[09:51] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Ah, I didn't realize it always shows. Yeah, we should look at hiding that
[18:50] <OvenWerk1> From another bug report the BT icon is at least supposed to "dim" or "grey" when turned off.
[19:26] <OvenWerk1> df
[19:26] <OvenWerk1> oops...
[20:28] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Ok, so the fault is not entirely ours then?
[20:29] <zequence> (or, mine - I added that stuff pretty late, out of worry that we wouldn't have bluethooths support)
[20:43] <zequence> This release is not really well off right now. Let's hope we can make 14.04.1 a better one
[20:51] <OvenWerk1> zequence: So far it is not bad. I do have a wish list :)
[20:51] <OvenWerk1> It would be nice to have two half backgrounds for use with dual monitors for example.
[20:52] <OvenWerk1> But a lot of stuff is out of our hands too. We are still dealing with the fall out of the gtk 2 -> 3 thing.
[20:53] <OvenWerk1> This looks to be a long term thing and there is also an underlying move to qt in some places as well.
[20:54] <OvenWerk1> though for us that will make less of a difference. Ardour is gtk,,, gimp etc. We have the qt (and kde) libs anyway.
[20:57] <zequence> I don't think we should be worrying too much about the graphical libs used. Just to make sure anything works
[20:57] <zequence> i tend to use Gnome myself, but I don't really want to push one or the other on our users. What we should focus on is multimedia content production
[20:58] <OvenWerk1> Ya, what I am saying is that we can't do much about the desktop itself, but just make sure the apps work. 
[20:58] <zequence> Yep
[20:58] <OvenWerk1> I haven't tried them all, but so far I have had a good experience.
[20:59] <zequence> What I would mostly want to focus on is making us as DE agnostic as possible. 
[20:59] <OvenWerk1> +1
[21:00] <zequence> We should start a discussion soon about the next cycle, and perhaps also the next two years
[21:01] <zequence> I feel we have not been able to deliver a lot to this release, which was my personal hope, which is why I'm devoted to make sure 16.04 becomes a great release instead
[21:01] <OvenWerk1> In the next two years it looks like ubuntu (and Dedian) are going through the switch to systemd. This makes me wonder what is going to happen with MIR or wayland.
[21:02] <zequence> that is an interesting turn :)
[21:02] <OvenWerk1> I hope these things don't directly affect us too much, but it will make worth while to keep 14.04 up to date
[21:03] <zequence> Yes, and it would be good for us to learn how to maintain a release, and also refresh it with updates
[21:03] <zequence> Not just security wise, or fixing bugas
[21:03] <zequence> bugs*
[21:05] <zequence> I'm going to return to an old movie classic for a while. After easter, I really want us to start talking about the future, and what we should do. No, also, since we have an olde developer ( stochastic  ) back with us
[21:06] <zequence> replace no with now :)
[21:06] <OvenWerk1> Ya, he sounds like he has more assets with code than most of us (certainly me anyway)
[21:24] <OvenWerk1> Interesting, It seems pulse works best through jack with 2048 frames.
[21:24] <OvenWerk1> The desktop apps seem to expect the extra latency
[21:26] <OvenWerk1> In videos (where it matters) it seems to be about the best match timing wise.
[21:33] <OvenWerk1> Probably for piping skype into a live situation 512 is about right though. 128 is probably about minimum.