[00:14] how long after the Ubuntu release is xubuntu usually released? [00:20] james0r2, at the same time. [00:23] knome, cool. Is it at some arbitrary time on the 17th? [00:23] yes, depends on multiple factors [00:24] we will change the topic of this channel and publish a blog post, update social media etc when it's out [00:25] okay cool. that was my next question. is there an easy url i can check from my phone? like xubuntu.org/releases/ or something? [00:26] http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/ will be the release announcement url [00:26] so once that page has content... it's out. [00:26] knome, great thx. === holstein_ is now known as holstein [02:14] Hey guys, I'm sure this has been asked a million times today, but is xubuntu 14.04 launching tonight/tomorrow? [02:15] !14.04 | xubuntu674 [02:15] xubuntu674: Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [02:17] !isitout [02:17] Not yet! It's due out some time on the 17th :) [02:18] Rog thanks guys, just excited, got a box begging for a clean install [02:20] xubuntu674: download and install it [02:21] its just not officially supported yet [02:23] Hello [02:24] Is there anyone who can assist me with figuring out why my Plantronics Voyager Legend headset won't play sound, yet it's paired? [02:24] !audio [02:24] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [02:24] !bluetooth [02:24] For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup [02:25] Travis: i would just isolate and test.. use a different audio device to make sure audio works.. use a different bluetooth device to test bluetooth.. test on other machines.. test on vedor supported operating systems === Hypnotoad is now known as Guest89873 === TheDrums is now known as TheMaster === TheMaster is now known as DalekSec [09:11] Hello everybody! [09:11] hi [09:11] I am facing a problem with my resolution after a kernel update. [09:12] I moved from linux-image-3.11.0-19-generic to 3.11.0.19-lowlatency because my fan wasn't working on the former ( Acer Aspire 5135) [09:12] But now, whatever I do, (add new mode via xrandr, restart X, boot with modeset on or off, acpi on off) nothing helped [09:13] My screen should be 1280x800 (it was at installation) and now it's 1024x768, which is not the optimal. [09:13] Question is, what can I do to get this fixed? [09:16] Anybody able to help? === Nyx is now known as Silvey === newbie is now known as Guest35073 [10:59] hi!!! i'm new ubuntu user....tell me how to add widgets on destop....??? [11:33] Hello, I've a problem after resuming my Laptop (Thinkpad X230) from sleep in xubuntu trusty beta. I can see the lockscreen, but after entering my password the screen is black. Switching VTY works, but the display brightness is tuned all the way down. Going back to VTY 7 it still shows a black screen, and using brightness controls does nothing. This is intel (i915) hardware. Anyone has an idea :-) Thanks [11:34] paul___ best to ask in #ubuntu+1 for trusty support [11:36] Alright, thanks [11:40] cfhowlett, at least for another hour or so? ;) [11:40] cub "when it's done" ... [11:43] Why so harsh? He seemed like he'd just wanted to raise some excitement, that's all [13:10] what time today is xubuntu 14.04 out, please? [13:11] xubuntu647 before April 18th ... [13:12] ok, thanks. i'll just keep hitting refresh on the downloads page .. :) [13:15] cfhowlett: thats the best answer [13:15] Pici trying to program a factoid now ... [13:23] * James0r4 has a new system ready for xubuntu 14.04 [13:23] eagerly waiting [13:27] do you know if it's possibile in thunar to select a view mode separate for each folder? [13:28] xubuntu647, James0r4: you can join #ubuntu-release-party if you want to :) [13:32] I miss very much that feature from nautilus, windows resource explorer and other os desktop managers [13:32] I will try to ask in the xfce channel [13:38] good luck on getting an answer from anyone at that channel amigamagic, lol! [13:38] they are answering to me in this moment [13:38] :P [13:42] hi [13:42] when xubuntu 14.04 will be avaible ? [13:43] !isitout [13:43] No amigamagic, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [13:44] but it will relased with normal ubuntu ? same time ? [13:44] ah okay amigamagic, I'm surprised, you must know someone over there in that channel. [13:45] ? [13:45] starrats, I don't know if it helped me in getting faster answers, but yesterday I proposed a patchfix for a bug of xfdesktop [13:47] kibibyte__, I think they will be out nearly at the same time [13:47] ah ok and cool amigamagic, :) [13:48] * starrats is still trying to fathom 'normal ubuntu' is there an 'abnormal ubuntu'? LOL! [13:49] starrats certainly abnormal users ... [13:49] i mean ubuntu with that crappy unity [13:49] :) [13:50] kibibyte__ many people like/love unity ... [13:50] lol cfhowlett [13:52] Morning! [13:52] today's the big day [13:52] do you know if is there a poll somewhere on unity vs gnome3 vs kde vs xfce, etc.? [13:53] amigamagic poll? who cares? use what you like and what works for you! [13:54] Every time I see the word 'abnormal' I start to think of 'Young Frankenstein' movie with Igor looking for a new brain for the 'Monster' and the jar says abnormal and Igor tells the Doctor its from A.B. Normal, lol! [13:54] cfhowlett, of course... I'm just curious about what people think [13:56] * starrats will say this for his vote 'light not bloated' amigamagic [13:59] starrats, I see you like recent movies... [14:02] Love the old ones too, B&W ones are great. [14:21] where the party channel at again [14:21] !party|kupo_ [14:21] kupo_: Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Trusty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2702/ === [1]amigamagic is now known as amigamagic [14:22] come join, #ubuntu-release-party [14:22] lol [14:38] novità per l'uscita di xubuntu 14.10? [14:38] !it|xubuntu211 [14:38] xubuntu211: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [14:39] sorry [14:39] xubuntu211 not to worry. [14:40] xubuntu will be release at the same time of ubuntu? [14:40] xubuntu211 yes [14:41] anyone knows when? [14:42] !party|xubuntu211 [14:42] xubuntu211: Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Trusty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2702/ [14:45] being i been using 14.04 beta. i wont se emuch change heh [14:45] wow, finally the updates window notifier has popped up on my xubuntu 14.04 system... It's the first time I see that... So it works! [14:45] never had that issue [14:46] i get a weird synaptic issue though. where it changes all the words till you scroll back over [14:46] it was not an issue... It's just that I've never seen that. [14:46] kupo_, I saw that too [14:50] updating kernel now. wish me luck [14:50] hey guys, do you know it's quite easy to add a deja-dup contextual menu "restore previous file version" in thunar too like you have in nautilus? I'm testing it now... [14:51] i wish I could install ubuntu with a no-pop-ups flag. I hate when software assumes I want something done. [14:52] what popups? [14:52] "notifications" as they're so neatly called. [14:54] I think you can disable them, but I think is nice to have some feedback when you insert a lan cable, when you connect to a wi-fi, etc. [14:55] there doesn't seem to be a way to disable all of them in one go. Every program that uses them has to have that option disabled. [14:55] Meerkat: remove notifications [14:55] that's how it was around 2012 anyway. I haven't bothered looking recently. [14:55] holstein, do you know the package name? [14:56] http://askubuntu.com/questions/104273/how-do-i-disable-pop-up-notifications-in-xubuntu is what i would try [14:56] info xfce4-notifyd [14:56] Can you not just change the opacity of Notifications to 0 and disappear to 1? [14:57] maybe that has changed, but, when i looked into it, i just opened a package manager, sorted by installed applications and searched "notification" [14:58] if I remove xfce4-notifyd it wants to remove xubuntu-desktop, update-manager, and other stuff. I think this is the reason I never got rid of it before. :( [14:59] Meerkat: there are suggestions for "disable" around.. what have you tried? [14:59] it's ok to remove xubuntu-desktop [14:59] Removing xubuntu-desktop won't do any harm [14:59] update-manager can be reinstalled again anyway [15:12] Hi, how is it with release of Xubuntu? Will it come out at the same time as Ubuntu? [15:15] MrMaidx, yes. you can join #ubuntu-release-party to anticipate the release with others [15:16] Yes, I'm there, thanks. :) [15:16] :D [15:20] I hope it will be soon. My 13.10 is... well... not anymore as stable as it was when I installed it. :D [15:20] MrMaidx: 14.04 will not magically change that. :) [15:20] hey... psst. check release page. [15:20] * Silvey runs [15:20] * junka runs too [15:21] bekks: I need to wipe a whole system. [15:21] Silvey, you can stop that now or get booted. [15:22] I just did that once indirectly :P Don't worry, not going to say anything else [15:31] So many spam and confused people at the release channel. :D [15:32] release-party* channel [15:42] Can one expect a release today, or how much will xubuntu lag behind standard ubuntu release? [15:42] !release [15:42] Xubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (regular releases) to 3 years (long-term suppport (LTS) releases). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [15:42] c3l, it will be released at the same time. [15:44] aha, well ubuntu is alreay relesed (http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/) [15:44] !isitout [15:44] No holstein, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [15:44] c3l, no, it's not. [15:44] c3l: very close [15:45] phew for party channel +m [15:45] what are you talking about? there are new files with no beta label [15:45] c3l, the release is not final until it's announced. [15:45] c3l, downloading those files will only make the release get postponed. [15:46] knome: why did they upload new files and make them public? [15:46] c3l, because they have to be made public at some point. [15:47] c3l, updates are being pushed to the server now, so please hold off from downloading. [15:47] knome: so these are the final images, but one shouldnt touch them yet? [15:47] c3l: its not released yet.. but, *very* close [15:48] c3l, there is no guarantee they are the final images... and you are correct, you shouldn't touch them until the release is announced [15:48] I dont get what makes this "not being released" the final images are right there [15:48] aha okay I see [15:49] well it is not released until the announcement is out, the same as every release [15:49] they could hide the images, but what difference would that make? people would hammer the server anyway [15:49] one of the release team members just told he can't upload stuff that's needed for the release because people are hammering the server [15:50] so it's literally postponing the release [15:50] knome, they ALWAYS hide the images around 24 hours [16:04] next lts, they should put up 8.04 as the 16.04 LTS and everyone who downloads it prematurely gets disappointed. =) [16:05] Meerkat: use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks! [16:14] just wondering, when is Xubuntu 14.04 coming out? From what I was reading, it's supposed to be released today, I apologise if this is just running a bit late. :) just looking to change over from Windows XP [16:14] xubuntu201: it'll be out later today.. please wait [16:14] !isitout [16:14] No holstein, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [16:14] xubuntu201: Somepoint today [16:14] !isitoutyet [16:14] No junka, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [16:14] holstein and junka: my apologizes [16:15] thank you [16:15] xubuntu201: no worries.. it'll be here :) [16:15] can't wait :) [16:16] anyway, should go to bed... haven't slept waiting for the release haha. Tootles. [16:17] damn, it's like christmas. I can't wait for the release.. [16:19] should have joined in with testing then, you'd have it already ;) [16:20] indeed :-/ [16:22] * elfy is unlikely to say more than that ... [16:25] i have 4 ssds and i am trying to do a fresh install of xubuntu and implementing lvm but i have never done lvm before any pointers? [16:27] ah i am out of dvds to burn new iso on. my computer seems to not like booting from usb [16:28] final releases are out meow [16:28] lil bloated server though heh [16:30] raccoon__, be careful with the password you select. During the encryption password setting the keyboard will be set to US. So some characters switch places if you normally use something else as a keyboard layout. [16:31] oh thanks for the tip now if i could just figure out how to actually do it lol [16:31] Meerkat: pardon? [16:32] i want to just make the whole thing all of the ssds just like one big ssd and throw everything on it [16:32] Since Ubuntu just went live, is there any ETA for Xubuntu? [16:33] Its not done yet. [16:33] Sometime next week. [16:33] :) [16:33] Awesome, thanks guys! [16:34] magnet:?xt=urn:btih:732039b01979d9fb5b235de91d942659c7d2418a&dn=xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftorrent.ubuntu.com%3A6969%2Fannounce [16:34] kupo_, stop it. [16:35] would i just select lvm then put the whole installation on the first drive and the other drives would merge ? [16:39] you need raid-0 [16:40] oh ok [16:41] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID [16:42] thank you so much so i dont use lvm ? [16:42] raccoon__, just so you are aware. RAID-0 will merge all the drives you select into 1. The operating system will think it is 1 big hard drive and if you remove 1 of them you cannot boot. If 1 of the drives fails you also cannot boot. [16:42] that is ok [16:42] raccoon__, you put LVM on top of the raid-0 volumes. [16:42] i see so this is something i do before the lvm process [16:43] Meerkat: "During the encryption password setting the keyboard will be set to US" is that related to the ibus bug - if that is the case then all one needs do is purge it prior to upgrading - if encryption is working differently then that needs reporting [16:51] Fyi: torrent download for 14.04 is now working [16:53] FYI: it's not final, please do not download yet. [16:54] knome, are u sure? [16:54] v2: your patience is appreciated as you continue to wait and encourage others to do so [16:54] !isitout [16:54] No holstein, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [16:54] v2, yes, i'm 100% positive. i'm the xubuntu project lead. [16:54] :-) I see - ok, I will stop leeching [17:03] yo dawg [17:03] where is 14.04? [17:03] in the making. [17:03] !isitout [17:03] No junka, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [17:03] :) [17:04] waitin' :D [17:13] Xubuntu 14.04 torrent is ready! http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [17:13] !isitoutyet [17:13] No junka, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [17:14] Chuyin, cool, what about update from xubuntu 13.10 ? [17:15] it is good to download the torrent, it helps others, do it. [17:15] just not yet [17:15] Chuyin, it is not. [17:15] its not officially released yet.. [17:15] ok [17:15] Artemis3, no, it doesn't do good to download the torrent now [17:16] no? oh... [17:16] it does, do you even know how torrents work? [17:16] Artemis3: no.. not yet.. its not good yet [17:16] Sorry [17:16] Artemis3, stop arguing. [17:16] in torrents, the more people the better. [17:16] Artemis3, the torrent is not final yet. [17:16] Artemis3: its not released yet, friend.. you need to wait, and help us encourage others to wait [17:17] its not argue, its a fact, either you get it, or you dont. Also, the policy you are defending, has nothing to do with torrents, but the old mirroring method. [17:17] Chuyin: 64bit? [17:17] Artemis3: STOP IT ;_; [17:17] the final torrents aren't out yet. [17:18] rsajdok, do not download anything yet. [17:18] "I'm am the oooper. I am the oooper." [17:18] Have to do some backup then.. [17:19] i'm ashamed for share the torrent file :/ [17:20] Chuyin: no worries.. just help us all encourage waiting [17:20] When 14.04 goes final, will it be possible to upgrade my 13.10 with the image, or must it be done ovver the net? [17:20] Do some party here meanwhile? :D [17:20] johnjason: i was presented with that option [17:20] !party [17:20] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Trusty release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2702/ [17:21] Thank you holstein :) [17:21] Ok :P [17:21] elfy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1047384 that is the issue with the keyboard layout. [17:21] Launchpad bug 1047384 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "System Encryption Password set before setting keyboard locale" [Medium,Triaged] [17:31] Hello, after installing xubuntu, my computer restarts and jumps into grub rescue, what can I do? [17:31] What is the status of Xubuntu 14.04? Is there a blog entry about what is going on? [17:31] xubuntu224: i would try recovering grub [17:31] How can I do that? [17:31] xubuntu224: something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair or [17:32] !grub [17:32] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [17:32] thanks, will try [17:45] Do we have an ETA for Xubuntu? [17:46] !isitout [17:46] No holstein, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [17:46] holstein: This mean we should expect it at any hour? [17:47] *any time [17:47] CyL: correct.. *anytime*.. and it will be soon.. your patience is appreciated [17:47] CyL, it's out when it's ready. just wait patiently. [17:48] holstein, knome: Heh, I'm in no hurry, just thought that it could have a specific hour, just as it had a date [17:50] Changing subjects, I really like Xubuntu, even prefer it over Ubuntu,, but one feature last Ubuntu had I wish Xubuntu had was the possibility of a windows occupying exactly half the screen if dragged to a given edge of the screen. Is there anyway to have this feature in Xubuntu? [17:50] CyL: yes [17:51] holstein: How? [17:51] CyL: you can implement it with the window manager [17:51] holstein: Unfortunately I'm no code master.. out of the box? [17:52] CyL: AFAIK, it is not configured to do that out of the box [17:53] holstein: When you say implementing it with the windows manager, you say coding the feature and having it accepted by the upstream, right? === v2 is now known as v3 [17:54] CyL: no. i mean configuring the window manager to do that === v3 is now known as v9 [17:55] CyL: i use a distro, peppermintOS, and they use the xfce window manager, and have that feature out of the box, so i know its just a configuraion option [17:55] CyL: if you can learn how to refer to that feature, you can search for it.. "feature settings xfce" for example [17:55] CyL: i am not certain what that feature is referred to as.. [17:56] sounds like tiling to me [17:56] though it works slightly differently for us [17:56] ^ that sounds right [17:57] +1 on tiling [17:57] not to be confused with " a tiling window manager" [17:58] CyL: try alt+F5 alt+F6 to start with - but it is not like ubuntu use [17:58] you can also I think drag to parts of window to tiel [18:06] xubuntu 14.04 still not live? [18:07] There we go =) [18:07] elfy, holstein: Thanks for your advice, I'll give it a try oncce 14.04 has rolled out. I think I can tweak with the WM configs myself [18:07] !isitout | Mike-Linux-NL [18:07] Mike-Linux-NL: No CyL, it's not out yet. It's due out some time on the 17th :) [18:08] so still today then [18:10] If I've been on the Daily 14, can I just update/upgrade to the lts? or do I need to reinstall? [18:10] update and upgrade [18:11] thanks [18:11] dist-upgrade if it is necessary [18:11] btw.. running 12.04 now.. is it safe to an "upgrade" or is it better to do a clean install? upgrading never worked for me so far... [18:12] by definition upgrade should work... [18:12] yay 14.04 LTS is out, except not for xubuntu yet [18:12] really? === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Xubuntu support | Xubuntu 14.04 is out! http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/ | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | No one around? See the complete support methods list at http://xubuntu.org/help | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic [18:13] oh nm, xubuntu is out too [18:13] \o/ [18:13] yay! [18:13] they literally updated the site within the last 1-2 min. [18:13] ugh... just reading the news on xubuntu.org i see a list with "known issues" ? [18:13] then actually read it Mike-Linux-NL :) [18:13] whoops there are no files in the dl directory yet [18:14] \o. [18:14] *clap* *clap* *clap* [18:14] mikeche1en: well i've got ubuntu with xfce too [18:14] elfy: i just did :P [18:14] its literally just releasing... your patience is appreciated [18:14] slimjimflim: xubuntu is just a metapackage [18:14] there is a typo in the download page --> "The 13.04 release, codenamed Trusty Tahr, is,,," [18:15] holstein: yeah thats what i figured :) [18:15] CyL: lol yea i see that [18:16] ths sites are all just being updated, friends.. [18:16] f5 f5 f5 :D [18:16] patience is a virtue, right? [18:17] !isitoutyet [18:17] Yes it is out! Download at www.ubuntu.com/download [18:17] what's the "return version" command? [18:17] lsb_release -a [18:18] 14.04 LTS, yay! [18:18] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ has a typo saying about 13.04 [18:19] mhmm, thanks junka [18:19] hmmm the xfce4-power manager not restoring screen power kinda holds me back... i always close my laptopscreen [18:19] better wait for the fix ;) [18:19] Mike-Linux-NL: This happens on every laptop? [18:20] is brokne http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [18:20] running xubuntu 12.04 now... can close the lid. laptop goes in kind of suspend mode... when i open the lid i just press a key or mouse and screen pops back up [18:21] junka: fixed it [18:21] elfy: :D [18:21] but the release note says, that this "action" causes this bug in 14.04? [18:22] I can see the new release in http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ :D [18:23] CyL: we don't know if it is EVERY laptop - we are held back from making that judgement as very few people actually help to test xubuntu [18:23] is the torrent download working or would I still download a non-final image? [18:23] Torrent link should be trusty not precise I think [18:24] As noted the torrent link is dead, it seems to point to the right torrent on the wrong directory (precise): /xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [18:24] CyL, fixed. [18:24] elfy: I see, but the bug is persistent among the testers who tested it on a laptop? [18:25] yes [18:25] Mike-Linux-NL: i had that problem on my laptop only when using the proprietary driver [18:25] CyL: follow the links to the actual bug report [18:26] Indeed, trying to access the following file yeld a success download:: /xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [18:27] Anyway, I probably don't have to bee worring too much, will be running it on a vm... [18:27] mikeche1en: i use an Asus K50IJ. so its all intel [18:27] Mike-Linux-NL: ah i see [18:28] The link http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent seems to be broken [18:28] Chuyin: See my last couple of messages [18:28] Chuyin, refresh the page, it's fixes ages ago [18:29] ok [18:30] All right! :D Downloading... [18:30] There are no seeders for xubuntu amd64 :( [18:31] i see 50+ seeders [18:31] drmad: I'm seeding it [18:31] its not going that fast right now but im sure it will speed up [18:31] Oh, sorry, I'm not seeding it, I'm *seeing* it [18:31] :) [18:32] ill seed once it completes :) === mzr1 is now known as mzr [18:32] I have 2.5 MBit/sec [18:34] lucky :D [18:36] Mike-Linux-NL: i noticed that power not restoring screen power too [18:38] well folks, good bye, see you later! [18:42] when will be available be do-release-upgrade ? [18:42] hey the download link on http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/ is still broken [18:44] mikeche1en, it's being worked on by canonical. [18:45] knome: ok, the http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/ url seems to work fine [18:52] download complete - will let it seed for a while before installing. And before I forget: a special thank to everyone involved with the making of this release and with the support on this channel !! [19:00] 9 hours remaining... :) [19:00] !hash [19:03] rsajdok for what [19:03] !isitout [19:03] yes, it is out! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html [19:05] hi [19:06] is ubuntu 14.04 support time 5 years and xubuntu 14.04 3 years? [19:06] Hi, does anyone know which repository has 14.04 ready for download? I'm doing "sudo do-release-upgrade" but No new release found from the USA Server. [19:07] is there somewhere i can check the md5 of the iso? [19:08] 14.04 is out.... is there a 14.10 alpha available already? :P [19:08] junka: download by torrent [19:09] Mike-Linux-NL: no, the toolchain hasn't even been built yet [19:09] martinrame: me too [19:09] is ubuntu 14.04 support time 5 years and xubuntu 14.04 3 years? -_- [19:10] yes xfce_user but some packages will have 5 years because it's based on ubuntu's core [19:10] jcfp, and why? :) [19:10] Where can I get the hash/md5sum for xubuntu 14.04? [19:11] junka, and why? :) [19:12] is xubuntu 14.04? .. got a torrent? .. i have a 100Mbit (both ways) connection and wanna seed :) [19:12] is xubuntu 14.04 out* [19:12] lnostdal: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent [19:13] lnostdal: yeah there is go check xubuntu.org [19:13] lnostdal: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [19:13] xfce_user: what do u mean? [19:13] rsajdok: awesome, thanks! [19:14] !torrents [19:14] Xubuntu Trusty (14.04) torrents can be downloaded from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent and http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent [19:18] seeding now as well :) [19:18] Hi. What is the proper way to upgrade xubumtu from release to release? (in this case from 13.10 to 14.04) [19:18] or clean install would be better? [19:19] i prefer clean insatll.. otherwise, the update manager should offer [19:41] Seeders! \o/ 59 mins remaining :3 [19:45] drmad: I'm uploading at 500KB/s on just the one torrent. :) [19:51] Unit193: \o/ [20:10] holstein: is do-release-upgrade supposed to work yet? [20:10] No. [20:10] You have to wait until the mirrors are synced. [20:12] I installed Xubuntu.14.03 beta. Do I have to reinstall now that the final version has been released or a simple apt-get update and upgrade will do? [20:13] juanmontoya: i think that will work, also apt-get dist-upgrade [20:13] (y) thanks. [20:19] !final | juanmontoya [20:19] juanmontoya: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Trusty and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 14.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. [20:20] :O [20:23] anyone know how I can back up the settings of xchat ? so when I upgrade to latest xubuntu I can restore it to how I have it now ? [20:24] Arceye: the settings should not be affected by upgrade [20:25] Arceye: they are probably store in ~/.xchat or ~/.config/xchat if you want to backup [20:26] mikeche1en, I downloaded iso, put it on disc and I got option to clean install or install dual boot. should I have had another option for upgrade ? [20:28] Arceye: yeah you prob want to do upgrade [20:28] what version are you on now? [20:28] mikeche1en, currently 13.XX , di never got option to upgrade or is that later in the install [20:29] di = I [20:29] which 13.x release? [20:29] is 14.04 out for download via the updater? [20:30] Kekai: not yet [20:30] Arceye: check if using 13.04 or 13.10 [20:30] mikeche1en, how do i check [20:30] Kekai: some mirror issues are causing delays, but it should be fixed in a few hours [20:30] Arceye: lsb_release -a [20:31] So I will be contacted in a few hours saying that 14.04 is out? [20:31] mikeche1en, 13,10 [20:31] Arceye: huh weird idk then [20:31] Kekai: yes, you should be alerted [20:31] Arceye: just wait for the update through software center i guess [20:31] hm.. [20:32] should I update tonight as it rolls out or wait a while? [20:32] mikeche1en, at what point when booting from disc should I have the option to upgrade [20:32] to see if there are some issues I need to be worried about [20:33] Arceye: you dont have to boot from the disk, just insert it while xubuntu is running [20:34] mikeche1en, ok will try that [20:34] Arceye: i think that should work [20:35] mikeche1en, disc inserted , wish me luck :) [20:36] good luck :) [20:40] mikeche1en, disc spins up, but nothing happens, I can however browse the content [20:40] can I assume that the known issues will be fixed in upcoming dist-upgrades, or will some of them remain until the next LTS? [20:40] Arceye: try opening software center -> software sources [20:40] I'd really stick to LTS releases as far as possible [20:45] ed-: they will be fixed once someone has provided a working and tested patch [20:45] mikeche1en, :( I guess I either do clean install ( which will take days to set up again ) or wait till upgrade comes via updates [20:48] mikeche1en, is there not a file I can browse to on the disc and click on it ( in the same way as windows would allow ) ? [20:49] hi all, i find't german support for xubuntu. can you help me? [20:51] !de [20:51] In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [20:52] Arceye: did you try software sources -> other software -> add volume? [20:53] Arceye: if thats not working i would suggest just waiting for the repos to update [20:53] unless you dont mind doing a clean install which could erase your current system [20:54] mikeche1en, add volume said error scanning the CD [20:55] Arceye: oh well, just wait then [20:56] i was trying to do the same thing [20:56] but no luck [20:56] mikeche1en, I guess I will have to, clean install isn't an option, it will take days to get things the way I want them with my lack of knowledge. Thanks for the assistance [20:57] Arceye: sure, yeah i think its better to wait a little while than lose all the settings [20:57] oh wow [20:58] * Alan looks at the known issues [20:59] All I am hoping for is some kind of improvement to allow web pages to work better ;) [21:01] Package linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic is not available, but is referred to by another package. [21:01] sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) [21:01] m1chael: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get installl ... [21:02] i thought i was pretty up to date [21:03] Why are you installing the headers directly? Why not just pull in the meta? [21:04] i'm getting an error when starting virtualbox [21:04] Arceye: what problems are you having with web pages [21:09] mikeche1en, Probably easier for me to say I moved from winXP a few months ago this PC feels like it has become 5 years older than it really is. I am not putting xubuntu or any other linux distro down, they just don't run as well for what I do. However xubuntu is free so I don't have high expectations [21:10] Arceye: hmm i wonder, what are the system specs? [21:10] Arceye: web browsing should be just as fast as winxp, especially using chrome [21:10] mikeche1en, AMD athlon64 2GB ram more HDD space than I will ever use with linux [21:11] mikeche1en, I can some it up in a single word, "Flash" [21:11] Arceye: hmm it would help to have more ram but 2gb should be decent [21:11] Arceye: oh yeah flash is a different issue [21:11] i pretty much avoid flash completely [21:12] http://dpaste.com/1783937/ # i'm trying to install virtualbox and i'm running in to this issue Trying to register the VirtualBox kernel modules using DKMSError! Your kernel headers for kernel 3.8.0-19-generic cannot be found. [21:12] mikeche1en, it's so widely used it's unavoidable, I can't even watch youtube properley ( even using html5 option ) [21:12] things like youtube use html5 now [21:13] Arceye: why doesnt html5 work on youtube? [21:13] mikeche1en, yes it works, but a 30 second video lasts 32 seconds , it's just slow [21:14] Arceye: hmm weird, might be the video card? [21:14] i also use flashblock to make sure only 1 webpage is running flash at a time [21:15] mikeche1en, I am sure the gfx card is the excuse I have been given every time, but I will never accept that as the answer, I used ubuntu 10.x some years ago and youtube worked perfectly [21:16] Arceye: have you checked about installing proprietary drivers? [21:16] or maybe disabling desktop compositing [21:17] mikeche1en, In the end I appreciate the help I get in here, without these channels I would be lost, So I accept there are certain limitations which are unavoidable [21:17] mikeche1en, prop drives not available for my card ATI 3650 DV [21:18] Arceye: ah yeah, i wonder what the source of the problem is [21:19] No idea, all I can say is it worked in the 10.x ubuntu and now by comparison it doesn't, I just accept it, and use this pc for nothing more than basic browsing and irc, there isn't much else I can do with the current OS [21:21] unfortunately I can't justify win7 on this PC either, so I will just use it till it dies then turn it into a file server [21:21] and you are using xubuntu, not regular ubuntu? sometimes unity is very resource intensive === Guest8593 is now known as fire === fire is now known as Faiar [21:22] the only other thing i might suggest would be lubuntu, which uses even less resources [21:22] mikeche1en, I am using xubuntu, all other versions were terrible [21:22] but it sounds like the issue is specifically with flash, not overall system resources [21:23] i guess you have tried both firefox & chrome? [21:23] mikeche1en, Just opening the browser FF or chrome takes longer than it does in winXP [21:24] Arceye: hmm does it have a lot of tabs open or anything? that sounds like some issue besides flash [21:24] have you checked system monitor to see if something is hogging cpu or memory [21:25] official xubuntu out yet? was at store buying new tv [21:25] grabbed some blank dvds though [21:25] kupo_: iso is out [21:25] see topic [21:25] ok thanks [21:25] mikeche1en, Yes, the issue is the OS, I can't say any more than that, winXP and xubuntu dual boot same hardware, winXP wins hands down on everything except basic boot time to usable desktop [21:25] wonder how busy server is heh [21:25] kupo_: use torrent :D [21:26] yeah. i was about to say. always torrent. will seed away too [21:26] kupo_, I am seeding it via torrent a long with 1000's of others mine took me about 4 mins to download ( I do however have very fast net speed ) [21:26] Arceye: yeah something weird must be going on, but its hard to guess what [21:26] mikeche1en, the only answer is the OS :) [21:27] yeah. not having a problem with speed heh. i get good upload. about 1.3 MB. so i will help others :) [21:27] I know those words are not welcome here but for me, it's a fact [21:27] Arceye: well i run xubuntu on a 1.5ghz atom and firefox with no tabs opens in a few sec [21:27] im saying something weird is going on with the os [21:28] but i dont know what :) [21:28] mikeche1en, I will agree with that :) [21:28] its a mystery :D [21:29] im sure upgrading the hardware would help, but then you have to invest more $$ into it [21:30] I have a gaming PC which I use for most things now, this PC since February is pretty much redundant [21:31] yeah that makes sense [21:31] if you can find some cheap/free ram to add, that might help [21:32] I will do the upgrade, I did play with the live disc for a few minuted and the desktop seems to have improved over the curent version, It's started to look more like winXP :) [21:32] HEj [21:33] 3 years support for xubuntu 14.04? or should it be 5? [21:33] ok download complete. i think i may just start fresh system. [21:33] Im downlaoding as well [21:33] i'm quick at my themeing etc. plus it's fun. nerd fun [21:33] peyam, I think I read it was 3 [21:33] peyam: 3. [21:33] yes but the regular ubuntu is 5 years [21:34] peyam: And xubuntu isnt the regular ubuntu. 3 years. [21:34] bekks, please excuse my ignorance here, but isn't the difference only the gui between the two ? [21:35] Arceye, default DE, default apps, default settings [21:35] bekks, xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce as far as I know. If I had written that xubuntu isn't ubuntu someone would say the apposite. does that mean that xubunt wont provide the kernel update after 3 years? [21:35] Arceye: Basically yes. [21:35] bekks, thanks [21:35] so 3 years it is.. nice.. looking forward to see the new xubuntu [21:35] peyam: The xubuntu components have 3 years of support. All common components used by ubuntu as well have 5 years. [21:35] peyam, it looks nice on the live cd :) [21:36] bekks, thanks :) Arceye I hope so.. LibreMenu was an excellent choise to edit the menu! [21:38] knome, the problem with thunar, not mounting the devices automaticlly, is solved? [21:39] peyam, read the release announcement/notes. [21:39] knome, you can't just tell me? [21:39] alright. uploading at 1.3 MB . enjoy !! going to reinstall fresh shortly [21:40] peyam, i'm not an information machine... besides, if you don't read the release announcement, you won't what known issues you might run into [21:40] knome, thanks.. [21:43] Arceye, you like it so far? [21:44] peyam, I ahev only seen the desktop from live cd, I was hoping to upgrade from 13.10, but alas no option for me to do that :( [21:44] I see. two known issues were be problem for me. [21:45] Arceye, personally I never recommend upgrading a dist on that way [21:46] you can upgrade right? when i was on 13.10 i did sudo update-manager -d [21:46] peyam, clean install isn't something I am willing to do, I have such a lack of knowledge, It would take me days [21:46] that's how i wwa son beta anywayys [21:47] i'm about to start from scratch though. burrning disc now [21:49] kupo_, if it's not a point and click upgrade then for me it doesn't have an upgrade option. I have the dvd burned, just not willing to lose everything I have set up, the guys in here helped me get things working and I don't want to put them through it again [21:50] well. i didn't lose anything when i upgraded via terminal. but i understand [21:50] i use 2 hd's so that's never much of a problem for me i guess [21:50] my personal opinion is that command line should stay in the 70's where it belongs :) [21:51] ok. time to start over. see ya [22:06] hello === Ninja is now known as Guest70552 [22:07] ive just installed xubuntu 14 and autocomplete feature in eclipse just stopped working, i guess xubuntu uses ctrl+space as shortcut for something and "hijacks" it from eclipse :D Any idea how to solve this ? :P === Guest70552 is now known as Wulfe [22:12] well, it's time to install xubuntu in my pc :D [22:14] drmad, don't... It will implode your pc... :D [22:15] Can you update a xubuntu iso with zsync in windows? [22:22] do-release-upgrade says "no new release found" [22:22] is that the proper dist upgrade for xubuntu? [22:24] I've just installed 14.04 ... there's a strange problem with items placed on my desktop - they are not visible but according to 'ls ~/Desktop/' they are there. Anyone? [22:25] jamesmcveity, release upgrades aren't enabled just yet. [22:26] knome: okay thanks. but that would be be the proper route once enabled? [22:26] jamesmcveity, yep, or via update-manager (GUI) === xubuntu770 is now known as x770 [22:32] anyone else experiencing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736 ? Just upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04. [22:32] Launchpad bug 1303736 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Black screen after login from suspend in Xubuntu 14.04" [High,Confirmed] [22:33] yochai, well apparently yes, it being a "known issue" [22:33] i was wondering if anyone knew of a way to bring the cursor back [22:33] just trying to find a way to deal with the bug [22:34] don't suspend by closing the lid, use the menu [22:34] would be the best workaround. [22:34] so far I've setup xrandr to run and turn the screen [22:34] oh [22:34] right [22:34] i thought it happened either way [22:34] yochai, same here [22:34] ok [22:34] so i'll just do that [22:34] at least afaik [22:34] try it. [22:34] thank you. [22:34] I thought I did; maybe I muddled my own process though [22:34] I will [22:34] I appreciate the response [22:34] thanks! [22:37] hi [22:38] hi xubuntu981. [22:38] I want to know if xubuntu 14.04 will work with netbook having Atom N2800 processor [22:39] what is the ram included xubuntu981? [22:39] 2gb [22:39] how old is the netbook if you dont mind me asking? [22:40] 1year [22:40] ok cool, i think that you are good to go xubuntu. i am running xubuntu trusty 14.04 on a laptop with 2gb ram and it just turned 3yrs old on december 2013. [22:40] so i think that you can run it. [22:41] go for it and see how it runs, if you dont like it..you can always find something else to run on it you know what i mean? [22:41] after having disabled to display the standard icons for drives, trash bin etc. on the desktop, none of my other items placed on the desktop are visible. In addition, I cannot re-enable to show those standard icons I've switched off before. [22:42] ok but should i try 32bit or 64 [22:42] have you tried restarting x to see if that helps x770? [22:42] xubuntu981: if your cpu is 64bit, then it should be 64bit. === Zorp is now known as Zorp_ [22:42] i run a 32bit system since i only have 2gb ram xubuntu981, and its a pae kernel so you are good with 32bit. [22:43] you can run a 64bit system if you want to though, if you have a 64bit cpu. [22:43] PAE kernel on less than 4GB are useless. [22:43] where can i find the alternate iso image(s)? [22:43] i have a 64bit system, but i run a 32bit system. [22:43] Zorp_, there aren't any. [22:43] Zorp_: The are obsolete. [22:43] 32bit OS* [22:43] why is the current release page referencing them then? [22:44] skribblezatcha, yes, I did. I didn't help :-/ [22:44] Zorp_, which one? [22:44] http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/requirements/ [22:44] ok thanks [22:44] ". Installing with the alternate or Minimal CD requires you to have only 128 MB of memory." [22:44] hmmm, i see. x770 are you using a final release iso? [22:44] Zorp_, under the "...for Xubuntu 12.04" header. [22:45] skribblez, can i ask why? [22:45] ah, i see [22:45] * Zorp_ slaps himself [22:45] skribblezatcha, I think so - downloaded 2 hours ago using the torrent link on the announcement page [22:46] i run a 32bit OS because it uses less resources meaning less ram and less cpu than an 64bit OS. so if i only have 2gb ram, what is the point of me running a 64 bit OS gooch? [22:46] ok cool x770. i was just wondering..thanks.:) [22:47] i just went and added the trash to the desktop here and then removed it. so i dont know what would cause that x770. [22:51] x770: how did you remove the icons if you dont mind. you did remove them through the gui right..and didnt just right click on an icon and go to delete? [22:53] skribblezatcha, I appreciate your help ... the beast is just not behaving the same here ... Yes, via right click -> Desktop Settings -> Icons -> Default Icons (there I unticked all icons, i.e. Home, Filesystems, etc.) [22:53] ok, and then to retick them doesnt add them back? thats odd. [22:53] right, i hear you man. sometimes it happens and leaves us baffled in the process. lol [22:54] skribblezatcha, :-X [22:54] lol [22:54] knome: I've yet to upgrade a dist. Does doing a fresh install vs upgrading any dis/advantages? [22:55] oh i see [22:58] skribblezatcha, uhmm, perhaps it's related to the prop. Nvidia driver ... sounds stupid but you never know ... gonna try to revert back to nouveau [22:58] brb .. [22:59] jamesmcveity, fresh install won't have configuration (migration) or other upgrade problems, but takes a bit more work, especially if you need to backup stuff. [22:59] jamesmcveity, other than that, not really, it'll end up pretty much the same [22:59] i bet that x770 comes back with things working.:) [23:00] knome: thanks. [23:00] no automatic trim [23:00] I like it. Had to do some modification otherwise its stable. [23:01] hey guys, 1st issue of the day, kernel panic on an old eepc 1101ha [23:01] :) [23:01] btw great job on 1404 ;) graz guys [23:02] I need to be sure. does 14.04 provide automatic trim? [23:04] can i install cinnamon in 14.04? [23:04] peyam: If unsure, add the specific fstab option. [23:04] just did [23:04] thanks anyone. time for me to sleep [23:04] bye [23:14] skribblezatcha, my problem is solved - it's related to the Nvidia driver and how it handles multiple displays. I had to turn off the laptop display in the dirver settings and voila, all my icons are shown on the external monitor :-) [23:14] nice x770, good to hear man.:) [23:15] most times when you hear someone mention what happened to you..or panels disappearing, things like that. its a graphics driver related issue. [23:18] skribblezatcha, true ... and I feel a little bit stupid ... well, time for a beer here ;-) [23:18] okie dokes x770. have a good one and take it easy. [23:19] be safe and God bless you man.;) [23:22] skribblezatcha [23:22] skribblezatcha, thx for your support man. Just opened a Paulaner Lager ,,, unfortunately we still can't transfer a can of beer ... I think I should file a bug for Xubuntu ;-) [23:22] hmm... some pretty bad bugs still present in the final release... "Window manager shortcut keys don’t work after reboot (1292290)" [23:23] lol x770. [23:23] oops wrong channel [23:23] yw man. i actually dont drink but the gesture is dope.;) [23:28] how is thunar behaving in 14.04 ? [23:29] oh crap, my wifes eeepc 1101ha just burned the charger plug.... [23:29] while I was trying use a boot pen [23:31] o wow PhoenixSTF. is she going to be upset? [23:31] skribblezatcha, whe will probably demand a new one, it is an old ass netbook [23:31] *she [23:32] i think that you can get one of those universal chargers at walmart or something. [23:32] skribblezatcha, thats the thing its is not the charger [23:32] my dad's laptop's charger went and he got one of those universal chargers for it and it works. [23:32] I have a 1215B that uses the same charger [23:33] o i see. i get what you mean now..wow. [23:33] so it flipped out. then its time for a new one. [23:33] I think it was the mobo that has gone kaput [23:33] right, i feel you. [23:33] ya... time to search for a new one [23:34] hardest part is, fiding one without the freaking windows thing [23:35] i know right. well there are people that have successfully booted a linux distro using those uefi bios setups. [23:36] thats not even the issue, I have to send the laptop to the brand to remove the licence cause I wont agree with the EULA, I may have to wait like one month for it [23:37] speacially I am living on a island that makes things so much difficult [23:37] o i see. [23:38] I hope never to buy a computer that has the BIOS locked to a vender [23:38] right right. so if you send the laptop to the brand to remove the license, what does that allow PhoenixSTF? [23:38] or what does that do? [23:38] same here recon_lap..but that means that basically you arent getting a new one. [23:38] because it seems like thats the norm now. [23:39] maybe it's time to start a computer manufacture business [23:40] i know right..or go and check out a system76 system. [23:40] i think that they are built without the uefi bios setup. [23:40] that allows you to get the "Windows TAX refund" [23:40] almost 10% of the laptop price is a "Windows Tax" [23:41] So I wont give any money to M$ [23:41] o ok, i see PhoenixSTF. i didnt know that..thats good to know. [23:43] Outside of Whisker are you guys seeing anything really new/special in this version? [23:43] skribblezatcha, my brother got a Acer laptop and he did not accept the EULA, so acer removed the License and returned almost 40€ to him [23:43] schreber, no botom bar [23:43] I always removed that anyway [23:43] schreber, read the release announcement. [23:44] nice PhoenixSTF. yeah i am definitely going to have to do that for sure. [23:44] yeah i can see things that are different schreber. go in to settings manager and have a look around..and start up pidgin messenger. [23:45] remove pidgin as well. I tend to remove a bit from a base install [23:45] skribblezatcha, a lot of stores dont like to do it, or dont know to, just press them and they will do it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_of_Microsoft_Windows [23:46] o ok i actually use pidgin schreber, so i keep it and dont install anything else since i dont use it. [23:46] skribblezatcha, we the people are not obligated to buy something with a tax in it, much less a company like m$ [23:46] cool PhoenixSTF. thanks..i will keep that in mind. [23:46] release notes are kind of bland/lacking any real detail [23:46] skribblezatcha, np [23:47] yeah, i actually do appreciate that PhoenixSTF..because i will do it. thats awesome. [23:47] Thunar was and still is my biggest issue with Xubuntu [23:48] thats what a few say. i am a home user schreber, so i dont have many issues to be honest. [23:49] skribblezatcha: I use it at home as well but my thing is that Thunar would crash at random, heck even when I was simply trying to close it. Never noticed this issue under a vanilla Debian so I was thinking it was somehow a Ubuntu introduced issue [23:50] o ok, wow. yeah i have never had that issue before. thunar has been good to me as far as opening and closing and responding to what i do within it. [23:53] I've gotten to the point where I'd just disable thumbnails because that was one of the major issues for me back in 12.04 and it didn't seem to get a f ix. [23:54] right, i feel you schreber. [23:55] I'd run another DE but the alternatives aren't of my liking and well lxde feels more like frankenstein's monster to a real DE to me. [23:55] i know right, i cant stand lxde. [23:55] if i am not using XFCE i tend to mess with Cinnamon. other than that i dont like the other DE's either. [23:57] if i installed the beta 2 release how do i upgrade to the final release? [23:57] It's like blackbox with xfce panel and well a bit more but it just doesn't feel right. Cinnamon, something I used was nice for an alt. to say Gnome but had its problems for me as well since the panel/wing would often break (this was like 1.6 or something). [23:57] i just installed it yesterday. is it a better idea to download the new final release image and install? [23:58] james0r, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [23:59] well that was an issue that i had with CInnamon too schreber. at this point in the game it has a few issues that still need to be worked out and then its good to go. [23:59] ahh i did that last night and it pulled in a bunch of stuff but i thought the final release hadn't been released yet. did it again and there's nothing to upgrade. [23:59] so i guess i'm up-to-date with the final release? [23:59] yep. [23:59] yeah you are good to go james0r, be on the lookout for things that could be wrong though. if anything is, then grab the final and install it.