[00:00] <knome> and take care, and make sure people are shepherded at #xubuntu ;)
[00:00] <knome> -->
[00:00] <slickymaster> nightie knome 
[00:31] <starrats> CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WHOLE TEAM!!  
[00:39] <brainwash> starrats: thank you
[00:39] <brainwash> is your cursor freeze problem resolved now?
[00:44] <starrats> so far two days in a row no freeze at startup and today when I rebooted it went jus fine, the cursor remains unfrozen so far
[00:45] <starrats> wonder if tonight I should do my daily updates/dist-upgrades?  
[00:45] <starrats> or should I wait
[00:45] <brainwash> why should you wait?
[00:45] <starrats> ah okay 
[00:45] <starrats> cool
[00:46] <starrats> what's 14.10?
[00:46] <brainwash> from now on there won't be that many updates on a daily base
[00:47] <brainwash> the next release number? :)
[00:47] <starrats> ah okay will there be an automatic pop up window telling you to update?
[00:47] <brainwash> it can be configured
[00:47] <starrats> 14.10 going to be the 'new' 13.10?
[00:47] <starrats> ah ok
[00:48] <brainwash> new 13.10? :D
[00:48] <brainwash> it's either .04 or .10
[00:48] <starrats> well don't kmnow how to say it
[00:48] <starrats> ah ok
[00:50] <brainwash> but 14.04 LTS is an important release, so we should focus on getting the known issues fixed
[00:50] <starrats> okay and I do understand that.
[00:50] <brainwash> and any new problems which pop up on launchpad
[00:50] <starrats> ah okay
[00:52] <starrats> I started with 13.10 from a friend who sent me a disk and I couldn't get it to dual boot and used VBox for about 2 months then one day scrolling I found 14.04 and been thru the thick and the thin.
[00:53] <starrats> and having my ups and downs but stuck to it and I'm glad i did.
[00:54] <brainwash> that's awesome :)
[00:54] <ali1234> virtualbox is perfectly good - bt it's even better when you put windows inside it :)
[00:57] <starrats> I currently have Debian-xfce Wheezy in my VBox and using weechat.
[00:59] <starrats> Eventually my windows7 side of the partition will disappear and the laptop will be all xubuntu Linux and windows will be in the VBox, lol
[01:00] <starrats> getting off for the night and will see you all tomorrow, good night everyone.
[01:12] <bluesabre> !isitout ;)
[01:12] <Unit193> !isitout
[01:12] <bluesabre> !isitout
[01:12] <Unit193> See?
[01:12] <bluesabre> doesn't work with emoticons
[01:12] <bluesabre> :-(
[01:13] <bluesabre> Happy release day everyone!
[01:13] <bluesabre> :D
[01:13]  * bluesabre is late to the party
[01:21] <ali1234> i've seeded 30GB of xubuntu isos already :)
[01:22] <bluesabre> nice ali1234
[01:22] <bluesabre> I can thank you for my current leeching
[01:22] <bluesabre> :)
[01:24] <ali1234> this dedi has a stupid amount of traffic allowance... 20TB per month
[01:27] <bluesabre> ever reach your cap?
[01:28] <ali1234> no, not even close
[01:28] <ali1234> the only reason we have a dedi is because of a bug in a piece of wiki software
[01:28] <ali1234> which allowed spammers to create pages, but not edit them
[01:28] <bluesabre> oh god
[01:29] <bluesabre> I bet thats fun
[01:29] <ali1234> we used to have a cheap VPS with 512MB RAM
[01:29] <ali1234> but unswappable kernel memory was limited to like 20MB
[01:30] <ali1234> the bug caused that t be exceeded, and then random processes got killed
[01:30] <ali1234> so we got the cheapest ever dedi
[01:30] <ali1234> i would never use a VPS again frankly... they suck
[01:30] <ali1234> now we don't even use 1% of the resources normally
[01:31] <ali1234> even though i eventually tracked down the problem... going back just isn't an option
[01:36] <bluesabre> digital ocean works pretty well, but I had to upgrade to the 2GB, every time I post something it was like a DOS attack
[01:37] <ali1234> we're on hetzner
[01:38] <ali1234> hosting about 20 odd websites, mostly blogs and other low traffic stuff
[03:20] <Pwnna> did the lightlocker issue get addressed?
[03:25] <Pwnna> it's 14.04
[06:21] <elfy> ochosi: I think we need to publish the screen locking post - seems to be waiting for a screenshot though
[06:22] <elfy> and a docs link
[07:52] <ochosi> elfy: the screenshots are there but knome wants to land a few css fix for that first
[07:53] <ochosi> so tuesday is the eta
[07:53] <elfy> ochosi: ok - cheers :)
[07:57] <ochosi> Pwnna: not sure what you're referring to, but in case it's the lid-lock-suspend issue, then no, that's not fixed yet
[09:34] <starrats> goodmorning everyone!
[09:41] <starrats> Is the program/app 'Curlew' going to added/fixed in 14.04, just curious
[10:07] <starrats> some early morning humor:   http://imgur.com/pauTM5r
[10:37] <elfy> starrats: and what is curlew?
[10:39] <starrats> It's a program that converts music videos to audio files.
[10:39] <starrats>   It worked on 13.10 my friend said, so I don't know if it was in the distro or an install 
[10:40] <elfy> no idea - it's not in the standard repos - it's certainly not anything to do with us at all though :)
[10:41] <starrats> ah ok
[10:41] <starrats> and good morning elfy
[10:41] <elfy> morning :)
[10:44] <starrats> I googled it elfy and all I got were birds, lol so I don't know what my friend is talking about atm ,lol!
[10:44] <starrats> did you see the imagur I posted above?
[10:56] <starrats> elfy:  http://www.noobslab.com/2013/03/curlew-multi-converter-for-ubuntu.html
[10:57] <starrats> bbl getting to leave to see my doctor
[13:06] <Aurvandill> hello
[13:06] <ochosi> !hello
[13:07] <knome> hmm...
[13:11] <bluesabre> hmm..?
[13:22] <knome> !hi | ochosi 
[13:24] <ochosi> +1
[13:26] <bluesabre> !howdy | knome
[13:26] <bluesabre> make that a reality
[13:31] <knome> ochosi, you made me find bug 1309533
[13:31] <ochosi> so huhu
[13:31] <ochosi> -so
[13:40] <elfy> afternoon all 
[13:45] <bluesabre> greetings elfy
[13:45] <knome> ochosi, answer that sad guy on #x
[13:56] <ochosi> knome: which one?
[13:56] <ochosi> gah, too much distracting/annoying backlog :/
[13:56] <knome> ochosi, clos
[13:56] <ochosi> am actually a bit short on time now
[13:59] <knome> ochosi, dashitis ;)
[14:00] <ochosi> not really
[14:00] <knome> settings-manager -> window-manager?
[14:00] <knome> :P
[14:00] <ochosi> yeah, that's totally fine imo
[14:00] <ochosi> anyway, i'm out, hf with clos ;)
[14:00] <knome> yeah...
[14:00] <elfy> cya ochosi 
[14:00] <ochosi> bbl
[14:00] <ochosi> cya elfy 
[14:01] <ochosi> elfy: great mail to the ML btw, always nice to thank the testers!
[14:01] <elfy> :)
[14:01] <elfy> knome: I did a spec for trello
[14:02] <elfy> by the way 
[14:02] <knome> noticed
[15:23] <knome> elfy, boo, you beat me. :)
[15:23] <elfy> lol
[15:25] <elfy> not many people torrenting it seems - I've seeded about 16 copies
[15:26] <knome> heh
[15:26] <ali1234> i've seeded 57 copies of i386 and 43 copies of x64
[15:27] <elfy> mine must smell then :p
[15:29] <knome> hah, i'm not even seeding
[15:41] <elfy> hi GridCube brainwash Aurvandill 
[15:42] <elfy> brainwash: so what was it you wanted me to check yesterday?
[15:51] <GridCube> elfy, 
[16:02] <elfy> brainwash: nvm found the backlog - and it was as I expected :p the buttons are synced now of course :|#
[16:03] <elfy> so - turning off lock on suspend - close lid - reboot - password to unlock! - black screen on tty7 - restart lightdm can then login
[16:03] <elfy> killall xfpm and reboot from suspend works 
[16:15] <elfy> suspend from action plugin and whiskermenu works fine - now I'm away till tomorrow 
[16:16] <Aurvandill> bb elfy
[16:28] <elfy> not doing very well at going - really off now :p
[16:28] <knome> elfy, hf :P
[16:29] <elfy> knome: cya - floating about tomorrow probably, unless I actually manage to get away :)
[16:34] <knome> bluesabre, added files to bug reports
[16:55] <starrats> Question?  Wouldn't it be easier to do a fresh install via dvd or usb thumbdrive of 14.04 over 13.10 instead of an upgrade?  Just curious.
[16:59] <knome> this isn't the support channel though...
[17:03] <starrats> Well I got a couple of emails that folks are having a slight problems upgradin from 13.10 to 14.04, so that's why I asked here knome.
[17:05] <knome> i would say "easier" depends on many factors, one big factor being what kind of stuff the user is familiar/comfortable with...
[17:06] <knome> and how important it is to backup settings and files, and if they know how to do that or not
[17:06] <knome> there is no single, "best", answer for everybody
[17:06] <starrats> ah okay question answered and how are you today knome?
[17:06] <knome> i'm okay
[17:19] <pleia2> knome: I'm thinking we should mention the minimal CD on our downloads page, but I am so tired right now I might just open a bug for it and do it later :)
[17:20] <knome> pleia2, lol
[17:20] <knome> i can do the update, but do you have energy to pad the text?
[17:21] <pleia2> knome: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-April/006739.html is a nice starting point :)
[17:21] <pleia2> that's the last time I ever want to write that, so
[17:21] <knome> hah
[17:22] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/XubuntuMini
[17:22] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD hasn't been updated with the current md5sums
[17:22] <pleia2> though I'd like to link to that
[17:23] <pleia2> I could just update it myself with the iso links and nag someone else to add the canonical md4sums
[17:23] <knome> mhm...
[17:23] <pleia2> or two of us could download and md5sum and compare!
[17:24] <knome> works
[17:24] <knome> so, should we just point to that page?
[17:26] <knome> ok, check the pad i posted
[17:26] <knome> should be ready
[17:27] <pleia2> logging in to all the things
[17:27] <pleia2> yeah that's good
[17:28]  * pleia2 downloads images
[17:28] <knome> me too
[17:29] <knome> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-WsRvpt1xY
[17:29] <knome> very good background music for post-release day
[17:32]  * knome is too confused...
[17:35] <knome> meh, the website is playing "no login for you" -games on me
[17:35] <pleia2> the help wiki decided to fall off the planet for me
[17:35] <pleia2> whee
[17:35] <knome> maybe it's a bigger issue then
[17:36] <pleia2> no more working for you
[17:36] <knome> haha
[17:36] <knome> "too many requests, dropping support"
[17:36] <knome> but wordpress 3.9, yay
[17:37] <knome> every new release means my clients are getting bang for their buck ;)
[17:37] <knome> yeah, i can't load launchpad either...
[17:37] <knome> maybe canonical shut their doors
[17:38] <knome> "meh, the xubuntu release was so much better than ours, let's go home"
[17:38] <pleia2> hehe
[17:39] <knome> yay works
[17:40] <knome> pleia2, updated website
[17:42] <knome> "Plugins and themes registering custom image sizes can now register suggested cropping points. For example, prevent heads from being cropped out of photos with a top-center crop."
[17:42] <knome> well done :P
[17:42] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD is updated
[17:42] <knome> good good
[17:43] <knome> you forgot the *'s
[17:43] <knome> i'll do taht
[17:43] <knome> done
[17:44] <pleia2> oh, for LTS
[17:44] <pleia2> thanks
[17:44] <knome> yep
[17:46] <knome> huhu, anything else? :)
[17:47] <pleia2> no, too tired :)
[17:47] <knome> hihi
[17:48] <knome> all the mirrors seem to be okay now
[17:48] <pleia2> yep, I checked them this morning
[17:48] <pleia2> which means like 20 minutes ago
[17:48] <knome> heh
[17:49] <knome> i just added an id for the minimal header, which means you can now link to http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/#minimal and make sure the minimal section is visible
[17:50] <pleia2> cool, thanks
[17:50] <knome> np
[17:52] <knome> uh oh
[17:52] <knome> i wonder if the latest wordpress update broke something
[17:52] <knome> :|
[17:53] <knome> can't access subdomain blogs
[17:53]  * knome sighs and goes fixing
[17:54] <knome> oh meh, forcing www.
[18:00] <knome> oh, hah, nope
[18:00]  * knome facepalms
[18:00] <knome> needs path to be set to "/", null isn't okay
[18:00]  * knome shrugs
[19:23] <catwiesel> Hello.
[19:23] <ochosi> !hello
[19:24] <catwiesel> Just wrote on #xubuntu and it was suggested I would try it here.
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:19:31] <catwiesel> Hey. I updated from 13.10 to 14.04 and now the indicator-multiload does not work anymore. An indicator similar to that, which I wrote myself didn't work either.
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:20:03] <catwiesel> It looks like the panel caches the icons, which makes indicator-multiload (has a histogram of cpu etc as an icon) useless.
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:20:18] <catwiesel> Is that an actual feature, which I couldn't find or a bug?
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:20:29] <catwiesel> And is that bug only on my machine, or everywhere?
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:21:02] <catwiesel> (I fixed my indicator by changing the path to the icon with every update, circumventing the proposed caching)
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:21:50] <catwiesel> Hi
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:22:25] <knome> catwiesel, it's a bad time now, right after the release, but join #xubuntu-devel for more information on indicator changes...
[19:24] <catwiesel> [21:23:18] <catwiesel> knome: Ok. Will do. Thanks. Mainly wanted to know, if that bug is spread, or just on my machine. But I'll wait, like you suggested.
[19:25] <ochosi> ok, first off
[19:25] <ochosi> no need to repaste lines from another channel
[19:25] <ochosi> especially if most ppl here are in #xubuntu as well
[19:25] <catwiesel> Ok. Sorry, makes sense.
[19:26] <ochosi> thing is, we switched to gtk3 indicators in 14.04
[19:26] <ochosi> so that's the main difference
[19:27] <ochosi> so if your indicators worked in 13.10, that suggests that they were/are gtk2 indicators
[19:27] <ochosi> hence they won't work in trusty
[19:27] <ochosi> unless you port them
[19:27] <ochosi> there were also a few changes under the hood of the indicators in the 14.04 cycle
[19:27] <ochosi> they use upstart now to launch the service/s
[19:27] <ochosi> and we do too
[19:27] <ochosi> catwiesel: makes sense? ^
[19:28] <catwiesel> Figured it was something with gtk.
[19:28] <catwiesel> Don't quite understand what upstart has to do with it, though. Could you elaborate on that?
[19:31] <ochosi> that's just the mechanism that starts the indicator-service when the session starts now
[19:31] <ochosi> before there were desktop files autostarted by the session
[19:32] <ochosi> but anyway, you don't have to worry about that because the xfce4-indicator-plugin takes care of that for you
[19:32] <catwiesel> Ok. I will look into upgrading, then. 
[19:32] <ochosi> so all you need is install a gtk3 indicator and it'll get autostarted by it
[19:34] <catwiesel> Alright.
[19:34] <catwiesel> Hope the multiload indicator gets updated, then. 
[19:35] <catwiesel> Thanks for the quick response.
[19:35] <ochosi> np
[19:36] <ochosi> if you're writing indicators yourself and feel like writing ones for xubuntu, that's always appreciated btw ;)
[19:37] <ochosi> (e.g. a datetime indicator with google-calendar sync that doesn't depend on gnome or unity stuff would be very high on my personal wishlist)
[19:39] <catwiesel> Well, I used the appindicator module, which is not that well documented. And looking at the source of indicator-multiload with dozens of files, where mine is like 100loc in on .py file, I'd say, I leave that to the pros for now ^_^
[19:39] <catwiesel> Will look through the source some more, though. Might learn something new. Even if it's just the language.
[19:40] <ochosi> heh
[19:40] <ochosi> yeah
[19:41] <ochosi> anyway, new contributors are always welcome
[19:41] <ochosi> it's not like we're a huge team
[19:42] <catwiesel> I like Xubuntu a lot. Not that good at reading into other people codebases, though.
[19:42] <catwiesel> But someday  o/
[19:46] <ochosi> sure
[19:46] <ochosi> actually coding isn't the only way you can contribute
[19:47] <catwiesel> I could translate stuff, but German always seems to be taken real quick.
[19:47] <Aurvandill>  catwiesel aslo from germany?
[19:47] <catwiesel> Yes.
[19:50] <ochosi> there is also testing
[19:50] <ochosi> which is quite important
[19:50] <ochosi> bugfixing/triaging
[19:51] <ochosi> and supporting users in #xubuntu
[19:51] <ochosi> artwork, documentation, etc.
[21:21] <amigamagic> hey guys do you know what means the last message the ubuntu bot send me here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251 ?
[21:37] <amigamagic> I mean, not here in the chat room.... I mean in that page I linked...
[22:35] <knome> Unit193, can you go to http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/2014/04/18/image-alignment-testing-post/ and resize the window horizontally?
[22:37] <Unit193> Okay...?
[22:37] <knome> Unit193, so, do the images resize nicely?
[22:37] <knome> and keep in three columns?
[22:38] <Unit193> No seeing anything different.
[22:38] <Unit193> Ahhh!
[22:38] <knome> make the window reaally narrow
[22:38] <knome> then reaaally wide
[22:39] <knome> i guess it's better turn that into a shortcode and not try to get it working wysiwyg
[22:40] <knome> also, automatic probing for column count.
[23:38] <knome> Unit193, test again!
[23:39] <Unit193> "OH no it's on FIRE!!" :P
[23:40] <knome> <3 that new shortcode
[23:40] <knome> though could be a bit more user-friendly, have to know attachment id's now
[23:40] <knome> or show all attachments for the post
[23:40] <knome> but it's a start...
[23:40] <Unit193> Not sure I notice much different.
[23:40] <knome> this starts looking like a plugin!
[23:41] <Unit193> But congrats about it working without js.
[23:41] <knome> no, it shouldn't be different, that's the point
[23:41] <knome> but 2 and 3 columns.
[23:41] <knome> of course ;)
[23:41] <knome> hours spent on css not in vain..
[23:42] <knome> besides css3 is great.