -d -f=gnome" to get 14.04 (packages are in a freeze, so the packages as they are now will be the release packages
[02:33] <billy12321232123> saiarcot895: Yeah, I found that, but I was hoping it would have release time
[02:34] <saiarcot895> hoanb1: some time in the next 24 hours.
[02:34] <rww> hoanb1: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[02:34] <harsesus> It must be something affecting both, I need to be able to go beyond just reading off dmesg error to get to the problem or file a bug if there is one, but I don't know how to track any further
[02:34] <hoanb1> thanks
[02:34] <billy12321232123> saiarcot895: I think Ill wait for the official release
[02:35] <fercho> harsesus, I've searched about your dmesg error and found nothing :/
[02:36] <harsesus> thanks fercho, I had about the same luck.  what I really would like to know is what to do next
[02:36] <LucienG> o/
[02:37] <LucienG> I was directed here by a friend in another IRC about trying to get Ubuntu to use my AMD driver I installed
[02:37] <fercho> harsesus, which ubuntu release do you use?
[02:37] <harsesus> 14.04
[02:37] <LucienG> Is it safe to uninstall mesa if it still exists alongside fglrx?
[02:40] <ubuntuaddicted> is it possible to upgrade from 12.04 straight to 14.04?
[02:41] <_2_Beyonka> Herro?
[02:41] <django> how do i know if i am running the actual ubuntu or the "TRY"
[02:42] <_2_Beyonka> Hi im beyonka
[02:42] <daftykins>  django type 'mount' and pastebin it
[02:42] <django> daftykins:  what?
[02:42] <django> where do i type that
[02:43] <daftykins> django: in a terminal, hit ctrl+alt+t
[02:43] <_2_Beyonka> 6-9 derp
[02:43] <SKELET0R> i just installed a bittorrent client, where do most apps install to so i can setup the mime handler
[02:43] <reisio> SKELET0R: most executables are in /usr/bin/
[02:43] <django> daftykins:  what does pastebin in it mean
[02:43] <reisio> dpkg -L deluge | grep bin
[02:43] <LucienG> I've got this sort of output for `locate libGL.so`, is it safe to uninstall mesa to force my system to use fglrx? http://hastebin.com/migacemepo
[02:43] <_2_Beyonka> So lost
[02:43] <reisio> _2_Beyonka: I found you!
[02:43] <SKELET0R> many thanks reisio
[02:44] <reisio> LucienG: you should be able to force it other ways
[02:44] <reisio> SKELET0R: also, lay of my bro He-man :p
[02:44] <daftykins> django: visit paste.ubuntu.com and paste the output of what that command gives, into there, then link us by pasting the link in here
[02:44] <_2_Beyonka> Um yay? Who are u
[02:44] <reisio> _2_Beyonka: I'm me of course
[02:44] <LucienG> reisio: Such as? Applications trying to open a GL context tell me that they can't find "swrast_dri.so" which is the software rasterizer; no idea why that'd be being looked for
[02:45] <django> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7265223/
[02:46] <daftykins> django: yep that's the live session aka 'try'
[02:47] <django> fuck
[02:47] <reisio> LucienG: you don't have it?
[02:47] <django> daftykins:  i downloaded ubuntu, i restart computer and there option isnt there...in windows7 i checked adn there isnt an option to change auto OS boot option
[02:49] <reisio> django: what is there?
[02:49] <LucienG> reisio: It looks for it in the fglrx installation directory too, which is concerning, I'd think.
[02:49] <kupo_> what's the linux mint channel again?
[02:49] <LucienG> Not sure why it'd be trying to invoke the software rasterizer
[02:49] <rww> ubottu: mintsupport | kupo_
[02:49] <reisio> kupo_: the proper one is on irc.spotchat.org
[02:49] <django> only windows7
[02:49] <kupo_> thanks
[02:49] <django> when I actually try and install ubuntu again it says that ubuntu has already been installed
[02:49] <kupo_> kk thanks again
[02:49] <dutchuss2016> i have a problem with installing from a deb file see here http://postimg.org/image/9e6erg70n/
[02:49] <django> How do i know where ubntu has been installed
[02:50] <reisio> django: you could from the 'try' option
[02:50] <dutchuss2016> are you on windows?
[02:50] <reisio> django: you installed Ubuntu after you installed Windows?
[02:50] <django> no
[02:50] <django> i have windows7 shrinekd volume of my C drive and want to install ubuntu on it
[02:50] <django> i thought i had done it correctly but i guess npt
[02:50] <reisio> django: you installed Ubuntu after you installed Windows?
[02:51] <django> I never installed windows, it came with my computer
[02:51] <reisio> django: k
[02:51] <django> how do i know where ubuntu was installed
[02:51] <reisio> django: probably just your ubuntu boot loader is confused
[02:52] <django> lol
[02:52] <django> do you have any solutions?
[02:52] <reisio> django: from the live OS? 'lsblk -f' should be fairly telling
[02:52] <reisio> I got all the solutions :)
[02:52] <django> so what do i do :s
[02:52] <django> im thinking of just dumping w7 all together and just sticking to ubuntu
[02:52] <django> i barely even game, the only reason i would keep w7
[02:54] <dutchuss2016> django:: im going to pm uu i will help you
[02:54] <harsesus> so... can anyone suggest where to go, to recap, for wmv, mplayer works, vlc and totem core dump, each show a respective .so segfault, ubuntu 14.04, vlc 2.1.3, gstreamer1.0-libav 1.2.3-1... what next step should I take
[02:54] <django> thanks!
[02:54] <scipy53> Has anyone installed this successfully?
[02:54] <scipy53> http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
[02:55] <Aaruni> anyone know around what time trusty will be released ?
[02:56] <rww> Aaruni: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[02:56] <daftykins> Aaruni: when you least suspect it
[02:57] <bobfox> excited for release of 14.04. currently finishing my review article.
[02:57] <Aaruni> it'll take around an hour to download it on my connection, and need to upgrade to it today.
[02:57] <greeter> april 17th... hmm, 3 minutes from now, cool
[02:57] <reisio> Aaruni: an hour? :/
[02:58] <bobfox> ~20mins on my connection usually.
[02:58] <Aaruni> reisio, 2 megabits per second  connection
[02:58] <kupo_> my update connection hasnt been too bad today actually. figured it'd be worse due to LTS arriving soon
[02:59] <reisio> Aaruni: 'minimalcd'?
[02:59] <kupo_> yeah. are they releasing that at same time?
[02:59] <saiarcot895> kupo_: fortunately, not all of Precise users will be upgrading to 14.04 on the same day (or week)
[02:59] <Aaruni> reisio, what use be minimalCD, if I want full install ?
[02:59] <Aaruni> and I dunno how to install via CLI
[03:00] <kupo_> do they always release mini cd same day as official release?
[03:01] <thufail> hi ,. i am new linux user, i have install ubuntu studio on my computer but there is something problem when i try to play music and video,, the problem says "Parole Media Player requires to install plugins to play media files of the following type: Sorenson Spark Video decoder"
[03:01] <thufail> somebody help me how to fix it
[03:01] <thufail> sory i m nubie
[03:01] <Player> you need to install codecs
[03:01] <finisherr> Is there a way to list available video drivers on your system?
[03:03] <thufail> it says i must download a libs but when i click yes there is error
[03:04] <kupo_> thufailll install ubuntu restricted extras
[03:05] <kupo_> and all will be well
[03:05] <kupo_> or most likely will be well
[03:05] <kupo_> wowww blackchat
[03:05] <thufail> how to install it,. its my first flight on linux
[03:06] <kupo_> software center has it
[03:06] <reisio> thufail: :)
[03:06] <reisio> thufail: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:07] <Aaruni> rww, you told me to go to #ubuntu-release-party , but didn't tell me I could subscribe to ubuntu-release mail list. y u do dis ?
[03:07] <thufail> thanks kupo_ and reisio.. will try it
[03:12] <LrdArc> I always get "File name can't be put in the trash. Do you want to delete it immediately?" everytime I press delete button, no matter is it local or on mounted devices.. I used 14.04 beta
[03:12] <reisio> LrdArc: always meaning?
[03:12] <rww> Aaruni: thankfully, I put ubuntu-announce in the /topic of #ubuntu-release-party. yvw :P
[03:13] <LrdArc> I can't send the files into Trash. everytime.
[03:13] <thufail> does someone here speak bahasa?
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> thufail: what language is this?
[03:14] <greeter> indonesian or malaysian i believe
[03:14] <LrdArc> it's indonesian
[03:14] <thufail> indonesian
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> !in | LrdArc
[03:14] <rww> !id
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> oops
[03:14] <reisio> 'bahasa'? Is an English transliteration for a word that can refer to many languages
[03:14] <lotuspsychje> rww: tnx
[03:15] <Aaruni> wut, we have an indian channel ? and I never knew.
[03:15] <LrdArc> noone there. lol
[03:21] <alice_> what do we do here?
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> alice_: supporting ubuntu questions
[03:22] <reisio> alice_: stuff, things
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> alice_: maybe we can help you with something?
[03:23] <alice_> i wanted to know more about how irc works
[03:23] <daftykins> this isn't the place then
[03:23] <rww> alice_: /join #freenode if you have questions about that :)
[03:23] <alice_> ok
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> alice_: if you installed the most popular Os ubuntu, we could show you around here :p
[03:24] <alice_> then if i have a query reagrding ubuntu, i can ask that
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> alice_: the bot is meant for ubuntu triggers only, not irc specific questions
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> alice_: what operating system do you use?
[03:26] <alice_> ubuntu 10.24
[03:26] <django> dutchuss2016
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> alice_: 10.04?
[03:26] <alice_> typo
[03:26] <alice_> yes thats it
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> alice_: well we really recommend to upgrade to a higher version
[03:27] <alice_> how do i upgrade?
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> alice_: well 14.04 will come out soon, so maybe wait until its out and do a clean install
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> !usb | alice_
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> alice_: download the 14.04 iso when it comes out, then put on a stick and install it on your computer
[03:29] <alice_> just rechecked i have ubuntu 12.04 lts 64 bit os
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> alice_: ah thats better then
[03:30] <alice_> what do i do to free disk space to install new updates?
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> alice_: you can either choose to use it longer, or upgrade to 14.04 soon
[03:31] <lotuspsychje> alice_: how big is your HD?
[03:31] <alice_> i have no option  other tahn using it longer
[03:31] <sakang> download server is not responding at all. probably swamped right now bec 14.04 is released?
[03:31] <alice_> it says disk space 300 gb
[03:31] <alice_> memory 7gb
[03:32] <lotuspsychje> alice_: you can see free space from terminal: df -h
[03:32] <alice_> wait a bit doing that
[03:33] <alice_> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[03:33] <alice_> /dev/sda6        38G  7.4G   29G  21% /
[03:33] <alice_> udev            3.5G  4.0K  3.5G   1% /dev
[03:33] <alice_> tmpfs           1.5G  936K  1.5G   1% /run
[03:33] <alice_> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[03:33] <alice_> none            3.6G  292K  3.6G   1% /run/shm
[03:33] <unopaste> alice_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[03:34] <mikeche1en> alice_: it looks like you have 29G free space, that should be plenty
[03:34] <mikeche1en> sakang: use a different mirror?
[03:37] <Cheekio> Anyone familiar with how to get nouveau drivers working? I'm not sure what blacklists I can remove from /etc/modprobe.d, but I'd bet that bumblebee is fucking everything up
[03:37] <Cheekio> case in point, can I just trash bumblebee? Do I need it for nouveau?
[03:38] <daftykins> bumblebee is for making use of an nvidia chip in an optimus setup
[03:38] <daftykins> you can't use nouveau with optimus
[03:38] <Cheekio> god damn
[03:38] <Cheekio> you can't use nvidia drivers with optimus either
[03:38] <daftykins> curb that language please.
[03:39] <daftykins> you can with bumblebee
[03:39] <daftykins> !bumblebee
[03:39] <shirox> About compiling stuff in linux (software). I compiled main.cpp, and apparently 18446744073709551503 and a value contained in an unsigned long. So if I compile a program on a 64bit machine, I get 64 bit variables?
[03:39] <alice_>  The upgrade needs a total of 27.4 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 8,976 k of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.
[03:39] <alice_>  this is the msg i get
[03:39] <daftykins> Cheekio: *but* your best bet for optimus is to install 14.04 and try either bumblebee or nvidia-prime
[03:39] <alice_> this is the msg i get when i try to updates
[03:39] <Cheekio> Optimus would need to be disabled in bios. I contacted Nvidia and they said their linux drivers don't support optimus laptops.
[03:40] <cyphase> random fact; i was pleasantly surprised the other day when i booted a live 13.10 instance and my relatively recent nvidia gpu worked out of the box with 3d using nouveau
[03:40] <daftykins> Cheekio: optimus doesn't work like that, it's not a 'on/off' thing
[03:40] <daftykins> Cheekio: there are plenty of guides available for getting it running with bumblebee, but like i said, best approach is with 14.04
[03:41] <Cheekio> Could you help me find a guide?
[03:41] <Cheekio> Also, here's nvidia's word on the subject: http://imgur.com/g2GtIoX
[03:42] <Cheekio> sorry, I apparently highlighted something
[03:42] <Cheekio> here we go: http://imgur.com/Bs6Lorg
[03:43] <Cheekio> Also, is 14.04 live?
[03:45] <alice_>  how to remove temporary packages in ubuntu 12.04?
[03:46]  * wiky is away: I'm busy
[03:46]  * wiky is back (gone 00:00:12)
[03:46]  * wiky is away: I'm busy
[03:46] <sakang> alice_: apt-get clean
[03:47] <rww> which won't help with /boot being full
[03:47] <sakang> alice_: or aptitude autoclean
[03:47] <hoanb1> Cheekio: Still waiting!
[03:47] <Cheekio> The internet says 14.04 server LTS is available tomorrow
[03:48] <phuh> 14.04 LTS any good?!?!
[03:48] <alice_> sakang apt get clean doesnt work
[03:48] <phuh> does it rock or suck
[03:49] <Cheekio> So, will it be available in like 12 minutes or are we thinking mid day release
[03:49] <phuh> Cheekio: that's the sort of questions I want to ask you
[03:49] <daftykins> it's out WHEN IT IS READY
[03:50] <daftykins> :P
[03:50] <Cheekio> And what about upgrading?
[03:50] <miao> 你好
[03:50] <b13> What's supposed to be "new" in 14.04?
[03:50] <Cheekio> I'd be happy to upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 if it wasn't assuredly going to make me miss work tomorrow.
[03:50] <miao> 操
[03:51] <ubuntuaddicted> b13, they moved the application menus back into the top bar of the app instead of it being in the main upper panel
[03:51] <rww> #ubuntu is for support of Ubuntu releases that are out right now. #ubuntu+1 is for discussion and support of 14.04/Trusty.
[03:52] <ranjan> ETA for ubuntu 14.04?
[03:53] <cyphase> T-when-it's-ready
[03:53] <rww> ranjan: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[03:53] <sakang> alice_: you asked how, and those are the tools for clearing apt cache
[03:53] <jje> yay party
[03:53] <ranjan> rww: thank you :) joining #ubuntu-release-party
[03:53] <alice_> sakang: thanks
[03:54] <sakang> alice_: pls do du -sh /boot
[03:55] <Cheekio> So, in terms of tech support, I could totally use some
[03:55] <Cheekio> I can't even full screen video at this point, I'm using fbdev and it's awful
[03:55] <Cheekio> moving windows in unity literally eats up a third of my CPU. I'm on an i7-4900mq
[03:55] <Cheekio> That's more clock cycles than it takes to run an entire game of Super Mario Brothers.
[03:56] <Cheekio> I guess my question is how do I find the best solution where I use my dedicated nvidia card at all, and then how do I implement it.
[03:57] <Cheekio> Should I be putting 'bumblebee' in my xorg conf?
[03:57] <z8z> ranjan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[03:58] <ranjan> thank you z8z
[03:59] <Cheekio> daftykins, could you help me with a little more information on the subject?
[04:00] <Cheekio> I really have googled and tried multiple solutions at this point, each one leads to the same broken video drivers on login
[04:00] <johnnyhangle> hi there.. im trying install nvidia driver on ubuntu 14.04.. my video card is a nvidia geforce 8400 cs.. im a little confused about binary drivers and legacy drivers.. which one should i use
[04:02] <xangua> !14.04 | johnnyhangle
[04:02] <daftykins> Cheekio: sorry no, not when you obviously can't google for yourself for the tens of guides out there on the subject, nor the links i already gave
[04:04] <johnnyhangle> yeah thanks ubottu but that not that answer im looking for
[04:04] <rww> johnnyhangle: Then /join #ubuntu+1 and look for a better one, or wait until 14.04 isn't a pre-release and come back here :)
[04:04] <Cheekio> daftykins, I didn't actually see you post any links.
[04:04] <kieppie> !14.04
[04:04] <kieppie> !trusty
[04:05] <Cheekio> I apologize. I've also stated a couple of times I've google the subject repeatedly
[04:05] <daftykins> Cheekio: watch carefully i'll do it again
[04:05] <daftykins> !bumblebee
[04:05] <Cheekio> I'm astounded.
[04:06] <johnnyhangle> whats the difference its being released tomorrow
[04:06] <rww> johnnyhangle: Then come back tomorrow.
[04:06] <Cheekio> If you think I haven't been to bumblebee-project.org then you've been paying less attention to what I've said than you're accusing me of paying to you.
[04:06] <Cheekio> I apologize, I'll continue to work on the problem myself and if I still don't have it fixed I'll be back in a few hours.
[04:10] <B0073D> Isn't 14.04 supposed to come out today?
[04:10] <harsesus> For wmv, mplayer works, vlc and totem core dump, each show a respective .so segfault, ubuntu 14.04, vlc 2.1.3 (and 2.2), gstreamer1.0-libav 1.2.3-1... what next step should I take to figure out what is causing this
[04:12] <Tilo15> B0073D: Depends on what timezone you're in, I'm in NZ
[04:12] <B0073D> Tilo15: AUS hehe
[04:13] <rww> B0073D: yes, it's probably going to come out today, for some definition of today that is not the .au one :P
[04:13] <B0073D> Probably. Oh well. Tomorrow maybe then.
[04:19] <axizor> Got a security question for some of you gurus out there
[04:19] <axizor> It's easy
[04:19] <axizor> What's the simplest, most secure way to browse the internet using linux?
[04:20] <xangua> install security updates that your distro provides
[04:20] <B0073D> axizor: Disable scripts, images, plugins etc.
[04:21] <axizor> what about just using the operating system?
[04:21] <B0073D> or wget the page and read the HTML manially
[04:21] <B0073D> manually
[04:23] <B0073D> axizor: Could you be more specific?
[04:23] <thurstylark2> is there a way to get terminal to return the hex value for permissions of a given file?
[04:23] <axizor> Yes B0073D, sorry
[04:23] <daftykins> thurstylark2: permissions aren't in hex.
[04:23] <sudormrf> hey guys, I have a question about incron.  I would like to run a script after a file has been copied to the watch directory, I have an idea for the script, but I was wondering if someone could take a look
[04:24] <axizor> Just using the operating system without leaving traces in memory and other places
[04:24] <thurstylark2> daftykins that's right. It's octal, isn't it...
[04:24] <axizor> Just needs to be 100% closed
[04:24] <B0073D> Live CD
[04:24] <axizor> yeah
[04:24] <axizor> i was just typing "how about a live iso"
[04:24] <daftykins> yes
[04:24] <B0073D> Then restart / reset
[04:25] <axizor> thans
[04:25] <axizor> thanks*
[04:25] <daftykins> axizor: so what class is this homework for? :)
[04:25] <thurstylark2> in that case, how do I get the octal value for permissions of a given file or directory?
[04:25] <axizor> personal question, im not in school
[04:25] <B0073D> axizor: It depends on what you are trying to achieve really
[04:26] <axizor> B0073D: I'm thinking on a forensics standpoint
[04:26] <omnitrix> you have guys 14.04?
[04:26] <sudormrf> but I am curious about a filename operator that will give me a filename from just a variable
[04:26] <sudormrf> can anyone help?
[04:26] <B0073D> if you're talking about the machine itself and nowhere else then I'd say live CD
[04:26] <axizor> omnitrix, join /#ubuntu+1
[04:27] <Bad_Advice_Cat> /join #ubuntu+1
[04:27] <axizor> alright, thanks B0073D
[04:27] <B0073D> but then you'd need to also make sure your memory is rewritten somehow
[04:27] <sudormrf> so here is the incron entry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7265610/
[04:27] <axizor> yes^
[04:27] <B0073D> You can sometimes get the contents of RAM even after a power down
[04:28] <mikeche1en> only after a very short time
[04:28] <Guest26045> hi
[04:28] <axizor> yeah b0073D, I know
[04:28] <omnitrix> ./join #iloveboxxy
[04:29] <B0073D> axizor: Apologies, just answering the question
[04:29] <sudormrf> and the script that it would run would be this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7265613/
[04:29] <axizor> No need to apology, I didn't mean it in the sense you were infering :)
[04:29] <sudormrf> so my question is on the second script, what can I use for the file name variable on line 7
[04:29] <axizor> Does linux touch unmounted drives at all?
[04:30] <B0073D> axizor: If you're worried about browsing the internet you also need to take other precautions eg VPN or TOR
[04:30] <sudormrf> anyone?
[04:30] <B0073D> axizor: Depends on the distro
[04:30] <B0073D> The answer SHOULD be no.
[04:30] <B0073D> But many will auto mount
[04:30] <axizor> yep, for some reason my inital question was about internet- just another thing on my mind lol
[04:30] <B0073D> Ah
[04:30] <Cheekio> daftykins, the bumblebee-project.org recommends the ubuntu-wiki guide to installing bumblebee, which caused conflicts.
[04:31] <Cheekio> just FYI, don't tell the next person to do what you told me.
[04:31] <daftykins> Cheekio: i've seen tonnes of people have it work fine, so i suspect something was wrong with your setup
[04:31] <sudormrf> is it $file?
[04:31] <sudormrf> anyone?!?!?
[04:31] <daftykins> Cheekio: also not every laptop is born the same
[04:31] <sudormrf> :D
[04:31] <daftykins> Cheekio: just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not fine elsewhere
[04:31] <axizor> hey guys whats the best zero write nix utility
[04:32] <rww> axizor: dd if=/dev/zero of=wherever
[04:32] <Cheekio> You're absolutely right, I'm sure it would have worked it if was 2012
[04:32] <B0073D> You may need to do that several times depending on the medium
[04:32] <daftykins> Cheekio: what relevance does the year have to whether you're able to get something working or not?
[04:32] <Cheekio> Whether or not the advice is up to date
[04:32] <rww> Cheekio, daftykins: take the pissing contest to PM, please
[04:32] <axizor> thanks rww, that can be run in desktop? (assuming its not the OS drive)
[04:32] <rww> axizor: yes
[04:33] <axizor> ty
[04:33] <sudormrf> …
[04:33] <daftykins> Cheekio: anyway perhaps if you detailed what went wrong it could be resolved
[04:34] <daftykins> Cheekio: however as the very first thing i said was wait for 14.04 to try newer options it's probably not worth trying to resolve whatever you have installed right now
[04:34] <sudormrf> daftykins: any advice?
[04:34] <daftykins> sudormrf: i don't see me replying
[04:34] <Genitrust> soooo, i think i have a man-in-the-middle on this network. would someone like to verify this with me? ;x
[04:34] <sudormrf> lelleelelele
[04:35] <Cheekio> Daftykins, please stop nickpinging me.
[04:35] <daftykins> er what, i'm helping you
[04:35] <daftykins> fair enough, you do not want to be helped. i shall stop.
[04:35] <Cheekio> You're not helping. You were already warned to take it to PM if you had anything else to say to me.
[04:36] <rww> To be clear: I don't care if you're going to have a support conversation, just if you're going to have an argument.
[04:36] <daftykins> i really don't see any arguing going on
[04:36] <daftykins> what conversation are you guys reading 0o
[04:38] <ljsoftnet> wine doesnt enable direct rendering, how do i let it enable?
[04:39] <sudormrf> is there a built in “variable” in bash for $filename? or will I have to define it.
[04:40] <rww> sudormrf: what is $filename supposed to point to?
[04:40] <sudormrf> rww: I am trying to receive a push notification once a file has been copied by incron
[04:40] <sudormrf> so the push notification will say something to the effect of “$filename has been copied!"
[04:41] <sudormrf> $filename being the name of the file that was just copied
[04:41] <sudormrf> :)
[04:41]  * rww pulls the manpage for incron
[04:41] <sudormrf> :D
[04:41] <sudormrf> this is for my btsync setup
[04:42] <rww> sudormrf: change script.sh" in the incron code snippet to script.sh $#". then, change $filename in the curl thing to $1
[04:43] <rww> sudormrf: that should either work or almost work :P
[04:43] <sudormrf> heh.  let me do a quick pastebin to make sure I understand
[04:44] <ljsoftnet> wine doesnt enable direct rendering, how do i let it enable?
[04:45] <sudormrf> rww: like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7265642/
[04:46] <rww> sudormrf: yep
[04:46] <sudormrf> k let me give it a go
[04:46] <rww> sudormrf: basically, you pass the event filename as a parameter to the shell script, then read it in
[04:46] <sudormrf> rww: that sounds like what I was looking for :D.  fingers crossed :D
[04:48] <Genitrust> so eh....
[04:48] <Genitrust> http://imgur.com/gm9S8FB
[04:48] <Genitrust> Pic 1 is the machine 1, where i am looking to connect to machine 2. Pic 2 is machine 2, the host.
[04:49] <Genitrust> am i messing something up? or is there definitely a man-in-the-middle going on here?
[04:52] <daftykins> Genitrust: are you wireless to that other one?
[04:53] <daftykins> Genitrust: also there's only one image on that link
[04:53] <lawnewbie> morning everyone
[04:53] <lawnewbie> i want to pratice wotagei
[04:53] <lawnewbie> >.<
[04:54] <carlnunes> :-)
[04:54] <lawnewbie> hei carl :-D
[04:54] <carlnunes> Hello
[04:55] <rvdv> When is 14.04 ready for download? ... they said 17th ... here it is, but what time?
[04:55] <rww> rvdv: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[04:55] <lawnewbie> i dont know
[04:55] <carlnunes> My same question, beat me too, it. LOL!
[04:55] <lawnewbie> can i update my OS with terminal :D
[04:55] <lawnewbie> lol hahahha
[04:55] <rvdv> rww: that's a fast reply :-)
[04:56] <carlnunes> See you all in the party room also.
[04:56] <rww> rvdv: I have it on standby, since it's a common question today :)
[04:57] <rww> r<tab>whenout<tab> generated that message
[04:57] <rvdv> :-)
[04:59] <Genitrust> daftykins, i realized i had the wrong link (there's another link for both images), and i figured out the issue. i wasn't doing -l on the keys in /etc/ssh hehe
[04:59] <lawnewbie> i wanna pratice wotajul
[04:59] <lawnewbie> see you
[05:00] <delinquentme> if I install the current release of 14.04 ... will there be any additional updates made before the official release ... which would cause problems on my installation?
[05:01] <rww> ubottu: final
[05:03] <ljsoftnet> wine doesnt enable direct rendering, how do i let it enable?
[05:04] <daftykins> !wine
[05:04] <daftykins> ljsoftnet: try their channel ^
[05:05] <captine> Hi all.  Wanting some help with the built in backup tool.  Read some reviews on it at https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/deja-dup/ which make me nervous (I just moved 100% to ubuntu and my backups are done to a central smb share which then sync's to crashplan).  Is the build in tool considered sufficient or should i use something else?
[05:07] <aneesh_> at what time is trusty expected to be released?
[05:07] <rww> aneesh_: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[05:07] <aneesh_> Ok :)
[05:08] <kc9iid> it is the 17th
[05:08] <daftykins> not on the west coast of the US it isn't
[05:09] <kc9iid> and many other places too.  I said that because of the snide remarks that some obvious bots and other have been making on the channel the last few weeks.
[05:10] <kc9iid> a bit less than helpful to say the least
[05:10] <daftykins> i can't tell whether i just wasn't in here for a last release or whether people are getting worse at patience ;)
[05:11] <b13> maybe both?
[05:12] <daftykins> well i wouldn't be able to tell they were getting worse if i had no reference
[05:12] <kc9iid> I've noticed the last few months that attitudes in here have gotten worse, like I said, "Less than helpful to say the least".  In fact it has gotten a rather bad reputation for just that.
[05:13] <daftykins> kc9iid: from those seeking help or those providing it?
[05:14] <jonascj> 14.04 at what time in which timezone today?
[05:14] <rww> jonascj: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[05:14] <kc9iid> seems to be from a bot or two, and some others who I think monitor the channel to provide help/answer questions. That's why I usually just monitor and rarely speak up in here.
[05:15] <aneesh_> lubuntu says 14.04 released
[05:15] <kc9iid> see what I mean?
[05:15] <aneesh_> but redirects to nothing
[05:15] <rww> kc9iid: I'm not a bot.
[05:15] <jonascj> rww: okay, I just thought they would set the "release date" after they had the product finished... not drag it out like game companies :)
[05:16] <rww> jonascj: They're not dragging it out. The release process doesn't take a set amount of time, so it's not a set release time.
[05:16] <daftykins> aneesh_: it must not be ready yet then!
[05:17] <punter> What time will 14.04 be released?
[05:17] <aneesh_> ok daftykins
[05:18] <jonascj> rww: "release process" = distrubtion of the new release? That I would agree could take a variable amount of time: "we will start 17th 10:00 CEST, but it might take a few days for the ISO's to hit every corner of the internet". But getting the release ready should be "done" at some point, leaving only distribution
[05:18] <rww> jonascj: nope. final testing and QA, seeding to the download mirrors, etc.
[05:18] <rww> jonascj: once all that's done, they hit the big button and it's released
[05:18] <rww> punter: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[05:18] <punter> thanks
[05:18] <rww> you're welcome :)
[05:20] <jonascj> rww: okay
[05:22] <ljsoftnet> wine doesnt enable direct rendering, how do i let it enable?
[05:23] <sudormrf> rww: it’s not calling the script, but that is probably something to do with incron.  I will look at it more tomorrow.
[05:23] <sudormrf> thanks
[05:24] <daftykins> ljsoftnet: i told you where to ask
[05:36] <demha> when trying to run VMWARE Player in a fresh install of ubunto 12.04 64bit, I get kernel headers for generic 3.11 .0-15 where not found. Though kernel header were installed as directed. kernels are there in /usr/src/linux-headers-3.11-015  Any ideas why its not working?
[05:41] <Gambit-> hoy folks
[05:41] <aeon-ltd> ahoy hoy
[05:42] <jmallory75> does anyone know what time 14.04 rolls out?
[05:42] <aeon-ltd> today
[05:42] <aeon-ltd> sometime
[05:42] <aeon-ltd> no specifics, just target dates
[05:42] <jmallory75> ugh...an eternity of waiting
[05:44] <Gambit-> jmallory75, I wanted to do some playing around with docker tonight too, but sounds like by the time I got the iso downloaded...
[05:45] <aeon-ltd> jmallory75: you seriously have nothing else to do?
[05:45] <jmallory75> I've never been so excited about a release
[05:45] <aeon-ltd> really?
[05:46] <jmallory75> I've been with Ubuntu since 8.04
[05:47] <aeon-ltd> heh i was on from 7 to 9/10 then i bailed
[05:47] <albus_dumbledore> jmallory75: me too
[05:47] <jmallory75> right on albus
[05:48] <albus_dumbledore> :)
[05:49] <albus_dumbledore> i hate adobe for letting firefox down :(
[05:49] <albus_dumbledore> *linux
[05:50] <mikeche1en> huh?
[05:50] <albus_dumbledore> adobe stopped developing flash player for linux
[05:51] <jmallory75> I prefer HTML5
[05:51] <mikeche1en> oh yeah that is annoying
[05:51] <mikeche1en> proprietary ftl :(
[05:51] <albus_dumbledore> hmm.... i think google is behind it :(
[05:51] <mikeche1en> lol i doubt it
[05:52] <mikeche1en> google tends to be relatively pro linux
[05:52] <mikeche1en> considering chromebook and android are both based on it
[05:52] <albus_dumbledore> no to promote chrome
[05:52] <rufphus> Except when it comes to Drive on Linux.
[05:52] <albus_dumbledore> becoz chrome has its own fp
[05:52] <jmallory75> you chrome promoter :)
[05:52] <albus_dumbledore> whereas mozilla doesnt
[05:52] <mikeche1en> rufphus: yeah the splintering of the google dev teams is super annoying
[05:53] <mikeche1en> albus_dumbledore: i think adobe just doesnt want to put the dev work in for such a small customer group
[05:53] <aeon-ltd> waiit no flash updates on linux since when?
[05:53] <albus_dumbledore> :O
[05:54] <mikeche1en> version 11?
[05:54] <albus_dumbledore> yeah
[05:54] <AndChat|110000> Hi
[05:54] <jmallory75> Hi AndChat
[05:55] <rufphus> mikeche1en: i can understand why they didn't have support for it at the beginning...spend more time developing for the wider audience...but to still not support it seems silly.
[05:55] <aeon-ltd> ok, google still bakes it into chrome though
[05:55] <jmallory75> I prefer Chrome over Chromium anyways
[05:55] <rufphus> Sorry, just catching up on what I missed. Flash is teh worst!
[05:56] <dotDeb> rufphus troo dat
[05:56] <mikeche1en> rufphus: it seems like that was an overall trend for them, they used to support a bunch of platforms like ios and android, then later dropped support for everything except the largest platforms
[05:56] <albus_dumbledore> aeon-ltd: so google will profit from it since people will switch from mozilla to chrome
[05:56] <mikeche1en> jmallory75: how come?
[05:56] <jmallory75> mikeche1en: I like the pretty icon
[05:56] <mikeche1en> good point
[05:57] <dotDeb> wow
[05:57] <rufphus> mikeche1en fiscally makes sense from their POV. sucks for the user who likes to use something out of the ordinary.
[05:57] <dotDeb> that's like the worst reason ever
[05:57] <dotDeb> :P
[05:57] <jmallory75> lol
[05:57] <dotDeb> you could just modify the icon anyways
[05:57] <dotDeb> and change the name
[05:57] <jmallory75> true
[05:57] <albus_dumbledore> :P
[05:58] <mikeche1en> rufphus: yeah that a fundamental problem with proprietary software though, nobody can maintain it except in-house devs
[05:58] <rufphus> mikeche1en: aye
[05:58] <g00fy> PARTY  (〜￣▽￣)〜
[05:58] <aeon-ltd> albus_dumbledore: google profits if you use firefox too, default search engine. only difference is now there is definitely more data to mine with chrome
[05:58] <albus_dumbledore> yeah
[05:58] <dotDeb> aeon-ltd assuming we don't change it
[05:58] <rufphus> aeon-ltd: stop scaring me (he said from his chromebook :P)
[05:59] <dotDeb> rufphus LOL
[05:59] <albus_dumbledore> g00fy: huh?
[05:59] <Keening_Product> I recently switched to Fedora MATE and Debian, but 'grats to the contributors to this release on what looks like a solid step back in the direction of functionality.
[05:59] <aeon-ltd> dotDeb: most people don't
[05:59] <dotDeb> aeon-ltd ik, you just said google still profits if we use firefox
[06:00] <dotDeb> aeon-ltd it's just not true in all cases
[06:00] <jmallory75> I like google because it reads my mind
[06:00] <g00fy> ubuntu told me on Facebook to join here, just to have a release party for version 14.04
[06:00] <g00fy> ;-)
[06:00] <dotDeb> g00fy yup
[06:00] <albus_dumbledore> google will get more personal data if we use chrome
[06:00] <rufphus> g00fy: there's a party?! hoooraaaay
[06:00] <jmallory75> I'm here for the party too
[06:00] <g00fy> sure!!  :D
[06:00] <albus_dumbledore> rufphus: :P
[06:00] <rufphus> so is chrome basically a key logger :P
[06:00] <dotDeb> |_<>__<>_|
[06:01] <albus_dumbledore> kind of
[06:01] <rufphus> i mean in an abstract kind of way albus_dumbledore
[06:01] <rufphus> i can totally see it.
[06:01] <albus_dumbledore> :D
[06:01] <lawnewbie> lol
[06:02] <rufphus> for the time being i'm willing to sacrifice that level of privacy for the ease of use i get using my chromebook
[06:02] <jmallory75> rufphus: I agree
[06:02] <albus_dumbledore> u using chromebook?
[06:02] <johefernan> TROOLO
[06:02] <albus_dumbledore> great! :D
[06:02] <rufphus> yeah. chromebook pixel from last years I/O
[06:03] <dotDeb> more like chromefewsheetsofpaper
[06:03] <johefernan> I'm just installing chrome os
[06:03] <johefernan> VirtualBox
[06:03] <Keening_Product> rufphus: I recently switched to Fedora MATE and Debian, but 'grats to the contributors to this release on what looks like a solid step back in the direction of functionality.
[06:03] <johefernan> :D
[06:03] <Keening_Product> whoops
[06:03] <Keening_Product> sorry rufphus
[06:03] <Keening_Product> seems hexchat is being buggy today
[06:03] <rufphus> Keening_Product: no worries
[06:03] <jmallory75> I tried MATE, but couldn't get into it
[06:04] <albus_dumbledore> anybody used zorin? :P
[06:04] <rufphus> dotDeb: not sure i follow your jab at chromeos. maybe a shot at its limited functionality. sorry, not trying to be rude. just trying to understand where you're coming from.
[06:04] <Keening_Product> rufphus, what I meant to do was ask why you don't just buy a cheap netbook and install a decent linux distro? It's not a LOT of effort.
[06:04] <daftykins> !offtopic
[06:04] <daftykins> you're all off topic, please join the above channel
[06:05] <dotDeb> rufphus yea just a cheap shot at netbooks
[06:05] <dotDeb> daftykins yessir.
[06:05] <daftykins> albus_dumbledore: zorin is not supported here so no discussion please.
[06:05] <Keening_Product> Oh right, the Ubuntu FB page said to join in here to celebrate 14.04's release.
[06:05] <albus_dumbledore> :P
[06:05] <dotDeb> keening_product mhmmmmmmm
[06:05] <rufphus> #join #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:05] <rww> Keening_Product: oh dear. #ubuntu-release-party would be better for that :D
[06:05] <jmallory75> we're off topic....heavens noooooooooo
[06:06] <btroot> Congrats on release !!! Cheers !!!!
[06:06] <dotDeb> offtopic = collapse of the world
[06:06] <jmallory75> lol @ dotDeb
[06:07] <beakr> Hats off to the Ubuntu developers on the new release. UNIX 4 Life. \o/
[06:09] <jmallory75> is it ready yet???
[06:10] <rww> jmallory75: nope, but you can come party anyway in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like :)
[06:10] <jmallory75> I'm going to the party
[06:11] <MrSwed3n> anyone that can join #ubuntu‬-release-party ?
[06:12] <rww> MrSwed3n: you can't?
[06:12] <rww> should be able to
[06:15] <DO9XE> I heard there is a release party in here? :)
[06:15] <ikonia> DO9XE: you heard wrong, its #ubuntu-release-party
[06:15] <DO9XE> damn :D
[06:15] <DO9XE> but thanks :)
[06:17] <MrSwed3n> rww: i´m in now :)
[06:17] <rww> MrSwed3n: yay :)
[06:18] <stunts513> i was trying to compile a specific version of llvm and clang along with it, and i'm wondering if there were any special paramters i needed outside of what i did for clang to compile and work with ubuntu? as is it does not respond to commands
[06:19] <MannerMan> yey 14.04 today!
[06:19] <ikonia> stunts513: should be nothing specific, it's just a linux distro like any other
[06:20] <incon> time for the release?
[06:20] <ikonia> incon: no, or there would be an annoucment
[06:20] <stunts513> ah well my clang doesnt do anything, no matter what you do it just exits without any text, doesnt respond to paramters or anything
[06:20] <rww> incon: you can party with us in #ubuntu-release-party in the meantime, if you'd like :)
[06:21] <stunts513> normally i would just install this from the repos but i'm testing out a arm decompiler to try to get a arm binary into c code
[06:21] <stunts513> and it calls for specific revisions of llvm and clang
[06:21] <ikonia> stunts513: it's your build, you'll need to fix it
[06:21] <lawnewbie> yeah ofcourse
[06:21] <lawnewbie> :))
[06:25] <TinCan_Assassin> Question: Is this upgrade recommended for machines with a Pentium M CPU?
[06:25] <ikonia> TinCan_Assassin: up to you
[06:26] <Artemis3> careful TinCan_Assassin some Pentium M dont have PXE
[06:26] <TinCan_Assassin> What is PXE?
[06:26] <daftykins> do you maybe mean PAE?
[06:26] <Artemis3> sorry PAE
[06:26] <rww> they mean PAE, and it's a CPU thing required by Ubuntu
[06:27] <TinCan_Assassin> Ok, that I grok
[06:27] <rww> TinCan_Assassin: which Ubuntu are you using right now?
[06:27] <rww> 12.04, 13.10, something else?
[06:27] <TinCan_Assassin> 12.04 LTS
[06:27] <rww> I think you'll be fine upgrading, then.
[06:27] <TinCan_Assassin> Much obliged, thanks.
[06:27] <snufft> stupid question, but does Ubuntu use bash or dash? I'm running 13.10 and a script i wrote is failing on another user's computer (Fedora I think)
[06:28] <rww> snufft: /bin/sh is aliased to dash. user shells default to bash
[06:28] <snufft> rww, if i run bash myscriptname.sh does that force it to run under bash?
[06:29] <snufft> (sorry, i'm noob as far as bash goes)
[06:29] <rww> snufft: is the first line of the shell script #!/bin/sh
[06:29] <rww> if so, it's gonna run under dash regardless, I think
[06:29] <rww> if it needs to be bash, change the sh to bash
[06:29] <snufft> rww, no worries. thanks heaps :)
[06:29] <Guest98338> hello
[06:30] <Guest98338> where can i d/l 14.04 final?
[06:30] <rww> Guest98338: you can't, because it's not done yet
[06:30] <locodir-user-Ian> not done yet? hurry up, you've had ages
[06:31] <TinCan_Assassin> They're still polishing the brass on the electrons. Do you know how hard it is to get an electron to hold still for that?
[06:31] <rww> locodir-user-Ian: can't rush QA :)
[06:31] <rww> locodir-user-Ian: while you're waiting, feel free to /join #ubuntu-release-party, though :)
[06:31] <Artemis3> its getting mirrored, but pretty much done. Just check ubuntu.com later
[06:32] <locodir-user-Ian> what's the situation with release downloads? Will there be a huge download spike whereby nobody gets anything fast enough, or are those days gone what with CDNs now.
[06:32] <carlnunes> We over here at the release party, super fun.
[06:33] <Artemis3> they replicate the isos before official announce to mitigate that, that is occurring now.
[06:33] <rww> locodir-user-Ian: We encourage people to use torrents these days, it helps that a lot. But it'll be on a bunch of mirrors, which will probably mostly fall over.
[06:33] <locodir-user-Ian> ah, good to know.
[06:34] <rww> which is one reason the upgrade notifications for new versions of Ubuntu through Update Manager don't go out on release day :D
[06:34] <locodir-user-Ian> Oh I see, so letting the existing install pick it up will have a delay until everything's comfy
[06:35] <markosejic> good morning
[06:37] <TinCan_Assassin> What's that release party channel again?
[06:37] <ikonia> #ubuntu-release-party
[06:37] <TinCan_Assassin> Thanks
[06:39] <coolty> Touhou radio anyone? http://vertvps.com:8000/listen.ogg.m3u
[06:39] <bobfox> guys, the daily images for latest ISO for April 17 are now available.
[06:39] <ikonia> bobfox: so ?
[06:40] <locodir-user-Ian> I wonder if there's a way of selecting to sync the desired ISO through Ubuntu One — a final act.
[06:40] <bobfox> so you can get it now.
[06:40] <ikonia> bobfox: so no you can't, those are daily builds.
[06:40] <ikonia> bobfox: you need the official release image
[06:41] <bobfox> wouldn't the daily build for today be the same?
[06:41] <ikonia> no
[06:41] <rww> bobfox: not if there are bugs in it
[06:41] <ikonia> bobfox: so perhaps just wait for the offical release
[06:41] <ikonia> like everyones else rather than trying to get ahead
[06:41] <PotatoHead007> Heya peeps :D
[06:42] <locodir-user-Ian> would today's build be a very very very early alpha of 14:10?
[06:42] <rww> locodir-user-Ian: nope
[06:42] <bobfox> i would actually be curious to see the difference between the two images. i would be surprised if there was any difference at all.
[06:42] <PotatoHead007> Can someone tell me if 14.04 is ready to download, and if so, where?
[06:42] <rww> PotatoHead007: it's not yet, still doing final QA and such
[06:42] <PotatoHead007> aw  ok thanks :)
[06:43] <Mikerhinos> what source I have to uncheck to have only stable updates after 14.04 upgrade ? proposed ? (I have it all checked right now)
[06:44] <PotatoHead007> But it should be available today right?
[06:44] <ikonia> PotatoHead007: sometime in the 17th
[06:44] <ikonia> (or 18th depending on your time zone)
[06:44] <PotatoHead007> GMT +2 :) thanks
[06:44] <bobfox> what time zone is official release?
[06:45] <ikonia> bobfox: there is no set time
[06:45] <ikonia> as you've just seen me say "sometime on the 17th"
[06:45] <bobfox> so how do they claim the 17th if there is no official timezone to dedicate to the 17th?
[06:45] <ikonia> bobfox: who cares, just wait for the release
[06:45] <bobfox> i care...
[06:45] <MannerMan> Will there be DVD's of 14.04 available to buy from Canonical?
[06:45] <ikonia> bobfox: then email canonical
[06:46] <rww> MannerMan: I expect so, yes
[06:46] <PotatoHead007> I am really exited :P Been waiting for it since 12.04 LTS
[06:46] <Mikerhinos> I think that it's PST, and if it's the case, it's still wednesday 16th lol
[06:46] <MannerMan> rww: Nice :)
[06:46] <daftykins> i'm off now, to ikonia and rww - i wish you the strength to endure the coming hours of this non-stop tirade of impatience
[06:46] <daftykins> \o
[06:46] <bobfox> i have. and i get ignored. completely.
[06:46] <rww> bobfox: come care in #ubuntu-release-party then, that's where all the excitement is :)
[06:46] <ikonia> bobfox: unlucky
[06:46] <bobfox> rww: i'm in there already.
[06:46] <rww> bobfox: good, now start ignoring this place, it's boring :D
[06:47] <bobfox> rww: lol
[06:47] <Hxxx> is ubuntu 12.04 lts safe to use as webserver? even if for some reason PHP is 5.3? any info on that?
[06:47] <ikonia> Hxxx: it's used in production so yes it's "safe"
[06:48] <bobfox> ikonia: btw, to clarify; it's anticipation, not impatience.
[06:48] <ikonia> Hxxx: however only safe as the people who contain it
[06:48] <rww> Hxxx: Yep! Ubuntu backports security fixes to the version in 12.04's repositories, instead of upgrading to new major versions.
[06:48] <ikonia> bobfox:  I didn't say anything
[06:48] <ikonia> Hxxx: maintain it is the right word.
[06:48] <rww> Hxxx: so it looks out of date, but it's security patched
[06:48] <bobfox> Hxxx: my critical server runs 12.04. it performs well. ;-)
[06:48] <bobfox> ikonia: i know. just before you did.
[06:49] <Hxxx> ikonia,rww, uhm so that means that even if the version let say 5.3.13 is the version of php if im not wrong, are you guys saying it still has all the patches of the newest 5.3 as of today?
[06:50] <konobi> howdy all
[06:50] <bobfox> konobi: hey.
[06:50] <rww> Hxxx: security patches, yep. See http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ for security update notices, I think there's a relatively recent PHP one
[06:50] <bobfox> rww: i can confirm 12.04 did recently get a php update.
[06:52] <konobi> I'm running into an issue where when I add crashkernel=128M to the grub bootline for my saucy 3.11.0-18 kernel, it just hangs after grub (hardware cursor flahing)
[06:52] <Hxxx> rww, so the package number of ubuntu is not the same as for example the debian one.
[06:52] <Hxxx> let say php 5.3.10 in both
[06:52] <Hxxx> i mean the content****
[06:53] <rww> Hxxx: Debian have the same sort of situation as us for security updates for released version. But yeah, usually there are different versions.
[06:53] <Didou> link dowload 14.04 ?
[06:53] <in_deep_thought> are there any alarm clock apps on ubuntu that keep your computer from going to sleep? or wake it up? There are 10000s of alarm clock apps I see but when I set them my computer just falls asleep so it doesn't matter if the app is even there
[06:53] <rww> Didou: it isn't out yet
[06:53] <ikonia> Didou: it's not released yet
[06:53] <ikonia> Didou: try joining #ubuntu-release-party
[06:53] <Didou> ok
[06:53] <antonio_> Hey folks
[06:54] <lagbox> tell your computer to not go to sleep
[06:54] <antonio_> How can I find the location of an executable?
[06:54] <rww> antonio_: whereis programnamehere
[06:54] <lagbox> which
[06:55] <konobi> is there a better channel to get this sort of help with? it's somewhat involved
[06:55] <ikonia> konobi: what happens if you lower the value
[06:56] <ikonia> konobi: or raise it
[06:56] <ikonia> konobi: is it the parameter in general, or the value
[06:56] <antonio_> thanks
[06:57] <konobi> ikonia: just the parameter in general it seems
[06:58] <ikonia> konobi: have you got things like kdump installed ?
[06:58] <boynux> Hi
[06:59] <ruby_on_tails> for some reason or another I keep formatting my system or change my computer, is there a way to keep a master installer system with the set of apps I use so that for every new setup I simply trigger it and all my apps with preset configs get installed?
[06:59] <boynux> What time 14.04 will be available?
[06:59] <ikonia> boynux: thre is no set time
[06:59] <rww> boynux: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[06:59] <bazhang> no one knows
[06:59] <boynux> rww, thanks
[06:59] <konobi> ikonia: yes, it's all there in place, it's just when attempting to add the crashkernel parameter to the system kernel boot line
[07:00] <ikonia> konobi: try setting it to "auto" for a test
[07:01] <AjitS> ubuntu 14.04 :)
[07:02] <konobi> ikonia: that will complain about the format
[07:02] <ikonia> konobi: what do you mean ?
[07:03] <konobi> infact the default that is set doesn't work either... it'll say "please use format X@Y"
[07:03] <ikonia> konobi: so crashkernel=auto doesn't work for you
[07:03] <Kartagis> okay, I have an issue. a while ago, I had a problem with my video not displaying full screen on TV over HDMI cable. after long efforts and with ActionParsnip's help, I was able to change resolution. now I have a different problem. when I plug in the HDMI cable, I absolutely get NO output. how can I solve that?
[07:03] <ikonia> it complains that the format is wrong ?
[07:04] <konobi> ikonia: correct
[07:04] <ikonia> Kartagis: probably just not detecting it, manually set/enable it
[07:04] <ikonia> Kartagis: (xrandr for example)
[07:04] <ikonia> Kartagis: that's odd, it works for me
[07:04] <ikonia> Kartagis: oops sorry that was for konobi
[07:04] <ikonia> konobi: most odd
[07:04] <chofoteddy> Estoy en espera del lanzamiento xD 14.04 LTS
[07:04] <Kartagis> ikonia: how can I revert it back to its own resolution?
[07:04] <ikonia> konobi: would I be safe to guess you are following this https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/kernel-crash-dump.html
[07:04] <konobi> yeah, has me puzzled too
[07:05] <Kartagis> !es | chofoteddy
[07:05] <konobi> ikonia: yup and the full kdump.txt too
[07:05] <ikonia> Kartagis: revert it back ? you just said it's you're getting no output
[07:05] <ikonia> konobi: that's really odd
[07:05] <ikonia> konobi: it normally behaves fine....
[07:06] <ikonia> konobi: I'm assuming this is a physical host, nothing virtual
[07:06] <Kartagis> ikonia: yes I did, I thought maybe it was because of high res?
[07:06] <chofoteddy> Thanks :)
[07:06] <SMWim> Hi
[07:06] <konobi> ikonia: yes, i believe so
[07:06] <ekiwok> when 14.04 comes out?
[07:06] <SMWim> When does the new ubuntu come out?
[07:06] <rww> ekiwok: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[07:06] <ikonia> konobi: what does uname -a show (lets look at the basics)
[07:06] <rww> SMWim: ^
[07:07] <SMWim> is there free drinks in the party?
[07:07] <konobi> Linux build-ramen3 3.11.0-18-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 18 21:13:28 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:07] <rww> SMWim: sure, if you bring your imagination :D
[07:07] <ekiwok> rww, ok I'm joining !
[07:07] <ikonia> konobi: ok, so all standard stuff,
[07:07] <konobi> yup
[07:08] <ikonia> konobi: never seen that behaviour outside of a xen guest
[07:08] <konobi> oh yeah, very my a physical host... i'm using ipmi (duh)
[07:09] <konobi> *much
[07:09] <ikonia> konobi: boot the box without it in place, and look in /proc/cmdline - does it enable crashdump with the default values if you do nothing at boot time
[07:09] <antonio_> Hey folks...
[07:09] <antonio_> So I just got a Smart Tv..and I'm trying to stream movies to it.  I have minidlna installed.  How do I use this?
[07:10] <SMWim> Is there a live video showing the official countdown?
[07:10] <aeon-ltd> antonio_: damn you still here from yesterday?
[07:11] <antonio_> aeon-ltd: I didn't really mess with it yesterday..I was exhausted
[07:11] <konobi> ikonia: it's not in there currently
[07:11] <ikonia> konobi: so if you boot without the craskkernel parameter, the kernel doesn't configure/enable anything by default,
[07:11] <ikonia> (just to confirm)
[07:11] <konobi> and  /sys/kernel/kexec_* are all 0
[07:12] <ikonia> konobi: ok, so expected behaviour then
[07:12] <ikonia> konobi: this REALLY shouldn't matter, but use the example entry on this page for your boot line https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/kernel-crash-dump.html
[07:12] <ikonia> konobi: see if it gives a format error, or just fails to boot
[07:12] <BlueEagle> antonio_: You configure it, and connect to it I guess.
[07:14] <BlueEagle> antonio_: There is an article about it on ArchWiki which seems ok: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MiniDLNA
[07:15] <aeon-ltd> BlueEagle: i dont hink ubuntu uses a daemon system though
[07:15] <n4uah> hey anyone working at canonical?
[07:16] <rww> n4uah: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support. Non-Canonical folks tend to be good at that too :)
[07:17] <n4uah> yep i know
[07:17] <n4uah> but something to do with it..
[07:17] <n4uah> :)
[07:17] <ikonia> n4uah: just ask your question
[07:17] <ikonia> if someone can help they will
[07:18] <masoud92m> 1
[07:18] <konobi> ikonia: roger... rebooting now
[07:18] <n4uah> nah its about the next version..
[07:18] <n4uah> ;)
[07:19] <rww> let's see... no, it isn't out yet, it'll be out when it's ready
[07:19] <aeon-ltd> n4uah: there is a +1 channel you know?
[07:19] <rww> voila, I am excellent emulator of a Canonical employee :D
[07:20] <konobi> ikonia: ah... now i'm just getting a flashing hardware cursor
 which one?
[07:20] <calzifer> hi, how can i remove/change the unity keyboard shortcuts super+[1-9] ? ubuntu 14.04
[07:20] <rww> n4uah: #ubuntu+1
[07:21] <ikonia> konobi: so odd
[07:21] <konobi> ikonia: i also have 'test nomodeset' tacked on the end too
[07:22] <ikonia> konobi: dump that, deal with one thing at a time
[07:23] <n4uah> rww: which network?
[07:23] <ht3k> How much longer until 14.04 is released?
[07:23] <rww> ht3k: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[07:23] <rww> n4uah: this one
[07:24] <n4uah> ohh k..
[07:24] <chadwin> yes I was aking my self the same question.....I NEDD 14.04.....and I need it NOW...lol
[07:24] <aeon-ltd> in brief what is different?
[07:24] <ht3k> I know that feel D:
[07:24] <konobi> mkay... reordered things a little and now have Booting a command list... then the flashing cursor
[07:24] <n4uah> maybe it will release today.
[07:24] <n4uah> 14.04
[07:24] <ht3k> Well today is the 17th, it's just a matter of when today X_X
[07:25] <konobi> ikonia: text/nomodereset aren't at issue... have tested that already
[07:25] <antonio_> blueeagle: do you know of a dlna program with a gui?
[07:25] <konobi> xbmc?
[07:27] <BlueEagle> antonio_: I do not. I use Plex media server for my streaming requirements.
[07:27] <konobi> ikonia: it also seems as if the kernel isn't getting loaded properly or that the start address pointer just becomes wrong
[07:27] <ikonia> konobi: can you expand on that (is this a good non-parameter enabled boot you're referencing)
[07:29] <Abhishek_> how many hours to 14.04?
[07:29] <konobi> so the only change is the crashkernel=..., which obviously then sets some memory aside... so it seems like something about that reservation affects the normal boot sequence (ah... bootloaders...)
[07:30] <ikonia> konobi: I'm going to need to think/research this a bit as I've never seen this behaviour
[07:31] <rww> Abhishek_: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[07:31] <ikonia> konobi: while I see what you're saying about memory not being allocated, I'd then expect something more than a "flashing cursor"
[07:31] <Abhishek_> rww : :)
[07:31] <konobi> yeah... me too...
[07:31] <ikonia> konobi: the flashing kernel is normally "can't get anywhere" where as the situation you describe I'd expect an error or warning
[07:32] <ikonia> konobi: eg: on my test machine here if I set the crashmemory to 8G - which is more ram than I have, it boots, warns me that the addresses are out of range and crash dump will be disabled
[07:33] <Mikerhinos> chromium won't auto connect to my gmail profile on app launch...I have to manually connect each time, pretty annoying (and pepperflash often freezes it). Was working perfectly yesterday :s
[07:33] <konobi> ikonia: yeah, i had seen similar-ish stuff when i was messing with ipxe
[07:33] <n4uah> use chrome..
[07:33] <ikonia> konobi: that's why the memory not being allocated suggestion doesn't sit well with me, but I get your logic
[07:34] <john1999> when will Ubuntu 14.04 be released?
[07:34] <rww> john1999: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[07:34] <ikonia> john1999: some point in the next 24 hours
[07:35] <chaos7theory> They should just set the bot to automatically reply
[07:35] <john1999> ok ikonia
[07:35] <njhcamp> lets hope its sooner than later
[07:35] <konobi> ikonia: and you're going against the same kernel version?
[07:35] <Zinbabwa> h3ll o
[07:36] <ikonia> konobi: not on the test machine no,
[07:37] <Zinbabwa> what version of ubuntu client is stable these days?
[07:39] <j_f-f> Hi, does U1 not shutdown? I can sign up a new accout
[07:40] <ikonia> it's shutdown
[07:42] <j_f-f> ikonia: Thanks
[07:48] <konobi> ikonia: should be the same under vt-x
[07:49] <ekiwok_> what is the name of next release ubuntu party room?
[07:49] <rww> ekiwok_: #ubuntu-release-party
[07:50] <blood_moon> is there anyone still use ubuntu?
[07:50] <lagbox> nope
[07:50] <DJones> blood_moon: Yes, lots of people
[07:51]  * salsero does
[07:52] <TrySdD> when is ubuntu going to be released?
[07:52] <rww> TrySdD: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[07:54] <electricprism> Isn't there supposed to be a release today or something?
[07:54] <rww> electricprism: yep!
[07:54] <DJones> Yes, but later in the day
[07:54] <electricprism> rww: i see, its 1am in california, @djones - like 12 hours?
[07:54] <electricprism> or 24?
[07:54] <rww> electricprism: < 12, I'd guess
[07:54] <electricprism> I couldn't find news about it anywhere really
[07:55] <electricprism> cool thx
[07:55] <rww> it's very much not set in stone, though
[07:56] <Svet_Roid> It is set in stone like cheese is set on pizza
[07:56] <Svet_Roid> Very carefully
[07:58] <quryt> hello all
[07:58] <yoav_> hi
[07:59] <yoav_> is there a release hour for 14.04?
[07:59] <rww> yoav_: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[08:04] <AhmadRR> Guys , 14.04 still using unity?
[08:04] <rww> AhmadRR: yes
[08:06] <DJones> AhmadRR: Default ubuntu is, but obviously, K/X/Lubuntu all user different desktops so you still have the choice
[08:06] <AhmadRR> 14.04 havent released yet?
[08:06] <rww> AhmadRR: correct
[08:07] <llutz> oh "is-it-out-now" day again...
[08:07] <rww> yep!
[08:07] <rww> i have a /completion and everything
[08:07] <sweb> 14.04 stable not released yet
[08:07] <llutz> autoresponder :)
[08:07] <AhmadRR> Hmmmm
[08:07] <antonio_>  Hey folks...so I'm guessing that my new smart T.V. doesn't have dlna support.  Does anyone know if there is a way to update firmware...or if there is another way to stream stuff from my laptop to a smart tv?
[08:07] <sweb> ?
[08:08] <AhmadRR> 3PM here , i wondered why ubuntu havent released the stable.
[08:09] <DJones> antonio_: You'd need to check with the manufacturer about specifics for your tv, you could connect a cable and use something like XBMC as a media manager
[08:09] <AhmadRR> At what hour btw usually this thing released?
[08:09] <rww> AhmadRR: there isn't a set hour
[08:09] <antonio_> Djones: what kind of cable?
[08:09] <rww> AhmadRR: it'll be out when it's ready
[08:09] <Ben64> AhmadRR: check back in 24 hours
[08:09] <AhmadRR> Ok bro
[08:10] <DJones> antonio_: That'll depend on your computer & tv, hdmi is probably best, but again depends on your hardware & tv
[08:10] <john1999> test
[08:10] <ChipsUbuntu> alright guys, I need a hand
[08:10] <Ben64> ubuntubot?
[08:10] <ChipsUbuntu> like big time
[08:10] <rww> Ben64: someone's being silly
[08:11] <jpentland> !botsnack
[08:11] <PTBD> hello. how does it ubuntu normally take to get software updates? for example. if a new kernel is released, how long does it take that it will be installed to the user?
[08:11] <AhmadRR> PTBD : Depends on your internet connection maybe?
[08:11] <PTBD> no.
[08:12] <PTBD> I mean when do the devs make it available to update is what I mean
[08:12] <k1l_> PTBD: depends if its a security issue and how fast your mirror is synced
[08:13] <ChipsUbuntu> I'm on the "test drive" version of ubuntu, but I have Ubuntu 12.10 installed in dual-boot alongside Win7(32 bit). My problem is that in the "test version", my Broadcom BCM4312 wifi "receiver" works, but in the actual installed 12.10 it doesn't. Help!
[08:14] <PTBD> k1l_, let's say it is not an security issue. will it be released at all or do they stay with the already used version.
[08:14] <Ben64> ChipsUbuntu: 12.10 is set to lose support tomorrow. you should upgrade to 14.04
[08:15] <ChipsUbuntu> yikes. Thanks ben64. How do you do that? (I just installed that version, uh, like, 4 hours)
[08:15] <jelly> Ben64: can one skip releases for ubuntu upgrades or will that be a three step?
[08:15] <abito> hello!
[08:15] <ChipsUbuntu> *ago
[08:15] <rww> jelly: only for LTS to LTS, so it'd be multiple steps
[08:15] <Ben64> ChipsUbuntu: you just installed 12.10? its a fairly old release... came out october 2012. are you sure you didn't mean 13.10?
[08:16] <jelly> ChipsUbuntu: if you just installed it, you may as well give that up and use 14.04 when it gets releases today
[08:16] <creature> How do I stop Bluetooth from being enabled on my laptop whenever I turn it on or resume from suspend?
[08:16] <ChipsUbuntu> Ben64, absolutely 100% positive about the 12.10
[08:16] <k1l_> PTBD: in general, ubuntu does only patch the versions and not upgrade the versions in one ubuntu release
[08:16] <ChipsUbuntu> alright. Now. For the next problem. How do you uninstall an OS?
[08:16] <PTBD> k1l_, I see. thanks
[08:16] <ChipsUbuntu> (or I could just restore my backup)
[08:17] <k1l_> PTBD: if you look at heartbleed the fix was uploaded to the servers on 7th april, so the security fixes are quite fast.
[08:18] <Ben64> ChipsUbuntu: if you wanted to go back to windows only, you'd need to have windows re-write the mbr, and then delete the ubuntu partition(s), if you wanted to install 14.04, you can format and install where 12.10 currently resides
[08:18] <PTBD> k1l_, is it the same for firefox for example. if firefox 29 is realesd next week will they update it or only if there are security flaws?
[08:18] <KemarinAkuDatang> Is there any good cloud storage that worked well with ubuntu? Besides GDrive
[08:19] <cfhowlett> !cloud|KemarinAkuDatang
[08:19] <KemarinAkuDatang> Is it free?
[08:19] <ChipsUbuntu> Ben64, oh god. I don't have the windows CD with me.
[08:19]  * ChipsUbuntu is not in a pretty position
[08:19] <k1l_> PTBD: there are some exceptions. firefox is one exception. usually some days afterwards there will be the new version (the small delay is because its tested to run with all ubuntu stuff)
[08:19] <cfhowlett> KemarinAkuDatang look at the site for details
[08:20] <ChipsUbuntu> (to re-write the mbr)
[08:20]  * timmoe can't await the 14.04 release .__.
[08:20] <PTBD> k1l_, thank you.
[08:20] <k1l_> !party | timmoe
[08:20] <Ben64> ChipsUbuntu: probably don't need it, you can ask in ##windows for methods of writing the mbr
[08:20] <timmoe> k, thank you ^^
[08:21] <ChipsUbuntu> Ben64, good point. Y'know what? I'll just restore my backup from right before the installation. It's 3:20am and I'm not in the mood to complicate my life :p thanks for the help and pointers!
[08:22] <ChipsUbuntu> (and I should sleep. Class tomorrow. Fun stuff)
[08:22] <KemarinAkuDatang> Any vernian here?
[08:23] <abito> hei, from a few day i can't see on my network the shared folder from samba. i've change my network card, and now i can't see the shared folder, any suggestion?
[08:27] <LongCatTH> current daily build = 14.04 ?
[08:27] <LongCatTH> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/MD5SUMS http://mirror1.ku.ac.th/ubuntu-trusty/MD5SUM
[08:27] <llutz> LongCatTH: trusty = 14.04
[08:28] <rww> ubuntu 14.04 isn't out yet, so by definition it isn't equal to things
[08:28] <DJones> LongCatTH: Still test version, hasn't been released yet
[08:28] <k1l_> !party | LongCatTH
[08:29] <gabmus> hello, i want to set my scroll lock key as caps lock, how do i do that?
[08:29] <mark__> i have an irc link, how do i reassociate the link to smuxi?
[08:30] <konobi> ikonia: what's even weirder is that ones that are the incorrect format, etc. still go through
[08:32] <rt280> !history
[08:33] <rt280> !help
[08:34] <rt280> !patience
[08:35] <k1l_> rt280: do you have a ubuntu support question?
[08:35] <rt280> when is 14.04 gonna come ?
[08:35] <rww> rt280: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which will probably be some time on the 17th. There is no set time. You can party in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to hang out with us in the meantime :)
[08:35] <ikonia> konobi: it's an interesting one for sure
[08:35] <cfhowlett> rt280 when it's done.
[08:38] <klaver> still has some bugs on upgrade: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/314/builds/66767/testcases
[08:41] <someHuman> When is 14.04 release date?
[08:42] <ikonia> today
[08:42] <ikonia> at some point in the next 24 hours
[08:42] <k1l_> !party | someHuman
[08:42] <someHuman> Let's party!
[08:42] <someHuman> ikonia: Thanks!
[08:43] <avlahop> Hello to all
[08:43] <someHuman> avlahop: Hi!
[08:43] <mark__> will i be able to update from 14.04 beta 2 to final?
[08:43] <avlahop> Good morning from Greece
[08:43] <mark__> good morning
[08:43] <cfhowlett> !final|mark__
[08:43] <someHuman> avlahop: Good morning Greece!
[08:43] <avlahop> People with 14.04 on their computers what must they do?
[08:43] <LongCatTH> 14.04 will use MIR instead of Xorg by default right?
[08:43] <someHuman> mark__: Yeah I guess so.
[08:43] <avlahop> Or will they be automatically updated?
[08:43] <rww> LongCatTH: no
[08:44] <mark__> 14.04 works so well with my 7950, can't wait for canonical to use the newer amd drivers
[08:44] <LongCatTH> why not lol
[08:44] <someHuman> I have 13.04 right now, how do I upgrade to 14.04?
[08:44] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade|someHuman
[08:44] <DJones> someHuman: You need to upgrade to 13.10 first, and the 14.04
[08:44] <k1l_> LongCatTH: mir is included but its priority is on phones and tablets so far. 14.10 is the target for destop
[08:44] <LongCatTH> kill_: thanks
[08:44] <JesseB__> someHuman: I would wait about a day before starting this process.... 14.04 will be released soon but not yet
[08:45] <gabmus> unity is for plebs. gnome 3.11 is the way to go
[08:45] <someHuman> JesseB__: Ah ok. Thanks!
[08:45] <gabmus> jk
[08:45] <gabmus> 3.12*
[08:45] <mark__> unity is pretty good
[08:45] <someHuman> DJones: If I do that, I won't be even able to use 13.10 due to some graphic problem/being stuck with low graphics mode.
[08:45] <gabmus> i dont like it
[08:45] <mark__> it's advertising under wear for women >_>
[08:46] <k1l_> gabmus: you got the choice which desktop you want to use. no need to rant in here
[08:46] <Guest2343> !isitout
[08:46] <gabmus> k1l_, right, im not in #ubuntu-offtopic, sorry
[08:48] <gabmus> can i ask about my problem again?
[08:49] <mishoch> Hi people, I have an ubuntu 12.04 server on amazon AWS and installed the updated openssl 1.0.1g version on it. However I've been reading that nginx needs to be reinstalled, too. I uninstalled it and installed a binary package, but when ran the command [strings /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 | grep "^OpenSSL "] to check which version nginx is using, it's not the right version. Any idea where I can find step-by-step commands to 
[08:50] <ikonia> mishoch: ldd the binary
[08:50] <ikonia> mishoch: see where it's linked against
[08:51] <ikonia> mishoch: from what you're saying though I suspect it's linked into nginx
[08:51] <mishoch> @ikonia, can you give me a command to see where it's linked against?
[08:51] <mishoch> cause I'm not an experienced linux user
[08:52] <geirha> ldd /bin/bash    shows what bash is linked against
[08:53] <Flannel> mishoch: How did you install the updated 1.0.1g version?
[08:53] <mishoch> that's the result of ldd /bin/bash
[08:53] <mishoch>         linux-vdso.so.1 =>  (0x00007fffb67b0000)         libtinfo.so.5 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 (0x00007ff798b62000)         libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007ff79895e000)         libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007ff79859d000)         /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007ff798d92000)
[08:54] <mishoch> I installed it using [curl https://www.openssl.org/source/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz | tar xz && cd openssl-1.0.1g && sudo ./config && sudo make && sudo make install] and then [sudo ln -sf /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl `which openssl`]
[08:55] <Flannel> mishoch: Yeah, that's not right.  Ubuntu (and most linuxes) use packages to control program versions and things, and not compiling from source.
[08:55] <mar77i> hello #ubuntu. I moved this system to a new machine here and right now I'm a bit stuck
[08:56] <Flannel> mishoch: The correct way to update is "sudo apt-get libssl1.0.0"
[08:56] <geirha> mishoch: Well, obviously you run it against the binary you're interested about. I just showed an example of how to use ldd
[08:56] <mar77i> booting stops at re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-readonly
[08:56] <mar77i> so, early userspace seems up and running, but I don't seem to be getting PID 1
[08:57] <mishoch> Flannel, will this overwrite the current package?
[08:57] <mishoch> geirha, thanks
[08:57] <Flannel> mishoch: What do you mean?
[08:57] <mar77i> I already reinstalled upstart with apt-get install --reinstall upstart... but now?
[08:57] <mishoch> Flannel: how do I uninstall the openssl 101g I already have installed
[08:58] <mishoch> do I need to do it before running the apt-get command?
[08:58] <Flannel> mishoch: Ugh.
[08:58] <geirha> mishoch: If you're lucky, you can run make uninstall in the source tree
[08:58] <Flannel> So, ok, since you overwrote the openssl from the package, what you need to first do is "sudo apt-get install openssl"
[08:59] <Flannel> mishoch: once that's done, lets just double check that that's not a link to your local version.
[08:59] <mishoch> I'll create a new AWS instance and run the apt-get with the right version
[08:59] <Flannel> erm, ok.
[08:59] <mishoch> thanks for the help guys
[09:00] <ioannes> ¿A qué hora publican la ISO de Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[09:00] <Flannel> If this is throwaway, then yeah, just make sure you're fully updated and you're good.
[09:00] <Flannel> mishoch: for 12.04, the version for libssl1.0.0 is 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.12 or above
[09:00] <cfhowlett> !es|ioannes
[09:00] <Quitifolen> hi
[09:00] <mar77i> hello?
[09:00] <ioannes> I'm new here.
[09:02] <ioannes> I don't know much english.
[09:02] <cfhowlett> ioannes use the spanish language channel
[09:02] <k1l_> !es | ioannes
[09:02] <mar77i> also, dpkg-reconfigure -a seems to be stuck in an endless loop
[09:03] <Flannel> ioannes: This channel is English only, however,: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.
[09:03] <ioannes> Ok.
[09:03] <ioannes> Thank for the help me!
[09:06] <jellow> Hi there I'm having random freezes in firefox which results in my window looking like this http://imgur.com/fVZQW2B , What is causing it?
[09:07] <conguero> asd
[09:08] <cdalgicdir1> 123
[09:08] <jonatan> when out?
[09:08] <cfhowlett> jonatan on the 17th
[09:08] <k1l_> !party | jonatan
[09:08] <DJones> jonatan:  Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[09:09]  * cdalgicdir1 
[09:09] <jonatan> tank you
[09:09]  * kunefge 
[09:09] <locktonsteel> bit harsh
[09:14] <jimmy_birer> Hello everyone!
[09:16] <jimmy_birer> I moved from linux-image-3.11.0-19-generic to 3.11.0.19-lowlatency because my fan wasn't working on the former ( Acer Aspire 5135). But now, whatever I do, (add new mode via xrandr, restart X, boot with modeset on or off, acpi on off) nothing helped. My screen should be 1280x800 (it was at installation) and now it's 1024x768, which is not the optimal.Question is, what can I do to get this fixed? Thank you in advance.
[09:16] <Pulsar_> Greetings to all! Does anyone know when the release is going to happen for the 14.04? Thanks!
[09:16] <DJones> Pulsar_: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[09:17] <Pulsar_> OK thanks!
[09:17] <jimmy_birer> Well, as long as it gets released this month
[09:22] <bolD> hey! how soon we get ubuntu 14.04?
[09:22] <DJones> bolD: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[09:22] <bolD> ok, thnx
[09:23] <jimmy_birer> Ok, I solved that problem
[09:24] <jimmy_birer> Now, my fan doesn't work unless I set "nomodeset"
[09:24] <jimmy_birer> What should I do about it?
[09:30] <djlanz24> hi guys
[09:30] <bolD> hi
[09:30] <djlanz24> @ what time trusty will be realease does anybody knew?
[09:30] <bmxscott1993> hello
[09:30] <DJones> djlanz24: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[09:31] <bolD> :)
[09:31] <bolD> djlanz24: I asked the same 10 minutes ago.. Looks like this is the most popular question today :)
[09:31] <djlanz24> alright got it tnx mate
[09:36] <whoalina> is there any way to get working intel GMA 3650 in ubuntu 13.10?
[09:36] <whoalina> I am stucked for few days now
[09:36] <whoalina> nothing seems to work at all
[09:37] <whoalina> by default ubuntu installed gma 500 driver, but thats sucks so much, is laggish as hell
[09:38] <whoalina> even on Windows 7 driver is not working properly, lags lags lags, my god
[09:39] <mote> Hi guys. At what time does 14.04 get released??
[09:39] <DJones> mote: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[09:40] <Guest91837> good morning
[09:40] <mote> DJones: Thanks!
[09:41] <soheilsh> @DJones: thanks, that was my question too! :)
[09:41] <whoalina> help someone please
[09:41] <cfhowlett> !help|whoalina
[09:43] <albus_dumbledore> @seen emmanix2002
[09:45] <Pricey> albus_dumbledore: /msg nickserv info emmanix2002
[09:46] <emmanix2002> albus_dumbledore: didn't know you were here
[09:47] <Snicholls> is there a set time the that the Ubuntu Images are released? still waiting on 14.04 as i am sure the world is.
[09:47] <cfhowlett> !party|Snicholls when it's done
[09:48] <albus_dumbledore> emmanix2002: :D
[09:48] <shiznix> whoalina: have you tried changing the acceleration method ?
[09:48] <albus_dumbledore> !Trusty
[09:49] <emmanix2002> albus_dumbledore: ;-)
[09:49] <Snicholls> haha great wasn't sure if they always had a timescale on release date waiting patiently !Trusty
[09:49] <shiznix> whoalina: intel gfx driver in ubuntu defaults to 'sna' now iirc, but older intel gfx gpus will require selection of 'uxa'
[09:51] <albus_dumbledore> I feel it will be released within the next 30 min
[09:52] <cfhowlett> albus_dumbledore a disturbance in the force notwithstanding, it's on schedule to be relased 04/17/14
[09:52] <albus_dumbledore> cfhowlett: u a dev?
[09:52] <cfhowlett> albus_dumbledore nope
[09:53] <albus_dumbledore> cfhowlett: ok
[09:54] <brentjuh> cant wait for ubuntu 14.04!!!
[09:54] <shiznix> whoalina: errr... but i now just read that "Note: PowerVR-based graphics (GMA 500 and GMA 3600 series) are not supported by open source drivers"
[09:55] <shiznix> so you might be outta luck there :(
[09:55] <Thumper6501> https://licensing.psu.ac.th/ubuntu-14-04-lts/  <--- seems legit *laughs*
[09:55] <brentjuh> hi
[09:55] <BotherSome1> Am trying to get install JBoss in my ubuntu server but unable to the right version of Java
[09:56] <BotherSome1>  can any one let me know openJDK or Oracle JDK
[09:56] <salsero> brentjuh: wait a couple of weeks for some bugs to get squashed
[09:56] <Guest91837> oracleJDC
[09:56] <salsero> BotherSome1:  http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/install-oracle-java-8-in-ubuntu-via-ppa.html
[09:56] <Guest91837> JDK*
[09:57] <BotherSome1> thanks Guest91837
[09:57] <BotherSome1> let me have a try to get installed with that JDK
[10:00] <ik_> what time will ubuntu 14.04 released??
[10:00] <cfhowlett> !party|ik_ when it's done
[10:03] <mk10> hey dudessssss
[10:03] <klaver> http://lubuntu.net/ already seems to have it?
[10:03] <mk10> anyone here today...
[10:03] <mk10> hey klaver how are you today..
[10:04] <mk10> can i get some help just built myself a nas box  ..i was to run a nas server for media streaming web server etc what can i use an alternative to windows home server
[10:04] <mk10> can i do it with ubuntu
[10:12] <cybercool> Waiting for Ubuntu 14.04! At which time it will be available?
[10:12] <NK_> same question here
[10:12] <NK_> will it be delayed ?
[10:12] <DJones> Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[10:12] <brentjuh> nobody knows :S
[10:13] <karthik> hi
[10:13] <brentjuh> hey
[10:13] <mk10> hello
[10:13] <mk10> is ubuntu ok to run a server
[10:13] <brentjuh> somebody dutch here?
[10:13] <karthik> i need some help in ubuntu 10.04
[10:14] <sudipto> hi when will 14.04 be released?????????
[10:14] <DJones> sudipto: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[10:15] <n4uah> u should add a countdown for it.
[10:15] <ronin> how do I get in "insert mode" with :command
[10:15] <ronin> in vim
[10:15] <ronin> my insert-button doesn't work
[10:16] <cybercool> DJones: Thanks!! Tick-Tock Tick-Tock Heart beat going up and up!! ;)
[10:17] <karthik> when i open some applications in ubuntu. after i go home and take remote to my ubuntu machine but whatever i opened application will be closed. Again i have to open all applications.
[10:17] <karthik> What is the reason?
[10:18] <napcode> ronin: hitting escape a couple of times should bring you back into normal mode. from there i & o should bring you into insert mode
[10:20] <karthik> which is the best way to work remotely from windows to ubuntu..?
[10:20] <ikonia> karthik: depends what you need
[10:21] <karthik> i was using NX client to connect to my ubuntu but it is having some problem
[10:21] <cfhowlett> !server|mk10
[10:22] <ikonia> karthik: that can work fine, making sure your version of client/server match
[10:22] <mdunc> mk10: yes, you sure can.  apache can take care of your web server needs and samba can share your files over the network.
[10:23] <karthik> ok some times if i work directly in ubuntu after i go home i can remote through NX but whatever i open applications that all will go off. Again i have to open all applications or anything
[10:24] <cybercool> mk10: Wait for a few moments (few minutes or hours) until 14.04 will be available.
[10:24] <mk10> why is that cybercool ??
[10:24] <tarelerulz> Why wait for Ubuntu 14.04?
[10:24] <pippoxxx> ciao a tutti belli e brutti
[10:25] <cfhowlett> !it|pippoxxx
[10:25] <cm13g09> I didn't know ubottu was multi-lingual :)
[10:25] <Discordian_> of course it is
[10:25] <Discordian_> it's community based
[10:25] <mk10> cybercool, why wait for ubuntui 14.04?
[10:25] <cybercool> It's another LTS version and will have support for next 5 years from now.
[10:25] <Discordian_> I personally can't wait for 14.04
[10:25] <cm13g09> I should probably have expected it
[10:26] <karthik> ok some times if i work directly in ubuntu after i go home i can remote through NX but whatever i open applications that all will go off. Again i have to open all applications or anything. Is there any way to get my things back
[10:26] <mk10> can i stream my media over network with it
[10:26] <pippoxxx> join ubuntu-it
[10:26] <tarelerulz> Have any of you run Ubuntu touch ?
[10:26] <cfhowlett> !touch|tarelerulz
[10:26] <Discordian_> I'm waiting for devices that come pre-installed with ubuntu touch
[10:26] <Discordian_> it'll take a while probably
[10:28] <bmxscott1993> do any one now what time is it going to be Releases in London because im wail to download the os and burn it to a dvd
[10:28] <tarelerulz> it would be nice to see Ubuntu official product in action . I don't see how they can stack up against , Android , ISO and Windows mobile os  .
[10:28] <mk10> if ubuntu 14.04 can do my nas box need ill wait for it
[10:28] <cfhowlett> !party|bmxscott1993 when it's done
[10:28] <mk10> when does it come out...
[10:28] <mdunc> mk10: what are you trying to stream to?
[10:28] <cfhowlett> mk10 April 17th, 2014
[10:28] <mk10> like home network...got 5 computer
[10:29] <mk10> and stream over tv..from nas box just pick and watch
[10:29] <mk10> yeah what time lol
[10:30] <tarelerulz> mk10: You every think about just have a media pc hooked to the tv at all times.
[10:30] <mk10> nope dont want to that
[10:30] <ThE_AsKeR> hello
[10:31] <tarelerulz> mk10: What is it you do want?
[10:31] <ThE_AsKeR> I'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 in a mac g5 with the alternative installation cd
[10:31] <Bernard685> !countdown
[10:31] <ThE_AsKeR> could anybody help me choosing an option?
[10:31] <cfhowlett> !mac|ThE_AsKeR   not sure about g5 capability
[10:33] <mk10> anyone know what time ubuntu come ouit
[10:33] <cfhowlett> mk10 you've asked several times.  read the answer this time.  WHEN IT'S READY = no set time but date = April 17th, 2014
[10:33] <Discordian_> so the next ubuntu release will be in 30 minutes?
[10:33] <cm13g09> mk10: It will be released when it is ready.  It clearly isn't quite ready yet (probably a couple of things to fix).
[10:34] <mk10> is this going to take over windows eventually|
[10:34] <cm13g09> Discordian_: not necessarily.  There's till 12 1/2 hours left of Thursday 17th in the UK
[10:34] <julien1> 30 minutes :p
[10:35] <cfhowlett> I'm pretty sure April 17th will last for 24 hours ...
[10:35] <william_> tes
[10:35] <william_> testing 1, 2, 3
[10:35] <cfhowlett> william_ we see you
[10:35] <william_> hahaha
[10:36] <john1999> !isitoutyet
[10:37] <MonkeyDust> !isitout
[10:37] <william_> waiting for Ubuntu 14.04
[10:37] <Discordian_> http://i.imgur.com/nrwb8Jc.jpg
[10:37] <cfhowlett> !party|william_
[10:37] <william_> i can't waiting :v
[10:44] <leontheman> yo, tried to install win 7 from flash usb, onto ubuntu 12.04 (which is the main os),   and i get this error saying "windows was unable to create the required destination folder" , anyone know the cause?
[10:46] <leontheman> ahh no worries
[10:46] <leontheman> no windows/ubuntu pros?
[10:47] <ikonia> "pros" ?
[10:47] <dampe> how long until release? :3
[10:47] <leontheman> i mean people who are good at both
[10:47] <ikonia> install windows "onto" ubuntu ?
[10:47] <cfhowlett> "windows"?
[10:47] <ikonia> leontheman: you can't install windows onto ubuntu
[10:47] <DJones> dampe: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[10:47] <leontheman> i mean install it over
[10:47] <cfhowlett> !isitoutyet|dampe
[10:47] <leontheman> instead of ubuntu
[10:47] <ikonia> leontheman: ok, so you'll need to format the disk
[10:48] <leontheman> i did
[10:48] <leontheman> formatted my second hdd to ntfs
[10:48] <ikonia> leontheman: ok, so then the problem is nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:48] <ikonia> leontheman: the problem is the windows installer
[10:48] <leontheman> ahh a hardware problem?
[10:48] <ikonia> no
[10:48] <ikonia> doubtful
[10:48] <ikonia> but ##windows is the right place as now ubuntu no longer exists on your machine
[10:48] <ikonia> so it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:48] <leontheman> this machine is ubuntu
[10:48] <leontheman> i got an ssd and a hdd
[10:49] <ikonia> (as in stopping you install)
[10:49] <ikonia> leontheman: you just said you formatted it to install over ubuntu
[10:49] <tirengarfio> I have a command that I "installed" some time ago, when I run it, it is run correctly, but my problem is that I don't know where it is I expected to find it in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin but no...I have run "which my_command" and "whereis my_command" but I don't get any result
[10:49] <ikonia> thefore ubuntu is gone
[10:49] <ikonia> so ubuntu is not a problem for your install
[10:49] <leontheman> this hdd has ubuntu
[10:49] <leontheman> the second hdd is formatted
[10:49] <ikonia> leontheman: is it possible you could clearly commuinicate what youa re trying to do
[10:49] <n4uah> >_<
[10:49] <ikonia> leontheman: you said you where trying to format it over the top of ubuntu, now you say you still have ubuntu
[10:50] <n4uah> i cant wait..
[10:50] <Siebjee> does anyone has experience with an matrox m9648 PXI-E grafix card on any ubuntu version ?
[10:50] <leontheman> no
[10:50] <leontheman> i have ione ubuntu ssd
[10:50] <leontheman> and one formatted hd
[10:50] <leontheman> im only using this one to do this, know what i mean
[10:50] <ikonia> leontheman: right so you are not trying to install over ubuntu
[10:50] <cfhowlett> leontheman so you want windows on the hdd?
[10:50] <ikonia> leontheman: you are trying to do a windows install to the second hard disk
[10:50] <leontheman> well now i know it cant be done im not
[10:51] <ikonia> leontheman: so again if the windows installer cannot write to the second hard disk, that is a windows problem/windows installer problem
[10:51] <ikonia> the guys in ##windows can help you with that
[10:51] <leontheman> one sec, i know im beng very vague, give me  SEC
[10:51] <leontheman> KK thankyou very much
[10:51] <Mikerhinos> leontheman: windows will erase your boot partition because he's a b*tch, prepare to reinstall grub if you want to keep ubuntu
[10:52] <ikonia> Mikerhinos: no it won't and there is no need to call it names
[10:52] <ikonia> Mikerhinos: it will overwrite the mbr only
[10:52] <ikonia> it won't touch the boot partition
[10:52] <cm13g09> ikonia speaks the truth :)  That said, I usually install Windows on one disk first, then Ubuntu afterwards as it is infinitely easier!
[10:53] <canterw00t> ^ truth.
[10:53] <mjayk> cm13g09: agree
[10:53] <ikonia> it is the recommended order
[10:53] <Bernard682> !countdown
[10:53] <cfhowlett> ^^^ word
[10:53] <m0e42> yep
[10:53] <william_> Ubuntu 14.04 hell yeah :v
[10:53] <rohde71> just remove the ubuntu disk when you install windows and reinstall it after install is done
[10:54] <rohde71> that is reinstall the disk, not windows...
[10:54] <cm13g09> it is possible to install Ubuntu, then Windows, but you have to unplug/replug drives and the moment you want a split disk (i.e. Windows in 1 partition, Ubuntu in another) and install Ubuntu first, you are going to have a little more fun.
[10:54] <ikonia> you don't have to unplug any disks
[10:55] <ikonia> you only need to re-apply grub to the mbr
[10:55] <ikonia> that's it, nothing magic
[10:55] <cm13g09> true, it's nothing magic
[10:55] <mjayk> you dont, you just need to re upodate grub
[10:55] <ikonia> you need to re-install grub to the mbr
[10:55] <ikonia> update grub just updates the config files
[10:56] <ikonia> which is pointless if grub is not on the mbr
[10:56] <cm13g09> I appreciate what I said was technically wrong - however if you expect Ubuntu to boot after installing Windows, and you haven't done any disk plugging, you may be out of luck - as Windows has its own opinions on how to do booting.  That said, it's nothing that grub-install and/or update-grub can't fix.
[10:57] <ikonia> update-grub will NOT fix it
[10:58] <cm13g09> ok, yes, ikonia, sorry, update-grub on its own...  won't fix - apologies...
[10:59] <Anonymous2137> grub-install /dev/sdx --no-floppy
[10:59] <KeithWeisshar> when is ubuntu 14.04 lts releasing?
[11:00] <KeithWeisshar> what time does ubuntu 14.04 release
[11:00] <Ben64> within 24 hours, probably
[11:00] <DJones> KeithWeisshar: Ubuntu 14.04 will be released when it's ready, which is planned to be sometime on the 17th.  There isn't a set time and we don't have any indication of when it will be released.  You are welcome to join us in #ubuntu-release-party if you'd like to discuss the release while you wait.
[11:02] <mkander_> I have created a custom login script but getty says it is respawning too fast
[11:03] <mkander_> Anyone know how to debug? If I just start the script from command line it works
[11:04] <bmxscott1993> i wonder if they have sorted out the amd crystal control center out on the new 14.04 lts
[11:09] <bmxscott1993> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=14.04.4&architecture=amd64
[11:13] <Discordian_> Will 14.04 work with my AMD A10 APU?
[11:13] <Discordian_> And will I be able to use the proprietary drivers?
[11:15] <mar77i> heh
[11:15] <mar77i> wtf, I'm not getting past early userspace, it seems.
[11:16] <mar77i> I fixed and double-checked UUIDs both in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/grub.cfg. any other ideas?
[11:16] <mjayk> Discordian_: Should work and there should be prop drivers for it http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_a10kaveri_linwin&num=1 < here is a review of that on ubuntu 14.04
[11:16] <pinnen> time to celebrate today? Release of 14.04 today right?
[11:16] <cfhowlett> !party|pinnen
[11:17] <pinnen> cfhowlett: ohh haha, nice! thanks m8
[11:17] <mar77i> (this is an ext4 partition that has been moved from one system to another...)
[11:19] <cmcooper123> has anyone made a count down timer for 14.04?
[11:19] <Discordian_> thank you so much mjayk
[11:22] <wickedheadache> how  do i repair the boot process even for windows ?
[11:22] <mjayk> Discordian_: no worries
[11:22] <mjayk> wickedheadache: what do you mean repair, what is the problem ?
[11:23] <wickedheadache> my pc crashed, and won't boot, windows...another partition loads but still crashes...i remember there is some check disk utility in ubuntu that might help
[11:24] <wickedheadache> Ijust don't remember the command or file
[11:24] <cfhowlett> wickedheadache windows support is in ##windows
[11:25] <wickedheadache> i'm not looking for windows specific help
[11:25] <mjayk> wickedheadache: so you can boot into ubuntu but when you select windows from the grub menu it crashes?
[11:25] <wickedheadache> i guess the question is how do i repair my disk in ubuntu
[11:26] <wickedheadache> i'm in ubuntu live cd now
[11:27] <Miron> w
[11:27] <Miron> er
[11:27] <bigred15> Does anyone know if it's possible to utilise MPD with PS3MediaServer?
[11:27] <Miron> I switched tabs in the middle of typing a message
[11:27] <mjayk> wickedheadache: you can try that http://askubuntu.com/questions/59064/how-to-run-a-checkdisk but it depends on what your problem is more specifically
[11:28] <Conna> ekekek :v
[11:30] <dupingping> hey
[11:30] <dupingping> everybody
[11:30] <mjayk> haya
[11:31] <mk10> is it out yet
[11:31] <dupingping> There is no function to "Reconnect when connection dropped" in grdesktop
[11:31] <dupingping> How to do it?
[11:31] <aligator> hi
[11:31] <mk10> is ubuntu taking over windows in future
[11:31] <cfhowlett> !ot|mk10
[11:32] <mk10> mjayk, is ubuntu taking over windows..
[11:33] <debabrata> i don't think ubuntu can take over windoes... atleast not in five years..
[11:33] <cfhowlett> mk10 please take this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic.  this is the support channel, not chitcaht
[11:33] <hexafraction> Hi, how can I force all traffic to a given IP address be sent to loopback instead?
[11:34] <aligator> this may seem like a wierd question to ask here but, how can you tell  if your wireless card is capable of raw packet injection/
[11:34] <aligator> does anyone know?
[11:34] <hexafraction> aligator: Which card? Or do you need to script it for an arbitrary card?
[11:34] <tubatuba> Could you please give me a link to instructions I can follow to install Ubuntu on Toshiba Chromebook CB30-102 ?
[11:34] <mk10> comon guys iam impatient just want to know when 10.04 is due
[11:34] <hexafraction> 10.04 has been due for nearly 4 years now.
[11:34] <cfhowlett> mk10 10.04 was released in 2010
[11:35] <hexafraction> And it has been released nearly 4 years ago
[11:35] <aligator> hexafraction: the card is ipw2200bg
[11:35] <hexafraction> Never seen it.
[11:35] <mk10> no not that the new one..
[11:35] <cfhowlett> !party|mk10 chat about the release in the other channel - NOT in the support channel please.  thank you.
[11:35] <hexafraction> Do you have injection tools installed already?
[11:36] <cybercool> What does "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine." means? I am seeing this message since a long time. Will any of the next version will fit on a CD?
[11:36] <dupingping> There is no function to "Reconnect when connection dropped" in grdesktop
[11:36] <aligator> i am using kali so i guess so right?
[11:36] <dupingping> How to do it?
[11:36] <cfhowlett> !kali|aligator
[11:36] <aligator> okay sorry thanks for the help, i will ask somewhere else
[11:38] <tubatuba> Seems like it is not possible to install Ubuntu on Toshiba Chromebook CB30-102 ....
[11:38] <debabrata> i have a cdma broadband dongle. it connects sometimes but not everytime. what should i do?
[11:39] <drdozer> hi - I'm trying to use davfs2 to mount my home NAS webdav pictures folder
[11:39] <drdozer> I can browse the webdav with chromium
[11:39] <drdozer> but davfs2 asks me for a username and password when I try to mount it
[11:40] <drdozer> the web browser doesn't ask, and wget is able to fetch the resource without logging in
[11:40] <Daghdha> Hi, i made the setting 'update interval' for resources in the program  'system monitor' 10 seconds. But the graph still shifts left every second
[11:40] <Daghdha> Is that a bug?
[11:40] <dupingping> There is no function to "Reconnect when connection dropped" in grdesktop
[11:40] <dupingping> How to do it?
[11:41] <Lionthinker> hi guys, what time is Trusty released?
[11:41] <cfhowlett> !party| Lionthinker
[11:42] <Lionthinker> ubottu, apologies
[11:42] <BotherSome1> How do i get install, oracle installer package
[11:42] <debabrata> it just says connection failed. it generally happens 70% of times. is there any command line alternative..
[11:44] <dupingping> !ping
[11:44] <BotherSome1> root@jboss:~# update-java-alternatives -s java-7-oracle
[11:44] <BotherSome1> update-java-alternatives: directory does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle
[11:44] <BotherSome1> root@jboss:~# apt-get install oracle intaller package
[11:45] <dupingping> !ops
[11:45] <mk10> omy what version of ubuntu is it
[11:45] <IdleOne> dupingping: yes?
[11:45] <BotherSome1> how to i get the oracle pakage installed in ubuntu
[11:45] <dupingping> There is no function to "Reconnect when connection dropped" in grdesktop
[11:46] <dupingping> How to do it?
[11:46] <elky> dupingping: you're well aware that this is not what the ops call is for
[11:46] <cfhowlett> !patience|dupingping and please don't abuse the ops
[11:46] <DJones> dupingping: Please don't call ops because you're not getting a reply, you have to be patient and give more details
[11:46] <debabrata> it's 12.04
[11:46] <IdleOne> dupingping: you called ops to ask a support question?
[11:46] <dupingping> !language
[11:46] <elky> cfhowlett: there's 2 of us here, we got this :)
[11:46] <dupingping> !langauge
[11:47] <cfhowlett> :)
[11:48] <llkluba> Is ubutu 14.04 releas ?
[11:48] <cfhowlett> !party|llkluba
[11:49] <llkluba> Is ubuntu 14.04 releas ?
[11:49] <cfhowlett> llkluba no.  read the above -
[11:50] <dupingping> Hi
[11:50] <ojdo> llkluba: what's so difficult to check http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/ ?
[11:50] <tubatuba> Can somebody please tell me if Ubuntu is compatibile with Toshiba Chromebook CB30-102 ? HELP PLEASE
[11:51] <tubatuba> I mean if Ubuntu can be installed on it or not
[11:51] <cfhowlett> tubatuba better to ask in chromebook support
[11:51] <tubatuba> Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Lubuntu any one of these
[11:51] <tubatuba> but I want Ubuntu! not chrome!
[11:51] <tubatuba> :)
[11:52] <Exagone313> should I wait some days to do update to the new LTS version ?
[11:52] <cfhowlett> tubatuba if you look, you'll find various threads on chrome about ubuntu
[11:52] <tubatuba> they will not tell me how to remove their system I think
[11:52] <Ben64> tubatuba: then make a liveusb and try it out
[11:52] <tubatuba> but do you think it's ok to do it with Toshiba Chromebook CB30-102 ?
[11:53] <tubatuba> is it doable?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> tubatuba have you even tried?
[11:53] <Ben64> we don't know specific models. try it using a live usb
[11:53] <ahhmarr_> hey any news when trusty will be up on the website
[11:53] <Ben64> ahhmarr_: within 24 hours probably
[11:53] <jeanaustinr> Exagone313, depends on you if you want to adopt early or late. I usually wait about a few days before upgrading. Best thing to do before upgrading whether early or late is to backup all your data just to make sure.
[11:53] <cfhowlett> !party|ahhmarr_ "when it's ready"
[11:53] <ahhmarr_> thanks guys
[11:55] <tubatuba> not tried. Before trying I would like to know if it's possible. If somebody did it before. Or if an expert can tell it just by looking at specifications or dont know what
[11:55] <Lartza> umm my mouse just stopped working
[11:55] <Lartza> usb
[11:55] <jellow> tubatuba, I would ask in chrubuntu for ubuntu on chromebooks
[11:55] <Lartza> ALL mouses I have a wireless media keyboard on my front usb
[11:55] <BotherSome1> any one can help in best site where i can try Jboss installation for my ubuntu server
[11:55] <cfhowlett> tubatuba make usb.  boot.  test.  easy.
[11:56] <Lartza> could be that usb devices stopped working actually...
[11:56] <wickedheadache> mjayk:  hmm well it seems the disk has bad sectors or something...i guess i need to repair this
[11:56] <BotherSome1> any one can help in best site where i can try Jboss installation for my ubuntu server
[11:56] <Exagone313> are they all languages in the new LTS version ?
[11:56] <cfhowlett> Lartza batteries?
[11:56] <cfhowlett> Exagone313 yes
[11:56] <Lartza> cfhowlett, no but my mx518 wont move either
[11:56] <cfhowlett> Lartza no idea with mx518 is but okay.
[11:57] <Lartza> cfhowlett, usb mouse
[11:57] <Daghdha> huuh 14.04? I am still on 12.04 :( I missed one
[11:57] <cfhowlett> Lartza logout/login
[11:57] <Lartza> usb stick was detected when I plugged it in
[11:57] <cfhowlett> Daghdha not if you install lts only ... 10.04 > 12.04 > 14.04
[11:57] <Lartza> cfhowlett, with keyboard only how :) thanks
[11:57] <Daghdha> oh cool, yes i am LTS only
[11:58] <cfhowlett> Daghdha likewise.  fewer headaches.
[11:58] <tubatuba> ok I will try. Thank you.
[11:58] <Daghdha> cfhowlett: So i never had 11.04 installe dthen? Wasn't that a requirement for 12.04?
[11:58] <cfhowlett> tubatuba bewst of luck
[11:58] <Lartza> how do I logout with keyboard only :/
[11:58] <wickedheadache> the disk utility crashes while repairing one of the partitions
[11:58] <cfhowlett> Daghdha no.  if you've set LTS only, then LTS to LTS works fine
[11:58] <Daghdha> sweet
[11:58] <cfhowlett> Daghdha indeed.
[12:01] <tomslominski> Hi. My duplicity backup is stuck. It's been trying to backup a 41GB file but it's not been making any progress.
[12:02] <brentjuh> is is out?
[12:02] <Lartza> logged out and in, mouse still not working
[12:02] <David_8503> brentjuh
[12:02] <BiorB> hi
[12:02] <cfhowlett> !party|brentjuh no
[12:02] <David_8503> no, it's not
[12:03] <satyamz> what time it is coming for download?
[12:04] <cfhowlett> !party|satyamz "when it's ready"
[12:04] <tomslominski> It's an encrypted backup to an external hard drive. Every time I restart the backup it's stuck at volume 1382, block 60913.
[12:05] <cfhowlett> tomslominski no expert here, but wouldn't a bad block cause that exact failure mode
[12:05] <tomslominski> cfhowlett: Failure? It's not exactly failing. I just stop it after a while cause it's not doing anything. I'll check the disk.
[12:07] <tomslominski> Interestingly, it seems to be doing something because it's using 80-90% of my CPU. But no new files have appeared for days.
[12:13] <debabrata> hi
[12:16] <bigred15> Anyone using uxrvt know how to change bindings on mouse clicks? at the moment, paste is the middle button; however I'd much prefer it be the right mouse click. Any ideas?
[12:17] <Common> fuck Mark, common. We're all waiting to your os
[12:17] <cfhowlett> Common clean up the language - you know the channel rules
[12:17] <average_guy> release day woot!
[12:21] <Guest66477> hallo
[12:22] <jjauhien> !party
[12:22] <Guest66477> #twitter
[12:24] <emmanix2002> exit
[12:27] <Common> will it be released at 23,59?
[12:28] <vinod> ubuntu 14.04 trusty tahr release time
[12:28] <cfhowlett> !party|Common vinod
[12:28] <MonkeyDust> Common  depends on your timezone
[12:28] <vinod> india
[12:29] <cfhowlett> vinod next 24 hours then ...
[12:29] <vinod> ok thank u,i am waiting
[12:29] <JoeyJoeJo> Is it possible to ssh into a computer that is running off of the ubuntu 12.04 server installation disc so I can complete the installation remotely?
[12:31] <satyamz> vinod : http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140417T1404&p0=136&msg=Ubuntu+14.04+LTS
[12:31] <Hohlraum> JoeyJoeJo: You need a specific iso (alternate) to do that I believe.
[12:33] <vinod> its 4hrs for me.
[12:34] <Discordian_> so many impatient people waiting for 14.04
[12:35] <Discordian_> I am one of them
[12:35] <Romantikpepe> hi
[12:35] <Daghdha> it's 17-04 now. In My COuntry anyway.
[12:35] <Discordian_> :p
[12:35] <Hohlraum> Discordian_: because 13.10 is broke as s**t with nvidia+official chrome lol.
[12:35] <Whereis1404> 1:30 on the isle of man anyone know when canonical is going to put 14.04 final rel up?
[12:35] <Discordian_> I just want the changes they made in Unity
[12:35] <debabrata> after how many days should i download ubuntu 14.04?
[12:36] <BLUEDICE> HI
[12:36] <cfhowlett> debabrata exactly 1.57 .. ?
[12:36] <Discordian_> and the LTS support of course
[12:36] <satyamz> i guess after 24 hrs
[12:37] <BLUEDICE> WERE CAN I GET MY UBUNTU 14.04 FINAL REALEASE
[12:37] <Phixit> CAPS LOCK
[12:37] <cfhowlett> !party|BLUEDICE www.ubuntu.com = when it's ready
[12:37] <Naughx> Still not available
[12:38] <cfhowlett> !party|Naughx
[12:38] <shsh> vindieu crenondediou !! 14.04 for mankind
[12:38] <shsh> rock
[12:38] <Whereis1404> They got 10 hours and 21 minutes left on the Isle of man before midnight
[12:38] <debabrata> isn't it too early?? i was thinking... must wait for a week or two..
[12:38] <cfhowlett> debabrata why?
[12:39] <debabrata> somebody had advised me to...
[12:39] <cfhowlett> debabrata "someone" give you a good technical reason???
[12:40] <BLUEDICE> hey someone
[12:40] <Whereis1404> They should have had it up early before April 8 when Xp expired
[12:40] <debabrata> they were talking about some early bug fixes and patches... which only comes after some days..
[12:41] <cfhowlett> debabrata it's not like your current OS will suddenly die.  If you're super-worried, wait  6 months for the first point release: 14.04.1
[12:42] <debabrata> okay, thanks..
[12:43] <BLUEDICE> thanks
[12:43] <daberill> part
[12:43] <Whereis1404> They shouldn't announce a date and not stick to it seems amatuerish and bush league
[12:44] <cfhowlett> Whereis1404 it's April 17th until midnight.  your complaint is invalde.
[12:44] <cfhowlett> invalid
[12:44] <Whereis1404> My complaint was in response to debrata saying they were going to wait
[12:44] <Whereis1404> ...a few days
[12:45] <cfhowlett> Whereis1404 got it.
[12:46] <Daghdha> Not making deadlines is sort of mandatory in IT. I will wait at least a month anyway, Early adapters can tip-toe trough the 14.04 update minefield. I shal reap the benefits of their misfortunesa month later
[12:46] <cfhowlett> Daghdha machevellian but good system-admin policy
[12:47] <debabrata> WHereis1404, my responce was not related to win xp..
[12:47] <Whereis1404> I've got a new hdd burning a hole in my pocket. :)  I'd rather have it out today warts and all..I'm ok with waiting for patches
[12:48] <Whereis1404> neither was mine to yours bro
[12:48] <Daghdha> Ok, thanks for help guys. System Monitor is now doing what i wanted :P Cheers!
[12:48] <Rory> It was only ever announced as "expected release date" on the canonical (ahem) roadmap.
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Rory true, true ...
[12:51] <www2> Can any one tell me what is ETA of 14.04?
[12:51] <Rory> Every other release has usually been late afternoon GMT
[12:51] <cfhowlett> www2 april 17th, 2014
[12:51] <Xano> I configured Ubuntu 13.10 to not respond to touchpad movements while typing, but this setting is not honoured and my palms keep causing button presses while typing. Is this a known problem and is there a solution?
[12:51] <cfhowlett> !party| www2
[12:53] <bmxscott1993> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2789-trusty-release-party/
[12:53] <IdleOne> !party | bmxscott1993
[12:56] <dupingping> hey everybody
[13:01] <Whereis1404> Will this end up being it? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:02] <McAndze> Just crashed my Manjaro setup, perfect time to try Ubuntu again. Do we know anything except later today?
[13:03] <Whereis1404> I wonder why x64 iso is smaller than x86 seems backwards to me
[13:05] <john1999> !isitoutyet
[13:06] <winael> !isitoutyet
[13:06] <Johnny_Linux> canceled
[13:06] <blaaa> ubottu: what time zone?
[13:07] <cfhowlett> blaaa April 17th, 2014, earth
[13:07] <blaaa> ubottu: It's a simple question
[13:07] <Whereis1404> it's 2:08 pm on isle of man
[13:07] <blaaa> ubottu: too bad
[13:07] <xutl> why is 14.04 tahr not out until yet ? 17th is gonna pass in few hours
[13:08] <srikanth> At what time?
[13:08] <blind> the 17th continues for me for another 15 hours :)
[13:08] <cfhowlett> srikanth before midnight april 17th, earth time zone
[13:08] <Whereis1404> some people said it will be out late afternoon.
[13:08] <islandmonkey> 10 hrs till tomorrow (BST), where is 14.04
[13:09] <xutl> cfhowlett: whats ubuntu time zone ?
[13:09] <mjayk> GMT
[13:09] <mjayk> the world time zomne
[13:09] <Whereis1404> 2:10pm there now
[13:09] <cfhowlett> xutl earth, solar system, milky way galaxy
[13:09] <mjayk> your either with the english or your with the terrorists
[13:09] <xutl> cfhowlett: neagtive, all these contain multiple time zones
[13:10] <xutl> be more specific :}
[13:10] <cfhowlett> xutl ubuntu wiki doesn't reference a time zone
[13:10] <Whereis1404> They should have timed the release 14:04 gmt (24hour clock)
[13:10] <srikanth> 17th is going to end in few hours....
[13:11] <blaaa> so they sneakily expanded their window by 25 hours?
[13:11] <xutl> cfhowlett: I assume, its canonical headquarters time zone, so where is canonical's headquarter and whats its timezone ?
[13:11] <cfhowlett> xutl "assume" ...
[13:12] <islandmonkey> xutl: London, so BST
[13:12] <cfhowlett> xutl isle of man if the legal HQ, actual bricks and mortar is in London, so ...
[13:15] <nilson_> countdown for ubuntu 14.04 official release
[13:15] <cfhowlett> !party|nilson
[13:15] <xenny> When will the update be available?
[13:15] <mjayk> google
[13:15] <Naughx> !party
[13:15] <lpupp> Hey, is bumblebee just for laptops? What about desktops with intel core + hd 4600 and a nvidia card? I asked at #bumblebee but no answer yet
[13:18] <aysorth> lpupp: bumblebee is for nvidia optimus
[13:18] <tarelerulz> How do check deluge is using blocklist?  I told it  downloaded them . How do you tell if they are in use?
[13:19] <xutl> isle of man - which one ?? ----> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/upload/uploaded.php?id=7849c69
[13:20] <xutl> cfhowlett: ^^^
[13:20] <cfhowlett> xutl you'd have to ask canonical legal department ...
[13:20] <xutl> lol
[13:20] <leo__> in another 40 minutes it will be April 18th here in Australia and still no sign of Ubuntu 14.04
[13:21] <lpupp> aysorth: ok So just laptops?
[13:21] <xutl> cfhowlett: thats a very supportive answer at this moment of time, :D thnx
[13:21] <xutl> waiting and waiting and waiting @#$%
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> xutl: why is it so crucial? If you have the beta installed, you will upgrade seamlessly to the release candidate with zero effort....
[13:22] <aysorth> lpupp: yes
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> xutl: or you can install the beta now and do the same thing....
[13:23] <lpupp> aysorth: thank you
[13:23] <Whereis1404> Install daily build maybe less updating http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:23] <xutl> ActionParsnip: sorry, but I don't have the beta or RC installed, btw if I install beta now then how much data update or upgrade is done to final release ?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> xutl: probably very little. even less if you install the daily ISO
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> xutl: this paradigm moots the actual release hour
[13:27] <xutl> ActionParsnip: yea, but I'll wait for another day if needed, no problems at all, just playing around and lighting the mood for release time :D, so cheer up :)
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> xutl: im sitting on Precise for now. Kicks ass
[13:29] <svineet> I want to contribute to Ubuntu, can someone guide me?
[13:29] <ice9> what the 14.04 will be available for download?
[13:29] <Gerowen> Woooo 14.04!
[13:30] <ZombieHunter> ?
[13:30] <karab44> ?????
[13:30] <Hakeem> Hello guys! come on! we're waiting :D
[13:30] <cfhowlett> !contribute|svineet
[13:30] <Sainyam> is this the real deal ?  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:30] <cfhowlett> !party| ice9  Hakeem Sainyam
[13:30] <leo__> Is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop the right page to be refreshing to check if 14.04  final release is available for download
[13:31] <ZombieHunter> so many names and no one chats  what a waste of network space
[13:31] <svineet> Nice bot ubottu
[13:31] <cfhowlett> ZombieHunter this is a support channel.  general chit-chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:31] <svineet> Do you want a biscuit ubottu? XD
[13:32] <xutl> ActionParsnip: lol, pangolin, really or joking or you use LTS versions only ?? :D will you upgrade now, tahr is a LTS release ?
[13:32] <cybercool> Why Ubuntu14.04 is for Cloud?
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> xutl: ill use it til its dead. The OS works. Why fix what aint broke?
[13:32] <Guest44936> hola
[13:32] <Guest44936> z
[13:32] <Guest44936> todo bien?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> xutl: makes no sense
[13:33] <cfhowlett> !es|Guest44936
[13:33] <cfhowlett> ActionParsnip worked for winxp ...
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> cfhowlett: yeah but my 12.04 install gets updates. Thats a big difference
[13:34] <cfhowlett> ActionParsnip true, true ...
[13:34] <xutl> ActionParsnip: (with a surprise) but you must upgrading it reglarly ?? I dont understand why and how people use old versions when there are man things missing in them ? eg. MTP support
[13:34] <cfhowlett> ActionParsnip like you, I use LTS only
[13:34] <peij> Hi everyone. Could someone help me with a sound issue on a MacBook Pro 8.2 please ? Thank you !
[13:34] <guesting> I have this issue: http://pastebin.com/EXwJ0eG9     How can I fix it?
[13:35] <guesting> I tried dist-upgrade and ran into that error
[13:35] <guesting> so I tried sudo apt-get -f install and I'm stuck in that loop now
[13:35] <donvito> were can i download 14.04?
[13:36] <Pici> donvito: The Ubuntu website... once it has been released.
[13:36] <cfhowlett> donvito www.ubuntu.com
[13:36] <azuri5> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[13:36] <xutl> cfhowlett: ActionParsnip any differences between upgraded LTS verions and new versions ?? many say that they use LTS only but I install new ones but now thinking otherwsie infavour of LTS only
[13:36] <Pici> 3/6
[13:37] <donvito> still is not released?
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> xutl: its a file server and SSH endpoint. Its updated and works so why bother
[13:38] <Sudipto> !isitout
[13:38] <cfhowlett> xutl 5 year life span.  leading edge, not bleeding edge.
[13:38] <Sudipto> i am losing patience guys. When will 14.04 be out :(
[13:38] <andygraybeal> you've waited this long
[13:38] <K1CKA55> i was about to ask the same Sudipto
[13:38] <guesting> Dude, just wait a day, it will come :)
[13:38] <cfhowlett> Sudipto before April 18th
[13:38] <xutl> ActionParsnip: cfhowlett but my concern is for new apps and other compatibility issues like for eg. MTP, LTS only provides security updates oves a longer period of time nothing more
[13:38] <waters33637-yaho> in what time zone ... it's getting close in cina ....
[13:38] <donvito> still is not released?
[13:38] <ezhik`> so
[13:38] <cfhowlett> donvito you JUST asked ... NO it's not out yet
[13:38] <ezhik`> april 17th and no official release yet?
[13:38] <ezhik`> :(
[13:38] <ezhik`> Are we waiting for 23:59? ;)
[13:38] <ezhik`> of today.
[13:38] <ezhik`> haha
[13:39] <cfhowlett> ezhik` before april 18th
[13:39] <ezhik`> the whole world is joining htis channel.
[13:39] <ezhik`> to ask
[13:39] <ezhik`> when it will be released :)
[13:39] <cfhowlett> !party| ezhik`
[13:39] <ezhik`> cfhowlett: yeah, which is technically up until 11:59
[13:39] <xutl> track MARK SHUTTLEWORTH, maybe he moved to some new time zone and therefore ubuntu is delayed to be sync'ed according to that timezone, lol
[13:39] <peij> My issue : I've got a broken piece of jack stuck in my headphones output, and I can't get any soud from the internal speakers. I tried editing volumes with alsamixer, with pavucontrol, with gnome-alsamixer  : nothing. I tried to deactivate the headphones output with hdajackretask : nothing. My speakers are working, cause I've got a sound when the EFI boots, and I can use my speakers on Windows. Any idea ? Thanks
[13:39] <Sudipto> right Ezhik
[13:39] <Sudipto> its 7:10pm in India
[13:40] <azuri5> sound when booting is usually a hardware fail alarm
[13:40] <Sudipto> no release yet
[13:40] <xutl> track MARK SHUTTLEWORTH, maybe he moved to some new time zone and therefore ubuntu is delayed to be sync'ed according to that timezone, lol
[13:40] <cfhowlett> peij wait, what?  a broken piece of jack = physical residue?
[13:40] <peij> No azuri, it's a macbook, and this is the usual sound when the EFI boots :)
[13:40] <cfhowlett> xutl stop.  go to the other channel
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !party| xutl
[13:40] <peij> cfhowlett : Yes !
[13:40] <bigred15> Still plenty of time on the 17th, one should not assume their local time defines the release.
[13:40] <kibibyte__> wheres new ubuntu ?
[13:40] <kibibyte__> its 17 april
[13:40] <cfhowlett> peij not an ubuntu issue.  get some needlenose pliers and do surgery
[13:40] <MooDoo> kibibyte__: patience
[13:41] <MooDoo> :D
[13:41] <cfhowlett> !party|kibibyte__
[13:41] <xutl> cfhowlett: at this point of time,  that channel is less happening than this one :D
[13:41] <zarate> hoLA
[13:42] <cfhowlett> xutl this is the support channel.."where is it!" is needless traffic.  thank you.
[13:42] <peij> I know, but I'm looking for a way to make my internal speakers work even if a jack is plugged, and THIS is a software issue. It works in windows, and I'm pretty sure there is a way to make it work under ubuntu
[13:42] <cfhowlett> !es|zarate
[13:42] <zarate> no se hablar en ingles
[13:42] <zarate> usteds puedn hablar en ingles
[13:43] <cfhowlett> !es|zarate
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> xutl: again, my system is a file server and SSH server. So it will be fine
[13:43] <Guest44936> hola soy nuevo alguien quiere ser mi amigo/a
[13:43] <zarate> ¡ es flood
[13:44] <zarate> yo
[13:44] <xutl> cfhowlett: I know, but why are you so tensed, for today, you can relax, I have seen you helping a thousand ppl everyday, today is the last day of ubuntu with its new begining, cheer up :)
[13:44] <cfhowlett> zarate no habla espanol.  join #ubuntu-es
[13:44] <Guest44936> hola
[13:44] <Guest44936> alguien para amigos
[13:44] <zarate> hola que cuentan?
[13:45] <brentjuh> !countdown
[13:45] <zarate> quien quiere hablar??
[13:45] <cfhowlett> xutl pm ...
[13:46] <OerHeks> !es | zarate
[13:46] <cfhowlett> !english|zarate
[13:47] <shivaji> test
[13:47] <cfhowlett> shivaji we see you
[13:47] <xutl> [13:46] == No such nick/channel: cfhowlett: lol
[13:48] <MavKen> Is there a specific release time for 14.04?
[13:48] <xutl> MavKen: date is official but time is not, official date is 17th April
[13:48] <MavKen> ok
[13:48] <MavKen> was hoping to knockout an upgrade before leaving for work haha
[13:49] <ardian> Hi, how does thinkpad t420 perform in Ubuntu, Intel HD 3000 ?
[13:49] <jayaura> Its already evening atleast in india 19:20
[13:49] <cfhowlett> MavKen hurried upgrades are rarely a good idea.  try after work.
[13:49] <AndroUser> When it ready
[13:49] <Guest44936> hol
[13:49] <Guest44936> uuuu
[13:49] <spaes> ardian: i have a T430 and it does quite well, i have dual 20" monitors
[13:49] <Guest44936> aiii
[13:49] <peij> So, no one to help me with my sound issue ?
[13:49] <jayaura> Where is the ubuntu engineer's office located?
[13:49] <Guest44936> ohhhh
[13:50] <Guest44936> siii
[13:50] <Ekushey> why jayaura? :P
[13:50] <ardian> spaes, I am more confused about the graphic card will it perform enough
[13:50] <jayaura> Ekushey, just wanted to know which time zone they are in! :)
[13:50] <Ekushey> GMT, jayaura :)
[13:50] <jayaura> Ekushey, here in india, its 19:20 now! :)
[13:51] <Ekushey> yacc: 19:50 here in Dhaka
[13:51] <Ekushey> sorry that was for jayaura
[13:51] <cfhowlett> jayaura it's the 17th until 23:59 ...
[13:51] <SuperLag> ardian: I'm painting with a wide brush here... but Linux, in general, does very well on ThinkPad machines. They're some of the best-supported hardware out there. DISCLAIMER: I run Ubuntu 14.10b on a ThinkPad W530
[13:51] <jayaura> cfhowlett, cant wait for the stuff to be released! :)
[13:51] <spaes> ardian: i think mine has hd 4000, i'm not sure about 3000, but I think it should be fine for most tasks. what are the most graphics intensive things you'll be doing?
[13:52] <ardian> spaes, I don't do anything will graphics, I only need a text editor and a compiler. but I'd like the 3d effects of unity/gnome
[13:53] <bismark> Anyone around that's familiar with ISC-DHCP DDNS updates to Bind9 running on 12.04 LTS?  I seem to have it configured correct according to the hundred or so pages/tutorials I've read and I can use nsupdate with the rndc key to update a DNS entry but DHCP isn't sending any information over, hell it doesn't even look like it's trying to send the update
[13:53] <SuperLag> ardian: you'd be just fine with that card, then
[13:54] <spaes> ardian: i know what you mean about the 3d effects. you can turn them off in a few different ways.
[13:54] <spaes> ardian: personally i still use gnome "classic" via gnome-session-fallback / gnome-panel
[13:54] <spaes> but i'm definitely in the minority there
[13:55] <ardian> spaes, I am using a good nvidia card with a dell laptop but I am getting that thinkpad cheap, and I love thinkpads but there is only intel on that laptop
[13:55] <Garcia98> When will be Ubuntu 14.04 Final Release out?
[13:55] <ardian> I am interesting to know if it will work with unity/gnome 3
[13:55] <slimjimflim> yay it's the 17th.  how much longer until 14.04 gets released?
[13:55] <slimjimflim> Garcia98: lol
[13:56] <xutl> Garcia98: slimjimflim some time soon, getting closer and closer, date is declared but time is not
[13:56] <spaes> ardian: it should be no problem, but if you are concerned like i am about unnecessary effects, you would just want to look into the unity tweak tool or the analagous tool for gnome 3
[13:56] <slimjimflim> xutl: the suspense is killing me
[13:56] <spaes> *analogous
[13:57] <ardian> spaes, awesome
[13:57] <ardian> thank you guys
[13:57] <halvors> Hi! At what point is Ubuntu 14.04 released? According to the release schedule it should have been, and the RC should too...
[13:57] <spaes> halvors: the date is today, but there is no official time yet
[13:58] <spaes> halvors: i read somewhere that it should be before 5pm london time, which is in a few hours i think
[13:58] <waters33637-yaho> They should have pushed it to 4-20 ... and made a  more supported  event .....
[13:58] <Gerowen> Well fiddlesticks.  I was hoping to leave the install running when I did my evening school bus run, guess I'll have to wait and see.
[13:58] <warren-hill> There never is an official time.  When the Dev's are ready they will publish. I'd expect it to be any time in the next 2 hours
[13:59] <z3r0c00l> does anybody know the status of systemd with 14.04, does it basically work?
[14:00] <Iggggyy> !countdown
[14:01] <xutl> slimjimflim: lol, just dont get your blood pressure beyond human acceptable limits
[14:01] <slimjimflim> xutl: i'll keep that in mind
[14:03] <nishttal2> what time is 14.04 going to be release?
[14:03] <sarin> 14:04
[14:03] <nishttal2> sarin, really?
[14:04] <sarin> ... no
[14:04] <MonkeyDust> nishttal2  any time now, time is different in every segment of the globe
[14:04] <Garcia98> And the best way to perform the most minimal installation of Ubuntu is installing it via Minimal CD, isn't it?
[14:04] <slimjimflim> it just got released:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[14:04] <iszak> When will 14.04 be released today?
[14:04] <nishttal2> MonkeyDust, ok.. I am in NY
[14:04] <iszak> you read my mind!
[14:04] <xutl> nishttal2: date is declared but time is not, it will be out today for sure but time is questionable
[14:04] <nishttal2> aaah cant wait :(
[14:05] <unicron> slimjimflim: that link is for the beta
[14:05] <iszak> alright I can wait.
[14:05] <nekyian> what will be out today?
[14:05] <slimjimflim> unicron: unicron oh, doesn't say beta
[14:05] <xutl> slimjimflim: its daily iso not beta
[14:05] <Whereis1404> i believe that time 01:36 or 01:37 is am not pm
[14:05] <domingo> ubuntu14.04 can't add ppa
[14:05] <klaver> 14:04 UTC, still no release :(
[14:06] <jhutchins> domingo: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[14:06] <t4ng0> lol
[14:06] <iszak> klaver: just get the daily image, basically the same :P
[14:06] <domingo> oh  my god  i already downloadi t
[14:06] <slimjimflim> won't this page change when it gets released?  http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[14:07] <t4ng0> whats with daily image?
[14:07] <t4ng0> lol
[14:07] <Garcia98> slimjimflim: Yep, it should change
[14:07] <slimjimflim> my bad @ the false alarm
[14:08] <domingo> official site still 13.10
[14:08] <slimjimflim> someone just said 3 more hours or so in #ubuntu-release-party
[14:08] <domingo> waiting for
[14:08] <t4ng0> fa
[14:09] <Whereis1404> daily image may or may not be it.
[14:10] <xutl> slimjimflim: ubuntu.com/download/desktop is the page you should look at, that channel is getting lots of spam at this moment, be sure if info there is right or not
[14:13] <lerker> Do we have a release time frame?
[14:13] <xutl> lerker: no
[14:14] <lerker> That's cool, My boss is askign me questions but I can tell him to F off :)
[14:14] <staticvoid> teh teh today junia!!!
[14:14] <xutl> date is declared but time is not, it will be out today for sure but time is questionable, lol for your boss lerker
[14:14] <jelly> xutl: and the timezone?
[14:15] <warren-hill> UK timezone
[14:15] <xutl> jelly: not specified, its unknown
[14:15] <lerker> ikr, I'm telling him to relax but he knows just enough to be a pain, "get on IRC and ask them" he says
[14:15] <staticvoid> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[14:15] <xutl> lerker: take a print-out and show him, he'll cool down
[14:16] <lerker> except "but I can tell him to F off :)"
[14:16] <lerker> ok, this is the plan.. I leave, come back, ask again more professionall and then screenshot it.. brb ;)
[14:17] <jhutchins> The majority of the Cannonical release team is based in the U.S. & Western Europe.  It takes time to do the work, so I would expect the release to be ready by late today in those areas.
[14:17] <jhutchins> It may take a day or two for finalized iso images to be available.
[14:17] <jhutchins> It has in the past.
[14:17] <staticvoid> or they running into problems such as uefi
[14:17] <lerker> Thanks, I came here to ask that.  I will forward the information on.
[14:18] <unicron> lerker: that said, if you install the beta and then do an update, you will end up with the final version at this point
[14:18] <staticvoid> meh i like clean installs better
[14:19] <captine> hi all.  am pretty new to servers etc and playing around a bit.  just wanting to know about inetd.conf.  looking in the file, there doesnt seem to be much in it.  one howto on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[14:19] <captine> refers to the file and a line which isnt in it
[14:19] <captine> just wondering if there is somewhere else in 12.04 for these settings?
[14:19] <staticvoid> hopefully they fixed the grub issue where it doesn't load the kernel
[14:19] <SunilJoshi> Hi,I hv ubuntu13.10 installed with Wubi on NTFS parition. is it going to impact the performance of Ubuntu?
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> peij: what is the output of:   wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[14:19] <scott1993> Prefer fresh install on a dvd better
[14:20] <cfhowlett> SunilJoshi wubi is no longer supported.  you're running an unsupported system.  you break it, you're out of luck
[14:20] <lerker> unicorn, thats great info thank you for anticipating an answer to a question I didnt know  had.
[14:20] <lerker> This stream lines things a lot for me.
[14:21] <staticvoid> hopefully they fixed the grub issue where it doesn't load the kernel
[14:21] <SunilJoshi> cfhowlett: I will be installating Ubuntu 14.04 as fresh, i am just asking if its going to give me a better performance
[14:21] <SunilJoshi> as the underlying FS is NTS
[14:21] <srikanth> get out of the stupid wubi
[14:21] <SunilJoshi> NTFS*
[14:21] <staticvoid> wubi is history
[14:21] <debabrata> update vs fresh install... please suggest...
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> very history
[14:21] <staticvoid> fresh
[14:21] <unicron> lerker: the command is "do-release-upgrade" in case you didn't know :)
[14:21] <cfhowlett> SunilJoshi sure and WHEN it  breaks, as wubi WILL, do not come here crying or asking for help
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> fresh, especially as it is LTS
[14:22] <jayaura> cfhowlett, well said! :D
[14:22] <mmoreram_> Hi there!
[14:22] <peij> ActionParsnip : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=66993364eb08ed91c8435cbbbb065322c2266d44
[14:22] <kupo_> sudo update-manager -d
[14:22] <cfhowlett> SunilJoshi blunt but honest. you are BEGGING for issues and they'll be your problem
[14:22] <mmoreram_> We have already launched ( very scared is how I am right now XD ) this project
[14:22] <mmoreram_> http://elcodi.io
[14:23] <debabrata> thanks...
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> peij: mint isnt supported here
[14:23] <mmoreram_> please... be honest :D
[14:23] <mmoreram_> just interested in architecture issues
[14:23] <mmoreram_> and interested in ecommerce implementation needs
[14:24] <cfhowlett> peij mint is not supported here.  go to #linux-mint for support
[14:24] <staticvoid> Lol LT watches mfc
[14:24] <lerker>  Does anyone know about "do-release-upgrade" historical issues? (was it plagued with errors or cause inconsistancy when going between other major releases?)
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> !mint | peij
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> peij: your distribution is supported there ^
[14:25] <peij> ActionParsnip : this is the same repositories, and the issue is the same on ubuntu (Can't boot to ubuntu at my workplace)
[14:25] <srikanth> no it wont\
[14:25] <cfhowlett> peij you're running mint.  not supported here.  if you want ubuntu support, install an ubuntu distro.
[14:26] <peij> Ok, I'll try this evening, when I can boot on my ubuntu, but I can't really see the difference. Thank you anyway
[14:26] <Obiwantje> Can I get some feedback is ZFSonLinux ZFS runs on the 14.10 daily's ?
[14:26] <Obiwantje> *if
[14:26] <cfhowlett> Obiwantje 14.10 HAS no dailys
[14:26] <staticvoid> been up 24 hours waiting for this release
[14:26] <staticvoid> and now its already 18th
[14:26] <Garcia98> 14.10 will come on october LOL
[14:26] <onefix_work> lerker:  I haven't seen many issues between releases...always have a backup before upgrading...
[14:27] <cfhowlett> staticvoid its' not the 17th in Beijing or in Seattle .. patience
[14:27] <MonkeyDust> is 13.10 out yet?
[14:27] <staticvoid> really?
[14:27] <staticvoid> global clock says everyone is at 17th
[14:27] <cfhowlett> staticvoid do you REALLY thinks it's the same time all over the world?
[14:27] <unicron> lerker: my understanding is that the main issues with do-release-upgrade are configuration incompatibilities with upgraded software, which ought not to be a problem in this case.  but do backup anything at risk
[14:27] <onefix_work> You can always upgrade using do-release-upgrade -d and then just upgrade once it comes out...not much is going to change...
[14:27] <Risqueto> real question is direct download or torrent ?
[14:27] <staticvoid> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[14:28] <MonkeyDust> http://xkcd.com/1335/
[14:28] <kupo_> sudo update-manager -d works fine
[14:28] <gikol> ubuntu-it-party
[14:28] <onefix_work> unicron: Actually, Apache 2.2 -> 2.4 will be a big change, also the newer version of PHP will be a major change too
[14:28] <kupo_> it is what i did and i havent had a bug in over a week
[14:28] <cfhowlett> lerker do release upgrade depends on getting a clean download stream.  if your connection gives you errors, your upgrade gets strange.  I prefer to download, make a boot USB and clean install but ... YMMV
[14:29] <RayXBMC> hello everyone
[14:29] <staticvoid> no one is on the 16th anymore according to worldclock
[14:29] <rainer_vie> any news when the download start?
[14:29] <Viom> hello
[14:29] <onefix_work> cfhowlett: I was pretty sure that do-release-upgrade checks the CRC of all packages...
[14:29] <cfhowlett> staticvoid I beg to differ.  In beijing : 2029.  check your sources
[14:29] <unicron> onefix_work: i mean from the 14.04 beta to the release
[14:30] <cfhowlett> onefix_work agreed.  never the less: torrent is a whole lot less painful
[14:30] <vorsprung> what is the least painful way to install nfs
[14:30] <vorsprung> I need to test something that requires nfs
[14:30] <Garcia98> Again, the best way to perform the most minimal installation of Ubuntu 14.04 will be installing it via Minimal CD, won't be it?
[14:30] <onefix_work> unicron: Oh, I was talking about 12.04 -> 14.04
[14:30] <Risqueto> If heard download will be around 3,5 hrs to 6,5 hrs from now
[14:30] <vorsprung> this is on 12.04
[14:30] <jhutchins> http://xkcd.org/now
[14:31] <staticvoid> hmm http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ must be unreliable then
[14:31] <cfhowlett> jhutchins please stop posting non-support related links
[14:31] <RayXBMC> I configured my USB drive in /etc/fstab with UUID to mount to a /media/directory.  When I reboot the machine it works, when I unplug and replug it doesn't work...permission denied.  The user that I am logged is inside the group disk ( can access /dev/sdb1234) and is member of the group for the directory where I am mounting....   my ntfs-3g is integrated with fuse (I don't know if I really need it )
[14:31] <lerker> thanks for all the feedback guys.  I'll jump in and get beta 2 installed and get some performace mertics out... I'll dd and then hope for the best
[14:31] <rainer_vie> anyone tried the 3.14 kernel ?
[14:31] <jhutchins> cfhowlett: How is your post more support related?
[14:31] <staticvoid> http://24timezones.com/ says the same
[14:32] <kupo_> does ubuuntu minimal come out today as well? or do you just stick with the older and upgrade
[14:32] <onefix_work> As for the ability of Ubuntu to upgrade between releases, that's more a function of the Debian base than Ubuntu itself...
[14:32] <OerHeks> rainer_vie, as it is not in the repos yet, most likely we don't
[14:32] <Risqueto> I hope Ubuntu Gnome doesn't come late.
[14:33] <Risqueto> Dont know why but Im expecting a delay from gnome project
[14:33] <lerker> KVM virtu pretty much the same? I heard rumblings about qeume 2.0 was a maybe?
[14:33] <crimsondusk> so hum
[14:33] <owl65218> ciao a tutti
[14:33] <crimsondusk> 14.04 is now a thing
[14:33] <owl65218> !list
[14:33] <rainer_vie> OerHeks thx thought someone has already tested it… want to test thunderbolt
[14:34] <salsero> ye MonkeyDust 13.10 is out
[14:34] <staticvoid> its taking forever
[14:34] <Johnny_Linux> go take a cold shower
[14:35] <dusf123_> was ubuntu 14.04 not set for release today?
[14:35] <AgentDrTran> yes
[14:35] <dv81> !isitoutyet
[14:35] <cfhowlett> dusf123_ yes and it is still "today"
[14:35] <Risqueto> Welp since this is going to take a few hours Im going to start backing bookmarks and doing a list of programs
[14:35] <dusf123_> thanks
[14:35] <AgentDrTran> It's coming - soon
[14:35] <staticvoid> but today is the 17th tho
[14:35] <nipun> how different is 14.04 from 13.10?
[14:35] <dusf123_> yes but they did not specify a time
[14:35] <staticvoid> well not for me anyways i'm on 18 now
[14:35]  * crimsondusk is attempting to upgrade the 13.10 packages but is getting 404s
[14:35] <cfhowlett> nipun it's ubuntu in both version ...
[14:36] <dusf123_> nipun: they made changes tothe menubars
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> nipun  any review can tell you what's new
[14:36] <onefix_work> I noticed that the version I tested of 14.04 had the Apache Heartbeat separated as a module...wonder if this was a change made for Heartbleed...
[14:36] <dusf123_> etc
[14:36] <nipun> I haven't seen any of it yet.
[14:36] <crimsondusk> basically synaptic is trying to download http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/curl/libcurl3-gnutls_7.32.0-1ubuntu1.3_amd64.deb
[14:36] <garfa> holaaa
[14:36] <crimsondusk> but that's 404 :(
[14:37] <Risqueto> hola garfa
[14:37] <cfhowlett> !es| garfa
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> onefix_work: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Trusty support
[14:37] <RayXBMC> I configured my USB drive in /etc/fstab with UUID to mount to a /media/directory.  When I reboot the machine it works, when I unplug and replug it doesn't work...permission denied.  The user that I am logged is inside the group disk ( can access /dev/sdb1234) and is member of the group for the directory where I am mounting....   my ntfs-3g is integrated with fuse (I don't know if I really need it )
[14:37] <anon7893> im using 12.04 lts... do i have to modify my after install scripts..?? like the ppa i used for 12.04 will also work for 14.04??
[14:37] <crimsondusk> oh wait.. need to reload sources heh
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> anon7893: you'd have to check what releases the PPA supports
[14:37] <garfa> thanks!
[14:38] <srikanth> check it out..... http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr-review-solid-and-stable-but-no-big-changes-7000028437/
[14:38] <Risqueto> shiet son that ubottu bt is too smart
[14:38] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip, Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \ l
[14:38] <Risqueto> bot*
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: before you unplug it, do you safely remove it in the OS before pysically unplugging it?
[14:39] <anon7893> ActionParsnip: so its safe to say that id have to rebuild a new one then?
[14:39] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip, no, I just unplug it , may I know why you ask that question.
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> anon7893: possibly. If the PPA supports your release then it can be added etc
[14:39] <anon7893> ActionParsnip: cool thanks man
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: because there is a reason that functionality is present. Most people don't then wonder why they get issues
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: once you are finished with the storage, use the safe removal feature and the caches will be sync'd and flushed. You can then remove the device and have no issues
[14:40] <staticvoid> did you check the hash on the iso
[14:40] <anon7893> ActionParsnip: owww here another one... what if i add a unsopported ppa?? what would happen??
[14:41] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip,  I think the problem is that when I boot my machine, fstab is running under root and everything works... when I plug after I am logged in,  I think I don't have the proper rights, I get a pop saying /dev/sbc1 denied, mount denied,  refer to texera.com....
[14:41] <gabe__> hey. does anyone know what time ubuntu 14.04 LTS goes online?
[14:41] <cfhowlett> !party|gabe__ no time given
[14:41] <gabe__> damn. :( ok. thanks
[14:41] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip,  I can reboot my machine, don't give the usb drive pluged, then I just plugged after logging in and it doesn't work.
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> gabe__   any time now, time is different in every segment of the globe
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: if you use the safe removal, unless you need a special execute access on the storage, the defaults will be fine
[14:42] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip,  I have a custom /etc/fstab because I need it :)
[14:42] <gabe__> @monkeydust you are right...but I thought there was a time in GMT to count on. thanks anyway
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: then when you connect it, run:   sudo mount -a    and it will mount
[14:43] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip, UUID=F474B7AA74B76DCC  /media/test	ntfs-3g	auto,exec,rw,users,umask=002,gid=1002,uid=1000  0  0
[14:43] <therealmethu> UH NO IT GOT DELAYED!!!!! http://geebzor.com/tech/linux/canonical-delays-release-of-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> therealmethu: trusty is offtopic here
[14:43] <s3an2> #ubuntu-release-party
[14:43] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip,  I know that sudo mount -a works....but I don't want that... I want to just plug it in and it should work.
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: then run:   sudo mount /media/test
[14:43] <dysoco> therealmethu, oh come on :'(
[14:44] <Risqueto> come on !!!
[14:44] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip,  I made sure the user I am connected is in the group disk, I made sure the /media/test has the correct group permissions, etc....
[14:44] <staticvoid> no sleep
[14:45] <aysorth> therealmethu: that's verified?
[14:45] <somsip> aysorth: from looking at the blog, clearly not
[14:45] <aysorth> therealmethu: I'm not sure he even has a twitter account :P
[14:45] <Cloudane> >nothing on ubuntu twitter.  Seems legit.
[14:46] <Risqueto> That article is fake
[14:46] <therealmethu> sorry just found it thought it was real
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> RayXBMC: udisks will manage it for you, as long as the NTFS partition has been safely removed. If you need execute permissions then you may need to suffer. Are there any bugs reported?
[14:46] <vn> hi, I got this when trying to install/upgade, how can I fix it?  linux-server : Depends: linux-image-server (= 3.2.0.56.66) but 3.2.0.60.71 is to be installed
[14:46] <Risqueto> check out Mark Shuttleworth's twitter and theres nothing
[14:46] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip,  I don't know if I am doing something wrong.
[14:47] <Sudipto> !isitout
[14:47] <wilburdg> Article is clearly fake. Mark Shuttleworth doesn't have a twitter account, Ubuntu twitter account says nothing, and the Heartbleed bug was resolved by a simple patch to OpenSSL.
[14:47] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip, I use /etc/fstab because I set a different group for the mounting point, I share that group with a few user accounts in my machines.
[14:47] <bigred15> wilburdg: +1
[14:48] <Guest61579> hi
[14:48] <Sudipto> hlo
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> !rootirc | Guest61579
[14:48] <omkar_> what is url for downloading the ubuntu 14.04 LTS ?
[14:48] <AgentDrTran> It's not out
[14:48] <varikonniemi> its out today, right?
[14:48] <Guest61579> i have a problem on my backtrack
[14:48] <Sudipto> !rootirc
[14:48] <RayXBMC> ActionParsnip, I like /etc/fstab, I can map all my USB drives by UUI and I can customize the permission on the mount point.
[14:48] <cfhowlett> Guest61579 BT is not supported here.  sorry
[14:48] <Sudipto> !rootirc | Sudipto
[14:49] <Guest61579> so when i go
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> Guest61579: ask in #backtrack-linux
[14:49] <User___> hello people
[14:51] <Sudipto> #ubuntu-release-party
[14:51] <omkar_> at what time ubuntu 14.04 LTS will be out ?
[14:51] <staticvoid> soon
[14:51] <aysorth> soon(tm)
[14:51] <aysorth> :)
[14:51] <Cloudane> probably sometime in the next 8 hours
[14:51] <Guest61579> hello
[14:52] <therealmethu> OMG SERIOUSLY http://geebzor.com/tech/linux/canonical-delays-release-of-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/
[14:52] <wilburdg> Article is clearly fake. Mark Shuttleworth doesn't have a twitter account, Ubuntu twitter account says nothing, and the Heartbleed bug was resolved by a simple patch to OpenSSL.
[14:52] <bekks> therealmethu: stop spreading FUD.
[14:52] <Cloudane> not seriously
[14:52] <cfhowlett> therealmethu you been trolled
[14:52] <cfhowlett> therealmethu don't feel bad, me too
[14:53] <Roland> need help installing compass anyone bored ?? :)
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> !info compass
[14:54] <Roland> my current problem is that i need to pass my proxy @ gem install routine
[14:55] <omkar_> is there any fixed time of releasing version of ubuntu ?
[14:55] <IdleOne> no
[14:55] <cfhowlett> omkar_ no
[14:55] <IdleOne> !party
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> omkar_    any time now, time is different in every segment of the globe
[14:55] <b0t> hi, i have a problem bash: /home/jack/.bashrc: Permission denied
[14:55] <staticvoid> sudo
[14:56] <bekks> staticvoid: No.
[14:56] <bekks> b0t: Check permissions of that file.
[14:56] <staticvoid> you trying to edit that ?
[14:56] <crimsondusk> b0t, what are you trying to do?
[14:56] <dr_gonzo> 9
[14:56] <b0t> Beek /home/jack/ bass = 755
[14:57] <bekks> b0t: Thats not the permissions of the file in question.
[14:57] <crimsondusk> b0t, you are not supposed to execute .bashrc
[14:57] <staticvoid> isn't .profile
[14:57] <crimsondusk> b0t, so what are you trying to do?
[14:58] <savish> When will ubuntu 14.04 drop?
[14:58] <savish> its the 17th
[14:58] <crimsondusk> savish, sometime today
[14:58] <Tunix> when its done
[14:58] <savish> They dont have a set time oO
[14:58] <shoenig> 14.04 is cancelled
[14:58] <crimsondusk> nope
[14:58] <savish> ...
[14:58] <savish> oO
[14:58] <crimsondusk> shoenig, false
[14:59] <cfhowlett> shoenig stop that now
[14:59] <bekks> savish: They never did. Be patient.
[14:59] <savish> shoenig, is a troll
[14:59] <staticvoid> lol
[14:59] <staticvoid> they're not gonan cancell a release i've been up for 24+ hours
[15:00] <savish> staticvoid, why?
[15:00] <savish> have you been up so long
[15:00] <savish> its justa  release
[15:00] <staticvoid> couldn
[15:00] <cfhowlett> !enter
[15:00] <staticvoid> t want
[15:00] <staticvoid> wait
[15:00] <savish> Im more excited for the server stuff it brings then the desktop
[15:00] <omkar_> is ubuntu touch final also getting released today ?
[15:00] <staticvoid> can't even type anymore lol
[15:00] <bekks> staticvoid: So you wasted one night with pointless waiting. :>
[15:00] <cfhowlett> !touch|omkar_
[15:01] <staticvoid> just over excited that's all
[15:01] <crimsondusk> i'm just looking forward to having a ton of updates :p
[15:01] <staticvoid> can't sleep when over excited
[15:01] <Tunix> already upgraded a few hours ago, final changes won't be that massive
[15:01] <LongCatTH> Ubuntu going to upgrade itself to Windows 9
[15:01] <crimsondusk> Tunix, i meant ton as in filesize terms
[15:01] <savish> LMAO
[15:02] <cfhowlett> LongCatTH stop now
[15:02] <savish> I want winblows 400
[15:02] <savish> I really only want ubuntu 14.04 on desktop for gnome
[15:02] <savish> I love gnome
[15:02] <savish> gnome ftw
[15:02] <c2tarun> what is the release Time for Ubuntu 14.04?
[15:02] <savish> never
[15:02] <cfhowlett> c2tarun when it's ready
[15:02] <crimsondusk> c2tarun, sometime today
[15:02] <crimsondusk> there is no set time
[15:02] <cfhowlett> savish there is the ubuntu-gnome version
[15:03] <savish> cfhowlett, I hate the ubuntu gnome version
[15:03] <savish> I am fine with gnome shell
[15:03]  * crimsondusk waves the xfce flag over savish
[15:03] <RayXBMC> Does anybody has a amazing udev script for USB mounting drives ?
[15:03] <savish> jesus does
[15:03] <savish> ask him
[15:03] <kupo_> well. glad i was able to unistall the new kernel easily
[15:03] <Risqueto> I dont like those oversized gnome buttons
[15:03] <bekks> RayXBMC: Plug in the device, it will be automounted.
[15:04] <Risqueto> its like they're pushing desktop button towars tablets
[15:04] <omkar_> jesus doesnt exist , ubuntu does
[15:04] <c2tarun> savish, you tried latest version of Gnome-shell?
[15:04] <RayXBMC> Bekks: I want the following outcome  UUID=F474B7AA74B76DCC  /media/test	ntfs-3g	auto,exec,rw,users,umask=002,gid=1002,uid=1000  0  0
[15:04] <savish> c2tarun, 3.12?
[15:04] <crimsondusk> shouldn't that go to /etc/fstab?
[15:05] <savish> no I havent
[15:05] <RayXBMC> Beek: When I put the USB, I want the group to be a certain name so that it's shared.
[15:05] <bekks> RayXBMC: the default for a device with the filesystem label "test" is /media/youruser/test
[15:05] <gabr13l> you say ubuntu gnome is ready? d/l link?
[15:05] <Tunix> feeling cocky? dist-upgrade to trusty tahr ...on a debian machine ;)
[15:05] <Xaft> Hello, I think I am having unwanted connections to various addresses to the internet on my computer. I am running 13.10 is there anyway to see all connections?
[15:05] <RayXBMC> crimsondusk,  I hae it in the /etc/fstab but it doesn't work.... my plan b is to try udev rule ? I  don't want to write from sratch.
[15:05] <ira_> whats so new in Ubuntu 14.04?
[15:05] <a10021> anyone know what time trusty is released? (I realized that I'm the Nth person asking this today)
[15:05] <Tunix> there were times where this was possible
[15:05] <dev_lup> Any clue when is 14.04 going to be released?
[15:06] <betabertus8899> Hey guys, when i want to update... it says cannot update untrusted packages
[15:06] <crimsondusk> dev_lup, sometime today, no set time
[15:06] <betabertus8899> how do i get rid of this?
[15:06] <dr_gonzo> it is out
[15:06] <staticvoid> wonder if the server hosting the image crashes when we all download together...
[15:06] <cfhowlett> staticvoid torrent is better
[15:06] <RayXBMC> bekks, I created test, I want a specfic mount point with specific permissions....
[15:06] <bekks> staticvoid: It is not a single server.
[15:06] <crimsondusk> torrents are a thing too
[15:06] <dev_lup> The main page doesnt say anythin about 14.04. So i was wondering, if its officially out yet
[15:07] <bekks> RayXBMC: then you have to write a specific udev rule from scratch
[15:07] <staticvoid> yea but they have to have tons of peers uploading at max
[15:07] <crimsondusk> dev_lup, not officially out yet
[15:07] <alexandros_c> I can't find 14.04 on ubuntu website
[15:07] <RayXBMC> bekks,   there must be a good script out there or someone here already did it....
[15:07] <savish> I will stomp my feet and it will be released
[15:07] <dev_lup> Yeah. so any clue when's it gonna be launched.?
[15:07] <bekks> alexandros_c: it isnt released yet.
[15:07] <cfhowlett> dev_lup today
[15:07] <Garcia98> YAY!
[15:07] <Garcia98> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[15:07] <glorytoad> Wow.  Only been lurking for a few seconds, and I've seen ten requests for "When".  Fun times.
[15:07] <alexandros_c> thanks bekks
[15:08] <dev_lup> yeah but thats beta
[15:08] <bekks> RayXBMC: I strongly doubt someone already did exactly what you want. So the fastest way is to write that oneliner from scratch.
[15:08] <staticvoid> beta2 falls alarm everyone
[15:08] <Garcia98> Oh, shit, they have removed Beta 2 tag but isos are still of Beta 2 :P
[15:08] <Pici> !party
[15:08] <Garcia98> OK, not now party
[15:08] <Garcia98> Ok, now party LOL
[15:08] <Jn_Kell> I all, is it possible to have the dash functionality outside of Unity? I'd like a different WM, but i also like the ease of de Dash.
[15:09] <RayXBMC> bekks, one liner...comon.... I need to filter the usb, have a way to create a pattern for the map point...then make sure I have unmount rule or something.....
[15:09] <Garcia98> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:09] <RayXBMC> bekks,  I can't do it 1 liner....
[15:09] <bekks> RayXBMC: It is a oneliner.
[15:09] <Risqueto> I can't see the download
[15:09] <savish> Lets highjack this room and party
[15:09] <bekks> RayXBMC: If you have no clue about it, dont argue about it ;)
[15:09] <RayXBMC> bekks,  UUID=F474B7AA74B76DCC  /media/test	ntfs-3g	auto,exec,rw,users,umask=002,gid=1002,uid=1000  0  0    can translate to 1 liner in udev rule ?
[15:10] <RayXBMC> bekks, ahhh if I filter by uuid
[15:10] <bekks> RayXBMC: You want that oneline, you have to write it :)
[15:10] <dusf123_> !isitoutyet
[15:10] <betabertus8899>  !isitoutyet
[15:11] <RayXBMC> bekks, you can filter a udev rule by UUID ?
[15:11] <bekks> RayXBMC: Sure.
[15:12] <runasas> Hallo
[15:12] <runasas> #join ubuntu-de
[15:13] <RayXBMC> bekks,  be back in a while, let me try writing the 1 liner ;)
[15:13] <jmax> ubuntu 14.04 is here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[15:14] <c2tarun> !isitoutyet
[15:14] <Garcia98> http://i.imgur.com/AjV2bvC.jpg
[15:14] <Garcia98> IT IS OUT!
[15:14] <Programmer-N7> Yaaaaayyyyyy
[15:15] <staticvoid> that's the bottom bit if you scroll up still says beta2
[15:15] <iszak> Programmer-N7: I don't think it is.
[15:15] <crimsondusk> it is not out
[15:15] <neumjeren> Hello! (Bunutu 12.04) When I turn on laptop Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6 combo to call terminal work just fine. When I close the lid, and come back, it doesnt work at all. Moreover, during restart I can't even accas bios, hiting F2 only makes monitor dimm. How to solve this? Thank you!
[15:15] <crimsondusk> it's still yet to be announced
[15:15] <Programmer-N7> Dang
[15:15] <Programmer-N7> I might wait to update....gonna be fooorever
[15:16] <staticvoid> can't really say its out till they update the homepage of ubuntu website
[15:16] <staticvoid> or the download page
[15:16] <Garcia98> I'm not liying LOL
[15:16] <Johnny_Linux> nice
[15:16] <Edir127> Come Ooooon 14.04
[15:17] <c2tarun> Garcia98, can you share the link plz
[15:17] <safasi> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:17] <ikonia> c2tarun: it is NOT out
[15:17] <linagee> so, now that 14.04 is out (which includes linux kernel 3.13), everyone is going to dump iptables and learn nftables, right? LOL
[15:17] <staticvoid> nope still no word from twitter or homepage
[15:17] <c2tarun> ikonia, okie, I am refreshing hompage though, after every 30 mins or so
[15:17] <lolTahr> WER CAN I DL 14.04 STABURU?
[15:17] <Danato> I need help recovering a partition table that was quickly formated please. Has anybody here used scalpel or anything like that
[15:18] <bekks> lolTahr: www.ubuntu.com - wait until it is released.
[15:18] <linagee> lolTahr: lrn2search
[15:18] <ikonia> c2tarun: there will be an annocument, so just ahng on for the annoucement
[15:18] <Abd_Allatif> safasi: "The requested URL /14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso was not found on this server." why is that?
[15:18] <yossarianuk> #ubuntu-release-party  just banned me because I posted a link to the final iso.
[15:18] <yossarianuk> pretty pissed off about that
[15:18] <ikonia> yossarianuk: so don't so it then as it's not released
[15:18] <Edir127> 14.04…………
[15:18] <linagee> What is a Tahr and why do I care? :)
[15:18] <Edir127> Come on
[15:18] <c2tarun> ikonia, where will be the announcement? here only?
[15:18] <yossarianuk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso  -> this is not offical ?
[15:18] <bekks> Edir127: Wait for the release.
[15:18] <staticvoid> @Garcia98 just keep pressing F5 on the webiste
[15:19] <ikonia> c2tarun: irc, email, the home page, twitter etc
[15:19] <daryl> still nothing?
[15:19] <lolTahr> UBUNTU REREASED
[15:19] <Danato> I need help recovering a partition table that was quickly formated please. Has anybody here used scalpel or anything like that
[15:19] <Edir127> Tahr is an animal
[15:19] <neumjeren> Hello! (Bunutu 12.04) When I turn on laptop Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6 combo to call terminal work just fine. When I close the lid, and come back, it doesnt work at all. Moreover, during restart I can't even access bios, hitting F2 only makes monitor to dim. How to solve this? Thank you!
[15:19] <ikonia> c2tarun: need to wait for the official announcment to make sure the mirros are synced, keys in place etc etc
[15:19] <linagee> just download the beta and apt-get upgrade your way to the release
[15:19] <safasi> Abd_Allatif try http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ and scroll to the bottom
[15:19] <luhpur> where is 14.04?!
[15:19] <Pici> !party
[15:19] <aysorth> neumjeren: sounds like a problem with your laptop, not ubuntu
[15:19] <daryl> anyway, i'll just wait for the update to come via the software updater
[15:19] <ikonia> luhpur: there will be an annocument when it's released please be patient
[15:20] <luhpur> ok :)
[15:20] <lolTahr> ANY ETA PL0X?
[15:20] <Abd_Allatif> I am still getting "Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) Beta 2"
[15:20] <staticvoid> no Aus party its bs
[15:20] <ikonia> luhpur: there is no eta
[15:20] <luhpur> ok ok
[15:20] <lolTahr> CINNAMON WORKS ON NEW REREASE?
[15:21] <ikonia> luhpur: no need for caps
[15:21] <Johnny_Linux> lolcat_  chill
[15:21] <Johnny_Linux> lolTahr
[15:21] <Edir127> Yah no caps
[15:21] <linagee> I hear they have lowercase for computers now
[15:21]  * Abd_Allatif gets no "Beta" now :)
[15:21] <Edir127> Try DAT
[15:21] <ikonia> Abd_Allatif: just wait for the annoucement - please
[15:21] <Edir127> Tru dat*
[15:21] <lolTahr> SRY MUCH CONFUZING WID ALL D QUIT MSGS
[15:21] <Abd_Allatif> ikonia: ok
[15:22] <bekks> lolTahr: Ignore set.
[15:22] <Edir127> Lowercase dude
[15:22] <SonikkuAmerica> ATTENTION PEOPLE! EVERYTHING ABOUT 14.04 / TRUSTY GOES IN #ubuntu-release-party AND #ubuntu+1 UNTIL THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES OUT! PLEASE AND THANK YOU!
[15:22] <bekks> SonikkuAmerica: Ignore set.
[15:22] <linagee> all these caps are giving me a headache
[15:22] <karab44> This is crazy
[15:22] <SonikkuAmerica> (Forgive my caps)
[15:22] <Edir127> Ubuntu-release-party, eh?
[15:23] <karab44> Somebody give the link Pless!
[15:23] <Malkav> any news on the release time?
[15:23] <Pici> when it's done.
[15:23] <ikonia> karab44: it's not out yet
[15:23] <kibibyte>  i just downloaded  and installed ubuntu 14.04 but have problem with wifi. any1 can help me ?
[15:23] <Programmer-N7> Lol
[15:23] <crimsondusk> kibibyte, you shouldn't have downloaded and installed it yet
[15:24] <bmxscott1993> https://www.facebook.com/system76
[15:24] <karab44> Servers are down!!
[15:24] <bekks> karab44: Dont worry. You will not die. And the world will keep turning.
[15:25] <karab44> Bekks im her since yersterday!
[15:25] <bekks> karab44: No apologies.
[15:25] <willyg_cos> karab44: IRC are sideways...
[15:28] <kibibyte> ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent was found on this server.
[15:28] <ikonia> kibibyte: it is not an official release - so STOP trying to use it until the annoucement of stable, official release.
[15:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Lol, bekks ignored me because I all-capped an announcement saying the same thing :)
[15:30] <Danato> will ppl stop crying over the late release of a distro version. Its making some ppl look like kids
[15:30] <c3l> its downloading :)
[15:30] <havnestance3> how do i enable notify from mdadm?
[15:30] <ikonia> havnestance3: you need access to a mail relay
[15:31] <havnestance3> I have the email client configured everythings working there I can even send a test message from MDADM
[15:31] <havnestance3> but if i unplug a drive putting my system in degraded raid1 it doesn't trigger anything
[15:31] <ikonia> havnestance3: from mdadm ?
[15:31] <RayXBMC> bekks, hmmmm doesn't work....  I must have written something wrong.
[15:31] <ikonia> havnestance3: how are you sending a test message from mdadm ?
[15:31] <penta> RELEASE or RIOT
[15:31] <havnestance3> I ran sudo mdadm --monitor --scan --daemonize --test --syslog /dev/md0 and got a return of 24456
[15:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh no, not again...
[15:32] <bekks> penta: IGNORE.
[15:32] <RayXBMC> bekks, CTION=="add", ENV{DEVTYPE}=="partition", ENV{ID_FS_UUID}=="F474B7AA74B76DCC", RUN+="/bin/mount -U -o auto,exec,rw,users,umask=002,gid=1002,uid=1000 $env{ID_FS_UUID} /media/test"
[15:32] <havnestance3> ikonia, yeah it sends a test email from mdadm
[15:32] <ikonia> havnestance3: did that send an email ?
[15:32] <ikonia> havnestance3: I'm surprised that sent an email
[15:32] <havnestance3> but im getting no email from it
[15:32] <penta> RELEASE or RIOT
[15:32] <havnestance3> wait hang on let me find what i did for the test email
[15:32] <crimsondusk> so much for riots
[15:32] <havnestance3> sudo mdadm -monitor -scan -test
[15:33] <ikonia> havnestance3: do you KNOW that is trying to send an email, or think it's trying to send an email
[15:33] <ikonia> havnestance3: I didn't think that sent an email
[15:33] <PotatoHead007> I am banned from the #ubuntu-release-party? why?
[15:33] <savish> released yet?
[15:33] <SonikkuAmerica> penta: Ignore has been set
[15:33] <ikonia> savish: no
[15:33] <savish> rages
[15:33] <havnestance3> I know its trying to send one, that command returned a test email
[15:33] <PotatoHead007> I am banned from the #ubuntu-release-party? why?
[15:33] <SonikkuAmerica> PotatoHead007: Ummm... your IP address is blacklisted. Take it to #ubuntu-ops please
[15:33] <PotatoHead007> ok
[15:33] <ikonia> PotatoHead007: guys in #ubuntu-ops can help you
[15:33] <PotatoHead007> thanks
[15:34] <ikonia> havnestance3: sorry, what do you mean, returned a test mail /
[15:34] <staticvoid> wonder if the download is ready when i go to bed?
[15:34] <Cheekio> It's like the communist party in here- rules enforced with an iron fist.
[15:34] <PotatoHead007> btw ikonia it said you requested it... "no 14.04 for you."
[15:34] <crimsondusk> staticvoid, my clairvoyance isn't strong enough for me to know that, still working on it :(
[15:35] <havnestance3> ikonia, hang on let me change this to email me directly for now. I'll rerun the commands and drop the results in the pastebin to help you help me. I should have done that first
[15:35] <ikonia> havnestance3: cool, thank you
[15:35] <staticvoid> crimsondusk, well its the 18th here so i think i'm gonna sleep i have no sleep for 24+ hours
[15:35] <Cheekio> What's the over/under on 14.04  being released  in the next hour?
[15:35] <ikonia> Cheekio: there is no set time, so no-one knows
[15:35] <crimsondusk> staticvoid, i don't think it's very healthy to stay up for 24+ hours :p
[15:36] <balazs> hello, I have a 13.10 instance on AWS. It says that "24 packages can be updated. 6 updates are security updates.", but sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade does not pick up anything. What gives ?
[15:36] <staticvoid> anyways goodnight or good morning ladies and gents
[15:36] <counter> I can not find the final trusty images ...
[15:36] <ikonia> Cheekio: because it's not released yet
[15:36] <counter> hi
[15:36] <crimsondusk> counter, it's not out
[15:36] <Cheekio> I'm comfortable with that
[15:36] <Cheekio> All I know is on the 15th they said the 17th
[15:37] <ikonia> Cheekio: sorry, that was for counter
[15:37] <ikonia> Cheekio: my fault, typo
[15:37] <Cheekio> :D
[15:37] <Cheekio> No problem
[15:37] <PotatoHead007> No sleep for me
[15:37]  * PotatoHead007 is staying up until 14.04 comes out
[15:37] <bekks> PotatoHead007: And no compassion either ;)
[15:37] <PotatoHead007> bekks, lol xD
[15:37] <savish> release release release ... chants epic words of religious ubuntu-ism
[15:38] <Sudipto> !isitout
[15:38] <PotatoHead007> savish not gonna work
[15:38] <cynide> when is 14.04 releasing/
[15:38] <savish> RELEASE
[15:38] <ikonia> savish: join #ubuntu-release-party if you want to chat about the release
[15:38] <savish> no
[15:38] <savish> I wont
[15:38] <ikonia> savish: STOP  - this is your ONLY warning
[15:38] <PotatoHead007> I have been chanting all day
[15:38] <Chewy64> balazs, Try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[15:38] <savish> no
[15:38] <counter> ok thx, it is coming in the next hours? I saw in the news ubuntu is out ... :D
[15:38] <PotatoHead007> counter maybe :/ no actual hour
[15:39] <asdflksjdfk> when is the release :-/ ? It's already crossing 17th in my timezone :(
[15:39] <Chewy64> balazs, Also, if you did the updates today, that message will hang until tomorrow.
[15:39] <karab44> ITS THERE DOWNLOADDDDD
[15:39] <pssalman> it is already there
[15:39] <asdflksjdfk> i do do-release-upgrade , it says no release available :(
[15:39] <pssalman> http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/
[15:39] <crimsondusk> asdflksjdfk, because there's no release available
[15:39] <PotatoHead007> yolo, gonna go eat
[15:39] <PotatoHead007> be back later :P
[15:39] <pssalman> no beta tags and timestamps are updated
[15:40] <crimsondusk> pssalman, but no announcement
[15:40] <balazs> Chewy64: what's the logic behind not removing that warning ?
[15:40] <pssalman> the announcement will take place soon after all ubuntu mirrors are updated
[15:40] <bekks> pssalman: No announcement, so nobody can tell wether all release-related work is done yet.
[15:40] <deb> helo, can someone help me? http://sprunge.us/fOgQ
[15:40] <penth> he's right; non-beta isos are there but dist-upgrade isn't ready et
[15:41] <asdflksjdfk> then how to upgrade 12.04?
[15:41] <penth> with patience
[15:41] <bekks> asdflksjdfk: Wait for 14.04, then update.
[15:41] <Necrordian> Is ubuntu 14.04 released? I can't see it on site, there is still 13.10
[15:41] <Rk2> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[15:41] <pssalman> http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/
[15:41] <ikonia> Necrordian: no, it's not
[15:42] <crimsondusk> to be fair
[15:42] <crimsondusk> it's right on the front page
[15:42] <intagger> Where is my TLS
[15:42] <Necrordian> ikonia: on releases.ubuntu.com now i see 14.04 :)
[15:42] <Chewy64> balazs, It's just written to a file that is only updated once per calender day pretty much. No real logic really.
[15:42] <bekks> intagger: In your certificates.
[15:42] <ikonia> Necrordian: that's not the official release info
[15:42] <Necrordian> A ook, thanks
[15:42] <intagger> bekks: thx =) Time Long Support
[15:43] <Necrordian> But official release info will be posted today?
[15:43] <bekks> intagger: Obviously you are talking about LTS (long term support) which is not TLS (transport layer security).
[15:43] <gus3> apologies to the admin on the release party channel.  Guess I wasn't supposed to post the link.  Sorry.
[15:43] <balazs> Chewy64: where is that file ? Will it get regenerated if I remove it ?
[15:44] <Necrordian> And what about kubuntu, Will It be released today?
[15:44] <spikeb> Necrordian, yep
[15:44] <crimsondusk> Necrordian, they all release at the same time
[15:44] <Pici> deb: Is there a reason you're trying to install the gconf-service package?
[15:44] <bekks> Necrordian: All official derivates will be released today.
[15:44] <intagger> bekks: so when STL 04.41 will be available?
[15:45] <Pici> er
[15:45] <crimsondusk> heh
[15:45] <pssalman> it is available for download but the official announcement is not yet made
[15:45] <Pici> deb: nm, I misread something
[15:45] <pssalman> http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/
[15:45] <Necrordian> Thanks guys I'm waiting for hours. Got up at seven o'clock and still waiting for new kubuntu :D
[15:45] <fadkoda> I can call suspend/hibernate without a problem, but my system does not go into suspend automatically after 5 minutes. How could I solve this?
[15:45] <bekks> intagger: the Surface Tesselation Language is not involved into Ubuntu releases.
[15:45] <ikonia> pssalman: then don't post unofficial links
[15:45] <Danato> bekks: does that include Mint or not?
[15:45] <bekks> Danato: No.
[15:45] <LinuxGuruz> http://www.drop-dropbox.com/
[15:45] <bekks> !mint | Danato
[15:45] <Artemis3> well thats public location and getting the torrent would be the best way
[15:46] <pssalman> it is official on ubuntu website
[15:46] <ikonia> pssalman: no it's not on ubuntu.com
[15:46] <ikonia> pssalman: so it's not official
[15:46] <pssalman> okay keep waiting then
[15:46] <ikonia> thank you
[15:46] <Danato> bekks: I know, I use Ubuntu, but it was jst a curiosity
[15:46] <penth> cjwatson from the release team just said in -release-party to stop downloading the isos.
[15:46] <johndropper> Yeah
[15:46] <johndropper> Yeah
[15:46] <Chewy64> balazs, Off the top of my head, try "cat /etc/motd"
[15:46] <Risqueto> The releases.u.c servers are currently being hammered to the extent that I can't actually push updates to it which are needed for release.
[15:46] <penth> The servers are being hit so hard they can't push the updates to the release servers
[15:46] <deb> Pici, last time my pt-get was ok was before i try to install android studio, then when i install jdk version  or 7 everything when nuts
[15:47] <Necrordian> Lol, they removed 14.04 images froum releases.ubuntu
[15:47] <clouder`grr> is there a specific channel for alcoholics who use ubuntu?
[15:47] <San001> hello , how i can fix the broken s/ware thro' terminal - thanks
[15:47] <sudormrf> hello all! can someone check this crontab entry and let me know if it should work?
[15:47] <Artemis3> leave the torrents you silly
[15:47] <Chewy64> balazs, I'd check to see if the updates is says it needs are actually installed first. You may just need to update your sources list.
[15:47] <nekonyu> http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/ still says beta. Am I missing something?
[15:48] <karab44|2> Where is the announcement?
[15:48] <ikonia> nekonyu: yes, it's not released
[15:48] <beachbuddah> @clouder'grr not that I know oif, just don't drink and join a LoCo
[15:48] <deb> Pici, i apt-get remove and purge jdk6 and jdk7 but didnt do anything, now am stuck with an useless apt-get
[15:48] <nekonyu> Oh. Okay thanks.
[15:48] <sudormrf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7268888/
[15:48] <karab44|2> nekonyu: my is not beta
[15:48] <deb> Pici, by the way i manage to install android studio using the jdk from oracle
[15:48] <penth> the announcement is still the 15 Apr press release. IT AIN'T OUT. Please chill.
[15:48] <blez> is ubuntu 14 released?
[15:49] <bekks> blez: No.
[15:49] <Necrordian> No
[15:49] <blez> why? facebook says so
[15:49] <bekks> blez: Dont believe in Facebook.
[15:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Facebook isn't god.
[15:49] <blez> so when will it be released?
[15:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Soon.
[15:49] <Necrordian> Today xD
[15:49] <bekks> blez: When it's done.
[15:49] <llutz> sudormrf: thats incrontab,not crontab? as crontab entry it wouldn't work
[15:49] <xorrbit> is it released yet or not? I saw it up
[15:49] <pssalman> because all images have been updated but some people like to wait for the official announcement http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/
[15:49] <xorrbit> but now it's gone
[15:49] <bekks> xorrbit: It isnt released yet.
[15:50] <xorrbit> okay
[15:50] <beachbuddah> I feel like when I was with my kids on a drive...
[15:50] <beachbuddah> Are we there yet?
[15:50] <xorrbit> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso was working a minute ago, but isn't anymore
[15:50] <bekks> beachbuddah: Kids can be distracted ;)
[15:50] <beachbuddah> lol
[15:50] <bekks> xorrbit: "It isnt out yet".
[15:50] <sudormrf> llutz, it is incrontab.  incrontab is supposed to function similar to crontab, but if you have a suggestion about how to get this to work I would appreciate it! basically last night I created a new line in incrontab for calling that script but it wouldn't call the script.  was thinking of putting it on the same line as the rsync to have it call the script after the rsync completes
[15:51] <WiredSlash> hey guys
[15:51] <nekonyu> This is pretty exciting though. I've never hung out here on release day.
[15:51] <bekks> WiredSlash: No. It isnt out yet. :)
[15:51] <betabertus8899> !isitoutyet
[15:51] <WiredSlash> when is Ubuntu 14.04 coming
[15:52] <Pici> when it is done
[15:52] <WiredSlash> waiting for the big release
[15:52] <bekks> WiredSlash: Then be patient.
[15:52] <WiredSlash> It is release day today.
[15:52] <beachbuddah> lol, I was just on omgubuntu and the comments were complaining that the 17th is almost over in India...
[15:52] <llutz> sudormrf: put the  full commands in quotes "rsync .... ; /home/....." , it should work
[15:52] <bekks> WiredSlash: And the day is not over in 30s. So be patient.
[15:52] <WiredSlash> Yes im in India
[15:52] <Pici> !party
[15:53] <WiredSlash> Its gonna be 18th in another 3hrs in India
[15:53] <bekks> WiredSlash: Then be patient.
[15:53] <beachbuddah> I feel your paion WiredSlash - I stayed up until midnight London time - only 7 pm in nyc, but nothing happened, lol
[15:53] <beachbuddah> it will come when it comes
[15:53] <WiredSlash> its exciting guys :) :)
[15:53] <sudormrf> llutz, is the space after the end of the rsync line (before the semi colon) correct?
[15:53] <WiredSlash> heard good reviews about Ubuntu 14.04
[15:54] <WiredSlash> Its gonna be record pings in this IRC today :P
[15:54] <llutz> sudormrf: it shouldn't matter, makes it better readable
[15:54] <mikel6322> hey everyone
[15:54] <bekks> WiredSlash: No. It is annoying that people dont understand the meaning of "patience".
[15:54] <mikel6322> so 6 mintues to go right?
[15:54] <sudormrf> llutz, ok.  let me try it
[15:54] <WiredSlash> LOL
[15:54] <bekks> mikel6322: It will be ready when it's done.
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> WiredSlash: are you on the pre-release now?
[15:54] <WiredSlash> bekks : dude , hardcore ubuntu fans are impatient
[15:55] <karab44|2> So party is over for me
[15:55] <karab44|2> have been banned...
[15:55] <WiredSlash> Nope , read a review here >> http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr-review-solid-and-stable-but-no-big-changes-7000028437/
[15:55] <bekks> WiredSlash: No. Hardcore ubuntu fans dont even mention the release date because the are patient. Wannabes are impatient. IMGO.
[15:55] <Artemis3> the images have been done for about 12 hours, man what slowass method they use to mirror, they should torrent the things to the other servers :P
[15:55] <c2tarun> !isitoutyet
[15:55] <bekks> IMHO.
[15:55] <karab44|2> guys at least today let the people be dumb
[15:55] <sudormrf> hahaha
[15:56] <karab44|2> if I new who's banned me I would give that guy a bitch slap
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> karab44|2: if people actually took the time to read the topic, they'd know
[15:56] <zcheng3> well, I cannot wati. I will have to install 12.04 instead
[15:56] <beachbuddah> ty bekks, I wuz confused with that G
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> karab44|2: so it's not dumb, just ignorant
[15:56] <sudormrf> llutz, looks like that broke the rsync completely
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: is it a desktop OS?
[15:56] <mikel6322> because i asked a question that makes me impatient? GTFO
[15:56] <mikel6322> did u hear me complaining at all?
[15:57] <karab44|2> ActionParsnip: what do you mean? Today is party
[15:57] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, ubuntu server
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: bah
[15:57] <cloneG> hello I am running ubuntu 12.04 lts...how do I upgrade to ubuntu 14.04???
[15:57] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, lol...what? haha
[15:57] <mikel6322> google it cloneG
[15:57] <cloneG> I did
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> karab44|2: no, this channel is still support and always will be. #ubuntu-release-party is party
[15:57] <ice9> is it possible to use socks proxy with apt-get?
[15:57] <bekks> cloneG: Wait for 14.04, the update using do-release-upgrade
[15:57] <cloneG> mike16322 but with no results
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: there is grsync, a GUI for rsync
[15:57] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, the problem is incron
[15:58] <Artemis3> cloneG, tomorrow the update manager is going to show you a button to upgrade
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> ice9: if you set the proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf   it should work
[15:58] <karab44|2> ActionParsnip: What's wrong with you dude? I said I am banned on UBUNTU PARTY channel for being dumb (?)
[15:58] <cloneG> tomorrow? I thought it was planned for today!!
[15:58] <ovrflw0x> i installed windows fonts by copy/paste but still some fonts in browser look either crappy or small or both, how to fix this do i need infinality patch or something?
[15:58] <crimsondusk> karab44|2, then i guess you were banned from it for being dumb :p
[15:58] <ice9> ActionParsnip: what is the parameter name? also there isn't apt.conf file there is apt.conf.d/
[15:58] <Guest93072> karab44|2: /join #ubuntu-ops for that sort of thing. #ubuntu isn't a ban resolution channel
[15:58] <cr00k> worst party ever in the release party chan. It is moderated  :P
[15:58] <azuri5> !isitoutyet
[15:59] <Garcia98> I think that final release will be the same as daily release of 17th April
[15:59] <karab44|2> Guest93072: naturally I don't even want to go there.
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> ice9: Acquiire::http::proxy "http://whatever:port"    and so forth
[15:59] <sudormrf> llutz, suggestions?
[16:00] <AnonysmBG> how to config quassel IRC to use UTF-8 ?
[16:00] <gabe> still no news on the 14.04 LTS release?
[16:00] <bmxscott1993> https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntu14.04
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> cr00k: well yeah, helps keep the channel policy etc
[16:00] <cr00k> ActionParsnip: sure.
[16:01] <bekks> bmxscott1993: facebook is not an official ubuntu website.
[16:01] <cr00k> On the page it's marked as released though. Maybe that should be fixed
[16:01] <bekks> cr00k: Ask the author of that page to do so then.
[16:01] <clouder`grr> is there a way I can setup sudo with a drunk test?
[16:02] <bekks> clouder`grr: Sure. Remove the keyboard. :)
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> clouder`grr: set a harder password
[16:02] <aysorth> clouder`grr: I see you!
[16:02] <wisescribe7> How much longer before the new Ubuntu 14.04 is released?
[16:02] <sudormrf> LOLOLOLOL
[16:03] <bekks> wisescribe7: Until it is done.
[16:03] <karab44|2> Guys this guys is real asshole IdleOne: thanks asshole
[16:03] <clouder`grr> aysorth, hey! quit spying on me!
[16:03] <sudormrf> llutz, ok.  now it is working but it is spamming the hell out of my push notifications.  any way that I can have a script run only after the file transfer has completed with incron?
[16:03] <karab44|2> he bans people for no reason
[16:03] <bekks> karab44|2: He had very good reasons to ban you.
[16:03] <karab44|2> obviously
[16:03] <bekks> karab44|2: Thats why I set you on ignore too, because of your ignorance.
[16:03] <WiredSlash> Guys, how will I know that Ubuntu 14.04 has launched , when it is launched ??
[16:04] <bekks> WiredSlash: You will know it when you read the release announcement.
[16:04] <sudormrf> LOL that one action gave me 16 notifications instead of 1 LOLOL
[16:04] <operator1> can someone plz help me setup a static ip in ubuntu from behind my netgear 7550 router? im trying hard to get a server online and allow traffic through. Perhaps some assistance in killing the NAT thing?
[16:04] <WiredSlash> bekks: where is it ?
[16:04] <wisescribe7> How do I fix slow typing in web browsers?
[16:04] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, any advice?  maybe a while loop that tells the program to sleep if rsync is running?
[16:04] <bekks> WiredSlash: On the official ubuntu website.
[16:05] <WiredSlash> bekks: do ubuntu has any standard release time in UTC ??
[16:05] <karab44|2> bekks: I set on you ignore too so we're successfully ignoring each other
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: makes sense. Worth a punt :)
[16:05] <karab44|2> right
[16:05] <bekks> WiredSlash: basically thats not important.
[16:05] <ovrflw0x> i installed windows fonts by copy/paste but still some fonts in browser look either crappy or small or both, how to fix this do i need infinality patch or something?
[16:05] <compdoc> operator1, you can easily set the ip address, but if you get it wrong, the system wont be easy to fix remotely
[16:05] <bmxscott1993> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:05] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, would you mind looking at the script after I write it?
[16:05] <daftykins> use the torrents from bmxscott1993's link
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> ovrflw0x: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> ovrflw0x: have you tried different browsers?
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: sure
[16:06] <dv81> !isitoutyet
[16:06] <intagger> What if I installed Beta 2 how can I update to the release version? sudo aptitute update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade?
[16:06] <ovrflw0x> ActionParsnip: i use FF
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> ovrflw0x: have you tried other browsers?
[16:06] <bekks> intagger: Just be patient.
[16:06] <Deep6> guys, is there a reason for 14.04 not being available yet? (probably not the first time anyones asked this I know)
[16:06] <bekks> Deep6: Yes. It isnt released yet.
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> Deep6: its not ready.....
[16:06] <ovrflw0x> i only use FF
[16:07] <ikonia> Deep6: just takes time to push out a world wild release, hang in there
[16:07] <dv81> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:07] <dv81> g0g0g0g
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> ovrflw0x: then try a different one, see if the issue is only in firefox
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> ovrflw0x: too obvious?
[16:07] <operator1> compdoc: Im trying to run opensim simulator... been trying 2 weeks now and its online and visible... but i cant get the traffic through to me.. one way only :( ive opened the ports as needed and im using my provided dyn IP from att... who will refuse to offer any config support without forcing me into 2 yerars contact.. lol that
[16:07] <llutz> sudormrf: use "IN_CLOSE_WRITE,IN_CREATE,IN_DELETE" not  IN_MODIFY
[16:07] <Deep6> ikonia: is the gold  release officially done and it's just a distro issue or are they still issues
[16:08] <Deep6> er there still issues
[16:08] <sudormrf> llutz, ok.
[16:08] <mikel6322> yay its out
[16:08] <compdoc> operator1, it uses dhcp now?
[16:08] <slimjimflim> ubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso              17-Apr-2014 01:37  970M  Desktop image for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download)
[16:08] <ikonia> Deep6: no idea, just hang in there
[16:08] <operator1> compdoc: yes
[16:08] <slimjimflim> yay
[16:08] <ikonia> slimjimflim: it's not official - don't use anything until it's official and confirmed mirrored correctly
[16:08] <clouder`grr> removing the keyboard won't work. I just plug it back in. ActionParsnip, harder password doesn't work once my muscle memory kicks in
[16:08] <compdoc> operator1, are you sure you can set the address to whatever you want?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> clouder`grr: then surely any 'drunk test' is mooted by the same things.....
[16:09] <operator1> compdoc: idk... im lost now... im new to the net setup stuff as ive never required it
[16:09] <sudormrf> llutz, didn't get as many, only got 7 this time
[16:10] <dovah> ikonia, when its official they will announce it it here
[16:10] <dovah> ?
[16:10] <cedric__> hi
[16:10] <ikonia> dovah: correct, and many other mediums
[16:10] <sudormrf> llutz, how about only using IN_CLOSE_WRITE?
[16:10] <dovah> ok ikonia
[16:10] <JoeRess> is there a delay?
[16:10] <operator1> compdoc: im issued the dynamic ip.. and i would like to use that address to serve if at all possible... i would simply update the configuration daily and restart my software serving the program
[16:10] <Havenstance2> ikonia, pastebin.ubuntu.com right?
[16:10] <compdoc> operator1, well, I have to say, dhcp is usually better.
[16:10] <kupo_> I am feeling nice righ tnow and have some tax money. Shall I donate to ubuntu
[16:10] <llutz> sudormrf: try it ;)
[16:11] <ikonia> Havenstance2: sounds good
[16:11] <dovah> ikonia, i have the beta 2 installed here should i reinstall i dont mind reinstalling or will an update from update manager be all i need
[16:11] <dovah> ?
[16:11] <ikonia> dovah: both work fine
[16:11] <kupo_> update prob
[16:11] <Havenstance2> k i'm gonna type this all up and let you see it :)
[16:11] <dovah> ok ikonia
[16:11] <operator1> compdoc: agrees... but this particular issue requires a static i think... idk really
[16:11] <sudormrf> llutz, nope, still got the same thing.  I think adding a while loop to the script to sleep it while rsync is running will probably fix the issue.
[16:11] <mikel6322> ur saying this isnt valid http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:11] <mikel6322> doesnt say beta anymore
[16:11] <JoeRess> it won't be the same as beta 2 because of Ubuntu One
[16:11] <cedric__> is there any torrent for the final release 14.04 ?
[16:11] <ikonia> mikel6322: correct
[16:12] <Deep6> mikel6322: yah I had the same question
[16:12] <mikel6322> doesnt say beta anymore?
[16:12] <ikonia> cedric__: there will be when it's released
[16:12] <Deep6> it looks like a release
[16:12] <ikonia> it's not released
[16:12] <mikel6322> then what is it
[16:12] <ikonia> or you'd see an annoucment as I told you earlier
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> dovah: you will upgrade seamlessly, the sources of packages for both are identical
[16:12] <kupo_> does 14.04 minimal come out as well. or do you just upgrate the original
[16:12] <Guest93072> mikel6322: mirror seeding of a potential release
[16:12] <cedric__> ikonia : thx so I wait
[16:12] <Guest93072> mikel6322: the release team is still hard at work dealing with potential changes
[16:12] <Deep6> is it anticipated that the desktop iso will be  bigger than a cdrom?
[16:13] <dovah> ok thank you ActionParsnip
[16:13] <kupo_> probably deep. others are i believe
[16:13] <Guest93072> Deep6: yes, as has been the case for a while now, as I understand it
[16:13] <Krieg> geez, so many anxious people
[16:13] <Gl4di4t0r> Today is april 17 where the bleep is Ubuntu 14.04 ??
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Gl4di4t0r: its on the way....
[16:13] <ikonia> Gl4di4t0r: it's coming, hang in
[16:13] <Havenstance2> ikonia, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7269034/
[16:14] <Deep6> Trusty isn't so trusty...the bloody Tahr can't even show up on time :P
[16:14] <mikel6322> they never said a time deep
[16:14] <mikel6322> just the day
[16:14] <WiredSlash> Guys , ubuntu released ?
[16:14] <ikonia> Havenstance2: so are you getting those emails ?
[16:14] <Guest93072> WiredSlash: no
[16:14] <Anonymous2137> where is my lubuntu ;_;
[16:14] <cpined> good morning.  Could someone please help me, I can no longer access the internet using names like cnn.com...I need to use the ip address.
[16:14] <cpined> I'm using unbuntu 13.04
[16:15] <Havenstance2> ikonia, yes, I just want to make it automatically email to notify when the status changes
[16:15] <Deep6> mikel6322: I don't care...do you realize how much I pay for this....oh wait....
[16:15] <Anonymous2137> cpined: dnses
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> You do realise that "is it released is about Trusty and is to be discussed in #ubuntu+1"
[16:15] <mikel6322> lmao Deep
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> Its almost like nobody is reading the topic....
[16:15] <Havenstance2> otherwise the dumb solution is write a script that runs that command ever 4-8 hrs but I get the test message with it. I'd rather just have MDADM send one when the status changes
[16:15] <ikonia> Havenstance2: ahhh I see
[16:16] <Havenstance2> I'm not the best with *nix, but lets just say this server is teaching me alot about it :) I'm at least comfortable with VI and the Terminal screen now :)
[16:16] <Havenstance2> btw its server 13.10
[16:16] <operator1> :)
[16:16] <frederick> hi
[16:16] <tarunno> Guys, I am getting http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce offline. Is there any other tracker available?
[16:17] <frederick> i love Ubuntu 14.04 is very fast
[16:17] <dv81> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:17] <cpined> 2137: that is what I figured....but I don't know how to change that.
[16:17] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, I am thinking of this: while pgrep rsync > /dev/null; do sleep 1; done
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> Havenstance2: being good with vi will help you a lot
[16:17] <cedric__> dv81 : thx !!!
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: sounds decent
[16:17] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, ok, going to try it.
[16:18] <Havenstance2> ActionParsnip, I actually use VIM just because I like the colors to help me keep track of changes but basically the same thing
[16:18] <frederick> canonical must be release ubuntu with a big world arty
[16:18] <mikel6322> if i install 14.04 over 13.10 will it replace the efi i have for 13.10 or just add another one
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> mikel6322: 14.04 is offtopic here
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> mikel6322: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Trusty support please
[16:19] <mikel6322> sorry action was onthe wrong tab
[16:19] <operator1> compdoc: basically what im trying to acheive is to redirect incoming traffic on port 9000-9051 to my internal IP via the dynamic external IP provided by my ISP.. but is not working so well
[16:19] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, that did it!
[16:19] <sudormrf> :D
[16:19] <sudormrf> SWEEET
[16:19] <sudormrf> this is awesome
[16:19] <NK_> how come 14.04 is off support here
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: nice fix mate, bit of a hack but if it works then screw it
[16:19] <bmxscott1993> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:20] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, agree and agree.
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: backup your script to dropbox ;)
[16:20] <NK_> isn't it release version, and this the officiel channel
[16:20] <compdoc> operator1, port forwarding has to be done on the router. do they allow you to set that?
[16:20] <trijntje> bmxscott1993: plz don't do that. The high traffick on the server is already interfering with the mirror syncing, and is delaying the release
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> NK_: see topic
[16:20] <NK_> I see that
[16:20] <Guest93072> NK_: because 14.04 hasn't been released yet
[16:20] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, don't follow :P
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: make a copy, so if you need it again you can restore easily
[16:21] <gareppa> hackernews says it has been released
[16:21] <dv81> NK_: Guest93072: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:21] <operator1> compdoc: yes but im not sure what im doing in there... i think its right.. but i have no prior knowledge in sestting it up
[16:21] <NK_> Guest93072: look like it is according to a previous link
[16:21] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, oh, the script is in a safe place :D
[16:21] <sudormrf> but backups are always prudent
[16:21] <gareppa> always check md5 after download
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> sudormrf: as long as there is a duplicate copy elsewhere then fine
[16:21] <kupo_> isnt ubuntu server a good way to install minimal
[16:21] <Guest93072> NK_: no, it isn't.
[16:21] <compdoc> operator1, its easy enough to test using some simple port and service like http or ssh
[16:21] <dv81> kupo_: netboot is a good way
[16:22] <Guest93072> NK_: pre-release mirror syncing of unofficial ISOs != official release
[16:22] <sudormrf> ActionParsnip, agree :)
[16:22] <dv81> kupo_: server will install server kernel etc.
[16:22] <operator1> compdoc: ok....
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> NK_: until the topic changes, consider it NOT released. Its very simple
[16:22] <operator1> compdoc: 192
[16:22] <compdoc> what is 192?
[16:22] <dv81> ActionParsnip: its so out lol
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> dv81: not yet
[16:23] <andrewrk> 14.04 \o/
[16:23] <dv81> ActionParsnip: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:23] <dv81> ActionParsnip: check the times
[16:23] <operator1> compdoc: 192.168.xxx.xxx gives positive result.... but... 77.XXX.XXX.106 (ext ip) fails  (both tests perf on port 9000)
[16:23] <NK_> that what i was going to say
[16:23] <NK_> Guest93072: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ , it doesn't look like pre-release mirror sync of unofficial isos
[16:23] <operator1> compdoc: so its not llowing traffic through the router (i think)
[16:23] <NK_> is it ?
[16:24] <Guest93072> NK_: yes
[16:24] <gareppa> lol i will never remember these codenames, i'll just use numbers
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> dv81: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> dv81: I know which I trust, ok
[16:24] <NK_> Guest93072: all right, my mistake then
[16:24] <dv81> ActionParsnip:
[16:24] <dv81> lol
[16:24] <Guest75026> is 14.04 out?
[16:24] <gareppa> yes
[16:24] <trijntje> !isitout
[16:24] <dv81> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ is the primary mirror
[16:24] <operator1> compdoc: many have been saying to me that this is a common problem and that it is directly related to the NAT loopback... but again im lost
[16:24] <trijntje> dv81: plz don't do that. The high traffick on the server is already interfering with the mirror syncing, and is delaying the release
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> dv81: again. When  the topic changes in here, it is out. You can believe any site you want but people in the know wiull update the page and this channel
[16:25] <saju_m> hi friends,
[16:25] <gareppa> it's out, they jsut have to announce
[16:25] <dv81> trijntje: lul
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> gareppa: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/   its not
[16:25] <SKELET0R> its out for lubuntu
[16:25] <gareppa> they just have to update the homepage lol
[16:25] <compdoc> operator1, if those ports arent open or forwarded, they have to do that for you, unless they have some way for you to do it. doesnt sound like it
[16:25] <NK_> gareppa: pro tip : codename are base on the alphabet
[16:25] <NK_> based*
[16:26] <saju_m> I am getting following error while trying to install libvirt1.2
[16:26] <saju_m> configure: error: You must install device-mapper-devel/libdevmapper >= 1.0.0 to compile libvirt
[16:26] <frederick> somebody try install the boot animation of ubuntu created by dell ?
[16:26] <NK_> i'll consider it release when http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release is updated =)
[16:27] <saju_m> here is what i am following to install libvirt 1.2 https://github.com/stackforge/inception/blob/master/bin/pre_install_libvirt.sh
[16:27] <Cheekio> looks pretty final to me: http://imgur.com/8AteaID
[16:27] <dv81> ActionParsnip: check the url when you eventually get your copy ;P
[16:27] <mikel6322> Why even put up a prerelease if they are going to put the official soon...just leave the beta up there
[16:28] <operator1> compdoc: i am able to... i have forwarded (or attempted to do so) the following ports via the router software(192.168.1.254)::: 8001-8006,9000,9051. but i dont understand what is blocking the internet traffic and dropping all incoming paclkets
[16:28] <JimmyNeutron> Must be a last minute rush to push 14.04 today
[16:28] <JimmyNeutron> i was expecting to see a countdown like they did before
[16:28] <saju_m> i tried sudo apt-get install libdevmapper
[16:28] <saju_m> http://paste.openstack.org/show/76146/
[16:28] <San001> fix broken packages , how to fix pls  -  tks
[16:28] <worrow> time for 14.04
[16:29] <worrow> Any idea as to an estimated release time? it's 1230pm here
[16:29] <dv81> worrow: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:29] <bekks> worrow: Until it's ready.
[16:29] <Cheekio> Torrents are up : http://imgur.com/8AteaID
[16:29] <c2tarun> worrow, no one has any idea, it'll be announced soon
[16:29] <dv81> worrow: get the torrent though
[16:30] <Sonikk> worrow, install beta2 and update later?
[16:30] <worrow> Beta 2 update made my graphics messed.
[16:30] <worrow> Waiting for a finished release.
[16:31] <ABC> It's 22:15 here. Will I be able to see it today?
[16:31] <worrow> I did download the torrent and waiting to see when an official release link comes along.
[16:31] <andrewrk> worrow, try installing a different driver from the list and then re-installing your preferred one
[16:31] <JonnyNomad> releases.ubuntu.com/14.04 is showing the final images
[16:31] <JonnyNomad> not the betas
[16:31] <ikonia> JonnyNomad: no it's not
[16:31] <dv81> JonnyNomad: yep
[16:31] <JonnyNomad> ikonia: it is for me
[16:31] <Humbedooh> it is
[16:31] <dv81> it deffo is
[16:31] <ikonia> it's showing file names that have not been confirmed synced, md5, correct keys
[16:32] <ikonia> hence why you need to wait for the official release to show it's been fully mirrored sucessfully
[16:32] <mikel6322> oooh gotcha
[16:32] <andrewrk> or you could just use update-manager to upgrade.
[16:32] <worrow> true the link your sent me doesn't reference any beta
[16:32] <dv81> ikonia: what does that have to do with it?
[16:32] <ikonia> dv81: what does what have to do with it ?
[16:32] <dv81> ikonia: whether it's mirrored or not
[16:32] <dhiedeaf> helo... when ubuntu 14.04 final release?
[16:32] <SKELET0R> has anyone installed it yet?
[16:33] <andrewrk> dhiedeaf, now.
[16:33] <Wh4tTheFvk> Naked picture of my whore ex-girlfriend for you: http://imagetwist.com/5r5uw4eil9op/44679101_tou9jwje2gxy.jpg
[16:33] <dv81> dhiedeaf: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:33] <dhiedeaf> waaa
[16:33]  * shirox gives channel operator status to ikonia
[16:33] <dhiedeaf> thanks bro
[16:33] <AgentDrTran_> wat
[16:34] <worrow> I'm downloading the image currently on site. I will be back on later and let you know if it is the official image
[16:34] <ikonia> worrow: please don't
[16:34] <dusf123_> !isitoutyet
[16:34] <worrow> decent d/l speed @ 6MB/S
[16:34] <ikonia> worrow: we don't care if you think it's official or not - what matters is when the release team confirm it's official
[16:34] <gareppa> ok, they didn't confirm but iso is out there
[16:34] <SKELET0R> what matters is if it melts your computer or not
[16:35] <worrow> ikonia, you don't have the right to tell me what to reference on here. Human rights dictates I can do so. I am not breaking any rules here.
[16:35] <trijntje> worrow: plz stop the download, its only slowing down the server and delaying the release
[16:35] <ikonia> worrow: don't talk nonsense about human rights, and don't give unconfirmed information out
[16:35] <worrow> trijntje, too late it is done downloading
[16:35] <Sk1d> nice trol
[16:35] <ikonia> this is the only warning I'll give you
[16:36] <gareppa> i downloaded it yesterday
[16:37] <operator1> :)
[16:37] <worrow> ikonia, In the end your opinion does not make any difference to me either. the simple fact that you say you don't care about my opinion leads me to dislike you and your mannerisms. If you don't wish to read what I have to say, simply block me.
[16:37] <ikonia> worrow: done
[16:37] <mikel6322> is there noone from carnical that can shed some light on this
[16:37] <andrelcmarinho> So, what you think about the new Trusty Tahr Ubuntu?
[16:37] <ikonia> mikel6322: shed light on what ?
[16:37] <mikel6322> to make people like worrow stop talking
[16:37] <Gl4di4t0r> ikonia: is there a torrent yet?
[16:37] <gareppa> IT'S HAPPENING!!!!
[16:37] <ikonia> mikel6322: I've just told you the situation
[16:38] <ikonia> just to confirm - there will be an official annocument when it's ready for download
[16:38] <ikonia> Gl4di4t0r: no, not until the official release
[16:38] <compdoc> gareppa, what?
[16:38] <WiredSlash> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Released !!!!
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> WiredSlash: not yet
[16:38] <fa7ad> what? When?
[16:38] <compdoc> well, good
[16:38] <c2tarun> !isitoutyet
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> fa7ad: soon
[16:38] <gareppa> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7604177
[16:38] <Gl4di4t0r> WiredSlash: link or it didn't happen :)
[16:39] <andrelcmarinho> quit
[16:39] <fa7ad> WiredLash: Link
[16:39] <WiredSlash> Download 14.04 here >>> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:39] <ikonia> worrow: no
[16:39] <shirox> wow, you guys needs some patience :P
[16:39] <ikonia> worrow: oops, sory not you
[16:39] <luhpur> ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso   no beta2 it's it?
[16:39] <shirox> need*
[16:39] <ikonia> WiredSlash: no, do not post unofficial links
[16:39] <WiredSlash> ikonia: it is official link
[16:40] <ikonia> WiredSlash: no - it's not
[16:40] <WiredSlash> ikonia:  It is Ubuntu website releases page..
[16:40] <gareppa> lol ... ubuntu.com unofficial link
[16:40] <ikonia> WiredSlash: it is not confirmed complete and ready for release
[16:40] <operator1> can anyone help with determining my ability to utilize a 64 bit operating system upon the Intel Pentium B690 Dual? from my understanding this architecture had builtin support for 64 bit technologies.. but i am uncertain.. if is possible.. i would Loooove to take full advantage of that power :D. ty in adv
[16:40] <ikonia> hence unofficial
[16:40] <d[]> :O
[16:40] <trijntje> WiredSlash: nope, those are just pre-release images for people who want to test it
[16:40] <ikonia> there will be an official annoucement when it's ready for download
[16:40] <mikel6322> ikonia is from Canonical
[16:40] <mikel6322> he knows
[16:40] <ikonia> mikel6322: no, I'm not from canonical
[16:40] <gareppa> oh, is he?
[16:40] <ikonia> just to be clear
[16:40] <operator1> lol
[16:40] <gareppa> lol
[16:40] <WiredSlash> ikonia: then when will it officially launch ??
[16:40] <fa7ad> nope, ubuntu Download page says. 13.10 "Ubuntu 13.10 gives you all the latest features, while Ubuntu 12.04 LTS comes with extended support."
[16:41] <ikonia> WiredSlash: some point today
[16:41] <bad63r> so ubuntu is not rdy for download o.O?
[16:41] <trijntje> bad63r: 14.04 has not been released yet, no
[16:41] <gareppa> they always update the homepage at last when everything is ready, but i always downloaded it before SINCE YEARS
[16:41] <Gl4di4t0r> operator1: Pentium B690
[16:41] <blez> this happens everytime
[16:41] <kdkk> hi, i am having problem removing the amd catalyst drivers.
[16:41] <ActionParsnip> operator1: not a B960?
[16:41] <operator1> final beta has tho
[16:41] <WiredSlash> ikonia:  You guys gonna wait for the web developers of Canonical to update their website ?
[16:41] <Gl4di4t0r> operator1: http://ark.intel.com/products/59836/Intel-Pentium-Processor-B960-2M-Cache-2_20-GHz
[16:41] <ikonia> WiredSlash: yes
[16:41] <ikonia> WiredSlash: and make the official annoucement on other mediums
[16:42] <trijntje> gareppa: what does that even mean? I've been using 14.04 for almost 6 months, but that doesn't mean it was released six months ago
[16:42] <WiredSlash> The ISO are uploaded , now Ubuntu website will go down for a moment and they paste the links
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> operator1: http://ark.intel.com/products/59836/Intel-Pentium-Processor-B960-2M-Cache-2_20-GHz
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> operator1: Instruction Set 64-bit
[16:42] <operator1> yes my apologies lol... b960
[16:42] <d[]> torrent links?
[16:42] <gareppa> WiredSlash:yep
[16:42] <kdkk> I already executed  apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx_* fglrx-amdcccle* this command
[16:42] <ikonia> WiredSlash: sorry no, you don't know the state of those ISO's or what's going on hence "wait for the annoucement"
[16:42] <operator1> awesome ^^
[16:42] <fa7ad> WiredLash: It is under developement
[16:42] <kdkk> but it didn't remove the previous drivesr completely
[16:42] <operator1> omg!! ive wasted my life haha... ok ty ^^ now downloading new life
[16:42] <xtbman> I typed ssfhs user@host:/ /mnt/ssh, and it seemed like a success. When I started searching the mounted remote directory, I realized I was searching my localhost. Why would the mount point to my local drive?
[16:42] <WiredSlash> ikonia: Ok , let me know about the official launch
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> operator1: all i did was search the web....
[16:42] <operator1> yes ty
[16:42] <gareppa> fa7ad:IT'S DEVELOPING!!!!
[16:43] <ikonia> WiredSlash: there will be an annoucement in channel (you'll also see the topic change)
[16:43] <bmxscott1993> opertor if it 64bit it will let you install the 64bit ver if not it will not let you in stall it iv done it on my 32bit laptop and my 3 64bit computer
[16:43] <fa7ad> WiredLash: sure, we waited for a while now. one more day isnt much diff.
[16:44] <operator1> brb
[16:45] <bad63r> so can some1 tell me then when ubuntu will be rdy for download? and what is this link http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[16:45] <ikonia> bad63r: you'll see the annoucement in the channel
[16:45] <gareppa> it already is ready to download
[16:45] <shirox> yay, 14.04 is showing up on my update manager :)
[16:45] <ikonia> bad63r: or #ubuntu-release-party
[16:46] <Lukas1321> so stange: the ubuntu 14.04 download is not available from the official site but i can download it from the FTP
[16:46] <shirox> downloading now, but it's slow.
[16:46] <bad63r> ikonia, kk ty
[16:46] <ikonia> shirox: you are not downloading the official release.
[16:46] <shirox> Lukas1321: it's in the update manager, download it from there instead.
[16:46] <shirox> ikonia: I was kidding :P
[16:46] <ikonia> then stop it
[16:46] <ikonia> and stop telling people to downlaod it
[16:46] <andrew> will there be a torrent available?
[16:46] <ikonia> I won't warn you again
[16:47] <ikonia> andrew: yes, there will
[16:47] <Gl4di4t0r> Wow the 14-04 torrent is spreading like a wildfire!
[16:47] <islandmonkey> shirox: Joking people around online never works
[16:47] <bad63r> so can we expect ubuntu LTS  today?
[16:47] <ikonia> bad63r: yes
[16:47] <fa7ad> and i quote: "ubottu: no, not yet, stay off the servers and wait for the announcement"
[16:47] <mheinke> bad63r, ubuntu is ready for download right now. 13.10, 13.04, 12.04
[16:47] <mheinke> :)
[16:47] <fa7ad> from the release party channel
[16:48] <andrew> ikonia, thanks
[16:48] <junka> was not ubuntu to switch to chromium?
[16:48] <shirox> so.. is the 14.04 awesome or just... "oh.. well"?
[16:48] <Gl4di4t0r> I'm downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:48] <islandmonkey> junka: No
[16:48] <fa7ad> junka: what??
[16:48] <ActionParsnip> junka: you could say that about any 2 applications...
[16:48] <mheinke> shirox, i really like 14.04 so far
[16:48] <bmxscott1993> do-release-upgrade in terminal to see if it release
[16:49] <ikonia> All - I have muted the channel to make one point very clear to you
[16:49] <ikonia> the 14.04 release is NOT out yet
[16:49] <ikonia> the servers are being populated and you are NOT helping posting unofficial links
[16:49] <ikonia> wait for the release - do not push information onto people until an official annocement
[16:50] <ikonia> people giving out bad information will be muted/banned - you are causing a problem, not helping giving out bad info
[16:50] <ikonia> I'll put the channel back to unmuted in a moment once you've had time to take that in
[16:50] <qengho> junka: Not yet, chromium not default.  We don't like to change unnecessary things from LTS-1 to LTS.
[16:50] <shirox> yeah, you guys should totally listen to ikonia >:(. Shame on you all.
[16:50] <Briuie> they could release the torrent plus the SHA
[16:50] <d[]> :O
[16:50] <SKELET0R> :O
[16:50] <shirox> :O
[16:51] <Oyester14> Hello everyone, may I know what is an effective way to load windows programs in linux? Some say wine, but it is ineffective in many ways
[16:51] <SKELET0R> virtualbox
[16:51] <junka> i like firefox :<
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> Briuie: how, when its not released...
[16:51] <shirox> ikonia: isn't it funny how people in here behaves like kids?
[16:51] <d[]> IS THERE AN ECO ON THIS CHANNEL?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> Oyester14: what program are you trying to load?
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> Oyester14: could check cedega or crossover linux
[16:51] <qengho> Oyester14: There is no better way than Wine.
[16:51] <mheinke> Oyester14, wine is pretty effective. depends on what your trying to do
[16:51] <fa7ad> ikonia: yep, #ubuntu-release-party guys also mentioned it not being released. Thanks for sharing here :)
[16:51] <mheinke> and how good you are at configuring it
[16:51] <Briuie> ActionParsnip, but they are uploading the final all over the world already
[16:52] <dusf123_> !isitoutyet
[16:52] <Oyester14> Virtual box? Is there a heavy system requirement to run a virtual environment inside linux?
[16:52] <JoeRess> Ubuntu One isn't the final release (obviously) so it definitely differes from the betas
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> Oyester14: remember that you are trying to run an application for a completely different (and proprietary) OS, so not all applications wil run
[16:52] <shirox> Oyester14: no, not really.
[16:52] <SKELET0R> yes its ineffective hence why people dual boot from windows to linux
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> Oyester14: some will not even install
[16:52] <Slart> Oyester14: there's wine.. and then you can use a virtual machine
[16:52] <shirox> Oyester14: but your CPU and Mobo better support virtualization
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> Oyester14: cedega and crossover also have appdbs just like Wine
[16:52] <d[]> is it true its using 3.15 kernel release?
[16:52] <mheinke> Oyester14, whats the application you are trying to run? have you looked at the wine DB to figure out what status its in?
[16:52] <SKELET0R> imo the best answer is to just get 2 computers
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> shirox: all CPUs support virtualization, just that all dont support 64bit guests
[16:53] <fa7ad> Oyester14: almost any pc can run Virtualbox. but a powerful CPU really helps :)
[16:53] <mikel6322> dualboot 8.1 and ubuntu works
[16:53] <ActionParsnip> shirox: there is a LOT of difference
[16:53] <SchrodingersScat> SKELET0R: or 2 hdd
[16:53] <SKELET0R> laptop and desktop, ubuntu and windows boom done
[16:53] <Oyester14> I'm trying to run a self-coded flash media
[16:53] <shirox> ActionParsnip: not all CPUs support it (mine doesn't, it's old). It doesn't do virtualization, but emulation rather.
[16:53] <Slart> Oyester14: don't expect to be able to run windows games with full performance though.. but regular office stuff works nicely in a vm
[16:53] <Oyester14> targetted for windows audience
[16:54] <SKELET0R> virtualbox
[16:54] <mheinke> Oyester14, so your trying to test your own softwarE?
[16:54] <MASBRO> seems to errors when making an opensuse liveusb
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> shirox: ok unless you have a truely ancient system then yes. But otherwise you'll be fine
[16:54] <d[]> i need to replace my XP box
[16:54] <Oyester14> yes mheinke
[16:54] <mheinke> Oyester14, use a virtual machine.
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> d[]: install Ubuntu
[16:54] <mheinke> or have a windows dev box Oyester14
[16:54] <bad63r> i don't know why everyone saying that ubuntu 14.04 is here and ur saing its not :S look at OMG ubuntu first sentence http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/ubuntu-14-04-download-review
[16:54] <d[]> but programs dont run
[16:54] <fa7ad> d[]: welcome to Linux. pick your distro. we like Ubuntu :)
[16:54] <Oyester14> any good suggestions for a decent virtual machine?
[16:54] <Havenstance2> ikonia, i fixed it, it appears mdadm starts in monitor mode by default so when i change the email config file I have to reboot the system or restart mdadm in monitoring mode in order to see the change.
[16:54] <bad63r> im confused
[16:54] <fa7ad> d[]: try Wine
[16:55] <mheinke> Oyester14, virtualbox is great, vmware is amazing...
[16:55] <ikonia> Havenstance2: that's useful to know !
[16:55] <shirox> bad63r: that
[16:55] <Slart> Oyester14: virtualbox is nice
[16:55] <d[]> i have this ansering machine program will it work on ubuntu?
[16:55] <peij> Hello again. I'm back on my ubuntu this time, still with my sound issue. Could someone help me please ?
[16:55] <shirox> bad63r: that's the beta release or something.. some unofficial undebugged version or whatever.
[16:55] <Oyester14> okay thank you all for kind suggestions
[16:55] <mheinke> Oyester14, i believe windows even offers windows virtualmachines for developers for download
[16:55] <Havenstance2> d[], what program?
[16:55] <xtbman> has anyone had a problem where sshfs creates a mount that points to the local drive rather than the remote one?
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> d[]: you can check the wine appdb for compatibility, or find an opensource equivelant
[16:56] <mikel6322> no need to buy another machine
[16:56] <SKELET0R> yeah you install windows for free for 90 days or something for testing purposes, then reload it
[16:56] <aysorth> xtbman: yes, for me that was /etc/hosts misconfiguration
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> xtbman: all mounts will point to the local file system somewhere, that is how mounting works
[16:56] <xtbman> aysorth was it misconfig on the server or the local computer?
[16:56] <Oyester14> by the way, are there any flash scripters here?
[16:56] <aysorth> xtbman: local
[16:57] <mheinke> Oyester14, flash is dead lol...
[16:57] <d[]> call clerk
[16:57] <xtbman> aysorth: ok thanks
[16:57] <Oyester14> not really, it's really easy and effective....
[16:57] <Oyester14> I don't know why people are stopping the usage
[16:57] <d[]> http://www.callclerk.com
[16:57] <ActionParsnip> d[]: did you check the wine appdb?
[16:57] <xenny> I just performed do-release-upgrade -d  and the upgradation began. Will I get the stable version now or not?
[16:57] <mheinke> Oyester14, because its heavy, slow, and a poorly written language (actionscript)
[16:58] <xenny> Or is it still the Beta version that I'm downloading?
[16:58] <d[]> its using my winmodem
[16:58] <mheinke> Oyester14, and anything you can do with flash can be done with html, css, and JS (i prefer angularJS)
[16:58] <Oyester14> what are people using now-a-days then?
[16:58] <Oyester14> ah...the modern web technologies
[16:58] <fa7ad> xenny: you might but that program is damn slow
[16:58] <xtbman> aysorth: do you remember what you put into hosts? All my has is aysorth do you remember what you put into hosts? All mine has is 127.0.1.1       chrubuntu
[16:59] <xtbman> aysorth: sorry, copy problem
[16:59] <mheinke> Oyester14, yep
[16:59] <Oyester14> okay anyway thank you for support mheinke have a good day
[16:59] <mheinke> Oyester14, anytime
[17:00] <xtbman> aysorth: my hosts has one line that says 127.0.1.1 chrubuntu. What did you add to your hosts to make sshfs work?
[17:00] <aysorth> xtbman: the essentials are 127.0.0.1 hostname and ::1 hostname
[17:00] <SKELET0R> flash is alive and well, theres libraries that convert flash animation and actionscript to html5
[17:00] <xtbman> aysorth:  ok
[17:00] <aysorth> I didn't add anything, more, I removed whatever I added before :D
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> SKELET0R: or use chrome with pepperflash :)
[17:01] <graingert> ActionParsnip: chrome with pepperflash is the best +1 ubuntu 14.04
[17:01] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:01] <Edir> hi
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> graingert: just convenient... works well imho
[17:01] <graingert> woprandi: oh it's today?
[17:02] <graingert> ActionParsnip: chromium*
[17:02] <graingert> ActionParsnip: also the way the package works in a genies feat of legal engineering
[17:02] <norbique> hi! Any news of the 14.04 release?
[17:02] <Edir> The link for 14.04 isnt there but if you go to browse past releases, all the iso's are there
[17:02] <graingert> genius**
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> graingert: how do you mean?
[17:02] <norbique> Beta ISOs' I've seen
[17:03] <fa7ad> norbique: not officially, not yet
[17:03] <Edir> there's official releases there now
[17:03] <fa7ad> !isitoutyet
[17:03] <norbique> fa7ad: thank you
[17:03] <Edir> but not linked to
[17:03] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:03] <norbique> it's 17th right?
[17:03] <graingert> ActionParsnip: pepperflashplugin-nonfree downloads chrome, extracts the package as a zip and grabs out the pepper flash plugin file
[17:03] <Edir> !countdown
[17:03] <norbique> till midnight
[17:03] <graingert> ActionParsnip: then checks it against a hash
[17:03] <JonnyNomad> Maybe someone should put something in the topic about waiting until the official announcement.
[17:04] <fa7ad> norbique: it will be done within today, hold your breath
[17:04] <graingert> ActionParsnip: legal engineering that is
[17:04] <streulma> !isitout
[17:04] <fa7ad> JonnyNomad, ikonia did. he muted the channel to announce it
[17:05] <Edir> the final files are there - theyy just haven't updated the links on the website or sent the announcement yet
[17:05] <JonnyNomad> fa7ad: sorry, guess I missed that.
[17:05] <Fox^> hmm. 12.04 is out. I have been on arch for a while, can someone tell me what's new?
[17:05] <Fox^> *14.04
[17:05] <xtbman> aysorth: that worked. Thanks
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> graingert: oh so violates the licensing...real nice
[17:05] <aysorth> xtbman: np
[17:05] <graingert> ActionParsnip: no it doesn't violate the licensing that's the point
[17:05] <aysorth> xtbman: I'll send you the bill :P
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> graingert: I grab the deb, then install google-chrome. Works great. No messing around
[17:05] <xtbman> lol
[17:05] <Edir> new stuff includes!
[17:06] <Huvuntu> does ubuntu and kubuntu come out at the same time?
[17:06] <Edir> live window updating
[17:06] <Edir> nop
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> Huvuntu: yes
[17:06] <Edir> no
[17:06] <graingert> ActionParsnip: sudo apt-get install chromium pepperflashplugin-installer
[17:06] <graingert> ActionParsnip: no messing the debs or PPAs
[17:06] <fa7ad> ActionParsnip: Dont you think chromium is a better alternative?
[17:06] <Edir> searching internet from dash
[17:06] <graingert> s/the/with/
[17:06] <Edir> gtg
[17:06] <Huvuntu> thanks ActionParsnip
[17:06] <fa7ad> ok missed ur last message
[17:06] <graingert> chromium-browser*
[17:06] <srikanth> is it out?
[17:06] <graingert> chromium is a game
[17:06] <Fox^> I prefer firefox with extentions
[17:07] <harsesus> For wmv, mplayer works, vlc and totem core dump, each show a respective .so segfault, ubuntu 14.04, vlc 2.1.3 (and 2.2), gstreamer1.0-libav 1.2.3-1... what next step should I take to figure out what is causing this
[17:07] <graingert> Fox^: holy wars ftw
[17:07] <Fox^> vim is the best.
[17:07] <Fox^> anyone who says its not is a e-fool
[17:07] <graingert> Fox^: vim.sexy ftw
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> fallout: i find the flash in Chrome to be decent for my needs, so I use it
[17:07] <spoutnik16> hi, got a problem
[17:07] <spoutnik16> when i type in shell
[17:07] <spoutnik16> nobody show up
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> !info chromium pepperflashplugin-installer
[17:07] <spoutnik16> but command are still inputed
[17:07] <spoutnik16> what's the deal ?
[17:07] <graingert> pepperflashplugin-nonfree **
[17:07] <graingert> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> !info pepperflashplugin-installer
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> funky
[17:08] <graingert> !info chromium
[17:08] <graingert> !info chromium-browser
[17:08] <Edir> gtgback
[17:08] <Edir> whoops
[17:08] <Edir> lol
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> plus the PDF reader in Chrome is sweet
[17:08] <vanna_marchi_> release?
[17:08] <srikanth> is trusty out?
[17:08] <spoutnik16> but how can i make bash to show what i write ?
[17:08] <alexherbo2> Hi
[17:08] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:08] <mrdevries> Is U1 taken out of the LTS/daily builds?
[17:09] <alexherbo2> How disable DM ?
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> spoutnik16: that is default, as you type commands it types them..
[17:09] <Seven_Six_Two> have the locos already received their cd and dvd packs?
[17:09] <ActionParsnip> alexherbo2: sudo service lightdm stop
[17:09] <alexherbo2> ActionParsnip: Thanks
[17:09] <c2tarun> new Ubuntu iso is of 964 MB :(
[17:09] <c2tarun> !isitoutyet
[17:09] <spoutnik16> ActionParsnip: yes, but now, when i type commands, it doesn't write anthing, but i can still use those commands
[17:09] <bad63r> so?
[17:10] <bad63r> c2tarun, so what if .iso is 950 MB ?
[17:10] <ActionParsnip> spoutnik16: if you run:   source ~/.bashrc   do you see the text ok now?
[17:10] <peij> ActionParsnip : I'm back to my Ubuntu, still with my sound issues. here is my alsa-info result : http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=2f496e0e6289de2f5c96521becf78e1bb7eb5915
[17:10] <alexherbo2> ActionParsnip: still disabled after reboot?
[17:10] <vanna_marchi_> when the official release
[17:10] <c2tarun> bad63r, well I was expecting it to be around 700 MBs like always.
[17:10] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:11]  * c2tarun on a slow connection
[17:11] <harsesus> I can't get vlc or totem to play wmv without crashing... coredump. anyone know what would cause these two programs to both crash???
[17:11] <graingert> ActionParsnip: shame there is no pepperpdfplugin-nonfree
[17:11] <graingert> harsesus: becuase it's a terribad format
[17:11] <graingert> harsesus: use MKV and VP9
[17:12] <bad63r> c2tarun, well me 2 but they had to fix things about ubuntu1 etc so i understand
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> peij: if you run:   alsamixer    are all levels cranked and unmuted?
[17:12] <harsesus> well. sure... but I thought both ran different codecs. but then mplayer works ok with wmv, its weird
[17:12] <bad63r> can some1 tell me irc for ubuntu release party ?
[17:13] <peij> ActionParsnip : Yes. Tried to mute/unmute everythong I could and test, but no sound.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> peij: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1762699
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> peij: why buy an overpriced mac then put Ubuntu on it, makes no sense
[17:13] <srikanth> it is released right?
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> srikanth: no
[17:14] <vanna_marchi_> telecomitalia
[17:14] <belgianguy> I'm on 13.10  with the propietary ATI driver, will upgrading to 14.04 break or reset the gfx driver?
[17:14] <srikanth> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[17:14] <john1999> !isitoutyet
 no, not yet, stay off the servers and wait for the announcement
[17:14] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> peij: tried the shortcuts on the keyboard to edit sound
[17:15] <blez> srikanth final?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> peij: do headphones work ok?
[17:15] <bad63r> well pls post here when ubuntu 14.04 is out
[17:15] <linuxpassion> hi
[17:15] <srikanth> blez....may be....its a official website
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> peij: have you tried adding:    options snd-hda-intel model=mbp55       to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf and rebooting
[17:15] <linuxpassion> so is 14.04 out yet?
[17:15] <blez> that whole thing isn't for a first time
[17:16] <pedroalves> Hello ppl
[17:16] <linuxpassion> hi pedroalves
[17:16] <Mikel6322> k
[17:16] <mrkie> when i resize a window it will change all borders instead of 2 borders like it did always, what is wrong? it will resize 4 borders at once now! it always did 2
[17:16] <belgianguy> I'm on 13.10  with the propietary ATI driver, will upgrading to 14.04 break or reset the gfx driver?
[17:16] <mrkie> ubuntu 12.04 lts
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> belgianguy: maybe, I havent seen proprietary drivers survive a distribution change
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> belgianguy: you could remove them, upgrade then reinstall them
[17:17] <mrkie> does anyone understand me?
[17:17] <rvraghav93> This [ http://www.amazon.com/Huawei-E355-Unlocked-Mobile-21Mbps/dp/B008TH3VH0 ] device is now working in my system . Is there any drivers for the same ?
[17:17] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:17] <peij> ActionParsnip : for the computer, it's my office computer, but I use it personally too. Would like to buy something else but can't afford it for now !
[17:17] <Chewy64> But is IT the 17th ubottu! Jeez man.
[17:17] <minas> hi. i want to upgrade to 14.04 (from 13.10) but the update can't be found (I run update-manager and no prompt to upgrade to 14.04)
[17:17] <belgianguy> ActionParsnip: ah k, thanks, I'll check on them first
[17:17] <FoodPlease> hi
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> minas: ask in #ubuntu+1 for Trusty support
[17:18] <cpined> hello, can someone help me fix a dns issue?  Somehow I lost the ability to reach the internet using host names...I can only reach using IP address.
[17:18] <srikanth> ubottu http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[17:18] <peij> ActionParsnip : Looked at the thread on ubuntuforums, tried everything, not good. Though, I don't have the hardware tab on system sound properties ?
[17:18] <beachbuddah> ummm, folks...seemingly I am downloading as we speak from http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[17:18] <jdavis> I downloaded the ISO for 14.04. Do I need to actually burn it to a CD to install, or can I use the ISO?
[17:18] <ikonia> beachbuddah: then you are downloading the wrong thing
[17:18] <minas> ActionParsnip, isn't this the channel for official ubuntu? I thought 14.04 was releaased today?
[17:18] <beachbuddah> now, don't all go there at once and break the sever while I am d/l-ing
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> cpined: echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo tee -a /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head > /dev/null
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> cpined: then reboot
[17:19] <sdfasdf> !isitoutyet
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> minas: read the topic....
[17:19] <harsesus> I can't get vlc or totem to play wmv without crashing... coredump. anyone know what would cause these two programs to both crash??? mplayer doesn't have an issue. how do investigate further?
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> minas: its very clear
[17:19] <minas> ActionParsnip, which topic?
[17:19] <SchrodingersScat> !liveusb | jdavis
[17:19] <AhmadElMelegy> hi, Can I upgrade form 12.04 to 14.04 LTS ?
[17:19] <peij> ActionParsnip : Headphones doesn't work, there's a piece of jack stuck into the output. But I've got sound on my speakers when I boot to windows to do some tests
[17:19] <cpined> ActionParsnip: I will give it a shot.
[17:19] <ikonia> AhmadElMelegy: when it's released, sure
[17:19] <ActionParsnip> minas: Trusty/14.04 support/discussion: #ubuntu+1 | Trusty/14.04 preparty: #ubuntu-release-party :)]
[17:19] <alexherbo2> ActionParsnip: is "update-rc.d -f lightdm remove" ?
[17:19] <jdavis> SchrodingersScat: Oh, thank you. That will work.
[17:20] <minas> ActionParsnip, thank you
[17:20] <ActionParsnip> harsesus: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[17:20] <woprandi> http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:20] <vanna_marchi_> release?
[17:20] <_flood> ^ is that the official release?
[17:20] <bencc> is this stable? http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[17:20] <bencc> some of them are from 16 April
[17:21] <peij> ActionParsnip : I'm going to reboot know, I come back in one minute
[17:21] <vanna_marchi_> there is a bug
[17:21] <AhmadElMelegy> ikonia: today ?
[17:21] <harsesus> actionParsn: no such file or directory
[17:21] <ActionParsnip> harsesus: there is a space bretween the word 'cat' and '/etc/issue'
[17:21] <paati> Installed 14.04 but couldn't login, it just didn't do anything and freezed. Reinstalling atm, i hope that it doesn't do it again
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> harsesus: if you copy and paste the command rather than trying to retype it you won't botch it
[17:22] <srikanth> confused is it out or not...???
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> paati: Trusty is offtopic here til it is released
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> srikanth: no
[17:22] <Anonymous2137> still no lubuntu releases...
[17:22] <srikanth> ActionParsnip how are u telling?
[17:23] <SchrodingersScat> would checking the torrent.ubuntu.com for the torrent be a sufficient sign that it's released?
[17:23] <abrakadabra> 1896 people, lol )
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> srikanth: the topic on this channel
[17:23] <keevitaja> how many here are usually?
[17:23] <harsesus> sorry, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> SchrodingersScat: when the channel topic has changed, it is out
[17:23] <cpined> ActionParsnip:That did not work.
[17:23] <SchrodingersScat> ActionParsnip: thanks
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> harsesus: Trusty is not supported here yet. Ask in #ubuntu+1
[17:24] <cpined> Ubuntu is running as a guest OS.
[17:24] <dr0p> RELEASED :) at last!
[17:24] <keevitaja> lol,. it's any minute now
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> dr0p: its not
[17:24] <lerker> llsdsssssddddddddddddddddssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssl
[17:24] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:24] <vik1> will upgrade to 14.04 from 12.04 deletes any  file ?
[17:24] <dr0p> downloading from torrents, see omgubuntu
[17:24] <holstein> vik1: you should have backups
 but  is available on releases.ubuntu.com no???
[17:24] <ActionParsnip> vik1: no, if you are concerned I suggest you take a full backup before starting
[17:25] <peij> ActionParsnip : I'm back. Added the line to the alsa-base.conf, still nothing. I really don't understand :(
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> srikanth: check the topic...
[17:25] <holstein> vik1: the upgrade proceedure its self is not intended to delete your files
[17:25] <peij> Everything seems fine, but still nothing
[17:25] <sdfasdf> !isitoutyet
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> peij: what's not to understand? Your OS is not configured right, so you get no sound
[17:25] <srikanth> ActionParsnip where is it (topic)???
[17:25] <ReddyFire> hello everybody!
[17:26] <archblob> hello
[17:26] <vik1> holstein: ActionParsnip: thanks for the suggestion
[17:26] <peij> Something weird : when I change the sound volume on the sound panel, the "speaker" volume drops to 0 on alsamixer
[17:26] <bad63r> can we be sure that ubuntu 14.04 will be released today?
[17:26] <ReddyFire> got me a stumper question for the willing
[17:26] <ActionParsnip> srikanth: type:  /topic
[17:26] <keevitaja> bad63r: yes
[17:26] <Mikel6322> k
[17:26] <archblob> can someone running 12.04 and that has the linux headers installed grep something for me ?
[17:26] <ReddyFire> having issues booting with an nvidia gpu
[17:26] <crimsondusk> still nothing i guess
[17:26] <peij> ActionParsnip : Well, don't understand where is the mistake :)
[17:27] <ReddyFire> i can only boot with acpi=off or nomodeset
[17:27] <ActionParsnip> peij: are there any bugs reported?
[17:27] <compdoc> archblob, I think I have one set up
[17:27] <ReddyFire> tried 12/13/14 distros and several linux mint distros
[17:27] <peij> ActionParsnip : don't think so, but my case is a bit specific
[17:27] <srikanth> k... where can i find if it once released ???
[17:28] <Huvuntu> archblob: I'm on 12.04 64 bits now
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> peij: how, its ubuntu on a mac, not specific at all
[17:28] <archblob> compdoc, could you see if SYN_MAX is defined in incudes/uapi/linux/input.h ?
[17:28] <vik1> ActionParsnip: holstein what abt openstack . will i need to reinstall after upgrade ?
[17:28] <peij> ActionParsnip : It's ubuntu on a mac with a broken jack into the headphones output :)
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> peij: not really unique at all
[17:28] <archblob> Huvuntu,  could you see if SYN_MAX is defined in incudes/uapi/linux/input.h ?
[17:28] <holstein> vik1: not sure.. ask them
[17:29] <vik1> holstein: k , thank u :)
[17:29] <srikanth> ActionParsnip where can i find if it once released???
[17:29] <linuxpassion> so is ubuntu 14.04 torrent out yet?
[17:29] <holstein> linuxpassion: no
[17:29] <holstein> srikanth: i would try the main site.. the download link
[17:29] <pedroalves> yes it is
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> srikanth: ask in #ubuntu+1
[17:29] <Huvuntu> archblob: sorry but where can I find it?
[17:30] <pedroalves> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[17:30] <holstein> pedroalves: help us encourage waiting.
[17:30] <holstein> !isitout
[17:30] <linuxpassion> so is ubuntu 14.04 out at all yet?
[17:30] <peij> ActionParsnip : I have to go, I will continue to try out tomorrow. Thank you for your help :)
[17:30] <holstein> linuxpassion: no
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> linuxpassion: no
[17:30] <zcheng3> i am wondering why people have to install the 14.04 today
[17:30] <FoodPlease_> FoodPlease,
[17:30] <FoodPlease_> why am I in the room twoce?
[17:30]  * Guest92736 giggles at ikonia
[17:30] <archblob> Huvuntu,  let me see what's the full path, it should be where the linux-headers-generic are installed
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> zcheng3: its beyond me
[17:30] <SchrodingersScat> zcheng3: fear of missing out
[17:30] <holstein> !ghost
[17:30] <ReddyFire> linuxpassio there is a beta2 of ubuntu 14.04
[17:31] <linuxpassion> pedrucho, ActionParsnip  holstein  thanks
[17:31] <ChrisSc> hi everybody
[17:31] <scipy53> I'm trying to install X-Plane on Xubuntu and I get this message: "Your graphics hardware cannot support X-Plane. X-Plane requires a graphics card with 128 MB of VRAM and pixel shaders." I have a "intel corporation 82q35 express integrated graphics controller". Any help, please?
[17:31] <ChrisSc> I'm runnning Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a new J1900 Board, but it quits every few days with a BUG Message
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> ChrisSc: Trusty is not supported or discussed here, ask in #ubuntu+1 please
[17:32] <ChrisSc> "unable to handle kernel null pointer dereference" and "xhci_find_new_unqueue_state"
[17:32] <ChrisSc> ActionParsnip: okay, thanks
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> ChrisSc: its there in the topic. You just had to read it
[17:32] <ChrisSc> is 14.04 still to be released today?
[17:33] <linuxpassion> ChrisSc,  please report all bugs so all may benefit for a fix
[17:33] <archblob> Huvuntu,  it's in /usr/src/linux-headers-(version)/
[17:33] <holstein> ChrisSc: yes.. later.. help us encourage waiting til the official release
[17:33] <Meerkat> scipy53, intel integrated graphics aren't very suitable for gaming. I suggest you buy a dedicated graphics card.
[17:33] <archblob> Huvuntu,  and then the rest of the path i wrote
[17:33] <ChrisSc> are there any xhci fixes since the last devel?
[17:33] <archblob> Huvuntu,  it's only there if you have the linux headers installed
[17:34] <scipy53> Meerkat, Definitely true, but I thought it would at least work. Would somehow allocating more VRAM allow it to work, even if its terrible?
[17:34] <FoodPlease> h
[17:34] <Food_Please> g
[17:34] <linuxpassion> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/  does this look like 14.04 is out?
[17:34] <daftykins> scipy53: not really no, you can check your BIOS for any memory allocation options but i suspect you won't find any for that
[17:34] <ikonia> linuxpassion: no
[17:34] <Huvuntu> archblob: Ok I'll check now
[17:35] <scipy53> daftykins, I see. Any recommendations for a budget video card then?
[17:35] <archblob> Huvuntu,  ok, thank you
[17:35] <daftykins> scipy53: hmm, an nvidia 630 could be good
[17:35] <linuxpassion> ikonia,  how can i tell?  i was told/ read 14.04 comes out today.
[17:35] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:35] <ikonia> linuxpassion: there will be an annoucement
[17:35] <daftykins> scipy53: i'm not familiar with that software you referred to though, so it could be wise to check if it has any suggestions?
[17:36] <ubwi> 14.04 is released
[17:36] <dajhorn> scipy53, that GPU lacks vertex shaders and texture-and-lighting.  It will have problems with anthing that requires hardware assisted graphics.
[17:36] <tgm4883> linuxpassion, FWIW, yes it does look like it's out to me
[17:36] <CAM``> i downloaded it from     http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso     ... i think its official
[17:36] <linuxpassion> well when 14.04 torrent comes out i like to put it on my vps to seed .
[17:36] <ubwi> I'm installing 14.04 right now.
[17:36] <scipy53> dajhorn, You mean the one I currently have?
[17:36] <Mikel6322> k
[17:36] <Guest92736> It isn't.
[17:36] <Reepicheep> ikonia: just out of curiosity why are you so bent on making sure people know that it is not "Officially Released" You understand that they need to make sure it's pre-seeded first, right?
[17:36] <NK_> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[17:36] <NK_> No new release found
[17:36] <vik1> i have a doubt , why ubuntu force me to update 12.04 before i upgrade to 14.04 , anyhow i will not be using 12.04 ?
[17:36] <scipy53> daftykins, How about the Radeon HD5450
[17:37] <Huvuntu> archblob: so I do "cat input.h | grep SYN_MAX" ?
[17:37] <ikonia> Reepicheep: do you understand that people connecting to the servers is not what canonical want
[17:37] <linuxpassion> well when 14.04 torrent comes out i like to put it on my vps to seed .  put @yELL to me when this happens.
[17:37] <Mikel6322> if its not announced on ubuntus main page its prob not official yet
[17:37] <daftykins> scipy53: i wouldn't recommend anything AMD for graphics on Linux, their drivers tend to... make the angels cry.
[17:37] <ReddyFire> linuxpassion, trusty tahr is out like CAM`` said...
[17:37] <archblob> Huvuntu,  yes, that should work
[17:37] <front243> linuxpassion: https://twitter.com/MarkABaker/status/456845472586420225
[17:37] <ReddyFire> but it is still in beta2
[17:37] <riverloop> Hello, how can I change the label of my hard disk partition? It is now showing as 119GB volume, 93GB volume etc.
[17:37] <tgm4883> linuxpassion, so like this http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[17:37] <ubwi> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[17:37] <Huvuntu> archblob: It returns nothing :/
[17:38] <Mikel6322> also there are people from conical on here so we will know when its released
[17:38] <dajhorn> scipy53, yes the 82Q35 that you mentioned.  The Radeon will be much better if you can find a good driver for it.
[17:38] <scipy53> daftykins, I've read good things about that one though on Ubuntu forums
[17:38] <archblob> Huvuntu,  could you also grep for SYN_ ?
[17:38] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:38] <linuxpassion> ReddyFire,  well i have ppl saying both yes and no
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> Huvuntu: why cat?
[17:38] <scipy53> dajhorn, Right. Seems like I can get that card for < $30 online too
[17:38] <Mikel6322> the one on the releases page isnt offical yet
[17:38] <compdoc> 14.04 isnt available on the ubuntu website. I wouldnt d/l anything until it is
[17:38] <daftykins> scipy53: well, it's your gamble :)
[17:38] <archblob> Huvuntu,  see if it returns something ?
[17:38] <Reepicheep> I do understand that .. the server get's ponded every time they have a release.  If they didn't want that they probably shouldn't of stated that it is going to be released on the 17th on there front page.
[17:38] <ActionParsnip> Huvuntu: grep SYN_MAX input.h
[17:38] <Mikel6322> its a place holder
[17:38] <Mikel6322> until its up
[17:39] <daftykins> scipy53: it won't be long before the HD 5xxx series are dropped by AMD for support though i'd bet.
[17:39] <Deep6> guys will 14.04 sort out all the samsung uefi issues
[17:39] <Deep6> or are they already fixed?
[17:39] <scipy53> daftykins, Most people seem to use open source drivers though
[17:39] <vik1> i have a doubt , why ubuntu force me to update 12.04 before i upgrade to 14.04 , anyhow i will not be using 12.04 ?
[17:39] <linuxpassion> tgm4883,  what is this?
[17:39] <tgm4883> linuxpassion, all the torrents are up
[17:39] <Huvuntu> the full path is /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-60-generic/include/linux/input.h is that ok?
[17:39] <Mikel6322> same reason why u cant upgrade from windows 2000 to windows 8
[17:40] <dajhorn> scipy53, The radeon driver baked into recent Linux kernels is pretty good, especially in the pending Trusty release.
[17:40] <archblob> Huvuntu, no, it should be /include/uapi/linux/input.h
[17:40] <cpined> ActionParsnip: I found a solution. dpkg-reconfigure resolvconf fixed the issue.  It seems that forticlient vpn sofware is the culprit.
[17:40] <debabrata_> why should i choose ubuntu instead of elementary os..?
[17:40] <linuxpassion> cool. so im trying to do my part and  be a seeder to ubuntu
[17:40] <archblob> Huvuntu, after the linux-headers stuff
[17:40] <vik1> Mikel6322: lol
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> cpined: funky, glad you got the gold
[17:40] <scipy53> dajhorn, So you think I should be food with the 5450?
[17:40] <archblob> Huvuntu, that input.h is a different file, that should not have SYN_MAX defined
[17:41] <dajhorn> scipy53, for $30, sure.  Anthing in the ATI/AMD HD XXXX series has full hardware assist.
[17:41] <compdoc> archblob, there are several  input.h files
[17:41] <Huvuntu> archblob: There is no uapi folder :/
[17:41] <scipy53> dajhorn, Sweet, I'm in. Can't wait! Thanks.
[17:41] <dajhorn> scipy53, welcome, and good luck.
[17:41] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[17:42] <archblob> Huvuntu, compdoc yes, there are a lot of input.h files but I am interested in the one from uapi
[17:42] <CyL> Do we have an ETA for Ubuntu 14.04?
[17:42] <archblob> Huvuntu, ok, thank you very much, that settles it
[17:43] <MrRadiotron> CyL, twitter said 10mins 15mins ago....
[17:43] <CyL> MrRadiotron: So, just about there?
[17:43] <MrRadiotron> ... no idea
[17:44] <CyL> MrRadiotron: Heh, thanks for your info
[17:46] <JezEmery> any news on the launch?
[17:47] <dusf123_> !isitoutyet
[17:47] <Mikel632> someone should edit the banner when u login saying it is not released yet lol
[17:47] <Mikel632> or when u join the channel rather
[17:48] <k1l> Mikel632: as if any one is reading that :/
[17:49] <jobarte> hi guys, I'm using vnstat to measure bandwidth traffic packet
[17:50] <jobarte> anyone knows if vnstat support too to measure bandwidth usage on eth?
[17:50] <Mikerhinos> almost 2000 users lol
[17:51] <guesting> Ah! The computer crashed to a prompt! Anyway, did anyone answer my issue? I am stuck in dpendency problems with vim-tiny and vim-runtime. How can I fix it?
[17:51] <syntroPi> Is this here http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso  the final release?
[17:51] <guesting> I'm using 12.04
[17:52] <PotatoHead007> ITS HERE :D
[17:52] <PotatoHead007> http://nixspy.com/latestnews/ubuntunews/ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-released/
[17:52] <Mikel632> Not yet guys
[17:52] <PotatoHead007> But that says it is
[17:52] <holstein> PotatoHead007: its not.. help us encourage patience.. thanks
[17:52] <Mikel632> u trust everything u read on the internet
[17:52] <klew> is it still the recommended approach to wait for 14.04.1 before upgrading servers used in production?
[17:52] <PotatoHead007> Oh sorry
[17:53] <jobarte> hi guys, I'm using vnstat to measure bandwidth traffic packet, anyone knows if vnstat support to measure bandwidth usage on eth too?
[17:53] <syntroPi> Mikel632, well but its downloadable under http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[17:54] <syntroPi> isnt this the current release?
[17:54] <k1l> syntroPi: no
[17:54] <syntroPi> k1l, what is that then?
[17:54] <k1l> please wait to the announcment. the isos might get changed for last minutes bug changes
[17:54] <PotatoHead007> ahaha the amazing patience :D
[17:55] <k1l> !party
[17:55] <PotatoHead007> Its like waiting to unpack presents on Christmas :D
[17:55] <noodle> any suggest for best php editor on ubuntu?
[17:55] <PotatoHead007> noodle i say gedit
[17:56] <syntroPi> so its not final yet IC...
[17:56] <noodle> PotatoHead007: it's look like notepad++ ? I'm noob
[17:56] <noodle> I mean, noob on ubuntu
[17:57] <PotatoHead007> noodle, there is an option on the bottom right of gedit
[17:57] <PotatoHead007> To change to different codes
[17:57] <c3l> noodle:  I can recommend sublime text as text editor
[17:57] <PotatoHead007> It says "plain text" by default
[17:58] <freecoder> can anyone tell me what timezone do they follow in 'last modified' section at http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/
[17:58] <noodle> PotatoHead007: ok, perfect. thanks for your help
[17:58] <dusf123_> !isitoutyet
[17:58] <daftykins> freecoder: just be patient
[17:58] <freecoder> i'm just asking
[17:58] <dysoco> I hope it comes out before I have to leave, so I can let it download
[17:58] <dusf123_> they must still be working on all the bugs
[17:59] <guesting> OK, the issue is I have a ppa of vim for 7.4, but ubuntu wants to install vim-tiny for 7.4 which installs vim-runtime 7.4. How to I remove the ppa for vim 7.4 so ubuntu can install it from the official repositories (I'm assuming it's from trusty, even though I'm using 12.04)?
[18:00] <daftykins> guesting: graphically or command line?
[18:00] <Mikel632> will doing a clean install of 14.04 write over my efi bootloader of 13.10 or just create another one in the efi/boot partition
[18:00] <Mikel632> i have windows 8.1 and 13.10 currently in same partition
[18:01] <guesting> daftykins: ? Like, how to do it graphically vs command line or that I have vim-gtk?
[18:01] <Mikel632> bootloader partition*
[18:01] <daftykins> guesting: which method do you want?
[18:01] <guesting> daftykins: The way that works
[18:01] <daftykins> lol.
[18:01] <guesting> daftykins: This computer CANNOT break and be in dependency hell haha
[18:02] <daftykins> guesting: so either go into system settings and check your software sources, or open a terminal and look for it within /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ <files here>
[18:02] <guesting> daftykins: I'm assuming vim 7.4 was backported?
[18:02] <Guest60929> !isitoutyet
[18:02] <Mikel632> its up
[18:02] <daftykins> guesting: i don't have a clue about your specific version, but i can just point out as above where PPAs are
[18:02] <Mikel632> just reloaded page
[18:02] <Mikel632> officially!!
[18:02] <k1l> Mikel632: stop that!
[18:03] <betabertus8899> WOW!!!! YEAHHHH
[18:03] <woprandi> !isitoutyet
[18:04] <debabrata_> ..
[18:04] <guesting> daftykins: So, what should my plan be? The error is http://pastebin.com/wcvRJyCZ
[18:04] <bad63r> ye its here finally!
[18:04] <daftykins> guesting: well, your step #1 is to find the PPA you added and remove it :)
[18:04] <spitfire_> Greetings..
[18:04] <mensvaga> !es
[18:04] <guesting> daftykins: Excellent
[18:05] <Mikel632> OFFICAL http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/
[18:05] <guesting> daftykins: Well graphically it spits out an error as it says there are problems which is the dependency issue
[18:05] <guesting> daftykins: So I'll remove it from those two other files
[18:06] <spitfire_> I heard that ubuntu 14.04 TT would be released today, Is that correct?
[18:06] <Exagone313> is ity here
[18:06] <k1l> !party | Spitfire yes today but still waiting
[18:06] <spitfire_> k1l: Amazing..
[18:07] <onefix_work> spitfire_: Yes, but if you really need to use it, you could always run the dev build, which will be upgraded to final shortly...
[18:07] <luhpur> how to do upgrade from 13.10?
[18:07] <c3l> There we go! =)
[18:07] <onefix_work> do-release-upgrade
[18:07] <crimsondusk> oh woo
[18:07] <crimsondusk> it's out
[18:07] <holstein> luhpur: you'll be presented the option from the update manager after release.. or you can do it more manually
[18:08] <faizul> hi incik
[18:08] <crimsondusk> do-release-upgrade finds no new release..?
[18:08] <bj0rn2> I'm trying to create a bootable usb using Startup Disk Creator but it just fails "installation failed".. what to do?
[18:08] <luhpur> holstein, there is no option at the moment
[18:08] <guesting> daftykins: I found it in sources.list.d but not in sources.list, should I delete the files? (nmi-vim-snapshots-precise.list)
[18:08] <k1l> ok, so 14.04 is released: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html
[18:08] <spitfire_> I'll make a clean installation. Then, install kde-full from official kubuntu-backports repository.
[18:08] <holstein> luhpur: sure.. its literally just being released. your patience is a appreciated
[18:08] <daftykins> guesting: back them up for now by moving them to your home folder
[18:09] <guesting> daftykins: Done. What is the next step?
[18:09] <Exagone313> maybe apt-get update after?
[18:10] <daftykins> guesting: have a read here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37531/how-do-i-remove-all-packages-from-a-certain-repository
[18:10] <spitfire_> ppa-purge ?
[18:11] <bencc> is this the updated md5 for stable? http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/MD5SUMS
[18:11] <guesting> daftykins: But I can't remove any packages because it spits out the error
[18:11] <Exagone313> how to backup all my ubuntu's partition ?
[18:11] <daftykins> guesting: when apt-get is moaning, you can ignore it by removing packages with dpkg.
[18:11] <Exagone313> will install 14.04 with a new install
[18:12] <Exagone313> shoul I just copy files ?
[18:12] <guesting> daftykins: But ubuntu-minimal requires vim-tiny, so I'm worried
[18:12] <rvraghav93> Is it possible to upgrade to 14 without having to re install everythin ?
[18:12] <Exagone313> rvraghav93: you can upgrade with apt-get
[18:12] <daftykins> guesting: so backup, then go NUTS! :)
[18:13] <guesting> daftykins: Uuuugggggh but this is a super important server
[18:13] <rvraghav93> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[18:13] <saju_m> Hi, #sudo apt-get update, not working for me.  Please take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/7269779/
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Use [ do-release-upgrade ] to get to 14.04 LTS from 13.10.
[18:13] <PotatoHead007> Ladies and Gentlemen :D
[18:13] <PotatoHead007> IT IS HERE
[18:13] <mheinke> happy release day!
[18:13] <PotatoHead007> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[18:13] <PotatoHead007> YESSSSSSSSSS
[18:14] <PotatoHead007> I feel like a kid at Christmas morning :D
[18:14] <daftykins> PotatoHead007: that's lovely, can you take your celebrations to #ubuntu-release-party now please. this is support only
[18:14] <darius93> PotatoHead007, you have no idea
[18:14] <PotatoHead007> Sorry
[18:15] <ChrisSc> how to update from 1404LTS devel to final? do-rel-update cannot find a new version
[18:15] <AhmadElMelegy> is it better to install ubuntu 14.04 than upgrading 12.04 ?
[18:15] <darius93> Have anyone got any cpu spikes with skype on 14.04?
[18:15] <PotatoHead007> How do i go to the help channel?
[18:15] <Andy80> hi
[18:15] <rymate1234> ChrisSc, apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:15] <crimsondusk> PotatoHead007, this is the help channel
[18:15] <PotatoHead007> crimsondusk, i mean the op-something channel
[18:15] <ChrisSc> rymate1234: nothing new to instal...
[18:16] <Andy80> I'm trying to update to Ubuntu 14.04 from 13.10 but the update is not showing... I've also executed "sudo apt-get update" manually to update package list but it didn't help
[18:16] <crimsondusk> #ubuntu-ops?
[18:16] <PotatoHead007> ah yes thanks :)
[18:16] <rymate1234> ChrisSc, then you're all up to date
[18:16] <ChrisSc> guess there weren't many changes since this morning
[18:16] <rymate1234> nope
[18:16] <ChrisSc> k, thx
[18:17] <Thete> Is there a way to upgrade ubuntu 14.04 LTS beta to release?
[18:17] <holstein> Thete: yes. the upgrade path of your choice
[18:18] <xangua> Andy80: in Software Center>Edit menu>Sources>Updates you have to change from 'Normal release' to 'LTS release'
[18:18] <holstein> Thete: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever you like to use
[18:18] <Pici> !final | Thete
[18:18] <ChrisSc> Thete: I was told to use apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[18:18] <Thete> oh ok :)
[18:18] <Thete> thanks
[18:18] <slimjimflim> if i upgrade to 13.10 will i be able to do-release-upgrade?
[18:18] <crimsondusk> how am i supposed to jump from 13.10 to 14.04? do-release-upgrade is not finding anything
[18:19] <jcalonso> same here
[18:19] <compdoc> crimsondusk, takes time
[18:19] <rvdv> !isitoutyet
[18:19] <crimsondusk> mkay i guess i'll just retry later
[18:19] <k1l> crimsondusk: jcalonso wait until the servers are synced. or more precise the mirrors you are connected to
[18:19] <PotatoHead007> #ubuntu-ops is not helping :/
[18:20] <Andy80> xangua, in the "Software & Updates" --> Updates I have enabled "Notify me for a new Ubuntu version: For ANY new version"
[18:20] <Andy80> any means any...
[18:20] <blez> ye, ubuntu released
[18:20] <blez> will install it now
[18:20] <jcalonso> will do k1l
[18:21] <ktwo> Hi, i got an eee PC running Lubuntu now. Now i want 14.04. But im kinda unsure which edition to install. Do you think Xubuntu is better suited? i want a little more eye candy , maybe some nice compiz effects
[18:21] <k1l> PotatoHead007: what is you issue at all?
[18:21] <PotatoHead007> Ubuntu is eyecandy <3
[18:21] <Andy80> xangua, and even setting it to LTS it is still not able to find any update
[18:21] <PotatoHead007> k1l i got banned from #party-releases or something
[18:22] <PotatoHead007> Because i posted a link, that apparently was not real
[18:22] <pssalman> why doesn't ubuntu offer 32 bit server download on their official website
[18:22] <pssalman> ?
[18:22] <Actionparsnip> ktwo: #ubuntu+1 for Trusty support
[18:22] <Pici> Actionparsnip: no
[18:22] <k1l> PotatoHead007: then stop it right here and resolve the ban in #ubuntu-ops
[18:23] <PotatoHead007> k1l, i am trying, but they are not answering
[18:23] <Pici> PotatoHead007: you aren't in there
[18:23] <dusf123_> !isitoutyet
[18:23] <k1l> PotatoHead007: that is a lie. you are not in that channel
[18:23] <Actionparsnip> Pici: why no?
[18:23] <PotatoHead007> k1l, i am...
[18:23] <JimmyNeutron> Where's the hash/md5sum info?
[18:23] <Pici> Actionparsnip: Because 14.04 is out.
[18:23] <PotatoHead007> let me reconnect again
[18:24] <Actionparsnip> Pici: gotcha
[18:24] <k1l> PotatoHead007: please keep this channel here clear for support. you know in which channel you have to ask your questions
[18:24] <SteveBell> hi all. can I already update from within 13.10 desktop? update check or teminal do-release-upgrade both tell me there's no update available
[18:24] <ktwo> do you think Xubuntu or Lubuntu made more progress from 13.10 to 14.04?
[18:24] <zcheng3> now it is out
[18:25] <ghs> how to update from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS ?
[18:25] <Actionparsnip> Pici: I'm guessing we are talking minutes here
[18:25] <SteveBell> I know it's "out" but how do I update?
[18:25] <kostkon> SteveBell, try again later. mirrors have to sync with the main server first
[18:25] <SteveBell> ah ok. thx kostkon
[18:25] <Actionparsnip> Ghs: it won't be offered til 14.04.1
[18:25] <SteveBell> no torrent solution  for installed 13.10?
[18:25] <Andy80> SteveBell, I'm in the same boat
[18:25] <Pici> Actionparsnip: about 20 min.
[18:25] <SteveBell> cheers Andy80
[18:25] <erikax> SteveBell:  upgrade-maniger -d
[18:25] <Actionparsnip> Pici: thanks again :-)
[18:26] <ghs> Actionparsnip, How to get it ?
[18:26] <k1l> ghs: that will be officially opend when 14.04 is 14.04.1
[18:26] <betabertus8899> !isitoutyet
[18:26] <ghs> Which is the difference between 14.04 and 14.04.1 ?
[18:27] <SteveBell> yey, it's popping up now \°/
[18:27] <SteveBell> Andy80:  try again!
[18:27] <Andy80> SteveBell, how you did it?
[18:27] <k1l> ghs: its the "point-release" like the servicepacks on windows. that is the point when the release will become a LTS
[18:27] <SteveBell> update-manager -d
[18:27] <bj0rn2> no luck trying to create USB with Startup Disk Creator.. is there any other way to do it?
[18:27] <Andy80> -d !
[18:27] <Andy80> I forgot that
[18:27] <SteveBell> -d what does that do? btw?
[18:28] <Actionparsnip> Ghs: you could boot install cd for Trusty and the upgrade will be offered
[18:28] <k1l> -d is for "development"
[18:28] <ghs> k1l So, the 14.04 not is LTS ?
[18:28] <k1l> SteveBell: Andy80 ^
[18:28] <phr43k> ghs: yes it is, 5 yrs LTS
[18:28] <Andy80> SteveBell, you use it when you want to upgrade to a devel release usually
[18:28] <Andy80> by the way... not working here yet :(
[18:28] <Actionparsnip> Stevebell: read the man page if you are curious of command options
[18:28] <k1l> ghs: officially the .1 release makes it to the LTS.
[18:28] <SteveBell> ah so, identical to final? hm, not really wanting to hop on the devel channel if sth like that exists.
[18:29] <sudormrf> hey guys....so sudo do-release-upgrade is returning no results.  Probably a delay?
[18:29] <Andy80> I remember a similar process... let me check....
[18:29] <jdavis> I rebooted 13.10 using the 14.04 dvd. I selected "upgrade", and then I was confused when it asked for name, username, etc. to be entered, so I cancelled/quit. Now 13.10 is not bootable. Any suggestions?
[18:29] <Andy80> sudormrf, welcome to the club :)
[18:29] <k1l> sudormrf: yes, mirrors are still syncing. can delay for up to 48 hours.
[18:29] <Actionparsnip> Sudo
[18:30] <Actionparsnip> sudormrf: what release are you using?
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> sudormrf: If 13.10, wait a little while. If 12.04, you have a long wait - for 14.04.1 LTS
[18:30] <sudormrf> Actionparsnip, 13.10
[18:30] <sudormrf> :)
[18:30] <sudormrf> will do.  :D.  already grabbed the ISO, installing to a VM.
[18:30] <SteveBell> so if I update to a release I get offered via -d command, am I on the development channel? or is that a one time thing?
[18:30] <Actionparsnip> Sudormrf: you can boot install cd and upgrade
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> jdavis: Simply run the installer from the 14.04 image again. The username needs to be the SAME as the one you used for your 13.10 install.
[18:31] <husker> jdavis: I think you may overridden the 13.10
[18:31] <sudormrf> Actionparsnip, I can wait.  was just curious if there was a delay.  fine if there is :D
[18:31] <SonikkuAmerica> sudormrf: What Actionparsnip said too
[18:31] <husker> I think best is pray for backup and install from DVD the 14.04
[18:31] <jdavis> SonikkuAmerica: it no longer has the upgrade option though
[18:31] <Actionparsnip> Jdavis: omgubuntu has a guide called " sticking it to Grub " will help you chroot from liveCD and repair grub
[18:31] <dusf123_> everyone should backup with clonezilla before upgrading
[18:31] <dusf123_> ubuntu upgrades tend to break sound etc
[18:31] <jdavis> Actionparsnip: thank you, I will look at that.
[18:31] <Andy80> http://askubuntu.com/questions/12909/how-do-i-upgrade-to-the-development-release-aka-ubuntu1
[18:32] <Andy80> yeah it's update-manager -d
[18:32] <Andy80> why the hell doesn't work
[18:32] <Actionparsnip> dusf123_: why clonezilla? I've been using rsync + cron for over ten years now...
[18:32] <k1l> Andy80: wait for the mirrors to sync
[18:32] <Andy80> mirror.....
[18:32] <Andy80> ok... I will pick the main one
[18:32] <dusf123_> Actionparsnip: never tried rsync, though i do like the automization of cron
[18:33] <Actionparsnip> Andy80: yes the servers you get packages from
[18:33] <Andy80> I'm sorry ;)
[18:33] <Andy80> Actionparsnip, yeah I know :D
[18:33] <SteveBell> well if the mirrors need synching is there any option to change to a mirror that has 14.04 already?
[18:33] <varikonniemi> what is the correct md5sum for trusty 64bit?
[18:33] <guesting> daftykins: OK, I removed all vim packages, but it gave an error for dependencies for vim-tiny. I ignored it, reinstalled the packages not from the ppa, and all is fine (I think)!! However, I don't know what to do now because I need vim 7.4 but it has 7.3, so I don't even know where the dependency issue was anyways...
[18:33] <k1l> guys, relax.
[18:33] <Actionparsnip> Andy80: then why the question?
[18:33] <Andy80> SteveBell, switch to the main one. It's not 100% fair, but..... it works :P
[18:33] <islandmonkey> Where is the main server located?
[18:33] <Actionparsnip> !hashes
[18:33] <Whereis1404> dccff28314d9ae4ed262cfc6f35e5153
[18:34] <Andy80> Actionparsnip, it was not a question it was a "oh... the mirror.... right! let me use the main one"
[18:34] <Actionparsnip> islandmonkey: ping it the use ip to location online check
[18:34] <Whereis1404> the md5 for trusty tahr 64bit
[18:34] <Whereis1404> desktop
[18:34] <daftykins> guesting: sadly if that's the latest you're offered from the official repos, that's the newest you're likely to get on that given distro version
[18:34] <debabrata1> should i start downloading the iso right now... or just wait...
[18:35] <k1l> debabrata1: best would be to use the torrents
[18:35] <varikonniemi> Whereis1404, dccff28314d9ae4ed262cfc6f35e5153
[18:35] <Andy80> it worked ;)
[18:35] <varikonniemi> torrent downloaded from ubuntu tracker
[18:35] <guesting> daftykins: I could always update the server to 14.04...but updating without reinstalling scares the heck out of me
[18:35] <Andy80> damn it... I really didn't remember I was using the UK mirror
[18:35] <jdavis> Wow, looks like the installer already wiped out /bin and a bunch of other stuff from the drive I wanted to upgrade :(    I don't think reinstalling grub will help :(
[18:35] <debabrata1> thanks..
[18:36] <phuh> Is Juju useful
[18:37] <Actionparsnip> Jdavis: then I'd wipe clean and reinstall with Trusty
[18:37]  * jdavis is very disappointed in ubuntu for such a bad upgrade path... it asks me a confusing question *after* it already killed the previous install, and then quitting apparently leaves it in an inconsistent state :(
[18:37] <daftykins> guesting: i guess it can't be too serious of a production machine if you're using editors on it :D
[18:37] <Dinosaurio> how to update from 12.04 to 14.04 from update-manager?
[18:37] <Actionparsnip> Jdavis : you can restore your user data from backup
[18:37] <mamar_> lol
[18:37] <jdavis> Actionparsnip: yeah, I think I'll have to
[18:37] <Actionparsnip> Dinosaurio: it won't be offered til 14.04.1
[18:37] <k1l> jdavis: are you sure you didnt run an install?
[18:38] <Guest57512> Actionparsnip: so?
[18:38] <mikeche1en> jdavis: what question?
[18:38] <guesting> daftykins: A serious production machine...with a head haha
[18:38] <Guest57512> Actionparsnip: is there any other way?
[18:38] <ghs> Actionparsnip, But.. why not ?
[18:38] <darius93> jdavis, when you proceed with the installation, it will do that but you shouldve done it via commandline or update util in ubuntu
[18:38] <jdavis> k1l: Yes, but even so, why would it pick the place to install without asking me where first?
[18:38] <Andy80> "fantastic"... the upgrade decides that I won't need wine anymore and it's going to remove it...
[18:38] <Andy80> what the...
[18:39] <mikeche1en> Andy80: its probably the package names changed, just reinstall wine
[18:39] <Actionparsnip> Guest57512: you can install it as the development release or upgrade using the liveCD / USB
[18:39] <k1l> jdavis: i dont know what you did and why you canceld it right in the middle
[18:39] <jdavis> darius93: I realize that now, but I figured starting from the CD would be fine. I downloaded the CD thinking I'd save the ubuntu servers by not downloading it separately for each computer.
[18:39] <mikeche1en> Andy80: none of your config settings should be lost
[18:39] <Whereis1404> Upload home folder to mega.co.nz wait 8 hours til done then wipe and reload hdd with fresh install..then go to bed while downloading home folder ...lol :)
[18:39] <xbmcsteve> is there a simple install script for a bunch of emulators?
[18:39] <torbock> When upgrading php5-cgi, it'll prompt whether to keep current ini or update with package.... I'd like to just automate it to keep current... does anyone know how or can point me in the right direction?
[18:39] <jdavis> k1l: Because it asked me for a username during an upgrade? Upgrade should already know what users are there and I shouldn't have to reenter that.
[18:40] <Actionparsnip> xbmcsteve: if you can name them then it's a single command
[18:40] <Andy80> mikeche1en, I hope the bug/setting that was requiring me the gmail password every time, twice on each boot is fixed. I also remove the account from online accounts but it didn't help, let's see...
[18:40] <darius93> jdavis, did you select upgrade to 14.04?
[18:40] <mamar_> Hello guys
[18:40] <darius93> it may ask for the username and info again but not to sure
[18:40] <jdavis> darius93: Yes. But then when it started asking me to reenter my username and real name and things like that, then I cancelled.
[18:41] <mikeche1en> Andy80: i dont know anything about that issue
[18:41] <Guest57512> Actionparsnip: any way to do it from internet?
[18:41] <konobi> ikonia: did you think of anything while you were mulling it over?
[18:41] <mamar_> When does the new version going out ?
[18:41] <bad63r> its out!
[18:41] <jdavis> In my opinion, upgrade should either ask no questions, or if it does, then quitting/going back should not cause a problem.
[18:41] <bad63r> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[18:42] <bad63r> mamar_, http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[18:42] <Actionparsnip> Guest57512: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[18:42] <mamar_> Ok thx
[18:42] <islandmonkey> This is funny, do-release-upgrade isn't even saying that there's a new release
[18:42] <islandmonkey> ...on main server
[18:42] <Actionparsnip> Guest57512 : I suggest you wait for the first dot release and then upgrade
[18:43] <Actionparsnip> Guest57512 : does the current install currently work ok?
[18:44] <zcheng3> i am currently running 13.10, am I going to lose everything if I upgrade from it to 14.04?
[18:45] <Guest57512> Actionparsnip: and how to know if I'm getting updated to 12.10 or 14.04 via that command?
[18:45] <Viccie_> zcheng3: no
[18:45] <Viccie_> If you want to be safe, create a copy of your /home dir (backups are never a bad idea)
[18:46] <zcheng3> say since I have some other desktop manager installed and the unity is broken, after upgrading, will unity work?
[18:47] <Actionparsnip> Guest57512 : because the OS will say. Technically to your current OS Trusty is still development.  The -d option on update-manager says you want to upgrade to the development release
[18:47] <haikal> hey
[18:47] <mikeche1en> zcheng3: depends what the problem is with unity
[18:47] <ptrk> can upgrading through update-manager corrupt NTSF partition where Win 8.1 is??
[18:47] <aeroraver> i'm gonna setup a dualboot on my laptop, it's a newer model with eufi or uefi, is there something i have to do or take into a ccount?
[18:47] <Actionparsnip> Viccie_: /etc is good to backup too
[18:47] <mikeche1en> !uefi
[18:47] <Viccie_> true .. good advice
[18:47] <ptrk> can upgrading through update-manager corrupt NTSF partition where Win 8.1 is??
[18:48] <WiredSlash> bekks: u there ?
[18:48] <Actionparsnip> Ptrk: no it will only update the Ubuntu OS. Its not vert dissimilar to regular updates.  You did those without issue right....
[18:48] <WiredSlash> Ubuntu 14.04 released now ??
[18:48] <Whereis1404> yes
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> lol Whereis1404 @ nick
[18:49] <WiredSlash> are you sure ?
[18:49] <Aurvandill> ptrk why should it do? it just update the ubuntu on the other partition? but i'm not sure
[18:49] <Aurvandill> yeha it released
[18:49] <Whereis1404> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[18:49] <junka> !isitout
[18:49] <Aurvandill> !Trusty
[18:49] <SonikkuAmerica> WiredSlash: http://ubottu.com/y/dl
[18:49] <ptrk> Actionparsnip its my first update (i use 13.10 now), some people are talking about backup, so i am just asking
[18:50] <knc_> Using 14.04 final and everything good for now :)
[18:50] <Viccie_> but ptrk you've beem updating your system all the time probably.. this one's just a bit bigger :)
[18:51] <Arceye> how can I tell if I currently have 32 or 64bit xubuntu ?
[18:51] <penth> uname -a
[18:51] <Viccie_> do a 'uname -a' in terminal
[18:51] <ptrk> ok so its not like Win7 => Win8
[18:52] <guesting> daftykins: All is well and good! Thank you for your help!
[18:52] <c3l> Arceye:  "uname -a" and look for x86_64, if you see that you have 64 bit system
[18:52] <Viccie_> no ... but nevertheless... backups are never a bad idea...
[18:53] <Arceye> I see athlon i686
[18:53] <raandemam> here: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/skins2/ => 2011? => Is not there any new skin?1
[18:53] <debabrata1> does anybody know about elementary os?
[18:53] <raandemam> new skins for VLC 2.x?!
[18:53] <c3l> Arceye:  then you have 32 bit system
[18:54] <Viccie_> Elementary is what it says..... sleak and fast
[18:54] <ptrk> also can I install Ubuntu on a M.2 (NGFF) SSD? like this one - http://www.amazon.com/MyDigitalSSD-Super-Cache-Solid-State/dp/B00EZ2E8NO
[18:55] <debabrata1> then why shouldn't i choose elementary instead of ubuntu, especially because of privacy concerns..?
[18:55] <raandemam> Arceye: a 32 OS is different to a 32 machine. install cpu-g for datailes
[18:55] <cr33p> Hi,, i was wondering i could install internet explorer in my ubuntu install
[18:55] <cr33p> pls,, help me
[18:55] <cr33p> thanks
[18:55] <debabrata1> cr33p, lol
[18:55] <Arceye> raandemam, thanks ,   next question is should I get 32 or 64 bit ?  current system is amd athlon64 3700+ with 2GB ram ?
[18:55] <Viccie_> why would you want that?
[18:55] <dooglus_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/190425/how-to-install-internet-explorer-multiple-versions
[18:56] <debabrata1> i don't feel secure in ubuntu..
[18:56] <cr33p> haha
[18:56] <beanjo55> does anyone know how to get the update manager to show that 14.04 is avalible for upgrade? if I use the command it says it will upgrade to the development version
[18:56] <raandemam> Arceye: Install a 64 bit OS on a 64 bit Machine :)
[18:56] <Viccie_> than don't use IE :) too
[18:56] <Beldar> debabrata1, there is no more safety in either OS, it is the users responsibility, however ubuntu has way more support.
[18:56] <Guest50105> Hello! I'm getting "ftu: u: unknown option" and it's driving me nuts any help?
[18:56] <dooglus_> beanjo55: I want to know the same.  I expect it will happen once the mirrors are synced
[18:57] <dooglus_> Guest50105: what's ftu?
[18:57] <Guest50105> *"ftp: u: unknown option"
[18:57] <Arceye> before I go ahead and download the latest xubuntu...  Am I going to need to format machine or does it upgrade ?
[18:57] <Guest50105> dooglus_, sorry I meant FTP
[18:57] <Whereis1404> May as well use 32bit it will be lighter and app deps are better
[18:57] <dooglus_> use scp or similar instead of ftp?
[18:57] <Pici> Guest50105: We need more details.  When do you get that?
[18:57] <raandemam> cr33p, you can use switcher on ff/chrome. they work nifty somewhat
[18:57] <debabrata1> but it feels, ubuntu or the company behind it is always seeing what i do..
[18:58] <Whereis1404> if you are planning on upgrading your ram over 3gig then go with 64bit IMho
[18:58] <raandemam> Hi, Is there any skin for 2.x vesions. As I check this repo:  http://www.videolan.org/vlc/skins2/ all of them are for 2011!
[18:58] <Guest50105> Pici, ftp -u ftp://inbox:spy2054@domain.com/a0dhdbhd5d52/IMG_1008.JPG doc/outfile.jpeg This is the command line I'm trying to run....
[18:58] <dooglus_> debabrata1: https://fixubuntu.com/
[18:59] <debabrata1> i thought for 64 bit you need more then 4gb of ram.
[18:59] <raandemam> Whereis1404: No problem w/ RAM! A 64 bit machine w/ 512 MB ram needs a 64 bit OS
[18:59] <beanjo55> does anyone know wh ythe software updater might not see the 14.04 update if it is synced to the main server?
[18:59] <Beldar> dooglus_, That is garbage, and this can be done easier.
[18:59] <Pici> Guest50105: Did you get that from a tutorial or something?
[19:00] <dooglus_> Guest50105: there's no -u argument for FTP
[19:00] <Arceye> debabrata1, I think important part is , if you have more than 3.3GB ram then 32bit can't use it, so to use it all you need 64bit
[19:00] <Whereis1404> when i ran 64 bit my ram usage was over 600mb standing still
[19:00] <Viccie_> Beldar, like how? Ofcourse you can always switch to Gnome :-)
[19:00] <Risqueto> Anyone know a direct link to Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 ?
[19:00] <djbender> in non-buzzwordy terms, is MAAS just “private cloud software?”
[19:00] <Risqueto> Torrent is ultra slow
[19:00] <Whereis1404> with firefox open close to a gig
[19:00] <Guest50105> Pici, Nope it's the command I'm ussing in mac
[19:00] <Beldar> Viccie_, Like how what, a little context helps.
[19:00] <debabrata1> as far as i know 64bit os use far more ram then 32bit one
[19:01] <Viccie_> Risqueto, not available yet ... so it seems
[19:01] <Whereis1404> yes it does
[19:01] <Guest50105> dooglus_, what option I should use instead of u?
[19:01] <xbmcsteve> anyone know if there are any good multi emulator front ends?
[19:01] <beanjo55> does anyone know wh ythe software updater might not see the 14.04 update if it is synced to the main server?
[19:01] <Risqueto> Viccie_ Ok thanks
[19:01] <dooglus_> Guest50105: try wget ftp://user:pass@site.com/path/etc
[19:01] <Viccie_> restoring privacy, thought you were referring to that...
[19:01] <junka> bean it will later today
[19:01] <raandemam> Arcey: 32bit => bigger than 3.3GB => PAE hook in kernel!
[19:01] <Pici> beanjo55: what release are you runninng currently?
[19:01] <beanjo55> 13.10
[19:01] <dooglus_> Beldar: go ahead?
[19:01] <linux_> when I open software updater it says everything is up to date but doesnt have the message about 14.04 to upgrade. what do I have to do
[19:01] <dooglus_> linux_: wait
[19:02] <SKELET0R> wait
[19:02] <Guest50105> dooglus_, but wget downdloads the file doesn't it? I want to upload it
[19:02] <haikal> okey
[19:02] <Arceye> <-- downloading 32bit xubuntu
[19:02] <Viccie_> but hey if you are worrief about privacy... don't use google, gmail, facebook, twitter, instagram .... INTERNET...
[19:02] <pssalman> why there is no option to download ubuntu server 32 bit from ubuntu.com
[19:02] <Pici> Guest50105: If you're on a mac right now you should be asking mac support.
[19:02] <dooglus_> Guest50105: oh, I see.  I believe lftp lets you specify it all on the command line
[19:02] <Guest50105> dooglus_, but doesn't wget download the content? I want to uploadit
[19:02] <kingbeowolf> anyone know why i can't upgrade to 14.04 yet?
[19:02] <dooglus_> Guest50105: but really you shouldn't be using FTP at all
[19:02] <linux_> dooglus_, SKELET0R , thanks. but to when and why? nobody has that yet? or is that only me?
[19:03] <dooglus_> linux_: I don't have it either
[19:03] <Guest50105> Pici, I'm running linux!
[19:03] <Pici> Guest50105: What does this mean then? <?Guest50105> Pici, Nope it's the command I'm ussing in mac
[19:03] <debabrata1> Viccie_, yeah, you are right too.
[19:03] <linux_> dooglus_, ah ok thanks
[19:03] <sydneyJDykstra> Why do I have to wait till 14.04.1 to upgrade to ubuntu 12.04?
[19:03] <fblucas> :)
[19:03] <dooglus_> linux_: it looks like they emailed out the "it's released" annoucement before updating the mirrors
[19:03] <DJJeff> the file /etc/update-motd.d/91-release-upgrade is bugging out on line 4 when logging in via TTY1-6 (ctrl+alt+1)
[19:03] <sydneyJDykstra> kingbeowolf: What version are you using?
[19:04] <k1l> masoudborbor: wait untill your mirrors are synced
[19:04] <Guest50105> Pici, well I developed some scripts in mac but not I need to embebed the code in a beagleboard....
[19:04] <masoudborbor> tx
[19:04] <Viccie_> sydneyJDykstra, then the few bugs that might be found when the masses are using Trusty will be fixed
[19:04] <Pici> sydneyJDykstra: you don't *need* to wait, but that is the default choice to prevent any unexpected things from breaking your server.
[19:04] <DJJeff> kingbeowolf: try putting trusty in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:04] <blez> damn, ubuntu 14 doesn't work well on parallels
[19:04] <blez> it runs at 800x600
[19:04] <Risqueto> At this rate Ill be upgrading tomorrow...
[19:04] <kingbeowolf> DJ_Unibob im running 13.10
[19:04] <Pici> DJJeff: Please do not suggest that.
[19:05] <sydneyJDykstra> oh,ok. I don't want to break my system. When is 14.04.1 scheduled to come out?
[19:05] <Vantage1313> Hi, I have a Dell XPS 13 and update manager just installed a package called "manage-distro-upgrade" which disables prompting/upgrading to the new LTS. Is there a reason a not to do the upgrade on the XPS 13? Why does this package exist/get installed?
[19:05] <DJJeff> Pici and why not?
[19:05] <rpcesar> ok, really weird question. not sure if this is ubuntu specific (running 13.1) but ive just been dabbling in some X11 programming recently, and im noticing an inconsistancy that I think may be to do with ubuntus unity. That is , when I GetWindowProperty for WM_NAME atom, im NOT getting the title of the windows, but something else generic to the application (like a module name)
[19:05]  * DJ_Unibob doesn't think he was meant to be highlighted.  :p
[19:05] <syntroPi> blez, try https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[19:05] <Viccie_> Thought something July-ish
[19:06] <Pici> DJJeff: Because that is a sure way to break your install.  the do-release-upgrade/update-manager process does a bunch more things than just changing the apt sources.
[19:06] <Vantage1313> The description of the package reads " This package will disable upgrade for OEM."
[19:06] <Whereis1404> Dykstra, it's out now Bro  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[19:06] <elichai2_> hey error:
[19:06] <elichai2_> http://picpaste.com/IMG_20140417_181616-rN5dj7rv.jpg
[19:06] <rpcesar> I was under the impression that the DM uses WM_NAME (always) to render titlebars (which are not custom). yet these do not line up.
[19:06] <elichai2_> and when i try getting into live cd and mount my partition(encrypted)
[19:06] <elichai2_> i get this:
[19:06] <Pici> Whereis1404: 14.04 is not the same as 14.04.1
[19:07] <elichai2_>  http://pastebin.com/pNRwfJDU
[19:07] <Viccie_> For servers it probably better to wait for the point release.
[19:07] <dmd-> When will do-release-upgrade start working? It still says "No new release found"
[19:07] <kingbeowolf> dmd- same thing here
[19:08] <DesTrOiEr> ola
[19:08] <k1l> dmd-: kingbeowolf wait untill your servers/mirrors are synced
[19:08] <DesTrOiEr> ola
[19:09] <sydneyJDykstra> Will they fix the noveau drivers for 14.04.1?
[19:09] <k1l> sydneyJDykstra: did you file a bug?
[19:09] <sydneyJDykstra> No I did not.
[19:09] <Programmer_> !isitout
[19:09] <Programmer_> YESSSSS
[19:10] <k1l> sydneyJDykstra: so how should they fix something that they dont know its broken?
[19:10] <dmd-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit/+bug/1300460  I wish someone would fix things they DO know are broken :)
[19:10] <DesTrOiEr> Alguem do Brasil?
[19:10] <SthNotTaken> I want to setup a cronjob for Ubuntu 12.04. I think it should be written:  */5 * * * * [path to PHP] [path to *.php]. How can I discover the path to PHP?
[19:10] <k1l> !br | DesTrOiEr
[19:10] <_2_Beyonka> Hey
[19:11] <_2_Beyonka> Whatz up
[19:11] <k1l> dmd-: just help fixing it :) it helps the whole community
[19:11] <sydneyJDykstra> ^Shrug^ I have to use nomodeset when I boot from a flashdrive,and it is just this version of ubuntu that has this problem. I have not tried it since they released it though,I tested it using the beta.
[19:11] <_2_Beyonka> :D
[19:12] <elichai2_> any one?
[19:12] <elichai2_> http://picpaste.com/IMG_20140417_181616-rN5dj7rv.jpg
[19:12] <elichai2_> and when i try getting into live cd and mount my partition(encrypted)
[19:12] <phunyguy> SthNotTaken: `which php1`
[19:12] <elichai2_> i get this:
[19:12] <elichai2_>  http://pastebin.com/pNRwfJDU
[19:12] <hplc> is it safe to erase files marked "dangling symlink"?
[19:12] <SthNotTaken> phunyguy: thanks... but why not php5?
[19:12] <masoudborbor> how can  I find when my mirrors are up to date so I can upgrade to 14.04? any way other than checking software updater over and over?
[19:12] <phunyguy> well that's up to you
[19:13] <SthNotTaken> phunyguy: thanks again
[19:13] <phunyguy> masoudborbor: are you on 13.10?
[19:13] <masoudborbor> phunyguy, yes
[19:13] <k1l> masoudborbor: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[19:13] <phunyguy> k... then just be patient.
[19:13] <ChibaPet> So, the Ubuntu front page says 14.04 has support for HiDPI screens, and I'm curious if there's somewhere I can read about this. I didn't see anything explicitly about it in the tour.
[19:14] <masoudborbor> phunyguy, oh thank u very much
[19:14] <Beldar> masoudborbor, The servers will be running hard, so be careful so close to the release. Are you backed up?
[19:14] <elichai2_> please?
[19:14] <elichai2_> anyone?
[19:14] <phunyguy> elichai2_: you should be patient also :)
[19:14] <pjc> My software updater doesn't seem to give me the ability to update to 14.04
[19:14] <k1l> pjc: patience, wait until your servers are synced
[19:15] <Programmer_> if i uninstalled muon, can i still get 14.04 through dist-upgrade?
[19:15] <unitraxx> pjc: I think they do that on purpose so that not everyone starts downloading at the same time
[19:15] <Beldar> pjc, It's not been released, you can set the upgrade calls in software sources.
[19:15] <k1l> Programmer_: do-release-upgrade
[19:15] <phunyguy> elichai2_: what is that a picture of?
[19:15] <ChibaPet> http://www.ubuntu.com/search?q=hidpi turns up nothing
[19:15] <Beldar> Programmer_, dist-upgrade is not a OS upgrade
[19:15] <elichai2_> phunyguy: the error i get when i boot
[19:15] <emma_> Hi, so i've just installed 14.04 on an 120GB SSD, with two partitions on it, 20GB mounted as / and 100GB mounted as /home. However, when booting it simply loads a black screen with a purple border (grub). If I try and load into recovery mode, I get to BusyBox shell. Any ideas?
[19:15] <Programmer_> how is that different from dist-upgrade?
[19:15] <Programmer_> oh, what is it?
[19:15] <sydneyJDykstra> Is this where I report it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:15] <pjc> ok, guess am just anxious, running on macbook-pro, and interested to see what the new hi-def support is :)
[19:16] <phunyguy> elichai2_: did you boot to a livecd to try to fix that error?
[19:16] <masoudborbor> Beldar, yes I am backed up :)
[19:16] <k1l> Programmer_: that is different from debian
[19:16] <Beldar> masoudborbor, cool. ;)
[19:16] <k1l> !bug | sydneyJDykstra
[19:16] <Programmer_> o
[19:16] <masoudborbor> Beldar, cant wait for the new LTS
[19:16] <elichai2_> yeah, that were i got the second error
[19:16] <phunyguy> elichai2_: it appears like bad hardware.... maybe try to reseat SATA cable?
[19:16] <elichai2_> phunyguy: (the one in pastebin)
[19:16] <Programmer_> so dist-upgrade upgrades OS in debian?
[19:16] <elichai2_> it's laptop
[19:17] <Beldar> masoudborbor, Many seem to be excited, let us know if you need support here. ;)
[19:17] <phunyguy> I/O errors are usually not good news.
[19:17] <vice_> Anyone got it on a samsung ultrabook?
[19:17] <k1l> !upgrade | Programmer_
[19:17] <masoudborbor> Beldar, sure thanks
[19:17] <sudormrf> Actionparsnip1, well it looks like I spoke too soon about my script earlier.  I just got 6 notifications for one file :S
[19:17] <phunyguy> elichai2_: did you drop this laptop?
[19:17] <sudormrf> Actionparsnip1, so it is working, but not working correctly
[19:17] <phunyguy> elichai2_: your hard drive appears to be not working
[19:17] <Programmer_> im on kubuntu
[19:17] <urda> release day is best day!
[19:17] <elichai2_> phunyguy: no!
[19:18] <Pici> Programmer_: You can use do-release-upgrade to upgrade to a new release.
[19:18] <elichai2_> phunyguy: really?
[19:18] <Programmer_> ok
[19:18] <phunyguy> elichai2_: like I said, I/O errors are never good.
[19:18] <tgm4883> Programmer_, dist-upgrade allows apt to install new packages. It does not upgrade to a new release
[19:18] <wisescribe7> How can I install Ubuntu 14.04 from Ubuntu 13.10?
[19:18] <sudormrf> serious question, how can I stop getting "more suggestions" in the dash.  I already unchecked everything in the filter results :S
[19:18] <Beldar> wisescribe7, Upgrade when 14.04 is released.
[19:18] <Programmer_> so how is dist-upgrade different from upgrade? are they the same?
[19:18] <litropy> I'm running 13.10 64-bit. If I drag and drop too quickly libnux segfaults and Unity has to reset. dmesg: [182785.303105] compiz[4880]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ff0445b53e7 sp 00007fff85b0b8d0 error 4 in libnux-4.0.so.0.3.0[7ff0444bd000+185000]
[19:18] <phunyguy> wisescribe7: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors when the mirror you use for updates appears up to date here, then you can probably do it
[19:18] <sudormrf> nm figured it out
[19:19] <tgm4883> Programmer_, upgrade doesn't install new packages
[19:19] <k1l> Programmer_: no. please read in documentation what dist-upgrade does
[19:19] <Programmer_> link?
[19:19] <elichai2_> phunyguy: but my unencrypted partition does work!
[19:19] <phunyguy> !apt
[19:19] <wisescribe7> Beldar: Isn't it already released?
[19:19] <masoudborbor> wisescribe7, here is an easy short guide http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
[19:19] <phunyguy> elichai2_: oh encrypted...
[19:19] <Programmer_> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[19:19] <Programmer_> No new release found
[19:19] <Programmer_> wtf
[19:19] <Beldar> wisescribe7, I believe we are right on it about to be worldwide.
[19:19] <phunyguy> elichai2_: I do not have experience with encryption....
[19:19] <wisescribe7> I should have made my question clearer: I can't upgrade to 14.04 while inside 13.10
[19:20] <Pici> Beldar: It already has been released.
[19:20] <k1l> Programmer_: wait for the servers to get synced.
[19:20] <phunyguy> wisescribe7: yes.
[19:20] <wisescribe7> I'm not looking to install via downloading and burning
[19:20] <john_rambo> Someone please tell me which version of KeePassX is included in the 14.04 repos
[19:20] <Beldar> Pici, Cool I was wondering, thanks.
[19:20] <Programmer_> o...any idea how long that will take?
[19:20] <ldcicconi> I upgraded to 14.04, and on restart, the partition seems to be completely gone??
[19:20] <phunyguy> wisescribe7: when the mirror you use gets updated, do-release-upgrade should work.  Just be patient
[19:20] <dw1> wisescribe7: sudo do-release-upgrade -- if that doesn't work try adding -d
[19:20] <phunyguy> I would not recommend using the -d option
[19:20] <dw1> wisescribe7: or look in update-manager with the appropriate settings
[19:20] <Beldar> wisescribe7, "I can't upgrade to 14.04 while inside 13.10" Is missing details is all.
[19:21] <dw1> phunyguy: k
[19:21] <tgm4883> john_rambo, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=keepassx&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all
[19:21] <ldcicconi> does the ubuntu boot live on a different partition than the actual ubuntu file system?
[19:21] <hypfer> party \o/
[19:21] <sudormrf> would someone like to pick up where Actionparsnip1 left off?  I am using incron to run a script that sends me a push notification.  I added a while loop to wait for the rsync to finish, but it looks like because incron spawns multiple rsync processes I am getting multiple notifications.  any help would be appreciated! :D
[19:21] <urras> Is there any sort of config for notifying of new releases in Ubuntu?
[19:21] <Beldar> ldcicconi, LIve is the disc/usb booted
[19:22] <hypfer> wrong channel
[19:22] <dw1> in 13.10 the screenshots saved automatically without a popup, how can I restore this behaviour lost on upgrade to 14.04?
[19:22] <elichai2_> phunyguy: so? no idea?
[19:22] <phunyguy> elichai2_: sorry, no
[19:22] <ChibaPet> So, HiDPS is one of the two headliner items on the Ubuntu front page, for 14.04, but I can't find anything about it. Can someone point me to things I can read about what Ubuntu is doing to support HiDPS monitors?
[19:22] <sburw> I need help upgrading to 14.04
[19:22] <ldcicconi> Beldar, I ask because I can get to the ubuntu boot screens, but then it says there are serious issues with mounting /
[19:22] <sudormrf> looks like there is a lot of noise because of 14.04...
[19:22] <sburw> From 13.10
[19:22] <phunyguy> elichai2_: it could be a number of things, but the encryption mechanism seems to be failing to mount the encrypted partition.  You can start there
[19:23] <jcapik> Hello guys .... any kernel specialists here?
[19:23] <masoudborbor> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[19:23] <masoudborbor> No new release found
[19:23] <sudormrf> masoudborbor, you need to wait for it to sync
[19:23] <phunyguy> masoudborbor: patience
[19:23] <sudormrf> if 13.10 it can take up to 48 hours
[19:23] <masoudborbor> I am trying to :)
[19:23] <sudormrf> if older release it can take longer
[19:23] <holstein> masoudborbor: be patient as things update
[19:23] <dw1> sburw: you can do it from Software Updater
[19:23] <tgm4883> or upgrade from the ISO
[19:23] <phunyguy> sudormrf: older releases will have to upgrade to 13.10 first
[19:23] <Beldar> ldcicconi, What are you trying to boot?
[19:24] <sudormrf> phunyguy, I am thinking of 12.04
[19:24] <sudormrf> should have specified
[19:24] <phunyguy> sudormrf: and 12.04 will be 3 months.
[19:24] <phunyguy> :)
[19:24] <sudormrf> yep :)
[19:24] <Programmer_> how long before i can upgrade to 14.04? says no release is available
[19:24] <phunyguy> ok folks, I'm taking a break.
[19:24] <ldcicconi> Beldar, ubuntu 14.04. I upgraded from 13.10 earlier today, but upon restart, all hell has broken loose
[19:24] <phunyguy> too many repetitive questions
[19:24] <tgm4883> seriously
[19:25] <sudormrf> agree
[19:25] <sburw> The upgrade hung. I rebooted the system - I couldn't find another solution - and now it seems to refuse my graphics card, etc tells me I'm in low graphics mode.
[19:25] <sudormrf> so if someone can ignore those and help me out, I would be so appreciative! :D
[19:25] <Beldar> ldcicconi, Ah, well the only we can help is with details. You want to be careful with mixing your imagined fixes with actually getting help.
[19:25] <Guest60182> Just building a fresh install of 14.04, hoping all goes well :)
[19:25] <stinkypoo> sudormrf sburw Why
[19:25] <sudormrf> here is the pastebin of what I am doing http://paste.ubuntu.com/7270202/
[19:25] <dw1> sburw: i had to do sudo apt-get install nvidia-current after upgrade
[19:25] <sasha-> Yop is it normal that I can't update yet via do-release-upgrade ?
[19:25] <dw1> sburw: not good if it hangs part way........
[19:26] <k1l> sasha-: yes, if on 13.10 wait until the servers got synced
[19:26] <eflynn> wehn
[19:26] <ldcicconi> hmm this is odd. my files are accessible in wubi?
[19:26] <eflynn> can i do do-release-upgrade -d?
[19:26] <sasha-> Ok, and it is better to do a fresh install or am I safe just upgrading?
[19:26] <john_rambo> Okay I am gettinga bit worried here....I am not upgrading ...I will be doing a clean install of 14.04.....Are there any issues with that ?
[19:27] <anshulk> sasha-, you're on 13.10 ?
[19:27] <tgm4883> john_rambo, did you really just ask if there are any issues with a clean install?
[19:27] <sasha-> yeah
[19:27] <tnk> Can anyone help me get sound working on ubuntu 13.10????
[19:27] <masoudborbor> somebody  please would tell us about that -d swith in do-release-upgrade?
[19:27] <sburw> stinkypoo	how can I get the rest to complete? I tried to go command-line. That works, but what command would work? How can I configure the video?
[19:27] <sudormrf> I understand the issue, just not the solution.  when incron is running it spawns more than one rsync process.  when each rsync process completes, it executes the script.  the goal would be for it to execute the script after the file is copied by rsync...any ideas how I can accomplish this?
[19:27] <holstein> !audio | tnk
[19:27] <anshulk> I upgraded, and it worked great, sasha-
[19:27] <Ovetum> how install in "Terminal" ??
[19:27] <Ovetum> ubuntu 14
[19:27] <dw1> eflynn: if you do update-manager -d it might be safer because it should prompt you on what to install
[19:27] <tnk> holstein, I've tried everything in that guide as well as reloading alsa, pulse, snd module for intel, and more.....
[19:28] <debabrata> why the size of iso is different in direct download and torrent?
[19:28] <dw1> eflynn: not sure do-release-upgrade has that
[19:28] <anshulk> !install
[19:28] <sasha-> anshulk: yeah but I kinda messed up my system quite a bit. It also required extensive config for it to work in the first place (it's a macbook 4,2)
[19:28] <masoudborbor> Ovetum, sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:28] <k1l> eflynn: its your call, but its not recomended. see the man page
[19:28] <john_rambo> tgm4883, Coz someone a fw mins back asked something related to kernel ......I had a togh time with using the last available kernel in Beta2
[19:28] <holstein> tnk: sure.. and it may not work.. i usually try live CD"s and see if one just works, but you should also test the hardware and make sure its functioning
[19:28] <anshulk> sasha-, fresh install is always the best if you've not got lot to loose
[19:29] <sudormrf> too much noise in here :S
[19:29] <tgm4883> john_rambo, I'm not even sure how to answer that question.
[19:29] <sasha-> anshulk: ok that's what I'll do
[19:29] <tnk> holstein, hardware functions fine.. worked just before upgrade to 13.10 from 12.04.. works in image kernel 3 0 11 19.. but not 3 0 11 20..
[19:29] <tnk> holstein, all i see is dummy sound output in the sound settings - many people have encountered this problem, but it appears the solution is different each time
[19:29] <beanjo55> are most people being unable to use software updater to go to 14.04 using 13.10?
[19:29] <anshulk> sasha-, just trust tahr
[19:29] <anshulk> beanjo55, I was
[19:29] <sasha-> haha
[19:29] <tnk> anyone good with audio, i need your help
[19:30] <tgm4883> beanjo55, yes, that hasn't been turned on yet
[19:30] <holstein> tnk: i would just 12.04, since its still supported, or build in support in what you please, if possible
[19:30] <tnk> holstein, how can i roll back from 13.10 now?
[19:31] <sburw> beanjo	55, I'm trying to upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04
[19:31] <cmack> I downloaded the new 14.04lts iso (congrats) and am booting with USB disk, hoping to upgrade from 13.10...but I never get prompted for upgrade path, all it seems to want to do is 'from scratch.' Is there not a way to upgrade with the iso image / usb boot disk?
[19:31] <sudormrf> here is the pastebin of what I am doing http://paste.ubuntu.com/7270202/ my pushover notifications are getting spammed though.  I understand why, just not how to fix it.  anyone around to have a look? :D
[19:31] <debabrata> i am using 12.04... is it possible to update directly to 14.04?
[19:31] <holstein> tnk: a fresh install
[19:31] <holstein> debabrata: yes
[19:31] <tnk> holstein, maybe i should jsut upgrade to 14 and see if i have luck..
[19:31] <dw1> beanjo55: supposedly some sync issues with the updater.  you can try update-manager -d which should prompt you to upgrade but its not officially recommended
[19:31] <holstein> tnk: i would try a live CD and see
[19:31] <k1l> debabrata: no. wait until 14.04 will be 14.04.1
[19:31] <k1l> holstein: the LTS to LTS upgrade path will be opened with 14.04.1
[19:32] <debabrata> thanks holstein
[19:32] <holstein> k1l: cool.. cheers
[19:32] <emma_> Hi, so i've just installed 14.04 on an 120GB SSD, with two partitions on it, 20GB mounted as / and 100GB mounted as /home. However, when booting it simply loads a black screen with a purple border (grub). If I try and load into recovery mode, I get to BusyBox shell. Any ideas?
[19:33] <debabrata> but why k1l? is there any problem?
[19:33] <lxgr> k1l: is there a way to upgrade 12.04 to 14.04 without waiting for 14.04.1?
[19:33] <tnk> holstein, i will make a live of 14, and try it.. do you know if you can upgrade from 13.10 32bit to 14 64bit without a fresh install?
[19:33] <dw1> emma_: ctrl-alt-F1 might get you to a prompt where you might install a video driver or something
[19:33] <k1l> debabrata: no, its every time with the LTS. 14.04 will become LTS when it gets its .1 release
[19:33] <tgm4883> debabrata, because of policy
[19:33] <urda> tnk: Don't think so, you can't go from 32bit to 64bit without a full wipe and re-install
[19:33] <dw1> emma_: and you may be able to check error msgs
[19:34] <k1l> debabrata: if you want a stable release (LTS) that is a fair process.
[19:34] <debabrata> oh, thanks for that info.. will wait..
[19:34] <emma_> dw1: It says something about not finding the drive by UUID. But I checked and it's the correct one
[19:34] <emma_> I
[19:35] <k1l> lxgr: there are. but if you decide to use a LTS you will want to wait until 14.04 is settled and is going to 14.04.1
[19:36] <emma_> dw1: Do you think it might be an issue when installing Ubuntu on a partitioned drive? Do I need to select the specific partition mounter as '/'
[19:36] <tnk> holstein, you know why i get a thousand systemd errors for "failed to execute... connect to socket" in upstart of the system with this release..?
[19:36] <emma_> to have grub on it. Rather than just sda?
[19:36] <lxgr> k1l: ok, i guess i'll stick with 12.04 on my server until then. this will be in 3 months, right? and a desktop currently on 13.10 will get 14.04 as soon as it's released?
[19:36] <emma_> (which is the default)
[19:37] <Exagone313> grub should be on first partition (no ?)
[19:37] <k1l> lxgr: yes, good decision. 13.10 will get the update notify when your repo servers are synced
[19:37] <lxgr> k1l: thanks!
[19:37] <dw1> emma_: this guy says it was possibly a bad drive. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2068773 :-/
[19:37] <holstein> tnk: not without more troubleshooting.. but, i would try a 14.04 live CD and see how it performs
[19:38] <Bashing-om> emma_: Looks to me like the boorloaser is nor found, Is ubuntu the onlu OS installed onto the machine ? Then ye,s install grub to the hard drive's MBR (sda).
[19:38] <john_rambo> dw1, The same thing happed with me with 14.04 the last time I updated it...
[19:38] <dw1> emma_: i googled "ubuntu purple screen on boot UUID"
[19:38] <dw1> john_rambo: hmm
[19:38] <Programmer_> Why does ubuntu not release updates for things like wireshark, until a OS upgrade?
[19:38] <dw1> john_rambo: tell emma how you fixed it :p
[19:38] <Bashing-om> boot loader
[19:39] <emma_> dw1: Bashing-om: Ubuntu is the only OS. This SSD was working with 13.10 an hour ago. It has 2 bad sectors which is fine for an SSD.
[19:39] <emma_> Do I need a dedicated boot partition?
[19:39] <john_rambo> dw1, I didnt....installled 12.04.....thoght once the final release will be free of this bug
[19:39] <jhutchins> emma_: No.
[19:39] <ubuntju> Hi, I'm currently running 12.04 LTS, and I'm trying to upgrade it to 14.04. However, in update-manager, why don't I see the notification about the new version?
[19:39] <jhutchins> emma_: Unless you know a reason otherwise, I recommend a single partition + swap.
[19:39] <cr33p> emma_: you need your mout dedicated to my cock
[19:40] <k1l> ubuntju: the LTS to LTS upgrade is opened when 14.04 will become 14.04.1
[19:40] <dw1> cr33p: not cool bro... and now youll be banned im sure :p
[19:40] <Jordan_U> emma_: Can you run "cat /proc/partitions" from the busybox shell and take a picture of, or transcribe the output?
[19:40] <emma_> jhutchins: It's an SSD, no swap.
[19:40] <emma_> Jordan_U: Yeah, give me a minute to boot into it
[19:40] <ubuntju> k1l: Thanks! In this case, do you think I should just wait for 14.04.1?
[19:40] <AndroUser> cr33p how does that relate to Ubuntu?
[19:40] <Briuie> bye
[19:41] <eflynn> does 14.04 work ok with docker
[19:41] <jhutchins> emma_: Do you want to be able to suspend to disk?
[19:41] <k1l> ubuntju: yes. if you use a LTS you want 14.04 to settle first
[19:41] <ubuntju> k1l: Gotcha. Thanks!
[19:41] <Bashing-om> emma_: A dedicated boot partition use has been depreciated for the longest, unless there is a donstrated need to go that route, no, install to the MBR. To assist further I would want to see what we are working with -> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit <- .
[19:42] <emma_> jhutchins: Suspend works. It saves session to RAM. Hibernate doesn't, and that's fine because it shortens the life of an SSD. Thanks though
[19:43] <AndroUser> So, anyone wanna help me? I need to configure video in 14.04
[19:43] <JuneBUG> ooo  bun 2
[19:43] <k1l> !hashes
[19:44] <vanderson> Someone knows why when I try to execute update-manager -d in Ubuntu 13.10 I get to following error: OSError: Can not execute '/tmp/ubuntu-release-upgrader-zpif6j/trusty'
[19:44] <Guest95367> ho
[19:44] <Guest95367> hello
[19:44] <emma_> Jordan_U: It just says "major minor #blocks name"
[19:44] <Jordan_U> emma_: I think you'll find that your kernel isn't able to access your SSD at all, for whatever reason. If "cat /proc/partitions" doesn't show your SSD and its partitions, the next step would be to run "dmesg" to see if there are any errors from the kernel that might explain why.
[19:45] <xentity1x> is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut for a program that can check if the program is open, and if it is maximizes the window instead of opening another instance of the program
[19:45] <debabrata> thanks ubottu for the link
[19:45] <JuneBUG> You Butt Gnu
[19:45] <dw1> vanderson: try sudo mount -o remount,exec /tmp
[19:45] <Jordan_U> JuneBUG: Do you have anything productive to contribute to this channel?
[19:45] <JuneBUG> lol
[19:45] <JuneBUG> sure
[19:45] <JuneBUG> if someone asks
[19:45] <JuneBUG> or If I see someone who I can help
[19:46] <Jordan_U> JuneBUG: Please avoid cluttering the channel to offtopic comments until then.
[19:46] <Jordan_U> s/to/with/
[19:46] <JuneBUG> I thought ubuntu jokes is helpful to cheer someone up ;-)
[19:46] <dw1> xentity1x: might be a tough one
[19:46] <NosecuentA> Hi guys
[19:46] <NosecuentA> Can anybody help me with my ati hd 2400 pro in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[19:46] <marcos21> hello every one a new person here
[19:46] <emma_> Jordan_U: dmesg just prints everything that ran until the error. Not the error itself. The last thing was "Switched to clocksource tsc"
[19:46] <JuneBUG> Hi Marcos
[19:46] <crimsondusk> JuneBUG, this is a support channel, in support channels a relevant answer is more likely to cheer someone up than a joke
[19:46] <marcos21> a newbie on the ubuntu
[19:47] <JuneBUG> crimsondusk  ok
[19:47] <Jordan_U> emma_: That command lists all of the drives and partitions that your kernel can access at the moment, which is unfortunately none :(
[19:47] <Iniesta8> welcome
[19:47] <NosecuentA> I'm having a lot of troubles with it
[19:47] <dw1> xentity1x: can you write a small script
[19:47] <marcos21> anyone willing to help ?
[19:47] <JuneBUG> marcos21  what ubuntu you got?
[19:47] <salsero|2> marcos21: just ask
[19:47] <marcos21> 12.04 lts
[19:47] <NosecuentA> :(
[19:47] <emma_> Jordan_U: When I boot into the live USB I can see the drives. Any idea how to go about fixing this?
[19:47] <xentity1x> dwl, yeah i guess i'll have to write my own script
[19:47] <JuneBUG> ahh
[19:48] <dw1> xentity1x: if so, i would check if the program is running with ps, then use the suggestion here to send a maximize keystroke to the window http://askubuntu.com/questions/384736/how-do-i-maximize-an-already-open-gnome-terminal-window-from-command-line
[19:48] <NosecuentA> Hey
[19:48] <WiredSlash> Windows 8.1 vs Ubuntu 14.04 , who wins ??
[19:48] <JuneBUG> what do you need help with marcos21
[19:48] <crimsondusk> marcos21, trying to upgrade?
[19:48] <vanderson> dw1, it worked. Thank you
[19:48] <debabrata> untill now, i had to use wvdial instead of the default gui to connect my cdma broadband modem. I had also tested the same device in fedora20. here it works smoothly. will it work in 14.04?
[19:48] <tgm4883> !OT | WiredSlash
[19:48] <xentity1x> dwl, ps?
[19:48] <NosecuentA> can anybody help me please?
[19:48] <tgm4883> !ask | NosecuentA
[19:48] <dw1> xentity1x: yeah... the terminal process lister
[19:49] <holstein> NosecuentA: ideally the manufacturer would, but you can try the PPA's that the steam community suggest
[19:49] <Jordan_U> emma_: That may mean that accessing the drive requires kernel modules that aren't in your initramfs as they should be. How is this SSD connected?
[19:49] <holstein> !steam
[19:49] <dw1> xentity1x: ps | grep <program>
[19:49] <JuneBUG> Marcos21  what do you need help with?
[19:49] <NosecuentA> !patience
[19:49] <Bashing-om> NosecuentA: AMD has dropped support for the 2X/3X/4X series of cards, the better option at this time is to use the open source driver (default).
[19:49] <holstein> NosecuentA: i believe they suggest https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa ,though, ppa's are not oficially supported
[19:49] <xbmcsteve> would it be possible to have snes emulator added to steam and then stream it to steamos in another room?
[19:49] <JuneBUG> NosecuentA  cual es el problema?
[19:50] <emma_> Jordan_U: It's a laptop. It's the main drive, connected with SATA3. I've disconnected my expansion drive which is connected via SATA2 usually instead of the CD-ROM.
[19:50] <NosecuentA> if you enter to amd/ati support website
[19:50] <dw1> xentity1x: ps auxw | grep <program> | grep -v grep
[19:50] <NosecuentA> my card had suport until Ati legacy 13.1
[19:50] <holstein> i agree with the above, and suggest the open driver, but, you can try the close source ones and the ppa, NosecuentA , if you find you would like to troubleshoot further
[19:50] <dw1> xentity1x: | wc -l to count the lines.. if == 1 then its running :)
[19:50] <scipy53> If I have multiple user accounts on my ubuntu machine, do the network wifi settings carry over? Or can they be different for each user
[19:50] <JuneBUG> ok
[19:51] <Arceye> NosecuentA, use the default drivers but don't expect much to work very well, Like internet web pages
[19:51] <NosecuentA> but the problem is that I have Ubuntu 12.04 with Xorg 1.14
[19:51] <oliver_> Does anyone know how to setup a rdp server on lubuntu? I installed xrdp and i used remmina to connect to it, but it comes up with a weird screen (not lxde)...
[19:51] <NosecuentA> and Kernel 3.6
[19:51] <roy1977> irc://irc.openjoke.org/enjoy
[19:51] <betabertus8899> all is calm in the linux universe again for now....
[19:51] <NosecuentA> And the driver (13.1) is up to Xorg 1.12 and Kernel 3.5 :s
[19:51] <salsero|2> scipy53: it depends if the network is configured that way
[19:51] <tgm4883> scipy53, I assume that they can be different, there is a setting for making them available to all users
[19:51] <oliver_> When i say weird, i mean pixels (i think?)
[19:51] <betabertus8899> what is the best? iso image?
[19:51] <scipy53> tgm4883, good to know, thanks
[19:51] <JuneBUG> roy1977  cool :-)
[19:52] <holstein> NosecuentA: the ppa i refernce should help you address that if you like. though, i wouldnt expect any miracles
[19:52] <Bashing-om> NosecuentA: one solution is to revert back to ubuntu release 12.04.1 - that .1 release has the supported xserver version.
[19:52] <NosecuentA> How can i do that?
[19:52] <NosecuentA> I have a Fresh install of 12.04 LTS
[19:53] <roy1977> /irc.openjoke.org/enjoy
[19:53] <somethingrandom> how do i upgrade from 13.10?
[19:53] <marcos21> guys i'm on a 12.04 ubuntu version how can i update to any newer version
[19:54] <sergio-br2> someone here tryied Arista in 14.04?
[19:54] <NosecuentA> Holstein, I will try to the option of Tomasz. I hope that will work for me... I tried to do it in Debian and y have a big issue opening Counter Strike game
[19:54] <marcos21> help is apreciated pm me
[19:54] <Bashing-om> NosecuentA: -> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/ <- . There are other solutions, NOT recommended.
[19:54] <emma_> Jordan_U: Sorry to bug you, but you're one of the few who actually answered and was relevant. Any suggestions for me to try?
[19:54] <k1l> marcos21: wait until 14.04.1 is released.
[19:54] <Bashing-om> NosecuentA: The version/release must be 12.04.1 ...
[19:54] <somethingrandom> do-release-upgrade is not ready :(
[19:55] <Pici> Bashing-om: no...
[19:55] <NosecuentA> but how can I upgrade to that version?
[19:55] <tgm4883> somethingrandom, then wait?
[19:55] <NosecuentA> Because I installed 12.04 LTS
[19:55] <k1l> someone: if on 13.10 wait until your servers are synced
[19:55] <somethingrandom> ya, i guess
[19:55] <k1l> somethingrandom: ^
[19:55] <Pici> NosecuentA: The upgrade path from 12.04 to 14.04 will not be open until 14.04.1 is released in July
[19:55] <Pici> Bashing-om: 14.04.1 not 12.04.1
[19:56] <marcos21> k1l any idea when 14.04 will be released?
[19:56] <jubo2> Hiya FLOSS people Big thanks for your work
[19:56] <NosecuentA> Pici yeah i got it, but we are talking about 12.04 and 12.04.1 version
[19:56] <k1l> marcos21: the 14.04.1 is due on july 24th
[19:56] <jubo2> I've been using Debian for ages but now installed Ubuntu 12 LTS
[19:56] <Pici> NosecuentA: oh, I misread, sorry.
[19:56] <somethingrandom> k1l, you mean it's already on the official ubuntu mirrors? i was using nl.leaseweb.net
[19:56] <NosecuentA> don't worry. You just want to help
[19:56] <jubo2> am I at the worst / stupidest point in time
[19:57] <Bashing-om> Pici: -> NosecuentA : in this instance we are referring to support for an old ATI card. last FGLRX support was release 12.04.1 .
[19:57] <jubo2> I could have the 14 any day now right?
[19:57] <Pici> Bashing-om: yeah, I see that now.  Sorry for any confusion.
[19:57] <k1l> somethingrandom: it got released ~~2hrs ago and is syncing on the ubuntu mirors, yes
[19:57] <jubo2> I saw a notice that it's in a few days a few days ago on Diaspora*
[19:58] <Bashing-om> Pici: NP, all help is appreciated.
[19:58] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, what ATI card?
[19:58] <NosecuentA> Ati HD radeon 2400 Pro
[19:58] <NosecuentA> tgm4883 hd radeon 2400 pro
[20:00] <highrise2357> Hello everyone; I've noticed an error message on the TTY terminals: "timed out waiting for forcewake old ack to clear". It appears updating the kernel should solve this problem, but I already have the latest version of linux-image-generic. (according to Synaptic). I'm currently running Ubuntu 13.10
[20:01] <Enzock> Hi guys, I'm kinda new to linux and thought I'd try 14.04 after reading about it today, but I'm having some real problems with Grub
[20:01] <Enzock> would anybody be able to help me?
[20:01] <somethingrandom> k1l, hmm ok, i'm using nl.archive.ubuntu.com and it still doesn't show :( can you clarify, should i get the update, with an up to date mirror? i looked at this list, but it doesn't list official canonical mirrors: do-release-upgrade
[20:01] <somethingrandom> err https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[20:02] <highrise2357> wait, 14.04 is out?
[20:02] <Enzock> yes
[20:02] <Enzock> I just downloaded it from the front page of ubuntu.com
[20:02] <Jordan_U> emma_: I would recommend first filing a bug report, including an attached copy of your /boot/initramfs-* files from your installed system. Then chroot into your installed system and run "update-initramfs -ck all".
[20:02] <BigE> Hey guys, I've had a problem with gnome-settings-daemon crashing.. found out its xrandr causing the issue. Disabling the plugin via dconf makes gnome-settings-daemon work again, but I'm curious as to what adverse affects disabling the plugin might have on my system in general?
[20:02] <Jordan_U> emma_: Hopefully someone else can help with the details, as I'll be busy for a while.
[20:03] <bad63r> hmm does anyone have problem playing Heroes of Newerth on new ubuntu 14.04?
[20:03] <emma_> Jordan_U: Thanks
[20:03] <highrise2357> hold on, so should I be able to upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 or is it just out on the main page?
[20:03] <t-ask> We do I find a good review explaining the changes of 14.04?
[20:03] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, NosecuentA isn't this card supported on catalyst 13.1? or are you seeing some other support info?
[20:04] <t-ask>  /s/we/were
[20:04] <t-ask> arghs
[20:05] <k1l> somethingrandom: see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[20:05] <Enzock> this is a longer explanation of my problem if anybody is able to help me fix my grub http://askubuntu.com/questions/449214/ubuntu-14-04-lts-broke-my-grub-cant-load-windows?noredirect=1#comment589812_449214
[20:06] <somethingrandom> k1l, that's what i did! it doesn't offer me the ugprade when i do do-release-upgrade, when using archive.ubuntu.com and nl.archive.ubuntu.com :(
[20:06] <highrise2357> Enzock: I think you just need to rebuild your grub
[20:06] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: ATI legacy cards are well supported in open source, it is that FGLRX drivers are not available.
[20:06] <k1l> somethingrandom: which ubuntu are you on exactly?
[20:06] <Enzock> highrise2357: how would I go about doing that? I've not been able to find a concrete guide which covers anything I haven't already tried
[20:06] <highrise2357> Enzock: should be some command for it somewhere--just look up recompile grub or something of the likes
[20:06] <somethingrandom> 13.10 gnome ubuntu
[20:06] <highrise2357> Enzock: unless you already tried that
[20:07] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, thats where I'm confused, he's on 12.04 and FGLRX is 2:13.101-0ubuntu0.0.1 in precise-updates
[20:07] <Enzock> I ran grub-update and it didn't help unfortunately
[20:07] <somethingrandom> ah, maybe they're not ready yet
[20:07] <highrise2357> Enzock: alright, sorry then I have no idea
[20:07] <k1l> somethingrandom: well gnome ubuntu got some trouble in last minute
[20:07] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, granted on a card that old I'd probably just run open source drivers
[20:07] <Enzock> thanks for the idea though highrise2357 :)
[20:08] <highrise2357> Does anyone know why I'm getting the message "timed out waiting for forcewake old ack to clear"?
[20:08] <highrise2357> I'm pretty sure it's a bug that was fixed in a kernel update but it seems my kernel is up to date
[20:08] <somethingrandom> k1l, alright, will wait for them, thank you!
[20:08] <delinquentme> Ok can someone explain what the difference in applications / uses are between compiling form source ... and simply running a binary ?
[20:09] <beanjo55> does anyone have any idea of when update manager will reconise the 14.04 update?
[20:09] <TinCan_Assassin>   Where can I find the system requirements for 14.04?
[20:09] <k1l> beanjo55: if on 13.10 wait for the servers to sync
[20:09] <delinquentme> say in a linux distro ... you download a binary and you can run it ... what reasons would you need to compile it from source?
[20:09] <beanjo55> kll: i use the main server
[20:09] <tgm4883> delinquentme, if you wanted to patch it or audit the code
[20:09] <TinCan_Assassin> beanjo55: If you're going from LTS to LTS it will be in July with the fist point release.
[20:09] <highrise2357> delinquentme: by running a binary, do you mean using an installer or what exactly?
[20:10] <k1l> beanjo55: which ubuntu is that exactly?
[20:10] <Bashing-om> tgm4883:  X-server v1.12 and less has support from AMD (ati) for the FDLRX drivers, the last release with that server version was 12.04.1 ...
[20:10] <beanjo55> kll: 13.1
[20:11] <Elliott18>  Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bitly.com/1gAh6Jy
[20:11] <saschu> Does anyone know whether linuxmint-bd is an official channel?
[20:11] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, the 13.1 drivers support up to 1.13.  12.04 has 2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.14, so as long as he has an updated version of 12.04 then he should be able to instlal it
[20:11] <quasselbg> STOP - there might be a problem with the requested link
[20:12] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, I wouldn't expect an xserver to upgrade versions inside an LTS
[20:12] <JuneBUG> Marcos21 you there?
[20:13] <syntroPi> delinquentme, most programs also offer to adjust the functions they offer with their ./configure and make scripts. Eg. if you need a fuction which is not in the binaries you can just download the src and dependencies and compile it yourself (with optional patches and also you can read what it does (audit), as well as debug the code)
[20:13] <lxgr> the update manager will only recognize 14.04 as soon as the file at http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release is updated, right?
[20:13] <Pici> quasselbg: ?
[20:13] <lxgr> even if the selected mirror already has the 14.04 packages
[20:13] <emma_> saschu: server - irc.spotchat.org, channels #linuxmint-chat and #linuxmint-help
[20:14] <utku> Hello. I can't mount my NTFS partition because "metadata kept in Windows cache". I know that's related to Windows 8's fast-boot stuff but I completely removed Windows and can't fix it from there. ntfs-3g's remove_hiberfile didn't do the trick.
[20:14] <Pici> lxgr: yes
[20:14] <quasselbg> that is write mi adblock
[20:14] <wisescribe7> What is the terminal command to install a new Ubuntu release?
[20:15] <delinquentme> syntroPi, and how do you tell the difference between something that you need to compile and something thats a ready-to-run binary ?
[20:15] <mikeche1en> wisescribe7: do-release-upgrade
[20:15] <highrise2357> Is anyone here familiar with forcewake?
[20:15] <syntroPi> delinquentme, another reason would be to take out fuctions you dont need to minimize attack vectors (eg. for an webserver)
[20:15] <delinquentme> ah! syntroPi SMART
[20:15] <delinquentme> syntroPi, +1
[20:16] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: starting with Ubuntu 12.04.2, the X-server version was updated to a newer version that is now incompatible with the HD 2x/3x/4x series AMD cards.
[20:16] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, really? hmm, must be part of the hardware enablement stack
[20:17] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, what xserver does he have now?
[20:17] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, apparently he left ....
[20:18] <JuneBUG> anyone use djl Game Manager for Linux?
[20:19] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: Any release past the legacy 12.04.1 has a later X-server. And HES came along with a later point release in release 12.04. ( and yes, if HES were enabled that would break the FGLRX driver).
[20:20] <jubo2> I can choose the window maker being used freely in Ubuntu ?
[20:20] <jubo2> so I can install KDE, Xfce and LDXE on a normal Ubuntu ( Gnome ) ?
[20:20] <Pici> jubo2: yep
[20:20] <tgm4883> Bashing-om, I thought you don't automatically get HES stuff doing regular updates on an LTS. You only get them if you specifically request them in apt or if you install from ISO point release
[20:20] <jubo2> I'm downloading the Windows7.iso to install it into VirtualBox
[20:21] <varikonniemi> when log file viewer is opened first time it displays an error, is this intended?
[20:21] <jubo2> screw native windows.. I think my i5 core packs enough punch
[20:21] <varikonniemi> Error when getting information for file '/var/log/mail.log': No such file or directory
[20:21] <jubo2> This remains to be seen
[20:22] <ching> \part Bye
[20:22] <dw1> dont you hate it when you spend 15 mins writing a script and the guy disappears?  ah well, i learned some stuff, and thats why i did it anyway :)
[20:23] <lagbox> lol
[20:24] <ecoluc> #ubuntu.fr
[20:25] <bencc> what's the difference between Compiz and Metacity gnome flashback versions?
[20:27] <dw1> xentity1x: youre back :) http://pastebin.com/ukqENBYV
[20:27] <dw1> xentity1x: fun script thanks
[20:30] <dw1> bencc: compiz has fancier effects and takes more computing/graphics power i think
[20:31] <dw1> bencc: i dont care much for that on laptop so i run metacity... they're functionally the same
[20:31] <acs2> Is there a log file where I can see if my webcam driver is in use? Thx.
[20:31] <kieppie> 'do-release-upgrade -p' does bupkis
[20:32] <dw1> acs2: a webcam wont write that to a log i dont think
[20:32] <syntroPi> delinquentme, normally I enjoy to be able to quickly download the binaries for evaluating a software, then if i find a bug i download the sources, find or develop a patch, fiddle with the build scripts, compile it, debug it, and submit a bug report. If you just would have the sources and no binaries you would need to compile say openoffice or kde for days before using/evaluationg it...
[20:33] <dw1> kieppie: trying to upgrade?
[20:33] <squaregoldfish> acs2: There *might* be something in dmesg. But that's a guess.
[20:33] <kieppie> dw1: yea
[20:34] <kieppie> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[20:34] <matrose> URL-Titel: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)
[20:34] <dw1> kieppie: if do-release-upgrade won't work, i would go with update-manager -d which should prompt for next version, though -d isnt supported and is only temporary due to some delay with the update seeing new release as non-developmental
[20:34] <kieppie> grrr
[20:35] <saiarcot895> Until http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release lists Trusty Tahr as a release, do-release-upgrade will do nothing
[20:35] <syntroPi> delinquentme, on the other hand if you just have binaries its pretty hard to audit the information flow and next to impossible to solve a bug without the support of the original manufacturer (eg. closed source binary graphics drivers and such)
[20:35] <dw1> interesting
[20:35] <kieppie> would I need to manually awk/sed the repo lists to upgrade? I do see the images in archive: dw1: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/
[20:35] <matrose> URL-Titel: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr)
[20:35] <delinquentme> syntroPi, nah but the above use case is compelling ... I guess I've never considered these things so yeah! Awesome info
[20:36] <dw1> kieppie: no just do update-manager -d and it will prompt
[20:36] <acs2> squaregoldfish: thanks , didn't see anything in dmesg. thanks dw1
[20:36] <john_rambo> I used dd (bs=4M) to write the 14.04 iso to usb drive.....but the PC is not booting from it
[20:36] <dw1> kieppie: same as if before 'official'
[20:36] <mikeche1en> can i mount the iso image and use that for release upgrade? for some reason the software center is not detecting the mounted image
[20:36] <kieppie> cheers
[20:37] <dw1> acs2: yeah, stuff might show in logs if you plug a cam in by usb, but not when it turns on or off to record
[20:37] <neo__> hi
[20:38] <dw1> saiarcot895: seems like they need to get on that then
[20:39] <johndropper> You need too
[20:39] <jubo2> Now installing Windows7 in the virtualbox
[20:39] <jubo2> lets see if I can get enough punch from the i5 that Excel and SPSS run in virtual with no sluggishness
[20:40] <jubo2> This Easter is Easter of discovery
[20:40] <compdoc> my i5 is pretty fast
[20:40] <johndropper> Yeah and Jesus rise from the dead
[20:41] <jubo2> Jesus fought the keeps of death and won
[20:41] <jubo2> Notice that this Easter is happy 4/20 celebration :D :D
[20:41] <johndropper> Lol
[20:41] <bekks> jubo2: And it is offtopic in this channel.
[20:41] <jubo2> bekks: 'k 'k ontopic
[20:41] <jubo2> How do I install alternate window makers in Ubuntu 12 ?
[20:42] <KurtKraut> Hi. I'm doing on my desktop sudo do-release-upgrade and it says there is no new version to upgrade to. Browsing in the repository manually through Firefox I can see the 14.04 packages. I've changed my sources.list to three different repositories and the symptom was the same. Anyone has a clue?
[20:42] <bekks> KurtKraut: Just wait for the mirrors to be synced.
[20:42] <lagbox> KurtKraut, wait
[20:43] <mikeche1en> what is the best way to monitor the mirror status to see when they are synced?
[20:43] <PTBD> hi. I have a quick question. How come IntelliJ Community Edition needs to be bought from the software center?
[20:43] <Pici> KurtKraut: just hold on tight, some mirror issues are preventing them for releasing it out to everyone for system upgrades
[20:43] <PTBD> isn't it supposed to be free?
[20:43] <lagbox> does it say you have to pay ?
[20:43] <kostkon> PTBD, it is free https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/intellij-idea-ce/
[20:43] <matrose> URL-Titel: IntelliJ IDEA 13 Community Edition &mdash; Ubuntu Apps Directory
[20:44] <PTBD> lagbox: yes
[20:44] <lagbox> oh yeah ? how much ?
[20:44] <KurtKraut> bekks, lagbox, Pici, thanks for the quick response. So not only my current repo listed at sources.list must have the new release packages, also another central server must be updated/synced so do-release-upgrade will detecte there is a new release. DId I understand it correctly?
[20:44] <PTBD> lagbox: I don't know. it doesn't show. It wants me to login to ubuntu one account (which I don't have)
[20:44] <bekks> KurtKraut: Yes :)
[20:44] <Pici> KurtKraut: Yes. The meta-release file here must be updated first  http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[20:44] <lagbox> PTBD, then there isnt an amount
[20:45] <KurtKraut> bekks, Pici, got it. Thanks!
[20:45] <PTBD> So? what do I do from here? It is free but I am supposed to have an one account?
[20:45] <lagbox> you have to login because intellij  wants your reg info
[20:45] <kostkon> PTBD, it is free but you need to have an u1 account yes
[20:45] <PTBD> oh wow. that's bs. Why?
[20:45] <Garcia98> Which is the most minimalistic way to install Ubuntu 14.04?
[20:46] <lagbox> because its how they want it
[20:46] <bekks> Garcia98: server iso, kickstart install with ubuntu-minimal e.g.
[20:46] <PTBD> Isn't Ubunto One not supposed to be closed anyway sooner or later?
[20:46] <bekks> PTBD: Ubuntu One Fileservices wil discontinue.
[20:46] <kostkon> PTBD, the ubuntu one cloud not the ubuntu sso ->
[20:47] <kostkon> PTBD, sso -> single sign on
[20:47] <johnrose13> This may sound like a dumb question but, I've been using 14.04 beta... After running updater will that be enough to upgrade to the RC or do I need to run live CD?
[20:47] <PTBD> It's great that they want it that way. But this is a dealbreaker for me. I already consider going back to my other distribution...
[20:47] <Garcia98> bekks: but server iso doesn't have garbage for servers?
[20:47] <lagbox> johnrose13, after everything has been synced out  .... it will match
[20:47] <bekks> Garcia98: Servers do not have garbage.
[20:47] <lagbox> ptbd ... okay
[20:47] <dw1> johnrose13: updater has you covered
[20:47] <lagbox> bye
[20:48] <bekks> Garcia98: Servers do not have garbage.
[20:48] <PTBD> I mean really. Why can they do this?
[20:48] <jubo2> I skipped the product key.. said I have wrong SKU ( needs to phone them to tell I've moved my copy from a physical machine to a virtual machine
[20:48] <jubo2> they give new code
[20:48] <PTBD> And doesn't it bother you at all?
[20:48] <bekks> PTBD: Why not?
[20:48] <johnrose13> i thought that to be true but i wasn't sure. Thank you very much!
[20:48] <lagbox> PTBD, why ?
[20:48] <lagbox> why would it bother me
[20:48] <c3> How do I disable "more suggestions" and "references" in the unity dash board?
[20:48] <bekks> PTBD: I dont host a single byte in Ubuntu One, so why should I care?
[20:48] <Garcia98> bekks: And netboot installer?
[20:48] <PTBD> Well its free and open source. Why can they force me to create some account
[20:48] <bekks> Garcia98: you can use that, too.
[20:48] <lagbox> c3 you can turn off filters
[20:49] <c3> lagbox, where and how?
[20:49] <bekks> PTBD: they do not force you at all.
[20:49] <lagbox> PTBD, well maybe you should read what opensource liscenses actually are
[20:49] <jubo2> How do I install KDE and the others on normal Ubuntu ?
[20:49] <PTBD> They do if I need IntelliJ
[20:49] <bekks> PTBD: you can still download and install your desired product manually.
[20:49] <k1l> jubo2: install KDE
[20:49] <Garcia98> OK thanks :)
[20:49] <lagbox> c3 in 13.10 the app view of the dash has a filter section on the right
[20:49] <k1l> !kde | jubo2
[20:49] <bekks> PTBD: Dont try to tell us Ubuntu One is the only way to install it :)
[20:49] <matrose> k1l: Ich verstehe nicht.
[20:49] <jubo2> k1l: 'sudo aptitude install kde' ?
[20:49] <notrev> jubo2, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:50] <jubo2> ahh.. tnx notrev.. fast as lightning
[20:50] <k1l> matrose: what?
[20:51] <c3> lagbox, oh awesome. hadnt notices (first time using unity now, on 14.04, long time xubuntu user before :)
[20:51] <ffffffffffffffff> hello ubuntu servr
[20:51] <lagbox> c3, not sure if things are different in 14.04 for that
[20:51] <ffffffffffffffff> Guys...... if you like ubuntu... then go to >>>>  ubuntu.bioghost.com/index.html
[20:52] <varikonniemi> why is swap not activated in 14.04 by default? It installs a 16 gig swap partition but it is not active?
[20:52] <bekks> ffffffffffffffff: If you like Ubuntu. Stop spamming.
[20:52] <c3> lagbox, do you know what the commands are that I can type in the box that pops up when I press alt? where can I read about those?
[20:52] <mcvoicex> spricht hier jemand deutsch? i can not find german support for xubuntu, can you help me ?
[20:52] <bekks> !de | mcvoicex
[20:52] <mcvoicex> herzlichen dank !
[20:52] <lagbox> c3 ... well originally i think they were called  scopes
[20:53] <jhutchins> If I have an address that forwards to my exim server from a different host, where do I put that address so that it's delivered to me?  I need both a different username and a different hostname to be allowed, and the hostname is a valid address.
[20:53] <jubo2> I feel right at home with Ubuntu now that I've aptitude installed
[20:53] <varikonniemi> oops, it was my second disk that had a swap partition that shows up
[20:53] <lagbox> jhutchins, /etc/hosts ?
[20:53] <kostkon> c3, that's a search field...
[20:54] <wickedheadache> can i burn hbcd from a ubuntu live session?
[20:54] <syntroPi> bekks, its malware
[20:54] <MonkeyDust> wickedheadache  what's hbcd?
[20:55] <bekks> syntroPi: It was obvious in the moment he posted that.
[20:55] <wickedheadache> MonkeyDust: http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/
[20:55] <xentity1x> dwl, thanks
[20:55] <wickedheadache> i need to repair bad sectors to get win7 enterprise up again
[20:55] <xentity1x> dwl, ha cool thanks for the script
[20:55] <wickedheadache> gparted nd diskutility do not help and even crash
[20:56] <squaregoldfish> wickedheadache: It downloads as a zipped ISO, so you can use brasero to burn it. Or similar.
[20:56] <c3> kostkon, search for what? nothing ever shows up
[20:56] <wickedheadache> just wanted to ask if i can burn cd's while on a boted session from a live cd xD
[20:56] <dw1> xentity1x: np
[20:57] <wickedheadache> booted*
[20:57] <kostkon> c3, it's called the hud and it searches your opened apps' menus
[20:57] <lagbox> c3 you will have to search the documentation
[20:57] <c3> kostkon, aha! I spent all my time in google chrome, it didnt provide hud stuff. thanks!
[20:58] <MonkeyDust> wickedheadache  you can if you booted from thumbdrive - and maybe from cd, if you have ttwo cd drives
[20:58] <kostkon> c3, chrome doesn't have regular menus that's why
[20:58] <c_korn> has someone also the bug in 14.04 that windows do not maximize properly?
[20:58] <wickedheadache> ah nuts
[20:58] <wickedheadache> i guess i'll try it, if it doesn't work just install ubuntu and work from there
[20:59] <c_korn> this is xchat maximized here: http://i.imgur.com/3DEgaHa.png
[20:59] <inkjetunito> how will 14.04 be supported?
[20:59] <m1chael> michael@michael-HP-ENVY-m6-Notebook-PC:~/Downloads$ sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[20:59] <m1chael> Reading package lists... Done
[20:59] <m1chael> Building dependency tree
[20:59] <m1chael> Reading state information... Done
[20:59] <m1chael> Package linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[20:59] <m1chael> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[20:59] <k1l> inkjetunito: 5 years
[20:59] <unopaste> m1chael you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[20:59] <kostkon> inkjetunito, long? 5 years
[20:59] <inkjetunito> k1l, kostkon: so the LTS policy didn't change. nice. thanks :)
[21:00] <c3> How can I get alt+tab to swich to the currently highlighted window, so that when I cycle through my windows I see the window content (not only the icon and name as is currently default in unity)
[21:00] <lagbox> prob have to change the switcher
[21:00] <kostkon> c3, press the down arrow button
[21:01] <m1chael> ahhhh i have been on irc for 15 years, i'm sorry for pasting. i thought that was going to paste to 1 line
[21:01] <arpd> Does anyone know anything about the state of support for ARM chromebooks with ubuntu 14.04?
[21:01] <MonkeyDust> !arm | arpd start here
[21:01] <inkjetunito> m1chael: use a client that warns about multiline pastes :p
[21:01] <k1l> arpd: the arm specialists are on #ubuntu-arm
[21:02] <arpd> thanks guys
[21:02] <lagbox> c_korn, what is that like a 50px high display ?
[21:02] <c3> kostkon, oh.. no thats not doable, takes too long (though it looks nice)
[21:03] <c_korn> lagbox: this is not my entire screen of course
[21:03] <lagbox> i would hope not
[21:03] <kostkon> c3, i know. that's the only way though
[21:05] <franklinh> hi
[21:05] <wickedheadache> amazing its burning ty guys/gals
[21:06] <c3> kostkon, oh! the best was seems to be using the super+1,2,3,.. buttons. And I can place whatever application on whatever button by rearranging the icons, very nice :)
[21:07] <kostkon> c3, that's another good feature yes
[21:08] <Elizabeth18>  Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bitly.com/1gAh6Jy
[21:08] <bekks> Elizabeth18: Fuck off.
[21:08] <c3> why is there an examples.desktop in my home director (fresh 14.04 install) is it  important?
[21:08] <bekks> Sorry for the explicit language. These girls are on in different channels for days now.
[21:09] <zivester> anyone have a good guide to setup torrents on my VPS? would like to share the bandwidth
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> IF they are girls, more likeky guys with girls names
[21:09] <bekks> zivester: most likely, you dont have thaht babndwidth on a vps.
[21:10] <bekks> MonkeyDust: Elisabeth18, Kathy25 and Sue22 cant be lies ;)
[21:10] <MonkeyDust> bekks  i mean girls nicknames
[21:11] <phoenixyz> Hi everyone, do I get the final version when running do-release-upgrade -d ?
[21:11] <zivester> bekks, i have a couple terabytes/month... not a ton but better than my home connection
[21:11] <k1l> hey guys, please watch the language and lets focus on support in here :)
[21:11] <k1l> phoenixyz: dont do the -d
[21:11] <bekks> zivester: Thats volume, not bandwidth.
[21:11] <phoenixyz> k1l: well, without it the trusty update is not recognized yet
[21:11] <posthuman> Someone using tine2.0 ?  Installed exim4 as local mailserver and domainfactory as smarthost. sending mails from user1 to user1 on exim4 works. But sending mails from user1 to user1 from trine2.0 does not work. Never recieve that  mail though
[21:12] <k1l> phoenixyz: which ubuntu are you on?
[21:12] <phoenixyz> k1l: saucy
[21:12] <k1l> phoenixyz: wait until the servers are synced
[21:13] <phoenixyz> k1l: when is that going to be?
[21:13] <k1l> phoenixyz: depends on the mirrors you are using
[21:13] <phoenixyz> k1l: i have some time on my hands right now and i thought i could use that to update
[21:14] <saiarcot895> phoenixyz: The meta-release changelog file (that says what the latest release is) is intentionally not being updated (possibly due to some infrastructure issue)
[21:15] <rvraghav93> Hey I need a way to bundle all my apps / installs and do a fresh install and port those bundled apps there ? Any suggestions
[21:16] <phoenixyz> saiarcot895: hm okay, thanks for the info
[21:18] <MonkeyDust> !clone | rvraghav93
[21:19] <rvraghav93> !automate
[21:19] <rvraghav93> MonkeyDust: Thanks a lot ... exactly wat I needed :)
[21:20] <svennp> hello, i just got some new ssds to install ubuntu on, and wanted a simple software raid0, anyone have a link to some info on how to do it?
[21:20] <varikonniemi> there is a nasty bug in the software center in 14.04. When isntalling something that should open the terminal window for input it just freezes and eventually times out.
[21:20] <bekks> !raid | svennp
[21:21] <rymate1234> gnome flashback?
[21:21] <rymate1234> with compiz?
[21:21] <rymate1234> what is this, 2010
[21:21] <svennp> thanks :)
[21:21] <terrasapien> anyone have checksums for ubuntu-gnome-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[21:22] <lagbox> no
[21:22] <bekks> terrasapien: Look on the website you downloaded the iso from.
[21:22] <varikonniemi> ttf-mscorefonts-installer fails to install from ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:22] <varikonniemi> also mdadm failed similarly
[21:22] <terrasapien> bekks, it came in by torrent
[21:22] <ponyofdeath> hi, I am getting segfaults with ubuntu 14.04 LTS + qemu http://paste.ubuntu.com/7270887 is my dmesg
[21:23] <terrasapien> there were no checksums on the torrent page
[21:23] <varikonniemi> http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/MD5SUMS
[21:23] <bekks> terrasapien: Of course there are.
[21:24] <tooth> So I am running the "try ubuntu 14.04" from dvd. It appears to be stuck in the 'expose' mode, that I an unable to get out of.
[21:24] <tooth> besides rebooting, is there a way to get out of it via keyboard or something?
[21:24] <bekks> terrasapien: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[21:24] <varikonniemi> there is no expose mode in 14.04
[21:24] <tooth> not sure what it is called. it's what happens when I double click the icon on the left.
[21:24] <tooth> I currently have 4 terms that I can select from
[21:24] <tooth> but. it never selects and returns to normal
[21:25] <KurtKraut> Without the package ia32-libs (removed from repositories on 13.10), how I'm supposed to run 32 bit binaries in a Ubuntu 64 bits install?
[21:25] <terrasapien> bekks, got it, thanks
[21:25] <Timvde> Hi. I have two monitors connected with a different resolution (1920x1080 and 1280x1024). I want cloned output on both (so in 1280x1024, obviously), but this'll stretch the output to fullscreen on the large monitor. Is there a way to get it in real size, but with black borders?
[21:25] <tooth> but then do become active (using irssi in one of them)
[21:25] <lagbox> tooth   scale ?
[21:25] <tooth> I guess?
[21:26] <tooth> it's that fancy window selector where everything darkens and it shows you all the windows of the app you double clicked on
[21:27] <bekks> KurtKraut: By installing the 32bit packages needed.
[21:27] <svennp> can anyone tell me where to find the alternate install cd_
[21:27] <lagbox> scale
[21:27] <KurtKraut> bekks, One by one? Is there any replacement for ia32-libs that would install them all in advance?
[21:28] <xmltok_> if i have a mirror of the ubuntu repos and i want to do a net install, what files from the cdrom do i need to copy over my repo so that the kernel modules load?
[21:28] <bekks> KurtKraut: ia32-libs didnt install all at once, but just a preselection.
[21:28] <tooth> so. is there some hotkey to get out of scale? ;_)
[21:28] <c3l> c3:  hi
[21:28] <bekks> xmltok_: that makes no sense at all.
[21:29] <c3l> This is crazy, where are the tray icons? For dropbox, xchat?
[21:29] <varikonniemi> sorry workspaces are not removed in 14.04, they are just disabled
[21:29] <xmltok_> bekks: how so? i want to do pxe installs
[21:29] <varikonniemi> get them back in settings -> behavior
[21:30] <bekks> xmltok_: then you have to create a pxe boot image. Just copying some random files and messing up your repo mirror isnt the way to go.
[21:30] <znake11> hola
[21:30] <harsesus> Hey... I can't get vlc or totem to play wmv without crashing... coredump. I   ar         backtracked it.  Anyone know what would cause these two programs to both crash??? mplayer can play all my test wmv files correctly.
[21:30] <jjavaholic> pidgin-musictracker not showing up in ubuntu repos what could I be missing?
[21:30] <bekks> xmltok_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro
[21:31] <planetarium> hello, should it stay or should it go?..my 12.04., I mean..
[21:31] <bekks> planetarium: If you ask like that: stay.
[21:31] <jcalonso> hello znake11
[21:31] <harsesus> I backtracked both totem and VLC: Here is VLC: http://pastebin.com/EYzzrF7d and totem:                          azend_     http://pastebin.com/diL1XiZg
[21:31] <xmltok_> bekks: my problem is with the repo, i have one that i mirrored with apt-mirror and another that has teh files from the iso. if i point my install url to the iso repo i get kernel modules loaded but it fails installing packages (missing security packages or something), but if i use the mirrored repository i dont get kernel modules and i cant configure my disks
[21:32] <svennp> can anyone link me to the alternate install cd of 14.04 amd64 desktop_
[21:32] <tubbo> hi guys, i have a bit of a strange problem. i'm installing a bundle of software on an Ubuntu 12.04 machine cloned via CloneZilla. when i restore from an image, the network interfaces are gone, presumably because i cloned to a different box whose NICs has different MAC addresses. is there a way to clear out those udev rules and do whatever Ubuntu does on boot (apart from formatting the drive) to set up all of
[21:32] <tubbo> my devices automatically?
[21:33] <bekks> tubbo: Sure. Check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> svennp  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[21:33] <cyphase> why oh why does ubuntu still sometimes show ugly messages on the bootsplash?
[21:33] <StefanLinux> hi all. i just want to say, that i am extremely excited about ubuntu 14.04. the guys from ubuntu made the best job ever.
[21:33] <harsesus> WMV play in mplay but not vlc or totem.  I backtracked both totem and VLC: Here is VLC: http://pastebin.com/EYzzrF7d and totem:http://pastebin.com/diL1XiZg  Anyone know what to do next?
[21:34] <planetarium> bekks, I meant whether I should upgrade to 14.04.
[21:34] <bekks> cyphase: We have to guess the messages?
[21:34] <bekks> planetarium: I clearly answered your question.
[21:35] <sudormrf> would someone like to help me figure out how I can stop this particular script from running multiple times with incron and rsync?
[21:35] <cyphase> bekks, no, there's nothing wrong. i mean why does it show boot/shutdown messages at all? especially when there usually *isn't* anything wrong
[21:35] <tubbo> bekks: hah, that's pretty cool. am i correct in assuming that the '$INTERFACE' the write_net_rules command seemingly requires is supposed to be something like "eth0"?
[21:35] <NGC3982> Hi!
[21:35] <ikonia> tubbo: the device names changed in 14.04
[21:36] <bekks> cyphase: Whats wtong with showing boot messages then?
[21:36] <tubbo> ikonia: i'm actually on 12.04 right now
[21:36] <tubbo> and not upgrading
[21:36] <ikonia> tubbo: then yes, ethx
[21:36] <tubbo> i'm building from an image and every time i do it, i don't have ethernet access.
[21:36] <tubbo> that's the problem i'm trying to solve
[21:37] <bekks> tubbo: At the end of the line you see something like NAME="eth2"
[21:37] <planetarium> bekks, thanks
[21:37] <ikonia> stop copying the udev rules and remove the mac addresses from the interfaces file before you copy
[21:37] <svennp> i cant find the alternate install cd on the alternative donwloads page... am i just blind or something_
[21:37] <ikonia> svennp: it's EOL
[21:37] <harsesus> WMV play in mplay but not vlc or totem.  I backtracked both totem and VLC: Here is VLC: http://pastebin.com/EYzzrF7d and totem:http://pastebin.com/diL1XiZg  Anyone know what to do next?
[21:37] <svennp> EOL?
[21:38] <lagbox> you have the codecs ?
[21:38] <cyphase> bekks, they can be scary for non-technical people
[21:38] <ikonia> svennp: end of life
[21:38] <basketball> hey
[21:38] <tubbo> bekks: yes, that's corect. so when i try to do `INTERFACE=eth0 /lib/udev/write_net_rules`, i get "missing valid match". googling turned up no results.
[21:38] <tubbo> well, it turned up a result for a bug that i'm not seeing
[21:38] <svennp> so, that means i cant do software raid?
[21:38] <tubbo> correct* :D
[21:38] <c3l> Is it a bug or "feature" that tray icons do work, even in 14.04...
[21:38] <basketball> thanks rww
[21:38] <bekks> tubbo: my udev rules do not contain that part at all.
[21:38] <ikonia> tubbo: remove persistent udev rules, reboot and it will update them
[21:39] <tubbo> ikonia: oh sweet, so if i rm that '/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules' file, on a reboot it'll just regenerate?
[21:39] <cyphase> bekks, and even if you think boot messages should stay, i'm looking at 14.04 in a VM, and it's got messages overwriting each other, random things about modemmanager, what looks like a d-bus error, etc. and it's not even showing all of the messages, just a weird random few
[21:39] <ikonia> tubbo: correct
[21:39] <tubbo> ikonia: that's awesome. :)
[21:39] <bekks> cyphase: is it an error or does it just look like one?
[21:40] <xmltok_> it sounds like some other dude had the same problem with 13 but just went back to 12.04: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2152366
[21:40] <mrchris> Hi.   How can I go back to the login screen without clicking on the logout  button at the top right of the screen?  They are not visible for some reason. This desktop is glitching.
[21:40] <tubbo> thanks ikonia and bekks, you guys saved the day :D
[21:41] <mrchris> Anyone?
[21:41] <lagbox> ctrl+alt+backspace ..... does that sill take down X ?
[21:41] <mrchris> No
[21:41] <rypervenche> lagbox: Not unless you set it up to.
[21:42] <MonkeyDust> mrchris  try ctrl alt del
[21:42] <lagbox> mrchris, have you tried going to a virtual console ?
[21:42] <lagbox> ctrl + alt + f1
[21:42] <sudormrf> bah.  too noisy today.  i'm out
[21:43] <mrchris> lagbox: yes that get's me to a terminal, but I  n eed to get to the screen where I can change what desktop environment is selected
[21:43] <lagbox> restart lightgdm
[21:43] <mrchris> I think the Nvidia drivers need to be setup on this new Ubuntu 13.10
[21:43] <Programmer-N7> Why is cups taking so long to restart
[21:43] <jubo2> what was the name of the package that installs kde ?
[21:43] <bekks> mrchris: which nvidia chipset do you have exactly?
[21:43] <mrchris> At the moment its glitching everywhere. I cant use the terminals because they show up as just a black block
[21:43] <bekks> jubo2: kubuntu-desktop
[21:44] <mrchris> bekks: 720m
[21:44] <jubo2> bekks: 'k tnx
[21:44] <bekks> mrchris: Thats an Optimus chipset.
[21:44] <mrchris> bekks: what should I do?
[21:44] <Programmer-N7> Why does cups take so long to restart
[21:44] <bekks> mrchris: Read this first: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[21:45] <mrchris> ok thanks
[21:45] <tex83> What's the relationship between Linux, Ubuntu and GNU?
[21:45] <tex83> like in a heirarchy of ideas.
[21:45] <ikonia> tex83: same as every other distro
[21:45] <jubo2> now installing it..
[21:45] <mrchris> The problem hapenned when I switched to a gnome desktop WITH effects.
[21:45] <lagbox> tex83, ubuntu is a GNU Linux distrobution or flavor
[21:45] <mmoh396> hi
[21:46] <k1l> !ot | tex83
[21:46] <lagbox> when people say linux ... it means   GNU Linux ... the gnu stack with linux kernel
[21:46] <KurtKraut> tex83, You'll find plenty information about that on Google and seek for videos of Richard Stallman explaining what is GNU Linux
[21:46] <mmoh396> i have a question
[21:46] <lagbox> or atleast how stallman would put it
[21:46] <squaregoldfish> !ask | mmoh396
[21:47] <mmoh396> how i can install backtrack tools in ubuntu
[21:47] <ikonia> mmoh396: you don't
[21:48] <daftykins> backtrack is long dead, a newer distribution that i can't remember the name of replaced it, however nothing of that is supported here
[21:48] <mrchris> bekks: ok thanks im installing the packages now.  I was expecting to see the 'ADditional drivers' app but it doesn't seem to be around
[21:48] <Programmer-N7> Kali
[21:48] <ptrk> update-manager or do-release-upgrade should get 14.04 today, right? its almost 23pm
[21:48] <krakish> Kali is the new backtrack
[21:48] <Programmer-N7> mmoh396: Kali linux
[21:48] <mmoh396> thanks
[21:49] <greeter> ptrk, it isn't available yet through the command line. the repos still have to be updated first
[21:49] <mmoh396> kali linux is bater?
[21:49] <Programmer-N7> Yea
[21:49] <bekks> mmoh396: Neither kali nor backtrack are supported in here.
[21:49] <k1l> !backtrack | mmoh396 Programmer-N7
[21:50] <Programmer-N7> Why does cups take so long to restart with the 14.04 upgrade
[21:50] <ikonia> Programmer-N7: why do you keep repeating that
[21:50] <Danato> can anyone tell me a good method of recovering an overwritten partition table?
[21:50] <mmoh396> ok
[21:50] <c3l> Is ubuntu not made for laptops? It really drains the battery, when I was using xubuntu (13.10) I got 12 hours, now I get 4.5 (ubuntu 14.04). Is this expected? How do I disable all fancy graphics?
[21:51] <ikonia> c3l: works fine on laptop
[21:51] <Danato> nothing has been written in the new partition table yet
[21:51] <c3l> ikonia: what about this battery drain?
[21:51] <ikonia> c3l: you results will depend on your laptops power managment support with linux
[21:51] <greeter> i've heard that using lxde works best on laptops compared with kde or gnome (not sure about other environments)
[21:51] <ikonia> greeter: you heard wrong
[21:51] <c3l> ikonia: well its really strange going from 12 hours to less than 5
[21:51] <ptrk> greeter, so if I dont want to do clean reinstall, I have to wait until repos get updated
[21:51] <ptrk> ?
[21:52] <greeter> that's quite possible. unfortunately i don't have a laptop to test that out on
[21:52] <greeter> ptrk, i've heard that installing from cd/dvd has an upgrade option. i haven't heard about any kind of results people have had with it though
[21:52] <greeter> anyway, we've waited 6 months for this release, what's a little while longer? :-)
[21:52] <gbear14275> during install is there a way to setup a GPT partition table instead of MSDOS?
[21:53] <cyphase> bekks, it's an error, but it's not affecting anything. you're missing the point. i'm talking about stuff like this: http://mok0.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/booting-ubuntu-dell-mini-101.png . at least in this case, it's something that's actually not working, and it offers a possible solution (though a message after log-in would probably be better, but that's besides the point). i'll often see this sort of thing, except it'll just be 'xyz service is
[21:53] <cyphase> starting' or 'filesystem is mounting', or if it is an error, it's one that doesn't actually effect the operation of the system. and again, even if you are going to have boot messages, it seems like it shouldn't be too hard to pretty them up a bit, as opposed to just spitting them out on the screen
[21:53] <jubo2> mmm.. the inter-OS copypaste is good
[21:53] <bekks> cyphase: That is a clear error. Fix it.
[21:53] <bekks> cyphase: the firmware is missing, you have to put it where it is expected.
[21:53] <cyphase> bekks, that's a random image off the net, not mine
[21:53] <bekks> cyphase: If you do, the error will be gone.
[21:55] <Bashing-om> Danato: I often see test disk recommneded, sudo apt-get install testdisk , http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step ...
[21:56] <Jordan_U> emma_: Are you still having issues booting?
[21:56] <CrazyZurfer> I've got a question... How do I install ubuntu in my nexus 10 tablet?
[21:56] <cyphase> bekks, so you see nothing wrong with that image?
[21:56] <k1l> !touch | CrazyZurfer
[21:57] <bekks> cyphase: I told you what to do in case it where your image.
[21:58] <lix> sudo apt-get update; sudo do-release-upgrade tells me: "No new release found"... huh!?
[21:58] <bekks> lix: Wait for the mirrors to be synced.
[21:58] <c3l2> how do I remove the "show desktop" entry in alt+tab?
[21:58] <cyphase> bekks, sorry, i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point or don't see it :). maybe i'm not communicating effectively
[21:58] <Danato> Bashing-om: thanks, i saw some ppl recommending it too. I'll give it a try
[21:58] <lix> bekks: synching from archive.ubuntu.com
[21:58] <naxiz> i finally managed to get bumblebee working, but now all apps lost their title bar and have big black bars around them, anyone knows a fix?
[21:58] <bekks> cyphase: if you dont have errors displayed, you can ignore the output. If you have errors, fix them. Thats the only important point.
[21:58] <lix> bekks (in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[21:58] <bekks> lix: Then just wait.
[21:59] <lix> bekks: roger. - thanks
[21:59] <davidubuntu> Hello, can someone tell me when probably will be ubuntu 14.04 available as upgrade through "sudo do-release-upgrade" command?
[21:59] <Bashing-om> Danato: :D
[22:00] <bad63r> davidubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/04/upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-12-04
[22:00] <gbear14275> If I have two disks in my system, an SSD and a large Raid array, and I'd like to install the core OS on the SSD and the data on the Raid array... other than /home, what would I want to mount to the raid array partition?
[22:00] <ikonia> bad63r: that document is a disgrace
[22:00] <ikonia> bad63r: please don't recommend it
[22:01] <bad63r> kk
[22:01] <bad63r> didnt know
[22:02] <xar-> so you're referring links you yourself didn't read? wonderful lol
[22:03] <daftykins> ikonia: serious question - (for my own education) what of it is bad?
[22:04] <bad63r> xar-, i read it just didnt know what is wrong with it?
[22:04] <cyphase> bekks, can you at the very least agree that it might be better if the message in that image was nicely formatted, instead of starting halfway through a line like it is? it looks like plymouth broke and the console is bleeding through
[22:04] <ikonia> daftykins: hacking around "by design" block ubuntu has put in place on LTS->LTS upgrades until 14.04 by trying to trick it into a "development" version upgrade
[22:04] <bad63r> some ppl done well with this tutorial
[22:05] <aoeie> when will transracial tupac going to be released?
[22:05] <ikonia> daftykins: ubuntu put a block on LTS->LTS upgrades until 14.04.1 by design, trying to trick the installer to get around this is weak
[22:05] <daftykins> ikonia: ah i see, is it possible that after a certain time it could move them to 14.10 instead, too?
[22:05] <bekks> cyphase: I still dont see the actual problem with that. If you dont have any errors, how often do you boot so that it gets annoying?
[22:05] <ikonia> daftykins: you get it
[22:05] <daftykins> ikonia: thanks :)
[22:05] <aoeie> when will transracial tupac going to be released?
[22:06] <Unix> hey guys.. trying to "sudo do-release-upgrade –d" but 14.04 lts is not yet avail.. When can I do the full upgrade?
[22:06] <ikonia> Unix: from 12.04 ?
[22:06] <bekks> Unix: After the mirrors are synced.
[22:07] <Unix> ikonia: to the latest lts
[22:07] <ikonia> Unix: from 12.04 ?
[22:07] <Unix> ikonia: yeah
[22:07] <ikonia> Unix: not until 14.04.1 as I understand
[22:08] <Jordan_U> ikonia: IMHO part of making sure that the 12.04-> 14.04.1 upgrade goes smoothly is somewhat more adventurous users testing the upgrade path between now and 14.04.1 (and reporting any bugs they find of course). And "update-manager -d" seems to be the correct way to do that.
[22:08] <Unix> no one has an eta?
[22:08] <BetaSoul> So, how is everyone's 14.04 update going?
[22:08] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Though "sudo update-manager -d", as given on that page, is less correct.
[22:08] <ikonia> Jordan_U: couldn't agree less
[22:09] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Want to discuss it in -offtopic?
[22:09] <ikonia> nah,
[22:09] <cyphase> bekks, you don't see the problem because you shouldn't encounter the bug too often?
[22:09] <cyphase> bekks, anyway, it's not really annoying to me; sorry if i didn't make that clear. i wouldn't care much if it just went straight to the console and showed everything during bootup. i'm just thinking of the average user
[22:09] <MonkeyDust> due to lacking thumdrive, i'm upgrading with do-release-upgrade -d, so it works
[22:09] <s1lence> Hello, When I run the Software Updater I am not prompted to upgrade to 14.04. Why is this happening? Is it not released yet?
[22:10] <lagbox> not ready yet
[22:10] <bekks> cyphase: Even the average user doesnt boot 30 times a day so this could get annoying. :)
[22:10] <OerHeks> Jordan_U, -d means development version, for many years now
[22:10] <k1l> s1lence: wait for the servers to sync
[22:10] <OerHeks> Jordan_U, so that would be 14.10
[22:10] <s1lence> thank you k1l
[22:11] <your> does this place tolerate those who have freshly abandoned gates-ware?
[22:11] <ikonia> your: try to ask real questions than loaded rude question
[22:11] <lagbox> especially
[22:11] <Shotz> So I'm running  Xubuntu 14.04, and I've got 2 monitors and I can't set the defaults properly, I've got an nVidia GTX 760 with propieratary drivers and such, i've set the default monitor to my HDMI monitor in nvidia CP but nothing happens and my DVI stays default, how can i force my HDMI to be the default monitor?
[22:12] <your> just testin the waters im a linux newb
[22:12] <pdo_fn14> !isitoutyet
[22:12] <k1l> your: if you got a ubuntu support question just ask. for other talk see #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:12] <daftykins> Shotz: use an HDMI to DVI adapter, i think i heard it's a quirk but i have no evidence to back it up off hand
[22:12] <your> roger that
[22:13] <Shotz> there's no other way?
[22:13] <Shotz> i mean I'm using a DVI to VGA for the monitor that I don't want as my main.
[22:13] <HomelessSanta> Does anyone have a bug in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS when opening Launchpad?!?
[22:13] <HomelessSanta> It crashes my entire desktop.
[22:14] <lagbox> not even on 14.04 yet
[22:14] <HomelessSanta> I just recently installed Ubuntu 14.04 LTS as it came out today.
[22:14] <atomicturtle> Hi everyone, Im a developer on the  ossec.net project and we are working on packaging OSSEC for multiple Ubuntu distributions.
[22:14] <sbimike> in iptables i have set -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9339
[22:14] <HomelessSanta> Though I encountered an early bug.
[22:14] <sbimike> but now in tcpflow and other apps it appears all connections are coming from 127.0.0.1
[22:14] <sbimike> how can i redirect while preserving the correct external ip?
[22:15] <lagbox> i know im waiting for the mirrors to sync
[22:15] <HomelessSanta> Figured, someone else might be on it to.
[22:15] <BetaSoul> Any one go a TP-LINK TL-WDN3800 Dual Band Wireless N600 working under 14.04?
[22:15] <BetaSoul> *gt
[22:15] <BetaSoul> *got
[22:15] <HomelessSanta> I use a NETGEAR wireless router on Ubuntu 14.04.
[22:15] <atomicturtle> My question is how we can make 2 different repositories, stable and repo available for Ubuntu. Im familiar with adding packages to sources, but Im not clear on how we can do this for stable vs. unstable
[22:16] <atomicturtle> and forgive me if Im asking this in the wrong place
[22:16] <k1l> atomicturtle: better ask in #ubuntu-motu
[22:16] <daftykins> HomelessSanta: it'd be great if you could type your question on one line
[22:16] <atomicturtle> thanks, I'll ask there
[22:17] <HomelessSanta> daftykins, Will do.
[22:17] <Kawaiola> Hey does anyone know how to upgrade 13.10 to 14 without having to reinstall the server I'm new to linux but I built an apache server and mail server and I did it on 13.10
[22:18] <BetaSoul> just run the stock update untility
[22:18] <lagbox> wait for the upgrade
[22:18] <sbimike> hey i remember Plesk :)
[22:18] <Kawaiola> Oh I see so they will eventually allow me to update it through the update command?
[22:18] <xangua> Kawaiola: If this is a server you would mostly want to wait until the point release 14.04.1
[22:18] <bekks> hi atomicturtle :)
[22:19] <atomicturtle> bekks: ha hey man, its been a while :P
[22:19] <bekks> atomicturtle: Yeah, indeed :D
[22:19] <atomicturtle> this is actually related to plesk too
[22:19] <atomicturtle> I am working on packaging multiple projects for ubuntu
[22:20] <Kawaiola> Okay I will do that then thank you
[22:20] <belgianguy> hi when will the ubuntu update be available in the update manager?
[22:20] <acs2> I want to log all my web cam usage. Is there a process (or mount status)(or log entry) that would be constant across all applications (like motion and guvcview)? Thx.
[22:20] <belgianguy> I had the plan of having it upgrade at night, but can't seem to trigger it from 13.10
[22:21] <Kawaiola> I always just run apt-get update
[22:21] <Kawaiola> or sudo apt-get update if you aren't root
[22:21] <bekks> Kawaiola: Naths not enough for updating.
[22:21] <belgianguy> Kawaiola: I already did that a few times
[22:21] <Kawaiola> followed by sudo apt-get upgrade
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[22:21] <belgianguy> but it says system up to date :/
[22:22] <bekks> Kawaiola: Better use sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:22] <Kawaiola> Oh really is there another way to do it?
[22:22] <lagbox> its not ready
[22:22] <belgianguy> bekks: I did that, too, but maybe I'm jumping the gun a little
[22:22] <Kawaiola> Oh I use that command as well I didn't realize there was a difference to be honest
[22:22] <belgianguy> and it needs time to propagate to the repos
[22:23] <bekks> belgianguy: apt-get dist-upgrade will NOT update to 14.04
[22:23] <Kawaiola> I forget how to point my chat at people what is the key for that again?
[22:23] <lagbox> their name
[22:23] <gbear14275> does ubuntu use LVM or LVM2 as part of its installer?
[22:23] <Jordan_U> Kawaiola: Include their nick in your message.
[22:23] <bekks> gbear14275: lvm2.
[22:23] <belgianguy>  /msg <name> some text?
[22:23] <gbear14275> thanks bekks
[22:23] <belgianguy> (that'd be a private chat, not everyone likes that)
[22:24] <sbimike> we have been working on a project to try to establish 100k connections on the same machine by using multiple virtual adapters (e.g., `sudo ifconfig eth0:1 172.16.0.1 up`, repeat for .1-.10)
[22:24] <Kawaiola> Jordan__U like this
[22:24] <almondo> Kawaiola: if your using xchat hit tab key
[22:24] <Kawaiola> nope that didn't work
[22:24] <sbimike> and then using all those ips to get more ephemeral ports
[22:24] <sbimike> but we've noticed this only works on ubuntu server 13+ not 12.04. can't figure out why? i wonder what changed in those releases
[22:24] <Kawaiola> almondo, like this
[22:25] <belgianguy> bekks: so the regular update should do the trick?
[22:25] <cyphase> bekks, i guess i disagree that infrequent encountering of a bug is a reason not to fix it :). if booting took 5 minutes, would you say it's not a problem because how often do you have to boot anyway? obviously this bug is less severe, but it's also easier to fix
[22:25] <almondo> Kawaiola: what irc client are you using?
[22:25] <Kawaiola> Xchat
[22:25] <bekks> belgianguy: No? Regular updates will not do release upgrades.
[22:25] <Kawaiola> I hit tab but it didn't pop up your name like it does when I use it in like windows
[22:25] <bekks> cyphase: I dont see any bug there until now.
[22:25] <sbimike> even if we increase the ipv4 ephemeral port range with sysctl to like 1024 65000 --the max we can connect on server 12.04.4 LTS is ~64k despite binding from multiple local client ips (virtual adapters)
[22:25] <almondo> Kawaiola: should type the first letter of the person and then hit tab for the autocomplete in xchat.
[22:25] <sbimike> but on Ubuntu 13+  it just works
[22:26] <bekks> sbimike: Yeah, since ephemeral ports cannot be used for more than one connection.
[22:26] <bekks> sbimike: Setup multiple servers, use a load balancer.
[22:26] <Kawaiola> aIt comes up with like all the peoples names that start with a and their status
[22:26] <sbimike> bekks: no it does work on newer versions of ubuntu
[22:26] <Kawaiola> Perhaps I need to tweak a setting of some sort?
[22:26] <belgianguy> bekks: so what would offer me an upgrade to 14.04?
[22:27] <bekks> belgianguy: do-release-upgrade    -- after the mirrors are in sync.
[22:27] <cyphase> bekks, i'm not criticizing you for not having fixed it before :P
[22:27] <Jordan_U> Kawaiola: Try more than just the first letter. Especially in a channel this large :)
[22:27] <Kawaiola> Jordan_U, okay
[22:27] <wergv> I just installed transracial tupac and now my laptop won't boot, any suggestions?
[22:27] <Kawaiola> Still didn't work and I spelled out the whole thing haha
[22:27] <bekks> cyphase: If I would have been the maintainer of that bug, I'd have marked it as [WONTFIX] ;)
[22:28] <Kawaiola> I apparently am retarded
[22:28] <Kawaiola> haha
[22:28] <belgianguy> bekks: I  guess those aren't in sync yet where I live, so it'll be for tomorrow :) thanks though
[22:29] <myoung> I'm havinga strange issue... i have an ARM based device running ubuntu 12.04LTS. it's been great. tried to SSH in, but I can't get in
[22:29] <myoung> I can connect over serial (it has arduino support)...ifconfig shows 192.168.2.109 . I can ping my desktop IP from it
[22:29] <Jordan_U> myoung: What ssh command are you running and what is its output?
[22:29] <Kawaiola> So what is the best way to set a static ip address in 13.10 server now I put the desktop inside of the server so the people I work with who are afraid of commandline could still make basic changes and stuff
[22:29] <myoung> i can ssh to it from another server i have in the apartment
[22:29] <myoung> ssh user@192.168.2.109
[22:29] <myoung> times out
[22:29] <myoung> i'm a sysadmin by day, so i've done the usual checks
[22:30] <myoung> firewall is off and allows ssh from a different machine
[22:30] <Kawaiola> Can I set it static in the gui or do I need to do it command line
[22:30] <myoung> i rebooted my desktop  from windows into fedora 20, same issue
[22:30] <cyphase> bekks, really? why?
[22:30] <atomicturtle> myoung: netmask is the first thing that comes to mind
[22:30] <myoung> netmask is 255.255.255.0
[22:30] <bekks> cyphase: Because I dont see anything breaking there. It doesnt affect any functionality at all.
[22:31] <atomicturtle> myoung: on everything?
[22:31] <myoung> yea
[22:31] <myoung> my desktop from windows is 192.168.2.145, times out
[22:32] <cyphase> bekks, neither would making comic sans the default font in ubuntu
[22:32] <myoung> my desktop on ubuntu is the same (dhcp)
[22:32] <atomicturtle> myoung: second thing then... have you tried turning it off and on again. Kidding there... firewall rules?
[22:32] <Jordan_U> myoung: So you can successfully "ping 192.168.2.109" from the machine on which ssh fails?
[22:32] <myoung> my random server is 192.168.2.125. can connect to it just fine
[22:32] <zzarr> hello, when I run "do-release-upgrade" I can't find 14.04, why?
[22:32] <myoung> no, no reply
[22:32] <k1l> zzarr: on which ubuntu?
[22:32] <myoung> atomic, ufw isn't even installed
[22:32] <bekks> cyphase: Yes. It isnt a breaker at all. :)
[22:32] <zzarr> 13.10
[22:32] <myoung> but it can't be firewall if it allows connections from my fedora 192.168.2.125 box
[22:32] <k1l> zzarr: wait for the mirrors to sync
[22:32] <myoung> sounds like an ACL but i never set any up
[22:32] <atomicturtle> myoung: and this is the same physical network, or is it a blend of physical & wireless?
[22:33] <zzarr> okey, thanks
[22:33] <myoung> fedora server is wired, my desktop is wired, the device in question is wireless
[22:33] <myoung> let me wire it and reboot it
[22:33] <Shotz> in appearance for xubuntu, is it possible to change the colors on themes?
[22:33] <Shotz> i wanna change the faded window colour on albatross
[22:33] <cyphase> bekks, now i'm really not sure if you're trolling or not :P
[22:33] <atomicturtle> myoung: thats why I was thinking netmask. I had something like this crop up because the wireless network was set up with a typo'd netmask
[22:34] <Jordan_U> myoung: Please pastebin the complete output of "ifconfig" from the machine from wich ping and ssh fail.
[22:34] <D7xkc> Unity with dual displays, do you have to have the top menu bar on both screens ?
[22:35] <lagbox> cant remember
[22:35] <bekks> cyphase: a breaker actually breaks something. If it doesnt brreak something, it isnt a breaker. Thats it. Most people think their little display artefacts actually makes the world turn into the other direction if it will not be fixed. :)
[22:35] <gbear14275> is there any issues with putting a swap partition on a lvm?
[22:36] <gbear14275> lvm pv*
[22:36] <k1l> D7xkc: i think yes.
[22:36] <frostschutz> gbear14275, not at all
[22:36] <gbear14275> thank you frostschutz
[22:36] <frostschutz> gbear14275, lv, not pv ;)
[22:37] <BeLink> hi
[22:37] <daftykins> hi
[22:37] <johndropper> Hello
[22:38] <PierreBipolaire> Hey
[22:38] <gbear14275> frostschutz, yes, sorry... bad day for typos
[22:38] <johndropper> Sup
[22:38] <PierreBipolaire> Could someone help me with a simple (probably for you guys) problem
[22:38] <johndropper> Yea
[22:38] <johndropper> Whatca got?
[22:39] <cyphase> bekks, i never called it a "breaker", nor do i think it's the end of the world. i just think it's a fairly simple bug to not be fixed for a couple years
[22:39] <johndropper> PierreBipolaire: What's up?
[22:39] <PierreBipolaire> hey johndropper
[22:39] <johndropper> Hey PierreBipolaire
[22:40] <PierreBipolaire> I need to make a wildcard john dropper , got some problems with it
[22:40] <johndropper> Wildcard?
[22:40] <myoung> sorry got delayed
[22:40] <PierreBipolaire> yes a combo
[22:40] <johndropper> Ok
[22:41] <PierreBipolaire> Can I go private chat?
[22:41] <johndropper> Sure
[22:42] <myoung> atomicturtle,: i plugged it up, and was able to get in by 192.168.2.109
[22:42] <myoung> which is weird because it's wired IP is 192.168.2.132
[22:43] <BeLink> l
[22:43] <myoung> http://fpaste.org/95091/77455713/
[22:43] <belgianguy> could it be the upgrade isn't appearing because I'm using ATI binary drivers?
[22:44] <bekks> belgianguy: No.
[22:44] <myoung> and http://fpaste.org/95093/77463613/
[22:44] <bekks> belgianguy: Just wait for the mirror to be synced.
[22:44] <atomicturtle> myoung: well your netmasks look ok
[22:44] <myoung> yea. it's strange
[22:44] <myoung> i took out wired, can't ssh
[22:44] <boze> I use tilda for a terminal emulator. When I press F11 for fullscreen it types a ~ drives me crazy. Anyway around this?
[22:44] <myoung> wtf...now i can ssh
[22:44] <myoung> i hate inconsistencies
[22:44] <atomicturtle> myoung:  one of those days huh :P
[22:45] <myoung> yep. figures I'd be on a roll at work with the stuff i had to do today network-wise
[22:45] <myoung> come home, decide to do some personal stuff, breaks
[22:45] <myoung> murphy
[22:45] <asdfasdf> I'm having an issue with the FDE preeboot environment  in 14.04.  Does anyone know what package I should file a bug against?
[22:45] <belgianguy> bekks: okay, that's what I'll do :) time for sleep now, thanks!
[22:45] <atomicturtle> myoung: you realize turning it off and on again probably would have worked right
[22:46] <bekks> asdfasdf: whats that "FDE"?
[22:46] <myoung> i forgot to force an unexpected reboot 3 times
[22:46] <asdfasdf> bekks, "Full Disk Encryption"
[22:46] <myoung> when in doubt, reboot
[22:46] <bekks> asdfasdf: ah.
[22:47] <c3l> How do I get xchat and other tray icons to display in ubuntu (14.04)?
[22:47] <asdfasdf> c3l, xchat is under the messaging menu
[22:48] <Alumin> I know it's possible to have unattended-upgrades automatically install updates every day.  Is it possible to have it reboot if necessary as well?  For instance, if one of the updates is a kernel
[22:48] <ayan> yay -- new Das Keyboard works well w/ 13.10 out of the box.  Volume knob, sleep, and mute work.
[22:48] <Jordan_U> asdfasdf: What problem are you having specifically?
[22:48] <Alumin> ayan: it has a volume _knob_?  neat
[22:48] <c3l> asdfasdf:  No, clicking on it under the messaging menu opens up a new xchat!
[22:48]  * ayan nods.
[22:48] <myoung> Alumin, take it how you like, but my experience is don't allow automated rolling upgrades
[22:49] <myoung> only install updates when needed =)
[22:49] <asdfasdf> Jordan_U, with kernel version 3.13.0-24, I can't type my password.  With version 23 I can
[22:49] <asdfasdf> c3l, Oh wow you're right.  That's weird.  Have you filed a bug against that?
[22:49] <Alumin> myoung: I understand your point of view, but for this device it's more important for it to be patched than stable :)
[22:49] <ayan> Alumin: it is also made with a bit of aluminum so it is heavier.  though it still has Mx Blue switches, it is quieter than the previous viersion.  i blame  it on the materials dampening the sound.
[22:50] <Alumin> it's not used very much, so if it goes down...not the end of the world.  But if it sits for a while without a vital security patch, that's a problem
[22:50] <Alumin> "blame" lol
[22:50] <c3l> asdfasdf:  no I havent, because I think the entire tray icon is weird in unity, dropbox didnt show up. I'm going to try with spotify now. Do you know how to file a bug? do you want to do it?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> asdfasdf: Then filing a bug report against linux-image-3.13.0-24 would be a good start.
[22:50] <Alumin> like a Harley motorcycle owner, the sound is part of the experience?  :)
[22:50] <jim> alo
[22:51] <asdfasdf> c3l, go to the terminal and type "ubuntu-bug xchat".
[22:51] <ayan> Alumin: heh -- something like that.
[22:51] <asdfasdf> And then follow the prompts
[22:51] <asdfasdf> Jordan_U, thanks.
[22:51] <Alumin> ayan: I hear ya.  Although, y'know, maybe not if you're typing
[22:51] <Alumin> :D
[22:51] <Guest22604> ubuntu bug xchat
[22:51] <Guest22604> huh???
[22:51] <asdfasdf> c3l, if you have any problems, let me know and I'll do it
[22:52] <c3l> asdfasdf:  it doesnt ask me to give a message
[22:52] <MrStallman> Ubuntu is non-free software
[22:52] <c3l> asdfasdf:  how will the devs know whats broken?
[22:52] <myoung> Alumin,  if you really wanna go that route, you could use puppet
[22:52] <MrStallman> it is also an awful GNU/Linux distro
[22:52] <asdfasdf> c3l, it should open up a web browser and take you to launchpad, that's where you can give a message
[22:52] <scrp> hey guys is there channel I can go to, to learn how to get involved in Ubuntu package management/Ubuntu development?
[22:52] <myoung> have it notify a reboot exec when the kernel package sees a change
[22:52] <myoung> brb
[22:52] <Alumin> myoung: nah, that's overkill for this job
[22:53] <k1l> scrp: #ubuntu-motu
[22:53] <Alumin> I'd just set a daily cron job at that point
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[22:53] <asdfasdf> jdwwatts, what's your question with ubuntu-bug?
[22:53] <jdwwatts> eylcis789
[22:53] <c3l> asdfasdf:  oh, after I click the send button I get redirected to some page in my browser. thats not what "send" means to me.. ;)
[22:53] <OerHeks> jester-, with 14.04 trim is enabled by default
[22:53] <scrp> k1l: thanks
[22:53] <asdfasdf> c3l, sorry for the confusion! :)
[22:54] <c3l> asdfasdf:  anyhow, do you know what I should install to get ordinary tray icons for dropbox and such? is it libappindicator1, or something else?
[22:55] <kostkon> c3l, known bug 1122853
[22:55] <Vooloo> how do I know if my ubuntu 12.04 has updated openssl heartbleed bug? it says 1.0.1 still
[22:55] <k1l> !sslbug | Vooloo it is fixed since 7th april
[22:55] <BeLink> j
[22:55] <k1l> Vooloo: it got patched, the version number stays the same
[22:55] <c3l> kostkon:  oh, good to know!
[22:55] <Vooloo> ok, thanks
[22:56] <c3l> kostkon, asdfasdf: does any of you know about tray icons in general, how to enable them for apps that dont have native icons?
[22:56] <asdfasdf> c3l, congrats on your first bug!  It will probably get marked as a duplicate.  Sorry, I don't know how to get the old style system tray back
[22:56] <asdfasdf> c3l, actually, I was under the impression that they were deprecated in 13.10.
[22:56] <Alumin> c3l: apps that don't have their own tray icons?  for that, you might want docker
[22:56] <c3l> Alumin:  no, I mean like dropbox, I installed it but got no icon anywhere!
[22:57] <Alumin> right...docker is an app that makes other apps "minimize" to the notification area
[22:57] <c3l> so I googled and found some stuff about libappindicator1, which I installed and seems to work. but should one really need to do that?
[22:57] <Alumin> oh
[22:57] <Alumin> I'm not familiar with that one
[22:57] <euryale> Is there a way to downgrade the kernel, from 3.14 down to 3.13?
[22:58] <Alumin> I don't remember needing to install anything to get Dropbox' notification area icon
[22:58] <Alumin> then again, that was a looooong time ago...maybe that Ubuntu release had different default packages :)
[22:58] <asdfasdf> c3l, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/raring-retires-system-tray-whitelist
[22:58] <tim_> how come there is no upgrade option in software updater
[22:59] <c3l> Alumin:  maybe I should have restarted or something like that, ill try removing this strange libappindicator1 and logging out and in
[22:59] <asdfasdf> c3l, but on second thought, I don't think that's your problem.  It sounds like you might have hit a bug
[22:59] <Alumin> c3l: is it an option you need to enable in Dropbox?
[22:59] <euryale> @tim. try text search in unity dash, look for updater.
[23:00] <tim_> yes ive done that but nothing about the upgrade
[23:00] <k1l> tim_: which ubuntu?
[23:00] <tim_> 13.10
[23:00] <k1l> tim_: wait for the servers to sync.
[23:00] <Bashing-om> tim_: Your mirror has not synced yet .
[23:00] <euryale> humn. ive tried it, and its there 'software updater'
[23:00] <tim_> ohh when will it be synced?
[23:01] <euryale> im using the beta lol
[23:01] <helloooo> Hi. I am running Ubuntu and I was on skype. All suddenly, someone that sent me a friend request yesterday, sent me 3 files and I was unable to reject them. Is it a skype bug? I am sure it was malware, so I'd click clear all and they would go 'away' one by one, not sure if it actually downloaded them. Am I in danger?
[23:02] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys, 1st of all great job on the 1404, 1st issue of the day, bootpen kernel panic on a eeepc1101ha
[23:02] <c3l> asdfasdf, Alumin:  I removed libappindicator and restarted. I get no tray icon whatsoever for dropbox (thought it is running, I see it in ps aux | grep dropbox)
[23:02] <helloooo> I think that someone posted my skype ID somewhere, and this is why I've been receiving all these weird messages lately.
[23:03] <asdfasdf> c3l, Have you tried filing a bug with dropbox?
[23:03] <Sharpclaw> helloooo: unless you ran any of the files (assuming they're executable files), you should be good. Just be sure to delete the files from your home folder.
[23:03] <c3l> though spotify does show show up in the tray menu
[23:03] <Alumin> c3l: hmm, that _is_ odd
[23:03] <kostkon> c3l, spotify appears in the sound menu, you don't actually need its tray icon
[23:03] <c3l> asdfasdf:  I dont see how this is dropbox fault, it works on xubuntu and works when I install some thing to enable tray icons, seems to be ubuntu that does something
[23:04] <BeLink> kj
[23:04] <euryale> is there a way to backup downloaded packages, so i don't have to download again?
[23:04] <napsc> I know this is the 'plain' ubuntu forum, but does anyone know where I can find the hashes for ubuntu-gnome?  Official sites only have up to 13.10 listed and #ubuntu-gnome is dead.
[23:04] <lagbox> euryale, why ?
[23:04] <c3l> kostkon:  yeah, good point. but I like tray icons. so you see whats running
[23:04] <bekks> euryale: they are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[23:05] <BeLink> j
[23:05] <euryale> @logbox. gonna re-install 14.04, im using beta with 3.14 kernel.
[23:05] <Alumin> euryale: +1 to "why", but check /etc/cron.daily/apt
[23:05] <euryale> ok
[23:05] <tim_> what mirror can i get latest upgrade from?
[23:06] <Sharpclaw> euryale: alternatively, you can use a tool like dpkg-repackage to repack already installed programs back into .deb packages.
[23:06] <bekks> tim_: the ones you are using. Just be patient.
[23:06] <helloooo> Sharpclaw: thanks. I can't see any files on my home folder (this is where they were meant to be downloaded). It seems that they weren't downloaded.
[23:06] <euryale> @sharpclaw. nice i'll look into it now.
[23:06] <Alumin> Sharpclaw: orly
[23:06] <tapuu_> Hello
[23:06] <lagbox> why so concerned with downloading 1 package ?
[23:07] <Sharpclaw> Alumin: I use it to repack programs so I don't have to redownload when I, say, install a new distribution of Linux
[23:07] <euryale> @i have a slow internet today. holidays..
[23:07] <Alumin> Sharpclaw: is that third-party?  I can't find a utility with that name on my (Kubuntu) system
[23:07] <lagbox> you don't want to save your previous packages
[23:07] <nsh> hi, when i do apt-get update and i see a bunch of lines like this: "Hit http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/multiverse Translation-en_GB" -- why am i not seeing those exact lines except with https instead of http?
[23:07] <bersam> hi everybody, why do-release-upgrade didn't update yet?
[23:07] <tim_> ubuntu should have a decentralised network coded in sharing DHT to make software centre and updates/upgrades faster and non-reliant on central servers which gets overloaded
[23:07] <lagbox> bersam, it isn't ready yet
[23:08] <Sharpclaw> Alumin: it should be in the reps. If they aren't in the Kubuntu reps, you might need to get the regular Ubuntu reps
[23:08] <bekks> bersam: Because the mirrors are synced yet.
[23:08] <nsh> is there some particularly good reason that the ubuntu update mechanism doesn't use TLS throughout?
[23:08] <mikeche1en> we need a faq about do-release-upgrade :D
[23:08] <Alumin> Sharpclaw: they're the same ones
[23:08] <mikeche1en> tim_: check out debtorrent
[23:08] <Danato> hey whats the tar command to extract a file into a new created folder with the same name?
[23:08] <bekks> tim_: Dont use external repos/mirror. Just wait.
[23:08] <bersam> lagbox: bekks: okey, thanks :)
[23:09] <jose__> lç
[23:09] <bekks> mikeche1en: Yeah, and point 1 of that faq should be: Dont advise people to use non-official sources.
[23:09] <bprompt> `pt @ jose__
[23:09] <Sharpclaw> Alumin: I had to install Kubuntu reps on Ubuntu to get KDE to work, so there are some differences, though I'd imagine dpkg-repackage would be in both.
[23:09] <Alumin> nsh: well, I'm not a project member, but...I'd assume it's because the encryption overhead is unnecessary since the contents of the packages are public knowledge anyway
[23:09] <mikeche1en> bekks: haha yeah i would not have even expectdd that suggestion :D
[23:10] <cbcbcb_> hello! if i have a macbook pro 2013 already running rEFIt and ubuntu, and i want do a clean install, do i need to use the mac amd64 iso, or is the normal amd64 iso ok?
[23:10] <nsh> Alumin, but presumably it would be nice if my network-adversary / arsehole at starbucks / dickhead university admin wasn't able to change those repo contents in transit...
[23:10] <Danato> for example, tar -xvf archive1234.tar .  How do I need to add to make it extract into the folder archive1234?
[23:10] <tapuu_> I have a problem, I'm trying to chroot, and I keep getting "chroot: invalid user", and there seems to be nothing wrong with the /etc/passwd in the chroot
[23:10] <nsh> i mean, probably some kind of signing mechanism mitigates the security implications of forged repo results
[23:10] <Alumin> Sharpclaw: that's odd...I have the factory-installed Kubuntu sources.list and all mine just say "ubuntu" in the URI
[23:10] <nsh> but it might still be used to denial of service
[23:10] <mikeche1en> nsh: the files are checked with signing keys
[23:11] <nsh> k
[23:11] <Alumin> in any case, I can't find it with "apt-cache search" or "locate"...weird
[23:11] <Alumin> nsh: if they did, the crypto signatures would fail
[23:12] <Alumin> denial of service is always a possibility if you have a hostile upstream
[23:12]  * nsh nods
[23:12] <nsh> thanks
[23:13] <Alumin> np
[23:13] <eagle1776> Is Ubuntu good enough for home use yet?
[23:13] <ejv> < Alumin> denial of service is always a possibility if you have a hostile upstream; huh?
[23:13] <eagle1776> Or is the GNOME still a clusterfuck
[23:13] <PhoenixSTF> hey guys I got a corrupted page table
[23:13] <PhoenixSTF> what is that anyway?
[23:14] <tim_> eagle1776:  ive been using it for 3 years but it has improved alot but ill leave that question for you to answer
[23:14] <Alumin> well, he's was talking about how you'd want encryption of your update downloads in case your network admin were forging the packages in transit
[23:14] <bprompt> eagle1776:     "good" is always relative
[23:14] <Jordan_U> eagle1776: Please keep your language and attitude proffessional and appropriate.
[23:14] <c3l> Using dropbox, should I install nautilus-dropbox or download dropbox from the site?
[23:14] <ejv> There's this nifty technology called GPG, which makes it a moot point.
[23:15] <tim_> bprompt:  like windows is good because molst people uses it :D lol
[23:15] <mikeche1en> c3l: nautilus dropbox is just an addon for dropbox itself
[23:15] <bprompt> tim_:     well, they use it because is "good" for what they need it to use
[23:16] <c3l> mikeche1en:  it says that it will uninstall dropbox
[23:16] <tim_> bprompt:  exactly, personaly i use ubuntu because i prefer it over windows
[23:16] <c3l> mikeche1en:  furthermore, dropbox already has nautilus integration?
[23:16] <mikeche1en> c3l: the might have renamed the packages
[23:17] <cyphase> bean, you're alive! is your brain in a jar?
[23:17] <c3l> mikeche1en:  oh, it removes it and then reinstalls it, on its own ;)
[23:17] <bprompt> tim_:    I use both, I find both useful
[23:17] <mikeche1en> c3l: yeah i figured something like that
[23:18] <tim_> bprompt:  so do i but ive found my use for windows is deminishing since steam came out for linux
[23:18] <tim_> bprompt:  in fact i have not used windows since 1.6 years ago
[23:18] <bprompt> hehe
[23:19] <mikeche1en> yeah linux steam is pretty cool, and more games have native linux versions
[23:19] <bprompt> tim_:    one is good for some things, another is good for some other things, one does some things better, the other does other things better
[23:19] <mikeche1en> !best
[23:20] <mikeche1en> aw there used to be an ubottu faq about asking for the "best" something
[23:20] <kostkon> !poll
[23:20] <xar-> ubottu was weak sauce anyways
[23:20] <xar-> see? :)
[23:20] <tim_> im really getting impatient with the upgrade lol just sat here twiddling my fingers endlessly waiting
[23:20] <euryale> i there a way to make unity dash not to remember the last text i have type??
[23:21] <xar-> tim_: sounds like you need a solid state drive; I had Trusty integrity tested, OS installed, and all packages updated in 3 minutes. lol
[23:21] <kostkon> euryale, check the options available in your privacy settings
[23:21] <Alumin> xar-: or maybe the bot is smart enough to know what you want to hear?  mmmMMMMM?
[23:21] <Alumin> :)
[23:21] <mikeche1en> xar-: i think he means waiting for the repos to update to allow do-release-upgrade
[23:22] <tim_> xar-:  i mean im waiting for the software updater to tell me theres an upgrade so i can finally start downloading and upgrading
[23:22] <xar-> not sure why people recommend that as an upgrade path, maybe I'm just a purist; reinstalls > do-upgrade
[23:22] <k1l> no need for reinstalls
[23:23] <mikeche1en> xar-: yeah, why wouldnt i want to move all my files off the main hd, do a fresh install, then move everything back :P
[23:23] <bekks> xar-: people suggest it because it is a supported upgrade paths - besides personal feelings.
[23:23] <tim_> finally im upgrading :D
[23:23] <xar-> mikeche1en: if you partition everything intelligently, or use network attached storage, then you'd be ok ;)
[23:23] <mikeche1en> tim_: you can try downloading the torrent, then mount the iso and point software center there
[23:24] <mikeche1en> xar-: sounds good, you are paying for the NAS right?
[23:24] <mikeche1en> and the gige switch
[23:24] <tim_> mikeche1en:  its just started upgrading
[23:24] <xar-> I'd be more than happy to discuss budge NAS solutions with you in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:24] <xar-> s/budge/budget/
[23:24] <mikeche1en> tim_: yay, same here!
[23:24] <mikeche1en> xar-: if by budget you mean $0 then im in
[23:25] <tim_> im downloading at 4,000 KB/s :D
[23:25] <cbcbcb_> excited to try 14.04!
[23:25] <Sharpclaw> tim_: 60 KB/s here :P
[23:25] <tim_> Sharpclaw:  damm i feel for you
[23:25] <mikeche1en> Sharpclaw: might want to try a different mirror, unless its just your net connection
[23:25] <bprompt> tim_:    been there, done that :P, actually the highest I've gotten on a connection was ... 4.7mbs I think
[23:25] <c3l> Is it possible to remove the "Show desktop" icon in alt-tab?
[23:26] <xar-> I have a seperate mirror setup but I don't think the ops would appreciate me posting it.
[23:26] <Sharpclaw> mikeche1en: it's just my Internet. I live in the middle of nowhere. :P
[23:26] <cbcbcb_> :D
[23:26] <mikeche1en> Sharpclaw: ah yeah, theres no workaround for that :)
[23:26] <tim_> at this rate it will be the quickest upgrade ive ever done
[23:26] <Sharpclaw> mikeche1en: there's the option to move, but I think it would be cheaper to just put up with slow internet. :)
[23:27] <mikeche1en> Sharpclaw: probably, you might want to investigate satellite or something though
[23:27] <Sharpclaw> mikeche1en: we have satellite, it's just very slow
[23:28] <mikeche1en> Sharpclaw: ah thats annoying, i thought sat was fast on dl speed
[23:28] <Sharpclaw> mikeche1en: a lot faster than dial up, I'll tell you that. :)
[23:28] <lagbox> some mirrors have been updated :)
[23:29] <mikeche1en> Sharpclaw: haha yeah thats true
[23:30] <EsotericForest> heh I like how imaging my servers takes significantly longer than upgrading them
[23:30] <EsotericForest> yay for in-network repos!
[23:30] <Sharpclaw> mikeche1en: it only takes about 6 hours to download Ubuntu on this connection, so that's a plus. XD
[23:30] <tim_> you know what this upgrade progress needs, Dubstep B-) brb
[23:30] <xar-> well, we all know how old tim_ is
[23:30] <xar-> :D
[23:30] <mikeche1en> Sharpclaw: 6 hrs is not too bad i guess, i remember dling stuff with dialup over the course of days :)
[23:31] <tim_> xar-:  well im 22 but it makes me feel young lol
[23:31] <tim_> younger*
[23:31] <Sharpclaw> mikeche1en: we couldn't really download stuff for more than a few hours on our connection because it used the phone line
[23:31] <mikeche1en> Sharpclaw: yeah tying up the phone line was also a big problem
[23:32] <Sharpclaw> mikeche1en: better than nothing though, right? :P
[23:32] <mikeche1en> hehe thats for sure :)
[23:32] <SuperLag> I'm curious why the ubuntu.com page focuses mostly on cloud stuff, and not on the new release?
[23:33] <SuperLag> seems like a departure from previous years
[23:34] <mikeche1en> SuperLag: the cloud stuff is focused around the new release, but i agree its weird to focus so much on that aspect of the release
[23:36] <pdo_fn14> I'm facing why so hard to upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04?. Anyone help me. :(
[23:36] <nullbyte_> how can i stop internet search from top-panel
[23:36] <k1l> nullbyte_: see privacy settings in system settings
[23:36] <Jordan_U> pdo_fn14: How are you trying to upgrade, and what problem are you running into?
[23:37] <nullbyte_> thnks
[23:38] <atlasblade> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDXAeyOIR-A
[23:38] <rabbit12> hello everyone
[23:38] <pdo_fn14> Jordan_U: I'm trying to do "update-manager" with check newer versions, but it's still showing no update anymore
[23:39] <Jordan_U> pdo_fn14: It's likely that your local mirror simply hasn't gotten the update yet. Do you know which package mirror you're using?
[23:39] <tim_> pdo_fn14:  i had same problem
[23:40] <tim_> something like debtorrent built into ubuntu would be handy
[23:40] <pdo_fn14> Jordan_U: Main server.
[23:40] <White_Light> if you are on 12.04 won't it wait until 14.04.1 to update?
[23:41] <k1l> White_Light: yep, that is right
[23:43] <satyamz> I have just installed 14.04 anyone would like suggest any post installation tips or steps?
[23:43] <k1l> satyamz: just use it and install what you need to work with
[23:43] <satyamz> yeah i did it :)
[23:44] <Vooloo> can someone help me with ufw? I set default to "ufw deny out to any", and now I want to add an exception "ufw allow out 587" but it is not working, I actually want to only allow 587 out to a specific hostname/ip if possible
[23:44] <xar-> maybe it's the sysadmin in me, but if you're already on an lts, you shouldn't be in such a rush to update; if it aint broke, don't fix it.
[23:45] <Clown16631> Hey guys, anyone here?
[23:45] <White_Light> yes people are here
[23:45] <johndropper> nope
[23:45] <Xip> hehe
[23:45] <SchrodingersScat> Xip: at least one
[23:45] <johndropper> just us chickens
[23:45] <Jordan_U> pdo_fn14: Please pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.lst and the output of "sudo do-release-upgrade --mode=desktop" (but if prompted to upgrade by do-release-upgrade, don't actually continue quite yet).
[23:46] <Xip> We copied some video files to an usb from ubuntu and they don't show up the tv (when we plug it in)
[23:46] <Xip> What causes could it be?
[23:46] <lagbox> what format
[23:46] <xar-> really? lol
[23:46] <SchrodingersScat> Xip: what can the tv recognize/play? and then what is the video in?
[23:46] <Xip> Avi files
[23:47] <darklight_> what's the appropiate way to set up hotcorners in 14.04  ?
[23:47] <White_Light> what is the usb formatted in?
[23:47] <Xip> The tv supports it, its nothing like that
[23:47] <darklight_> because the options don't stick and changing the order of expo and scale in dconf makes unity segfaults when using the shortcuts meta+w or meta+s
[23:47] <Xip> it works well moving files from windows on it
[23:47] <lagbox> what filesystem is on the drive
[23:47] <White_Light> do avi files from windows play on it?
[23:48] <SchrodingersScat> Xip: does the same avi file play when copied from the windows machine?
[23:48] <pdo_fn14> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7271685/
[23:48] <Jordan_U> Xip: It's almost certainly a difference in the files rather than in the OS used to copy said files. Try copying one of the files that previously worked when copying from Windows, but copy it from Ubuntu this time (or visa-versa) to confirm.
[23:49] <White_Light> that, or the files didn't copy over
[23:49] <Xip> Jordan_U: They were downloaded on ubuntu. And the TV can play AVI files (with xvid)
[23:49] <lagbox> ug
[23:50] <Jordan_U> Xip: Do you understand my proposed test? Also, .avi is a container format that actually tells you very little about the video and audio codecs actually used.
[23:51] <Xip> Xip: I understand. And the codecs etc. works fine too.
[23:51] <Jordan_U> pdo_fn14: And "sudo do-release-upgrade --mode=desktop"?
[23:51] <Xip> Xip: Could it be some problems with permission or something? What group the files belong to or something like that?
[23:51] <White_Light> Why aren't you listening
[23:51] <pdo_fn14> Jordan_U:  Still-out progressing
[23:52] <Jordan_U> Xip: Please try the test then. Once we see if the same files are handled differently when copied via different OSs we can narrow down the possible problems.
[23:52] <teward> White_Light: it helps to prepend nicks to the beginning of your sentences, if you're talking to someone specific.  If you're asking a question, try and keep everything on one line, that way it doesn't get lost in the other activity here on the channel
[23:53] <White_Light> is that bot necessary?
[23:53] <tim____> hello again
[23:53] <tim____> now upgrading laptop
[23:53] <Jordan_U> White_Light: Which bot?
[23:53] <White_Light> teward
[23:53] <SchrodingersScat> Xip: I talk to myself sometimes too, don't worry.  That would actually be funny if the tv was linux based and did look at permissions.  But please do the test with copying the file from windows to the usb drive, post results, then copy the SAME file from ubuntu to the usb drive and try again.
[23:54] <Jordan_U> White_Light: teward appears to be wetware, not a bot.
[23:54] <teward> o.O
[23:54] <nullbyte_> how can i fix broken package
[23:54] <nullbyte_> from apt-get installing
[23:54] <teward> White_Light: calling me a bot annoys me.  Don't do it.  Now, can we help you with something?
[23:55] <White_Light> teward, sending me a condescending message annoys me
[23:55] <Xip> Jordan_U, Whitelight: I found the reason. When checking the usb on windows the files had no file ending (.avi). On ubuntu it worked fine, so didn't even think about that.
[23:55] <nullbyte_> i have ctrl+c configuration on setup asking and after then again in apt-get install package cannot be installed/repaired
[23:55] <nullbyte_> and with apt-get -f
[23:56] <Xip> Sorry wasting your time guys.. but interesting that Ubuntu don't need file endings =)
[23:56] <SchrodingersScat> Xip: you what?
[23:56] <White_Light> Xip, unix and unix-like systems don't require file endings
[23:56] <nishttal2> how do I drop to non X11 mode in 14.04?
[23:56] <Xip> White_Light: Right, it was something new to me. I'm a super noob on linux (obviously)
[23:57] <bekks> Xip: No OS needs file endings - file endings do not determine the content, they just give you a clue about the possible content.
[23:57] <White_Light> nishttal2, ctrl alt f1
[23:57] <tim____> is mir on ubuntu 14.04?
[23:57] <White_Light> no
[23:57] <Jordan_U> tim____: Not by default.
[23:57] <Xip> bekks: Well in Ubuntu you saw them as video files and could start them. So didn't think about the fact they had no file ending.. on the TV the files didn't show up at all because of it
[23:57] <tim____> Jordan_U:  is it stable to use?
[23:57] <bekks> Xip: Which doesnt affect the above. :)
[23:58] <nishttal2> White_Light, that doesnt do anything
[23:58] <skyjumper> is 2-finger scrolling choppy for anyone else in ubuntu?
[23:58] <Jordan_U> tim____: Not for Desktop use, no. I don't know if it's stable for phone use.
[23:58] <Andril> 14.04 rocks! hello all
[23:58] <Xip> bekks: Unless you consider the OS in my TV then, which could not even display the files because of it
[23:58] <White_Light> nishttal2, alre you holding down ctrl+alt+fx, x being a number?
[23:58] <bekks> Xip: Your TV just doesnt show files without "known" file endings, which does not mean that it will be able to play a random file with a known file ending.
[23:58] <SchrodingersScat> Xip: meh, it was choosing not to display them, it could probably still know they were there.
[23:58] <kostkon> tim____, http://www.olli-ries.com/unity-8-on-ubuntu-14-04/