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knomeand take care, and make sure people are shepherded at #xubuntu ;)00:00
knome-->00:00
slickymasternightie knome 00:00
starratsCONGRATULATIONS TO THE WHOLE TEAM!!  00:31
brainwashstarrats: thank you00:39
brainwashis your cursor freeze problem resolved now?00:39
starratsso far two days in a row no freeze at startup and today when I rebooted it went jus fine, the cursor remains unfrozen so far00:44
starratswonder if tonight I should do my daily updates/dist-upgrades?  00:45
starratsor should I wait00:45
brainwashwhy should you wait?00:45
starratsah okay 00:45
starratscool00:45
starratswhat's 14.10?00:46
brainwashfrom now on there won't be that many updates on a daily base00:46
brainwashthe next release number? :)00:47
starratsah okay will there be an automatic pop up window telling you to update?00:47
brainwashit can be configured00:47
starrats14.10 going to be the 'new' 13.10?00:47
starratsah ok00:47
brainwashnew 13.10? :D00:48
brainwashit's either .04 or .1000:48
starratswell don't kmnow how to say it00:48
starratsah ok00:48
brainwashbut 14.04 LTS is an important release, so we should focus on getting the known issues fixed00:50
starratsokay and I do understand that.00:50
brainwashand any new problems which pop up on launchpad00:50
starratsah okay00:50
starratsI started with 13.10 from a friend who sent me a disk and I couldn't get it to dual boot and used VBox for about 2 months then one day scrolling I found 14.04 and been thru the thick and the thin.00:52
starratsand having my ups and downs but stuck to it and I'm glad i did.00:53
brainwashthat's awesome :)00:54
ali1234virtualbox is perfectly good - bt it's even better when you put windows inside it :)00:54
starratsI currently have Debian-xfce Wheezy in my VBox and using weechat.00:57
starratsEventually my windows7 side of the partition will disappear and the laptop will be all xubuntu Linux and windows will be in the VBox, lol00:59
starratsgetting off for the night and will see you all tomorrow, good night everyone.01:00
bluesabre!isitout ;)01:12
Unit193!isitout01:12
ubottuYes, it's out! Download at http://www.ubuntu.com/download | Release announcement at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html01:12
bluesabre!isitout01:12
Unit193See?01:12
bluesabredoesn't work with emoticons01:12
bluesabre:-(01:12
bluesabreHappy release day everyone!01:13
bluesabre:D01:13
* bluesabre is late to the party01:13
ali1234i've seeded 30GB of xubuntu isos already :)01:21
bluesabrenice ali123401:22
bluesabreI can thank you for my current leeching01:22
bluesabre:)01:22
ali1234this dedi has a stupid amount of traffic allowance... 20TB per month01:24
bluesabreever reach your cap?01:27
ali1234no, not even close01:28
ali1234the only reason we have a dedi is because of a bug in a piece of wiki software01:28
ali1234which allowed spammers to create pages, but not edit them01:28
bluesabreoh god01:28
bluesabreI bet thats fun01:29
ali1234we used to have a cheap VPS with 512MB RAM01:29
ali1234but unswappable kernel memory was limited to like 20MB01:29
ali1234the bug caused that t be exceeded, and then random processes got killed01:30
ali1234so we got the cheapest ever dedi01:30
ali1234i would never use a VPS again frankly... they suck01:30
ali1234now we don't even use 1% of the resources normally01:30
ali1234even though i eventually tracked down the problem... going back just isn't an option01:31
bluesabredigital ocean works pretty well, but I had to upgrade to the 2GB, every time I post something it was like a DOS attack01:36
ali1234we're on hetzner01:37
ali1234hosting about 20 odd websites, mostly blogs and other low traffic stuff01:38
Pwnnadid the lightlocker issue get addressed?03:20
Pwnnait's 14.0403:25
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elfyochosi: I think we need to publish the screen locking post - seems to be waiting for a screenshot though06:21
elfyand a docs link06:22
ochosielfy: the screenshots are there but knome wants to land a few css fix for that first07:52
ochosiso tuesday is the eta07:53
elfyochosi: ok - cheers :)07:53
ochosiPwnna: not sure what you're referring to, but in case it's the lid-lock-suspend issue, then no, that's not fixed yet07:57
starratsgoodmorning everyone!09:34
starratsIs the program/app 'Curlew' going to added/fixed in 14.04, just curious09:41
starratssome early morning humor:   http://imgur.com/pauTM5r10:07
elfystarrats: and what is curlew?10:37
starratsIt's a program that converts music videos to audio files.10:39
starrats  It worked on 13.10 my friend said, so I don't know if it was in the distro or an install 10:39
elfyno idea - it's not in the standard repos - it's certainly not anything to do with us at all though :)10:40
starratsah ok10:41
starratsand good morning elfy10:41
elfymorning :)10:41
starratsI googled it elfy and all I got were birds, lol so I don't know what my friend is talking about atm ,lol!10:44
starratsdid you see the imagur I posted above?10:44
starratselfy:  http://www.noobslab.com/2013/03/curlew-multi-converter-for-ubuntu.html10:56
starratsbbl getting to leave to see my doctor10:57
Aurvandillhello13:06
ochosi!hello13:06
ubottuHi!, Welcome to #xubuntu-devel! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!13:06
knomehmm...13:07
bluesabrehmm..?13:11
knome!hi | ochosi 13:22
ubottuochosi: Hello! Welcome to #xubuntu-devel! Please note that this channel is for Xubuntu developer coordination. For support questions, please use #xubuntu. Offtopic chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic.13:22
ochosi+113:24
bluesabre!howdy | knome13:26
bluesabremake that a reality13:26
knomeochosi, you made me find bug 130953313:31
ubottubug 1309533 in Ubuntu IRC Bots "Can't edit factoids that are aliases to nonexisting factoids" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130953313:31
ochosiso huhu13:31
ochosi-so13:31
elfyafternoon all 13:40
bluesabregreetings elfy13:45
knomeochosi, answer that sad guy on #x13:45
ochosiknome: which one?13:56
ochosigah, too much distracting/annoying backlog :/13:56
knomeochosi, clos13:56
ochosiam actually a bit short on time now13:56
knomeochosi, dashitis ;)13:59
ochosinot really14:00
knomesettings-manager -> window-manager?14:00
knome:P14:00
ochosiyeah, that's totally fine imo14:00
ochosianyway, i'm out, hf with clos ;)14:00
knomeyeah...14:00
elfycya ochosi 14:00
ochosibbl14:00
ochosicya elfy 14:00
ochosielfy: great mail to the ML btw, always nice to thank the testers!14:01
elfy:)14:01
elfyknome: I did a spec for trello14:01
elfyby the way 14:02
knomenoticed14:02
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knomeelfy, boo, you beat me. :)15:23
elfylol15:23
elfynot many people torrenting it seems - I've seeded about 16 copies15:25
knomeheh15:26
ali1234i've seeded 57 copies of i386 and 43 copies of x6415:26
elfymine must smell then :p15:27
knomehah, i'm not even seeding15:29
elfyhi GridCube brainwash Aurvandill 15:41
elfybrainwash: so what was it you wanted me to check yesterday?15:42
GridCubeelfy, 15:51
elfybrainwash: nvm found the backlog - and it was as I expected :p the buttons are synced now of course :|#16:02
elfyso - turning off lock on suspend - close lid - reboot - password to unlock! - black screen on tty7 - restart lightdm can then login16:03
elfykillall xfpm and reboot from suspend works 16:03
elfysuspend from action plugin and whiskermenu works fine - now I'm away till tomorrow 16:15
Aurvandillbb elfy16:16
elfynot doing very well at going - really off now :p16:28
knomeelfy, hf :P16:28
elfyknome: cya - floating about tomorrow probably, unless I actually manage to get away :)16:29
knomebluesabre, added files to bug reports16:34
starratsQuestion?  Wouldn't it be easier to do a fresh install via dvd or usb thumbdrive of 14.04 over 13.10 instead of an upgrade?  Just curious.16:55
knomethis isn't the support channel though...16:59
starratsWell I got a couple of emails that folks are having a slight problems upgradin from 13.10 to 14.04, so that's why I asked here knome.17:03
knomei would say "easier" depends on many factors, one big factor being what kind of stuff the user is familiar/comfortable with...17:05
knomeand how important it is to backup settings and files, and if they know how to do that or not17:06
knomethere is no single, "best", answer for everybody17:06
starratsah okay question answered and how are you today knome?17:06
knomei'm okay17:06
pleia2knome: I'm thinking we should mention the minimal CD on our downloads page, but I am so tired right now I might just open a bug for it and do it later :)17:19
knomepleia2, lol17:20
knomei can do the update, but do you have energy to pad the text?17:20
pleia2knome: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-April/006739.html is a nice starting point :)17:21
pleia2that's the last time I ever want to write that, so17:21
knomehah17:21
knomehttp://pad.ubuntu.com/XubuntuMini17:22
pleia2https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD hasn't been updated with the current md5sums17:22
pleia2though I'd like to link to that17:22
pleia2I could just update it myself with the iso links and nag someone else to add the canonical md4sums17:23
knomemhm...17:23
pleia2or two of us could download and md5sum and compare!17:23
knomeworks17:24
knomeso, should we just point to that page?17:24
knomeok, check the pad i posted17:26
knomeshould be ready17:26
pleia2logging in to all the things17:27
pleia2yeah that's good17:27
* pleia2 downloads images17:28
knomeme too17:28
knomehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-WsRvpt1xY17:29
knomevery good background music for post-release day17:29
* knome is too confused...17:32
knomemeh, the website is playing "no login for you" -games on me17:35
pleia2the help wiki decided to fall off the planet for me17:35
pleia2whee17:35
knomemaybe it's a bigger issue then17:35
pleia2no more working for you17:36
knomehaha17:36
knome"too many requests, dropping support"17:36
knomebut wordpress 3.9, yay17:36
knomeevery new release means my clients are getting bang for their buck ;)17:37
knomeyeah, i can't load launchpad either...17:37
knomemaybe canonical shut their doors17:37
knome"meh, the xubuntu release was so much better than ours, let's go home"17:38
pleia2hehe17:38
knomeyay works17:39
knomepleia2, updated website17:40
knome"Plugins and themes registering custom image sizes can now register suggested cropping points. For example, prevent heads from being cropped out of photos with a top-center crop."17:42
knomewell done :P17:42
pleia2https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD is updated17:42
knomegood good17:42
knomeyou forgot the *'s17:43
knomei'll do taht17:43
knomedone17:43
pleia2oh, for LTS17:44
pleia2thanks17:44
knomeyep17:44
knomehuhu, anything else? :)17:46
pleia2no, too tired :)17:47
knomehihi17:47
knomeall the mirrors seem to be okay now17:48
pleia2yep, I checked them this morning17:48
pleia2which means like 20 minutes ago17:48
knomeheh17:48
knomei just added an id for the minimal header, which means you can now link to http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/#minimal and make sure the minimal section is visible17:49
pleia2cool, thanks17:50
knomenp17:50
knomeuh oh17:52
knomei wonder if the latest wordpress update broke something17:52
knome:|17:52
knomecan't access subdomain blogs17:53
* knome sighs and goes fixing17:53
knomeoh meh, forcing www.17:54
knomeoh, hah, nope18:00
* knome facepalms18:00
knomeneeds path to be set to "/", null isn't okay18:00
* knome shrugs18:00
catwieselHello.19:23
ochosi!hello19:23
ubottuHello! Welcome to #xubuntu-devel! Please note that this channel is for Xubuntu developer coordination. For support questions, please use #xubuntu. Offtopic chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic.19:23
catwieselJust wrote on #xubuntu and it was suggested I would try it here.19:24
catwiesel[21:19:31] <catwiesel> Hey. I updated from 13.10 to 14.04 and now the indicator-multiload does not work anymore. An indicator similar to that, which I wrote myself didn't work either.19:24
catwiesel[21:20:03] <catwiesel> It looks like the panel caches the icons, which makes indicator-multiload (has a histogram of cpu etc as an icon) useless.19:24
catwiesel[21:20:18] <catwiesel> Is that an actual feature, which I couldn't find or a bug?19:24
catwiesel[21:20:29] <catwiesel> And is that bug only on my machine, or everywhere?19:24
catwiesel[21:21:02] <catwiesel> (I fixed my indicator by changing the path to the icon with every update, circumventing the proposed caching)19:24
catwiesel[21:21:50] <catwiesel> Hi19:24
catwiesel[21:22:25] <knome> catwiesel, it's a bad time now, right after the release, but join #xubuntu-devel for more information on indicator changes...19:24
catwiesel[21:23:18] <catwiesel> knome: Ok. Will do. Thanks. Mainly wanted to know, if that bug is spread, or just on my machine. But I'll wait, like you suggested.19:24
ochosiok, first off19:25
ochosino need to repaste lines from another channel19:25
ochosiespecially if most ppl here are in #xubuntu as well19:25
catwieselOk. Sorry, makes sense.19:25
ochosithing is, we switched to gtk3 indicators in 14.0419:26
ochosiso that's the main difference19:26
ochosiso if your indicators worked in 13.10, that suggests that they were/are gtk2 indicators19:27
ochosihence they won't work in trusty19:27
ochosiunless you port them19:27
ochosithere were also a few changes under the hood of the indicators in the 14.04 cycle19:27
ochosithey use upstart now to launch the service/s19:27
ochosiand we do too19:27
ochosicatwiesel: makes sense? ^19:27
catwieselFigured it was something with gtk.19:28
catwieselDon't quite understand what upstart has to do with it, though. Could you elaborate on that?19:28
ochosithat's just the mechanism that starts the indicator-service when the session starts now19:31
ochosibefore there were desktop files autostarted by the session19:31
ochosibut anyway, you don't have to worry about that because the xfce4-indicator-plugin takes care of that for you19:32
catwieselOk. I will look into upgrading, then. 19:32
ochosiso all you need is install a gtk3 indicator and it'll get autostarted by it19:32
catwieselAlright.19:34
catwieselHope the multiload indicator gets updated, then. 19:34
catwieselThanks for the quick response.19:35
ochosinp19:35
ochosiif you're writing indicators yourself and feel like writing ones for xubuntu, that's always appreciated btw ;)19:36
ochosi(e.g. a datetime indicator with google-calendar sync that doesn't depend on gnome or unity stuff would be very high on my personal wishlist)19:37
catwieselWell, I used the appindicator module, which is not that well documented. And looking at the source of indicator-multiload with dozens of files, where mine is like 100loc in on .py file, I'd say, I leave that to the pros for now ^_^19:39
catwieselWill look through the source some more, though. Might learn something new. Even if it's just the language.19:39
ochosiheh19:40
ochosiyeah19:40
ochosianyway, new contributors are always welcome19:41
ochosiit's not like we're a huge team19:41
catwieselI like Xubuntu a lot. Not that good at reading into other people codebases, though.19:42
catwieselBut someday  o/19:42
ochosisure19:46
ochosiactually coding isn't the only way you can contribute19:46
catwieselI could translate stuff, but German always seems to be taken real quick.19:47
Aurvandill catwiesel aslo from germany?19:47
catwieselYes.19:47
ochosithere is also testing19:50
ochosiwhich is quite important19:50
ochosibugfixing/triaging19:50
ochosiand supporting users in #xubuntu19:51
ochosiartwork, documentation, etc.19:51
amigamagichey guys do you know what means the last message the ubuntu bot send me here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251 ?21:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1307251 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Low,Confirmed]21:21
amigamagicI mean, not here in the chat room.... I mean in that page I linked...21:37
knomeUnit193, can you go to http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/2014/04/18/image-alignment-testing-post/ and resize the window horizontally?22:35
Unit193Okay...?22:37
knomeUnit193, so, do the images resize nicely?22:37
knomeand keep in three columns?22:37
Unit193No seeing anything different.22:38
Unit193Ahhh!22:38
knomemake the window reaally narrow22:38
knomethen reaaally wide22:38
knomei guess it's better turn that into a shortcode and not try to get it working wysiwyg22:39
knomealso, automatic probing for column count.22:40
knomeUnit193, test again!23:38
Unit193"OH no it's on FIRE!!" :P23:39
knome<3 that new shortcode23:40
knomethough could be a bit more user-friendly, have to know attachment id's now23:40
knomeor show all attachments for the post23:40
knomebut it's a start...23:40
Unit193Not sure I notice much different.23:40
knomethis starts looking like a plugin!23:40
Unit193But congrats about it working without js.23:41
knomeno, it shouldn't be different, that's the point23:41
knomebut 2 and 3 columns.23:41
knomeof course ;)23:41
knomehours spent on css not in vain..23:41
knomebesides css3 is great.23:42

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