[00:01] <knome> Unit193, again
[00:01] <knome> look at the right/left aligned images when going very narrow
[00:02] <Unit193> Oi, big jump indeed.
[00:05] <knome> wondering if i should do some more optimization, but i guess i'll leave that for another day/night
[00:26] <knome> Unit193, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme/revision/45
[00:34] <knome> time to go fill some crosswords, then to bed
[00:34] <knome> nighty!
[00:57] <ali1234> if you want columns, and you want it to not suck at low resolutions, then use bootstrap
[01:53] <pleia2> ochosi: your tahr is in the wild (hehe) http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/ubuntu-1404-trusty-tahr-lts-has-been.html
[02:06] <jphilipz> hi all, i was trying the xubuntu 14.04 and noticed when i disable bluetooth from the panel, it didnt change to a dimmed icon
[04:09] <waymon> hi guys sorry for the noob question but i've installed 14.04 and am looking to install the latest dev version. been having trouble finding it
[04:10] <holstein> waymon: ?
[04:10] <holstein> waymon: you are looking for 14.10?
[04:10] <holstein> you'll need to wait a while..
[04:10] <waymon> ooo, yeah, 14.10 would be great
[04:10] <holstein> waymon: *will* be great
[04:10] <holstein> waymon: its not available yet
[04:11] <waymon> i know it's not stable, i just wanna play with it
[04:14] <waymon> no dice?
[04:16] <holstein> waymon: its not that its not stable, friend.. it literally doesnt exist yet
[04:16] <holstein> waymon: if you want the freshest ubuntu code, install 14.04 and update
[04:16] <holstein> waymon: if you want newer/relevant, try debian testing
[04:17] <waymon> oh okay, i see
[04:21] <Unit193> holstein: Debian unstable or experimental, testing isn't as new as those.
[04:21] <holstein> Unit193: i think its unstable i was thinking of
[04:21] <holstein> waymon: ^
[04:22] <holstein> i forget that testing isnt the newest...
[04:24] <waymon> side question: has anyone tried to install gnunet?
[04:25] <holstein> !info gnunet
[04:25] <holstein> waymon: should be as easy as "sudo apt-get install gnunet"
[04:25] <waymon> you'd think so
[04:25] <waymon> it's not the latest version tho
[04:25] <waymon> 0.10 is the new shit
[04:27] <holstein> !language
[04:27] <holstein> waymon: you can ask them for the latest version for the operatin system you are using
[04:27] <waymon> my bad
[04:27] <Unit193> Debian doesn't have the new version, thus Ubuntu doesn't either (Yes, Ubuntu can get newer versions, and does all the time, but that's not high priority.)
[04:28] <holstein> waymon: *buntu typically "freezes" versions, and gets security updates.. rolling releases would get the latest as they come out
[04:28] <holstein> you can add ppa's, or build whatever you like
[04:32] <waymon> yeah, i'm just trying to figure out where to get the latest gnunet
[04:32] <waymon> it has a bunch of dependencies that are super high versions
[04:34] <holstein> waymon: ppa
[04:34] <holstein> waymon: try ppa, then ask them for a package, or for what you are supposed to do
[04:42] <waymon> oooo found this if anyone else is interested https://gnunet.org/content/installing-gnunet-0101-ubuntu-1404
[04:42] <holstein> im ok with the repo version..
[04:43] <Unit193> I've never used gnunet once in my life.  Though, not much of a development question.
[06:19] <jphilipz> hi all, just tweeting a number of problems i saw during trying out 14.04 like network links not showing on desktop - http://img.ly/yEij - https://twitter.com/jphilipz/status/457396969363607552
[06:24] <Unit193> Correct gvfs tools installed?  Find them in Thunar alright?
[06:35] <Unit193> Logan_: Awwh dang man, you're not in ~ubuntu-backporters! :(
[07:04] <Logan_> Unit193: I feel like backporting is kinda dead
[07:05] <Unit193> Considering they pinned it at 100?  Yeah, stuck with stale applications for good. :/
[07:20] <Logan_> Unit193: having them install automatically would imply that they're supported :P
[07:22] <Unit193> Logan_: I suppose no better way now or in the works?
[07:22] <Logan_> PPAs?
[07:23] <Unit193> I said better. :P
[07:23] <elfy> hi Logan_ 
[07:23] <Logan_> you need the user to explicitly realize that they are installing unsupported software
[07:23] <Unit193> Logan_: Shouldn't you be sleeping, prepping for class? :P
[07:23] <Unit193> Indeed.
[07:23] <Logan_> if we can hack apt to say "this is available, but it's not supported because it's a backport," then I think we have a plan on our hands :)
[07:24] <Logan_> and hey elfy
[07:24] <Unit193> Though, the source should be pretty good, not just some random joe.
[07:24] <Logan_> and no, it's a Friday night, silly
[07:24] <Logan_> I do what all college students do on Friday nights
[07:24] <Logan_> go on IRC
[07:24] <Unit193> :P
[07:24] <elfy> lol
[07:24] <Logan_> well, I was invited to a party
[07:24] <elfy> Unit193 calls the kettle black - unbelievable :p
[07:25] <Unit193> elfy: Nah, he's just more sane than I am.
[07:25] <elfy> :)
[07:25] <Logan_> me? sane? :P
[07:25] <Unit193> elfy: To me, you normally get on at 2am, which is "morning there", but still considered 2am. :P
[07:25] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[07:25] <Unit193> Logan_: I actually remember your TZ, because it's same here.
[07:26] <Logan_> are you in the US?
[07:26] <Logan_> actually, I probably shouldn't bother asking because you're anonymous
[07:26] <Logan_> so clearly you keep your identity private :P
[07:26] <Unit193> Logan_: Ohioooooooooo.
[07:27] <Logan_> ah
[07:27] <Logan_> by the way, I didn't mean to offend you if your legal name is in fact "Unit 193"
[07:27] <elfy> I'm not anonymous - I really are elfy and forestpiskie 
[07:27] <Unit193> Logan_: Hey, even Debian considers me "Unit 193"
[07:45] <Unit193> Logan_: ...Having fun with ubottu now? :P
[07:45] <Logan_> there are some weird factoids that need to be deleted
[07:45] <Logan_> see http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=love
[07:47] <Logan_> run those commands in order, and we should be good :)
[07:48] <Logan_> night all
[07:48] <Unit193> G'night.
[07:48] <elfy> night Logan_ 
[08:14] <elfy> brainwash: morning
[08:14] <brainwash> good morning elfy 
[10:07] <starrats> good morning everyone!
[10:26] <knome> Unit193, i just figured out how to link that style with the wordpress gallery. yay!
[10:32] <knome> elfy, poke
[10:32] <knome> elfy, check out http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/2014/04/18/image-alignment-testing-post/
[10:33] <elfy> what am I looking at that for?
[10:33] <knome> resize the screen horizontally
[10:33] <knome> and look at the images
[10:33] <knome> err, s/screen/window/
[10:34] <elfy> that appears to work :)
[10:34] <knome> cool
[10:34] <knome> looking to land that stuff soonish
[10:35] <knome> i've now figured a miles better way to do it than late yesterday night
[10:35] <elfy> :)
[10:35] <knome> the editor side still needs working though
[10:35] <knome> :|
[10:36] <knome> not sure if i'm able to get that completely right, it seems to have some quirks
[10:36] <knome> (not showing medium-sized images, while the shortcode defines that, and works on the public facing side)
[10:36] <knome> but i guess that's a minor issue
[10:37] <elfy> I'd guess that you're guess is better than mine :)
[10:38] <knome> *your
[10:38] <knome> :P
[10:38] <knome> well it is a minor annoyance
[10:38] <elfy> :p
[10:38] <knome> but there doesn't seem to be much to do about it unless you want to poke the wordpress core... and that's meh
[10:38] <knome> and not possible with canonical IS
[10:39] <elfy> ... 
[10:39] <knome> but yeah, i wouldn't do that with my clients' sites either
[10:39] <knome> it would break upgrades completely
[10:39]  * elfy is looking at rejigging the package testsuites for unicorn
[10:39] <elfy> smaller 
[10:40] <knome> hehe
[12:03] <knome> bluesabre, whatever... fix it.
[12:03] <knome> :)
[12:04] <bluesabre> gotta know what's broken
[12:04] <bluesabre> since it worked for me all the way to release day
[12:04] <bluesabre> haven't tested today
[12:04] <knome> ;)
[12:04] <bluesabre> but I don't see why anything would have changed
[12:04] <knome> yeah... we should fix it for "people".
[12:05] <knome> but afaik, my suggestion is a working workaround
[12:05] <knome> so if you don't happen to be around, i will tell them that
[12:07] <bluesabre> but that won't help... since xscreensaver doesn't control suspending
[12:08] <knome> if it won't help, they will come back
[12:33] <knome> bluesabre, ping, #xubuntu 
[13:31] <elfy> knome: does adding the guest session stuff to lightdm.conf actually work? https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-guest-session.html
[13:31] <knome> elfy, yes, but the link you pasted has a better way to do it
[13:31] <elfy> ok
[13:31] <knome> basically, it does the same thing, outside the xubuntu file
[13:31] <elfy> didn't want to spam #xubuntu 
[13:31] <knome> and is removable as is
[13:32] <knome> and since the setting probably covers all flavors anyway...
[13:32]  * elfy still has 'what DID they do to lightdm" on his list
[13:32] <knome> heh
[13:33] <knome> amigamagic, actually, redirecting to the page elfy noted
[13:34] <amigamagic> knome, ok I didn't find that...
[13:34] <knome> amigamagic, oh me, that's not working properly
[13:34] <knome> >__<
[13:34] <amigamagic> what is that doesn't work?
[13:34] <knome> works now
[13:34] <knome> the redirect, but i fixed it
[13:35] <amigamagic> on that page elfy pasted, the method is slightly different... It works on 14.04 ?
[13:36] <elfy> amigamagic: those lightdm files are all new to 14.04 
[13:36] <knome> amigamagic, it does practically the same thing
[13:37] <knome> amigamagic, but instead of editing the xubuntu file, it creates a new one
[13:37] <knome> amigamagic, which works, like the xubuntu file, for all flavors
[13:37] <knome> amigamagic, also, this means the xubuntu conf file is upgradeable by future xubuntu upgrades without having to worry/ask the user which version they want
[13:38] <amigamagic> ok
[13:39] <knome> the .d directory works like /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[13:39] <knome> all the files in that are read as if they were in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:39] <knome> in this case, as if they were in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[13:39] <knome> the numbers in the files determine the order they are ran in
[13:39] <knome> elfy, ^
[13:41] <amigamagic> why 50 and 60 as numbers?
[13:41] <knome> elfy, does that answer some of your questions?
[13:41]  * elfy thought as much - but hadn't tracked the info down yet - thanks :)
[13:41] <knome> amigamagic, well, consider you had 1, 2, 3 and wanted to add something between 1 and 2
[13:41] <knome> amigamagic, you would have to rename files 2 and 3 to 3 and 4
[13:42] <amigamagic> ok, I understand, but... 50?
[13:42] <knome> well, why not?
[13:42] <knome> the bigger the number, the bigger the chance the modification is taking preference
[13:42] <amigamagic> so you could make run 49 configuration files before it?
[13:42] <knome> yes.
[13:42] <knome> practically, yes..
[13:43] <knome> the number itself is irrelevant...
[13:43] <amigamagic> ok
[13:43] <knome> but from the users point of view, it's better that it is 50 than 20
[13:43] <knome> because if in 14.10, people decided to force guest sessions, and it happened to be 20...
[13:44] <knome> it would be a race condition; whichever file had the "bigger" filename
[13:44] <knome> 20_xubuntu_enable_guest.conf would take preference
[13:44] <knome> while 20_enable_guest.conf would not
[13:44] <knome> the developers can't know what files the user has in their directory
[13:44] <knome> so they will most probably just add the next incremental number (*10)
[13:46] <amigamagic> so, after the number, the precedence it's given to the longer filename?
[13:47] <knome> well, the "bigger" when compared...
[13:47] <knome> x > aaa
[13:48] <amigamagic> ok, so it's a standard sorting method based on the filename
[13:48] <knome> yes
[13:49] <amigamagic> thanks for the info
[13:49] <knome> np
[14:35] <knome> bbl ->
[17:29] <Aurvandill> i learned the basics of c++ and now i want to learn how to develop for linux. what is the next step to learn or to do?
[17:39] <kajair> 4. i want to resize windows. you should point in the exactly same pixel to resize or close or move
[17:39] <kajair> 5. there is not able to connect lubuntu and xubuntu in ssh
[17:39] <kajair> 6. double click in titlebar or drag to up wont set to maximize
[17:40] <kajair> *6: only drag it to upper side
[18:49] <brainwash_> bug 1310045
[18:49] <brainwash_> ^ :D
[18:50] <brainwash_> bluesabre: should we merge https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/lightdm-gtk-greeter/zoomed ? I planned to add more resize methods and so on, but lost the interest
[18:54] <ali1234> lol
[18:56] <brainwash_> so we are 1 step ahead :)
[19:01] <ali1234> what exactly does that do?
[19:02] <brainwash_> my branch?
[19:03] <ali1234> yes
[19:03] <brainwash_> it zooms the background AND puts it in the center of the screen
[19:03] <brainwash_> like xfdesktop does
[19:03] <brainwash_> currently the greeter only zooms it
[19:05] <brainwash_> so you see the top part if your background pic does not fit your screen
[19:07] <starrats>  to that channel
[19:08] <brainwash_> ?
[19:09] <starrats> hit the wrong button, lol, sorry
[19:09] <brainwash_> ah ok
[19:10] <starrats> was typing in another channel and it must have popped over here
[19:16] <23LAAFBCU> I have a Xubuntu 13.10 install on an old machine that insists on locking the screen after suspend/resume.  I've checked settings for xscreensaver and power management, and even removed those packages.  I updated to 14.04 and the problem persists.  I disabled light-locker, and even removed it as well.  I still get a locked screen after resuming.  I asked in #xubuntu channel but someone suggested I ask here.  Google 
[19:16] <23LAAFBCU> was not helpful, too much fodder.
[19:17] <23LAAFBCU> What else could be locking my screen?
[19:18] <brainwash_> how does the lock screen look like?
[19:20] <23LAAFBCU> it looks just like the screen i get if i log out, so lightdm i think
[19:21] <brainwash_> ok, but didn't you remove light-locker already?
[19:21] <23LAAFBCU> bar at the top..computer name on the left top, a few buttons at the top left with session, logoff buttons
[19:21] <23LAAFBCU> yes i tried that out of desperation
[19:22] <brainwash_> and did you relog once after removing it?
[19:22] <23LAAFBCU> removed xfce-power-manager, xscreensaver, and light-locker after making sure they werent set to lock the screen
[19:22] <23LAAFBCU> yes, rebooted
[19:23] <brainwash_> that's odd
[19:25] <23LAAFBCU> let me try another reboot just to make sure
[19:25] <brainwash_> just to make sure, it's the lightdm lock screen and not the normal login screen, right?
[19:25] <23LAAFBCU> it looked jsut like the screen i see if i logout
[19:25] <brainwash_> so you unlock you user account and get redirected to your running session?
[19:25] <brainwash_> your user account
[19:26] <23LAAFBCU> im using autologin with light dm, there's no prompt when i boot up.  Only fater a suspend
[19:26] <23LAAFBCU> after**
[19:27] <brainwash_> does "pgrep light-locker" return any output?
[19:27] <23LAAFBCU> ill check here when it finishes rebooting
[19:28] <23LAAFBCU> im not sure if this is realted but i should mention it....it also doesnt seem to save the state of opened windows..that would be the saved session right?
[19:28] <brainwash_> after you unlock?
[19:29] <23LAAFBCU> yes
[19:29] <brainwash_> this indicates that your running session crashed
[19:29] <brainwash_> so the system returns to the login screen
[19:30] <23LAAFBCU> oh
[19:30] <23LAAFBCU> i see
[19:30] <23LAAFBCU> is there a log i can find info in to confirm this is happening
[19:31] <brainwash_> there are a few, like the general system log file /var/log/syslog
[19:31] <brainwash_> or lightdm related logs in /var7log/lightdm/
[19:31] <brainwash_> /var/log/lightdm/
[19:31] <23LAAFBCU> its an old beast of a computer...should probably have died long ago but, it supports s3 and s1
[19:31] <brainwash_> and X session related ones in ~/.cache/upstart/
[19:32] <23LAAFBCU> i think ive looked in syslog, and found nothing that stood out to me
[19:32] <brainwash_> mmh
[19:33] <brainwash_> also check /var/log/pm-suspend.log to get some info about the actual suspend/resume cycle
[19:34] <brainwash_> suspend issues can be an annoyance
[19:36] <23LAAFBCU> yeah....i seem to recall it working properly at first though i cant be sure anymore
[19:37] <jphilipz> hi all, i just tried out xubuntu 14.04 and noticed a few things that i wanted to bring to the dev team
[19:38] <23LAAFBCU> it didnt occur to me it could be the session crashing though..at least I have another way to look at the problem now..thank you
[19:39] <23LAAFBCU> I'll see what i can find and get back to you if I have any more info a bit later if youre areound..thanks sir
[19:43] <jphilipz> firstly i had noticed that the country i'm living in 'United Arab Emirates' had incorrect time information - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1310065
[19:45] <jphilipz> ubottu: yet thats the first problem i found
[19:45] <jphilipz> ubottu: glad to know it :)
[19:46] <knome> Aurvandill, get to know the xfce code. aiui, it's mostly in pure C though.
[19:46] <jphilipz> while on the live cd as well as after the installation, the bluetooth icon doesnt go dim after i disable bluetooth - http://img.ly/yEi5
[19:48] <jphilipz> also in the installer, the scrollbars need to be disable for the slide show - http://img.ly/yEiC
[19:49] <Aurvandill> knome thx
[19:50] <jphilipz> during the slide show i noticed that some headings were smaller than text underneath it - http://t.co/u30Hupb2MZ
[19:50] <knome> jphilipz, i'm not sure if the bluetooth icon should dim or not when it's not enabled... but i would check if there is a bug for that, and file if not. it's a wishlist/low level one though
[19:51] <knome> jphilipz, the installer scrollbars are known, but we are unable to triage it since many cycles. it's disappeared for most people though, so not a high-priority bug either... what was your installation resolution?
[19:51] <jphilipz> knome: what package should i file that under
[19:51] <knome> jphilipz, headings, not a bug.
[19:52] <knome> jphilipz, indicator-bluetooth
[19:52] <jphilipz> knome: not a tech bug, likely a design issue
[19:52] <knome> it's a design decision
[19:52] <knome> the header text itself isn't very important, but splits the two paragraphs nicely
[19:53] <jphilipz> well another design decision i thought i'd bring up was such small icons on the 'ready to go' slide when there is alot of space on the slide - http://t.co/6BTzrqDJ93
[19:54] <jphilipz> well as the heading is 'We need your help!' it being larger might catch peoples attention
[19:55] <jphilipz> is there a particular indicator-bluetooth package for xubuntu
[19:55] <knome> jphilipz, i rather have smaller icons and plenty of padding that a too packed slide
[19:55] <knome> jphilipz, "particular" package?
[19:56] <jphilipz> knome: well i landed at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth
[19:56] <knome> that's it.
[19:56] <jphilipz> and that seems to be for ubuntu
[19:56] <knome> xubuntu uses the same package repositories as ubuntu, so every "xubuntu package" is a ubuntu package
[19:57] <knome> jphilipz, you can run 'ubuntu-bug indicator-bluetooth' in the terminal, and relevant information is posted to the bug report.
[19:58] <jphilipz> knome: i'll give that a shot
[19:59] <jphilipz> knome: you asked about my screen size, its 1280x768
[20:01] <knome> jphilipz, can you "me too" bug 986283 and add your resolution as a comment
[20:01] <knome> as you see, that bug is filed two years ago and there hasn't been too much activity...
[20:03] <jphilipz> knome: i've me too'd
[20:04] <knome> tbh, i thought that bug was gone...
[20:06] <jphilipz> about the small icons, ye most of them are still recognizable but abiword and gnumeric arent really
[20:08] <jphilipz> bumping them up from 16 to 22 will make them easier to see
[20:08] <jphilipz> especially as these days, screen are getting bigger and bigger
[20:08] <jphilipz> :)
[20:12] <knome> screens are bigger, but resolutions usually not
[20:13] <knome> so 16px might even be bigger than before...
[20:13] <ali1234> i bet that installer scrollbar issue is related to screen DPI, ie not directly related to resolution
[20:14] <knome> ali1234, if you can confirm that, it's a step forward...
[20:14] <ali1234> forcing 96 DPI is pretty much a requirement everywhere
[20:14] <ali1234> jphilipz: do you happen to know the DPI on your monitor?
[20:15] <ali1234> knome: do we have a screenshot of the installer looking "correct" somewhere?
[20:17] <jphilipz> ali1234: let me get that for you, have to turn the laptop on again
[20:17] <ali1234> jphilipz: if you could check it in the livecd that would be even better...
[20:17] <jphilipz> okay, let me burn the iso to a usb
[20:18] <ali1234> also, did you run the installer from desktop session?
[20:18] <ali1234> "install now" or "try ubuntu"
[20:18] <jphilipz> yes from desktop session
[20:18] <ali1234> okay
[20:19] <ali1234> knome: how are the slides done? are they just bitmaps?
[20:19] <knome> ali1234, ergh, they are html
[20:19] <knome> ali1234, lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[20:20] <ali1234> ah, okay then. so that makes DPI issue more likely...
[20:21] <ali1234> is there someway to run that as a "preview" fromt he desktop?
[20:22] <ali1234> ie without having to boot the livecd?
[20:22] <knome> ali1234, yep, get the branch, then run ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[20:23] <ali1234> thanks
[20:25] <ali1234> yup, works fine here...
[20:25] <jphilipz> well about resolutions not getting bigger, w3schools.com has 78% of users above my laptop resolution and on my desktop (1440x900), the 16px icons are similarly as small if not smaller, as i'm farther away from the screen
[20:25] <ali1234> w3fools.com
[20:26] <ali1234> jphilipz: yeah it's not the resolution though, it's the DPI
[20:26] <ali1234> if the DPI is different, elements may grow, causing the scrollbars
[20:26] <jphilipz> well the scrollbars were one thing, and the icons were a different thing
[20:27] <ali1234> okay. i didnt read all the log :)
[20:28] <jphilipz> where do i go for the dpi
[20:28] <ali1234> xdpyinfo | grep dots
[20:29] <jphilipz> forgot to modify grub for my keyboard, need restart again
[20:30] <knome> ali1234, is there a way to reproduce the bug with any monitor?
[20:30] <ali1234> xfce has a "DPI override"
[20:30] <ali1234> look at this: http://imagebin.org/306533
[20:30] <knome> ali1234, pumping up the DPI only made the text so big it was outside the visible area
[20:30] <jphilipz> 96
[20:30] <ali1234> hmm
[20:31] <ali1234> okay it isn't DPI then
[20:31] <ali1234> does it happen on every page of the slideshow?
[20:31] <knome> when it does, it does
[20:31] <jphilipz> every page for me
[20:31] <ali1234> in my screenshot, the text is further down the page
[20:32] <knome> ali1234, if i could reproduce, i could look at things to do to make that not happen
[20:32] <knome> but since i can't...
[20:32] <ali1234> how about making #slideshow width and height 100% instead of fixed px?
[20:32] <jphilipz> knome: you want me to run any command to help your testing
[20:32] <ali1234> i can't reproduce either, at least not without booting up a livecd
[20:33] <ali1234> jphilipz: you could check if it happens with a regular unity iso
[20:33] <ali1234> if it doesn't, we can just steal their CSS :)
[20:33] <jphilipz> no it didnt happen when i installed ubuntu 14.04, if i remember correctly
[20:34] <knome> jphilipz, bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[20:34] <knome> jphilipz, cd ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[20:34] <knome> jphilipz, ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[20:34] <knome> jphilipz, and tell if the scrollbars are visible now
[20:34] <ali1234> it looks like the test thing never shows scrollbars
[20:35] <jphilipz> the slideshow only happens after the installation files have started copying and i've answered all the dialogs
[20:35] <knome> jphilipz, no, in your installed system...
[20:36] <knome> i think i know what to do to fix that, but i'm not sure how to test if it works....
[20:37] <ali1234> hmm look at slideshow.conf for ubuntu
[20:37] <ali1234> width:752 height:442
[20:37] <jphilipz> knome: okay let me boot the os then
[20:37] <ali1234> they added 2 pixels to each
[20:37] <ali1234> i wonder why? ;)
[20:37] <knome> ali1234, but their css says the same widths.
[20:37] <jphilipz> wouldnt it be simpler to disable scrollbars in the window and that would solve it
[20:38] <knome> jphilipz, that's what we're doing. but it's not working
[20:38] <jphilipz> knome: okay
[20:38] <ali1234> what we really need to do is enable scrollbars on the test app
[20:39] <ali1234> because disabling them there does work
[20:39] <ali1234> and it is masking the problem
[20:40] <knome> ali1234, bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/scrollbar-fix-986283
[20:40] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/scrollbar-fix-986283/revision/628
[20:40] <knome> that looks like something that could very well fix the bug.
[20:41] <ali1234> ah i noticed that difference too :)
[20:41] <ali1234> just saw it...
[20:41] <knome> but since i can't reproduce... :)
[20:42] <ali1234> the test app runs inside this Slideshow.py
[20:47] <jphilipz> okay i ran the commands and there is scrollbars
[20:48] <ali1234> hmmmm
[20:48] <jphilipz> there is no scrollbars, sorry
[20:48] <ali1234> okay, that makes more sense
[20:49] <ali1234> knome: is ubiquity proper Qt now or still Gtk?
[20:49]  * knome shrugs
[20:50] <jphilipz> i can run another installation and run any commands if you like
[20:50] <xnox> ali1234: ubiquity has two frontens - qt and gtk. xubuntu uses gtk
[20:50] <ali1234> hi xnox. any idea about these scrollbars?
[20:51] <knome> jphilipz, since the bug isn't reproducible with the testing script, not sure if that would help much...
[20:51] <xnox> ali1234: no idea what you are asking about.
[20:51] <knome> bug 986283
[20:51] <ali1234> xnox: ubiquity-slideshow web component has scrollbars
[20:52] <knome> damn memory, now i'll remember that bug number for a week :|
[20:52] <ali1234> xnox: which frontend does ubuntu use?
[20:56] <ali1234> it should be possibly to instrument gtk_ui.py from real ubiquity and try to reproduce that way
[20:57] <xnox> ali1234: is it reproducible in english locale, only only in longer languages - e.g. french like in the bug report?
[20:58] <ali1234> not sure but the bottom comment has a screenshow that is in english
[20:58] <knome> tbh, i think my branch linked to the bug should fix the issue.
[20:58] <xnox> ali1234: it is related to the default theme, lack of overlay scrollbars, slideshow itself, and the size metrics declared by the slideshow.
[20:58] <knome> but somebody should be able to reproduce that bug, then run the same environment with the new branch
[20:58] <xnox> ali1234: try tweaking the declared sizes of the slideshow it it's manifest.
[20:58] <jphilipz> i filled this bug at xfce after seeing it in xubuntu - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10831
[20:59] <ali1234> xnox: the problem is we can't reproduce it with the test-slideshow.sh from the slideshow package
[20:59] <ali1234> because it is hardcoded to never show scrollbars
[20:59] <knome> xnox, ^ see my comments. this is the first time i hear about this bug in probably two years, and i thought it was already gone...
[21:00] <ali1234> if you google "xubuntu installer" and look at image results there a screenshot supposedly from 13.10 showing this bug :)
[21:00] <knome> possibly
[21:01] <jphilipz> knome: about the bluetooth icon dimming, i just tried ubuntu and their icon dims
[21:03] <xnox> knome: i fix it with ubuntu slideshow every gtk update, every theme update, and every unity update....
[21:03] <knome> xnox, >__<
[21:03] <ali1234> xnox: but how do you test it without rebuilding a full iso?
[21:04] <xnox> ali1234: in a live cd, you can modify files in place and restart the installer.
[21:04] <xnox> ali1234: also probably easier to do an oem install and keep on restarting oem client config.
[21:04] <ali1234> okay. i'm going to try to make a test harness which is more similar to real ubiquity
[21:04] <knome> xnox, i don't think oem installations work for xubuntu...
[21:07] <jphilipz> another bug i reported with xfce after trying xubuntu - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10834
[21:07] <knome> jphilipz, yes, we noticed the bug
[21:07] <ali1234> hey at least they show up in plugin-places now
[21:07] <jphilipz> knome: both of them
[21:07] <knome> hmm, right
[21:08] <knome> jphilipz, %20 is space, so it might be normal
[21:08] <jphilipz> well if you look at the screenshot, it only happens in thunar
[21:09] <jphilipz> was wondering, can you install grub on an extended partition
[21:10] <jphilipz> was also wondering why the search for time zones in ubiquity is case sensitive
[21:11] <knome> bluesabre, i just filed two new bugs against menulibre. minor, but nonetheless.
[21:11] <jphilipz> must be mistaken, it must be just slow
[21:14] <jphilipz> does ubiquity time zone search also search for cities?
[21:14] <xnox> jphilipz: depends f you are online
[21:18] <jphilipz> xnox: i meant at the 'where are you?' page, where i can type in a country but only a few cities that i type in come up
[21:18] <jphilipz> those same cities i can click on the map and get but if i search for them, they dont come up
[21:19] <jphilipz> as an example, i can click on the city Dubai, but cant search for it
[21:22] <jphilipz> also found at the same page that they had wrong time zones for United Arab Emirates and Bahrain - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1310065
[21:23] <jphilipz> knome: bluetooth dim has been filed - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1310101
[21:25] <jphilipz> running the ubuntu installer now and no scrollbars
[21:26] <jphilipz> after looking at the screenshot some more, its possible the '>>' arrows might be causing it
[21:26] <knome> jphilipz, no, that's not it really...
[21:26] <knome> jphilipz, it's something out of the "ordinary"
[21:27] <jphilipz> knome: quite funny that on the same pc, with the same installer, i get two different behaviours
[21:28] <brainwash_> isn't that blueman's tray icon? or is this indeed indicator-bluetooth?
[21:33] <ali1234> okay i reproduced it
[21:33] <ali1234> but it is tricky
[21:38] <knome> jphilipz, well there is a code difference...
[21:38] <jphilipz> you mean the html slides
[21:38] <ali1234> how do i push to lp scratch again?
[21:38] <knome> scratch?
[21:39] <ali1234> yeah, like private junk repo
[21:39] <knome> bzr push lp:~user/+junk/poop
[21:39] <knome> ?
[21:39] <knome> jphilipz, yep
[21:39] <ali1234> yeah that's it
[21:42] <ali1234> knome: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/scrollbar-issue/revision/642
[21:42] <ali1234> in real ubiquity the webkit object is put inside a GtkScrolledWindow. i made the test harness do the same thing, and i can make it show scrollbars
[21:43] <ali1234> but only if i make the window bigger and then make it smaller
[21:43] <jphilipz> was wondering why none of the ubuntu derivatives put their own name in grub
[21:44] <jphilipz> i guess mint is an exception
[21:44] <Unit193> jphilipz: Kubuntu does, but it can break UEFI.
[21:44] <Unit193> Ah, right, derivs, not flavors.
[21:44] <ali1234> same applies to them
[21:45] <Unit193> Sure, but they're in more of a position to fix that.
[21:45] <jphilipz> i heavily distro hopping and trying out as many distros as i can on a 500gb hard disk with 10gb per installation and i get to many duplicates
[21:45] <jphilipz> yes i see kubuntu in my list :)
[21:47] <knome> ali1234, i don't think that's the problem
[21:48] <ali1234> sure it is
[21:48] <knome> ali1234, or, well, maybe it can be "fixed" with my branch
[21:48] <ali1234> if ubiquity didn't put it in a scrolled window, there would be no scrollbars
[21:48] <knome> ali1234, but being *too small* doesn't happen in the slideshow
[21:48] <knome> ali1234, anyway, test my branch with that.
[21:49] <xnox> ali1234: ubiquity uses scrolled window, to make sure slideshow doesn't arbitrary expand the installer window into full-screen.
[21:49] <ali1234> the scrollbars triggers randomly if the webkit window is bigger than client area - size of scrollbar
[21:52] <jphilipz> all right all, i'm off, it was fun chatting with you all and submitting the bugs, likely wouldnt have submitted them to launchpad if you guys werent here
[21:52] <jphilipz> i normally just tweet my bugs and mention the distro
[21:53] <ali1234> knome: your branch doesn't fix it, i can still trigger the scrollbars. it may fix it in real ubiquity of course
[21:54] <jphilipz> i had sent in this bug to xfce and it effects xubuntu as well - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10762
[21:56] <jphilipz> keep up the great work, as an ex-windows XP user i jumped at lxde and mate but i think my home is with xfce, i look forward to converting soon
[22:02] <knome> ali1234, hmph.
[22:02] <ali1234> i don't think my test case is valid tbh
[22:02] <ali1234> it's not 100% reproducable
[22:02] <knome> yeah, as i said, i don't think it's exactly the same thing really
[22:03] <knome> i see why it can appear to be a valid test, but it really isn't
[22:03] <knome> because the window is always the same size
[22:03] <knome> that means there seems to be something really weird going on.