[06:17] cremora minora [06:18] morning uncle Kilos [06:18] hi not_found whic nick is the home nick? [06:18] which [06:18] currently non [06:18] not logged in there :p [06:18] oh my [06:19] oh you at work? [06:19] yup [06:19] hows things lad? [06:19] bored? [06:19] best place to be on a friday >.< [06:19] always [06:19] hehe [06:19] they had some probs with the release hey [06:20] didn't hear anything [06:20] i watched till bedtime, they decided to withhold myth because some bug was still in it [06:22] I suspect that this isn't so unusual for release days, the xubu guys decided a few days ago that some bugs will not be fixed and they added it to the list of issues that will be addressed as time goes on. always chaos until the last minute :p [07:16] ai! dlink prob day again [07:17] hi Kilos [07:17] hi Golynx [07:30] still issues with 14.04? [07:30] just with this new d-link modem not_found [07:30] everything else works kiff [07:31] ive got it going with sakis3g now [07:31] hope you figure it out [07:32] ty i will even if i gotta use a 4lb hammer. its so much faster than other 2 modems i gotta make it work [07:34] wassup your side Golynx ? [07:34] was 10°c here last noght and mist so thick this morning couldnt see 50 metres ahead [07:37] not much Kilos, kinda cold here too but dont see autumn outside yet [07:37] hi not_found [07:38] o/ [07:45] if i can just get pidgin mxit working ill keep sakis going [07:45] xmpp works so ive no idea even where to scratch [07:46] oh no xmpp dont work either [07:46] hmm... [07:47] is that a 14.04 thing [07:47] no i could never get pidgin to work with mxit on 12.04 either [07:48] but network manager everything works [07:48] its some pidgin sakis3g thing [07:49] maybe if i can tell it to use some proxy it might but dunno how to do that [07:49] seems like it ya , i never used sakis3g before [07:50] when n othing else gets a modem connected sakis3g does [07:51] what about facebook messenger in pidgin [07:51] i have got fb going there will try it [07:52] what is a TURN server [07:53] there are options in pidgin to set them things but then you need more info [07:53] i dont see TURN server option in mine [07:54] its in tools-preferences network [07:55] stun server and turn server [07:56] in proxy it says no proxy configuration was found [07:56] hmm, i didnt use that before, usually the automatic detection works [07:56] with nm you use no proxy [07:56] ya it works auto on nm [07:57] sakis3g is a script that connects you not an app [07:57] oh wait lemme try some more stuff [07:58] you gotta disable networking to get sakis going [07:58] oh , i thought it was a network manager for 3g lol [07:58] will try enable networking while sakis is going [07:59] its a wonderful tool for difficult modems [07:59] but all script [07:59] you should look at it sometime [07:59] clever thing [07:59] nice tool, sure it works kiff [08:01] i had the same prob yesterday or day before as well then use sakis for coupla hours and reboot and nm works [08:01] hehe [08:07] i will try it someday when i got 3g issues with a modem [08:07] hehe [08:08] i got a zte mf 190 that works great with nm but its half the speed of the d-link so ill keep trying [08:15] cool [08:16] its actually interesting sorting a way through prob hardware [08:16] i enjoy it [08:23] so if im in and out its modem probs not connection probs [08:23] i guess we all like solving problems, its key to our existance. Having to survive and all, kinda like a game where the achievement of solving the problem is a very rewarding experience. But you cannot gain experience pain. [08:23] without pain* [08:23] yeah [08:25] ya, must be hard for the different hardware vendors to make their stuff work on all devices. [08:26] if the didnt change from having only a storage partition on the modems to the new cdrom thing then there wouldnt be probs [08:31] lemme try a reboot [08:31] wbb [08:33] haha just disconnected sakis and enabled nm and there we go [08:34] thats good [08:34] yeah i just gotta work out why it needs sakis first to wake it up [08:35] maybe i bought a dud modem [08:38] Golynx, just check if you can join my channel. ##kilos im not sure if it allows incoming peeps without invites [09:24] not_found, what did you break at home again that you cant connect [09:24] nobody said I can't connect [09:24] I said I didn't connect [09:24] oh sorry [09:24] misunderstood [09:25] no worries :) [09:25] * not_found can't break anything cause not on linux at the moment [09:25] eish [09:25] sympathies [09:26] yes I am also sorry that I can't seem to find a distro/de combo that suites my needs... oh well [09:27] oh someone asked about gaming on linux but you werent here [09:27] its just steam stuff hey? [09:27] nope... [09:27] and playonlinux [09:28] there is a LOT of things happening in linux land when it comes to gaming [09:28] oh [09:28] so many games now also running on linux natively, it is awesome [09:28] :) [09:28] http://www.gamingonlinux.com/ [09:28] they all cost? [09:28] not all games [09:28] there are some free to play [09:28] but most cost money [09:28] yay lemme see [09:29] game devs also need to eat [09:29] if you come across free ones put the links away for me please [09:30] ya man i know but getting food money from me wont help them [09:30] install steam and search the free to play ones [09:30] ok will do [09:30] just gotta watch data [09:30] ty [09:30] what types of games you like uncle Kilos... I often buy 4 packs which are on special and often have one or two left to give away [09:31] oh and most AAA titles are many GB's in size [09:31] but the indie games are often much smaller [09:31] one game I am enjoying a lot is something like 49mb :p [09:31] i vove war games but they all cost im sure [09:32] 49m is fine [09:33] when I am home again I will have a look :) [09:33] but it would help if you have a steam account ;p [09:33] alot of quality games there not_found , i guess money buy more quality [09:33] will get one now ty [09:34] got to remember that the free part of free software never meant free as in free beer, it just so happens that a lot of the software turned out to be free. And most games are proprietary anyway... people looking to make money... [09:34] RTS games are awesome [09:35] rts? [09:35] dota 2 made by valve is free to play, it is a moba type game and the most played games on steam [09:35] also Team Fortress 2 is a fps also free to play... [09:35] both are however huge downloads [09:35] rts = real time strategy [09:35] eish [09:36] fps = first person shooter [09:36] ah thats the stuff [09:36] moba = multiplayer online battle arena [09:37] no online stuff for me [09:37] have you heard of emeror [09:37] emperor [09:37] most of my games on steam I bought from Humble Indie Bundles... typically it is 3 to 5 games and you pay what you want... even if only 1c [09:37] i once played that on win [09:38] yeah, if you make a game with paid software you will wana make up for it buy selling the game [09:38] paid game design software are so far ahead in quality than the free one's [09:38] Kilos : Real Time Strategy [09:38] 0ad is the premier open source rts... but it is still beta [09:38] not played it uncle Kilos [09:38] i accept that peeps make money out of their work not_found [09:39] oh not_found already said, slow net here :p [09:39] i have played 0ad but too much to download now again on new os [09:39] oad is lekker too [09:39] * not_found will have a look at Steam when home and sent some suggestions your way uncle Kilos... will even keep an eye on the Indie bundles and let you know when there is a good one [09:40] ty not_found [09:40] what use is a PC if not for gaming :p [09:40] lol [09:40] lately i havent had much time for playing anything [09:41] modems kept me busy [09:42] i got happy when i got this faster pc because then i could play ians AOE3 but it got stolen before he qould bring it [09:42] sigh [09:42] Maaz, google steam for 14.04 64bit [09:42] Kilos: "How can I reinstall steam on Ubuntu 14.04? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/431667/how-can-i-reinstall-steam-on-ubuntu-14-04 :: "steam - libGL error: Couldn't dlopen libudev.so.1 or libudev.so.0 ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/421167/libgl-error-couldnt-dlopen-libudev-so-1-or-libudev-so-0-driver-detection-may :: "Newest 'steam' Questions - [09:42] Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/steam :: "[ubuntu] Should I install Ubuntu 14.… [09:43] ai! [09:51] what do you install? steam or darktable [09:51] sudo apt-get install steam [09:51] but it will eat 300mb [09:51] give or take [09:51] eeek [09:52] the initial file is small and then it downloads from valve another 270mb... [09:52] yes it is big :/ [09:52] ok lemme put data on first [09:52] so steam is in the repos [09:52] * not_found has gotten used to not worrying about data [09:52] yup [09:52] yay [09:55] eish , my eyes hurt just by reading that [09:56] painful hey Golynx [09:57] yeah, so many take data for granted [09:57] yeah [09:59] its the one thing that can make me a milionaire by 2024, if i had an unlimited supply lol [10:08] whew [10:09] uncapped not so uncommon outside SA [10:09] that and insane speeds :D [10:09] you okes are lucky [10:10] only one here with insane speeds is andrew [10:10] ya lucky northern hemisphere [10:11] i read somewhere Nigeria has overtaken SA as the biggest economy in Africa [10:12] SA moving more backwards than forward [10:16] bring the cost to communicate down and the economy grows automagically [10:22] yup [10:24] ok steam installed, whats next step? [10:24] only 18m [10:25] that is just the initial file, now when you run steam it will download another 250+-mb of files [10:25] and then when you run it steam will actually run [10:26] oh my opened from dash now its doings its big download [10:26] k cool [10:26] after that create a user and log in... [10:26] 207m it says to download [10:26] welcome to the world of proprietary lock-in on linux... [10:26] ah it varies from time to time and from system to system... [10:27] whatever that might mean [10:27] depends what files are already on the system I suspect [10:27] proprietary lock-in on linux... [10:28] well steam is proprietary and it is an eco system that locks you into using it... [10:28] basically as anti-floss as it gets [10:28] oh [10:29] but they are playing nice with linux and opening up the games world to us... but in the end it is all about the money for them... [10:29] downloading at 3m/s [10:29] ai1 [10:29] 3 secs per meg [10:30] nice [10:30] so about 333kb/s [10:30] Kb/s I mean [10:30] kB/s [10:30] something like that :p [10:31] lol [10:31] way better than my 7 kb/s lol [10:32] yes that is a tad on the slow side [10:32] eish. i been there [10:32] gprs [10:32] ya, it says Edge but its gprs really [10:32] I can remember using a 56k dial-up... when downloading files my friend and I would get giddy with excitement when the speed peaked above 1kb/s... even if just for a brief moment :) [10:33] lol not_found [10:33] now it wants an account name?? [10:34] register [10:34] there should be a button someplace [10:34] and have a DNA sample ready [10:34] :p [10:47] superfly: you busy? [10:50] logged yet uncle Kilos?\ [10:50] any other python guys here? [10:54] print "Hello World" [10:55] that is about how far I go :p [10:58] i think so sorry not_found [10:58] had to go eat [10:59] dunno where it went now [11:02] just run it again I guess :p [11:03] ai! i battle with that black screen [11:03] verified email [11:03] ah yes, check your mail :p [11:03] i have [11:04] now there is another install button [11:04] hi theblazehen [11:04] sigh [11:04] ? [11:05] frozen synaps 2d [11:05] * Golynx should dive into python again [11:06] Kilos you like the zombie killer games [11:06] ? [11:07] must i install the frozen synaps 2d thing not_found or look for friends [11:07] thought you didnt like online games [11:08] i dont [11:08] don't install anything yet [11:08] not i dont i dont have data to play online stuffs [11:08] have to read carefully what it is, how it costs, how it works etc. etc... [11:08] as for looking for friends best to only add people you really know... [11:09] i dont see all that stuff you talking about [11:09] most online i play is it just uploads the highscore to some server that way less data used [11:10] steam mostly syncs some info to the cloud and updates games etc... there should be settings to control when and how much etc... [11:18] Hey Private_User Golynx [12:08] hi Vince-0 [12:09] hi Kilos o/ [12:09] all good? [12:09] just had homemade hot cross buns without the cross [12:09] hehe [12:10] just as lekker [12:12] \o_ Vince-0 [12:13] i had two buns with cross on and burgers inside, full for the whole day now [12:13] im jamming diablo3 with my bro who's in Sydney [12:22] nice... I never did finish d3 :/ [13:00] http://i.imgur.com/ocEstXc.png How'd you all like my setup? [13:04] nice [13:11] one screen fits all, thats cool [13:12] I still remember 5kb/s download speeds and being happy about it. Now if it's below 200kb/s I get annoyed [13:13] if I don't max out my connection I get mad :p [13:28] theblazehen: pong [13:31] superfly: had a question, but fixed it by rewriting the bit of code.. Fucking indentation [13:31] tab = 4 spaces :p [13:31] spaces, no tabs [13:32] theblazehen: try working on Python, and then on some C++... let me tell you, indentation rocks compared to curly braces [13:34] :( but tab is so much faster :p [13:34] hmm, tabs is easier [13:36] superfly: curly braces aint that bad though [13:36] sometimes its easier to spot where a block starts and ends [13:38] not_found: use a smart editor/ide [13:38] Golynx: nope, much easier to spot where a block begins and ends with indentation [13:38] not needed, I never get further than print "Hello World" [13:38] Golynx: it's not your curly braces doing that, it's your indentation [13:39] not_found: in smart editors there is an option to convert tabs to spaces [13:40] superfly: i agree [13:40] well all of the stuff I have used in trying to learn some python has always accepted a tab for 4 spaces so I guess they where smart :p [13:40] theblazehen: when I first started using Python, I also thought that indentation was silly, but now developing in C, C++ and Python, I see the light :-D [13:40] just putting the mouse on curly brace and it highlights where the block started is something i do alot in javascript [13:41] kate is really good at that [13:46] ya , statically typed languages are always better than dynamic languages [13:47] nope, I much prefer Python to C++ or Java [13:47] Golynx: you only say that because you're used to PHP, which just misrepresents dynamically typed languages with its awful ducktyping [13:49] superfly: your right lol [13:49] *you're [13:50] superfly: yeah, indentation does rock.. Until you realise that the code you "borrowed" had a tab in it, and you thought it was 8 spaces.. [13:51] i started with python first though. Just the bad experience with Tkinter that pissed me off. So php was an escape route [13:51] theblazehen: yes, hence why PEP8 says not to mix them :-) [13:51] superfly: yeah. I'm a all spaces man [13:51] ugh, tkinter is awful to look at, I'd hate to actually have to develop using it [13:51] *coff* from __future__ import braces *coff* [13:51] * superfly sticks to Qt [13:52] superfly: that was 4 years ago. QML looks nice [13:53] import antigravity [13:54] seriously, run "import antigravity" in the python console [13:55] ah yes [13:55] * not_found goes of to find portable idle [13:56] hahahahaha [13:56] man, I seriously need to learn python now [14:02] i tried >> import antigravity 2 years ago, but didn't had a internet connection. funny [14:03] lol [14:08] not_found: Codecademy is great [14:09] I have done some javascript and python on codeacademy actually, good way to get a night shift passed :) [14:14] i started from kindergarden level lol . Games are a perfect way to start learning programming http://inventwithpython.com/ [14:14] I love how everything lines up when you use 4 space indentation... [14:17] oh my. I put some of my code made in notepad++ into the Geany Ide. All the indents are gone :O [14:19] lol [14:19] What did you expect from Windows line endings? [14:20] hmm, have to assume the tabs to spaces option was not checked in notepad++ hehe [14:20] Trixar_za: it could be that too hehe [14:20] Had a similar problem with hexchat [14:21] They advised me to use dos2unix to convert over the conf files [14:24] thank goodness there is always a fix :) [14:25] where there is a terminal there is a way [14:34] lol [14:35] *where there is a shell there is a way [14:36] *sh-derived shell [14:37] always disable shell in webserver, or else a hacker will go "where there is a shell there is a way" haha [14:38] lol [14:38] which reminds me I should really stop running an ssh server on windows while I haven't disabled logging in with a password >.< [14:39] home time \o/ [15:46] hmm... [15:46] hi Trixar_za [15:48] Hi Kilos [15:49] hey all [15:49] having fun with ubuntu 14.04? [15:50] officially deleted my windows partition today! only ubuntu for me [15:50] well done bertus [15:50] will try the utmost to stay with my gaming - might be a bit of a challenge [15:50] mine works fine [15:50] 2 weeks old [15:51] hi bertus [15:51] any tips for gaming setup? [15:51] software wise [15:51] Kilos does this still apply ? http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html [15:51] steam [15:51] im running i7 8GB Nvidia GT740M [15:51] yea have steam thats awesome! [15:51] that the same link i asked you last night Golynx [15:52] best tweak for ubuntu 14.04? [15:52] Kilos ya option 7 [15:52] what more do you want bertus [15:52] http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/thingstweaks-to-do-after-install-of.html [15:52] bertus, look at the above link [15:52] option 7 [15:52] ty Golynx [15:52] this is all i have done today see link [15:52] about that dual graphics thing [15:53] np [15:53] happy public holiday all! absolute perfect timing! [15:53] purge the bee thing [15:53] yea the bumblebee thing DOES NOT WORK [15:53] bumblebee i think it was [15:54] option 7 tells you what to do and what else to install [15:54] then both drivers will work [15:55] great!! tnx will try toning [15:55] *tonight [15:55] ok hope it works for you [15:57] haha i tried one steam game. filled whole screen. so i killed it [15:57] any other good thing to do? [15:57] * Kilos needs to see the launchbar at least [15:58] i have to admit have become use to unity, and it's not bad now [15:58] what is in that link should get you going fine [15:58] does you system do automatic updates? [15:58] http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/thingstweaks-to-do-after-install-of.html [15:58] no the one above [15:58] wait [15:58] just some cool things to do after install [15:58] http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/10-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu.html [16:00] hello Kilos [16:00] * kbmonkey waves [16:00] hello my kbmonkey [16:00] lol [16:00] * Kilos sends bananas [16:03] hey kbmonkey Kilos [16:03] hi theblazehen [16:03] hi theblazehen [16:04] just popping in while I check up on my urban dead character [16:04] why only poppin in [16:04] gonna set up a nintendo emulator on the laptop just now - got some gamepads xD [16:04] you much too scarce for a chair person [16:05] ja Kilos I've found stuff to do IRL since my net is so slow ha ha [16:05] haha [16:05] go 8ta man [16:05] I checked on the mtn coverage map and I stay right on the cusp of 2g/3g coverage [16:05] get telkom d-link 3.75g modem [16:06] so I am guessing the device keeps switching between the two, slowing it down [16:06] eish [16:06] ja ja I got 8ta too [16:06] just gotta find the right trick ;) [16:06] telkoms modems are fast but a swine to get working on linux [16:06] 8ta sim or telkom modem? [16:07] i want someone else to also sukkel [16:07] lol [16:07] you sadist you [16:07] hi kbmonkey [16:08] mine seldom comes below 400kB/s when downloading and goes up to just over 1000kB/s [16:08] sakis switches it then nm sees it [16:09] hi Golynx :) [16:27] oh my he crashed [16:29] I think he quit, lol [16:29] yay my boet brought me a box of 48 marshmallow easter eggs [16:29] more chocolate than ive had in 10 years [16:30] yumyum [16:30] Kilos: more than me! nice :) [16:31] wow! [16:31] yumyum [16:31] I got a large ball of that fancy chocolate [16:31] * Kilos loves chocolate [16:31] makes you biiiig and strong [16:33] * theblazehen also oves chocolate [16:34] *chocolate* [16:34] it even tastes good to type it [16:35] rofl [16:37] yummy yummy yummy i got love in my tummy [16:37] chocolate must be love stuff, tastes too good to be anything else [16:38] ha ha Kilos you are too funny [16:38] dont you know that old song? [16:38] haha [16:39] I do :) [16:39] haha ballie [16:40] oh ja [16:43] chocolates are for girls :D [16:43] hahaha [16:44] they say diamonds are a girls best friend [16:45] they should make meat bars :p [16:45] and chocolate is her lover [16:45] steak bars :p [16:45] Golynx, its called biltong lol [16:45] ooooo thats even better but kinda pricey [16:46] * Kilos misses farm life. when we slaughtered wed make 30 kgs or more biltong [16:46] kbmonkey: biltong in bite size blocks like chocolate yum :p [16:47] and a big bucket full of boerewors [16:47] Golynx: ooh yes! [16:47] the monkey cant eat meat [16:47] shame [16:49] * Kilos sends more bananas [16:49] lol thanks Kilos you know me too well xD [16:51] I slaughtered an avo today, scooped its meat out like a brain from a skull. It was delicious! [16:51] lol [16:51] natal avos are the best [16:52] I agree [16:52] bet they as good everywhere else too! [16:53] no [16:53] you get tiny things up here [16:53] really? [16:53] we mhad trees in toti that 3 filled a checker packet [16:53] ja we also get the tinty ones, hardened skins against frost. they creamier [16:53] over 1kg each im sure [16:54] and the big-ass ones, lol [16:54] they more watery [16:54] then they picked wrong time [16:54] we could get them off the trees when ready [16:55] everything picked early and then half frozen to make them last destroys te quality [16:55] the [16:55] true that. sometimes gotta grab them before the monkeys do, hey ;) [16:55] lol [16:56] any fruit that ripens on the tree is much better [16:58] yes I believe to let nature do its thing best [16:58] not like those aweful avos at woolworths which are artificially ripened [16:59] yeah i rahter dont eat these bought up here either [16:59] before they properly ripe they rot [16:59] ggrrrr [17:01] I feel tired now [17:01] go rest lad [17:01] irc too much for you [17:01] worked out at the gym today [17:01] lol [17:01] you need to eat lotsa beens kbmonkey [17:02] and fish [17:02] one needs some protein food as well [17:02] beans [17:02] not human beens [17:05] hahaha [17:08] you so funny Kilos . I did eat beans today actually, in a potato curry in a roti [17:29] good man [18:09] Hey guys [18:22] hey JamesN7 [19:27] hmm... [19:28] * Kilos was watching tomorrows people [19:28] sorry [19:29] you supposed to welcome new peeps and make them wanna come back [19:29] oh my fault i didint tell maaz to watch you all [19:34] hi JamesN7 you been here before?? [19:34] if not welcome to ubuntu-zs [19:34] za as well [19:39] hi captine [19:40] evening [19:44] Kilos, fyi. installed "macfanctld - fan control daemon for Apple MacBook / MacBook Pro computers" and macbook is running much cooler. fan speed was increased [19:45] good news that captine [19:45] glad you sorted it [19:48] but why was it getting hot to start with [19:52] how did you install mac stuff on ubuntu? [19:53] oh i see its in the repos [19:53] good find [19:53] haha the dev guys musta seen macs give probs [20:27] goeiemôre [20:29] hey inetpro [20:29] lo my pro [20:35] hmm... it be bed time already. Where did the time go? [20:35] ya flying away [20:35] getting older at a rate of knots\ [20:39] night all [20:40] night theblazehen [20:40] sleep tight [20:43] night all sleep tight. [20:43] Maaz, watch them [20:43] OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you [20:49] http://itsfoss.com/facebook-to-buy-ubuntu-for-3-billion/ [20:49] wow read this [20:49] looks like facebooks wants to buy ubuntu [20:49] what will we do then? [20:49] bertus: check the date on the article [20:50] i saw that, april fools joke... maybe not [20:51] what do you guys think? will it be good if facebook buys ubuntu? [20:51] there will be a facebook app in unity that actually works then... haha