[00:00] and take care, and make sure people are shepherded at #xubuntu ;) [00:00] --> [00:00] nightie knome [00:31] CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WHOLE TEAM!! [00:39] starrats: thank you [00:39] is your cursor freeze problem resolved now? [00:44] so far two days in a row no freeze at startup and today when I rebooted it went jus fine, the cursor remains unfrozen so far [00:45] wonder if tonight I should do my daily updates/dist-upgrades? [00:45] or should I wait [00:45] why should you wait? [00:45] ah okay [00:45] cool [00:46] what's 14.10? [00:46] from now on there won't be that many updates on a daily base [00:47] the next release number? :) [00:47] ah okay will there be an automatic pop up window telling you to update? [00:47] it can be configured [00:47] 14.10 going to be the 'new' 13.10? [00:47] ah ok [00:48] new 13.10? :D [00:48] it's either .04 or .10 [00:48] well don't kmnow how to say it [00:48] ah ok [00:50] but 14.04 LTS is an important release, so we should focus on getting the known issues fixed [00:50] okay and I do understand that. [00:50] and any new problems which pop up on launchpad [00:50] ah okay [00:52] I started with 13.10 from a friend who sent me a disk and I couldn't get it to dual boot and used VBox for about 2 months then one day scrolling I found 14.04 and been thru the thick and the thin. [00:53] and having my ups and downs but stuck to it and I'm glad i did. [00:54] that's awesome :) [00:54] virtualbox is perfectly good - bt it's even better when you put windows inside it :) [00:57] I currently have Debian-xfce Wheezy in my VBox and using weechat. [00:59] Eventually my windows7 side of the partition will disappear and the laptop will be all xubuntu Linux and windows will be in the VBox, lol [01:00] getting off for the night and will see you all tomorrow, good night everyone. [01:12] !isitout ;) [01:12] !isitout [01:12] Yes, it's out! Download at http://www.ubuntu.com/download | Release announcement at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html [01:12] !isitout [01:12] See? [01:12] doesn't work with emoticons [01:12] :-( [01:13] Happy release day everyone! [01:13] :D [01:13] * bluesabre is late to the party [01:21] i've seeded 30GB of xubuntu isos already :) [01:22] nice ali1234 [01:22] I can thank you for my current leeching [01:22] :) [01:24] this dedi has a stupid amount of traffic allowance... 20TB per month [01:27] ever reach your cap? [01:28] no, not even close [01:28] the only reason we have a dedi is because of a bug in a piece of wiki software [01:28] which allowed spammers to create pages, but not edit them [01:28] oh god [01:29] I bet thats fun [01:29] we used to have a cheap VPS with 512MB RAM [01:29] but unswappable kernel memory was limited to like 20MB [01:30] the bug caused that t be exceeded, and then random processes got killed [01:30] so we got the cheapest ever dedi [01:30] i would never use a VPS again frankly... they suck [01:30] now we don't even use 1% of the resources normally [01:31] even though i eventually tracked down the problem... going back just isn't an option [01:36] digital ocean works pretty well, but I had to upgrade to the 2GB, every time I post something it was like a DOS attack [01:37] we're on hetzner [01:38] hosting about 20 odd websites, mostly blogs and other low traffic stuff [03:20] did the lightlocker issue get addressed? [03:25] it's 14.04 === Guest60783 is now known as hiddenbacon [06:21] ochosi: I think we need to publish the screen locking post - seems to be waiting for a screenshot though [06:22] and a docs link [07:52] elfy: the screenshots are there but knome wants to land a few css fix for that first [07:53] so tuesday is the eta [07:53] ochosi: ok - cheers :) [07:57] Pwnna: not sure what you're referring to, but in case it's the lid-lock-suspend issue, then no, that's not fixed yet [09:34] goodmorning everyone! [09:41] Is the program/app 'Curlew' going to added/fixed in 14.04, just curious [10:07] some early morning humor: http://imgur.com/pauTM5r [10:37] starrats: and what is curlew? [10:39] It's a program that converts music videos to audio files. [10:39] It worked on 13.10 my friend said, so I don't know if it was in the distro or an install [10:40] no idea - it's not in the standard repos - it's certainly not anything to do with us at all though :) [10:41] ah ok [10:41] and good morning elfy [10:41] morning :) [10:44] I googled it elfy and all I got were birds, lol so I don't know what my friend is talking about atm ,lol! [10:44] did you see the imagur I posted above? [10:56] elfy: http://www.noobslab.com/2013/03/curlew-multi-converter-for-ubuntu.html [10:57] bbl getting to leave to see my doctor [13:06] hello [13:06] !hello [13:06] Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu-devel! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [13:07] hmm... [13:11] hmm..? [13:22] !hi | ochosi [13:22] ochosi: Hello! Welcome to #xubuntu-devel! Please note that this channel is for Xubuntu developer coordination. For support questions, please use #xubuntu. Offtopic chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic. [13:24] +1 [13:26] !howdy | knome [13:26] make that a reality [13:31] ochosi, you made me find bug 1309533 [13:31] bug 1309533 in Ubuntu IRC Bots "Can't edit factoids that are aliases to nonexisting factoids" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309533 [13:31] so huhu [13:31] -so [13:40] afternoon all [13:45] greetings elfy [13:45] ochosi, answer that sad guy on #x [13:56] knome: which one? [13:56] gah, too much distracting/annoying backlog :/ [13:56] ochosi, clos [13:56] am actually a bit short on time now [13:59] ochosi, dashitis ;) [14:00] not really [14:00] settings-manager -> window-manager? [14:00] :P [14:00] yeah, that's totally fine imo [14:00] anyway, i'm out, hf with clos ;) [14:00] yeah... [14:00] cya ochosi [14:00] bbl [14:00] cya elfy [14:01] elfy: great mail to the ML btw, always nice to thank the testers! [14:01] :) [14:01] knome: I did a spec for trello [14:02] by the way [14:02] noticed === [1]amigamagic is now known as amigamagic [15:23] elfy, boo, you beat me. :) [15:23] lol [15:25] not many people torrenting it seems - I've seeded about 16 copies [15:26] heh [15:26] i've seeded 57 copies of i386 and 43 copies of x64 [15:27] mine must smell then :p [15:29] hah, i'm not even seeding [15:41] hi GridCube brainwash Aurvandill [15:42] brainwash: so what was it you wanted me to check yesterday? [15:51] elfy, [16:02] brainwash: nvm found the backlog - and it was as I expected :p the buttons are synced now of course :|# [16:03] so - turning off lock on suspend - close lid - reboot - password to unlock! - black screen on tty7 - restart lightdm can then login [16:03] killall xfpm and reboot from suspend works [16:15] suspend from action plugin and whiskermenu works fine - now I'm away till tomorrow [16:16] bb elfy [16:28] not doing very well at going - really off now :p [16:28] elfy, hf :P [16:29] knome: cya - floating about tomorrow probably, unless I actually manage to get away :) [16:34] bluesabre, added files to bug reports [16:55] Question? Wouldn't it be easier to do a fresh install via dvd or usb thumbdrive of 14.04 over 13.10 instead of an upgrade? Just curious. [16:59] this isn't the support channel though... [17:03] Well I got a couple of emails that folks are having a slight problems upgradin from 13.10 to 14.04, so that's why I asked here knome. [17:05] i would say "easier" depends on many factors, one big factor being what kind of stuff the user is familiar/comfortable with... [17:06] and how important it is to backup settings and files, and if they know how to do that or not [17:06] there is no single, "best", answer for everybody [17:06] ah okay question answered and how are you today knome? [17:06] i'm okay [17:19] knome: I'm thinking we should mention the minimal CD on our downloads page, but I am so tired right now I might just open a bug for it and do it later :) [17:20] pleia2, lol [17:20] i can do the update, but do you have energy to pad the text? [17:21] knome: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-April/006739.html is a nice starting point :) [17:21] that's the last time I ever want to write that, so [17:21] hah [17:22] http://pad.ubuntu.com/XubuntuMini [17:22] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD hasn't been updated with the current md5sums [17:22] though I'd like to link to that [17:23] I could just update it myself with the iso links and nag someone else to add the canonical md4sums [17:23] mhm... [17:23] or two of us could download and md5sum and compare! [17:24] works [17:24] so, should we just point to that page? [17:26] ok, check the pad i posted [17:26] should be ready [17:27] logging in to all the things [17:27] yeah that's good [17:28] * pleia2 downloads images [17:28] me too [17:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-WsRvpt1xY [17:29] very good background music for post-release day [17:32] * knome is too confused... [17:35] meh, the website is playing "no login for you" -games on me [17:35] the help wiki decided to fall off the planet for me [17:35] whee [17:35] maybe it's a bigger issue then [17:36] no more working for you [17:36] haha [17:36] "too many requests, dropping support" [17:36] but wordpress 3.9, yay [17:37] every new release means my clients are getting bang for their buck ;) [17:37] yeah, i can't load launchpad either... [17:37] maybe canonical shut their doors [17:38] "meh, the xubuntu release was so much better than ours, let's go home" [17:38] hehe [17:39] yay works [17:40] pleia2, updated website [17:42] "Plugins and themes registering custom image sizes can now register suggested cropping points. For example, prevent heads from being cropped out of photos with a top-center crop." [17:42] well done :P [17:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD is updated [17:42] good good [17:43] you forgot the *'s [17:43] i'll do taht [17:43] done [17:44] oh, for LTS [17:44] thanks [17:44] yep [17:46] huhu, anything else? :) [17:47] no, too tired :) [17:47] hihi [17:48] all the mirrors seem to be okay now [17:48] yep, I checked them this morning [17:48] which means like 20 minutes ago [17:48] heh [17:49] i just added an id for the minimal header, which means you can now link to http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/#minimal and make sure the minimal section is visible [17:50] cool, thanks [17:50] np [17:52] uh oh [17:52] i wonder if the latest wordpress update broke something [17:52] :| [17:53] can't access subdomain blogs [17:53] * knome sighs and goes fixing [17:54] oh meh, forcing www. [18:00] oh, hah, nope [18:00] * knome facepalms [18:00] needs path to be set to "/", null isn't okay [18:00] * knome shrugs [19:23] Hello. [19:23] !hello [19:23] Hello! Welcome to #xubuntu-devel! Please note that this channel is for Xubuntu developer coordination. For support questions, please use #xubuntu. Offtopic chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic. [19:24] Just wrote on #xubuntu and it was suggested I would try it here. [19:24] [21:19:31] Hey. I updated from 13.10 to 14.04 and now the indicator-multiload does not work anymore. An indicator similar to that, which I wrote myself didn't work either. [19:24] [21:20:03] It looks like the panel caches the icons, which makes indicator-multiload (has a histogram of cpu etc as an icon) useless. [19:24] [21:20:18] Is that an actual feature, which I couldn't find or a bug? [19:24] [21:20:29] And is that bug only on my machine, or everywhere? [19:24] [21:21:02] (I fixed my indicator by changing the path to the icon with every update, circumventing the proposed caching) [19:24] [21:21:50] Hi [19:24] [21:22:25] catwiesel, it's a bad time now, right after the release, but join #xubuntu-devel for more information on indicator changes... [19:24] [21:23:18] knome: Ok. Will do. Thanks. Mainly wanted to know, if that bug is spread, or just on my machine. But I'll wait, like you suggested. [19:25] ok, first off [19:25] no need to repaste lines from another channel [19:25] especially if most ppl here are in #xubuntu as well [19:25] Ok. Sorry, makes sense. [19:26] thing is, we switched to gtk3 indicators in 14.04 [19:26] so that's the main difference [19:27] so if your indicators worked in 13.10, that suggests that they were/are gtk2 indicators [19:27] hence they won't work in trusty [19:27] unless you port them [19:27] there were also a few changes under the hood of the indicators in the 14.04 cycle [19:27] they use upstart now to launch the service/s [19:27] and we do too [19:27] catwiesel: makes sense? ^ [19:28] Figured it was something with gtk. [19:28] Don't quite understand what upstart has to do with it, though. Could you elaborate on that? [19:31] that's just the mechanism that starts the indicator-service when the session starts now [19:31] before there were desktop files autostarted by the session [19:32] but anyway, you don't have to worry about that because the xfce4-indicator-plugin takes care of that for you [19:32] Ok. I will look into upgrading, then. [19:32] so all you need is install a gtk3 indicator and it'll get autostarted by it [19:34] Alright. [19:34] Hope the multiload indicator gets updated, then. [19:35] Thanks for the quick response. [19:35] np [19:36] if you're writing indicators yourself and feel like writing ones for xubuntu, that's always appreciated btw ;) [19:37] (e.g. a datetime indicator with google-calendar sync that doesn't depend on gnome or unity stuff would be very high on my personal wishlist) [19:39] Well, I used the appindicator module, which is not that well documented. And looking at the source of indicator-multiload with dozens of files, where mine is like 100loc in on .py file, I'd say, I leave that to the pros for now ^_^ [19:39] Will look through the source some more, though. Might learn something new. Even if it's just the language. [19:40] heh [19:40] yeah [19:41] anyway, new contributors are always welcome [19:41] it's not like we're a huge team [19:42] I like Xubuntu a lot. Not that good at reading into other people codebases, though. [19:42] But someday o/ [19:46] sure [19:46] actually coding isn't the only way you can contribute [19:47] I could translate stuff, but German always seems to be taken real quick. [19:47] catwiesel aslo from germany? [19:47] Yes. [19:50] there is also testing [19:50] which is quite important [19:50] bugfixing/triaging [19:51] and supporting users in #xubuntu [19:51] artwork, documentation, etc. [21:21] hey guys do you know what means the last message the ubuntu bot send me here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251 ? [21:21] Launchpad bug 1307251 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Low,Confirmed] [21:37] I mean, not here in the chat room.... I mean in that page I linked... [22:35] Unit193, can you go to http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/2014/04/18/image-alignment-testing-post/ and resize the window horizontally? [22:37] Okay...? [22:37] Unit193, so, do the images resize nicely? [22:37] and keep in three columns? [22:38] No seeing anything different. [22:38] Ahhh! [22:38] make the window reaally narrow [22:38] then reaaally wide [22:39] i guess it's better turn that into a shortcode and not try to get it working wysiwyg [22:40] also, automatic probing for column count. [23:38] Unit193, test again! [23:39] "OH no it's on FIRE!!" :P [23:40] <3 that new shortcode [23:40] though could be a bit more user-friendly, have to know attachment id's now [23:40] or show all attachments for the post [23:40] but it's a start... [23:40] Not sure I notice much different. [23:40] this starts looking like a plugin! [23:41] But congrats about it working without js. [23:41] no, it shouldn't be different, that's the point [23:41] but 2 and 3 columns. [23:41] of course ;) [23:41] hours spent on css not in vain.. [23:42] besides css3 is great.