[00:04] ogra_: Neat. I'll have to find some time to try it out [00:04] it is still not feature complete though, dont expect something perfect [00:08] mandel: ping [00:08] I want docking! [00:12] srsly [00:13] ogra_: Oh, certainly. I'd just like to see the current progress, esp. if calls and texting are possible :-) [00:13] yeah, that worked very early already [00:17] popey, did you ever convert a pdf and opened it with beru ? [00:17] * ogra_ seems to not be able to succeed with that [00:22] ogra_: nope [00:52] hey [00:54] I'm trying to get Xorg to work on my Nexus5, but I need some help with the xorg.conf [00:54] anyone tried before' [00:54] Im using the multirom ubuntu touch image as a base [01:00] p4b: we dont use xorg in our images [01:00] I know [01:01] I'm trying to get xorg to work instead of mir [01:01] It "half works" [01:02] Good luck. [01:11] p4b: Why do you want Xorg? It's not going to work particularly well. [01:13] It won't be worse than the raspberry pi I have right here anyways [01:13] A friend really wants to run Eclipse on his nexus 7 for some reason and I'm trying to do it on my n5 [01:14] That sounds overly perverse ☻ [01:14] It's overly fun too [01:14] I mean, I know of people who want emacs... [01:14] well indeed. [01:14] it shows the lxde wallpaper and the cursor [01:14] but then flashes black [01:15] and doesnt do anything else [01:15] it needs proper xorg config file but I only found some for the original N7 [01:15] (I installed lxde, lxdm and removed the unity system compositor and lightdm) [01:18] If this works I'll write a blog post or something [01:18] I got my screen to show red instead. Well that's progress [01:32] Hello, everybody === TO is now known as Guest18555 [02:17] anyone with r302 on nexus4 here? [02:19] frecel, I have it [02:20] doflah: I need you to confirm a bug for me before I file it if you have a minute [02:21] can you turn off all apps, and just put the phone to your ear as if you were about to talk to someone and tell me if you hear anything [02:21] I can hear quiet crackling sounds coming from the speaker and I'm wondering if it's a hardware issue or a software bug [02:24] I've noticed that in the past, let me see if it still happening [02:28] yeah, i can hear some crackling [02:38] I don't even know where to file this [02:39] #ubuntu-release-party [02:40] Aki-Thinkpad: don't think that's the right place. :) [02:41] nhaines, stop cyberbullying me. I meant to type /join >:[ [02:44] Aki-Thinkpad: computers do what you say and not what you mean! But it's good to have you back in #ubuntu-release-party too. :) [02:45] Moooooommmmmm!!!! Nhaines is bullying me [03:03] is the accounts button in the settings supposed to do anything? (302) [03:07] bacteu: yes and it does, sometimes [03:08] bacteu: from my experience 302 is quitte bugged [03:09] kay [03:31] Hi, Guys, Can I get manual test cases for Phablet/Phone? [03:54] Felix_Lin, manual test cases? [03:54] also I think "phablet" is deprecated [03:59] just think of it as describing a fab tablet [03:59] stupid question: how would I transfer music to my ubuntu touch phone? :? [04:00] ... maybe I should get a 2013 nexus7. hm. [04:17] seriously though, is there any way to transfer files to ubuntu touch? [04:17] it doesn't show up when I plug the phone into anything [04:39] echoe: they want you to use sftp [04:46] blugh? [04:49] that's. ... dumb [05:01] echoe: linux developers are too far detached from the realities of normal human life [05:08] how would one even set up sftp [05:08] this is ridiculous ugh. [05:10] echoe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/312566/how-to-transfer-files-from-galaxy-nexus-running-ubuntu [05:10] ignore the galaxy nexus part, it still applies [05:11] lol, ah, thanks [05:11] personally I don't think you can say it's fully ready without mtp support but I'll go do that now x.x [05:11] it's not fully ready until they make it dockable [05:12] I was playing with 302 earlier, the touch latency is much longer than android [05:12] I was hoing it had improved since I last used it :| [05:13] *hoping [05:13] mtp is the protocol ubuntu touch will likely use to be dockable [05:13] it doesn't really have much of a choice in that [05:13] I was saying the same thing! :D just with different words [05:14] using regular usb mounting isn't an option with the nexus 4 [05:15] you can only do that on devices that have sd cards [05:15] because they need to be unmounted [05:16] shrug [05:17] the docking was the only thing which made my excited for this project [05:17] having the ability to walze into work, plug in my phone.. and up pops my desktop environment [05:17] *waltz [05:19] http://askubuntu.com/questions/341695/how-to-transfer-data-to-ubuntu-touch?rq=1 [05:19] this works better [05:19] also, yes, I hope the docking works out myself too. ... it'll probably be next phone gen that it'll be good though [05:19] :( === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [05:21] what can I say :| [05:21] say that my nexus 4 will last forever [05:23] your nexus 4 will last forever. [05:24] pieces of it will remain as objects for generations [05:26] my laptop will last 4 years, why can't my phone? [05:26] because phones are advancing quicker [05:27] I think the tech is enough right now [05:27] we have 2gb of ram, high density displays [05:27] good socs [05:28] but the big guys like samsung keep pushing bullshit like 2k resolutions [05:28] a phone doesn't need that much, its just another thing for them to put in their adverts [05:33] idk [05:33] a phone is a coputer [05:33] I want 2007 thinkbook-level performance from my phone [05:34] then we can call it good. :P [05:39] echoe, thinkbook? [05:40] Aki-Thinkpad: yeah, ibm used to make them but then they sold the brand to lenovo [05:40] *headdesk* [05:47] yeah. [05:48] fine, thinkpad [05:48] whateverrrr [05:48] i'm a bit out of it. [05:48] heyyyy my phone plays music now [05:49] what type of music? [05:49] my friend introduced me to flume [05:49] so i bought his cd, it's good. [05:49] he's kind of ... electronica/dubsteppy. [05:52] the application list needs ... to be better too [05:53] ooh, fun music player skips [05:56] Good work on Ubuntu touch, just installed on my Nexus 4. Looking forward to when all features are implemented fully and the market gains some traction [06:05] Is there a way to have the ubuntu touch interface on the desktop version of ubuntu [06:21] bray, why would you possibly want that [06:22] but unity is the closest thing you'll get I guess [06:49] Which phones do Ubuntu Touch work on? [06:50] TyrfingMjolnir, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [06:50] I m there [06:50] Will it run on Samsung Note 3? [06:50] TyrfingMjolnir: there are official builds and community builds [06:50] I m considering to buy a phone for this purpose [06:51] TyrfingMjolnir: maybe check xda [06:51] I have been using iPhone since June 2007 [06:51] And the initial iPhone is still the best [06:52] Tried the iPhone 5, 15-18 hrs of phone is not enough for me, so I went back to my iPhone 4 on iOS 6, in which runs OK, but I guess not for long, and unless iPhone 6 has more than 4 days of battery power, I will not upgrade, just to put the phones in the book shelf, for me the phone is a tool, that helps me through the day. [06:52] Well I havent been following it very closely but last I saw Touch still wasn't quite ready for mainstream [06:53] I don’t find android to be any better. [06:53] But I would love to have Ubuntu or debian on a phone, that would actually make it worth the change. [06:53] I heard the lg g2 has some immpressive battery life [06:53] TyrfingMjolnir, Ok humor me: Why do you need such a long battery life out of a phone? How long are you seriously away from an outlet? [06:54] ParkerR: its nice to not be tethered.. to *always* have to remember to plug it in each night else you're fucked the morning after [06:57] Depends on where I m at [06:57] If I m in the jungle for 4-5 days [06:57] I can see that. I usually just have mine charging when I'm not using it. Always seemed so natural to me, heh [06:58] But every day? [06:58] Every Saturday should be enough [06:58] do you have an e-ink e-book reader? I only need to charge mine every couple of weeks, its such a nice experience [06:58] Well I have an outlet near me every day [06:59] Multiple [06:59] just stick it back in the bag and it'll always have charge [06:59] I probably also have an outlet neat my several days pr year, but it makes me feel attached. [06:59] and addicted [07:00] TyrfingMjolnir: have you considered an external battery pack? [07:00] Yeah, I have that, but I consider it a complete waste and a hazzle [07:00] I hate this planned obsolescense [07:01] TyrfingMjolnir, I saw this earlier. Slightly older spec phone but with a giant battery http://www.tabletdroid.co.uk/blog/android-phone-lasts-2-months-meet-philips-w6618/ [07:01] TyrfingMjolnir, Well bad battery life isnt always planned obsolescence [07:01] Too much light in the display? [07:01] Hmm? [07:02] I usually have the light down to 20-25? [07:02] Well yeah backlight is the main power draw [07:02] 20-25% [07:02] and I never render on my phones [07:02] And I always turn off bluetooth( this is a life saver for iPhone 4, gives double the battery life ) [07:03] Yeah I have one I use as an ipod [07:03] How come bluetooth can use the same amount of power as the 75% top light levels of the screen? [07:04] Extra chip to power [07:07] Heh and actually rh iPhone 4 doesnt get used really at all anymore since I picked up a little Sansa Clip [07:07] &the [07:09] low signal is the worst for my nexus 4 [07:09] it can drain the battery overnight if I'm not careful [07:10] whereas if I put airplane mode on it doesn't budge an inch [07:10] bacteu, low signal = it trying harder to find a signal? [07:10] yeah [07:22] Hi! How can I disable call forwarding on ubuntu touch? [07:23] regular ##21# -> call does not work, gives invalid USSD error [08:56] timppa: apparently is not a feature yet [10:43] hello all, I would like to buy a nexus 4 smartphone, cause I still don't have a smartphone, where can I buy a nexus 4 in europe for example? [10:59] nexus4BUY, why the nexus 4 specifically? [10:59] cost? [11:00] I am not expert on this, but I believe there are more... suitable phones for ubuntu-touch [11:00] I say this because someone had mentioned to me that their nexus 4 ran ubuntu touch somewhat slowly. [11:12] I was thinking that nexus 4 is the best supported phone for ubuntu-touch... [11:14] I would appreciate to know if there are any other smartphones to consider to buy. please give me an help or I have to wait next year to buy a smartphone. === psivaa is now known as psivaa-afk [12:34] hello folks, i cannot install ubuntu-sdk on 14.04 any help please ? [12:35] Neo31, whats the problem [12:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7275155/ [12:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7275180/ [12:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7275247/ [12:37] it seems not on ubuntu repositories nor on ubuntu-sdk-team ppa!! [12:37] pmcgowan [12:38] let me see [12:39] Neo31, the metapackage is in universe [12:40] what should i add to my sources.list to solve this pmcgowan ? [12:40] deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty universe [12:40] deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty universe [12:41] good [12:41] thanks a lot [12:41] trying it [12:41] ok [12:43] problem solved, thank you pmcgowan [12:43] great yw [12:43] Neo31, if you have any questions join #ubuntu-app-devel [12:44] thanks again pmcgowan, I will :) [13:24] mandel: ping [13:24] Hello , Wolrd ! :-) [13:24] Hello , World ! :-) [13:26] A Star Note N9775 MTK dual sim phone could be made to work with Ubuntu ? [13:30] !devices [13:30] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [13:32] Thank you ! === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === lazowik is now known as lazowik|afk === beidl_ is now known as beidl [14:13] * dobey wonders when nexus 5 will be supported [14:15] dobey: I think sometimes this development cycle was the "goal", I currently maintain custom system-image server with daily builds for N5 and deb (4G version of Nexus 7) [14:16] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06721.html [14:19] Tassadar: thanks for that btw, been using your system-image server for awhile now :) [14:21] hmm [14:27] ugh. tmo has the 16gb n5, for the 32gb n5's price :( [14:27] why not just buy it from google? [14:28] well i'm not going to pay the 32gb price for a 16gb model, for sure [14:28] btw, I just upgraded that sever, tasemnice, to 14.04 ^^ [14:28] *server [14:28] but t-mo has a store down the road, and i could have it today. google won't even ship it for 1-2 business days [14:29] and google won't even tell me tax and shipping until i add a payment method to google wallet :-/ [14:29] plus t-mo has a "free wireless charger" deal right now [14:29] although, since the phone is $50 extra, it's not quite free [14:31] Think I'm going to wait to see more about the BQ phone. Really want the dual-SIM feature. [14:32] tedg: do you not have t-mo service? [14:32] dobey, No, long story. [14:40] why do I have so many missing icons for core apps (and others) after recent upgrades? [14:40] popey: ^^ any idea? [14:40] on desktop or phone? [14:40] dobey: btw, it doesn't work as well as on n4 - audio is not working very well (only works for the first call) [14:41] popey: phone [14:41] other things are fine, but the audio bug is quite bad if you want to use it as a phone [14:41] mhall119: odd, fine here. [14:41] mhall119: screenshot? [14:41] I've had missing icons for as long as I can remember [14:42] for which apps? [14:42] It's random [14:43] hmm, sounds like unity8 issues.. [14:43] these are installed apps or store apps? [14:44] i just rebooted my phone and see loads missing.... [14:44] http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2014-04-18-154410.png [14:45] popey, thats the no icons without network bug? [14:45] popey: http://ubuntuone.com/5pZpQrlCmUxOL8sf6Cshp7 [14:45] http://ubuntuone.com/6HL1Q7hixiKDbowippAOh6 [14:45] ooh, Ubuntu One link.. retro [14:45] http://ubuntuone.com/4filWBWHK6rzQUgsiRHYJK [14:45] pmcgowan: well, "available" shouldn't show without network either [14:45] I'm old-skool [14:45] dobey, thats why its a bug ;) [14:45] pmcgowan: its on the network [14:45] I'm ssh'ed into the phone [14:46] I'm also connected to wifi,and they're installed apps [14:46] mhall119, yeah thats odd indeed [14:46] sounds like unity8 issue [14:46] what image? [14:47] r302 [14:47] was it on the last one I had too, r396 I think [14:47] weird [14:47] 296 [14:48] file:///usr/share/unity8/Dash/Card.qml:102:16: QML Image: Error downloading https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/site_media/appmedia/2014/04/icon256_1.png - server replied: NOT FOUND [14:48] that'd do it [14:48] hello, is it possibile to install ubuntu touch on an iphone 5? [14:48] yes, 404 on that page [14:48] faLUCE: no [14:48] !devices [14:48] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [14:48] faLUCE: ^^ [14:48] thanks, but why it is not possible? [14:49] beuno: ^^^ getting missing images (404) on myapps in unity8 on devices [14:49] popey: i think he is off today [14:49] those urls dont look right [14:49] some work [14:49] that url works for me [14:49] it didnt before [14:49] i just opened it in firefox and there's an icon [14:50] there's two hosts [14:50] bet one is hosed [14:50] faLUCE: because apple doesn't release drivers for their phones [14:50] popey: but these are *installed* apps [14:50] frecel: okk thanks [14:51] they shouldn't be looking to myapps for icons [14:51] true [14:51] right they wouldnt [14:51] mhall119: check the log to see why it's not loading [14:51] are the icons on disk? [14:51] can you guys install any apps? [14:51] on r302 [14:51] see where the Icon in .desktop in .local/share/applications [14:52] frecel: just installed untappd [14:52] frecel: i don't see why it wouldn't work [14:52] hah me too [14:52] dobey: file:///usr/share/unity8/Dash/Card.qml:102:16: QML Image: Cannot open: file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-facebook/facebook.png [14:52] I'm getting network issues all over and I still haven't determined if it's the phone or my home network [14:53] and indeed, that file doesn't exist [14:53] mhall119: does that path exist? [14:53] heh [14:53] frecel: what issues exactly? [14:54] mhall119: it doesn't exist here either [14:54] mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/cyborg$ adb shell ls /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.clock/ [14:54] ls: cannot access /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.clock/: No such file or directory [14:54] did these not get installed by click in the image? [14:54] I mean, the apps exist and work [14:55] mhall119, preinstalled apps should not be at that path [14:55] dobey: websites load slow, cant connect to my ubuntu one account, searching for apps returns host not found [14:55] dobey: same with my sim card inserted and using 3g [14:55] or maybe they don't.... [14:55] just tried Clock and it won't open [14:55] dobey: and the phone is on the same wifi network as the laptop I'm on right now [14:55] mhall119: check logs? [14:56] popey: hrmm, finally got past freezing enough for "available" to load on my n7. no icons for available apps on there either [14:56] yet mine load now. [14:56] I'll ping is [14:56] click list says it's installed [14:56] the server seems much slower than usual but eventually I get the icons [14:57] popey: unity8.log just says something about not being bale to load that icon [14:57] popey: I just realised that my sister has a nexus4 with android on it, I'm going to ask her to check the speaker thing [14:57] mhall119, facebook should not point to that user path, those should only be store apps [14:57] where did all my logs go [14:57] nice one frecel [14:57] .cache/upstart/ only has older compressed logs :-/ [14:58] qmlscene: failed to check version of file 'ubuntu-clock-app.qml', could not open... [14:58] popey: ^^ [14:58] shall we have a hangout? would it be easier to debug? [14:59] mhall119: btw "Could not access backend storage" from your ubuntuone links [14:59] popey: works for me [14:59] works now [14:59] didnt before [15:00] wonder if our DC's are getting a kicking [15:00] they might be seeing a little extra traffic [15:01] haha, cut the rope [15:01] my android phone uses a customized cyanogenmod, can I use it as a base to port Ubuntu? [15:02] ice9: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting [15:04] bacteu: but I mean if my device is not supported by cyanogenmod, do I still be able to port Ubuntu? [15:05] popey: her phone does it too, its a hardware thing [15:05] ice9: that is discussed in the link [15:06] frecel: yay [15:08] popey, frecel: what speaker thing? [15:08] dobey: hold phone to your ear [15:08] popey: i don't have an n4 [15:09] Its like holding a shell to hear the ocean. [15:09] dobey: nexus4 makes a really quiet crackling sound all the time [15:09] popey: :D [15:09] ah [15:09] Only an ocean full of spiders [15:09] pmcgowan: are those paths only for store apps, or only for click apps? [15:09] IIRC, Facebook is deployed as a click app, but pre-isntalled on the image [15:09] my nexus 4 makes tons of noises [15:09] popey: it's the 5th plague [15:09] popey: you know, just in time for passover [15:09] mhall119, I dont have facebook in that path, only apps I got from the store [15:09] hmm.... [15:10] popey: it's an ocean of boiling locusts [15:10] where is facebook installed then? [15:10] /usr/share/click/preinstalled ? [15:10] along with all other preinstalled apps [15:10] so it's a bug with the click scope then [15:10] nope [15:11] that path certainly did not come from the click scope code [15:11] then why is the click scope looking in the wrong place for icons/ [15:11] the scope doesn't look anywhere for icons [15:11] um..... [15:11] it just reads the Icon= from the .desktop file and hands it off to the dash [15:11] oh [15:11] maybe it's a bug in click itself [15:12] when it creates the .desktop files for pre-installed apps? [15:12] its just borked on mhall119 phone though [15:13] mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/projects/Ubuntu/sdk/cyborg$ adb shell cat /usr/share/click/preinstalled/com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-facebook/current/webapp-facebook.desktop |grep Icon [15:13] Icon=./facebook.png [15:13] so what .desktop file is it reading? [15:14] mardy: i don't suppose we have bindings for online accounts in golang on the radar? :) [15:14] the one in .local/share/applications/ [15:14] oh, oh, there it is [15:15] so...if I update a pre-installed app from the store, it replaces that .desktop file with one that points to /opt/ correct? [15:15] Icon=/usr/share/click/preinstalled/.click/users/@all/com.ubuntu.clock/clock-app@ [15:15] 30.png [15:15] err without the \n in there [15:15] is what my clock .desktop has for phablet user [15:15] Icon=/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/com.ubuntu.developer.webapps.webapp-facebook/./facebook.png [15:15] is my facebook .desktop [15:15] mhall119: maybe, did you install updates for preinstalled apps? [15:16] so, install an image and the .desktop you get is for /usr/share/, install an update from the store and you get a new .desktop that uses /opt/, now if you upgrade a new image, it'll put a newer click in /usr/share/, but that doesn't change the user's .desktop that still points to /opt/? [15:16] dobey: I did before upgrading to a new image [15:17] ah [15:17] mhall119: that sounds like it might be plausible and could be your issue, yeah. but i don't see why upgrading to new image would kill the updated package that was in /opt [15:18] yes, sounds plausible [15:18] ie, i don't think it should, but maybe it does [15:19] I still have the package installed in /opt/ [15:21] Hi, where does the mediascanner-service-2.0 store its settings and cache? === lazowik|afk is now known as lazowik [15:24] db is in ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/ [15:24] dobey: I have the package installed, just not a link to them in /opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/ [15:25] popey, i see that and deleted it but it there a way to get it to blacklist directories? [15:25] ahayzen: poke jhodapp [15:25] popey, it wants to try and index the whole of my 1TB backup hdd [15:25] "nice" [15:25] popey, not nice when ur trying to copy stuff from it lol [15:25] heh [15:27] mhall119, have you reflashed anytime recently? [15:27] sounds like an old bug that was addressed [15:27] mhall119: so i guess something deleted the link [15:28] jamesh, ping [15:28] pmcgowan: last night [15:28] to r302 [15:29] let me look for the bug [15:29] at some point soon I probably just need to wipe it and clean-flash [15:29] I've been updating it since september === bfiller is now known as bfiller_afk [15:48]