| knome | Unit193, again | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| knome | look at the right/left aligned images when going very narrow | 00:01 |
| Unit193 | Oi, big jump indeed. | 00:02 |
| knome | wondering if i should do some more optimization, but i guess i'll leave that for another day/night | 00:05 |
| knome | Unit193, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme/revision/45 | 00:26 |
| knome | time to go fill some crosswords, then to bed | 00:34 |
| knome | nighty! | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | if you want columns, and you want it to not suck at low resolutions, then use bootstrap | 00:57 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: your tahr is in the wild (hehe) http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/ubuntu-1404-trusty-tahr-lts-has-been.html | 01:53 |
| jphilipz | hi all, i was trying the xubuntu 14.04 and noticed when i disable bluetooth from the panel, it didnt change to a dimmed icon | 02:06 |
| waymon | hi guys sorry for the noob question but i've installed 14.04 and am looking to install the latest dev version. been having trouble finding it | 04:09 |
| holstein | waymon: ? | 04:10 |
| holstein | waymon: you are looking for 14.10? | 04:10 |
| holstein | you'll need to wait a while.. | 04:10 |
| waymon | ooo, yeah, 14.10 would be great | 04:10 |
| holstein | waymon: *will* be great | 04:10 |
| holstein | waymon: its not available yet | 04:10 |
| waymon | i know it's not stable, i just wanna play with it | 04:11 |
| waymon | no dice? | 04:14 |
| holstein | waymon: its not that its not stable, friend.. it literally doesnt exist yet | 04:16 |
| holstein | waymon: if you want the freshest ubuntu code, install 14.04 and update | 04:16 |
| holstein | waymon: if you want newer/relevant, try debian testing | 04:16 |
| waymon | oh okay, i see | 04:17 |
| Unit193 | holstein: Debian unstable or experimental, testing isn't as new as those. | 04:21 |
| holstein | Unit193: i think its unstable i was thinking of | 04:21 |
| holstein | waymon: ^ | 04:21 |
| holstein | i forget that testing isnt the newest... | 04:22 |
| waymon | side question: has anyone tried to install gnunet? | 04:24 |
| holstein | !info gnunet | 04:25 |
| ubottu | gnunet (source: gnunet): secure, trust-based peer-to-peer framework (meta). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.3-7build1 (trusty), package size 2 kB, installed size 47 kB | 04:25 |
| holstein | waymon: should be as easy as "sudo apt-get install gnunet" | 04:25 |
| waymon | you'd think so | 04:25 |
| waymon | it's not the latest version tho | 04:25 |
| waymon | 0.10 is the new shit | 04:25 |
| holstein | !language | 04:27 |
| ubottu | The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList | 04:27 |
| holstein | waymon: you can ask them for the latest version for the operatin system you are using | 04:27 |
| waymon | my bad | 04:27 |
| Unit193 | Debian doesn't have the new version, thus Ubuntu doesn't either (Yes, Ubuntu can get newer versions, and does all the time, but that's not high priority.) | 04:27 |
| holstein | waymon: *buntu typically "freezes" versions, and gets security updates.. rolling releases would get the latest as they come out | 04:28 |
| holstein | you can add ppa's, or build whatever you like | 04:28 |
| waymon | yeah, i'm just trying to figure out where to get the latest gnunet | 04:32 |
| waymon | it has a bunch of dependencies that are super high versions | 04:32 |
| holstein | waymon: ppa | 04:34 |
| holstein | waymon: try ppa, then ask them for a package, or for what you are supposed to do | 04:34 |
| waymon | oooo found this if anyone else is interested https://gnunet.org/content/installing-gnunet-0101-ubuntu-1404 | 04:42 |
| holstein | im ok with the repo version.. | 04:42 |
| Unit193 | I've never used gnunet once in my life. Though, not much of a development question. | 04:43 |
| jphilipz | hi all, just tweeting a number of problems i saw during trying out 14.04 like network links not showing on desktop - http://img.ly/yEij - https://twitter.com/jphilipz/status/457396969363607552 | 06:19 |
| Unit193 | Correct gvfs tools installed? Find them in Thunar alright? | 06:24 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Awwh dang man, you're not in ~ubuntu-backporters! :( | 06:35 |
| Logan_ | Unit193: I feel like backporting is kinda dead | 07:04 |
| Unit193 | Considering they pinned it at 100? Yeah, stuck with stale applications for good. :/ | 07:05 |
| Logan_ | Unit193: having them install automatically would imply that they're supported :P | 07:20 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: I suppose no better way now or in the works? | 07:22 |
| Logan_ | PPAs? | 07:22 |
| Unit193 | I said better. :P | 07:23 |
| elfy | hi Logan_ | 07:23 |
| Logan_ | you need the user to explicitly realize that they are installing unsupported software | 07:23 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Shouldn't you be sleeping, prepping for class? :P | 07:23 |
| Unit193 | Indeed. | 07:23 |
| Logan_ | if we can hack apt to say "this is available, but it's not supported because it's a backport," then I think we have a plan on our hands :) | 07:23 |
| Logan_ | and hey elfy | 07:24 |
| Unit193 | Though, the source should be pretty good, not just some random joe. | 07:24 |
| Logan_ | and no, it's a Friday night, silly | 07:24 |
| Logan_ | I do what all college students do on Friday nights | 07:24 |
| Logan_ | go on IRC | 07:24 |
| Unit193 | :P | 07:24 |
| elfy | lol | 07:24 |
| Logan_ | well, I was invited to a party | 07:24 |
| elfy | Unit193 calls the kettle black - unbelievable :p | 07:24 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Nah, he's just more sane than I am. | 07:25 |
| elfy | :) | 07:25 |
| Logan_ | me? sane? :P | 07:25 |
| Unit193 | elfy: To me, you normally get on at 2am, which is "morning there", but still considered 2am. :P | 07:25 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 07:25 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: I actually remember your TZ, because it's same here. | 07:25 |
| Logan_ | are you in the US? | 07:26 |
| Logan_ | actually, I probably shouldn't bother asking because you're anonymous | 07:26 |
| Logan_ | so clearly you keep your identity private :P | 07:26 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Ohioooooooooo. | 07:26 |
| Logan_ | ah | 07:27 |
| Logan_ | by the way, I didn't mean to offend you if your legal name is in fact "Unit 193" | 07:27 |
| elfy | I'm not anonymous - I really are elfy and forestpiskie | 07:27 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: Hey, even Debian considers me "Unit 193" | 07:27 |
| Unit193 | Logan_: ...Having fun with ubottu now? :P | 07:45 |
| Logan_ | there are some weird factoids that need to be deleted | 07:45 |
| Logan_ | see http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=love | 07:45 |
| Logan_ | run those commands in order, and we should be good :) | 07:47 |
| Logan_ | night all | 07:48 |
| Unit193 | G'night. | 07:48 |
| elfy | night Logan_ | 07:48 |
| elfy | brainwash: morning | 08:14 |
| brainwash | good morning elfy | 08:14 |
| starrats | good morning everyone! | 10:07 |
| knome | Unit193, i just figured out how to link that style with the wordpress gallery. yay! | 10:26 |
| knome | elfy, poke | 10:32 |
| knome | elfy, check out http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/2014/04/18/image-alignment-testing-post/ | 10:32 |
| elfy | what am I looking at that for? | 10:33 |
| knome | resize the screen horizontally | 10:33 |
| knome | and look at the images | 10:33 |
| knome | err, s/screen/window/ | 10:33 |
| elfy | that appears to work :) | 10:34 |
| knome | cool | 10:34 |
| knome | looking to land that stuff soonish | 10:34 |
| knome | i've now figured a miles better way to do it than late yesterday night | 10:35 |
| elfy | :) | 10:35 |
| knome | the editor side still needs working though | 10:35 |
| knome | :| | 10:35 |
| knome | not sure if i'm able to get that completely right, it seems to have some quirks | 10:36 |
| knome | (not showing medium-sized images, while the shortcode defines that, and works on the public facing side) | 10:36 |
| knome | but i guess that's a minor issue | 10:36 |
| elfy | I'd guess that you're guess is better than mine :) | 10:37 |
| knome | *your | 10:38 |
| knome | :P | 10:38 |
| knome | well it is a minor annoyance | 10:38 |
| elfy | :p | 10:38 |
| knome | but there doesn't seem to be much to do about it unless you want to poke the wordpress core... and that's meh | 10:38 |
| knome | and not possible with canonical IS | 10:38 |
| elfy | ... | 10:39 |
| knome | but yeah, i wouldn't do that with my clients' sites either | 10:39 |
| knome | it would break upgrades completely | 10:39 |
| * elfy is looking at rejigging the package testsuites for unicorn | 10:39 | |
| elfy | smaller | 10:39 |
| knome | hehe | 10:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, whatever... fix it. | 12:03 |
| knome | :) | 12:03 |
| bluesabre | gotta know what's broken | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | since it worked for me all the way to release day | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | haven't tested today | 12:04 |
| knome | ;) | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | but I don't see why anything would have changed | 12:04 |
| knome | yeah... we should fix it for "people". | 12:04 |
| knome | but afaik, my suggestion is a working workaround | 12:05 |
| knome | so if you don't happen to be around, i will tell them that | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | but that won't help... since xscreensaver doesn't control suspending | 12:07 |
| knome | if it won't help, they will come back | 12:08 |
| knome | bluesabre, ping, #xubuntu | 12:33 |
| elfy | knome: does adding the guest session stuff to lightdm.conf actually work? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-guest-session.html | 13:31 |
| knome | elfy, yes, but the link you pasted has a better way to do it | 13:31 |
| elfy | ok | 13:31 |
| knome | basically, it does the same thing, outside the xubuntu file | 13:31 |
| elfy | didn't want to spam #xubuntu | 13:31 |
| knome | and is removable as is | 13:31 |
| knome | and since the setting probably covers all flavors anyway... | 13:32 |
| * elfy still has 'what DID they do to lightdm" on his list | 13:32 | |
| knome | heh | 13:32 |
| knome | amigamagic, actually, redirecting to the page elfy noted | 13:33 |
| amigamagic | knome, ok I didn't find that... | 13:34 |
| knome | amigamagic, oh me, that's not working properly | 13:34 |
| knome | >__< | 13:34 |
| amigamagic | what is that doesn't work? | 13:34 |
| knome | works now | 13:34 |
| knome | the redirect, but i fixed it | 13:34 |
| amigamagic | on that page elfy pasted, the method is slightly different... It works on 14.04 ? | 13:35 |
| elfy | amigamagic: those lightdm files are all new to 14.04 | 13:36 |
| knome | amigamagic, it does practically the same thing | 13:36 |
| knome | amigamagic, but instead of editing the xubuntu file, it creates a new one | 13:37 |
| knome | amigamagic, which works, like the xubuntu file, for all flavors | 13:37 |
| knome | amigamagic, also, this means the xubuntu conf file is upgradeable by future xubuntu upgrades without having to worry/ask the user which version they want | 13:37 |
| amigamagic | ok | 13:38 |
| knome | the .d directory works like /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | 13:39 |
| knome | all the files in that are read as if they were in /etc/apt/sources.list | 13:39 |
| knome | in this case, as if they were in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | 13:39 |
| knome | the numbers in the files determine the order they are ran in | 13:39 |
| knome | elfy, ^ | 13:39 |
| amigamagic | why 50 and 60 as numbers? | 13:41 |
| knome | elfy, does that answer some of your questions? | 13:41 |
| * elfy thought as much - but hadn't tracked the info down yet - thanks :) | 13:41 | |
| knome | amigamagic, well, consider you had 1, 2, 3 and wanted to add something between 1 and 2 | 13:41 |
| knome | amigamagic, you would have to rename files 2 and 3 to 3 and 4 | 13:41 |
| amigamagic | ok, I understand, but... 50? | 13:42 |
| knome | well, why not? | 13:42 |
| knome | the bigger the number, the bigger the chance the modification is taking preference | 13:42 |
| amigamagic | so you could make run 49 configuration files before it? | 13:42 |
| knome | yes. | 13:42 |
| knome | practically, yes.. | 13:42 |
| knome | the number itself is irrelevant... | 13:43 |
| amigamagic | ok | 13:43 |
| knome | but from the users point of view, it's better that it is 50 than 20 | 13:43 |
| knome | because if in 14.10, people decided to force guest sessions, and it happened to be 20... | 13:43 |
| knome | it would be a race condition; whichever file had the "bigger" filename | 13:44 |
| knome | 20_xubuntu_enable_guest.conf would take preference | 13:44 |
| knome | while 20_enable_guest.conf would not | 13:44 |
| knome | the developers can't know what files the user has in their directory | 13:44 |
| knome | so they will most probably just add the next incremental number (*10) | 13:44 |
| amigamagic | so, after the number, the precedence it's given to the longer filename? | 13:46 |
| knome | well, the "bigger" when compared... | 13:47 |
| knome | x > aaa | 13:47 |
| amigamagic | ok, so it's a standard sorting method based on the filename | 13:48 |
| knome | yes | 13:48 |
| amigamagic | thanks for the info | 13:49 |
| knome | np | 13:49 |
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| knome | bbl -> | 14:35 |
| Aurvandill | i learned the basics of c++ and now i want to learn how to develop for linux. what is the next step to learn or to do? | 17:29 |
| kajair | 4. i want to resize windows. you should point in the exactly same pixel to resize or close or move | 17:39 |
| kajair | 5. there is not able to connect lubuntu and xubuntu in ssh | 17:39 |
| kajair | 6. double click in titlebar or drag to up wont set to maximize | 17:39 |
| kajair | *6: only drag it to upper side | 17:40 |
| brainwash_ | bug 1310045 | 18:49 |
| ubottu | bug 1310045 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "flicker at login" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310045 | 18:49 |
| brainwash_ | ^ :D | 18:49 |
| brainwash_ | bluesabre: should we merge https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/lightdm-gtk-greeter/zoomed ? I planned to add more resize methods and so on, but lost the interest | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | lol | 18:54 |
| brainwash_ | so we are 1 step ahead :) | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | what exactly does that do? | 19:01 |
| brainwash_ | my branch? | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | yes | 19:03 |
| brainwash_ | it zooms the background AND puts it in the center of the screen | 19:03 |
| brainwash_ | like xfdesktop does | 19:03 |
| brainwash_ | currently the greeter only zooms it | 19:03 |
| brainwash_ | so you see the top part if your background pic does not fit your screen | 19:05 |
| starrats | to that channel | 19:07 |
| brainwash_ | ? | 19:08 |
| starrats | hit the wrong button, lol, sorry | 19:09 |
| brainwash_ | ah ok | 19:09 |
| starrats | was typing in another channel and it must have popped over here | 19:10 |
| 23LAAFBCU | I have a Xubuntu 13.10 install on an old machine that insists on locking the screen after suspend/resume. I've checked settings for xscreensaver and power management, and even removed those packages. I updated to 14.04 and the problem persists. I disabled light-locker, and even removed it as well. I still get a locked screen after resuming. I asked in #xubuntu channel but someone suggested I ask here. Google | 19:16 |
| 23LAAFBCU | was not helpful, too much fodder. | 19:16 |
| 23LAAFBCU | What else could be locking my screen? | 19:17 |
| brainwash_ | how does the lock screen look like? | 19:18 |
| 23LAAFBCU | it looks just like the screen i get if i log out, so lightdm i think | 19:20 |
| brainwash_ | ok, but didn't you remove light-locker already? | 19:21 |
| 23LAAFBCU | bar at the top..computer name on the left top, a few buttons at the top left with session, logoff buttons | 19:21 |
| 23LAAFBCU | yes i tried that out of desperation | 19:21 |
| brainwash_ | and did you relog once after removing it? | 19:22 |
| 23LAAFBCU | removed xfce-power-manager, xscreensaver, and light-locker after making sure they werent set to lock the screen | 19:22 |
| 23LAAFBCU | yes, rebooted | 19:22 |
| brainwash_ | that's odd | 19:23 |
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| 23LAAFBCU | let me try another reboot just to make sure | 19:25 |
| brainwash_ | just to make sure, it's the lightdm lock screen and not the normal login screen, right? | 19:25 |
| 23LAAFBCU | it looked jsut like the screen i see if i logout | 19:25 |
| brainwash_ | so you unlock you user account and get redirected to your running session? | 19:25 |
| brainwash_ | your user account | 19:25 |
| 23LAAFBCU | im using autologin with light dm, there's no prompt when i boot up. Only fater a suspend | 19:26 |
| 23LAAFBCU | after** | 19:26 |
| brainwash_ | does "pgrep light-locker" return any output? | 19:27 |
| 23LAAFBCU | ill check here when it finishes rebooting | 19:27 |
| 23LAAFBCU | im not sure if this is realted but i should mention it....it also doesnt seem to save the state of opened windows..that would be the saved session right? | 19:28 |
| brainwash_ | after you unlock? | 19:28 |
| 23LAAFBCU | yes | 19:29 |
| brainwash_ | this indicates that your running session crashed | 19:29 |
| brainwash_ | so the system returns to the login screen | 19:29 |
| 23LAAFBCU | oh | 19:30 |
| 23LAAFBCU | i see | 19:30 |
| 23LAAFBCU | is there a log i can find info in to confirm this is happening | 19:30 |
| brainwash_ | there are a few, like the general system log file /var/log/syslog | 19:31 |
| brainwash_ | or lightdm related logs in /var7log/lightdm/ | 19:31 |
| brainwash_ | /var/log/lightdm/ | 19:31 |
| 23LAAFBCU | its an old beast of a computer...should probably have died long ago but, it supports s3 and s1 | 19:31 |
| brainwash_ | and X session related ones in ~/.cache/upstart/ | 19:31 |
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| 23LAAFBCU | i think ive looked in syslog, and found nothing that stood out to me | 19:32 |
| brainwash_ | mmh | 19:32 |
| brainwash_ | also check /var/log/pm-suspend.log to get some info about the actual suspend/resume cycle | 19:33 |
| brainwash_ | suspend issues can be an annoyance | 19:34 |
| 23LAAFBCU | yeah....i seem to recall it working properly at first though i cant be sure anymore | 19:36 |
| jphilipz | hi all, i just tried out xubuntu 14.04 and noticed a few things that i wanted to bring to the dev team | 19:37 |
| 23LAAFBCU | it didnt occur to me it could be the session crashing though..at least I have another way to look at the problem now..thank you | 19:38 |
| 23LAAFBCU | I'll see what i can find and get back to you if I have any more info a bit later if youre areound..thanks sir | 19:39 |
| jphilipz | firstly i had noticed that the country i'm living in 'United Arab Emirates' had incorrect time information - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1310065 | 19:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1310065 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "incorrect time information for UAE" [Undecided,New] | 19:43 |
| jphilipz | ubottu: yet thats the first problem i found | 19:45 |
| ubottu | jphilipz: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 19:45 |
| jphilipz | ubottu: glad to know it :) | 19:45 |
| ubottu | jphilipz: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 19:45 |
| knome | Aurvandill, get to know the xfce code. aiui, it's mostly in pure C though. | 19:46 |
| jphilipz | while on the live cd as well as after the installation, the bluetooth icon doesnt go dim after i disable bluetooth - http://img.ly/yEi5 | 19:46 |
| jphilipz | also in the installer, the scrollbars need to be disable for the slide show - http://img.ly/yEiC | 19:48 |
| Aurvandill | knome thx | 19:49 |
| jphilipz | during the slide show i noticed that some headings were smaller than text underneath it - http://t.co/u30Hupb2MZ | 19:50 |
| knome | jphilipz, i'm not sure if the bluetooth icon should dim or not when it's not enabled... but i would check if there is a bug for that, and file if not. it's a wishlist/low level one though | 19:50 |
| knome | jphilipz, the installer scrollbars are known, but we are unable to triage it since many cycles. it's disappeared for most people though, so not a high-priority bug either... what was your installation resolution? | 19:51 |
| jphilipz | knome: what package should i file that under | 19:51 |
| knome | jphilipz, headings, not a bug. | 19:51 |
| knome | jphilipz, indicator-bluetooth | 19:52 |
| jphilipz | knome: not a tech bug, likely a design issue | 19:52 |
| knome | it's a design decision | 19:52 |
| knome | the header text itself isn't very important, but splits the two paragraphs nicely | 19:52 |
| jphilipz | well another design decision i thought i'd bring up was such small icons on the 'ready to go' slide when there is alot of space on the slide - http://t.co/6BTzrqDJ93 | 19:53 |
| jphilipz | well as the heading is 'We need your help!' it being larger might catch peoples attention | 19:54 |
| jphilipz | is there a particular indicator-bluetooth package for xubuntu | 19:55 |
| knome | jphilipz, i rather have smaller icons and plenty of padding that a too packed slide | 19:55 |
| knome | jphilipz, "particular" package? | 19:55 |
| jphilipz | knome: well i landed at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth | 19:56 |
| knome | that's it. | 19:56 |
| jphilipz | and that seems to be for ubuntu | 19:56 |
| knome | xubuntu uses the same package repositories as ubuntu, so every "xubuntu package" is a ubuntu package | 19:56 |
| knome | jphilipz, you can run 'ubuntu-bug indicator-bluetooth' in the terminal, and relevant information is posted to the bug report. | 19:57 |
| jphilipz | knome: i'll give that a shot | 19:58 |
| jphilipz | knome: you asked about my screen size, its 1280x768 | 19:59 |
| knome | jphilipz, can you "me too" bug 986283 and add your resolution as a comment | 20:01 |
| ubottu | bug 986283 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Window too small, scrollbars are displayed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986283 | 20:01 |
| knome | as you see, that bug is filed two years ago and there hasn't been too much activity... | 20:01 |
| jphilipz | knome: i've me too'd | 20:03 |
| knome | tbh, i thought that bug was gone... | 20:04 |
| jphilipz | about the small icons, ye most of them are still recognizable but abiword and gnumeric arent really | 20:06 |
| jphilipz | bumping them up from 16 to 22 will make them easier to see | 20:08 |
| jphilipz | especially as these days, screen are getting bigger and bigger | 20:08 |
| jphilipz | :) | 20:08 |
| knome | screens are bigger, but resolutions usually not | 20:12 |
| knome | so 16px might even be bigger than before... | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | i bet that installer scrollbar issue is related to screen DPI, ie not directly related to resolution | 20:13 |
| knome | ali1234, if you can confirm that, it's a step forward... | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | forcing 96 DPI is pretty much a requirement everywhere | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | jphilipz: do you happen to know the DPI on your monitor? | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | knome: do we have a screenshot of the installer looking "correct" somewhere? | 20:15 |
| jphilipz | ali1234: let me get that for you, have to turn the laptop on again | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | jphilipz: if you could check it in the livecd that would be even better... | 20:17 |
| jphilipz | okay, let me burn the iso to a usb | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | also, did you run the installer from desktop session? | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | "install now" or "try ubuntu" | 20:18 |
| jphilipz | yes from desktop session | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | okay | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | knome: how are the slides done? are they just bitmaps? | 20:19 |
| knome | ali1234, ergh, they are html | 20:19 |
| knome | ali1234, lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | ah, okay then. so that makes DPI issue more likely... | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | is there someway to run that as a "preview" fromt he desktop? | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | ie without having to boot the livecd? | 20:22 |
| knome | ali1234, yep, get the branch, then run ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | thanks | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | yup, works fine here... | 20:25 |
| jphilipz | well about resolutions not getting bigger, w3schools.com has 78% of users above my laptop resolution and on my desktop (1440x900), the 16px icons are similarly as small if not smaller, as i'm farther away from the screen | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | w3fools.com | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | jphilipz: yeah it's not the resolution though, it's the DPI | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | if the DPI is different, elements may grow, causing the scrollbars | 20:26 |
| jphilipz | well the scrollbars were one thing, and the icons were a different thing | 20:26 |
| ali1234 | okay. i didnt read all the log :) | 20:27 |
| jphilipz | where do i go for the dpi | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | xdpyinfo | grep dots | 20:28 |
| jphilipz | forgot to modify grub for my keyboard, need restart again | 20:29 |
| knome | ali1234, is there a way to reproduce the bug with any monitor? | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | xfce has a "DPI override" | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | look at this: http://imagebin.org/306533 | 20:30 |
| knome | ali1234, pumping up the DPI only made the text so big it was outside the visible area | 20:30 |
| jphilipz | 96 | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | okay it isn't DPI then | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | does it happen on every page of the slideshow? | 20:31 |
| knome | when it does, it does | 20:31 |
| jphilipz | every page for me | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | in my screenshot, the text is further down the page | 20:31 |
| knome | ali1234, if i could reproduce, i could look at things to do to make that not happen | 20:32 |
| knome | but since i can't... | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | how about making #slideshow width and height 100% instead of fixed px? | 20:32 |
| jphilipz | knome: you want me to run any command to help your testing | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | i can't reproduce either, at least not without booting up a livecd | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | jphilipz: you could check if it happens with a regular unity iso | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | if it doesn't, we can just steal their CSS :) | 20:33 |
| jphilipz | no it didnt happen when i installed ubuntu 14.04, if i remember correctly | 20:33 |
| knome | jphilipz, bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 20:34 |
| knome | jphilipz, cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 20:34 |
| knome | jphilipz, ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu | 20:34 |
| knome | jphilipz, and tell if the scrollbars are visible now | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | it looks like the test thing never shows scrollbars | 20:34 |
| jphilipz | the slideshow only happens after the installation files have started copying and i've answered all the dialogs | 20:35 |
| knome | jphilipz, no, in your installed system... | 20:35 |
| knome | i think i know what to do to fix that, but i'm not sure how to test if it works.... | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | hmm look at slideshow.conf for ubuntu | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | width:752 height:442 | 20:37 |
| jphilipz | knome: okay let me boot the os then | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | they added 2 pixels to each | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | i wonder why? ;) | 20:37 |
| knome | ali1234, but their css says the same widths. | 20:37 |
| jphilipz | wouldnt it be simpler to disable scrollbars in the window and that would solve it | 20:37 |
| knome | jphilipz, that's what we're doing. but it's not working | 20:38 |
| jphilipz | knome: okay | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | what we really need to do is enable scrollbars on the test app | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | because disabling them there does work | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | and it is masking the problem | 20:39 |
| knome | ali1234, bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/scrollbar-fix-986283 | 20:40 |
| knome | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/scrollbar-fix-986283/revision/628 | 20:40 |
| knome | that looks like something that could very well fix the bug. | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | ah i noticed that difference too :) | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | just saw it... | 20:41 |
| knome | but since i can't reproduce... :) | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | the test app runs inside this Slideshow.py | 20:42 |
| jphilipz | okay i ran the commands and there is scrollbars | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | hmmmm | 20:48 |
| jphilipz | there is no scrollbars, sorry | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | okay, that makes more sense | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | knome: is ubiquity proper Qt now or still Gtk? | 20:49 |
| * knome shrugs | 20:49 | |
| jphilipz | i can run another installation and run any commands if you like | 20:50 |
| xnox | ali1234: ubiquity has two frontens - qt and gtk. xubuntu uses gtk | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | hi xnox. any idea about these scrollbars? | 20:50 |
| knome | jphilipz, since the bug isn't reproducible with the testing script, not sure if that would help much... | 20:51 |
| xnox | ali1234: no idea what you are asking about. | 20:51 |
| knome | bug 986283 | 20:51 |
| ubottu | bug 986283 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Window too small, scrollbars are displayed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/986283 | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | xnox: ubiquity-slideshow web component has scrollbars | 20:51 |
| knome | damn memory, now i'll remember that bug number for a week :| | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | xnox: which frontend does ubuntu use? | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | it should be possibly to instrument gtk_ui.py from real ubiquity and try to reproduce that way | 20:56 |
| xnox | ali1234: is it reproducible in english locale, only only in longer languages - e.g. french like in the bug report? | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | not sure but the bottom comment has a screenshow that is in english | 20:58 |
| knome | tbh, i think my branch linked to the bug should fix the issue. | 20:58 |
| xnox | ali1234: it is related to the default theme, lack of overlay scrollbars, slideshow itself, and the size metrics declared by the slideshow. | 20:58 |
| knome | but somebody should be able to reproduce that bug, then run the same environment with the new branch | 20:58 |
| xnox | ali1234: try tweaking the declared sizes of the slideshow it it's manifest. | 20:58 |
| jphilipz | i filled this bug at xfce after seeing it in xubuntu - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10831 | 20:58 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10831 in general "network link names with %20" [Normal,New] | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | xnox: the problem is we can't reproduce it with the test-slideshow.sh from the slideshow package | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | because it is hardcoded to never show scrollbars | 20:59 |
| knome | xnox, ^ see my comments. this is the first time i hear about this bug in probably two years, and i thought it was already gone... | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | if you google "xubuntu installer" and look at image results there a screenshot supposedly from 13.10 showing this bug :) | 21:00 |
| knome | possibly | 21:00 |
| jphilipz | knome: about the bluetooth icon dimming, i just tried ubuntu and their icon dims | 21:01 |
| xnox | knome: i fix it with ubuntu slideshow every gtk update, every theme update, and every unity update.... | 21:03 |
| knome | xnox, >__< | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | xnox: but how do you test it without rebuilding a full iso? | 21:03 |
| xnox | ali1234: in a live cd, you can modify files in place and restart the installer. | 21:04 |
| xnox | ali1234: also probably easier to do an oem install and keep on restarting oem client config. | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | okay. i'm going to try to make a test harness which is more similar to real ubiquity | 21:04 |
| knome | xnox, i don't think oem installations work for xubuntu... | 21:04 |
| jphilipz | another bug i reported with xfce after trying xubuntu - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10834 | 21:07 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10834 in General "network links not showing on desktop" [Normal,New] | 21:07 |
| knome | jphilipz, yes, we noticed the bug | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | hey at least they show up in plugin-places now | 21:07 |
| jphilipz | knome: both of them | 21:07 |
| knome | hmm, right | 21:07 |
| knome | jphilipz, %20 is space, so it might be normal | 21:08 |
| jphilipz | well if you look at the screenshot, it only happens in thunar | 21:08 |
| jphilipz | was wondering, can you install grub on an extended partition | 21:09 |
| jphilipz | was also wondering why the search for time zones in ubiquity is case sensitive | 21:10 |
| knome | bluesabre, i just filed two new bugs against menulibre. minor, but nonetheless. | 21:11 |
| jphilipz | must be mistaken, it must be just slow | 21:11 |
| jphilipz | does ubiquity time zone search also search for cities? | 21:14 |
| xnox | jphilipz: depends f you are online | 21:14 |
| jphilipz | xnox: i meant at the 'where are you?' page, where i can type in a country but only a few cities that i type in come up | 21:18 |
| jphilipz | those same cities i can click on the map and get but if i search for them, they dont come up | 21:18 |
| jphilipz | as an example, i can click on the city Dubai, but cant search for it | 21:19 |
| jphilipz | also found at the same page that they had wrong time zones for United Arab Emirates and Bahrain - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1310065 | 21:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1310065 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "incorrect time information for UAE" [Undecided,New] | 21:22 |
| jphilipz | knome: bluetooth dim has been filed - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1310101 | 21:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1310101 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "bluetooth icon doesnt dim when disabled in xubuntu 14.04" [Undecided,New] | 21:23 |
| jphilipz | running the ubuntu installer now and no scrollbars | 21:25 |
| jphilipz | after looking at the screenshot some more, its possible the '>>' arrows might be causing it | 21:26 |
| knome | jphilipz, no, that's not it really... | 21:26 |
| knome | jphilipz, it's something out of the "ordinary" | 21:26 |
| jphilipz | knome: quite funny that on the same pc, with the same installer, i get two different behaviours | 21:27 |
| brainwash_ | isn't that blueman's tray icon? or is this indeed indicator-bluetooth? | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | okay i reproduced it | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | but it is tricky | 21:33 |
| knome | jphilipz, well there is a code difference... | 21:38 |
| jphilipz | you mean the html slides | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | how do i push to lp scratch again? | 21:38 |
| knome | scratch? | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | yeah, like private junk repo | 21:39 |
| knome | bzr push lp:~user/+junk/poop | 21:39 |
| knome | ? | 21:39 |
| knome | jphilipz, yep | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | yeah that's it | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | knome: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/scrollbar-issue/revision/642 | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | in real ubiquity the webkit object is put inside a GtkScrolledWindow. i made the test harness do the same thing, and i can make it show scrollbars | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | but only if i make the window bigger and then make it smaller | 21:43 |
| jphilipz | was wondering why none of the ubuntu derivatives put their own name in grub | 21:43 |
| jphilipz | i guess mint is an exception | 21:44 |
| Unit193 | jphilipz: Kubuntu does, but it can break UEFI. | 21:44 |
| Unit193 | Ah, right, derivs, not flavors. | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | same applies to them | 21:44 |
| Unit193 | Sure, but they're in more of a position to fix that. | 21:45 |
| jphilipz | i heavily distro hopping and trying out as many distros as i can on a 500gb hard disk with 10gb per installation and i get to many duplicates | 21:45 |
| jphilipz | yes i see kubuntu in my list :) | 21:45 |
| knome | ali1234, i don't think that's the problem | 21:47 |
| ali1234 | sure it is | 21:48 |
| knome | ali1234, or, well, maybe it can be "fixed" with my branch | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | if ubiquity didn't put it in a scrolled window, there would be no scrollbars | 21:48 |
| knome | ali1234, but being *too small* doesn't happen in the slideshow | 21:48 |
| knome | ali1234, anyway, test my branch with that. | 21:48 |
| xnox | ali1234: ubiquity uses scrolled window, to make sure slideshow doesn't arbitrary expand the installer window into full-screen. | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | the scrollbars triggers randomly if the webkit window is bigger than client area - size of scrollbar | 21:49 |
| jphilipz | all right all, i'm off, it was fun chatting with you all and submitting the bugs, likely wouldnt have submitted them to launchpad if you guys werent here | 21:52 |
| jphilipz | i normally just tweet my bugs and mention the distro | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | knome: your branch doesn't fix it, i can still trigger the scrollbars. it may fix it in real ubiquity of course | 21:53 |
| jphilipz | i had sent in this bug to xfce and it effects xubuntu as well - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10762 | 21:54 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10762 in desktop "thunar devices in reverse order" [Enhancement,New] | 21:54 |
| jphilipz | keep up the great work, as an ex-windows XP user i jumped at lxde and mate but i think my home is with xfce, i look forward to converting soon | 21:56 |
| knome | ali1234, hmph. | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | i don't think my test case is valid tbh | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | it's not 100% reproducable | 22:02 |
| knome | yeah, as i said, i don't think it's exactly the same thing really | 22:02 |
| knome | i see why it can appear to be a valid test, but it really isn't | 22:03 |
| knome | because the window is always the same size | 22:03 |
| knome | that means there seems to be something really weird going on. | 22:03 |
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