[00:06] <hallyn> sarnold: hey, seems like something you'd know - do you remember koneko, the old program that turned your cursor into a mouse and drew a cat chasing the mouse if it moved, and sleeping otherwise?
[00:06] <hallyn> wondering if that code is sitting around anywhere :)
[00:06] <hallyn> maybe i should check the old sunsite or whatever it was
[00:07] <sarnold> hallyn: haha, that does sound vaguely familiar, but I couldn't tell you the name of the thing...
[00:08] <Pici> !info oneko
[00:08] <hallyn> sarnold: the name was koneko,
[00:08] <hallyn> d'oh
[00:08] <hallyn> Pici: you rock, thx
[00:08] <sarnold> Pici: haha, nice :)
[00:08] <Pici> hallyn: np :)
[00:08] <hallyn> yay!  there's a cat on my screen
[00:09] <bekks> hallyn: catbuntu? :)
[00:09] <sarnold> I think we can all agree that mir won't really take off until this thing has been ported
[00:09] <hallyn> alas it's not changing my cursor, but i can live with that
[00:09] <hallyn> sarnold: hear hear!
[00:09] <hallyn> my phone needs oneko
[00:10] <hallyn> now i can get back to getting Xspice to work
[00:28] <hallyn> hm, i honestly don't see how this was ever meant to work.  'qxl->st->dispatcher = some_fn(qxl)', where some_fn dereferences qxl->st_dispatcher->somefield
[00:30] <sarnold> changing dispatcher from deadline to noop or similar?
[01:12] <hallyn> it's at startup,         qxl->st->dispatcher = red_dispatcher_init(qxl);
[01:12] <hallyn> anyway my laptop's being comandeered, will have to look later
[01:46] <hallyn> sarnold: ah, i see, the newer upstream git doesn't do it that way
[01:46] <sarnold> hallyn: haha, good :)
[01:46] <hallyn> what we need is a maintainer for this stuff
[01:47] <hallyn> sarnold: you're bored right? :)
[01:47] <sarnold> hallyn: lol
[01:49] <hallyn> well i don't see how this ever worked anywyere.  i suppose i could grab fedora pkgs and see what they do there,
[01:49] <hallyn> but i guess best bet is to figure out how to make a pkg from git (bc they haven't done a new release tarball;  but ther eare empty directories in git)
[01:50] <sarnold> hallyn: which package is this?
[01:50] <hallyn> sarnold: it's in libspice-server1,
[01:51] <hallyn> though to exercise it you use xserver-xspice
[01:51] <hallyn> my goal is to run ubuntu-desktop from a container
[01:51] <hallyn> it's gonna ROCK
[01:51] <sarnold> ooo
[01:51]  * hallyn does a king julian dance
[02:11] <hallyn> bah git submodules are stupid
[02:12] <hallyn> bc if i git clone git://a/b, then git clone b b-1, then i can't go into b-1 and do git submodule update
[02:12] <hallyn> or maybe that's just bc this site is abbreviating in .gitmodules..
[02:14] <ddsss> does ubuntu have some web-based rss reader as a package?
[02:17] <hallyn> not sure how you mean web-based.
[02:17] <hallyn> you mean you'd run a server which fetches rss content, and you read it with a browser from your server?
[02:17] <hallyn> ppl seem to like liferea, i use rss2email myself
[02:18] <hallyn> then i have a cron script pushing the resulting emails to pocket
[02:19] <hallyn> so i read them from my ereader and sometimes from fireefox with the pocket plugin
[02:24] <ddsss> hallyn, I mean like news plugin for owncloud, but not ownloud
[02:25] <ddsss> hallyn, meaning I can open gui ina  browser from anywhere and read use rss.
[02:26] <sarnold> hallyn: fwiw red_dispatcher_init() doesn't ring any alarm bells for me..
[02:26] <sarnold>     red_dispatcher = spice_new0(RedDispatcher, 1);
[02:26] <sarnold>     init_data.qxl = red_dispatcher->qxl = qxl;
[02:26] <sarnold> those two lines make it feel kosher
[02:27] <ddsss> hallyn, ahh - i see - there is a tiny tiny rss plugin or something as a web gui?
[02:28] <hallyn> sarnold: red_dispatcher_add_memslot()
[02:28] <hallyn> it gets dispatcher which is the qxl->st
[02:28] <hallyn> then it sends &dispatcher->dispatcher to dispatcher_send_message
[02:29] <hallyn> dispatcher was NULL, so it's sending 0x88, which is the offset of dispathcer in RedDispatcher
[02:29] <hallyn> then dispatcher_sned_message() dereferences that
[02:29] <sarnold> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7272383/
[02:29] <sarnold> hallyn: how on earth does -that- work?
[02:30] <hallyn> it works like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729054 :)
[02:31] <sarnold> hallyn: I'd expect that could only work if QXLWorker looked like struct QXLWorker { struct RedDispatcher foo; .. }
[02:31] <sarnold> hallyn: hahahahaha
[02:32] <sarnold> hallyn: such sadness :(
[02:33] <hallyn> much corrupt
[02:34] <hallyn> ddsss: there are a ton of options... but the nature of rss is that something has to fetch and/or store it;  yeah you can run ttrss
[02:34] <hallyn> http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/rss-over-pocket/     that's what i do.  works great for me
[02:35] <hallyn> maint.mk: found non-public submodule commit
[02:35] <hallyn> oh for pete's sake
[02:35] <sarnold> hallyn: the gift that keeps on giving...
[02:36] <hallyn> haha, i just rm -rf the .git and then Makefile.am skips that annoying check
[02:37] <hallyn> and... i've got packages.  i'll wait a minute to take wagers about how badly they perform
[02:37] <hallyn> 2 beers for "hoses the container entirely", 1 for "works worse than before", 3 for "fixes the bug"
[02:39] <hallyn> IT WORKS
[02:40] <sarnold> three beers for hallyn!
[02:43] <hallyn> three beers >> three cheers :)
[02:43] <sarnold> yes! :)
[02:45] <sarnold> goodnight hallyn :) have fun breaking things :)
[02:45] <hallyn> :)   thx - good ngiht
[04:28] <MavKen> any success installing phalcon on ubuntu 14.04?  phpinfo not showing phalcon...have tried several times following same instructions i used to install on 12.04 and it worked for it
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:08] <LeMike> Hello. Is it possible to have a smb mount act like a synced folder? (so that files are still there after umount) One way could be rsync every minute with another folder but I guess there is some better way :)
[13:09] <DarkStar1> hi all. This might be a stupid question, but I am setting up a mail-server following this: https://www.exratione.com/2012/05/a-mailserver-on-ubuntu-1204-postfix-dovecot-mysql/ and editing the amavis content_filter_mode file. It says to uncomment the lines in that file.
[13:09] <DarkStar1> what I want to know is that does the @ serve as comments?
[13:10] <DarkStar1> I would’ve thought the # were the comment lines and would be readily commented except in the files they’re not
[13:15] <mardraum> DarkStar1: looks like they are already uncommented in the example, you are right, the # are comments
[13:15] <bekks> DarkStar1: Better follow this guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Mail_Server_setup
[13:16] <DarkStar1> Thanks guys. I just wanted to be sure because I know some setup files have 2 comment delimiters
[13:16] <mardraum> DarkStar1: you are jumping in deep with that tutorial. While I think amavis is useful for protecting clients, something has to be said for just getting you major systems working first and adding things from there, if you are new?
[13:17] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I am new.
[13:17] <mardraum> work on understanding postfix first then
[13:17] <mardraum> work out how you want to use php
[13:17] <mardraum> for example, these days I prefer using php-fpm and nginx
[13:18] <Roy___> Hello, can someone help me install something on my mount using apt-get ?
[13:18] <mardraum> don't think because of that tutorial it's the only way
[13:18] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I wish I had that luxury to understand postfix. But I am only a newbie admin and my boss insists on me setting this thing up within the next few days.
[13:18] <mardraum> ugh
[13:19] <mardraum> all of it? or does he just need mail coming in for now?
[13:19] <mardraum> he/she
[13:19] <DarkStar1> mardraum: no. I am meant to migrate a client’s email onto our system
[13:19] <mardraum> ok
[13:20] <DarkStar1> so after this setup I need to copy the db and the mail directories over
[13:20] <mardraum> well the ubuntu defaults are useful. so question why you are changing something if the tutorial says you should, and try to understand the config files
[13:20] <mardraum> for your testing, I still think you need to work on getting each service running where can
[13:20] <DarkStar1> mardraum: you’re right
[13:21] <mardraum> else you be trying to debugging clamav issues when your mail server can't even write to the filesystem :p
[13:21] <mardraum> good louck
[13:21] <mardraum> luck
[13:21] <DarkStar1> mardraum: it’s just the timescale I have involved. I wanted to install everything first then test by sending emails.
[13:22] <mardraum> I'd also suggest starting with 14.04 if you are comfortable with ubuntu itself
[13:22] <DarkStar1> ok I will test the mail service first then install spam assassin and stop there I guess
[13:23] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I am comfortable with ubuntu but can’t get 14 so I have to stick with the 12.04 for now
[13:23] <mardraum> that's a shame
[13:23] <mardraum> DarkStar1: how are you doing the client auth?
[13:24] <mardraum> DarkStar1: are you planning to offer them webmail too?
[13:25] <DarkStar1> mardraum: client-auth is via mysqldb, and yes they want roundcube or something better that at least allows users to change their password
[13:25] <mardraum> are you ok with mysql/
[13:26] <mardraum> in terms of admin
[13:26] <DarkStar1> Ok ish
[13:28] <wedgwood> I'm looking at moving to Ubuntu from Debian but I'm seeing some weird performance characteristics with regard to memory.
[13:29] <wedgwood> Using sysbench, block sizes below 512K are twice as fast on Debian as they are on Trusty. I don't understand why
[13:29] <DarkStar1> mardraum: I’m a dev with basic admin experience.
[13:30] <mardraum> DarkStar1: why did your boss give you sich a tight timeline for all thise new stuff?
[13:30] <mardraum> this*
[13:33] <DarkStar1> mardraum: because as far as he’s concerned I should be able to do it. Because some dev he hired elsewhere told him that these sort of things are easy.
[13:33] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, sounds like my boss, you sure we don't work for the same company?
[13:33] <Havenstance> lol
[13:34] <Meerkat> initech?
[13:34] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: Knows squat about admin and development and insists everything is easy? They must’ve been manufactured at the same place :D
[13:34] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, exactly what I was thinking :)
[13:35] <Havenstance> my boss always wants to make windows do things linux can do and says oh it should be easy, my favotire one was when he told me to open the command line in windows and apt-get install it
[13:35] <Havenstance> I was like uhhhhh apt-get is a linux only command does not work with windows bro
[13:35] <DarkStar1> rofl
[13:35] <Havenstance> well fix it, because it should be easy enough to do....
[13:36] <Havenstance> *facepalm*
[13:36] <Havenstance> so I fixed it alright, machine in question runs ubuntu server as a base and has a windows VM on it :)
[13:36] <nszceta> Havenstance who do you work for may I ask
[13:36] <Havenstance> a little grocery store up in Michigan
[13:37] <nszceta> Why does your boss want apt-get
[13:37] <Havenstance> well hardware/grocery/gas station...
[13:37] <Havenstance> he had a linux only program he wanted me to run on windows
[13:37] <nszceta> What is his ultimate goal
[13:37] <nszceta> what linux-only program
[13:37] <Havenstance> told me to apt-get install it from the windows command line...
[13:37] <Havenstance> hell if I remember its been over a year ago now
[13:37] <nszceta> kk
[13:37] <Havenstance> at the time it didn't have a windows version
[13:38] <nszceta> was this a back-end server or what
[13:38] <Havenstance> no actually it was a windows client machine
[13:38] <DarkStar1> Havenstance I can top that
[13:38] <Havenstance> had a couple programs on it for sales.
[13:38] <Havenstance> I put ubuntu server on it because I like the installer for server
[13:39] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, really?
[13:39] <nszceta> so now everyone has to deal with balls slow windows VM
[13:39] <Havenstance> nszceta, sure, but it fixed the problem
[13:39] <nszceta> epic
[13:39] <nszceta> virtualbox?
[13:39] <Havenstance> he got his precious apt-get on windows
[13:39] <Havenstance> nszceta, yes, with winxp as a backdrop
[13:40] <Havenstance> well client
[13:40] <nszceta> omfg
[13:40] <DarkStar1> Me : “when I install this mail server, I will install spamassassin because I’ve been advised to, and it may take sometime for it to learn as I’ve been told so let the client be aware that some mails may not get through whilst it’s learning”
[13:40] <Havenstance> its actually not that slow cuz all of a our cash registers are quad core machines
[13:40] <nszceta> noob managers + technology is just mind boggling
[13:41] <nszceta> DarkStar1 why would it block while learning?
[13:41] <Havenstance> nszceta, I have since upgraded all of them to w7 at the time we had lots of XP disks floating around so I threw it together to see if it'd work
[13:41] <nszceta> doesn't make sense. should be permissive and increasingly stringent
[13:41] <nszceta> Havenstance makes sense
[13:41] <DarkStar1> Boss : “That’s not true. Spam filtering has been around for years and everybosy does it now. Google will not say these kinds of things. Can’t you just download one that already exists?”
[13:42] <nszceta> DarkStar1 just use google mail for business then
[13:42] <Havenstance> that was my thought lol
[13:42] <nszceta> boss clearly gives no shits, get google
[13:42] <DarkStar1> nszceta: I was just repeating what I was told. that the spam filter may target some mail as spam.
[13:42] <DarkStar1> nszceta: I told him that mail service is not an easy thing and I didn’t want it on my plate
[13:42] <Havenstance> and its true it may, some things as it becomes more restrictive may get blocked and you have to add custom filters in
[13:42] <DarkStar1> but he went ahead and got it
[13:43] <nszceta> got what
[13:43] <DarkStar1> the client’s contract to manage their mails
[13:43] <nszceta> now outsource that contract to google
[13:43] <nszceta> take the cut in the middle
[13:43] <nszceta> why stress?
[13:44] <DarkStar1> nszceta: He won’t “We’re an IT company. we shouldn’t be buying IT services from elsewhere"
[13:44] <DarkStar1> So I’m playing admin and dev.
[13:44] <nszceta> wow do you still work for those shills?
[13:44] <Havenstance> yeah I was gonna say he'd be down an admin guy
[13:44] <shauno> email is surprisingly difficult to do well.  using an established provider isn't just lazy, it's actually a good idea
[13:44] <nszceta> exactly
[13:45] <Havenstance> at least with my boss I can usually figure out some bullshit scheme that will work for what he wants and moving on
[13:45] <nszceta> there are 2 important things that anybody wants when you for for them
[13:45] <nszceta> 1) you have to make them look good
[13:46] <nszceta> 2) you have to make your customers look good in front of others
[13:46] <nszceta> *when you _work_ for them:
[13:46] <nszceta> how you get there is irrelevant
[13:47] <nszceta> DarkStar1 so how is the mail contract
[13:47] <nszceta> is your boss still hazing you with mail server implementation
[13:47] <Havenstance> yup, that's was the case with this guy, he wanted something windows couldn't do
[13:47] <DarkStar1> nszceta: All I know is that I have a few days to do all of this.
[13:48] <nszceta> You have to outsource the solution to something already established and wire it up in the next 1-2 days
[13:48] <DarkStar1> nszceta: has had me put the email server with the web server
[13:48] <DarkStar1> because they paid for one server.
[13:48] <nszceta> how far along are you
[13:48] <Havenstance> so I gave him windows over linux so he could run linux programs and since there is only one real program that runs on that vm it isn't too bad. been thinking of trying to get WINE to take it and getting rid of win totally
[13:49] <DarkStar1> nszceta: well webserver is up and running.
[13:49] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, have you looked at zentyal? I use that here for our web mail and the such
[13:49] <nszceta> this looks shady but might work http://www.iredmail.org/
[13:50] <nszceta> man I hate that kind of situation
[13:50] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: I have to do as he says.
[13:50] <Havenstance> support for it sucks so i've had to get a crash course myself but it seems to work well, supposidly its a complete replacement for exchange server and also has a built in apache server
[13:50] <Havenstance> DarkStar1, what OS is he forcing you to use?
[13:51] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: I use whatever I want
[13:51] <DarkStar1> as long as we’re not outsourcing anything
[13:51] <DarkStar1> so I’m using ubuntu
[13:51] <Havenstance> okay, give zentyal a test in a vm, it might do just what you want
[13:51] <Havenstance> it runs over server 13.10 right now, afaik it hasn't been tested on the new lts
[13:52] <Havenstance> but that's the community edition, the commercial edition runs over lts distros and gets fairly decent support in terms of you can call someone and they'll call you back within a set time frame
[13:52] <Havenstance> http://www.zentyal.org
[13:53] <Havenstance> its got a firewall, av, and it uses openstack as the email client. makes it all fairly simple to setup, i just deployed a new network controller here in a little over two hours
[13:54] <Havenstance> brb coffee break
[13:55] <Kawaiola> I updated my server from 13.10 to 14.04 and my wordpress no longer works but my apache is still running and seems to work just fine any ideas?
[13:55] <DarkStar1> Havenstance: not sure I can get the 13.10 os templates for the VM yet. + I have the web server running perfectly and I don’t want to spend my 3 day weekend working on this if I am tbh :(
[13:55] <Meerkat> check the apache logs, Kawaiola
[13:56] <Kawaiola> How would I check the apache logs I'm pretty new to linux to be honest haha
[13:56] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, they are in /var/log/apache2/ by default.
[13:57] <Kawaiola> Okay I'll go look
[13:59] <Kawaiola> There is nothing in the logs does that mean it reset when I updated the server maybe?
[13:59] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, is access.log empty too?
[13:59] <funcoland1> i have an ubuntu 14.04 live cd customized with a new package and everything goes well into it executes a post install script that calls "ldconfig".. it appears that this program is not available in the environment that's spawned by the installer.. any hints here? :-/
[14:00] <nszceta> funcoland1 ldconfig must be run with elevated privs
[14:00] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Let me check
[14:00] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Yeah those are empty too
[14:01] <funcoland1> nszceta: there is no sudo inside the shell that's created during the installation of ubuntu server.. and when i hit ALT + F2 to drop into a shell calling the "ldconfig" program manually makes it says "ldconfig: not found"
[14:02] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, So I think maybe all of the services reset mysql and php are back to defult too but I can't even find my wordpress files at all
[14:02] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, So basically I think I'm going to have to rebuild them at this point.
[14:03] <nszceta> funcoland1 type 'which ldconfig'
[14:03] <nszceta> and give it the full path
[14:04] <Roy___> does any body knows how to use apt-get to install something on a specific mount ?
[14:04] <funcoland1> nszceta: i did /usr/bin/which which and it's telling me /usr/bin/which is not found
[14:04] <nszceta> wtf
[14:04] <nszceta> you are missing the most basic utilities
[14:04] <funcoland1> i'm wondering, if i should just have it install the packages during the post installation script
[14:04] <Stats_Ethan> Does Ubuntu Server use a different version of the Linux kernel than Ubuntu Desktop?
[14:04] <funcoland1> yeah i know
[14:05] <funcoland1> i think what it is is during the installation of ubuntu server the shell is limited.. i think it's called busybox
[14:05] <nszceta> I don't know which ubuntu package can help you. I usually use Arch, CentOS,and OS X
[14:05] <bekks> Stats_Ethan: No.
[14:05] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, enter 'a2query -s' and tell me what it returns.
[14:05] <nszceta> yeah the installation has a limited envir
[14:06] <nszceta> I've never remastered a linux image
[14:06] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, 000-defult (enabled by site administrator)
[14:06] <funcoland1> thanks anyways
[14:08] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, That is all it came up with when I typed that command in
[14:08] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, now enter a2ensite and press tab a few times until it shows some files. Which files are shown?
[14:08] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, 000-default.conf defaultssl.conf
[14:09] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, That is all that came up over and over again when I ran that one
[14:10] <Aison> nice one, update fails on slapd
[14:10] <Aison> now ldap is no longer working
[14:12] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, enter 'a2dissite 000-default'. Then 'a2ensite 000-default.conf'. Then reload apache, 'sudo service apache2 reload'.
[14:12] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Okay
[14:13] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, apache 2.4 requires sites to have the .conf file ending. So people have to fix this manually, I guess.
[14:13] <Meerkat> Kawaiola, does the site run now?
[14:14] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Let me check I just reloaded it
[14:14] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Yeah! it is thank you would you mind explaining to me what I did and why that fixed the issue I was having
[14:16] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Was it because of the order of which apache goes and looks for the file directory because I know I had to put .php before .html in the beginning because it would still load the default apache webpage
[14:17] <Meerkat> In apache 2.4, which comes with ubuntu 14.04, all site configuration files must end with .conf. You disabled the old site (000-default) with the properly named site (000-default.conf).
[14:18] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Oh okay that makes sense
[14:18] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, Thanks for your help
[14:18] <Kawaiola> Meerkat, I was freaking out I thought I was going to have to rebuild the entire thing.
[14:22] <Aison> why the fuck did the upgrade delete /var/lib/ldap content
[14:23] <cfhowlett> Aison language!  family friendly channel here ...
[14:24] <Aison> yeah, but it is a little bit ennoing, that an upgrade can delete a whole database
[14:24] <IdleOne> indeed. still need to be polite and professional in here though
[14:26] <Aison> anyway, no idea what to do now
[14:27] <Meerkat> there's a no-cursing rule in a server chat?
[14:27] <Meerkat> wt*
[14:30] <bekks> Aison: restore the backup?
[14:30] <cfhowlett> !guidelines
[14:30] <Aison> bekks, yes, that's one possibility, but an ennoing one
[14:31] <Aison> the point is, the fucked up server IS the backup server. So I have to move the backup media to another server first
[14:31] <IdleOne> Imagine how annoying it would have been if you didn't have the backup
[14:31] <IdleOne> Aison: you were asked nicely to not swear
[14:32] <IdleOne> Please don't do it again
[14:32] <cfhowlett> !guidelines|Aison these are the rules - for everyone.
[15:15] <Aison> ok, when I playback the /var/lib/ldap directory and do apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade slapd, it always removes the whole content of /var/lib/ldap
[15:15] <Aison> nice one...
[15:16] <Aison> to be concrete, It is moved to /var/backup
[15:34] <MavKen> has anyone installed phalcon php on 14.04 yet?
[16:13] <pmatulis> Aison: what sort of upgrade are you talking about?
[16:17] <Aison> pmatulis, trusty (slapd version is the same as before, but upgrade failed)
[16:19] <Aison> but removing the ldap database before upgrade and add it back after upgrade works
[16:36] <DarkStar1> Bon weekend a tous
[17:12] <axisys> how to remove plymouth safely?
[17:43] <Morclye> I just installed Ubuntu Server 14.04 and it ignores static IP assigned by router's DHCP server altogether. On every boot it picks a new address. Any help is appreciated.
[17:54] <qhartman> I'm working on getting a MAAS server setup. Is there anyway I can check the progress of the boot image import? I've been waiting over an hour and it doesn't seem to have completed.
[17:54] <qhartman> There's no appreciable net traffic on the box, and the logs in /var/log/maas aren't terribly enlightening
[17:54] <qhartman> anywhere else I can look?
[18:02] <adam_g> qhartman, unless its changed recently, you should see some wget's running in the background
[18:11] <sarnold> Morclye: I saw a bug report recently about a dhcp client sending the literal string <hostname> ..
[18:14] <sarnold> Morclye: see if this looks similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1308968
[18:17] <Havenstance> anyone know of a good linux backup solution?
[18:17] <Havenstance> im running 13.10 server if that helps
[18:17] <qman__> rsync
[18:18] <patdk-wk> duplicity?
[18:18] <patdk-wk> dd
[18:18] <patdk-wk> tar
[18:18] <Havenstance> I have a server here that hosts samba shares I want to back those shares up off site to another server
[18:18] <patdk-wk> samba with acl's?
[18:19] <sarnold> amanda and bacula seem popular among 'larger' installations
[18:19] <Havenstance> patdk-wk, yes, the server actually uses zentyal as a front end
[18:19] <patdk-wk> but sounds like a job for rsync or duplicity depending on how yo uwant it
[18:19] <Havenstance> okay thank you i'll look into both of them and see if they fit our needs
[18:19] <patdk-wk> sarnold, depends on the backup target, really
[18:20] <patdk-wk> one day,  Iwill get amanda or bacula setup
[18:20] <Havenstance> the boss was interested in URbackup but trying to get it to run on linux is like pulling teeth don't wanna spend too many "man hours" on it
[18:20] <patdk-wk> or maybe  Inever will, and will dump all my lto3 stuff, and buy all new lto6
[18:20] <patdk-wk> Havenstance, that would be amanda/bacula :)
[18:20] <patdk-wk> duplicity will give you simple backups over like ssh with versions
[18:21] <patdk-wk> rsync will give you a backup, but only current copy
[18:21] <Havenstance> yeah that's what he wanted actually almost to a t
[18:21] <qman__>  I use backuppc for workstation backups, but I stick to rsync scripts for servers
[18:21] <Havenstance> i'll look into the 3 and see what I can come up with, maybe a combination of 1 or 2 would actually suffice. wouldn't matter much as long as I can set the backup location.
[18:22] <patdk-wk> duplicity uses rsync
[18:22] <Havenstance> the versions can be stored on the server locally then we could back the entire location up at a set time off site so either way it should work.
[18:22] <patdk-wk> but instead of just dropping the files exactly like it read them, it packages them up
[18:22] <Havenstance> how about a way to restore the backups in event of a failure?
[18:23] <patdk-wk> rsync? yo ujust rsync it back, or copy it how ever you want
[18:23] <patdk-wk> duplicity, you just extract it
[18:23] <qman__> Yep
[18:23] <Havenstance> perfect
[18:23] <patdk-wk> duplicity basically wraps rsync into *tape files*
[18:23] <Havenstance> sounds exactly like what i'm looking for i'll check em out thank you
[18:24] <patdk-wk> it's how I backup my laptop
[18:35] <Morclye> sarnold: Thank you. I will try for now modifying /etc/network/interfaces and set static IP on server end instead of router, at least for now. Hopefully that'll work.
[18:35] <sarnold> Morclye: heh, yeah, if that doesn't work we're all in big trouble :)
[18:39] <patdk-wk> the only way dhcp wouldn't work right is, config error, or rouge dhcp server
[18:41] <sarnold> patdk-wk: heh I wish that were true, we went through quite a few rounds of updates for dhcp clients, especially in the face of udp checksum offloading and virtio-based nics, iirc..
[18:41] <sarnold> patdk-wk: I had a suspicion Morclye's run into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1308968 just based on his description of the symptom he saw..
[18:42] <sarnold> you'd have thought that we'd have dhcp down by now. guess now. :)
[18:42] <patdk-wk> oh, I only assign static ip via mac address
[18:42] <patdk-wk> never had an issue
[18:43] <sarnold> :)
[18:44] <Morclye> My router has hostname and MAC address required when assigning static IP outside automatic DHCP range.
[18:44] <Morclye> Can't tell which is primary though
[18:44] <patdk-wk> normally they do it via mac, and use hostname for a local dns lookup
[18:53] <Morclye> sarnold: After finding how to assign static IP to server end things started to work. Thanks againg for helping out relatively new Ubuntu user :]
[18:53] <Morclye> * again
[18:53] <sarnold> Morclye: nice :) have fun
[18:53] <patdk-wk> yay, got mod_spdy for trusty compiled
[18:54] <patdk-wk> now nothing holding me back from upgrading my webservers
[19:11] <ahmadgbg> Hi, what solution is better and easier. A tower server or a qnas as a webserver? im going to have like 5 diffrent domains with wordpress
[19:11] <ahmadgbg> qnap*
[19:13] <sarnold> NAS systems are usually built "just enough" for their own storage processing needs. If your needs are light it might do okay but I'd make sure it even has the grunt to handle wordpress and mysql and soforth.
[19:14] <pmatulis> Aison: an upgrade from Precise or from Saucy?
[19:16] <pmatulis> Aison: and the only thing that saved you was the backup that was placed under /var/backup ?
[19:22] <qhartman> adam_g, Thanks for the tip. I didn't see anything like that when I looked, but apparently something worked, I have them now that I've come back from lunch.
[19:24] <patdk-wk> hmm, you could run like 1000 wordpress sites on a tiny nas
[19:24] <patdk-wk> the question is how much rps it will hve, and how large the wordpress db's will be
[19:35] <Aison> pmatulis, from saucy to trusty. The backup in /var/backup was corrupt also. The only thing that saved my database was the one from the dayli backup to the tape drive
[19:36] <Aison> pmatulis, I upgraded now two machines. Both ldap databases were completely killed during the update
[19:36] <Aison> pmatulis, I had to playback both from the tape backup (bacula)
[19:37] <Aison> pmatulis, the only way to finish the upgrade was even to remove all ldap config files from /etc/ldap, then I finished with dist-upgrade
[19:38] <Aison> dist-upgrade failed always
[19:38] <Aison> when there was some ldap database data
[19:44] <ahmadgbg> sarnold, my sites have like 2-3000 unique users/month
[19:45] <ahmadgbg> and i need the storage for my videos :P
[19:45] <ahmadgbg> so can i use it as a web server + storage
[19:46] <ahmadgbg> i see that they have like 2-3 GB ram and a bad dual core :P.. is this enough?
[19:47] <DonRichie> Hi, i did "do-release-upgrade" on my ubuntu server and now my log daemon diappeared. What can I do to reinstall the daemon?
[19:47] <qhartman> DonRichie, do you mean rsyslogd?
[19:48] <DonRichie> I had klogd and sysklogd running
[19:49] <qhartman> looks like for klogd you need to install busybox-syslogd
[19:49] <qhartman> aside from that, I'm not sure, it's not apackage I use
[19:50] <DonRichie> busybox sounds wrong to me. Its this multi purpose binary.
[19:50] <sarnold> ahmadgbg: ah maybe it'll do well, that's pretty quiet..
[19:50] <DonRichie> I wonder what happened to klogd
[19:50] <DonRichie> I thought this daemon runs to log kernel messages
[19:50] <qhartman> aptitude says it's provided by busybox-syslogd
[19:52] <qhartman> if you really want to use that one, I think that's what you need. That said, I find the default rsyslog to be a very flexible and reliable system, so unless you have a particular reason to use klogd it might be worth investigate switching
[19:52] <DonRichie> I will install rsyslog daemon instead. Do you have information about how the kernel log daemon (klogd) works and how I can restore it?
[19:52] <DonRichie> I am a little bit unsure how the gears work together
[19:53] <ahmadgbg> sarnold, its better to build a computer and install linux right :P
[19:53] <DonRichie> I know about the syslog daemon and that he listens on the device /dev/log but never heard about this kernel log daemon
[19:55] <qhartman> rsyslog should replace all the functionality that klogd provides. I suspect it's already there and working with a default install. If you need it to collect remote logs, you only need to uncomment the appropriate lines near the top of /etc/rsyslog.conf
[19:59] <DonRichie> Thanks for the answers qhartman. I installed rsyslogd now and a little test with logger succeeds again now as espected. If you say I don't miss any functionality from klogd I am fine with it :)
[19:59] <qhartman> You shouldn't. klodg is a very minimal logger. I would be surprised if it does naything that rsyslog does not
[20:00] <DonRichie> It came with the basic ubuntuserver 12.4  installation
[20:00] <qhartman> ah, that makes some sense. That install is targeted to low-spec machines, so they would have chosen the most light-weight logger available
[20:00] <DonRichie> Then I upgraded to 13.10 and it was still there. Now on 14.4 it disappeared during the upgrade
[20:01] <patdk-wk> klogd died when rsyslogd came in
[20:01] <DonRichie> I think I can dispense some little resources for a good logging daemon^^
[20:02] <qhartman> indeed. Any rate, glad you're going again
[20:03] <DonRichie> Thanks for your help
[21:10] <Patrickdk> sarnold, how do I get someone to look at a bug?
[21:10] <justizin> i have a cronjob which just sends an OK message via send_nsca to nagios, verifying that my crons are running, but sometimes it times out and generates email, even though i’m redirecting output at the end with 2>&1 >/dev/null, any idea what obvious mistake i’m making that i should be immune to after 15yr of using cron? ;d
[21:10] <Patrickdk> seems like this one is just getting missed, due to people not testing it
[21:10] <Patrickdk> bug #1286911
[21:11] <Patrickdk> suprised it made it to release, since I reported it awhile ago
[21:28] <sarnold> Patrickdk: hrm, that one might be difficult; to get the thing updated through the security team, it'd be best to get some CVEs assigned for the crashes and just put together specific fixes for the crashers
[21:29] <sarnold> Patrickdk: we might also be able to handle this as an SRU update if the changes between 2.3 and 2.4 were entirely bugfix and reliability fixes
[21:29] <Patrickdk> I only went over a quick diff of it
[21:29] <Patrickdk> looked like it to me
[21:30] <Patrickdk> I gave up attempting to track down what specific module caused it to crash
[21:32] <Patrickdk> ya, I could try it sometime
[21:32] <Patrickdk> my firewall doesn't load just the ones it needs, currently, it just loads all
[21:46] <Patrickdk> ok, updated bug report, crashs when iptable_rawpost is loaded
[21:47] <sarnold> hah ,that's why 2.4 fixes it, it just removes the whole thing
[21:48] <Patrickdk> :)
[21:56] <Patrickdk> atleast that should be an easy sve, just tell it not to install that module anymore, simple
[21:59] <qhartman> When I change interface configuration in the MAAS interface, should I expect that to actually make changes to the network config on the server? It does not seem to...
[23:52] <Guest67771> Hi I need help from a permissions expert. I have a Ubuntu 12.04 server. Just installed Plesk, and went to change permissions on a directory from read and write (700) to read only. I was still in SU mode, and typed chmod 0544 -R/Music. It appears to have changed my permissions for the entire file system. I googled the info for read only. Can anyone help me get back to a normal state please?
[23:54] <sarnold> Guest67771: can you pastebin the output of ls -l /   ?
[23:57] <Patrickdk> guess he didnt like you