[00:10] <knome> if you created the patch correctly, it will be obvious from that patch file
[00:10] <knome> because it is used to see differences
[00:11] <amigamagic> ok
[00:15] <amigamagic> I'm using "diff -u ~/Desktop/xfdesktop-file-icon-manager.h xfdesktop-file-icon-manager.h > xfdesktop-file-icon-manager.h.patch" but I don't like the generated output in the patch file
[00:15] <amigamagic> because for the first line of the patch I have the full pathname where I put the original source file
[00:16] <amigamagic> I placed on the desktop the original unmodded files...
[00:16] <amigamagic> so I go in the src dir of the modded files and do the above diff command
[00:17] <amigamagic> but in the generated patch file there will be the full pathname of the original file I placed on my desktop... :(
[00:17] <amigamagic> something like: "--- /home/user/Desktop/xfdesktop-file-icon-manager.h	2014-02-11 09:35:31.000000000 +0100"
[00:18] <amigamagic> I don't think there should be something like that in the patch file, right?
[00:20] <knome> i think it's irrelevant
[00:30] <Noskcaj> amigamagic, use dpkg-source --commit to make the patch
[00:31] <amigamagic> now I have the 3 patch files generated by diff
[00:31] <amigamagic> now?
[00:31] <amigamagic> Noskcaj, that is another way to do the same thing?
[00:32] <Noskcaj> It is the "official" way to patch a patch
[00:32] <Noskcaj> And in the proper format
[00:32] <Noskcaj> You use apt-get source, do your changes, the use it
[00:32] <amigamagic> so I didn't have to generate the diff files?
[00:33] <Noskcaj> it generates the diff for you
[00:33] <amigamagic> ok, let's try...
[00:36] <amigamagic> mmmh... I have this error with dpkg-source --comit:
[00:36] <amigamagic> dpkg-source: error: tail of src/debian/changelog gave error exit status 1
[00:38] <Noskcaj> strange
[00:38] <Noskcaj> Is that the whole error?
[00:38] <amigamagic> mmmh.... I used that command in the src dir of the package
[00:40] <amigamagic> yes, that was the whole error
[00:41] <amigamagic> I will try to redownload the sources
[00:41] <amigamagic> reapply the mods
[00:42] <amigamagic> and doing a dpkg-source --commit without compiling the sources
[00:46] <amigamagic> ok, with a clean source package it appears to work...
[00:47] <amigamagic> what name I should give to the patch?
[00:47] <amigamagic> bug1307251_patchfix ?
[00:52] <bluesabre> ah, so there is an easier way to do it after all
[00:52] <bluesabre> I've been using quilt directly
[00:57] <knome> bluesabre, yeah, using guilt is easier ;)
[00:57] <bluesabre> :)
[01:05] <amigamagic> in the example description of the patch proposed by the dpkg-source tool there is the name of the author of the patch and its email... I should insert them?
[01:05] <Noskcaj> amigamagic, Sure. I'll try and get a good name when i package it. Thanks for the fix
[01:05] <knome> amigamagic, Noskcaj: don't forget testing.
[01:06] <knome> i'm sure there was a good reason to set the timeout to 7 seconds
[01:06] <Noskcaj> knome, of course, and we can't upload the fix till unicorn development starts
[01:06] <knome> maybe it was a performance consideration, or something else (maybe not catching everything if <7 seconds?)
[01:07] <knome> the best thing to do now would be to contact the original author
[01:08] <amigamagic> I don't know why it was set to 7 seconds that delay. There is another part of the code (that I have not modded) in which there is another delay of 7 seconds and I don't understand why... I have to say that the code is not so easy to read. It has strange name conventions.
[01:09] <Noskcaj> amigamagic, Maybe someone in #xfce-dev knows
[01:09] <knome> amigamagic, that's why you shouuld ask.
[01:09] <amigamagic> then I will try to ask there
[01:09] <knome> if you knew, you probably could consider if it is sane to keep it or not
[01:09] <amigamagic> yes
[01:10] <amigamagic> for now I'm trying myself and so far it's all ok
[01:11] <Unit193> knome: Some of the delay was so xfconf could start up and not get the weird text and such, if I remember correctly.
[01:11] <knome> Unit193, mmmh, then test on that
[01:11] <knome> anyway, i'm off for now
[01:11] <Unit193> Good nighty, knomey.
[01:11] <knome> have boring stuff to do tomorrow before the release
[01:12] <amigamagic> Unit193, what harm could do write the .rc icon file after 1 second you change the icon positions, instead of 7 seconds?
[01:13] <Unit193> amigamagic: I can't parse what you're trying to say, but the problem was that not enough time was given, or something along those lines (more correctly, starting in the wrong order, which you don't have as much control over.)
[01:17] <amigamagic> I have  the generated patch file
[01:17] <amigamagic> who dares to try it? :D
[01:17] <amigamagic> where I should upload it?
[01:21] <amigamagic> Unit193, actually xfdesktop saves/updates a file with .rc extension in "~/.config/xfce4/desktop" whenever you alter some icon on the desktop
[01:21] <amigamagic> and there is a different file for each resolution you use
[01:23] <amigamagic> when you change some icon on your desktop that file is updated after a delay of 7 seconds. I think it's too much time, because if I move an icon and logout, the new position will not be saved.
[01:47] <amigamagic> why launchpad complains that my patch file doesn't seem a patch??
[01:48] <amigamagic> it's because it has a description above? "dpkg-source --commit" generated a description on top of the diff inside the file
[01:48] <amigamagic> maybe launchpad expects only a diff file without introductive text on top?
[01:53] <amigamagic> I uploaded the patch on launchpad
[01:53] <amigamagic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251
[01:53] <amigamagic> in the comment n.4 there is my patch fix
[06:24] <elfy> morning peeps
[06:27] <jhenke> good morning folks
[06:54] <jhenke> big release day, today? some party later on? ;)
[07:22] <Unit193> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10804 would be what I'm seeing.
[07:33] <knome> heyy elfy
[07:34] <elfy> hi knome 
[07:34] <elfy> the volman update just arrived here :)
[07:35] <knome> yay
[07:35]  * elfy is going to mark packages ready shortly
[07:35] <knome> good good
[07:35] <elfy> and I'd mark images ready too :)
[07:36] <knome> elfy, oh btw
[07:36] <knome> elfy, when we're testing, and if you want to quickly know if something landed properly
[07:36] <knome> use the main archive mirrors
[07:36] <knome> eg. not fi.archive... but archive.
[07:36] <knome> because i got the thunar-volman update ages ago
[07:37] <elfy> I had it pinned to brainwashe's ppa 
[07:37] <Unit193> Saaame, but with us iirc.
[07:37] <knome> awwh :)
[07:37]  * elfy wasn't going back to it not working for me :D
[07:38] <elfy> thought so - main server
[07:38] <knome> yep
[07:38] <knome> i always get fi. selected
[07:38] <knome> :<
[07:39] <elfy> yea ... though as far as I know - main and GB are in the same place 
[07:39] <knome> probably
[07:40] <elfy> packages marked \o/
[07:40] <knome> woohoo
[07:41] <elfy> I doublechecked all the image tests with no results this morning 
[07:41] <knome> lol
[07:41] <elfy> not running vbox anymore today :)
[07:41] <knome> no what results?
[07:41] <knome> ;)
[07:41] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[07:42]  * elfy is already on the train drinking beer - unfortunately it's only inmy head atm
[07:43] <knome> hehe
[07:44]  * knome is thinking about getting a bottle of whiskey
[07:53] <elfy> morning brainwash 
[08:01] <brainwash> hey elfy 
[08:16] <brainwash> elfy: should we remove all the dupes from bug 1259339?
[08:16] <brainwash> it is not a screen power issues, just some blanking problem
[08:17] <brainwash> that's what we got in 14.04
[08:19] <knome> if the dupes aren't dupes...
[08:19] <elfy> I guess we could check if they closed the lid to suspend first
[08:19] <brainwash> the setups are different
[08:20] <elfy> if they all have the same failing power set up then afaik they are all the same bug
[08:23] <brainwash> not sure, but it's confusing
[08:23] <brainwash> for people affected on 14.04
[08:23] <brainwash> with light-locker
[08:26] <brainwash> please re-read the bug description
[08:26] <brainwash> "Power manager is configured to do nothing when the lid closes."
[08:28] <brainwash> so I suggest reverting to bug 1303736 as main report
[09:01] <brainwash> elfy: yes/no?
[09:02] <elfy> sorry - was afk
[09:02] <elfy> I'd say if they ARE different then un-dupe them 
[09:02] <brainwash> alright
[09:03] <elfy> but I'm not convinced that they are different :)
[09:03] <amigamagic> hi, someone tried my patch?
[09:03] <elfy> I am convinced that people aren't very good when writing bugs though :p
[09:03] <elfy> amigamagic: not me - know nothing about it 
[09:05] <brainwash> which patch?
[09:05] <amigamagic> I'm trying to talk with xfce devs to check if my mods are alright
[09:05] <amigamagic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251
[09:06] <amigamagic> at the bottom of the page I posted a patchfix
[09:06] <brainwash> I see
[09:06] <brainwash> yeah, you need to talk to the upstream guys, mainly eric_the_idiot 
[09:07] <brainwash> once it has been accepted upstream, it will find its way into xubuntu one day
[09:08] <amigamagic> ok... brainwash yesterday you said something to me to try for light-lock problem on my virtual machine?
[09:09] <amigamagic> I don't have that log anymore because I'm on another machine...
[09:09] <brainwash> yes, killall instances of light-locker and use "dm-tool switch-to-greeter" to switch to the greeter :)
[09:10] <amigamagic> mmmh... after the command the virtual machine has feezed... :D
[09:11] <brainwash> so it's not related to light-locker
[09:11] <brainwash> but general vt switching
[09:11] <amigamagic> what shoul that command do ?
[09:11] <brainwash> and/or lightdm-gtk-greeter
[09:11] <brainwash> it spawns the greeter on vt8
[09:12] <brainwash> but without locking the session on vt7
[09:12] <brainwash> so.. you should check the lightdm log files located in /var/log/lightdm/
[09:13] <amigamagic> ok, I will check them
[09:14] <amigamagic> at least now know how to reproduce the problem
[09:14] <amigamagic> thanks!
[09:14] <elfy> bbl
[09:22] <brainwash> knome: please set the importance to high for bug 1303736
[09:33] <starrats> good morning everyone
[09:52] <jhenke> good day starrats
[09:52] <knome> brainwash, any specific reason to bump the importance?
[09:53] <brainwash> black screens are never fun
[09:53] <knome> well no, but it used to be medium
[09:55] <brainwash> so medium is fine?
[09:56] <brainwash> it prevents the user from using the desktop
[09:57] <knome> i'm just asking if there is a specific reason
[09:57] <knome> learn to argument ;)
[09:57] <knome> i know there is a reason
[09:57] <brainwash> it just looks better
[09:57] <knome> but i'm not a loose gateguard :P
[09:57] <knome> lol
[09:57] <knome> it looks better that we have a high importance bug unfixed than medium one?
[09:57] <brainwash> that's the truth :P
[09:59] <knome> ok, why is it the truth
[09:59] <knome> because it...
[09:59] <brainwash> ..is a high importance bug?
[09:59] <knome> 1) is the favorite importance of brainwash
[10:00] <knome> 2) brainwash likes to ask knome to do things
[10:00] <knome> 3) potentially affects all laptop users
[10:00] <knome> pick one?
[10:00] <brainwash> mmh, can I pick all maybe?
[10:00] <starrats> I pick 3
[10:00] <brainwash> 1,2,3
[10:01] <brainwash> and we should assign ochosi to fix it, job done :)
[10:01] <knome> brainwash, no, it's a checkbox
[10:01] <knome> err.
[10:01] <knome> radiobox.
[10:01]  * knome voluntells brainwash to look at it
[10:03] <starrats> Black screen on 14.04 to a new user of 14.04 and coming from windows would think they hit the BSOD of windows, lol, :)
[10:33] <matt_symes> I have a question peeps. How different (if at all) will the final release of trusty-amd64 be to the final zsynced image uploaded to cdimage.ubuntu.com on release day ? I have been zsycing the daily image. 
[10:39] <knome> matt_symes, slightly, but it's likely that the changes are something high/critical on the ubuntu core
[10:39] <knome> matt_symes, you can zsync the final iso as well, as long as you specify what is the "original" iso
[10:40] <matt_symes> ahh. thanks knome. I'll zsync the final then.
[10:40] <knome> np
[10:40] <knome> zsync --help tells you more
[10:41] <matt_symes> cheers and enjoy the weekend :)
[10:41] <knome> you too
[10:41] <knome> only some errands to run, then can start celebrating the release
[10:44] <bluesabre> !isitout
[10:44] <bluesabre> :)
[10:44] <elfy> silly bluesabre 
[10:44] <elfy> :p
[10:44] <bluesabre> spamming ubottu
[10:45] <elfy> :)
[10:48] <matt_symes> ty knome
[10:48] <matt_symes> hey elfy 
[10:49] <bluesabre> with the release today, I can relax
[10:49] <bluesabre> :)
[10:49] <knome> bluesabre, join #ubuntu-release-party, say "!isitout" too many times and get kicked by knome ;)
[10:49] <bluesabre> and then return to bug fixes tomorrow
[10:49] <ochosi> sergio-br2: hey
[10:49] <knome> yep...
[10:51] <elfy> hi matt_symes :)
[10:53] <jhenke> being curious, how long does it usually takes for the next release to be "open"? (i.e. archive created and synced from debian, image creation started)
[10:55] <bluesabre> usually just a few days
[10:55] <bluesabre> I think a week maybe actually
[10:55] <bluesabre> knome would know better though :)
[10:55] <knome> i think it's about a week
[10:55] <elfy> I think that last time it was less than a week
[10:56] <elfy> I know I was breaking it really really quickly :p
[10:56] <jhenke> elfy: we all need something fun to do :P
[10:56] <jhenke> thanks
[11:05] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi
[11:05] <sergio-br2> fine?
[11:05] <ochosi> yup, just returned yesterday
[11:08] <ochosi> i just wanted to ask how it's going with the social icons and stuff
[11:08] <ochosi> s/social/social and web/
[11:08] <ochosi> also saw that some 64px mimes appeared upstream
[11:08] <ochosi> did you file merge-requests or did they pick the icons themselves?
[11:09] <sergio-br2> no, they pick themselves
[11:09] <sergio-br2> and I had integrate these things to my branch
[11:10] <zequence> knome: You retiring?
[11:10] <knome> zequence, yep, stepping down from the project lead chair
[11:10] <zequence> knome: Who's stepping up?
[11:11] <knome> i don't know, we will have to discuss the future generally
[11:11] <knome> will be doing that on the next weeks meeting, welcome
[11:11] <zequence> Lucky you.. (or to quote a character from Life of Brian: Youee lycky baastard!)
[11:12] <zequence> knome: Still going to contribute actively?
[11:12] <elfy> zequence: pink fluffyness contributions I think 
[11:12] <knome> more or less
[11:12] <knome> yep, those ^
[11:13] <zequence> I had planned to quit now, but that would be a bad idea, I think. Also, I feel a lot more motivated recently, so I'm aiming for another two years, or until we get enough contibutors that we can have some for of a vote on the subject
[11:18] <knome> i think after the LTS release it's always good to see where you are at with the team, even if the outcome was "let's continue business as usual"
[11:20] <elfy> knome: you happy to mark as ready?
[11:21] <knome> you are more qualified to assess that, but from my point of view, yes
[11:21] <knome> we haven't hit any more nasty bugs
[11:21] <knome> and the ones we have... we have
[11:21] <elfy> I'm happy to do so 
[11:21] <knome> yep, let's do so
[11:22] <elfy> bluesabre is the other release team member :)
[11:22] <bluesabre> yes, and I think its good
[11:22] <bluesabre> and I won't be around to do it later :)
[11:23] <elfy> awesome - ok - I shall do so now then 
[11:23] <elfy> done that 
[11:23] <bluesabre> yay!
[11:23] <bluesabre> !isitout
[11:23] <bluesabre> ;)
[11:23] <elfy> thanks everyone for putting up with my whining :)
[11:23] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:23] <knome> thanks elfy
[11:23] <knome> much appreciated
[11:23] <bluesabre> have fun everybody!
[11:24] <elfy> cya bluesabre - I'm away later till mondayish
[11:24] <knome> you too
[11:24] <amigamagic> bye bluesabre
[11:28] <elfy> hi cub 
[11:28] <cub> hiya
[11:28] <cub> all set for release? :)
[11:29] <elfy> we're marked as ready :)
[11:29] <cub> I haven't had time to do any testing lately, it's sad.
[11:40] <elfy> knome: the QA blog post is now finished, but it can wait till the screen locker one has been published - that's more important imo
[12:34] <ochosi> !isitout
[12:36] <elfy> lol
[12:39] <jhenke> it seems most people are thinking it will be released 13:04 (14:04 London time)
[13:07] <jhenke> anyway I would like to take the opporunity to thank everybody involved in Xubuntu for the time and patience spent to make this new release possible
[13:08] <jhenke> I think devs are too often ignored, so I need to point out: Well done all of you
[13:09] <ochosi> !team ^
[13:09] <ochosi> gah, ubottu-fail :)
[13:09] <ochosi> thanks though, jhenke 
[13:10] <jhenke> !team
[13:10] <jhenke> ah!
[13:27] <knome> thanks jhenke, and enjoy
[13:28] <jhenke> knome: thanks I do, it already brought an old WinXP netbook back to life :)
[13:59] <jhenke> bbl folks, looks like the release will delay a bit today
[14:00] <amigamagic> maybe for the bad weather?
[14:10] <knome> edited the announcement to have the right download links.
[14:15] <knome> who's around?
[14:48] <pleia2> o/
[14:48] <knome> o hai pleia2 
[14:48] <knome> i just took the screenshots
[14:48] <knome> and i have the new download page in mousepad
[14:49] <knome> also, just took the westvleteren 12 -bottle out of the fridge
[14:49] <pleia2> :)
[14:50] <knome> i updated the press pages
[14:50] <knome> what else?
[14:50] <knome> (i did look a the processes page, was helpful)
[14:52] <RFleming> can I be of any assistance?
[15:03] <knome> i don't think so
[15:03] <knome> at this point, everything is pretty much set in stone and prepared
[15:03] <knome> unless pleia2 comes up with new tasks
[15:04] <pleia2> oh, I should publish the new docs
[15:04] <knome> yep
[15:05] <amigamagic> for the next release, you could add a deja-dup default integration with thunar as for ubuntu/nautilus...
[15:06] <amigamagic> it's quite easy with thunar custom actions.... I just tried and it works nicely!
[15:12] <pleia2> I needed gnome-doc-utils for the make to not error our (this is a new system, so I had to install all dependencies, discovered new on!)
[15:12] <pleia2> one
[15:14] <knome> pleia2, mmh
[15:22] <pleia2> hm, build didn't give me an includes directory
[15:24] <knome> hm?
[15:25] <pleia2> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/
[15:25] <pleia2> no bueno
[15:25] <knome> ahahh :(
[15:26] <knome> oh come on
[15:26] <knome> the docs frontpage in 14.40 does not have an image
[15:26] <knome> :D
[15:26] <knome> thanks for reminding me to check
[15:27] <pleia2> hm?
[15:27] <knome> yeah
[15:27] <knome> open docs in 14.04
[15:27] <pleia2> I do not haz
[15:27] <knome> no xubuntu logo on the front page
[15:27] <knome> relly?
[15:27] <pleia2> I just pulled + built this from lp:xubuntu-docs
[15:27] <knome> oh bah
[15:28] <knome> i can't type today
[15:28] <pleia2> wrong place?
[15:28] <knome> i don't know
[15:28] <pleia2> hehe
[15:29] <pleia2> bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs
[15:29] <pleia2> cd xubuntu-docs/
[15:29] <pleia2> make
[15:29] <pleia2> upload contents of build/desktop-guide
[15:29] <knome> in my desktop, which is an upgrade
[15:29] <knome> and in the vbox machine, which is a clean install
[15:29] <knome> when i open "help"
[15:29] <knome> there is no xubuntu logo on the startpage
[15:29] <knome> the logo is in there for the docs, but not the startpage
[15:30] <pleia2> hm
[15:31] <knome> not much we can do about it now
[15:31] <knome> can fix it later
[15:31] <knome> but for your problem...
[15:31] <knome> the structure was changed a bit for 14.04
[15:32] <pleia2> ok
[15:32] <knome> you need libs/ at http://docs.xubuntu.org/libs/
[15:32] <pleia2> okie
[15:32] <slickymaster> knome, can you please confirm something for me?
[15:32] <knome> slickymaster, probably
[15:33] <knome> :)
[15:33] <knome> depends on the question...
[15:33] <slickymaster> better on -off
[15:34] <pleia2> knome: so if it lives in top level /libs, it will be hard to keep up with between releases if anything changes
[15:35] <knome> mmh.
[15:35] <pleia2> which I think is why we had the includes/ directory inside
[15:35] <knome> well no
[15:35] <pleia2> oh ok :)
[15:35] <knome> this structure is needed for the languages to work properly
[15:35] <knome> or, tbe, not needing each their own includes
[15:35] <pleia2> ah
[15:36] <pleia2> well, as long as nothing is release-specific I guess it's ok to share /libs
[15:37] <knome> shouldn't be there
[15:37] <knome> and all releases after 14.04 at least should be fine with those libs
[15:37] <pleia2> ok
[15:37] <knome> if not, let's rethink
[15:38] <knome> if we want to dramatically change something, maybe we could use libs-14.04 or sth
[15:38] <pleia2> docs-startpage needs 13.10 still
[15:38] <pleia2> 3 more months :)
[15:38] <knome> yep
[15:38] <pleia2> just has ltses now
[15:39] <knome> huh?
[15:39] <pleia2> Documentation for currently supported releases
[15:39] <pleia2> Xubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr), the current LTS version, released in April 2014
[15:39] <pleia2> Xubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), a previous LTS version, released in April 2012
[15:39] <pleia2> Get more Help & Support
[15:39] <pleia2> I just pulled it down from https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/docs-startpage
[15:39] <knome> awwh
[15:39] <knome> then i accidentally dropped too much
[15:39] <knome> let me fix that for you.
[15:39] <pleia2> ty <3
[15:40] <knome> hmm
[15:40] <knome> 1310 never was on the branch?
[15:41] <pleia2> heh, apparently not
[15:41] <knome> now it is, pushed rev 6
[15:41] <pleia2> I think I forgot it existed and updated manually :)
[15:41] <pleia2> thanks
[15:42] <knome> bad pleia2!
[15:42] <pleia2> inorite
[15:42] <knome> :| lolcats
[15:43] <pleia2> ok, it's done
[15:59] <pleia2> knome: can we be done with the flyer now? (sorry, is it drinking time?)
[15:59] <knome> can
[15:59]  * pleia2 noms breakfast yogurt
[16:00] <knome> lol
[16:00] <knome> let me just get another beer
[16:00] <knome> i'll be back shortly
[16:00] <pleia2> hehe
[16:05] <knome> oki
[16:05] <knome> so
[16:05] <knome> the only thing left is the frontpage
[16:05] <knome> which is not really "good"
[16:19] <pleia2> running off to dr appt, will help out with things as needed when I return
[16:19] <knome> aha
[16:19] <knome> i thought we'd do the flyer
[16:19] <knome> :)
[16:31] <elfy> knome: does brainwash know what the volman patch did yet?
[16:32] <RFleming> elfy, oh god... it's terrible.
[16:34] <knome> hm?
[16:34] <elfy> :)
[16:35] <brainwash> is it broken now or what is the matter?
[16:35] <elfy> nope - works fine :p
[16:37] <brainwash> ok
[16:38] <elfy> brainwash: we've mostly (apart from the marketing team - who've just woken up recently) been marking time :)
[16:38] <elfy> with a bit of daftness thrown in
[16:41] <RFleming> elfy, bit?
[16:41] <elfy> I'm English
[16:42] <RFleming> aye
[16:42] <RFleming> I'm Canadian
[16:42] <RFleming> we share royalty
[16:42] <RFleming> but I think the daftness has been more than a 'bit'
[17:35] <knome> mm
[17:35] <knome> movement, movement! :)
[17:36] <elfy> :)
[17:44]  * knome pokes pleia2 
[17:48] <brainwash> elfy: are you in the mood to test xfpm from my ppa?
[17:49] <slickymaster> I seriously doubt it brainwash 
[17:49] <brainwash> :P
[17:51] <elfy> slickymaster is correct ;) 
[17:51] <elfy> my weekend has gone pear shaped 
[17:52] <elfy> brainwash: I'm now about a bit tomorrow morning ... 
[17:54] <pleia2> aah
[17:54] <knome> pleia2, feeling better?
[17:54] <elfy> pleia2: wb :)
[17:55] <pleia2> no, today is too much :)
[17:55] <elfy> bed then 
[17:58] <knome> pleia2, awwh
[17:58] <pleia2> I actually feel ok, just have a lot to do
[18:07] <pleia2> we're out
[18:07] <pleia2> knome: publish time? :)
[18:07] <pleia2> I can social mediaz it
[18:07] <knome> i don't know
[18:08] <knome> no ack on -rleease
[18:08] <knome> -release too
[18:08] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html
[18:08] <knome> i noticed that
[18:08] <knome> i guess we an publish
[18:08] <knome> meh, c
[18:09] <starrats> I know that Ubuntu 14.04LTS has been released, at least in Europe, from a source.
[18:09] <holstein> starrats: ?
[18:09] <holstein> !isitout
[18:09] <holstein> starrats: there will be an announcment.. 
[18:10] <holstein> its quite soon
[18:11] <starrats> sorry that was meant for another channel, lol must have it the 'bounce button', lol my bad holstein
[18:11] <knome> pleia2, announcement is out
[18:11] <knome> will tweet
[18:11] <pleia2> k, gplussign
[18:11] <holstein> woot!
[18:12] <starrats> So is Trusty out of the box ?
[18:13] <mzr> !isitout
[18:13] <elfy> yep
[18:13] <mzr> I don't like ubot
[18:13] <elfy> 14.10 next then :p
[18:13] <starrats> awesome, WOOHOO!!!
[18:13] <mzr> *claps*....and now...back to work
[18:13] <starrats> ah more work elfy
[18:14]  * elfy wanders off muttering 
[18:19] <mzr> I assume somebody with the ability to change it knows about the 13.04 typo?
[18:20] <ochosi> mzr: what typo where?
[18:20] <mzr> it says "the new release 13.04, codenamed trusy...is available here:...."
[18:21] <mzr> ochosi: http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ 
[18:21] <mzr> xD
[18:21] <mzr> nvm
[18:21] <ochosi> not anymore obviously :)
[18:21] <mzr> yeah tis the laughing
[18:23]  * elfy fixed that :p
[18:24] <ElderDryas> ooo...14.04 torrents works :)
[18:24] <pleia2> knome: the site looks beautiful, well done :)
[18:24] <knome> thanks
[18:24]  * knome bows
[18:27] <ochosi> pleia2: +1
[18:27] <ochosi> thanks elfy 
[18:28] <knome> congrats, and thanks, everybody in the team!
[18:29] <slickymaster> we're having a meeting in about 1 hour, aren't we?
[18:30] <pleia2> no, we had our meeting on tuesday
[18:30] <pleia2> today is only for parties
[18:30] <knome> yes!
[18:30] <pleia2> no moar meeting!
[18:31] <slickymaster> so I can start thinking in moving myself and my bear to the kitchen an start preping dinner
[18:32] <elfy> yep 
[18:32] <starrats> when will the mirrors be up and running?
[18:33] <knome> starrats, slowly.
[18:33] <starrats> ah okay
[18:36] <knome> pleia2, what about mailing list?
[18:36] <knome> should we announce?
[18:36] <pleia2> oh yeah
[18:37] <pleia2> we should
[18:37] <knome> who does?
[18:37] <pleia2> care to etherpad, or just want to send something real quick?
[18:37] <knome> we can pad
[18:37] <pleia2> k
[18:37] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Mail
[18:38] <pleia2> ty
[18:38] <pleia2> also, we should do an open week session about getting involved with xubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/trusty/Timetable
[18:38] <knome> meh
[18:38] <pleia2> lol
[18:38] <pleia2> this etherpad is huge
[18:38] <pleia2> hehe
[18:40] <knome> bug 1270894
[18:42] <ElderDryas> off to try the new ISO
[18:44] <brainwash> knome: 1259339 -> 1303736
[18:44] <knome> brainwash, well it's already on the release announcement - too late
[18:44] <brainwash> ok, so lets mark it as dupe
[18:45] <knome> pleia2, i'm fine with that
[18:45] <knome> who wants to send?
[18:46] <pleia2> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[18:46] <pleia2> where are our images?
[18:46] <knome> worked on by canonical
[18:46] <pleia2> oh, trusty
[18:46] <knome> there was some hassle with all flavors
[18:47] <pleia2> bleh
[18:47] <Unit193> Torrents are there, and I'm seeding.
[18:47] <brainwash> knome: looks like someone has to finish the ristretto patch :)
[18:48] <knome> brainwash, yes.
[18:49] <brainwash> upstream dev seems to be inactive :/
[18:49] <knome> meh, now trusty is not working either
[18:50] <elfy> Unit193: same 
[18:51] <brainwash> iso size is smaller now
[18:51] <brainwash> nice
[18:51] <slickymaster> phillw was complaigning in -quality about that hassel, but apparently jible manage to fix it
[18:53] <pleia2> knome: you should send, as PTL for this awesome LTS :)
[18:53] <pleia2> hehe, PTL, whatever you are!
[18:58] <knome> lol
[18:59] <knome> done
[18:59] <pleia2> :)
[19:00]  * knome bows
[19:00] <knome> and thanks to you too
[19:00] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[19:00] <knome> Unit193, ...and you
[19:01] <elfy> ta knome 
[19:01] <knome> elfy, and you!
[19:01]  * elfy is wandering of up the village for a bit now - bbl 
[19:05] <slickymaster> beer bottles up team
[19:10] <slickymaster> knome, do you know if there is any problem with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[19:11] <pleia2> 11:46:41 < knome> worked on by canonical
[19:11] <pleia2> :)
[19:12] <pleia2> everyone on social media is telling me
[19:12] <pleia2> been telling folks to use the torrent for now
[19:12] <slickymaster> thanks pleia2 
[19:13] <slickymaster> the reason I asked was similar to yours
[19:13] <slickymaster> a bunch of people complaining in UF about it
[19:14]  * pleia2 nods
[19:14] <starrats> Just saw your email knome about the release of 14.04, congratulations to you and your team!
[19:15] <starrats> pleia2 how are you feeling today? I asked ealier but got disconnected 
[19:15] <pleia2> starrats: ah, thanks, hanging in there :)
[19:16] <starrats> good to hear
[19:21] <dockelley> The release page just came up-- congratulations, folks, and thanks.   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ 
[19:25] <pleia2> knome: social media is killing me :) is there a channel where status of our empty release directory is being discussed?
[19:37] <dockelley> exit
[19:38] <SkippersBoss> Evening
[19:39] <Unit193> Howdy.
[19:39] <SkippersBoss> Sorry ve been busy with a lot of other stuff
[19:40] <SkippersBoss> missed you guys
[19:40] <SkippersBoss> wasn't 14.4 not supposed to b out ??
[19:41] <Unit193> 14.04 is out now, yeah.  Perhaps you mean Xfce 4.12?
[19:41] <GridCube> yes
[19:42] <SkippersBoss> then I have some issues as xu don't want to show me the upgrade
[19:42] <SkippersBoss> hmm
[19:43] <GridCube> SkippersBoss, keep in ming ubuntu servers are very loaded right now
[19:43] <Unit193> SkippersBoss: do-release-upgrade will be enabled soon, but Ubuntu is being hammered so they're trying to not make it worse.
[19:43] <pleia2> they haven't flipped the switch for upgrades yet, everything is really bogged down
[19:43] <pleia2> yeah, what Unit193 said :)
[19:44] <SkippersBoss> figures
[19:44] <SkippersBoss> I used tht answer a lot
[19:44] <SkippersBoss> what he said
[19:44] <SkippersBoss> lol
[19:45] <SkippersBoss> just have to wait till 2morrow evening then
[19:46] <SkippersBoss> My new ISP doesn't like torrents :-(
[19:46] <elfy> also afaik if you have 12.04 upgrade won't be switched on until 14.04.1
[19:46] <Unit193> That is correct, if it's only checking for LTS upgrades.
[19:47] <elfy> yea
[19:47] <SkippersBoss> no I have managed to mess that one up ....
[19:48] <SkippersBoss> Saucy still running
[19:55] <sergio-br2> hey guys, congratulations for this amazing release!
[19:56] <pleia2> yay http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ is populated
[19:56] <knome> pleia2, not a channel where we'd like to point people...
[19:56] <knome> sauna, bbiab
[19:57] <pleia2> knome: sure, but the mirrors should start syncing soon and make everyone happy
[20:38] <knome> pleia2, yep
[21:57] <ali1234> apparently 32 bit xubuntu is still more popular
[22:00] <knome> i'd imagine that's partly because people are uninformed
[22:00] <ali1234> i figured it was because of the "xubuntu is for old computers" thing
[22:00] <knome> maybe
[22:02] <amigamagic> hey guys you can find a note somewhere that you are using an LTS version? Something like "uname -a", etc.
[22:03] <Unit193> lsb_release -a
[22:03] <Unit193> Or -d if that's all you want.
[22:03] <amigamagic> cool! Thank you!
[22:05] <amigamagic> I just received a message from Eric Koegel for the patchfix I proposed. You can read it here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10813#c2
[22:10] <olbi> hi guys, gratz with this release :D
[22:13] <ochosi> happy release everyone :)
[22:13] <GridCube> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xubuntu-14-04-LTS-Trusty-Tahr-Is-Out-and-Available-for-Download-438238.shtml
[22:16] <knome> i hate when people do "news" that are just more or less copy from the release announcement, formatted to be less readable
[22:17] <GridCube> yep, but at least they added a few paragraphs too
[22:18] <GridCube> most of the posts im finding are just copypastes of sean davis "14 things" google translated
[22:19] <ochosi> yeah, it's been pretty popular, that post
[22:19] <GridCube> yep
[22:20] <GridCube> knome, P: why the wallpaper on the release notes is the one from mainbuntu and not the default from ours?
[22:22] <knome> it's not a wallpaper...
[22:22] <GridCube> well, the thumb from a wallpaper, 
[22:23] <knome> it is not a thumb of a wallpaper
[22:23]  * GridCube is not trying to argue just found it funny 
[22:23] <ochosi> actually this is quite a bit better than softpedia: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/xubuntu-1404-available-for-download.html
[22:23] <knome> it's an image from our installer slideshow
[22:24] <GridCube> alright :)
[22:25] <knome> GridCube, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6UO2kLfKMjc/Ux3_LpReAWI/AAAAAAAARuQ/CFYnmScSxzI/s1600/ubuntu-trusty-14.04-wallpaper.jpg
[22:25] <knome> GridCube, that's the ubuntu wallpaper
[22:25] <GridCube> oh, i see
[22:25] <GridCube> :)
[22:26] <ochosi> nice, xubuntu got its own blog-post at webupd8 while kubuntu, lubuntu and ubuntu-gnome were all packed together in one :)
[22:26] <GridCube> i though the one with the gnu thing was the one from ubuntu, but then i remembered that they use warm colors
[22:26] <GridCube> :D awesome ochosi 
[22:26] <ochosi> GridCube: hey, don't call my tahr a "gnu thing" ! :p
[22:27] <GridCube> XD oh gods im falling into quicksand now
[22:39] <Unit193> knome: Wow, it appears to have some of the things you put in ours. :P
[22:40] <knome> Unit193, :P
[22:40] <Unit193> knome: Also, do you plan to remove the evil mouse wallpaper?  Or can I keep it there for safe storage?
[22:40] <knome> heh
[22:41] <knome> i guess i should improve it some day, to not have banding
[22:41] <knome> then do the blog article about color variations
[22:41] <ochosi> we should do some blogpost about those wallpaper-variants soon
[22:41] <ochosi> (soon = when ppl have recovered from release-tiredness)
[22:42] <knome> ochosi, is the locking article somewhat ready?
[22:42] <knome> or should we update it with the known issue?
[22:43] <ochosi> yes, that (update)
[22:43] <ochosi> and we should probably add a screenshot of before/after too
[22:43] <ochosi> otherwise it's just a wall of text
[22:43] <knome> yep
[22:44] <ochosi> haven't had time for that yet
[22:44] <ochosi> but if anyone else has time to take screenshots, that'd be great
[22:45] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/trusty_login.png
[22:45] <knome> after?
[22:45] <knome> :)
[22:45] <ochosi> hehe, yup :)
[22:45] <knome> yeah, as you can see, took it today...
[22:45] <ochosi> so if any of you still have xscreensaver installed, that'd be great
[22:46] <ochosi> frankly, it looks *very* nice
[22:46] <knome> i can install it in the vbox
[22:46] <knome> give me a sec
[22:46] <ochosi> great, thanks
[22:46] <ochosi> gotta investigate an icon bug meanwhile..
[22:48] <slickymaster> ochosi, I'll be able to take some screenshots next Monday
[22:49] <ochosi> slickymaster: well if knome can do it now, i'd rather post that article on locking asap ;)
[22:49] <knome> slickymaster, that'd be too late ;)
[22:50] <slickymaster> ok, no problem
[22:50] <ochosi> thanks for the offer though
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/lock_shots/
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, happy with those?
[22:52] <ochosi> very nice
[22:52] <knome> ok, i'll upload them to the post
[22:53] <ochosi> ty
[22:58] <knome> ochosi, think i'd rather land a CSS fix before we publish that article
[22:58] <knome> getting the images "right" is a pain
[22:58] <ochosi> really? how so?
[22:58] <ochosi> let me preview...
[22:59] <ochosi> have you saved yet? :)
[22:59] <knome> well it didn't really work
[22:59] <knome> i can save the best version i had
[23:00] <ochosi> ok, just for illustration that'd be nice
[23:00] <knome> see now
[23:01] <knome> that's the issue...
[23:01] <ochosi> woot
[23:01] <ochosi> that's only one image though
[23:01] <ochosi> and the displaced label is the issue?
[23:01] <knome> yep.
[23:01] <ochosi> i'd make them smaller anyhow
[23:01] <ochosi> maybe 320x200 or something
[23:01] <ochosi> so that they can be next to each other
[23:01] <knome> well i guess that leads to our next issue
[23:01] <ochosi> oh :)
[23:01] <knome> we don't have that size...
[23:02] <ochosi> what about the tahr?
[23:02] <ochosi> from the release announcement
[23:02] <knome> that's the actual image size
[23:02] <ochosi> what about creating a thumb manually?
[23:02] <knome> meh
[23:02] <ochosi> and linking it to the big image?
[23:02] <knome> that would mean we'd have to upload the images twice
[23:02] <knome> that's uncoll
[23:02] <knome> uncool too
[23:03] <knome> adding a new image size is easy
[23:03] <ochosi> well how long does landing the css fix take?
[23:03] <knome> we'd probably get it in earliest on tuesday, because we need IS
[23:03] <knome> but i can have it ready for that.
[23:05] <ochosi> ok
[23:05] <ochosi> if you prefer that
[23:05] <knome> i would
[23:05] <ochosi> righty
[23:05] <knome> i've patched quite a lot of things already
[23:05] <knome> i mean, manually
[23:05] <knome> so i'd really not let that continue...
[23:06] <knome> if you want to test the new stuff, and try to break the css, i could create you an account to my staging site
[23:06] <ochosi> :)
[23:07] <ochosi> trying to break something sounds like fun
[23:07] <ochosi> but i still have some work to do
[23:07] <knome> well not now
[23:07] <knome> i'm having this beer, then going to bed
[23:07] <knome> but during the weekend
[23:08] <ali1234> i'll break it for you if you like
[23:08] <knome> ali1234, hah
[23:08] <ali1234> i just logged in to xubuntu.org btw :)
[23:08] <ochosi> hehe
[23:08] <ali1234> what plugin you using for u1 sso?
[23:08] <knome> logged??
[23:08] <knome> ali1234, i guess a prerequirement is some artwork eye
[23:08] <ali1234> yeah i have an account there now :)
[23:08]  * ochosi wonders whether u1 sso goes away with u1
[23:08] <ali1234> it doesn't
[23:08] <knome> ochosi, nope.
[23:08] <ochosi> good
[23:08] <ochosi> would be a sham
[23:08] <ochosi> e
[23:08] <ali1234> since it's used by literally everything now
[23:09] <ochosi> it's quite useful
[23:09] <knome> ali1234, right, as a subscriber...
[23:09] <ali1234> yeah, i have no access rights
[23:09] <knome> ali1234, what do you see on the site then? :P
[23:10] <ali1234> the site looks the same but i can edit my user profile/see the dashboard (and that you're not running 3.9)
[23:10] <ali1234> "please notify the site administrator"
[23:10] <knome> meh.
[23:11] <knome> i actually think that's a bu
[23:11] <knome> bug
[23:11] <knome> anybody with a launchpad account should not be able to see our stuff
[23:11] <ali1234> yeah, i agree
[23:11] <ali1234> i didn't really expect it to work
[23:12] <ali1234> it should be limited like the ubuntu-etherpad thing... to a specific launchpad group
[23:12] <knome> we are limiting meaningful user groups to meaningful LP groups
[23:12] <knome> it just shouldn't allow login from anybody else than people from those LP groups
[23:13] <ali1234> okay
[23:13] <ali1234> that's pretty cool actually, that you can do fine grained permissions that way
[23:13] <knome> yep, it's useful
[23:13] <ali1234> that makes me even more interested in what plugin youre using :)
[23:13] <knome> it's a canonical written one
[23:13] <knome> i'm just trying to find it on launchpad
[23:16] <knome> ali1234, https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers
[23:16] <knome> ali1234, there are a few wordpress plugins
[23:16] <ali1234> cheers
[23:18] <knome> aaaahh
[23:18] <knome> i found a setting
[23:18] <knome> ;)
[23:19] <knome> ali1234, try to log in now
[23:19] <ali1234> denied... but if i go to /admin/ my account still works cos i'm already logged in :)
[23:20] <knome> mhm
[23:22] <ali1234> logged out... can't get back in
[23:22] <knome> nice
[23:59] <knome> ok, going to bed now
[23:59] <knome> thanks and congrats to the whole team and other contributors (again)