[00:22] <protozoa> i'm having some trouble with a nexus 7 (FLO)
[00:23] <protozoa> its unlocked, booted into bootloader, and ran $ udbflash --bootstrap=true
[00:23] <protozoa> it went through the whole flashing process, showed the ubuntu logo spinning with a progress bar and all of that
[00:23] <protozoa> and then it reboots and is stuck at the google screen
[00:24] <protozoa> i've tried it a couple times now... anyone have a direction they can point me in?
[04:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I connect let’s say Note 3 or ZR1 to a USB keyboard?
[13:12] <pa> hi
[13:12] <pa> question: can i install and run apks on ubuntu touch on a nexus 10, for example?
[13:35] <pa> ok i understand my question is not exactly a "popular" question. But i guess it would be useful for ubuntu to allow such thing. Even for ubuntu lovers the lack of apps might be an obstacle for the adoption of this OS
[13:52] <ogra_> no, there is no java on ubuntu touch by default
[13:52] <ogra_> ah, he is gone
[14:11] <TyrfingMjolnir> java sucks balls
[14:12] <TyrfingMjolnir> Why would anyone run java on arm?
[15:03] <Aki-Thinkpad> TyrfingMjolnir, because java makes it like you have done a lot of work whenever you write code.
[15:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> At the price og speedbumps?
[15:04] <Aki-Thinkpad> TyrfingMjolnir, Running a virtual machine on phone hardware; what could be the issue?
[15:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> slow
[15:05] <Aki-Thinkpad> TyrfingMjolnir, oh now you are making things up. And java has always been known for beautiful ui's
[15:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> But I m kinda from the other side; opposite point of view, I don’t even run hyper-v or vmware, because there is SmartOS
[15:05] <TyrfingMjolnir> Java has the ugliest UIs I have ever seen
[15:06] <TyrfingMjolnir> If you want to do UI, find a designer and do AngularJS
[15:12] <utouch> hello, is there any official announcement made by the Ubuntu Touch team for the new version of Ubuntu Touch based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[15:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> TyrfingMjolnir, not sure if you noticed, but I was being facetious. java is disgusting
[15:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> utouch, ubuntu touch, or the sdk, or what?
[15:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> NDK or ubuntu touch
[15:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> ndk?
[15:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> nokia development kit?
[15:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> The android stuff that is not java
[15:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> ah :P
[15:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> Native Developer Kit?
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> Looking to buy a phone
[15:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> I actually never got into android development
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is Note 3 good for Ubuntu Phone?
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> Me neither
[15:19] <TyrfingMjolnir> I do NodeJS, python, OS X, and iOS
[15:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> when I found out way back that it was just a java front end, and linux was far away from my grasps... meh
[15:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have had all the iPhones apart from 3
[15:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> But 5 is totally retarded when it comes to battery life
[15:22] <utouch> softpedia has published an article about a new ubuntu touch version, but i can find the official annoncement. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Releases-Ubuntu-Touch-Based-on-Ubuntu-14-04-LTS-438400.shtml
[15:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> I wish I could run debian XFCE with the ubuntu wiggles
[15:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> or touch or whatever it’s called
[15:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> Do you know if there will be a debian touch?
[15:26] <utouch> any idea guys?
[15:33] <Thorondor> Hi Guys, just installed a dual boot ubuntu 14.04. I want to push forward to have it working for my use case at least and my 2 first  "showstoppers to solve" are lack of usable messenger and mail client. In my opinion, the cleanest solution for that is to get empathy  and evolution working here.
[15:33] <Thorondor> Anyone knows What's the current status of that approach?
[15:42] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, for ubuntu touch? or ubuntu desktop?
[15:42] <Thorondor> Ubuntu touch
[15:42] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, yah; you want to refer to the ubuntu-core apps
[15:42] <Thorondor> is ubuntu-core a kind of package?
[15:43] <Elleo> Thorondor: iirc various people are working on porting Trojita as an email client
[15:43] <Elleo> Thorondor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/EmailClient
[15:43] <Aki-Thinkpad> mmmm, try a google search. Otherwise, you may have to setup a development client
[15:43] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, ah yes, trojita was the name
[15:43] <Aki-Thinkpad> After seeing the screenshots; it looks really nice
[15:44] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, are you interested in app development, or just running the thing?
[15:44] <Thorondor> Ah, interesting...
[15:45] <Thorondor> Well, I'm trying it out at the moment. But the idea is to try to develop what's missing at least for my use model
[15:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, wow great; developing with the ubuntu sdk is a ton of fun
[15:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, you should come join us in #ubuntu-app-devel
[15:46] <Thorondor> But, isn't the sdk focused on web apps?
[15:46] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, nope.
[15:47] <Thorondor> Oh, sound good then
[15:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, you mean like html5? not at all
[15:47] <Thorondor> I want a native approach
[15:47] <Thorondor> I'll have to take a look at it
[15:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, i mean ubuntu phone can do them, but ubuntu sdk is all about native
[15:47] <Elleo> Thorondor: on the messaging side of things UT is already using telepathy under the hood for calls, SMS, MMS, etc. so I'd guess the plan is to hook into that for other services, not sure exactly what people are planning on that front though
[15:47] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, ever used qtcreator?
[15:48] <Thorondor> Not really, I was more of the gtk and wxWidgets world in the past, but shouldn't be a problem
[15:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> Thorondor, wow, so you actually have quite a bit of experience under your belt
[15:49] <Thorondor> I would like to have more, but yes, I have a bit at least...
[15:49] <Thorondor> be right back
[15:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> qtcreator is really nice; if you ever did gtk development, I am sure you can appreciate the designer in wt
[15:49] <dobey> IM really should be built into the existing messaging app, not a separate app
[15:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, but there are so many protocols...
[15:50] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: that's what telepathy is designed to handle
[15:50] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: that's irrelevant
[15:50] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, I don't know how they are doing it, but I think a scopes approach may be neat
[15:51] <dobey> scopes are not meant for interactive tasks
[15:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, telepathy; i take it that is the app in question?
[15:51] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: telepathy abstracts you away from the nitty gritty details of each protocol, you just write a telepathy plugin for whatever protocol you're interested in and then apps based around telepathy can make use of it
[15:51] <dobey> they're for finding things
[15:51] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: telepathy is the framework used by the messaging app
[15:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, neato :)
[15:51] <Aki-Thinkpad> although all I really care is about irc
[15:51] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: it's what empathy also uses (as well as lots of other clients)
[15:52] <dobey> all you really need for messaging, is the code to associate contacts, and the plug-ins for telepathy and ubuntu-online-accounts, to add your own account and do the protocol work
[15:52] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, mmmm, empathy needs work... their irc client is rubbish.
[15:52] <Aki-Thinkpad> or rather
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> their irc plugin
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> :P
[15:53] <dobey> irc would probably be better as a separate app from messaging
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, pah; you and your double standards :P
[15:53] <dobey> group chats are a completely different model from private chats
[15:53] <Elleo> IRC doesn't quite fit into the IM paradigm as neatly as most
[15:53] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: not at all
[15:53] <Elleo> there are a few QML IRC clients on MeeGo and Sailfish, you might consider porting one of those
[15:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, Dont try to deny it!! IM ON TO YOU!!1
[15:54] <dobey> whatever
[15:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> :P
[15:54] <dobey> none of my standards are double; they are all however, exceptionally high
[15:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> Elleo, the irc apps are usually surprisingly large
[15:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, I highly doublet it.
[15:55] <dobey> i don't own any doublets
[15:55] <Aki-Thinkpad> Anyways, my app is gonna be a first of its kind
[15:55] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: you wouldn't need to touch most of it if you were porting from MeeGo or Sailfish though, just modify the QML components to use Ubuntu's components
[15:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> ubuntu will be like; Android, eat your heart out.
[15:56] <dobey> i hope not
[15:56] <Elleo> Aki-Thinkpad: e.g. https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish
[15:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> Introducing the first gnu-APL based logic calculator, employing formal symbolic logic, for a phone ever!
[15:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> exclusively on ubuntu-touch ;)
[15:57] <Aki-Thinkpad> anywhoo
[16:25] <Thorondor> ok I'm back
[16:26] <Thorondor> So, coming back to the conversation, if the current messaging solution is using telepathy, then I should be able to have google talk and SIP protocols working out of the box?
[16:28] <Elleo> probably not straight out of the box at present, but I imagine the amount of alteration required would be fairly minimal
[16:28] <Elleo> as dobey mentioned it'd need a plugin written for ubuntu-online-accounts
[16:28] <Thorondor> I wonder why they didn't just create an alternative interface for empathy on the touch version
[16:29] <Elleo> well empathy is GTK based, so it'd be a complete rewrite
[16:29] <Thorondor> Ahh... mmm
[16:30] <Thorondor> so on touch it's all QT based?
[16:30] <Elleo> and since all the important stuff in empathy is actually done by telepathy then there's little difference between a Qt rewrite of empathy and a new Qt client using telepathy
[16:30] <dobey> Thorondor: because there are a million things to make a working phone platform, and IM isn't extremely high on the list
[16:30] <Elleo> Thorondor: either Qt or HTML5
[16:30] <Thorondor> Elleo: got it, makes sense now
[16:32] <Thorondor> dobey: I know, I was just wondering why I see some different Messaging apps instead of ports of the ones being used on the desktop. But Elleo clarified it.
[16:39] <Elleo> popey: thanks for the speedy approval on the libre.fm app :)
[16:41] <popey> np
[16:42] <Thorondor> I looked at the ubuntu touch core apps launchpad website, and there's no generig messaging app included. The closest is a Facebook app. Am I missing something?
[16:42] <Thorondor> generic*
[16:43] <Thorondor> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone-coreapps
[16:45] <bacteu> Thorondor: facebook is probably buying canonical too
[16:48] <popey> Thorondor: correct, we don't have a generic IM client
[16:48] <Thorondor> bacteu: come on...
[16:48] <popey> Thorondor: and we discontinued development on the twitter and facebook apps.
[16:49] <Thorondor> popey: I saw "friends on the System apps
[16:49] <Thorondor> this seems to be a messaging effort?
[16:50] <popey> well, depends on your definition of messaging
[16:50] <popey> friends is what was previously gwibber, a "social media" client
[16:50] <popey> so facebook, twitter etc
[16:50] <Thorondor> Ahh that's different
[16:50] <popey> I consider "IM" to be msn, jabber, google chat etc
[16:50] <Thorondor> Yes, that's what I meant
[16:51] <popey> right, we dont have one of them
[16:51] <popey> feel free to write one! :D
[16:51] <Thorondor> :D
[16:51] <popey> app confinement will make it less useful right now as it will get suspended when not foregrounded
[16:51] <popey> so you wont see IMs until you open the app
[16:51] <Thorondor> And there's nothing already ongoing for that purpose?
[16:52] <popey> not that I'm aware of.
[16:52] <Thorondor> ok
[16:53] <Thorondor> What do you mean by app confinments? You mean that some apps get on blobking condition until they are on focus?
[16:53] <Thorondor> blocking*
[16:53] <popey> apps by default don't run when not focussed
[16:53] <Elleo> popey: I wasn't sure if there might be some plan to expand the messaging app, since that's also telepathy based it would seem like a natural entry point for that sort of thing?
[16:53] <popey> yeah, would make sense
[16:53] <popey> as would sip in the dialler app
[16:53] <Elleo> yeah
[16:54] <Elleo> I don't actually know anything concrete in that direction though, it'd just seem the most natural approach to me
[16:54] <Thorondor> popey: Oh really?  That's a surprise for me... I thought it should behave like the desktop
[16:58] <Thorondor> Wow, this looks like a showstopper...
[17:03] <Thorondor> I'm reading something on ubuntu touch app confinement, and looks like you can inform what kind of handling your app needs. It would make sense to say "This app could not be suspended"
[17:04] <bacteu> can't you just copy android's approach for that sort of thing?
[17:07] <Elleo> Thorondor: there was some debate on the mailinglist a while back about that sort of thing, I'm not sure if there's been any plans made to do things differently though
[17:08] <Elleo> Thorondor: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04736.html <-- that's the thread, not sure if there's anything more recent
[17:10] <Elleo> Thorondor: in some cases there are services being created (like media-hub for playing music, videos, etc.) for common use cases where something needs to continue in the background
[17:13] <Thorondor> Elleo: Yes, I'm sure it has to be designed in a usable way. It doesn't make sense to have every app suspended while in background
[17:13] <Thorondor> There are policies and you register the appropriate policies for your app
[17:13] <Thorondor> If I'm getting it right, it makes sense
[17:16] <Elleo> Thorondor: yep, unfortunately (from the perspective of some apps) there isn't a policy for "please don't suspend me" at the moment though
[18:11] <dobey> Thorondor: eh? the SMS app is the generic messaging app
[18:13] <Thorondor> dobey: Makes sense to have SMS together with the other IM protocols
[18:14] <Thorondor> dobey: Do you know the exact project name for this app?
[18:14] <darthlukan> Hello! I have an issue with Wifi on my Nexus 7 flo device on the latest Trusty (the only version of ubuntu touch I've tried on this device).  I have no options for connecting to wifi when in the WiFi settings menu.
[18:14] <Thorondor> I found the phone app in the Core set, but it says it's obsolete
[18:14] <dobey> Thorondor: no, the title of the app on the phone is "Messaging" though
[18:14] <darthlukan> When I enter adb shell and then run "ifconfig", only the loopback device is listed
[18:15] <Thorondor> dobey: Originally the phone-app handled dialer, messaging and contacts management
[18:16] <Thorondor> Got it: https://launchpad.net/messaging-app
[18:16] <dobey> yes that
[18:32] <miseria> "vamos por el mundo, odiando y rechazando, aspectos que creemos despreciable de los demas y de uno mismo" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[18:35] <darthlukan> nevermind, got it up and running :)
[18:45] <Thorondor> No sign of telepathy on messaging-app
[18:46] <Thorondor> It's a tiny app by the way
[19:28] <Lotuspsychje> Does touch got updated on trusty release?
[19:48] <Guest005> I am a rookie developer.
[19:50] <Guest005> I would like to learn how to install a Ubuntu Touch on my device but there is not on a list.
[19:50] <Guest005> like LG G2.
[20:00] <bacteu> Guest005: step 1, buy a nexus device
[20:02] <Guest37661> hello
[20:02] <Guest005> I do not want to waste my money
[20:02] <Guest37661> i will download ubuntu for android
[20:03] <bacteu> ubuntu for android is a dead project is it not?
[20:03] <Guest005> dunno
[20:03] <Guest37661> real?
[20:49] <dobey> Guest37661: do you mean "ubuntu for android" or "ubuntu touch, which runs on android devices" exactly?
[21:59] <Hounge> Anyone get touch working on the moto razr m jellybean yet?
[22:03] <rafaeldefazio> Hello everybody
[22:03] <rafaeldefazio> how are you?
[22:05] <rafaeldefazio> I need some help
[22:09] <rafaeldefazio> ...
[23:01] <Scifig> Hi, could anyone please point me to some instructions on how to install Ubuntu Touch preinstalled i386 image onto an x86 tablet? I tried both extracting the tar file to USB drive and dd copy "system-i386+generic_x86.img" to USB drive. I am still unable to boot using that USB drive.
[23:02] <Scifig> Boot is stuck with a blinking cursor. I am trying to bring an unused ExoPC tablet to life. Appreciate any help.