[00:20] <celtha> hi
[00:21] <celtha> any have problems with graphoc card on intel i5-4670 with kubuntu 14.04?
[00:25] <shpekk> 000
[00:34] <celtha_> hi all
[00:35] <code_chimp> Hello
[00:36] <celtha_> i want ask about integrated graphic card..
[00:37] <celtha_> i have i5-4670 and dont can up resolution more that 1024/768
[00:37] <celtha_> i dont know waht is the problem..... need any special drivers on kubuntu 14?
[01:12] <giantpune> hi.  can somebody tell me how to ignore a broken package in kubuntu 14.04?  i used teh built-in driver thingy and it installed nvidia driver and now synaptic is complaining that the default xorg driver is broken.
[01:12] <giantpune> i'd like to jsut ignore it if possible as the nvidia one seems to be working.
[01:14] <Etriaph> Hi folks.
[01:15] <Etriaph> Does anyone have a solution for an NVIDIA GeForce 700 series card for 14.04 by any chance?
[01:15] <Etriaph> lspci shows the card and detects it properly, but I can't get a working nvidia/xorg combination working
[01:16] <giantpune> the default driver menu doesnt recommend anything for it?
[01:16] <giantpune> settings>system settings -> driver manager
[01:16] <Etriaph> Nope
[01:16] <Etriaph> And I know nvidia's driver supports the card
[01:17] <Etriaph> I can't seem to download it from nvidia.com, it keeps dropping the connection during the transfer
[01:19] <Etriaph> I'm stuck in an 800 x 600 display through an HDMI cable to a 21.5" monitor :(
[01:21] <Etriaph> I did install from the beta 2 ISO, I guess I can try burning the official release ISO and reinstall
[01:21] <giantpune> i took the official update today and my crappy nvidia card is worknig pretty well with teh default driver
[01:22] <Etriaph> My install doesn't see that it's there, nvidia-settings has no configuration available
[01:22] <Etriaph> Ran nvidia-xconfig and then I couldn't get a display from lightdm
[01:22] <Etriaph> Had to back that out and continue from there
[01:23] <Etriaph> I should be able to run 1920 x 1080 (as I do on my Win7 install) but ya, it doesn't think I have an nvidia card installed somehow
[01:45] <keithzg> AciD`: For the record, I rebooted again and the problem has actually reappeared. So I think you lose that bet :P
[01:47] <keithzg> But it's Friday evening and this is my work computer, soooo . . .
[01:48]  * keithzg will worry about it Monday.
[01:54] <keithzg> ...oh, wow, the clock on this PC is off by over 40 minutes now? Okay, yeah, it's definitely something weird in regards to this computer's perception of time . . . whatever. It's the weekend!
[01:54]  * keithzg actually leaves this time.
[02:12] <etriaph> Figured out how to get nvidia card working
[02:12] <Etriaph> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/install-nvidia-driver-331-67-ubuntu1404/
[02:12] <Etriaph> In the case anyone's lookin'
[02:12] <Etriaph> Worked like a charm.
[02:16] <valorie> good to hear you got it working
[03:22] <westyvw_> great notes migration isnt working, nor is anakonda after upgrade. Ideas?
[03:22] <westyvw_> akonadi i mean
[03:26] <valorie> westyvw_: two channels I can recommend are #kontact and #akonadi
[03:27] <valorie> however, it is now the 4-day Easter weekend in most of Europe
[03:27] <westyvw_> valorie: no posts by the kubuntu team yet then
[03:27] <valorie> so answers might be slow in arriving
[03:27] <westyvw_> 4 days?
[03:27] <valorie> right, everyone was working 20 hour days, and many have taken off for the weekend
[03:28] <valorie> yes, I heard that Th-Sun or Fri-Mon are both common
[03:28] <westyvw_> lol, i guess so i too am taking Monday off
[03:29] <valorie> leisure is a part of life us Murricans ignore, to our detriment
[03:29] <valorie> you aren't alone; I heard of another person whose akonadi process wouldn't start
[03:30] <valorie> not very many problems this time out though
[03:34] <westyvw_> i think i found the solution to this, but i need to reboot to update the video driver. geez .
[03:34] <westyvw_> thanks for chat!
[03:46] <__dan__> hi all, congrats on 14.04 :) thanks to all devs etc
[04:05] <giovane> oi
[04:27] <ptyx> anyone about?
[04:28] <ptyx> upgraded to 14.04 and it broke
[04:28] <ptyx> how disappointing
[04:28] <facorread> What happened?
[04:29] <bjrohan> Uh-Oh. In my Muon Update manager it looks for updates, then it says waiting for configuration file, and nothing else
[04:29] <ptyx> facorread, it froze while loading the desktop
[04:29] <hkuieagle> hi, ubuntu upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04, when boot up it shows "error: malformed file \n press any key to cotinue". Anyone knows how to fix this?
[04:29] <ptyx> i've not done a clean install and now i can't install my basic apps
[04:29] <ptyx> really crap
[04:30] <ptyx> muon discover is awful, and it won't allow me to install package manager
[04:30] <facorread> OK wild guesses for both hkuieagle and ptyx, try clean installs again.
[04:30] <facorread> I also dislike muon discover.
[04:30] <facorread> I prefer muon but it has a bug about purging and removing; I use synaptic as workaround.
[04:30] <ptyx> i like how it looks but it simply doesn't work half the time
[04:31] <ptyx> how to install synaptic?
[04:31] <ptyx> the package manager should never be removed, ever
[04:31] <facorread> In a console run apt-get install synaptic muon
[04:31] <facorread> muon may work for you.
[04:31] <facorread> Sorry
[04:31] <facorread> sudo apt-get install synaptic muon
[04:32] <hkuieagle> After showing that error, it can start up normally. I guess something is wrong with Grub
[04:32] <valorie> bjrohan: you might run dpkg as well, to reconfigure
[04:32] <ptyx> it's saying i'm missing libmuonprivate2
[04:33] <bjrohan> valorie: what do I entger on the console to do that?
[04:33] <ptyx> facorread: thx
[04:33] <valorie> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:34] <bjrohan> valorie: says locked by another process, Muon is not running though
[04:34] <valorie> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:34] <facorread> ptyx wait, is your desktop loaded already?
[04:35] <valorie> then run it again (up-arrow)
[04:35] <valorie> before reinstalling, why not try `sudo apt-get install -f`?
[04:35] <valorie> and get the malformed package fixed
[04:35] <valorie> hkuieagle: ^^^
[04:36] <bjrohan> valorie: it is running but I see some errors passing by
[04:36] <valorie> also, there seems to be a mixup between muon package manager and muon discover here
[04:36] <valorie> some prefer one, some the other, but 14.04 shipped with Discover
[04:37] <bjrohan> valorie:
[04:37] <wilfredo> hello, nice to be with you, I am willing to work with what you can, count me
[04:37] <bjrohan> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:37] <bjrohan>  libperl5.18
[04:37] <bjrohan>  libcommon-sense-perl
[04:37] <bjrohan>  gvfs-backends
[04:37] <bjrohan>  libsnmp30:amd64
[04:37] <unopaste> bjrohan you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[04:37] <valorie> very good, unopaste
[04:39] <valorie> also, `top` is your friend
[04:40] <valorie> it shows you what is running, and it's often easy to kill stuff from there
[04:40] <hkuieagle> valorie: you mean reinstall grub2?
[04:40] <hkuieagle> it's a upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[04:40] <DarthFrog> "htop" is even better than "top".
[04:40] <valorie> there was advice above to reinstall
[04:41] <valorie> which shouldn't be necessary
[04:42] <valorie> DarthFrog: htop does give you more info, but that isn't always necessary
[04:43] <DarthFrog> valorie: I find htop to be a clearer display and the kill facility is much better.
[04:43] <DarthFrog> Nothing wrong with regular top, though.
[04:44] <valorie> I use both at times
[04:44] <valorie> amazing the power in 3 or 4 letters
[05:22] <covey> ok. so, updated to 14.04 and upon restart got "grub_term_highlight_color not found. whats the solution?
[05:22] <covey> i only have access to grub rescue
[05:24] <valorie> wow
[05:24] <valorie> grub rescue is horrible
[05:25] <valorie> covey: do you have a recent backup of your ~/home ?
[05:26] <covey> unfortunately i dont believe so.
[05:26] <covey> i dont remember the last time i backed it up
[05:28] <valorie> do you have home in its own partition?
[05:31] <covey> yes, but unless im mistaken that would be a predominantly storage partition and not the os partition
[05:31] <valorie> that means you can do a clean install and still have your home untouched
[05:31] <valorie> if it is worth keeping
[05:31] <covey> if that doesnt sound right then say so. im not exactly the brightest bulb when it comes to this kind of thing
[05:32] <valorie> home is mostly storage, yes
[05:32] <valorie> your files, songs, photos etc.
[05:32] <valorie> not everyone puts it onto a separate partition though
[05:32] <valorie> if you did not, then a clean install will erase your home
[05:33] <covey> their are a fair amount of things i dont want to lose. im on a business trip though and dont really have anything to do a clean install with. im on my phone at the moment
[05:34] <valorie> covey, here is an idea -- can you get to some big box store that would have hard drives and enclosures?
[05:35] <covey> i run a 2 hd dual boot system, so yes, most of the non-os stuff is saved on a separate drive
[05:35] <valorie> cool
[05:35] <covey> yes
[05:35] <valorie> then you only need a usb key, but you have to have A computer to download the ISO onto
[05:36] <covey> ok. so there isnt anything i can do from the command line to fix the problem?
[05:36] <valorie> even a windows box can probably burn an ISO onto a thumb drive
[05:36] <valorie> right now, your only commandline is the grub rescue
[05:37] <valorie> I personally have never been able to rescue grub with it
[05:37] <covey> i could probably boot to the windows side, save it on a thumb drive and then redo the kubuntu side actually
[05:37] <valorie> sure
[05:37] <valorie> if grub rescue lets you do that
[05:38] <valorie> that's the problem
[05:38] <covey> well, that seems fitting. itd be too simple if it worked
[05:38] <valorie> oooo, this might work:
[05:38] <valorie> set root=(hd0,msdos6)
[05:38] <valorie> set prefix=(hd0,msdos6)/boot/grub
[05:38] <valorie> insmod normal
[05:38] <valorie> normal
[05:39] <valorie> from grub rescue
[05:39] <valorie> askubuntu.com/questions/192621/grub-rescue-prompt-repair-grub
[05:39] <valorie> look at that, it might be helpful
[05:41] <covey> got "no such partition"
[05:41] <covey> thanks for the link btw
[05:41] <valorie> it has a good number of strategies
[06:02] <covey> so, got all that to work and still got the same term highlight color error. any other ideas?
[06:02] <ofc> after I upgraded from Kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 randomly crashes system
[06:11] <valorie> hmmmm
[06:12] <valorie> did you google that error?
[06:14] <valorie> ok, I just did, and it seems that it is cause by uefi
[06:14] <valorie> ugh
[06:14] <valorie> however, some say that `grub2-install --target=i386-pc /dev/sda` helps
[06:14] <valorie> of course, if you have a different box or configuration, change that.....
[06:51] <ofc> .xsession-error  http://goo.gl/irnZ5A
[06:54] <FlameReaper-PC> Apparently a lot of KDE packages seem to be held in the repository, which might explain my failure to upgrade?
[06:55] <FlameReaper-PC> at any rate attempting to replace my sources.list with trusty entries will make me purge my KDE desktop in favor of GNOME
[07:15] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC: that's not the suggested way to upgrade
[07:15] <valorie> what are you upgrading, first of all?
[07:16] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: trying to upgrade to 14.04.
[07:16] <FlameReaper-PC> of course, that's not the suggested way, it's a last resort of sorts
[07:16] <valorie> why, what has happened?
[07:16] <FlameReaper-PC> i've been unable to upgrade
[07:16] <valorie> also, from what are you upgrading?
[07:16] <FlameReaper-PC> 13.10
[07:17] <valorie> so first, `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[07:17] <FlameReaper-PC> done
[07:18] <FlameReaper-PC> I mean, that was already tried from the first time
[07:18] <valorie> then `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[07:18] <FlameReaper-PC> ^ that's where I'm stuck at
[07:18] <valorie> it's always important to have an up-to-date version
[07:18] <valorie> what happens?
[07:21] <FlameReaper-PC> it's the same error
[07:21] <FlameReaper-PC> the "
[07:21] <FlameReaper-PC> "cannot calculate upgrade"
[07:24] <valorie> can you paste the command and error into pastebin?
[07:24] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:24] <valorie> !paste
[07:25] <dhq> hey
[07:25] <dhq> i just upgraded to 14.04 and now i dont have a 1080p resolution what do you think
[07:26] <valorie> hmmm
[07:26] <valorie> back in the day, you had to mess with x.org for that
[07:26] <dhq> now ?
[07:26] <valorie> I dunno
[07:26] <lordievader> dhq: xrandr ;)
[07:27] <dhq> lets wikik
[07:27] <lordievader> dhq: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[07:27] <valorie> !xrandr
[07:28] <lordievader> Meh, works perfectly for single screens too.
[07:28] <valorie> yes, that seems an oddly formed linky
[07:31] <dhq> this resolution is so bad
[07:31] <dhq> i think i need to connect back to my tv and runxandr
[07:49] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: http://pastebin.com/BLHxUcKC << sudo do-release-upgrade output
[07:49] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: http://pastebin.com/VH0sEfKG << apt.log output
[07:50] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: "Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu" is this the case?
[07:50] <FlameReaper-PC> lordievader: the thing is I already downgraded to the bare minimum
[07:50] <FlameReaper-PC> I mean, ppa purging
[07:50] <FlameReaper-PC> quite a number of stuff
[07:51] <Aquablue1704> Good morning ppl, I have a question concerning the new Kubuntu 14.04 LTS release. Every time I try to install something via the Muon Software Center, Kubuntu notifies me about the changes it will make. In this case it wants to remove "xserver-xorg-video-all". Is it safe to continue?
[07:51] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: At this stage I'd go for a fresh install.
[07:51] <FlameReaper-PC> lordievader: that would suck, and I don't really want to take the time for that
[07:52] <lordievader> FlameReaper-PC: The amount of breakage apt predicts cost more time.
[07:52] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: You probably don't want to remove that. What are you trying to install?
[07:53] <FlameReaper-PC> I guess I'll hold back from upgrading for now...
[07:53] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:53] <valorie> that is a meta-package
[07:53] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: apparently that I do
[07:54] <FlameReaper-PC> yes I do have it.
[07:54] <valorie> I suggest `sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop`
[07:54] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep ^hi  see if you have anything there.  I suppose  apt-get install -f  doesn't help you?
[07:54] <valorie> something is really broken
[07:55] <Aquablue1704> @lordievader: The message pops up when I try to install anything from the Muon Software Center: Gimp, VLC, Steam etc. It doesn't matter what it is, it always wants to remove the "xserver-xorg-video-all" package. I am running on a fresh Kubuntu 14.04 64-bit installation.
[07:55] <FlameReaper-PC> Unit193: dpkg -l | grep ^hi returns nothing, apt-get -f install also does nothing.
[07:55] <lordievader> !info xserver-xorg-video-all
[07:55] <Unit193> FlameReaper-PC: Well, that's a good thing, but bummer for the fix.
[07:56] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: Hmm, it is only a meta package... There isn't anything else that it wants to remove too?
[07:57] <lordievader> Unit193: What should "^hi" target?
[07:57] <valorie> I have it installed though
[07:57] <valorie> according to apt-cache policy
[07:57] <Unit193> lordievader: dpkg -l  lists packages, first column is the status.  'hi' is 'held, installed'
[07:57] <lordievader> Ah check.
[07:57] <valorie> Aquablue1704: you can always install it later
[07:57] <FlameReaper-PC> from the apt log, it seems to have problem with the KDE packages, Samba, and a number of other packages.
[07:58] <Aquablue1704> @lord: I honestly don't know. Any way I could check that? The only thing it shows me is the message above and it tells me that changes are needed and that it's going to remove that package.
[07:58] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: You could see if apt wants to remove it too. "sudo apt-get install vlc" for example.
[07:59] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC: the thing is, you said your 13.10 was up to date
[07:59] <valorie> instead, it seems really out of date
[07:59] <FlameReaper-PC> Hmm
[07:59] <valorie> do you have something pinned?
[07:59] <FlameReaper-PC> I'll try reenabling updates with packages only from official channels
[08:00] <FlameReaper-PC> valorie: last I checked, apt-get returns 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[08:01] <Aquablue1704> @lord Terminal output tells me that vlc is missing some needed dependencies and that "xserver-xorg-video-all" depends on "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" but it won't/can't or shouldn't be installed.
[08:02] <Aquablue1704> I can copy and paste the terminal info but it's in German.
[08:02] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: Didn't you say it was a fresh install?
[08:03] <Unit193> `apt-cache policy` will list all the repos priorities, yes.
[08:04] <Aquablue1704> @lord: Yea, I installed Kubuntu yesterday and so far I haven't been able to install anything else (for the reasons mentioned above).
[08:06] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: Because I get the feeling it's broken :( can I see the apt output?
[08:07] <Aquablue1704> @lord: I just tried sudo apt-get install gimp and the terminal output is almost identical to the info I get when trying to install VLC: Missing dependencies and the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau info.
[08:07] <Aquablue1704> @lord: Sure, how can I show you the apt output?
[08:07] <valorie> !paste
[08:08] <Aquablue1704> Ah thx valorie.
[08:09] <valorie> yw
[08:09] <valorie> lots of fun and useful stuff in that bot
[08:11] <lordievader> :)
[08:11] <Aquablue1704> @lord: There you go -> http://imagebin.org/306443
[08:12] <valorie> Aquablue1704: what lordievader means, is paste the whole command and output in there
[08:12] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: You know you can use autocomplete on my nick right?
[08:12] <valorie> copy by selecting
[08:12] <lordievader> And yes, I'd like to see the full output.
[08:13] <lordievader> Even though it is German I should be able to read it somewhat (I'm Dutch).
[08:13] <Aquablue1704> Aaah kk, gotcha. Sorry for misunderstanding. I'm still a bit new to IRC and Kubuntu. :)
[08:13] <valorie> it's fine, we all started as beginners
[08:13] <valorie> some of us still are
[08:13] <valorie> :-)
[08:14] <Aquablue1704> Kk, so what's the command you want me to copy and paste into the terminal?
[08:14] <lordievader> I know exactly how it feels, I'm a beginner with Gentoo. Most things I don't understand yet/
[08:16] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:16] <Aquablue1704> @lord & valorie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7282137/
[08:17] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: Try what apt suggests: sudo apt-get install -f
[08:18] <valorie> it's not scary when apt tells you too
[08:19] <Aquablue1704> Kk, I did as suggested and this is what it tells me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7282149/
[08:19] <Aquablue1704> It wants to download and install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.
[08:19] <lordievader> Oh that's fine.
[08:19] <shadowbroker> hello, someone please help me
[08:20] <shadowbroker> i hit some Win + something combination and now its like my desktop reset
[08:20] <valorie> !ask | shadowbroker
[08:20] <shadowbroker> all of my windows are gone and my background is the default
[08:20] <valorie> oops, sorry
[08:20] <valorie> by "reset", what do you mean?
[08:20] <Aquablue1704> @lord: Kk, I installed it.
[08:20] <shadowbroker> i think it switched workspaces or something, but i had a bunch of windows open
[08:20] <shadowbroker> and now they're all gone from the taskbar
[08:21] <shadowbroker> so i think im in another desktop or workspace or something
[08:21] <shadowbroker> but none of the hotkeys for switching spaces are working for me
[08:21] <Meerkat> shadowbroker, try ctrl+alt+ arrow keys
[08:21] <shadowbroker> i have no idea where all of my stuff went O.o
[08:21] <shadowbroker> tried that
[08:21] <shadowbroker> nothing happens. i checked the settings and there is only 1 desktop
[08:22] <Aquablue1704> @lord: Installation went fine -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7282162/ <- I'll try to install something via Muon now.
[08:22] <shadowbroker> im on 14.04, if that matters
[08:22] <tsimpson> you probably pressed Win+Tab, try Win+Shift+Tab to go back to the previous activity
[08:22] <shadowbroker> i've confirmed through ps aux that my applications are still running
[08:22] <shadowbroker> tsimpson: tried that too :(
[08:23] <Aquablue1704> Ha! It worked! It actually worked! I can install apps like usual via Muon once again.
[08:23] <shadowbroker> tsimpson: OH!
[08:23] <shadowbroker> im not sure if the shortcut is broken
[08:23] <shadowbroker> but i found the activity tab
[08:23] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: Good to hear :)
[08:23] <shadowbroker> and there are multiple there
[08:23] <shadowbroker> one of which is called "Desktop"
[08:23] <shadowbroker> the other is called "New Activity"
[08:24] <Aquablue1704> Thx a bunch lord and val for the support you guys gave me. I really appreciate it.
[08:24] <shadowbroker> i have no idea what i hit to create the new one, but win+shift+tab does *not* work
[08:24] <valorie> right, those are standard, shadowbroker
[08:24] <shadowbroker> the shortcuts dont work though?
[08:24] <valorie> Aquablue1704: good to hear you are underway again
[08:24] <valorie> the meta key obviously did....
[08:25] <shadowbroker> apparently i managed to create two new activities without realizing it... and switching to one of them :/
[08:25] <valorie> you can see the standard key combos in systemsettings
[08:25] <shadowbroker> but i cant seem to toggle between them
[08:25] <Aquablue1704> Kk guys, I have to go buy some meat. It's egg hunting weekend here in Germany. I'll be back in about one hour. Thx again for all the help!
[08:25] <valorie> and some of those you can turn off or change
[08:26] <FlameReaper-PC> Right, apparently there's one TINY package that stopped from updating, I should've suspected that earlier when I've seen recommendations to look for errors in /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log
[08:26] <shadowbroker> valorie: which section? i cant seem to find it
[08:27] <FlameReaper-PC> It's update-manager-kde.., wait, does the command line UI of the do-release-upgrade show what packages it's going to remove?
[08:27] <valorie> up top, common appearance
[08:27] <valorie> then shortcuts and gestures
[08:28] <valorie> FlameReaper-PC: at some point it will, yes
[08:28] <FlameReaper-PC> ok
[08:28] <FlameReaper-PC> but removing 132 packages is a lot
[08:28] <shadowbroker> hm. i dont see anything on all three lists pertaining to activities....
[08:29] <shadowbroker> aaaah found it
[08:29] <shadowbroker> global -> select component
[08:29] <shadowbroker> apparently i hit meta + Q
[08:29] <shadowbroker> while typing XP
[08:30] <shadowbroker> well thanks for the help. i was about to freak out :P gotta sleep now that that is all taken care of
[08:32] <lordievader> !pm | Aquablue1704
[08:32] <lordievader> Aquablue1704: I don't use Quassel, can't say.
[08:57] <dhq> hey guys i am still stuggling on a crappy resolution after upgrade to 14.04 i tried playing with xrandr
[08:57] <dhq> please help
[09:00] <lordievader> dhq: Did you try the link I gave you?
[09:00] <dhq> yes
[09:01] <lordievader> dhq: And that didn't work?
[09:01] <dhq> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[09:01] <dhq> on 13.10 i have been using 1920x1080 resolution
[09:02] <lordievader> dhq: Where did you get that error, what command?
[09:03] <dhq> xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1920x1080_60.00
[09:05] <lordievader> dhq: I guess the settings for that mode are incorrect (invalid parameter)
[09:05] <dhq> xrandr --newmode "1920x1080_60.00"  173.00  1920 2048 2248 2576  1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
[09:06] <dhq> this command executed fine
[09:06] <dhq> the next one is a problem
[09:06] <lordievader> dhq: That it executed fine does not mean the settings are correct.
[09:06] <dhq> lordievader: so what do i do ?
[09:08] <lordievader> dhq: Verify with the cvt commandthat the parameters are correct.
[09:11] <dhq> i did that
[09:11] <dhq> Modeline "1920x1080_60.00"  173.00  1920 2048 2248 2576  1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
[09:12] <dhq> lordievader: i am confused
[09:13] <lordievader> dhq: Refresh rate is supported?
[09:13] <naftilos76> hi, i just saw that ruby 1.8 was deleted from the repos. Does anybody have any clue how i can install ruby 1.8.7 in 14.04?
[09:13] <dhq> lordievader: how do i check that
[09:14] <lordievader> dhq: It is probably listed in the manual of your monitor.
[09:14] <dhq> mine is a tv and it does support
[09:17] <lordievader> dhq: Hmm, odd. This might help you, be sure to read it fully before executing things: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=114933
[09:17] <dhq> ok will do
[09:18] <dhq> thanks :)
[09:24] <dhq> lordievader:  I tried the command with scale the screen
[09:24] <dhq> it works but he screen appeares stretched
[09:24] <lordievader> dhq: Did you do the --fb first?
[09:25] <lordievader> See the screenshot that is posted.
[09:30] <dhq> lordievader: the half the image appears on the laptop screen
[09:32] <lordievader> dhq: Are you talking about the screenshot of the post or your own display?
[09:32] <dhq> my own
[09:32] <lordievader> You only did the --fb command?
[09:32] <dhq> i tried fb
[09:33] <dhq> then i did the scale
[09:34] <fcidraes> hi all, is there a guide to how to remaster ubuntu to kubuntu? the way kubuntu "is done"
[09:36] <lordievader> Hmm, just a thought. It might be that the correct driver is not loaded. dhq Could you give me the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA"
[09:36] <dhq> VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G84M [GeForce 8600M GT] (rev a1)
[09:36] <dhq>         Subsystem: Dell Device 022e
[09:36] <dhq>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[09:37] <lordievader> dhq: That is the correct driver. Can you set the full-hd resolution in nvidia-xconfig?
[09:37] <lordievader> Or however the utility is called these days.
[09:38] <celtha> i have problems wit resolution on intel i5-4670 too
[09:40] <dhq> lordievader: no i used to be able to
[09:42] <lordievader> dhq: Does it error?
[09:42] <dhq> no error it just acts funny
[09:44] <lordievader> dhq: define acts funny.
[09:44] <dhq> lordievader: should i download the binary from the nvidia site ?
[09:45] <lordievader> dhq: What, why?
[09:45] <dhq> and install it to my system to have the latest driver
[09:46] <lordievader> dhq: I wouldn't do that.
[09:48] <dhq> lordievader: so what do i do
[09:49] <lordievader> dhq: Honestly, I'm starting to run out of ideas.
[09:50] <lordievader> dhq: What resolution are you currently on?
[09:50] <dhq> 1360x768
[09:51] <dhq> on a 42" inch monitor
[09:52] <lordievader> Did the nvidia config utility show 1920x1080?
[09:52] <dhq> before it did
[09:52] <dhq> now the max is 1360x768
[09:54] <dhq> lordievader: i am gonna try building the new driver
[09:55] <dhq> lets see if it help
[09:55] <lordievader> Hope so.
[09:55] <dhq> /quit
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:56] <tatanka14972>  hi
[10:56] <lordievader> o/
[10:56] <tatanka14972> i need solucion for gimp for kubuntu 14.04
[10:57] <lordievader> tatanka14972: What is the problem?
[10:57] <tatanka14972> elimina kde window manager all instalacion krita or gimp
[10:59] <lordievader> !ve
[11:00] <tatanka14972> all installation gimp or krita say: "elimination kde manager, kde desktop and kde workspace, but i need this kde
[11:01] <tatanka14972> all installation gimp or krita say: "elimination kde manager, kde desktop and kde workspace". But, i need all KDE desktop app
[11:01] <lordievader> !spain
[11:01] <lordievader> tatanka14972: That is a very cryptic error message.
[11:03] <tatanka14972> exist solution??
[11:03] <tatanka14972> this message show when instalation. no error
[11:04] <lordievader> tatanka14972: How are you trying to install it?
[11:04] <tatanka14972> center soft muon
[11:05] <tatanka14972> for center soft muon discover
[11:05] <lordievader> tatanka14972: Ok, what does apt say about it? In a terminal run: sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get install gimp
[11:07] <tatanka14972> but this only install gimp 2.8 and. i dont now if this install killing my desktop kde
[11:08] <tatanka14972> lordievader i know for console install gimp
[11:09] <lordievader> tatanka14972: I'm sorry, what?
[11:09] <tatanka14972> but, i afraid to harm my kde
[11:11] <lordievader> tatanka14972: Installing gimp doesn't do that. It will probably pull in some GTK deps but that is the worst it does.
[11:12] <tatanka14972> lordievader, install the console ignores warning hurt my kde desktop and change without warning
[11:13] <tatanka14972> lordievader, these insurance
[11:15] <hkuieagle> my kde looks inconsistent after upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04, here is a screenshot:  http://snag.gy/PvGTL.jpg
[11:19] <hkuieagle_> my kde looks inconsistent after upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04, here is a screenshot:  http://snag.gy/PvGTL.jpg
[11:19] <lordievader> tatanka14972: I really have no idea what you are talking about.
[11:20] <tatanka14972> lordievader look http://snag.gy/7bAXY.jpg
[11:21] <lordievader> tatanka14972: Could you pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install gimp" (don't remove those packages)
[11:21] <lordievader> !paste | tatanka14972
[11:23] <tatanka14972> ubottu thanks
[11:23] <hkuieagle_> When I login as a guest, everything looks normal, seems like it's caused by some configurations. But it's no use to even if I delete .kde directory
[11:24] <hkuieagle_> Anyone has encountered this problem or has some ideas?
[11:24] <tatanka14972> ubottu, all started as bot, no???
[11:25] <tatanka14972> yeah, no problem
[13:23] <Canid> Hi - did something stupid during upgrade and need help
[13:24] <lordievader> Canid: What did you do?
[13:24] <Canid> I didn't leave a note while kubuntu 14.04 upgrade was in progress (thought it would be done by morning)
[13:25] <lordievader> And?
[13:25] <Canid> Family came in - during clean-up phase I gather - and restarted it at a point when the screen went black
[13:25] <Canid> Not it it stuck with the wrong display resolution
[13:25] <lordievader> Canid: So where are you now?
[13:26] <lordievader> Canid: Open a terminal and run: sudo apt-get install -f
[13:26] <Canid> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[13:26] <Canid> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:27] <Canid> (Want the full output?)
[13:28] <lordievader> Canid: Yes, but use some paste service.
[13:28] <lordievader> !paste | Canid
[13:29] <Akishona> hi there
[13:29] <Canid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7283946/
[13:29] <Akishona> this message appeared when i tried to uninstall the package mentioned in the error message: The "openjdk-7-jre" package could not be marked for installation or upgrade:
[13:30] <Akishona> i just upgraded from 1204lts to 14lts
[13:30] <Canid> and xrandr output http://paste.ubuntu.com/7283958/
[13:30] <Akishona> how can i unistall that package ?
[13:30] <Akishona> i received that kind of message when i tried to remove kde im aka kde telepathy
[13:32] <lordievader> Canid: Sounds like a driver is not properly installed, what is the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA"?
[13:33] <Canid> I'll tell you in a second, I'm trying a different driver on the list
[13:34] <Canid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7283987/
[13:35] <Canid> It's listing the correct graphics card
[13:35] <Canid> GeForce GTX 550 Ti is right, if memory serves
[13:36] <lordievader> Canid: But no driver is loaded ;)
[13:37] <lordievader> Installing and loading the driver will probably fix your resolution problem/
[13:40] <Canid> it shows as installed in muon
[13:40] <lordievader> Canid: Remove and reinstall.
[13:41] <Canid> ok
[13:41] <melodie> hi
[13:42] <melodie> I would like to have information related to Kubuntu backports, is there a dedicated chan for their team?
[13:43] <Canid> I can't remove all the dependancies
[13:43] <lordievader> melodie: Ask away. Might very well be that people in here know.
[13:43] <lordievader> Canid: Ehh, what dependencies?
[13:43] <melodie> thanks lordievader
[13:43] <Canid> libcuda1-331 and nvidia-libopencl1-331
[13:43] <melodie> I have installed the kdepim suite in an Openbox branded Ubuntu 12.04.4 then upgraded to backport to get the 4.12 version which seemed better.
[13:44] <lordievader> Canid: Meh, they can go too. With everything gone it should just fall back to nouveau.
[13:44] <melodie> I would like to know if other than the kdepim packages pulled in by the meta package, there is something more I should install to have it all working flawlessly?
[13:44] <Canid> The "libcuda1-331-updates" package could not be marked for installation or upgrade:
[13:45] <melodie> ie: the semantic Nepomuk desktop is not started
[13:45] <lordievader> Canid: Throw another, sudo apt-get install -f
[13:46] <melodie> well the window from the Nepomuk server configuration states it is, while the Mail I am sending to another of my mail addresses as test states it is nont
[13:46] <melodie> not
[13:46] <Canid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7284052/
[13:47] <lordievader> Canid: Wat that after an "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-<some-version>"?
[13:49] <Canid> yes (though I did it from Muon)
[13:50] <Canid> But like I said, it won't let me remove 2 of the 4 packages
[13:50] <lordievader> Canid: I like apt for that, its more verbose.
[13:54] <Canid> E: Unable to locate package libcuda-331-updates
[13:54] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps a apt-get update first.
[13:55] <melodie> kde-minimal does not exist anymore? Has any meta package replaced it?
[13:56] <Canid> Ran apt-get update and tried to remove libcuda again, same output
[13:58] <Canid> nvm
[13:58] <Canid> typo
[13:58] <Canid> it's removing now
[13:58] <Canid> Okay, going to reinstall them
[14:01] <Canid> output of lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA is still the same as before
[14:04] <lordievader> Canid: Did you reboot?
[14:04] <lordievader> Or modprobe the driver?
[14:07] <Canid> I didn't reboot - it didn't rpompt for that
[14:07] <Canid> What is modprobing?
[14:08] <lordievader> Canid: Used for loading drivers: sudo modprobe nvidia
[14:08] <lordievader> Hmm, maybe it is not called that way.
[14:08] <pnunn> Is anyone else having problems with kwin crashing every time they resume their laptop?
[14:09] <Canid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7284199/
[14:09] <lordievader> Well there is your problem, Canid
[14:10] <Canid> Okie... how do I fix it? :D
[14:11] <nightflier> Hi all, just dropping by testing my new 14.04 installation. Blown away that the dpi defaults and scaling are appropriate for a 1080p display. Awesome!
[14:11] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get remove nvidia-331-updates
[14:11] <lordievader> Canid: Try a reboot, in the best case it is simply trying to load the previous install.
[14:11] <DarthFrog> sudo apt-get install nvidia-331
[14:12] <lordievader> DarthFrog: I think he has just done so.
[14:12] <Canid> I did sudo apt-get install nvidia-331-updates    but otherwise yes
[14:12] <Canid> Ok, restarting - I'll be back
[14:13] <DarthFrog> I've never found the nvidia-xxx-updates to be worth the hassle.
[14:19] <Canid> still the same output from modprobe nvidia
[14:22] <lordievader> Hmm, perhaps a purge -> reboot -> install works?
[14:24] <Canid> Can you be a bit more explicit with the instruction? *Canid is only a Linux Grasshopper*
[14:26] <lordievader> Canid: apt-get purge nvidia-<version> &&reboot&&apt-get install nvidia-<version?
[14:26] <lordievader> ?=>
[14:26] <bjrohan> I was on here briefly about 12 hours ago, but didn't have time to work through the help. When I now use Muon Update Manager, it lists a LOT of programs to update, and when I say install updates, it says it is waiting for the config file, and doesn't go anywhere
[14:26] <bjrohan> suggestions
[14:27] <Canid> Ok
[14:27] <shaikadzari> Hi everyone
[14:28] <Canid> restarting
[14:28] <shaikadzari> Just made the upgrade to 14.04, not being a fan of lightdm, I'm checking the alternative
[14:29] <melodie> hi shaikadzari
[14:29] <shaikadzari> KDM seems to be retired
[14:29] <shaikadzari> Was checking SDDM
[14:29] <melodie> what is it that you don't like in lightdm? the new look of lightdm?
[14:29] <shaikadzari> any opinion?
[14:29] <melodie> not very nice looking, might be improved in the future?
[14:30] <shaikadzari> I don't like the look and feel. Also, using 2 screen with different resolution
[14:30] <melodie> shaikadzari opinion when I will have booted a 14.04 in a few minutes
[14:30] <shaikadzari> the login box is wrong
[14:30] <melodie> shaikadzari do you need the login screen? If not you could boot directly to the desktop
[14:30] <melodie> yes, it feels weird
[14:30] <yofel> there's a more simply layout for lightdm that you can switch to in the settings
[14:30] <yofel> *simple
[14:31] <shaikadzari> I prefer to enter a password. I'm using encryptd home
[14:31] <yofel> kdm, while still supposed to work, doesn't get much testing
[14:31] <melodie> yofel say?
[14:31] <shaikadzari> Also, my laptop is resolution is 3200x1800
[14:31] <melodie> and what about consolekit for authentication isn't that here anymore?
[14:31] <shaikadzari> login box is very small :)
[14:32] <yofel> consolekit is gone, it's logind now
[14:32] <melodie> yofel how can I check if my session is active?
[14:32] <shaikadzari> I may try to buidl this : https://github.com/sddm/sddm
[14:32] <melodie> loginctl is the answer :p
[14:33] <yofel> good to know ^^
[14:34] <melodie> loginctl session-status <ID>
[14:34] <melodie> " loginctl list-sessions " gives the ID
[14:35] <melodie> among else
[14:35] <melodie> loginctl --help is very full
[14:35] <melodie> shaikadzari when using another login manager you will need to check if you have an active session, this is why I was fiddling with loginctl which I didn't know about until yofel told me about logind
[14:36] <melodie> because if your session is not active, there are things you won't be able to do, not having the autorisations
[14:36] <melodie> it can be accessing to internal drives, to usb drives or else
[14:37] <shaikadzari> Hum, I'm confused. Should it not be the job of SDDM to do that ?
[14:40] <melodie> shaikadzari this depends how well or bad it is configured
[14:41] <melodie> I have tested slim and nodm in Precise and I met with this issue, not active session, no access to other internal drives (other distros besides the one in use)
[14:41] <yofel> sddm should have proper logind support as it's rather new, so I would believe it'll handle it fine
[14:41] <melodie> yofel is it packaged for Trusty?
[14:41] <yofel> no
[14:41] <melodie> yofel and do you know if that could depend of the pam authentication modules?
[14:42] <yofel> there's RFP in debian and a needs-packaging bug on launchpad. But so far nobody took it up
[14:42] <melodie> slim in Archlinux has a pam module and I use Slim with no issue, but not in Ubuntu Precise
[14:42] <Canid> lordievader: The purge & reboot worked - screen came back normal...
[14:43] <Canid> ...then nvidia-331-updates broke it again
[14:43] <Canid> so I purged and rebooted again
[14:43] <DarthFrog> so don't install the -updates version.
[14:43] <Canid> and this time tried nvidia-331 (no updates)
[14:43] <Canid> and it's booted properly
[14:43] <Canid> BUT
[14:44] <Canid> lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA         shows the driver in use as nouveau
[14:44] <DarthFrog> Run "sudo nvidia-xconfig".
[14:44] <Canid> even though driver management says it's using nvidia-331
[14:44] <Canid> ok
[14:44] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[14:45] <silv3r_m00n> i first installed ubuntu and then installed kubuntu-desktop from apt, now how do i disable gnome related things ?
[14:45] <Canid> sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found
[14:46] <melodie> silv3r_m00n you might have a hard time, although with some patience and luck...
[14:46] <melodie> silv3r_m00n I have done a lot of distro customization since the last years, and I would not have proceeded that way
[14:47] <silv3r_m00n> melodie: it was wrong to do it like that, isnt it ?
[14:47] <melodie> not wrong, just you have used the difficult way
[14:47] <silv3r_m00n> melodie: i would be careful next time, but i have been continuing this installation for years now
[14:47] <melodie> you have to fire Synaptic and filter "gnome", then remove the gnome components, but you might break the install
[14:47] <lordievader> Canid: What happens when you try to modprobe it, same error?
[14:48] <Canid> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[14:48] <lordievader> Canid: Did you purge it again?
[14:48] <silv3r_m00n> melodie: i dont want to remove gnome, i would rather keep it, just want to disable gnome things that might creep behind kde
[14:48] <melodie> silv3r_m00n what about installing Kubuntu and upgrading, or install Trusty server if Kubuntu Trusty is not yet available, then build on it?
[14:48] <yofel> you can't modprobe nvidia while nouveau is loaded btw.
[14:48] <yofel> Canid: what does 'dkms status' say?
[14:48] <lordievader> yofel: Ah, didn't know that.
[14:48] <Canid> I purged - installed w. updates, purged, installed without updates - haven't purged again
[14:49] <silv3r_m00n> melodie: i already have lot of things on this machine, fresh install would be costly
[14:49] <melodie> silv3r_m00n you mean gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-keyring, and I don't know what other gnome stuff ? Install htop, start htop in console and look what gnome processes are running?
[14:49] <silv3r_m00n> i just noticed that few icons pop in the taskbar area that are specific to gnome
[14:49] <lordievader> Canid: So the non-updates should be installed?
[14:49] <silv3r_m00n> melodie: yeah may be those, let me check
[14:49] <melodie> silv3r_m00n for icons, there is a simple way
[14:49] <Canid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7284419/
[14:50] <melodie> you create a folder having for name "applications" in /home/you/.local/share
[14:50] <silv3r_m00n> melodie: i got this, http://pastie.org/9093485
[14:50] <Canid> lordievader: yes. And they are selected in the driver manager
[14:50] <yofel> hm, not good. all lines should look like the vboxhost one
[14:50] <melodie> you copy the desktop file related to icons from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications (copy as user)
[14:50] <melodie> and in the user side you add a line in the files such as this:
[14:51] <yofel> Canid: does 'sudo dkms autoinstall' do anything?
[14:51] <Canid> I'm not sure how much of a problem it is at this point though... I mean the display is correct. I'm just concerned that it will effect my brother's use of Blender (3D rendering software)
[14:51] <melodie> Hidden=true
[14:51] <melodie> no more annoyed
[14:51] <lordievader> Canid: It will, 3d isn't one of the strengths of nouveau
[14:52] <Canid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7284441/
 melodie: i got this, http://pastie.org/9093485
[14:52] <lordievader> Canid: Can you install those headers ;)
[14:52] <melodie> silv3r_m00n you can find to what package each belongs to, ie:
[14:53] <melodie> silv3r_m00n "dpkg -S gdm-simple-slave"
[14:53] <melodie> will display a list, in which you should find the name of the package
[14:53] <Canid> E: Package 'linux-headers-3.8.0-29-generic' has no installation candidate
[14:53] <yofel> Canid: what release are you on?
[14:54] <melodie> silv3r_m00n "at-spi2-registryd" is probably a file from the ati-spi package, not sure if you can remove it safely, you have to try and see what it would pull out
[14:55] <melodie> and same for goa-daemon : "dpkg -S goa-daemon" will give you information
[14:55] <Canid> 14.04  ... that's how this whole problem got started, with a bad upgrade
[14:55] <silv3r_m00n> melodie: i think i would leave it
[14:55] <yofel> ok, 3.8 was the raring kernel I believe, which you won't find anymore
[14:55] <silv3r_m00n> sounds too complex
[14:55] <yofel> Canid: please make sure 'linux-image-generic' is installed
[14:55] <yofel> linux-headers-generic too while at it
[15:00] <melodie> silv3r_m00n you can type the command lines and paste them to pastebin, I might be able to help you
[15:01] <melodie> I mean paste the output
[15:01] <Canid> restarting after linux-image-generic      headers failed though
[15:03] <yofel> uhm, headers failing isn't good...
[15:03] <lordievader> Wonder why the headers failed.
[15:04] <melodie> do you have a version number which mismatches?
[15:11] <Canid> DKMS: install completed.
[15:11] <Canid> OKay... what now?
[15:12] <Canid> dkms status shows nvidia-304, 304.117, 3.13.0-24-generic, x86_64: installed
[15:12] <Canid> but lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA
[15:12] <Canid> still says the kernel driver in use is nouveau
[15:21] <Canid1> It says I just left the room... but I'm still here...
[15:22] <Canid1> lordievader: any more suggestions? It's still using nouveau as the driver
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Canid1, try sudo lshw -C video , look for configuration:
[15:24] <Canid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7284666/
[15:27] <BluesKaj> Canid, ok that cpnfirms it. Which nvidia gpu do you have ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> confirms
[15:28] <Canid> The one it says in the pastebin .... GeForce GTX 550 Ti
[15:29] <BluesKaj> right
[15:31] <lordievader> Canid: Have you restarted after the dkms thing?
[15:32] <Canid> Nope. I'll reboot again... here goes
[15:34] <Mekzholan> Hi, I have with 14.04 a very annoying bug in firefox and couldn't find anyone else with it: typing in a input field of a web page every few keys (inkl. arrow keys!) are replaced by some letters. E.g. typing "kubuntu" could end up as "kurfbuntr"...
[15:34] <Mekzholan> => Does anyone else have such a problem? Does a bug tracker entry exist?
[15:36] <Canid> driver is still nouveau
[15:36] <Mekzholan> Oh, and right now firefox doesn't react anymore :(
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Canid, that gpu should be able to run the 331 driveras it shows here http://www.geforce.com/drivers.  Run sudo apt-get install nvidia-331
[15:38] <Canid> BluesKaj: I had the same problem with he 331 drivers... that's why I tried 304 (last time I tried to get the drivers working for blender, the old version worked, but not the new one)
[15:38] <lordievader> Canid: Really strange, I don't know what the problem could be.
[15:39] <BluesKaj> on 14.04?
[15:39] <lordievader> After installing the headers have you reinstalled the driver?
[15:39] <Canid> But my Kubuntu 14.04 upgrade broke my driver config
[15:39] <Canid> Nope... I'll try that now
[15:39] <Canid> I'll purge again
[15:39] <lordievader> Canid: Just to be safe, purge, reboot, install
[15:48] <PasNox> Hi, i have upgraded from saucy to trusty, but i have bug problems during the upgrade. after tweaking a bit i hd something working. I can see i have kde 4.13, but kde-workspace and kde-window-manager are marked 4.11 ... is it normal ?
[15:49] <PasNox> looking into packages, ii can see a lot of 4.11 installed packages, and 4.13 ones..
[15:52] <PasNox> is kde-workspace and kde-window-manager still packages for kde sc 4.13 ? can i uninstall them safety ?
[15:52] <Canid> no luck - still on the nouveau driver
[15:53] <lordievader> Canid: Too bad, I'm out of ideas... :(
[15:53] <soee> PasNox: it is part of KDE
[15:54] <soee> hi lordievader
[15:54] <PasNox> soee: ok, thanks
[15:55] <PasNox> soee: what is your kde-workspace installed package version ?
[15:56] <soee> PasNox: 4.11.9-ubuntu6
[15:56] <soee> *8
[15:56] <PasNox> ah still not 4.13, strange xD
[15:56] <PasNox> so all is ok for me.
[15:56] <PasNox> thanks
[15:57] <Canid> lordievader: I really appreciate the help - at least my screen resolution is fixed!
[15:57] <lordievader> Hey soee
[15:57] <soee> PasNox: you want to activate propriety drivers ?
[15:57] <Canid> I just hope it won't effect blender too much... but I'll leave it for now then
[15:58] <FReaper-PC> And after a few hours passed, goodbye Saucy, hello Trusty. :)
[15:58] <soee> :)
[15:58] <FReaper-PC> Thanks everyone for the tips and help.
[15:58] <PasNox> soee: no, i already have them ;)
[15:58] <soee> PasNox: ye ssorry it was to Canid
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Canid, edit this file by adding nouveau to the bottom  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf . it will blacklist the nouveau driver and the nvidia driver should install successfully after reboot.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> oops he left , that's good , need to s
[16:01] <BluesKaj> correct
[16:03] <claydoh> PasNox: not every songe kde bit saw updates to to 4.13, so what you see for kde-workspace is actually correct. They don't push out the whole kit and kaboodle for every new release now, just what they have updated
[16:04] <PasNox> claydoh: ah ok! thanks for the informations
[16:05] <claydoh> still confusing though :)
[16:09] <PasNox> anyboday having working flashplugin-nonfree with trusty 64bits ?
[16:09] <FReaper-PC> anyone using and reenabled the kubuntu backports ppa?
[16:10] <FReaper-PC> I'd like to update right away :)
[16:12] <PasNox> i have activated it - no problems
[16:12] <PasNox> but i'm having libegl1-mesa upgrade problems, it conflict with kde-workspace / kde-window-manager
[16:12] <PasNox> but that's xorg edger ppa -
[16:17] <soee> PasNox: if you are using chromium  browser try peppee flash
[16:17] <soee> *pepper
[16:18] <PasNox> yep i just see that - thanks
[16:18] <soee> also i do not recomment to use xorg edger ppa
[16:18] <rvdv> Using phpmyadmin I see an error about mcrypt not being loaded ... I have the package installed. Seems this bug already is there since 13.10 ... due to some site saying i needed to put mcrypt.so as extensions in php.ini ... apache is now complaining about wanting the ssl module ...
[16:18] <soee> rvdv: yes because of license
[16:18] <rvdv> But i do not want ssl
[16:19] <rvdv> ?? soee.. you have more info about that?
[16:19] <soee> rvdv: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19446679/mcrypt-not-present-after-ubuntu-upgrade-to-13-10
[16:19] <soee> create the symbolic link etc. and it shoudl work
[16:22] <rvdv> soee: still get an error "Cannot find module ssl"
[16:22] <rvdv> symlink seemd already being there
[16:24] <rvdv> a2query -m ssl says the ssl module is disabled
[16:33] <HarryRSole> I'm a long time Linux user but I just started using Kubuntu and the mail client is not easy for me to use. Like opening an attachment in Kmail, I'm stumped, can someone help?
[16:35] <HarryRSole> I don't see any icons or anything to click on to open the attachment
[16:38] <HarryRSole> I suppose that it's just something that I automatic should know, right
[16:40] <HarryRSole> Hello
[16:41] <BluesKaj> HarryRSole,, is this workplace pc?
[16:41] <HarryRSole> No, it's my wife's pc.
[16:44] <HarryRSole> I just installed Kubuntu 14.4 and I was trying to get everything set up for her. Then she brings the computer to me asking how to open an attachment and I didn't see anything obvious.
[16:44] <HarryRSole> Actually I looked high and low and it's not obvious to me at all.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> kmail has somebugs so I don't use it, mostly to do with the akonadi server...personally use thunderbird and I know it opens attachments
[16:48] <HarryRSole> She's always used Thunderbird and liked it fine, although I was look hard at kmail and kontact more for the functionality of being a personal organizer.
[16:51] <HarryRSole> I checked the box to leave messages on the server and it pulled everything off the server and in turn she lost everything off of her phone. KOpps,,,,Ks*^t,,,she's pissed!
[16:55] <shaikadzari> Hey everyone, how can I disable or stop baloo ?
[16:56] <shaikadzari> apt-get remove baloo does not seem to be a good idae :D
[16:57] <tatanka14972> hi please what is kubuntu chat in spanish?
[16:57] <tatanka14972> IRC chat kubuntu in spanish??
[16:59] <shaikadzari> maybe looking here : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SpanishTeam
[17:00] <shaikadzari> I don't understand spanish so I can't say if this page is helpful or not...
[17:00] <tatanka14972> spanish for this chat IRC
[17:00] <OerHeks> !es
[17:01] <tatanka14972> i dont remember #kubuntu.es????
[17:01] <OerHeks> nice, ubottu with ubuntu factoids...
[17:01] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:01] <tatanka14972> ok #kubuntu-es
[17:02] <tatanka14972> nice thanks
[17:02] <shaikadzari> Any suggestions for my question above?
[17:02] <aantonic> hello
[17:03] <aantonic> can anyone help me with installing falsh in Kubuntu 14.04?
[17:04] <aantonic> hello anybody home?
[17:04] <shaikadzari> I'm here
[17:05] <shaikadzari> you mean flash?
[17:05] <aantonic> yeah adobe flash plugin, how to install
[17:05] <aantonic> with tar or some other way
[17:05] <shaikadzari> apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:06] <shaikadzari> should get the job done
[17:06] <tatanka14972> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:06] <aantonic> oh ok thankx, how about if i need to update it later
[17:06] <shaikadzari> The package will update automatically
[17:07] <shaikadzari> using muon updater or apt-get
[17:07] <shaikadzari> no need to do it by hand
[17:07] <tatanka14972> canal kubuntu in spanish??
[17:07] <aantonic> thanx
[17:07] <shaikadzari> you're welcome
[17:08] <tatanka14972> shaikadzari please, canal kubuntu spanish??
[17:09] <shaikadzari> hum, sorry, I'm a simple user like you
[17:09] <shaikadzari> Do you have any issue? Can you try to ask your question here?
[17:12] <lordievader> tatanka14972: You where already given: #ubuntu-es
[17:13] <shaikadzari> ok, to answer my own question : echo 'Indexing-Enabled=false' >> $HOME/.kde4/share/config/baloofilerc
[17:13] <shaikadzari> kill baloo
[17:14] <shaikadzari> seems to work
[17:15] <apss> Hi...
[17:15] <apss> A u ok
[17:18] <tatanka14972> lordievader yeah i have #ubuntu-es
[17:18] <tatanka14972> thanks
[17:55] <mfilipe> what is the package to install network-manager in kde4?
[18:01] <mfilipe> plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[18:01] <mfilipe> :)
[18:21] <skreech_> mfilipe: thanks :)
[18:21] <mfilipe> ;)
[18:52] <melodie> I've tried Kdepim 4.13 in Ubuntu 14.4 just now, unfortunately it seems to provide "Create new groups" but no entry to add addresses to groups created
[18:52] <melodie> not found
[18:53] <melodie> in Kaddressbook (if someone has a clue? In the version 4.12 from backports / Ubuntu 12.04 the "create groups" button was greyed)
[19:13] <Guest11064> hi all, what does it mean when a keyboard and mouse stops working at login screen of a fresh install of Kubuntu 13.10?
[19:39] <surfz^> hey all, i installed Kubnutu 14.04 by mistake
[19:39] <surfz^> i guess i thought it was the main distro they were showcasing on the landing page of Kubuntu.org
[19:39] <surfz^> i meant to download and install 13.10
[19:40] <surfz^> i'd like to keep 14.04, how stable is it?
[19:45] <chachan> surfz^: how does it look so far? :p
[19:45] <surfz^> chachan: it's pretty good, smooth and fast
[19:45] <surfz^> i have my essential applications running, no hickups yet
[19:46] <surfz^> hopefully it stays that way :)
[19:46] <chachan> surfz^: then have fun :)
[19:53] <cjwelborn> I am so confused, and pissed at the same time. I did a release upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04, it wrecked my Apache setup (due to Python3.4 being the default), but thats okay I can fix it. What really sucks is my laptop is very slow. Delays when starting programs, delays between keyboard/mouse activity.
[19:54] <cjwelborn> I think baloo is doing it
[19:54] <roney_> cjwelborn, I was having the same problems
[19:54] <cjwelborn> Is baloo something I can disable? I don't know anything about it really. I think nepumok (spelling?) didn't have this problem.
[19:55] <roney_> disabled baloo everything went back to normal
[19:55] <roney_> you can't actually disable it
[19:55] <cjwelborn> roney_: did you uninstall/remove baloo, or disable it through other means?
[19:55] <roney_> cjwelborn, I added my home folder to the places I don't it to index
[19:55] <roney_> made the trick for me
[19:56] <roney_> I don't want it to index*
[19:56] <cjwelborn> roney_: i see, that would probably help me because my home folder is huge. I'm gonna look into it.
[19:56] <roney_> good luck
[20:15] <cjwelborn> roney_: thanks man, I read up on baloo, and adding ~/ to the ignored list. It kinda stops baloo in it's tracks, which is exactly what I needed. It worked well for me. I just rebooted, and there is no more crazy memory usage happening. What were they thinking with that? Geez..
[20:16] <roney_> cjwelborn, I share your feelings ...
[20:17] <andy123> and so do I. It didnt use much memory or CPU for me, but the disk I/O was WAY too big.
[20:19] <andy123> sudo iotop shows that
[20:21] <cjwelborn> hmm.. I just installed iotop. I didn't know about that one. Could come in handy in the future. Baloo was using more and more memory, everything was way too slow and Chrome would crash with a 'Not enough memory to load page" error. It sucked.
[20:22] <cjwelborn> So it made searching for answers and fixing my apache problem very frustrating. Problem solved though, thank god.
[20:23] <cjwelborn> I have 4GB of RAM, not that great, but surely enough to run Kubuntu under normal circumstances.
[20:24] <andy123> I had similar problems when I was compiling OpenFOAM in parallel in my home folder. it got slower and slower
[20:25] <Etriaph> Anyone having an issue in 14.04 where the icon set  you chose to use doesn't take the next time you login?
[20:25] <Etriaph> I'm using Compass as an icon set, and when I login it defaults to the default icons
[20:25] <Etriaph> I can switch it back, but it's annoying
[20:25] <lordievader> cjwelborn: Sysstat is also nice for keeping a look on what your system is doing.
[20:26] <cjwelborn> lordievader: ::looking at sysstat:: , thanks for the tip.
[21:16] <dougl> I had a usable cups config in 2 clicks on my 14.04 install
[21:21] <pez_> hi
[21:22] <Guest19864> how much space is needed to upgreade from 12.04 to 14.04?
[21:23] <Guest19864> i have a 10G partition (and a separate /home)
[21:24] <valorie> Guest19864: space really isn't an issue
[21:25] <valorie> if you have enough room for 12.04, you have enough room
[21:25] <Guest19864> but it is
[21:25] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades/Kubuntu/12.04LTS
[21:25] <Guest19864> distro update says it needs another 13.8 G space
[21:25] <valorie> !
[21:26] <valorie> where are you seeing this error message?
[21:27] <valorie> and describe exactly what you did
[21:27] <andy123> my root partition is 13G. 10G may only be enough, when you need few additional packages
[21:28] <Guest19864> after upgrade tool has started and before the package changes window
[21:28] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Running inside KDE 4.13.0 on Ubuntu 14.04, Trusty Tahr powered by Linux 3.13.0-24-generic, CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II P960 Quad-Core Processor at 800-1800/1800 MHz, RAM: 5045/5712 MB, Storage: 424/528 GB, 212 procs, 25.48h up
[21:29] <valorie> is mine
[21:31] <valorie> I guess I have a lot of space, and have never run into this issue
[21:31] <valorie> I hope someone who has dealt with small HD space will speak up
[21:31] <Guest19864> i see
[21:31] <Guest19864> thanks for the help
[21:32] <valorie> well, I didn't help much
[21:32] <valorie> i hope someone else can
[21:32] <Guest19864> at least you tried :)
[21:36] <Guest19864> tx
[21:36] <Guest19864> bye
[22:25] <alesan> hi, how can I start the upgrade to 14.04 manually?
[22:27] <melodie> alesan simple
[22:27] <melodie> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
[22:28] <melodie> with images! :D
[22:28] <alesan> it says: unable to get exclusive lock
[22:28] <alesan> when I select the upgrade option from the muon
[22:28] <alesan> melodie, I do not have gnome
[22:29] <melodie> neither do I
[22:29] <alesan> so why is the link you gave me relevant?
[22:29] <melodie> alesan type in the console:
[22:29] <alesan> ok
[22:29] <melodie> update-manager -d
[22:30] <melodie> alesan because whatever desktop you have, you can have update-manager installed, provided it is an ubuntu
[22:30] <melodie> so you can figure out how to start update-manager
[22:30] <alesan> The program 'update-manager' is currently not installed. bla bla
[22:31] <melodie> alesan do you know how to install it?
[22:31] <alesan> I am not sure I want to install it let's see the dependancies
[22:31] <melodie> alesan you don't care about the depends, you can always remove them later
[22:31] <alesan> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:31] <alesan> E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
[22:31] <melodie> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[22:32] <alesan> the same problem I was experiencing before
[22:32] <melodie> do you have Synaptic opened?
[22:32] <alesan> no I do not even have it installed
[22:32] <melodie> if not: remove /var/cache:apt/archives/lock
[22:32] <melodie> sudo rm if not: remove /var/cache:apt/archives/lock
[22:32] <melodie> sudo rm /var/cache:apt/archives/lock
[22:32] <melodie> and you are good to go
[22:32] <melodie> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[22:33] <melodie> I had a : in the middle, not good
[22:33] <melodie> who has put up the version of Ubuntu that you have?
[22:35] <alesan> fuser is telling me that "/usr/bin/python /tmp/ubuntu-release-upgrader-l1av41/trusty --mode=desktop --frontend=DistUpgradeViewKDE" is holding the lock
[22:35] <melodie> alesan are you good, did you remove the lock?
[22:35] <alesan> no, as there is a process that still has it open
[22:35] <alesan> I kiled that process and now the lock's gone
[22:35] <melodie> good
[22:35] <alesan> let's see if muon works now
[22:35] <melodie> what is muon ?
[22:36] <alket> software manager, install, remove, update etc.
[22:36] <melodie> don't start too many processes if you want to upgrade easily
[22:36] <melodie> why don't you install from console?
[22:36] <melodie> sudo apt-get install update-manager
[22:36] <alesan> melodie, you are on #kubuntu and you... do not know what is muon?
[22:36] <melodie> simple and faster
[22:36] <melodie> alesan I had to ask questions about kdepim, I'm not a kde user
[22:36] <melodie> I use Openbox for all needs
[22:37] <melodie> and Openbox goes along well with Lxde, with Gnome and with KDE as well
[22:37] <melodie> nice friendly versatile window manager
[22:37] <valorie> muon will update
[22:37] <valorie> you don't need update manager
[22:38] <valorie> of course you can always update from the cli as well
[22:38] <melodie> hi valorie :)
[22:38] <valorie> hi melodie
[22:38] <melodie> I didn't know you were a KDE user :)
[22:38] <valorie> oh yes, for many years
[22:38] <valorie> over 10 I guess
[22:38] <melodie> I always manage, as long as there is a console/konsole/terminal :D
[22:38] <melodie> ok :)
[22:38] <valorie> sure, that's faster
[22:39] <valorie> but it's great that people have easy gui ways to do things
[22:39] <melodie> ValicekB I have a story about that
[22:39] <alesan> guys - maybe you do not understand that apt-get was giving me a E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:39] <valorie> yes, I understand
[22:39] <valorie> usually one can just wait that out
[22:39] <valorie> probably more healthy than killing the process, etc.
[22:39] <melodie> I was a newbie, just a few months using a computer and linux boxes and I had Ubuntu Hoary in the hands since a few months, when I met my boy-friend who was an advanced user.
[22:40] <melodie> he was completely lost in the gnome menus and stuff of the desktop
[22:40] <alket> valorie: I agree
[22:40] <melodie> I finally felt completely pitiful and hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 for him. XD
[22:41] <melodie> so that he'd be more comfortable (which I was not in consoles at that time)
[22:41] <valorie> alesan: www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04 gives you some possibilities, depending on from what you are upgrading
[22:42] <melodie> valorie at that time that felt very funny, as a newbie I could manage my way in the desktop.. him had to have a console.
[22:43] <valorie> this is why the gui is important
[22:43] <valorie> if we want more users
[22:45] <melodie> valorie and very conscious of that, because my clients are very end users
[22:45] <valorie> alesan: did that help?
[22:45] <melodie> I was sticking here hoping for a miracle with the kdepim suite, but I don't find happiness with it either
[22:46] <valorie> miracle?
[22:46] <melodie> I have tried several versions from it up to the 4.13
[22:46] <valorie> what difficulty are you having, melodie?
[22:46] <melodie> a gui app which allows using addressbook with categories to send mails to small groups of people interested to attend to some events
[22:46] <valorie> yes
[22:47] <melodie> something to really replace fully and reliably Outlook Express on the desktop of that man who is a client and a friend at same time
[22:48] <valorie> good idea, yes
[22:48] <valorie> you say you don't find happiness -- what is the difficulty?
[22:48] <melodie> I have seen "create new group" in version 4.12 installed from backports in 12.04, but the button was grayed, so I have started Ubuntu Trusty which I had in a vbox and there installed the kdepim suite,
[22:48] <melodie> I am explaining just now
[22:48] <valorie> ok
[22:49] <melodie> in the 4.13 the button was not grayd, but once the category created it does not appear anywhere: no way to create categories where you can easily put inside a bunch of contacts imported from elsewhere
[22:49] <valorie> hmmm
[22:50] <valorie> sounds like a definite bug
[22:50] <valorie> I suggest asking in #kontact
[22:50] <melodie> the only use I have found to address the current problem, is that kaddressbook has been the only program able to import then convert a file coming from "contacts" from w7, and exported there to csv
[22:50] <valorie> unfortunately this is Easter weekend in Europe, so it may be very slow
[22:50] <melodie> valorie perhaps tomorrow then or other days
[22:50] <valorie> right
[22:51] <melodie> it's midnight here and I have also battled with the Evolution groupware
[22:51] <valorie> but this is where you'll find the developers
[22:51] <melodie> other issues there
[22:51] <melodie> I am too tired now :)
[22:51] <melodie> battle lasts since several days
[22:51] <valorie> here we simply package it, and afaik none of our team is involved with PIM development
[22:51] <valorie> also you might look in bugs.kde.org and see if this has been reported
[22:52] <valorie> and add your information
[22:52] <melodie> you information is good because I didn't know about the #kontact chan, so I keep it in mind
[22:52] <valorie> great!
[22:52] <melodie> sure
[22:52] <melodie> I just come back from a bug report at gnome, I will but not all in a raw, this is quite tiring :D
[22:52] <valorie> it can be, yes
[22:53] <valorie> but really useful input for the devels
[22:53] <melodie> less tiring to put the guy back to a windows in virtualbox ...
[22:53] <melodie> XD
[22:53] <valorie> and built-in testing base from those who report the bug
[22:53] <melodie> valorie hopefully useful, hopefully it leads some day to improvements
[22:53] <valorie> I don't know win at all anymore
[22:53] <valorie> I would be lost
[22:54] <valorie> and I don't want to spend the time to learn it again
[22:54] <melodie> well the OS is crummy and comes with apps that work well (when the basis does not fail)
[22:54] <melodie> I spend the less time possible in any Windows OS
[22:54] <melodie> this is a pain to me
[22:55] <melodie> valorie it has been nice talking with you. I will wish you a good evening and here will call it a night for me. :)
[22:55] <melodie> see you! and thanks for your pointer.
[22:57] <Etriaph> valorie: Are you a Kubuntu user or do you contribute to Kubuntu?
[22:57] <valorie> both
[22:58] <Etriaph> Then I want to thank you :)
[22:58] <valorie> I've been a user for many years, although I can't recall how long
[22:58] <valorie> started contributing a few years ago, and love the team
[22:58] <Etriaph> I've been using KDE since 0.92
[22:58] <valorie> you are welcome!
[22:58] <valorie> wow!
[22:59] <valorie> I was using KDE from the 3.x sometime
[22:59] <Etriaph> I switched to just Enlightenment or WindowMaker (I switched back and forth) for a while to
[22:59] <valorie> now very much involved in KDE as well
[22:59] <Etriaph> Just because my hardware wasn't great.
[22:59] <Etriaph> Plasma Desktop is the smartest move they ever made.
[22:59] <valorie> I've tried other desktops, but come back to KDE within the day
[23:00] <valorie> and the community is home
[23:00] <Etriaph> I played with the latest GNOME, just because I want to give it an honest shot, but I get frustrated within 30 minutes
[23:00] <valorie> Etriaph: can we take this to offtopic?
[23:00] <valorie> #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:00] <Etriaph> Ah, sure :)
[23:13] <Danny> hello
[23:14] <valorie> how can we help ya Danny-gone
[23:22] <KRocco> Hello
[23:26] <ziew> hi, how to enable java with chromium? (java is installed and it works with firefox)
[23:27] <rocco> im still on K-12.04!!!!
[23:27] <rocco> reaaly need the update??
[23:27] <rocco> really*
[23:30] <bprompt> ziew:     maybe about:plugins ?
[23:30] <bprompt> rocco:     do you ?
[23:31] <ziew> bprompt: there is no java listed there
[23:31] <rocco> im happy with 12.04, is not perfect but works bprompt
[23:31] <bprompt> rocco:   so am I =)
[23:31] <rocco> i just update KDE
[23:31] <rocco> 4.12.3
[23:31] <rocco> 4.13 is not around...
[23:32] <bprompt> hmmm right... I did install 14.04 with kde 4.12.97    and I didn't see much difference between that and 4.08   and one app I use didn't go so....I saw no need to stick with it
[23:33] <valorie> rocco: www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04
[23:33] <rocco> thanks valorie
[23:33] <rocco> im too lazy to upgrade..
[23:33] <valorie> it does take awhile, for sure
[23:33] <rocco> yeah..
[23:34] <valorie> easier than installing anew, though
[23:34] <rocco> right
[23:34] <bprompt> ziew:     hmm    iirc  14.04 uses oracle's java 8, which is downloadable from oracle -> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/install-oracle-java-8-in-ubuntu-via-ppa.html
[23:34] <valorie> my son says the opposite; installing is quick and he'd rather do that
[23:34] <rocco> he is young Xd
[23:34] <valorie> ziew: what isn't working in chromium?
[23:34] <ziew> java
[23:34] <valorie> that's what I use, and I haven't seen anyproblems
[23:35] <ziew> do i have to instal java-8 instead -7 at 14.04?
[23:35] <bprompt> hmmm well, for me I'd rather do anew.... the .iso is 1gb so no biggie
[23:35] <valorie> what specifically isn't working though?
[23:35] <bprompt> ziew:     afaik 14.04 requires 8
[23:35] <ziew> chromium do not see java
[23:35] <ziew> java works with firefox
[23:36] <valorie> to do *what* specifically?
[23:36] <olimpic> \server irc.irc-hispano.org
[23:36] <valorie> olimpic: you'll need to do that command in your irc client
[23:36] <valorie> right now, you're in freenode IRC
[23:37] <bprompt> in irc is usually  -> /server .....
[23:38] <ziew> bprompt: how to install java8 on 14.04?
[23:38] <valorie> bprompt: does that *change* servers, or just add another?
[23:38] <rocco> brb..
[23:38] <bprompt> valorie:    depends on the client, on say xchat  iirc it just loads another on another tab
[23:39] <valorie> cool, I've never tried that
[23:39] <valorie> I set it up in the konversation options to join 3 servers
[23:39] <bprompt> on other irc clients like mirc, it simply quits the current and loads the new one, in mirc you'd have to do ... I think is /mserver   or so
[23:40] <valorie> I'll try it next time i want to chat on oftc, maybe
[23:41] <valorie> also, I usually see server/channel like: irc://irc.freenode.net/kubuntu
[23:47] <ziew> i've installed java8 on 14.04. - how to enable it in chromium?