[00:00] <Rocco-_> maybe you need a ppa?.. xD
[00:03] <bprompt> wilfredo:    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[00:04] <Rocco-_> bprompt: is out the kde update for kubuntu 12.04 ? thanks
[00:04] <Rocco-_> still dont have it xD
[00:04] <bprompt> Rocco-_:    I don't think so
[00:05] <bprompt> not that I have checked, but afaik there's one yet, not even for ubuntu either yet
[00:05] <Rocco-_> maybe in a few hours-days..
[00:05] <bprompt> woops... ahemm   there ISN't one yet I meant
[00:07] <Rocco-_> well, thanks bprompt
[00:07] <Rocco-_> im waiting....
[00:07] <wilfredo> bprompt Thanks, I'll try to look at the address you sent me, excuse my ignorance, just count on me for any thing that may help, if not understand something touch me go to your cooperation, I hope not to bother
[00:08] <Rocco-_> im on KDE 4.12.3
[00:22] <OmnipotentEntity> Hi there, sorry for bugging.  I'm having what is I guess a driver issue with an nvidia card.  The 3rd monitor is flickering badly and is green with a large amount of static.  My setup is 3x 2560x1440 monitors connected to two 780 Tis running nvidia-337 driver.  I have base mosaic enabled in nvidia-settings.  The one experiencing issues is on the secondary video card.  Screenshots do not reveal graphical corruption.  And I've co
[00:22] <OmnipotentEntity> nfirmed that both the cable and the monitor are working properly.  Any suggestions?
[00:34] <vistakiller> gz for this great release :)
[01:46] <dutchuss2016_> what do i do if ubuntu installs on the  wrong drive
[01:46] <dutchuss2016_> id didntt give aa option to choose the drive i want it on
[01:47] <dutchuss2016_> 12.04lts alongside windows
[02:38] <zematynnad> anyone have any trouble installing 14.04 from a USB drive?  I get the initial screen with choices to start kubuntu, boot from first disk etc.
[02:39] <zematynnad> when I click on start kubuntu the screen changes to black and it never gets any farther than that
[03:03] <carlos_> wer
[03:30] <andrew__> G'day.. Just wondering if getting a black screen on 14.04 Final on install is a common thing...
[03:31] <andrew__> ie, never get to booting xorg on the CD
[05:08] <rohan> does kubuntu release upgrader check for available disk space (including download + temp) before proceeding?
[05:24] <jarkko>         Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[05:24] <jarkko> lspci -n -v -s 01:00.0
[05:24] <jarkko> what memory is that?
[05:35] <rvdv> Seems 14.04 can not be installed on my system ... installer crashed after error message about console-setup
[05:35] <rvdv> 2 times
[05:38] <rvdv> error says: trying to overwrite '/etc/console-setup/compose.CP1256.inc' which is also in package console-setup 1.102
[05:39] <rvdv> while installing console-setup-linux-_1.102_all.deb
[05:42] <valorie> rvdv: did you try upgrading instead?
[05:43] <rvdv> btw: installing the 64bits image from usb
[05:43] <rvdv> valorie: No because i'm overwriting OpenSUSE
[05:44] <rvdv> And formated the partition
[05:46] <valorie> ah
[05:46] <valorie> and you are sure there is enough room?
[05:46] <valorie> I've never seen that error message
[05:46] <valorie> have you googled it?
[05:47] <rvdv> 20 GB should be enough I guess
[05:47] <rvdv> for /
[05:48] <rvdv> not yet googled it ... but it's strange the error came up two times
[05:48] <valorie> yes
[05:49] <valorie> I'd google it
[05:49] <valorie> <--- clueless
[05:50] <rvdv> 2 results but not about what I have
[05:50] <valorie> :(
[05:50] <valorie> did the live session work?
[05:51] <rvdv> yes ... after the installer crashed it falls back to the live session
[05:51] <rvdv> no problems there
[05:51] <valorie> interesting
[05:52] <valorie> and you verified the image before and after burning?
[05:52] <rvdv> Maybe I try another ubuntu flavor :-) ... can always install kubuntu-desktop later
[05:52] <valorie> sure, but the installer is pretty much the same
[05:52] <valorie> we just have different slides, etc.
[05:53] <rvdv> Not burned ... put on USB
[05:53] <valorie> sure, ok
[05:53] <rvdv> Not checked ... I can do that first off course
[05:54] <valorie> I mean, it's probably ok if the live session works
[05:54] <rvdv> downloaded through torrent so I guess the image was OK ...
[05:56] <valorie> !iso
[05:56] <valorie> !md5
[05:56] <rvdv> Yeah ... doing a md5sum check now
[05:57] <rvdv> Seems correct
[05:57] <rvdv> aefdc97d26e51066f5b50d36c5d4218c
[05:58] <valorie> damn, I'm out of ideas
[05:59] <rvdv> I try once again to make a new USB install disk
[06:00] <valorie> best of luck
[06:00] <rvdv> ;) thnx
[06:11] <Guest27180> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7273275/ aaaaaaaaaaa why does the 14.04 lts amd64 iso do this to me?
[06:16] <valorie> Guest27180: at what point in the process did you see these errors?
[06:16] <valorie> during an attempt to install?
[06:16] <Guest27180> valorie: i can't launch ubiquity kdeui at all
[06:18] <valorie> because the last line indicates that the online link may have broken
[06:18] <valorie> it sounds like the install didn't finish for some reason
[06:18] <Guest27180> well it never opened
[06:19] <valorie> did the live session run oK?
[06:19] <valorie> did you verify the iso?
[06:19] <valorie> !md5
[06:19] <Guest27180> valorie: it's running now, and yes the iso is good
[06:19] <Guest27180> valorie: rhe live session is very slow to start applications
[06:20] <valorie> yes, it would be
[06:20] <Guest27180> it takes 20 seconds to start loading anything
[06:20] <Guest27180> my fedora disc launched thigns pretty much instantly
[06:20] <salsero|2> its  reading from the cd...
[06:20] <Guest27180> Well it shouldn't be 10x slower than kde fedora
[06:21] <Guest27180> quassel took 30 seconds to open, but on fedora live it takes 3 seconds :-/
[06:21] <valorie> to make sure that it is completely installed, I would try in a console `sudo apt-get install -f`
[06:21] <Guest27180> the disk drive ins't even busy for the first 25 seonds
[06:22] <valorie> sounds like your CD drive is taking a long time to be polled
[06:22] <Guest27180> ya
[06:23] <valorie> do you know how to access a console when you can't login properly?
[06:23] <Guest27180> ctrl alt f2345...
[06:23] <valorie> yes
[06:24] <valorie> but you'll have to remove the CD
[06:24] <valorie> actually, I assume a DVD
[06:24] <Guest27180> there's no cd version anymore lol
[06:24] <valorie> since we don't supply the mini-iso anymore
[06:24] <Guest27180> except lubuntu i think
[06:24] <Guest27180> ok.... it works if i run it from root term
[06:24] <Guest27180> but not as live user
[06:24] <valorie> there is a net-install somewhere from ubuntu
[06:25] <valorie> root?
[06:25] <Guest27180> yup
[06:25] <valorie> you should never run as root
[06:25] <Guest27180> well, it's running as root
[06:25] <Guest27180> ubiquity jsut fails to start as live user :-/
[06:25] <valorie> did you try this? to make sure that it is completely installed, I would try in a console `sudo apt-get install -f`
[06:26] <Guest27180> valorie: returns nothing, the iso has no packing issues
[06:26] <valorie> well, sounds as if you have a genuine bug
[06:27] <Guest27180> ok that's nice, my terminal is frozen
[06:28] <Guest27180> for some reason kde says there's 1 running job in the tray, no clue why
[06:29] <valorie> perhaps wait a min, and see if install -f is actually doing something?
[06:29] <Guest27180> well i was ogint o copy paste the 0 to upgrade install etc but right clicking the temrinal froze it, nice
[06:30] <Guest27180> and ny disk drive spun down.... and the terminal is not frozen again
[06:30] <Guest27180> ok so there's some horrible distro bug in 1404
[06:30] <salsero|2> crap, the upgrader is removing losts of packages, gonna have to reinstall a lot of stuff
[06:30] <salsero|2> lots*
[06:31] <Guest27180> i manually update because apt is stupid and can't hadnle multiple versions like yum
[06:31] <valorie> well, you can always install `kubuntu-desktop`
[06:31] <valorie> multiple versions of what?
[06:31] <Guest27180> valorie: packages
[06:32] <valorie> that sounds like a nightmare
[06:32] <Guest27180> valorie: so when you updage apt will riip thigns out before
[06:32] <valorie> why would you want multiple versions?
[06:32] <Guest27180> valorie: for transitions through conflicting upgrades
[06:32] <Guest27180> valorie: apt will jsut get stuck
[06:32] <valorie> interesting; never has happened here
[06:33] <valorie> at least, not for years
[06:33] <Guest27180> valorie: debian is prety good handling version upgrades though
[06:33] <Guest27180> valorie: i can go from stable to testing or even sid usually with upgrade
[06:34] <valorie> once I found kubuntu, I stuck with it
[06:34] <Guest27180> valorie: i've never had ubuntu upgrades work... unless you rip out everything.. but easier jsut using the upgrade tol or reinstalling
[06:34] <valorie> so I've not really tried other distros for years
[06:34] <valorie> and I usually upgrade rather than re-install
[06:34] <valorie> I did so this time as well
[06:34] <Guest27180> valorie: suse is the best KDE distro but there's no LTS releases or regualr disk respins :( they really are squandering that
[06:35] <Guest27180> I'd say kubuntu is the secon best, followed by fedora
[06:35] <valorie> the suse folks are great
[06:36] <valorie> so are fedora, arch, etc.
[06:36] <Guest27180> Ya, they're big contributers
[06:36] <valorie> but home is kubuntu
[06:36] <salsero|2> can you upgrade between versions without reinstalling in fedora?
[06:36] <valorie> I don't think so
[06:37] <valorie> but the fedora people seem to enjoy it that way
[06:37] <valorie> :-)
[06:37] <Guest27180> You can, but you have to manualy handle some things
[06:37] <salsero|2> that's major for me, so a reason why I stick with kubuntu
[06:37] <Guest27180> The current version of suse is a kinda-lts release, but nowhere near as long as kubuntu
[06:38] <Guest27180> KDE is such a popular desktop you'd think they'd jsut have an official KDE distro at this point lol
[06:39] <Guest27180> gnome3 was the best thing that could have happened to kde lol
[06:39] <valorie> ok, now we are on #kubuntu-offtopic discussion
[06:39] <valorie> please let's take it there
[06:40] <Guest27180> not really busy enough to need 2 channels, unless i'm on at a really slow hour
[06:40] <valorie> KDE community releases good software; why would we want to become a distro too?
[06:40] <Guest27180> valorie: To rule the world?
[06:41] <valorie> we don't have enough hours in the day to do everything we want, right now
[06:42] <Guest27180> is kubuntu the most popular kde distro? it's hard finding usage numbers
[06:42] <valorie> very hard, outside of various groups doing polls
[06:42] <valorie> so many people torrent
[06:43] <valorie> not sure how you would get better numbers without a "signal" -- and who would accept that?
[06:43] <rohan> kubuntu 13.10 -> 14.04 upgrade went smoothly, without a *single* hitch
[06:43] <valorie> nice
[06:43] <rohan> congrats on an excellent release, folks
[06:43] <Guest27180> Only if there was a little call-home util like ubuntu just to poll the number of machenes
[06:43] <rohan> except baloo is killing my cpu right now :( but i guess that won't be for long
[06:43] <Guest27180> valorie: ubuntu does via the unity thingy
[06:43] <salsero|2> roah: good for you
[06:44] <salsero|2> mine is going to remove some packages I really need
[06:44] <rohan> salsero|2: like what?
[06:44] <Guest27180> salsero|2: ppas like to cause trouble with upgrades
[06:44] <valorie> removing ppas first is a wise move
[06:44] <salsero|2> kdiff3 kompare kvirc kppp vlc rsibreak smbclient yakuake
[06:45] <salsero|2> i will fix that up after the upgrade
[06:45] <salsero|2> i do have ppa, even though those arent packages i got from there
[06:45] <jacky> rohan: you can disable baloo by making it ignore your $HOME directory
[06:46] <jacky> baloo's pretty smart when it comes to indexing data
[06:46] <rohan> jacky: i figure once it does what it does, it won't be as bad .. if it is, i'll probably do what you suggested :)
[06:46] <valorie> I had no problem with baloo at all
[06:46] <rohan> i had kubuntu-backports-ppa enabled, and still the upgrade went smooth!
[06:46] <Guest27180> I don't get why there's indexing and akondai and all that, i've never found much fo a use for it
[06:46] <rohan> salsero|2: yes, you can just reinstall the packages after the ugprade
[06:46] <valorie> that one is OK
[06:46] <jacky> well, if you want a quick solution; I'm giving you one recommended by the devs behind it :)
[06:47] <valorie> rohan: if you run into problems, please file a bug
[06:47] <jacky> ofc
[06:47] <jacky> Guest27180: you do webdev?
[06:47] <valorie> the developer is very responsive
[06:47] <rohan> valorie: problems in? baloo/
[06:47] <valorie> yes
[06:47] <valorie> well, or anything
[06:47] <jacky> You wouldn't search against a database that has data, you'd use a specialized search engine for that
[06:47] <rohan> ah i see. actually cpu is down to 6-8% now so it's all good
[06:47] <valorie> having the LTS be virtually perfect by the .01 would be great
[06:48] <jacky> it was probably compiling a list of files to look into :
[06:48] <rohan> did we have any SRUs yet?
[06:48] <rohan> any 0-days?
[06:48] <jacky> *:)
[06:48] <Guest27180> kde is a lot bigger than macos, but much smaller than windows in terms of service load
[06:48] <Guest27180> There's tons of 0-days, whooo firefox
[06:48] <valorie> the new kdeconnect will be SRUd
[06:48] <valorie> it hit just too late
[06:48] <rohan> Guest27180: what's wrong with firefox?
[06:49] <Guest27180> rohan: gekko is easier to own than webkit
[06:49] <rohan> wow i still can't believe i'm upgraded.. never had such a painless experience in the past.
[06:49] <rohan> past being with other distros, not kubuntu :)
[06:49] <Guest27180> Although webgl = all browsers are 0'd
[06:50] <rohan> Guest27180: i meant 0-days after today's release :)
[06:50] <Guest27180> rohan: well it hasn't exactly been a long time to find more
[06:52] <rohan> Guest27180: correct, but some distros already had 0'ds (non-security) at time of release, e.g. ubuntu-kylin
[06:52] <rohan> and some distros also pushed release back, e.g. mythbuntu
[06:52] <valorie> oh, I thought mythbuntu was out of business
[06:52] <valorie> if they are coming back, that's great
[06:53] <rohan> because of the holiday, they were actually going to release it next week. but infinity pitched in and it's out today :)
[06:53] <valorie> I don't think I'm seeding that one
[06:54] <valorie> fixed
[06:54] <rohan> who's the boss? valorie's the boss!
[06:55] <valorie> thanks for the information
[06:55] <valorie> I seed all the *buntu isos
[06:55] <rohan> does anyone know how to create a multiboot live usb with all the flavours?
[06:56] <rohan> there is YUMI but it's windows only -- http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[06:56] <valorie> I used to have a multiboot script, but you could only do 4
[06:57] <rohan> 4 is enough, i'd like to (k,x,g,,)ubuntu
[06:58] <rohan> mind sharing, valorie ?
[06:59] <valorie> let me look it up
[07:01] <valorie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
[07:01] <Programmer_> 14.04 upgrade has been on this all day, what do i do?   cups: restarting...
[07:01] <valorie> looks like the one I used was sourceforge.net/projects/multisystem/
[07:02] <valorie> I haven't used it for a year or two, however
[07:02] <valorie> so I can't say how well it works now
[07:03] <rohan> i found the same thing on google.. it's nasty, the sh script automatically elevated to root and put some random repo in my sources.list without asking
[07:04] <rohan> #$%@#$!
[07:05] <valorie> bummer
[07:06] <valorie> I found it a bit tricky, but useful for awhile
[07:10] <Programmer_> can anyone help?
[07:13] <salsero|2> Programmer_: whats that?
[07:13] <Programmer_> 14.04 upgrade has been on this all day, what do i do?   cups: restarting...
[07:14] <salsero|2> stuck in there?
[07:14] <Programmer_> yeah
[07:14] <salsero|2> try restarting the service using another shell
[07:14] <Programmer_> how so?
[07:14] <salsero|2> sudo service cups restart
[07:15] <Programmer_> cups start/post-start, (post-start) process 3567
[07:15] <Programmer_> start: Job is already running: cups
[07:15] <gg> ciao
[07:15] <gg> !lista
[07:16] <Programmer_> salsero|2
[07:16] <salsero|2> sudo service cups stop
[07:16] <salsero|2> sudo service cups start
[07:17] <Programmer_> wow...that unfroze it
[07:17] <Programmer_> why wasnt it able to do it normally?
[07:18] <Programmer_> !pastebin
[07:18] <salsero|2> well, could have been that cups had a problem
[07:18] <salsero|2> and had some zombie sub-processes
[07:19] <Programmer_> !swear
[07:20] <Programmer_> thanks salsero|2
[07:23] <rohan> valorie: ironically, now i am using a windows VM to use YUMI to create a multi-boot liveusb
[07:24] <valorie> heh
[07:29] <mokush> hi guys, why is the tahr in the promo banner so pixelated? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04
[07:30] <valorie> not sure
[07:30] <valorie> does look sorta rough
[07:41] <mokush> valorie: any idea if the tahr is available to download somewhere on the ubuntu site?
[07:42] <valorie> that image?
[07:42] <ikonia> mokush: have you looked on kubuntu.com / ubuntu.com ?
[07:42] <valorie> I'm not sure where aaron found it, tbh
[07:42] <valorie> we were searching a month or two ago
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:42] <valorie> omgubuntu had something close
[07:47] <mokush> valorie: do you have the svg source to the blue banner? I found a tahr that I can probably trace better
[07:53] <valorie> mokush: I don't
[07:54] <valorie> you might write to kubuntu-devel, or just contact ahoneybun directly
[07:54] <lordievader> mokush: I suppose ahoneybun has those.
[07:54] <valorie> he's on G+, etc.
[08:41] <AjTee> hi i have a problem
[08:42] <AjTee> Kubuntu said that it is the new distrybution available
[08:42] <AjTee> but I can't upgrade it because I am getting this "An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.   This can be caused by:  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu "
[08:42] <AjTee> how to fix it?
[08:42] <AjTee> i am using 13.10 Kubuntu Final now
[08:46] <salsero|2> remove the packages that are outside the ubuntu tree
[08:51] <AjTee> can you explain me it? ho to do it ?
[08:51] <AjTee> *how
[08:51] <salsero|2> do you know which packages are?
[08:53] <AjTee> no
[08:53] <AjTee> i don't understand you
[08:53] <AjTee> can you explain me it in steps
[08:54] <salsero|2> kinda hard
[08:54] <AjTee> this is my sources.list
[08:54] <AjTee> http://wklej.org/id/1336020/
[08:54] <AjTee> should remove other ppas?
[08:54] <AjTee> ubuntu tree?
[08:55] <salsero|2> yee
[08:55] <salsero|2> disable them
[08:55] <salsero|2> then apt-get update
[08:56] <AjTee> how to disable them?
[08:57] <salsero|2> using muon
[08:57] <salsero|2> then software sources
[08:57] <salsero|2> you polish?
[09:04] <AjTee> yes
[09:04] <AjTee> polish
[09:04] <AjTee> I have disabled other ppas - not help
[09:05] <nikolaj> hallo, after upgradiong to 14.04 i can not access my desktop, any suggestions?
[09:05] <salsero|2> sorry, my upgrade also failed, I have to take care of that now
[09:06] <salsero|2> nice work ubuntu..
[09:06] <salsero|2> be right back, i hope
[09:06] <AjTee> so it is servers problem?
[09:06] <AjTee> or on my system?
[09:12] <AjTee> I have disabled third ppa's, and I have still a problem
[09:19] <nescius> I guess you get it a lot now, but when will kubuntu be ready for do-release-upgrade ?
[09:20] <nescius> ubuntu core parts are ready for upgrading but nothing from kde
[09:25] <rcw2> anything special I should do when upgrading to Tahr from 13.10?  Or is clicking the upgrade icon and following the steps expected to be sufficient?
[09:29] <salsero|2> back
[09:31] <AjTee> getting this http://www.imgbox.de/users/public/images/5whyggkrLJ.png
[09:31] <AjTee> disable third person ppa's t didn't help
[09:32] <salsero|2> use the command line to see if additional information is provided
[09:32] <salsero|2> would help if you switched to english
[09:33] <AjTee> how to switch to the english?
[09:34] <salsero|2> change your locale
[09:34] <salsero|2> in system settings
[09:34] <AjTee> and after upgrade switch to polish again?
[09:34] <salsero|2> you can yes
[09:37] <AjTee> why it isn't working in polish?
[09:38] <salsero|2> it doesn't matter, it's just as you might expect I dont understand a thing...
[09:41] <AjTee> why in english update should work but in polish not?
[09:42] <salsero|2> omg..
[09:43] <salsero|2> i am not saying the english works and the polish doesnt
[09:43] <salsero|2> in the command line
[09:43] <salsero|2> sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:47] <AjTee> with this command I am getting this: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.   This can be caused by:  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[09:48] <akela> hi, anyone able to update from 13.10 to 14.04 ?
[09:49] <salsero|2> akela: with some problems but yes
[09:50] <akela> hmpf
[09:52] <salsero|2> i had some important packages removed, samba-libs broken, upgrade application crashed
[09:52] <akela> whooah :)
[09:53] <salsero|2> but I am ok now
[09:53] <salsero|2> and in 14.04
[09:54] <akela> i have the same problem like AjTee  An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[09:54] <AjTee> i am getting an error An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.   This can be caused by:  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[09:54] <AjTee> and I don't know .. wait?
[10:07] <soops> My webcam, a Chicony model built-in to the laptop, works perfectly well in Cheese (capture + live view) but is not on the list of cameras if I try to add it in Kamera, and auto-detection in digiKam and gphoto shows nothing
[10:07] <soops> driver is uvc
[10:07] <soops> How can I add it to Kamera?
[10:19] <rcw2> are there any generalized kde performance improvements from 13.10 to 14.04?
[10:19] <rcw2> should it run 'faster'
[10:26] <daum> hey guys - i just updated to 14, but when it went to reboot i get grub_term_highlight color not found and it goes into rescue mode....googling around it seems most recommendations are to go to a live cd and reinstall....i don't have a usb key handy so if i could avoid that i'd prefer....is there anyway to fix it from grub rescue?
[10:27] <salsero|2> there might be depending on the problem
[10:28] <daum> salsero|2, found http://askubuntu.com/questions/197833/recovering-from-grub-rescue-crash but when i do the insmod linux i get the highlight color error again
[10:46] <soops> daum: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=846317 is for the same error after update on Suse, but if it's a strictly Grub thing then it might be solved in similar way.
[10:46] <soops> Last message in that thread says: 1. reset MBR on sda and sdb 2. check that the menu entries in grub.cfg are pointing to your root partiation 3. reinstall grub using instructions at http://forums.opensuse.org/content.php/128-Re-install-Grub2-from-DVD-Rescue
[10:47] <daum> soops, ah ok..well i found a live cd trying to figure out how to properly reinstall grub...my disks are in raid and when i booted to the live cd it shows up as a "loop device" the / of my raid.  just gotta figure out how to chroot to it
[10:47] <soops> ah ok
[10:54] <yaj> any open source trouble ticket software alternative to otrs or request tracker
[10:54] <yaj> I am looking for something sexy that sales can use
[10:55] <tsimpson> I know of osTicket
[11:07] <rcw2> are there any generalized kde performance improvements from 13.10 to 14.04?
[11:08] <wizz33> my upgrade from 13.4 seemes to have stalled on configuring bcmkl-kernel-source.
[11:21] <naftilos76> 14.04 is out! Anyone tried it?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:21] <salsero|2> ye
[11:21] <salsero|2> i am ont 14.04
[11:22] <salsero|2> but the upgrade was bumpy
[11:28] <ds9boon> I have a question about Knotes - post upgrade to 14.04 Kubuntu.
[11:28] <ds9boon> knotes is not working - and I have lost my notes after a failed migration spawned by Akonodi
[11:28] <ds9boon> I assumed the Knotes 'files' were stored as simple text files somewhere......   I'd be happy to recover those
[11:29] <rcw2> are there any generalized kde performance improvements from 13.10 to 14.04?
[11:30] <wizz33> my upgrade from 13.4 seemes to have stalled on configuring bcmkl-kernel-source.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> wizz33, 13.04 to 14.04 directly?
[11:36] <ds9boon> afk 30 mins
[11:37] <naftilos76> During most of the occasions where i upgraded from one ver to another i had issues of some kind. What resolved the situation was installing a fresh copy while keeping the old home with most kde related folders shift+deleted except of course those folders you really want to keep like app's or other personal stuff
[11:38] <wizz33> it was installed in December from a fresh iso if it exists yes it is waiting for a hour now.
[11:39] <naftilos76> see you guys..
[11:41] <BluesKaj> wizz33, you should relly have either done a clean inbstall of 14.04 or upgraded to 13.10 first and then to 14.04, Upgrading and skipping a version will definitely break your system
[11:41] <rcw2> how can i remove an icon from bottom bar
[11:41] <alket> rcw2: first unlock widgets
[11:41] <alket> then right click and remove
[11:41] <rcw2> i can right click and see 'icon settings' but didn't notice removal option
[11:41] <wizz33> it was form a new install done in december
[11:42] <rcw2> alket, not locked
[11:43] <alket> rcw2: panel settings, then hover on icon
[11:43] <alket> it will display to remove the icon
[11:43] <BluesKaj> wizz33, do you recall the version name?
[11:43] <wizz33> no
[11:43] <rcw2> alket, no, 1. Icon Settings 2. Panel Options - no removal
[11:44] <rcw2> 13.10
[11:44] <alket> Panel Options > Panel Settings
[11:44] <rcw2> alket, thanks
[11:45] <BluesKaj> wizz33, upgrading can take a while. mine took over an hr...depends on your internet connection speed
[11:46] <wizz33> i have downloaded it
[11:47] <rcw2> BluesKaj, what sort of success have you seen upgrading versions without skipping?
[11:47] <rcw2> near 100%?
[11:47] <rcw2> not just personally, but in the community
[11:48] <alket> i never really trusted upgrading
[11:48] <alket> i updated once, didnt like it, it took like 6 hours and everything failed
[11:49] <BluesKaj> rcw2, none unless it's the next version
[11:50] <BluesKaj> upgraded last night and it worked out fine
[11:51] <BluesKaj> altho as a precaution I use / and /home partitions which can be a saviour
[11:53] <AciD`> I wish kde would include a simple tool to snapshot your / partition before upgrading
[11:53] <AciD`> with btrfs built-in feature for instance
[11:53] <BluesKaj> AciD`, snapshot , in what manner</
[11:53] <BluesKaj> ?
[11:54] <AciD`> BluesKaj > the usual use case : 1) snapshot your filesystem 2) upgrade something 3) whoops, it broke everything 4) revert to the last filesystem snapshot
[11:54] <AciD`> easy enough :)
[11:55] <AciD`> BluesKaj > https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#What_is_a_snapshot.3F
[11:56] <BluesKaj> AciD`, rnsnapshot
[11:56] <salsero|2> pretty easy with btrfs
[11:57] <salsero|2> i split home as well from /
[11:57] <AciD`> BluesKaj > rnsnapshot does work that way
[11:57] <AciD`> *does not
[11:57] <salsero|2> but the problem with btrfs is that the fsck is unreliable
[11:57] <AciD`> it's just a rsync to make backup, not 'live fs snapshot'
[11:58] <AciD`> salsero|2 > are you using a debian-based distrib?
[11:58] <salsero|2> kubuntu
[11:59] <AciD`> and dpkg isn't too long to execute?
[11:59] <salsero|2> under btrfs?
[11:59] <AciD`> last time I tride btrfs on debian, there was a _HUGE_ fsync problem where the smallest apt-get upgrade would take approx. 5 hours
[11:59] <AciD`> :\
[11:59] <AciD`> yep
[11:59] <salsero|2> ye, i kinda felt that under btrfs
[11:59] <BluesKaj> well, i just do a df -h to make sure / isn't filling up with old dependencies etc , and I stick with ext4 ...stable and reliable, otherwise as longs as everything works I'm happy
[11:59] <salsero|2> and went back to ext4 because the fsck wasnt able to fix my file system problems
[12:00] <AciD`> ah, so they still haven't fixed that (more than) 4 years old major bug :\
[12:00] <salsero|2> not too slow, just slower
[12:01] <salsero|2> they say the fsck can actually do worse, so I prefer having my data over features
[12:01] <BluesKaj> i like being a bit sedgy but using an unproven file system is noit my definition of adventurous :)
[12:02] <BluesKaj> err edgy :)
[12:04] <AjTee> so any solutions to to failed upgrade to Kubuntu 14.04?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> AjTee, failed ...more details pls
[12:05] <salsero|2> how is your sources.list
[12:05] <AciD`> launching 14.04 upgrade now... /me crosses his fingers
[12:05] <AjTee> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.  This can be caused by: * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[12:05] <AjTee> COuntry : Poland
[12:08] <BluesKaj> AjTee, did you update and upgrade in 13.10 before attempting the upgrade to 14.04?
[12:11] <AjTee> kde only
[12:11] <AjTee> to 4.12
[12:12] <BluesKaj> AjTee, you need to upgrade any packages that need upgrades before upgrading to a new OS version
[12:13] <AjTee> I have up to date all packages
[12:14] <AjTee> apt-get update, apt-get upgrade <= every day done
[12:15] <BluesKaj> only the available upgrades  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , the dist-upgrade just to be sure
[12:17] <AjTee> done it, nothing help
[12:17] <AjTee> I have no idea how to fix it :/
[12:17] <BluesKaj> back up your data and do a clean install
[12:18] <AjTee> I have drivers installed and configured and I don't remember how to fix them after installation
[12:19] <salsero|2> but are you on 13.10 or 14.04?
[12:21] <AciD`> AjTee >  `lsb_release -a`
[12:22] <AjTee> kanab@kanab-notebook:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 13.10 Release:        13.10 Codename:       saucy kanab@kanab-notebook:~$
[12:22] <BluesKaj> 14.04 won't install due to this error. An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade
[12:22] <salsero|2> ok then do apt-get upgrade
[12:22] <salsero|2> you got some custom packages installed
[12:22] <BluesKaj> salsero|2, AciD`^
[12:23] <AjTee> how to remove them?
[12:23] <salsero|2> disable all ppas or custom repositories would be a start
[12:23] <salsero|2> but then you have to figure out yourself what have you isntalled outside the tree
[12:23] <AciD`> BluesKaj > nothing a good 'ol dpkg --force can't solve :)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> usually ppas are disabled when upgrading
[12:25] <FlameReaper-PC> I seem to have a "could not calculate the upgrade" problem
[12:25] <FlameReaper-PC> checked the apt logs it seems an awful amount of packages could not be installed
[12:25] <BluesKaj> fa
[12:26] <salsero|2> hmm
[12:27] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, looks like we have probs with upgrade calc..hard to figure out what it might be from that error
[12:27] <salsero|2> does doing the upgrade via the comand line give more information?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> the upgrade won't begin
[12:27] <FlameReaper-PC> no, but the /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log shows a very long list
[12:27] <FlameReaper-PC> when checked with 'grep -i broken' filter
[12:28] <salsero|2> can you paste that somewhere
[12:28] <FlameReaper-PC> on it
[12:29] <salsero|2> my upgrade application crashed in the middle but I was able to continue via the command line
[12:30] <FlameReaper-PC> http://pastebin.com/2yU8D4Et << at least this is what happened with mine
[12:31] <salsero|2> i had problems with samba-libs as well
[12:32] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, did you updade and upgrade your packages before upgrading the OS?
[12:32] <FlameReaper-PC> yes
[12:32] <salsero|2> do you have unsupported updates & backports activated in sources?
[12:33] <FlameReaper-PC> unsupported updates as in?
[12:33] <salsero|2> under software sources there's an option for unsupported updates
[12:33] <salsero|2> uncheck that and also backports
[12:35] <FlameReaper-PC> thanks, will try that after dinner.
[12:35] <salsero|2> ok..
[12:35] <MoonUnit`> well they still haven't fixed this in 4.13: KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/X11/konsole'
[12:38] <AjTee> i have disabled them
[12:38] <salsero|2> apt-get update
[12:44] <rcw2> does running apt-get upgrade before an upgrade impact the upgrade ever?
[12:44] <rcw2> before a version upgrade (e.g. 13.10 to 14.04)*
[12:45] <salsero|2> impacts positively
[12:47] <BluesKaj> rcw2, yes some packages can be affected if they have upgrade/dependencies not installed before an OS upgrade is enabled
[12:48] <rcw2> why doesn't kubuntu do that automatically before a version upgrade
[12:48] <rcw2> is it not critical?
[12:49] <salsero|2> did you do it?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> rcw2, you can set the package manager to autoupdate and upgrade, but it's optional
[12:50] <rcw2> salsero|2, i've apt-get upgraded a few days ago, i didn't today before starting the version upgrade, although there were upgrades available.
[12:50] <salsero|2> ok, so you're 1404?
[12:51] <rcw2> salsero|2, not yet, upgrade has been in progress for over 2 hours
[12:51] <salsero|2> ok
[12:51] <salsero|2> AjTee: any news?
[12:52] <salsero|2> lets hope it doesnt crash on you like it happened to me
[12:53] <rcw2> salsero|2, you were coming from 13.04 right?
[12:54] <AjTee> nothing, I will be back after my work in2 hours bye bye
[12:55] <salsero|2> rcw2: 13.10
[12:56] <rcw2> salsero|2, did you apt-get upgrade first or no
[12:56] <salsero|2> yes
[12:57] <rcw2> is it suggested i keep or remove obsolete packages before rebooting
[12:57] <salsero|2> remove
[12:57] <salsero|2> ok, it went good for you
[12:57] <rcw2> is your system all modded out?
[12:58] <rcw2> your 13.10
[12:58] <rcw2> was*
[12:58] <salsero|2> no, i dont think so
[12:58] <salsero|2> out of the repository i just had oracle java
[12:58] <rcw2> salsero|2, stable internet?
[12:59] <rcw2> no corrupt files
[12:59] <salsero|2> all packages downloaded, it crashed during installing samba libs
[13:01] <salsero|2> packages are not installed if the md5 doesnt match the fingerprint
[13:01] <salsero|2> i think it had to do with some debian bug
[13:01] <rcw2> hm
[13:02] <alket> where do i see the disk usage ?
[13:02] <salsero|2> Preparing to unpack .../samba-libs_2%3a4.1.6+dfsg-1ubuntu2_amd64.deb ...
[13:02] <salsero|2> secrets.tdb exists in /var/lib/samba and /var/lib/samba/private, aborting samba-libs preinst
[13:02] <salsero|2> rename one of them to allow the install/upgrade to continue
[13:02] <salsero|2> http://bugs.debian.org/726472
[13:03] <salsero|2> alket:  df -h
[13:03] <salsero|2> but the installer was not able to handle that and crashed
[13:03] <alket> salsero|2: any graphical way ?
[13:04] <salsero|2> gparted
[13:04] <alket> isnt there any equivalent of System Monitor ?
[13:07] <systemclient> I upgraded to 14.04 from 13.10 and now the theme of all KDE applications look like there is no theme at all. Is there a package missing or so?
[13:07] <systemclient> I do not have oxygen in the application appearance either
[13:08] <systemclient> kde-style-oxygen is installed, though
[13:20] <Human_> Greetz, I have one question, i get an error while installing kubuntu 14.04 => Kernel Panic - not syncing
[13:20] <alket> ouch
[13:21] <cai> massive driver failure?
[13:21] <Human_> maybe
[13:21] <mokush> did kcolorpicker dissapear from the 14.04 packages?
[13:21] <cai> I havne't seen that since a failing raid controller
[13:21] <AciD`> mokush > try kcolorchooser
[13:22] <mokush> AciD`: thanks!
[13:22] <AciD`> yw
[13:23] <AciD`> mokush > as a rule of thumb, alt+f2 is very user friendly ; you could find the colorchooser by simply typing 'color' in it
[13:24] <mokush> AciD`: yeah, krunner is pretty smart. problem is I didn't have kcolorchooser installed
[13:24] <AciD`> :x
[13:25] <AciD`> if you have some space on /, just do a safe apt-get install kde-full ;)
[13:26] <FlameReaper-PC> apparently the attempt to upgrade even after disabling proposed and backports still fail
[13:27] <mokush> AciD`: how much extra gbs does kde-full bring in?
[13:27] <OerHeks> Hi, why do i have to remove my 2nd hdd SDb to install Kubuntu, it will not see my sda 60 gb ssd, whatever i do in my bios ?
[13:27] <AciD`> it depends of what you already have mokush, try it, it will tell you (and you can cancel if you want)
[13:27] <mokush> AciD`: i'll try it out, thanks!
[13:27] <OerHeks> i'd like to go back to kubuntu but i am not going to open my pc for it, solution please?
[13:29] <OerHeks> ubuntu is lagging when playing music, never happend before ( from 9.04 to 13.04), so i wanted to test kubuntu, but it won't let me
[13:38] <FlameReaper-PC> I cannot upgrade to 14.04 even after disabling proposed, unsupported and backports.
[13:38] <FlameReaper-PC> The log still shows a very long list of packages
[13:38] <FlameReaper-PC> that cannot be installed
[13:39] <cai> It takes longer upgrading than installing lol
[13:40] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, time to check your mirrors/sources.list
[13:40] <salsero|2> cai of course
[13:40] <salsero|2> OerHeks: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:44] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, one of the devs said to make sure your kubuntu-desktop is installed and up to date before upgrading the OS
[13:45] <FlameReaper-PC> as in just the kubuntu-desktop package?
[13:45] <OerHeks> salsero|2, i'd like do do fresh install only.
[13:45] <salsero|2> FlameReaper-PC: form what I saw from your apt output you got lots of ppas
[13:45] <FlameReaper-PC> yeah
[13:45] <salsero|2> OerHeks: as you wish
[13:46] <salsero|2> so that is crippling the upgrade
[13:46] <FlameReaper-PC> I have been using Kubuntu since 11.04
[13:46] <salsero|2> if you do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:46] <salsero|2> what does that do?
[13:46] <FlameReaper-PC> it says already the latest version
[13:47] <OerHeks> salsero|2, i won't. i just want to find out this bug is borking someone elses install
[13:48] <BluesKaj> seems the calc bug affects a few ppl in here already
[13:50] <kubuntu-user> anyone here ?
[13:50] <OerHeks> i can't get to SDA, BluesKaj  :-(
[13:50] <kubuntu-user> hello everybody
[13:50] <OerHeks> hi kubuntu-user
[13:51] <kubuntu-user> can anyone help me please, i have big troubles with new kubuntu 14.04
[13:51] <OerHeks> just ask your real question and find out :-)
[13:52] <salsero|2> hola kubuntu-user, todo bien
[13:52] <FlameReaper-PC> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/LUy9jucM << my sources.list
[13:53] <kubuntu-user> i tried to check new 14.04 via live-cd. but after a few minutes, screen is black and computer is freezing. reset-button doesnt work, i have to completele shut off  the computer
[13:53] <kubuntu-user> i tried this a few times. same effect every time
[13:54] <kubuntu-user> cpu is an AMD A8 5600
[13:55] <kubuntu-user> on my 2nd computer live cd is running normally
[13:56] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, looks like no probs with the sources... strange that the upgrade can't be calculated.
[13:58] <FlameReaper-PC> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/0SKF5y5c << There's also this long list of package conflicts
[13:58] <FlameReaper-PC> that was after my last attempt
[14:00] <cai> sigh ubuntu has no glfw3 packages but suse and fedora does
[14:00] <FlameReaper-PC> I guess the best option right now is to wait a few days for this to be ironed out
[14:00] <FlameReaper-PC> it seems I am not the only person having the problem
[14:01] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, there are some suggestions here that might work for you, http://askubuntu.com/questions/360293/could-not-calculate-the-upgrade-what-happened
[14:01] <salsero|2> i didnt get that even though I got other problems
[14:02] <nescius> rcw2 the upgrade to 13.04 ended by having all KDE dependencies unfullfilled
[14:02] <salsero|2> nescius: sudo apt-get -f install
[14:04] <AciD`> kubuntu servers seems stressed out a bit :x
[14:04] <nescius> salsero|2: thanks but there are no newer versions in the 14.04 than i have from 13.10
[14:04] <nescius> KDE Platform Version 4.11.5
[14:04] <salsero|2> AciD`: choose a different mirror
[14:04] <kubuntu-user> i searched at google, but i didnt find any message with same problem like mine. kubuntu 13.10 is running normally since months, but installation of 14.04 isnt possible :(
[14:05] <salsero|2> 4.13.0 here
[14:05] <nescius> salsero|2: what mirror do you use?
[14:05] <salsero|2> nescius: but did the upgrade fo or not?
[14:05] <AciD`> salsero|2 > once the do-upgrade has been launched, can you stop it without any side effects ?
[14:05] <salsero|2> i use one close to me since I am in spain
[14:05] <salsero|2> which might not be the best for you
[14:06] <salsero|2> AciD`: unlikely
[14:06] <salsero|2> stopping during download wont harm much
[14:06] <AciD`> that's what I though :(
[14:06] <nescius> salsero|2: no, it failed so i did upgrade everything in the errors except for the kde stuff
[14:06] <AciD`> hm
[14:06] <salsero|2> but the sources are already in the new version
[14:06] <nescius> I am waiting for the kde packages to apear in japanese mirrors
[14:06] <nescius> as i am in japan atm
[14:07] <salsero|2> mine is;
[14:07] <salsero|2> server for spain
[14:07] <salsero|2> so the main one in spain
[14:08] <salsero|2> guten morgan martinalex
[14:09] <salsero|2> nescius: you can try that and see if it works for you
[14:10] <kubuntu-user> so any chance for help in here ? :-)
[14:10] <salsero|2> kubuntu-user: aint got a clue
[14:10] <kubuntu-user> you speak german ?
[14:11] <salsero|2> nein
[14:11] <kubuntu-user> :-)
[14:11] <salsero|2> just a little
[14:11] <kubuntu-user> ok
[14:12] <cai> Anyone notice steam is buggy with kwin? Minimized it wants to draw itself in the background
[14:12] <cai> doens't do that with xfwm and openbox though, hmm
[14:12] <OerHeks> kubuntu-user, "after a few minutes" = 5 min, like a screensaver kicks in ?
[14:13] <kubuntu-user> nope, sometimes after 1 minute, sometime after 3 minutes. and i am moving the mouse permanently, so no screensaver-effect
[14:13] <kubuntu-user> at my other pc, live cd is running normally since 30 minutes
[14:14] <kubuntu-user> i tried to install 14.04 on the AMD machine, after selecting to install - nothing more happend. screen black, computer freezing
[14:15] <kubuntu-user> so no difference between live-cd and installation
[14:15] <cai> I'm on an AMD FX-6300 in 3-core mode overclcoked to 4.6GHz and a 7850, runs fine for me, maybe some chipset/apu issue
[14:15] <cai> Have you tried nomode?
[14:16] <kubuntu-user> what is nomode ?
[14:16] <cai> nomodeset to run at minimal video settings
[14:16] <cai> also coudl try running the efi bios in legacy mode
[14:18] <nescius> salsero|2: thanks, i will try that
[14:18] <kubuntu-user> i have 14.04 on usb-stick and i tried to boot in efi modus and normal modus, no difference. and i am not a linux expert, i only boot from usb-stick and try to install
[14:18] <kubuntu-user> :-)
[14:22] <salsero|2> kubuntu-user: efi is where the world is going
[14:23] <salsero|2> i migrated my machine to efi recently
[14:23] <FlameReaper-PC> "ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'The package 'update-manager-kde' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.'" Does this mean anything?
[14:23] <hojjat> I upgraded to kubuntu 14.04, It's so slow, I'm gonna kill my self.
[14:24] <salsero|2> FlameReaper-PC: you can try removing it before the upgrade and then install it again after the upgrade or after the failure
[14:24] <salsero|2> if it doesnt remove too many packages behind it
[14:25] <kyfella> hey ya'll, I have problems with Kubuntu after it sits overnight, or for a long period of time during the day.  It doesn't seem to be isolated to version.  My screen will have horizontal lines running through it, and I can't get to a command terminal by ctrl, shift, F1 to reboot it.
[14:25] <kyfella> this has been happening through multiple versions of Kubuntu
[14:26] <kyfella> anyone experience the same thing?
[14:26] <FlameReaper-PC> so to sum up
[14:26] <cai> Sounds like corruption
[14:27] <FlameReaper-PC> apparently I have the "could not calculate upgrade"
[14:27] <FlameReaper-PC> log shows a very long list of packages unable to be upgraded here: http://pastebin.com/0SKF5y5c
[14:27] <FlameReaper-PC> my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/LUy9jucM
[14:28] <cai> Upgrading is so slow and messy compared to a fresh install, I just pop in the live usb/cd, rename my user's folder, install over my old install
[14:32] <kubuntu-user> well, so i have to wait. thanks for help. bye
[14:33] <salsero|2> cai ye but at least I dont have to reinstall everything
[14:34] <jaldhar> hello. is kdm broken on trusty?  I upgraded from the last lts and now I can login but my session doesn't seem to be starting.  i.e. I just get a blank screen
[14:34] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, did you have look at the suggestions in the URL I posted above?
[14:34] <jaldhar> nothing in .xsession-errors afaict
[14:35] <AjTee> hello again :)
[14:35] <AjTee> nothing new :/
[14:35] <jaldhar> ugh I have to go.  I will ask again later.
[14:35] <FlameReaper-PC> BluesKaj: Yes, but I can't figure out any plausible solution.
[14:35] <salsero|2> what was your problem again?
[14:36] <FlameReaper-PC> I don't really want to risk myself on the last one
[14:37] <AjTee> i can't install update to 14.04
[14:37] <kyfella> where do we paste images to share on here?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> FlameReaper-PC, apparently removing and reinstalling kubuntu-desktop after the upgrade may solve your issue.
[14:37] <AjTee> i am now on 13.10
[14:37] <Guest29710> privet!
[14:38] <Guest29710> any russians?
[14:38] <FlameReaper-PC> BluesKaj: which upgrade? the do-release-upgrade command?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> removing kubuntu-desktop first, then upgrading the OS/ FlameReaper-PC
[14:39] <Guest29710> speak rus any? (((
[14:39] <salsero|2> AjTee: in a shell do: sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:39] <BluesKaj> !ru | Guest29710
[14:39] <salsero|2> Guest28172: no because of crimea
[14:40] <Guest29710> thx guys
[14:40] <FlameReaper-PC> BluesKaj: I'll try that, will be back here again later.
[14:41] <AjTee> salseroj, I have done it in terminal nothing new: With do-release-upgrade I am getting this: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.  This can be caused by: * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[14:41] <BluesKaj> AjTee, try my suggestion to FlameReaper-PC, it's the same issue
[14:42] <AjTee> yeah but I want to upgrade and I m not fater upgrade so?
[14:43] <salsero|2> ah yes, so no new info?
[14:44] <AjTee> no new info, how can I backup repos?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> AjTee, you can install kubuntu-desktop after upgrading the OS is done.
[14:44] <AjTee> but I have kubuntu-desktop
[14:45] <salsero|2> backup repos?
[14:45] <FlameReaper-PC> BluesKaj: Looks like doing that was counter-productive
[14:45] <salsero|2> more broken packages?
[14:46] <FlameReaper-PC> I rolled back to my initial problem with my prior first attempts to upgrade: "Can't install kubuntu-desktop"
[14:46] <FlameReaper-PC> ... well, that's as an addition to the current problem
[14:46] <BluesKaj> try purging it FlameReaper-PC
[14:46] <FlameReaper-PC> purging?
[14:47] <FlameReaper-PC> but really, did anyone look at the log with a long list of packages I am having problems with?
[14:48] <salsero|2> i did
[14:49] <FlameReaper-PC> to put it short, I guess removing kubuntu-desktop did not help anything...
[14:49] <FlameReaper-PC> I would attempt the "Linux Mint upgrading method" but I am just not that sure anymore.
[14:49] <salsero|2> the best would be to bring your packages to 13.10 version
[14:49] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop
[14:49] <salsero|2> since they seem ppa
[14:50] <FlameReaper-PC> I have the backports PPA, that's for sure
[14:51] <FlameReaper-PC> but I forgot it's current state...
[14:51] <FlameReaper-PC> as in enabled or disabled
[14:52] <hojjat> Does anybody know what baloo_file_extr is?
[14:52] <salsero|2> FlameReaper-PC: https://launchpad.net/ppa-purge
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hojjat, baloo is the front end GUI for nepomuk
[14:55] <BluesKaj> it's new
[14:56] <AciD`> BluesKaj > from what I read, nepomuk has been totally ditched, and replaced by baloo
[14:56] <AciD`> baloo is not a frontend to nepomuk
[14:56] <hojjat> I think It's making my machine very busy, After upgrading my machine is very slow
[14:56] <hojjat> It's using cpu and disk and I'm not happy.
[14:57] <AciD`> hojjat > baloo is the new (and quicker) file indexer (http://community.kde.org/Baloo)
[14:57] <AciD`> it won't last long
[14:57] <hojjat> tnx
[14:57] <BluesKaj> AciD`, the nepomuk cleaner option is till installed , so i guess that role is all thsat's left of it.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> still*
[14:58] <BluesKaj> never used it myself
[14:58] <salsero|2> FlameReaper-PC: try that, that should remove ppa packages
[14:59] <rberg_> anybody know if OTR is possible with quassel? I know blowfish is in but most people I know use OTR
[14:59] <hojjat> baloo doesn't have any option to pause or stop it, nepomuk had. I think the best option for me is to be patient.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> hojjat, running sudo updatedb can speed things up if you run it periodically
[15:05] <FlameReaper-PC> OTR?
[15:06] <OerHeks> off the record messaging
[15:08] <BluesKaj> nepomuk used to have a role in 14.04 up until a few weeks ago , looks like it's mostly replaced by baloo as AciD` posted...probly during the last few package upgrades
[15:09] <salsero|2> FlameReaper-PC: did you see that ppa purge thing?
[15:09] <FlameReaper-PC> salsero|2: already doing it
[15:09] <salsero|2> k
[15:09] <FlameReaper-PC> I'll attempt another do-release-upgrade after this
[15:09] <salsero|2> ye, thats the next step
[15:11] <FlameReaper-PC> thankfully the machine I am using Kubuntu on is more or less a production machine, I guess with the LTS I'll try to make it stick until the next one
[15:11] <FlameReaper-PC> the next LTS that is
[15:11] <AciD`> BluesKaj > do you know if you can make updatedb useful again for users using encrypted partitions ? ie. is it possible to have an 'updatedb' only for the current user home directory?
[15:14] <rberg_> yeah OTR does encryption over irc
[15:15] <BluesKaj> AciD`, you can spefify which paths/dirs to updatedb afaik
[15:15] <BluesKaj> err specify
[15:18] <AciD`> BluesKaj > found the answer here : http://askubuntu.com/questions/20821/using-locate-on-an-encrypted-partition
[15:18] <AciD`> good to know :)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:20] <BluesKaj> altho being a home user I don't bother encrypting any files except my passwords file etc for various sites and uses
[15:21] <salsero|2> same as me
[15:22] <salsero|2> also used lvm in the past and noticed some degradation of disk performance so I dont use it anymore either except servers
[15:22] <AciD`> encryption is a must-have for laptop thou
[15:22] <AciD`> *though
[15:23] <salsero|2> if you travel much
[15:23] <salsero|2> and if you have sensitive data
[15:23] <salsero|2> then yes
[15:23] <rberg_> ohh I had really bad performance with ecryptfs.. dmcrypt works much better imho
[15:24] <BluesKaj> well , I'm retired , and we travel for pleasure not business
[15:24] <AciD`> using a 512GB ssd, performance degradation with ecryptfs is not noticeable
[15:25] <salsero|2> that should have been expensive..
[15:25] <rberg_> I also had a ssd. fwiw most of my performance problems were because I use maildir on a huge mail box
[15:25] <salsero|2> we had some 400GB ssd in our storages and each costed like Eur 5000
[15:26] <hojjat> AciD: I've never encrypted my home partition. I'm afraid that it wont work with live version of ubuntu, I mean if I need to repair or change my OS, I'm afraid it wont work. Is encrypting home partition safe?
[15:27] <hojjat> AciD`: is it?
[15:27] <AciD`> hojjat > with encryption, you gain security over easiness of use
[15:27] <AciD`> so yes it is for me (using encrypted home for a bit more than 4 years now)
[15:28] <BluesKaj> ok , stuff to do for a while... BBL
[15:28] <AciD`> I guess encrypted home pushed me to do backup regularly
[15:29] <hojjat> yeah, sure, so I assume that it is possible to access an encrypted partition using live os?
[15:29] <AciD`> because if you have any problem (wrong update, harddisk crashes your keys, etc.), say goodbye to your data
[15:29] <AciD`> yes it is
[15:29] <rcw2> is there a website with all fonts for kubuntu  for download
[15:29] <AciD`> I had to do it once
[15:29] <AciD`> it was a PITA
[15:29] <AciD`> but doable
[15:29] <hojjat> what do you mean "encrypted home pushed me to do backup regularly"?
[15:30] <salsero|2> nevermind, you should backup regularly regardless of encrytion :)
[15:30] <AciD`> I meant that if you somehow lose you keys for decrypting your data
[15:30] <hojjat> wow...
[15:30] <AciD`> the only solution you have is either cry or ask the NSA to send you one of their backup.
[15:30] <AciD`> hojjat > what salsero|2 said
[15:31] <AciD`> it reminds me I should do one now :)
[15:31] <hojjat> :) that's not worth it.
[15:31] <AciD`> <- backintime powered
[15:31] <hojjat> I mean why would I encrypt? and take that risk?
[15:31] <hojjat> I try to encrypt my passwords. I think that's enough
[15:31] <hojjat> right?
[15:32] <AciD`> hojjat > it's really only your choice :)
[15:32] <salsero|2> might be for you
[15:32] <salsero|2> if you have classified data in your laptop
[15:32] <salsero|2> if I happen to find, I will have no problem in accessing your data
[15:32] <salsero|2> i mean find your laptop
[15:32] <AciD`> as an entrepreneur, I _really_ don't want to got all my enterprise files posted on the web if I lose or get my laptop stolen
[15:32] <AciD`> *have
[15:33] <salsero|2> live cd, mount, and thats it
[15:33] <AciD`> that and the picture of your family or anything else you wouldn't want anybody too see
[15:33] <salsero|2> with encryption
[15:33] <AciD`> yes, it's that simple
[15:33] <salsero|2> different story
[15:35] <hojjat> I use truecrypt for my family pictures and "OTHER STUFF!!"
[15:35] <salsero|2> and specially if you have ssh private keys
[15:37] <AciD`> ah yes, that also
[15:37] <AciD`> better be safe than sorry
[15:37] <AciD`> encrypt everything, and keep an unencrypted version of your data on an external device (in a safe)
[15:38] <hojjat> keeping an unencrypted version is not safe, even in a safe!
[15:39] <hojjat> But I get your point
[15:39] <AciD`> hojjat > you are right, real man only remember their private key.
[15:40] <AciD`> *men
[15:40] <hojjat> :))
[15:40] <hojjat> Ok, can I encrypt my home partition right now?
[15:40] <hojjat> I mean while I'm using it?
[15:42] <salsero|2> i dont see a need to encrypt / except /etc
[15:43] <hojjat> I think ssh key is stored in home partition, right?
[15:43] <salsero|2> right
[15:43] <salsero|2> .ssh
[15:44] <hojjat> and that's sensitive data, right?
[15:44] <salsero|2> correct
[15:45] <hojjat> so encrypting home partition is legit.
[15:46] <salsero|2> بله
[15:46] <hojjat> AciD`: tnx man.
[15:49] <AciD`> hojjat > regarding your previous question, I would recommend 1) backup your dato 2) re-backup your data 3) re-re-backup your data 4) read https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/ecryptfs.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome and http://www.howtogeek.com/116297/how-to-recover-an-encrypted-home-directory-on-ubuntu/ 5) proceed
[15:49] <AciD`> (the last link saved me hours)
[15:50] <AciD`> unpacking the 14.04 update now..
[15:50]  * AciD` crosses his fingers again
[15:51] <salsero|2> i hope you get better luck
[15:52] <hojjat> AciD`: I upgraded to 14.04 it took me hours to download and hours to unpack and install, I'm using it right now, but it's really really slow, I'm hoping "baloo" be the reason and it gets faster in future
[15:52] <AciD`> today I fixed no less that 3 bugs I created many weeks ago, so I'm in a good mood to break my system :)
[15:54] <hojjat> AciD`: good luck mate
[15:54] <AciD`> hojjat > I changed the mirror as salsero|2 suggested, it dropped from 18h to 30 min, then I'm not bragging but, the update is close to be finished now (ssd powered)
[15:54] <AciD`> :)
[15:57] <hojjat> AciD`: Well, I'm not bragging bu I'm SATA powered with an old dualcore amd cpu and a very slow internet connection. YEAH, not bragging though :))
[15:57] <hojjat> but*
[15:58] <rberg_> best practice would have you set a password you your private ssh key.. so even if its lost someone will still need to bruteforce it
[15:58] <AciD`> hojjat > you could have used an ide port.
[16:00] <hojjat> AciD`: How did you changed the mirror?
[16:01] <salsero|2> software sources
[16:01] <AciD`> hojjat > I stopped the update (killing the python script)
[16:02] <AciD`> then edited by hand /etc/apt/source.list
[16:02] <AciD`> then agud&&agdu
[16:02] <AciD`> err
[16:02] <salsero|2> inside software sources you can select your best server depending on your location
[16:02] <AciD`> alias agud="apt-get update" && alias agdu="apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:03] <AciD`> salsero|2 > good to know :)
[16:03] <AciD`> I always use old school stuff :(
[16:03] <AciD`> I remember when few years ago I was in a LUG and noticed how somebody just plugged his ethernet cable to get a working network !
[16:03] <AciD`> it was magic
[16:04] <AciD`> then I discovered I shouldn't have copy pasted my /etc/networks file between installations...
[16:05] <AciD`> ah, it was /etc/network/interfaces...
[16:08] <salsero|2> FlameReaper-PC: any news?
[16:08] <FlameReaper-PC> still downgrading.
[16:08] <FlameReaper-PC> salsero|2: in the middle of downgrading.
[16:08] <hojjat> AciD`: I hear you brother.
[16:10] <salsero|2> ok FlameReaper-PC let me know how it goes, so I can learn from what you are experiencing
[16:13] <keyvin> I'm having a weird issue with pidgin
[16:13] <salsero|2> isnt that gnomish?
[16:13] <keyvin> the buddy list never shows up on the desktop, and it dissapears from the taskbar
[16:13] <keyvin> no, empathy is gnomish
[16:13] <keyvin> I was wondering if anyone was using it
[16:14] <keyvin> works fine on fluxbox but not in kde
[16:14] <keyvin> I still get desktop notifications and stuff
[16:14] <keyvin> not sure what is going on
[16:14] <keyvin> this is new with 14.04
[16:15] <keyvin> worked fine in 13.10
[16:19] <ZeroBeholder> Just booted up my lenovo s10-3 (64bit, intel 945 graphics) with 14.04-- no launcher bar or context menus with the left mouse button...
[16:20] <ZeroBeholder> If I pull the hd and boot elsewhere, everything is fine.
[16:22] <ZeroBeholder> (correction 64-bit atom n455, intel gma 3150)
[16:24] <ZeroBeholder> Now that I am reading about thr right graphics chipset, googling is going better. That is what I get for trusting bad video spec information.
[16:30] <hays> haha i think i just installed oldkubuntu yesterday. any way to upgrade
[16:30] <salsero|2> sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:32] <hays> after a sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade    right?
[16:34] <salsero|2> ye
[16:35] <Programmer_> I am trying to upgrade to 14.04 but i keep getting caught in the grub install. It wont install and keep selecting do not continue, yet is wont work...help
[16:36] <ZeroBeholder> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:36] <Programmer_> im still upgrading to 14.04 i cant do that...
[16:37] <ZeroBeholder> Programmer_: you may have to manually edit your grub config files
[16:37]  * salsero|2 ouch
[16:37] <Programmer_> yeah i know, but it wont exit out of the grub update
[16:37] <ZeroBeholder> Programmer_: Live CD...
[16:38] <Programmer_> im in the middle of 14.04 upgrade...should i back out of that? wouldnt it mess up my pc?
[16:38] <ZeroBeholder> salsero|2: the sudo apt-get dist-upgrade was for you
[16:38] <Programmer_> i used do-release-upgrade
[16:39] <salsero|2> for me?
[16:39] <Programmer_> every time i select no, it says Installing for i386-pc platform.
[16:39] <Programmer_> then goes back to the grub install menu
[16:39] <Programmer_>  Do you want to continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start up properly.
[16:40] <ZeroBeholder> Programmer_: I've never used that particular method. Are you sure it is grub install that is happening?
[16:40] <Programmer_> well upgrade
[16:42] <AciD`> ok so far the upgrade seems to have worked well
[16:42] <AciD`> let's reboot to find out !
[16:42] <ZeroBeholder> Programmer_: you may need to take some photos and post the imgur links.
[16:42] <Programmer_> i got it to go through
[16:42] <Programmer_> ill have to manually upgrade it
[16:42] <salsero|2> AciD`: if you're not back, does that mean it broke?
[16:43] <ZeroBeholder> Programmer_: Good luck.
[16:43] <AciD`> you won't see anything salsero|2, I'm using a bouncer ;)
[16:43] <Programmer_> will i not be able to?
[16:44] <ZeroBeholder> Programmer_: It just sounds like you are having to do more than most people to get it spinning right. I just mean I hope that it all works out for you.
[16:44] <Programmer_> oh ok
[16:45] <AciD`> everything seems fine :)
[16:45] <salsero|2> sweet
[16:48] <AciD`> it's the 2nd time in 9 years an *ubuntu upgrade goes well for me, that's cool :)
[16:48] <salsero|2> never had any major problems, well nothing that couldnt be fixed via comand line
[16:48] <salsero|2> well, i believe it could cause some problems to newbies
[16:51] <salsero|2> FlameReaper-PC: fixed it?
[16:51] <FlameReaper-PC> not quite there yet
[16:53] <salsero|2> how come
[16:53] <salsero|2> much to downgrade?
[16:56] <yahyaa> has anyone figured out how to get the gmic plugin for gimp to work on kubuntu 14.04lts?
[16:56] <Shaan7> Whatever is wrong with Chromium in Kubuntu 14.04? It looks, um, weird http://i.imgur.com/eLmeVPE.png
[16:56] <AciD`> oh my
[16:56] <AciD`> for the first time
[16:57] <AciD`> desktop search is working SO WELL
[16:57] <FlameReaper-PC> salsero|2: no luck
[16:57] <AciD`> :O
[16:57] <FlameReaper-PC> still the same problem
[16:57] <FlameReaper-PC> for whatever reason
[16:57] <salsero|2> but less packages?
[16:57]  * AciD` kisses all the dev/tester who made this possible :))))
[16:57] <FlameReaper-PC> they still have problems with the same packages.
[16:57] <salsero|2> thats seems almost impossible
[16:58] <salsero|2> since you downgraded
[16:58] <FlameReaper-PC> curiously enough
[16:58] <salsero|2> disable the ppas
[16:58] <salsero|2> and do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[16:59] <salsero|2> if it changes anything
[16:59] <AciD`> Shaan7 > in options, click 'use gtk theme'
[16:59] <FlameReaper-PC> wouldn't the ppa's be automatically disabled by the time do-release-upgrade happens?
[16:59] <salsero|2> ye
[16:59] <salsero|2> but..
[17:00] <FlameReaper-PC> now this is getting really tricky
[17:00] <FlameReaper-PC> because I never had to do the ppa disabling prior before
[17:00] <FlameReaper-PC> regardless of the situation
[17:00] <Shaan7> AciD`: in Chrome? or somewhere in KDE System Settings?
[17:00] <FlameReaper-PC> I've been upgrading the system since 11.04
[17:00] <Shaan7> *chromium
[17:00] <AciD`> Shaan7 > in chromium
[17:00] <salsero|2> you can rename the directory to somethign elsejust to try
[17:03] <Shaan7> AciD`: hmm let me try, even though I can't see anything, clicking on everything should work :P
[17:03] <AciD`> or not
[17:05] <Shaan7> hmm i navigated to settings and clicked on "use gtk+ theme", it kinda changed colors but still missing text etc :(
[17:06] <AciD`> Shaan7 > http://i.imgur.com/psOFmpl.png
[17:06] <AciD`> ah, ok
[17:06] <AciD`> weird
[17:06] <AciD`> have you tried closing/restarting it?
[17:06] <MoonUnit`> Shaan7, did you try the chrome package from google?
[17:06] <Shaan7> yep
[17:07] <Shaan7> MoonUnit`: nope, will do that if nothing else works
[17:07] <Shaan7> AciD`: did what I described initially happen to you as well?
[17:07] <AciD`> Shaan7 > only the weird pure white on white menu
[17:07] <Shaan7> hm
[17:07] <Exagone313> Shaan7: else you can stay with firefox
[17:08] <Shaan7> Exagone313: yeah even with Google letting you sign in to multiple accounts, I use different browsers for personal gmail and office's google apps account
[17:08] <Exagone313> with firefox you can have multiple profiles
[17:09] <Exagone313> and start them in the same time (with specific command)
[17:10] <maq> f
[17:10] <maq> hello
[17:11] <maq> can any boady answer me
[17:12] <Exagone313> to ?
[17:12] <Exagone313> hello
[17:13] <mefisto_> no one knows the answer :)
[17:17] <Programmer_> ZeroBeholder, https://imgur.com/ktGRAXY
[17:26] <Programmer_> http://pastebin.com/b22kyYKw
[17:40] <daniel__> Hello! After upgrading to 14.04 LTS, my Kubuntu became VERY slow. I don't have a slow computer, and debian works quite fast, but in Kubuntu, windows move very slow, the start button takes few seconds before it opens, and when I type something inside KDE, it also takes few seconds until I can see the typed data. Sometimes keys don't work, and I have to do most of the tasks in the terminal. I disabled most of the desktop effects, but this didn't change anythi
[17:41] <daniel__> I removed the .kde folder, and restarted, but the speed didn't improve a lot
[17:41] <Programmer_> http://pastebin.com/Za6YJNkc
[17:44] <borko> hi
[17:45] <borko> is someone having trouble with internet speed when you download packages from ubuntu
[17:48] <Programmer_> borko, im having issues upgrading to 14.04
[17:49] <borko> i did a clean install
[17:49] <borko> i took some for the installer to finish
[17:50] <borko> now whenever i try to install something its real slow
[17:50] <borko> maybe the ubuntu servers are crowded
[18:04] <daniel__> So nobody had simmilar issues on latest LTS?
[18:29] <AjTee> hi
[18:29] <AjTee> installed finally Kubuntu 14.04
[18:30]  * bprompt throws confetti at AjTee 
[18:30] <AjTee>  :)
[18:51] <Programmer_> (gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:10959): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[18:54] <tamran> howdy all, anyone experiencing issues with dolphin loading extremely slowly
[18:54] <tamran> after the upgrade
[18:54] <tamran> to 14.04 from 14.10
[18:55] <tamran> it seems to be related to a dbus call of some kind
[18:56] <Programmer_> 14.10 isnt out
[18:56] <tamran> errr, sorry from 13.10
[18:57] <Programmer_> im currently doing the upgrade
[18:57] <Programmer_> im having an issue
[18:57] <Programmer_> (gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:10959): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[19:44] <schmitzer44> hello, I just installed Kubuntu 14.04 and I am getting error messages from muon-discover telling me about a "missing authorization". Does anyone what I am doing wrong?
[19:44] <valorie> look down in your taskbar
[19:44] <valorie> is there a auth window hiding behind something?
[19:44] <valorie> waiting for your passwd
[19:48] <schmitzer44> valorie: no
[19:48] <schmitzer44> valorie: is there some low-level tool besides apt from the console, that I can use to manage my package installtions?
[19:49] <rberg_> low level? that would be dpkg
[19:49] <schmitzer44> valorie: I don't need a "nice user interface", I would rather like to have a simple GUI for package management
[19:49] <rberg_> aptitute then
[19:49] <valorie> perhaps you prefer muon package manager?
[19:49] <valorie> tbh, that's what I use + apt
[19:50] <valorie> discover is pretty...
[19:51] <schmitzer44> rberg_: that is muon/trusty?
[19:52] <alket> schmitzer44: maybe synaptics
[19:52] <rberg_> I think I mis-understood the question.. those are both cli tools.. not pretty at all
[19:53] <schmitzer44> rberg_: it turned out muon/trusty is the tool I was searching for (/usr/bin/muon) which is the muon package manager
[19:54] <schmitzer44> thanks
[19:55] <schmitzer44> muon package-manager seems to work just fine, muon-discover is the one that is always giving me error messages about missing authorization
[20:04] <ghostcube> hi folks. could it be that the trashcan cant be emtptied
[20:04] <ghostcube> -t
[20:24] <desonic> Καλησπέρα! Υπάρχει κάποιος που να αναβάθμισε σε 14.04 και να έπαθε ζημιά με Akonadi?
[20:24] <desonic> Έχω χάσει το kmail ολόκληρο παιδιά. Και χρησιμοποιώ αυτόν το PC  στη δουλειά. Πάνω που είπα μετά από δυο χρόνια
[20:24] <desonic> δοκιμών ότι τελείωσαν για μένα πια τα Windows, σήμερα με βρήκε μεγάλη κατραπακιά.
[20:24] <desonic> Έχει κανείς κάποια λύση?
[20:26] <OerHeks> !gr
[20:27] <alket> !al
[20:28] <alket> !rs
[20:29] <desonic> Thanks! "Πετάγομαι" να δω α έχει κάτι εκεί. Εδώ δεν αντιμετώπισε κανείς κάτι παρόμοιο ε?
[20:39] <bprompt> !ru | desonic
[20:46] <gramb> hi everyone!
[20:46] <gramb> i installed trusty and cant use by gpg encrypted wallet anymore? was the gnupg backend removed in kde4.13 or kubuntu trusty?
[20:59] <OpenArchBuntu> I'm running Kubuntu 14.04 Beta 2
[20:59] <OpenArchBuntu> How do I upgrade from it?
[21:00] <lordievader> OpenArchBuntu: sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:00] <OpenArchBuntu> lordievader: Thanks
[21:07] <desonic> Hi guys! I have upgraded to 14.04 but I hace a crucial issue with migration of kMail . Akonadi server doesn't start. Any idea how to solve this?
[21:08] <desonic> Hi guys! I have upgraded to 14.04 but I have a crucial issue with migration of kMail . Akonadi server doesn't start. Any idea how to solve this?
[21:09] <lordievader> !patience | desonic
[21:11] <desonic> Thanks for your prompt reply and advise. I was trying to fix a misstyped word (grammar error) and my query poped up twice.
[21:12] <valorie> desonic: you can ask in #kde-pim too
[21:12] <valorie> at least i think that's the chan
[21:13] <desonic> Thanks volorie :)  I will do so.
[21:13] <valorie> oops, either #kontact or #akonadi
[21:16] <desonic> All kmail functions use akonadi service. kmail is usless without akonadi server. I tryed to start it from terminal but no use
[21:16] <DukeF> Hello All
[21:18] <valorie> desonic: I hope you get the help you need
[21:18] <valorie> I used to love kmail, then it stopped working for me, and i've not gone back to "real" email yet
[21:20] <desonic> I do hope so. I use this PC for work. My entire address book (clients data) and professional communication is in kmail. And I'm locked out! It is so frustrating!
[21:22] <desonic> Thanks for your concern valorie. Very kind of you :)
[21:22] <valorie> the pim people are great
[21:23] <valorie> it's just a matter of actually talking to someone
[21:23] <valorie> unfortunately, europe is going to bed
[21:23] <valorie> right now
[21:24] <desonic> Bud luck for me.
[21:28] <valorie> there is a list too
[21:28] <valorie> sec and I'll rustle up the link
[21:29] <valorie> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-pim <-- desonic
[21:32] <gramb> regardind my previous questions, it seems that the gnupg backend for kwallet was disabled in the kubuntu 14.04 packages. i build the kwalletd 4.13 from sources and the gnupg backend was back
[21:32] <gramb> does anyone know, why the gnupg backend was removed for kubuntu 14.04? can i expect it to return at some point?
[21:33] <artao> hey all! o/
[21:34] <artao> I just read that Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is released .... I'm still running Kubuntu 12.04+ (plus inasmuch as I'm using numerous PPAs) .... so can I just upgrade fully and still have a stable OS? or do I need to totally re-install?
[21:35] <artao> plz ping my nick if responding, as I'll be over in #smc =]
[21:35] <valorie> gramb: it wasn't working, and we didn't want to release broken software
[21:36] <valorie> if it works for you from sources, great!
[21:37] <alket> artao: im not sure but i think all the ppas and its software will be removed
[21:37] <artao> ouch! that'd be no good
[21:38] <valorie> artao: ppas are removed in upgrades, but you can just keep track of what you have, and add back what you need
[21:38] <valorie> some of those ppas will no longer be needed anyway
[21:38] <artao> well it's ... rather a lot
[21:38] <valorie> like what in particular?
[21:38] <artao> hmm
[21:39] <artao> oh sheesh! uh .... krita, a couple GIMP things, numerous pieces of astronomy software, various graphics software packages .. uhhhhhh
[21:39] <phoenixz> Just a quick test: Can anybody see my messages? Its almost as if my messages are not sent...
[21:39] <artao> i don't eeven remember everything
[21:39] <artao> phoenixz yes
[21:39] <valorie> phoenixz: I see ya
[21:39] <phoenixz> thanks!
[21:39] <valorie> artao: there will be a list of what is being removed
[21:39] <valorie> copy/paste it
[21:39] <artao> valorie I see
[21:40] <gramb> valorie: thx for the answer
[21:40] <valorie> krita will just be upgraded
[21:40] <artao> i've read before tho that a full upgrade causes an unstable OS
[21:40] <valorie> that doesn't need a ppa
[21:40] <valorie> not for me, but some prefer a fresh install
[21:40] <artao> and if i need to fully re-install I prolly would just switch over to Debian so i get a true rolling releasee
[21:40] <valorie> I upgraded to the beta, and had a great upgrade experience
[21:41] <artao> the command is "sudo apt-get upgrade all" .... right?
[21:42] <valorie> `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade`
[21:42] <valorie> you need to update and upgrade what you have before jumping to 14.04
[21:42] <artao> dist-upgrade ... right
[21:42] <alket> artao: rolling release sounds interesting but it isn't , not with the list of software that you use
[21:42] <artao> wasn't aware of release-upgrade
[21:42] <valorie> you can just paste that one line and all will be done
[21:43] <artao> alket ... how so?
[21:43] <alket> it wont be as stable
[21:43] <artao> hmm ... perhaps i'll just stick with 12.04+ for now ... it kinda makes me nervous
[21:43] <alket> things break time to time
[21:44] <artao> LOLyeah ... i know that certainly
[21:44] <alket> artao: yeah, its supported until 2017
[21:45] <artao> mmk .... ... i'm curious if sticking with 12.04  will break some of my software tho
[21:45] <valorie> 14.04 is awesome
[21:45] <valorie> it will, imo
[21:45] <valorie> life moves on, and so does software
[21:45] <artao> scheiss
[21:45] <artao> mmk. thx
[21:46] <valorie> artao: if you have room, you could always do a fresh install in a new partition
[21:46] <valorie> and check it out
[21:46] <alket> i never liked the ppa's though
[21:46] <artao> i'd hafta completely re-partition .. that scares me even more
[21:47] <artao> alket ... numerous things i need are only available via PPA
[21:47] <valorie> I can't imagine using 2 year-old software
[21:47] <valorie> but I don't run a server, or work for clients, etc.
[21:47] <artao> or compiling ... but I can only really do the simple stuff "make instalkl" LOL
[21:47] <alket> i prefer to compile than using ppas
[21:48] <alket> there is this game , megaglest which is very outdated in repos, i had to compile the new version
[21:48] <artao> dependency issues often inhibit my compiling abilities
[21:48] <artao> anyhow. thx ... i'll give this all deep consideration
[21:48] <artao> =]
[21:49] <alket> artao: before you do anythign you should probably clonezilla it first
[21:50] <alket> i just found it yesterday and its really useful
[21:50] <artao> as in "ghost" my whole OS?
[21:50] <valorie> artao: you can always write a liveUSB too, but you can't really test software that way
[21:50] <valorie> more of a hardware test imo
[21:53] <artao> i don't have enuf space to "clonezilla" my OS :/
[21:53] <artao> if i could burn blu-ray, no problem :P
[21:53] <artao> but I don't wanna waste that many DVDs
[21:53] <artao> oh well
[21:55] <artao> any of y'all into astronomy?
[21:55] <artao> also, anyone wanna write me a driver for my scanner? :P LOL
[21:56] <artao> perfectly good scanner, but I hafta use XP to use it :(
[21:56] <artao> yes, that's win xp
[21:56] <bprompt> artao:     I did install 14.04, last week, and a package didn't quite get there, other than that..... from kde 4.08 to kde 4.12.9  I didn't see much difference really, then again, I use lxde as WM
[21:56] <valorie> artao: I love looking at the sky, but don't use astronomy software
[21:56] <valorie> quite a few of my friends develop kstars though
[21:56] <bprompt> artao:    12.04 runs smooth for me
[21:57] <artao> kstars is okay ... but stellarium is way better
[21:57] <artao> valorie ... didja watch the eclipse the other day?
[21:57] <alket> artao: i dont like astronomy since because its very big and makes me wonder :p
[21:57] <valorie> totally cloudy here
[21:57] <valorie> :(
[21:57]  * bprompt uses nekkid eye to see the stars
[21:58] <artao> alket LOL
[21:58] <valorie> the moon earlier in the evening was completely awesome
[21:58] <valorie> and then the clouds rolled in
[21:58] <valorie> typical Seattle spring
[21:58] <artao> well, here's my best pic of it :: https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/p720x720/10269049_781690411855216_2586906936449592283_o.jpg
[21:58] <artao> taken thru my 6" newtonian reflector
[21:58] <valorie> that's wonderful
[21:59] <artao> =]
[21:59] <valorie> you should join #kstar just to show that off
[21:59] <artao> none of my full eclpse photos turned out tho
[21:59] <alket> I just tried Kstars, got this error instead: Python process that updates supernova information failed with error code 1
[21:59] <valorie> I mean #kstars
[21:59] <artao> alket .. check out stellarium
[22:00] <artao> and don't worry about supernova data :P
[22:00] <artao> hmm .. karaoke tonite ... hmmmmmmm
[22:01] <artao> i've even still got my old dual-Pentium 200 running Mandrake 9 LOL
[22:01] <valorie> alket: please file a bug
[22:01] <artao> not that I ever have that box turned on >.>
[22:01] <valorie> I ran Mandrake as my first linux!
[22:01] <valorie> not sure which versions though
[22:02] <artao> "Mandrake .. Have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water? Vodka, that's what they drink isn't it? Always vodka, never water."
[22:02] <artao> prize to anyone who knows the quote
[22:03]  * valorie goes to get coffee (no vodka!)
[22:03] <artao> i'm boiling more water for MOAR COFFEEEEEEE
[22:04] <artao> wakin up and watchin Louis C.K. here
[22:09] <artao> anyhow, l8rz y'all
[22:23] <AciD`> weird
[22:24] <AciD`> on 4.13, phpstorm menu opens outside the windows (on top of it). I use the 'no border' setting for that app.
[22:26] <AciD`> even with a border, the menu is wrong :(
[22:30] <valorie> phpstorm is an application?
[22:31] <valorie> oh, I see you called it an app
[22:31] <valorie> hmmm
[22:31] <valorie> !info phpstorm
[22:32] <valorie> !info phpstorm saucy
[22:32] <valorie> looks like we don't package that
[22:36] <alket> its not open source
[22:38] <alket> does anyone know what happened to urbanterror.info , is it still alive ? or just site down.
[22:38] <valorie> sorry, can't help you with that AciD`
[22:39] <AciD`> thanks for trying valorie
[22:39] <valorie> It's not just you! http://urbanterror.info looks down from here.
[22:39] <valorie> www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/urbanterror.info
[22:39] <AciD`> I think I managed to found what was wrong ; I recently connected a second monitor, and had to put it 'top-of' my first one
[22:40] <valorie> might be recovering from heartbleed, alket
[22:40] <AciD`> somehow neither of the 2 screens were set as 'main screen'
[22:40] <valorie> ah, glad you found your answer, AciD`
[22:40] <AciD`> since I set my 'main' screen to be my 'main' screen, the menu are ok :)
[22:40] <valorie> kscreen is pretty good now
[22:43] <alket> thanks valorie
[22:45] <AciD`> valorie > kscreen is good for remembering config, but it just does not want to save some sometimes, without any error/warning message
[22:45] <AciD`> I had to use xrandr cmdline to save my settings at one point :x
[22:46] <valorie> AciD`: please file a bug about that
[22:46] <valorie> it should always save your selections
[22:46] <keithzg> Hmm, getting random, sporadic key repeat issuessss....
[22:46] <keithzg> ssssssssssssiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnncceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee                     ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhe upgrade to 14.04.
[22:47] <keithzg> ...none of the above was intentional :(
[22:47] <AciD`> valorie > for instance, the star are greyed out everywhere
[22:47] <AciD`> but when I use `xrandr` I can see 'primary' marked next to one of my screen
[22:48] <AciD`> (the stars on the screens in kscreen)
[22:48] <valorie> interesting
[22:50] <keithzg> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrriously this is driving me crazy :(
[22:52] <valorie> woah keithzg
[22:53] <bprompt> ahemm
[22:53] <valorie> AciD`: i would file the bug in bugs.kde.org, because I don't think it's a packaging issue
[22:53] <bprompt> wasdat?    someone has a stuck key or something
[22:53] <valorie> keithzg: said it was since upgrade to 14.04
[22:53] <valorie> I've not seen any other reports of this
[22:53] <keithzg> No stuck keys, just upgraded to 14.04 and suddenly key repeat is sporadically going crazy
[22:54] <keithzg> very  strraaannggggeeeee........
[22:54] <keithzg> arghh
[22:54] <AciD`> keithzg > have you checked your keyboard settings
[22:55] <keithzg> AciD`: Well, sure, it all looks fine (delay: 660 ms, Rate: 25.00 repeats/s) . . . but the problem is sporadic bursts of *extremely* quick repeats.
[22:56] <keithzg> The text cursor also speeds up when it happens.
[22:57] <AciD`> any weird cpu usage when this happens?
[22:57] <keithzg> Huh, it seems to be following an accelerating curve.
[22:58] <keithzg> Well, I have no idea what baloo_file_extr is, and it and plasma-desktop keep popping up in low-to-mid cpu usage, but other than that all looks fine from top.
[22:59] <AciD`> keithzg > baloo is the new nepomuk, only 1000000 times better
[22:59] <keithzg> Ah
[23:00] <keithzg> Hmm. Well, it does seem to be munching away, but is that really something one'd expect to affect key repeat in a sine-curve-like fashion?
[23:03] <keithzg> Okay, not sine curve, it seems to slowly slope up and then, from the height of the speed, drop back down again to normal speed instantly.
[23:06] <AciD`> keithzg > usb keyboard ?
[23:06] <AciD`> try another port
[23:06] <AciD`> then try another keyboard
[23:06] <keithzg> Well, it was working before the upgrade, and but I guess I could try that.
[23:07] <keithzg> I just noticed that in Chrome, the little spinning half-circles are *also* speeding up and suddenly slowiinnnnnnng down in time with this, too.
[23:09] <AciD`> keithzg > have you rebooted since the upgrade?
[23:10] <keithzg> AciD`: Nope, might as well try, brb
[23:10] <AciD`> 50€ everything's fine on keithzg computer when he logs back :)
[23:16] <keithzg> Well, so far so good...
[23:17] <AciD`> [01:10:52] <AciD`> 50€ everything's fine on keithzg computer when he logs back :)
[23:17] <AciD`> ;)
[23:17] <keithzg> Heh
[23:17] <AciD`> I accept bitcoins too ;)
[23:18] <keithzg> Still baffled by what it could've been, though.
[23:18] <AciD`> keithzg > perhaps you could report the problem, and the workaround ?
[23:19] <AciD`> for others
[23:24] <keithzg> Huh, I went to report the bug (little that I know), it directed me first to the Reporting Bugs wiki page, and noticing it doesn't yet link to the Trusty release notes I intended to add that.
[23:24] <keithzg> But trying to edit ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs?action=edit&editor=text ) and it gives an Apache Internal Server Error page instead.
[23:31] <keithzg> Works now, wonder if the server was just briefly overloaded.
[23:32] <keithzg> whoa, hey, since when is Firefox my default browser? (ubuntu-bug just opened it; does it not respect KDE's settings and pull from Unity/GNOME instead?)
[23:37] <naftilos76> has anybody had a smooth upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04?
[23:38] <keithzg> Other than the weird speed issue before my second reboot, and me not checking which packages it wanted to uninstall (seriously, removing lancelot, yakuake, muon and weather backgrounds? Not cool) it's been smooth so far.
[23:40] <code_chimp> Not me, my Chromium is screwd up now - it throws many gtk errors on keypress events
[23:40] <keithzg> Hmm I heard Chromium was expected to be in a somewhat questionable state unfortunately.
[23:41] <code_chimp> It had the same effect on chrome-unstable - but restoring chrome-stable seemed to fix it
[23:42] <naftilos76> it seems that a fresh install is the way to go
[23:44] <keithzg> Hmm, Muon isn't showing all my packages now.
[23:45] <mefisto_> is there a way to search for things currently installed from packages containing "kxstudio" ?
[23:46] <AciD`> keithzg > yakuake hasn't been removed on my end
[23:46] <code_chimp> dpkg --get-selections | grep kxstudio ?
[23:46] <bprompt> mefisto_:    you could try   apt-cache pkgnames | grep kxstudio
[23:46] <mefisto_> thanks code_chimp and bprompt
[23:47] <bprompt> mefisto_:    I think dpkg -L gives you also the list too
[23:48] <AciD`> or you could do : dpkg -S `which kxstudio`
[23:48] <bprompt> mefisto_:     you could also just install  Synaptics, is better than Muon IMO
[23:48] <bprompt> mefisto_:   and shows what's installed, files and all, and has filters
[23:48] <AciD`> synaptics is gtk :(
[23:49] <bprompt> AciD`: .... yes, and works better than Muon IMO
[23:49] <keithzg> AciD`: Oh, I'm far from surprised that it wasn't everyone, WAY too much was uninstalled (including Rekonq) for it to be a general problem, someone woulda noticed heh.
[23:49] <keithzg> Well, I definitely like Muon more than Synaptic these days...which makes me that much sadder that mine seems to be broken after the upgrade. I mean sure, I use apt-get and aptitude most of the time anyways, but still.
[23:50] <AciD`> bprompt > you do know that muon comes with different flavor, and one is _very_ close to synaptics
[23:50] <code_chimp> Weird, my Rekonq is still installed
[23:51] <mefisto_> kxstudio ppa broke my shiny new 14.04 by the way
[23:51] <bprompt> keithzg:     well, I do have Muon, but Synaptics does much more, better searching and package listing, can be very fine-grained, like say in this last case, in Synaptics you simply go to "installed" section and type in "kxstudio" and will show everything filtered through
[23:51] <keithzg> bprompt: Yeah . . . just like Muon!
[23:52] <bprompt> AciD`:      ahemm... .. well. I only have the default flavor I gather
[23:52] <bprompt> keithzg:     well... not quite, I get more of the listing from Synaptics than I get from Muon
[23:53] <bprompt> keithzg:    and as you said, some packages just don't show in Muon, and I can pick them up in Synaptics
[23:53] <keithzg> bprompt: My problem is only since the upgrade, and seems to be it failing to update its cache. Don't take the bug I'm experiencing as a standard state for Muon!
[23:53] <AciD`> bprompt > it should look like that : http://imgur.com/WeS9lO0
[23:55] <bprompt> AciD`:     well, mine doesn't look like that, btw I had the issue from the older package manager... what was the name...    python-based something
[23:56] <AciD`> kpackagekit?
[23:56] <bprompt> yeap
[23:56] <keithzg> bprompt: To follow up on what AciD` is saying, this is what Muon Package Manager looks like when filtering by installed and looking for something specific: http://picpaste.com/muon_all_installed_packages_plasma.png
[23:56] <keithzg> Muon Package Manager isn't installed by default these days AFAIK. But it's deliberately a direct, Qt/KDE-based replacement for Synaptic.
[23:58] <bprompt> keithzg:    well, mine, 12.04, doesn't look like that
[23:58] <bprompt> and I don't recall if on 14.04 it was  either..
[23:58] <keithzg> bprompt: Again, you probably aren't using Muon Package Manager.
[23:58] <keithzg> You're probably using one of the other variants within the Muon suite.
[23:58]  * bprompt checks about
[23:59] <bprompt> ohhh right... this is the software center =|
[23:59] <keithzg> heh I outright uninstalled that one
[23:59] <bprompt> hehe... I don;'t mind it... but I use mostly synaptics