[00:06] <amigamagic> when I launch some app, is there no visual feedback of its loading?
[00:13] <delt> What determines if apt-get asks to confirm: "After this operation, 853 kB of additional disk space will be used."
[00:13] <delt> "Do you want to continue? [Y/n]"
[00:14] <delt> sometimes it just goes straight ahead and downloads 50mb of data, other times (like above) it asks to confirm even for a few kb
[00:20] <bo_> it only asks for confirmation if the package you want to install, depends on other packages ... which the also have to be installed
[00:21] <james0r3> having a problem with light locker. if i allow to lock on suspend when lid closes the monitor wont activate when i reopen the lid
[00:32] <mspittel1961> I hope someday xfce will fix the horrible desktop icon management
[00:32] <mspittel1961> not in 14.04
[00:36] <delt> yeah... like, let icons gravitate from corners other than upper left
[00:36] <delt> and horizontally as well as vertically
[00:37] <mspittel1961> and they keep rearranging themselves at each reboot
[00:37] <delt> i don't use them much anyway, but it would be nice to have those settings...
[00:38] <mspittel1961> the desktop metaphor doesn't work. It's more like a 2D menu.
[00:48] <aidrocsid1> So I did chmod 700 home
[00:48] <aidrocsid1> and now i have problems
[00:48] <ddsss> yo know when configuring thunderbird -> there is an option to play system sound on email arrival. Question - I don't think I've ever had any system sounds in xubuntu -> are system sounds a thing? and how do I get them?
[00:48] <aidrocsid1> i was trying to make my home folder not encrypted anymore
[00:49] <aidrocsid1> now i can't go into my home folder or open a file manager
[00:49] <aidrocsid1> any ideas?
[01:21] <ddsss> does xfce panel have volume plugin -> without it appearing in indicators area?
[01:31] <ddsss> confused by indicators -> can one "minimize to indicators" as one would "minimize in the tray"?
[01:32] <peyam> how do you mean?
[01:33] <cfhowlett> ddsss I've never seen xfce minimize to the task bar (tray) but I can't imagine that one CAN'T ...
[01:33] <cfhowlett> ddsss ask the #xfce channel
[01:34] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, you have seen a spinning wheel when launching apps? I've never seen that in xubuntu 14.04...
[01:34] <ddsss> cfhowlett, hmm. wasn't that a simple thing? For example I can minimize audacious into tray and restore from there. same with thuinderbird.
[01:34] <cfhowlett> amigamagic well, there IS the macbuntu project but that has more bugs than a picnic of stinky cheese
[01:35] <cfhowlett> ddsss as I said, I haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean it's not there.  could be as simple as installing compiz - which rather defeats the XFCE "light and easy" design IMHO
[01:35] <peyam> what is IMHO?
[01:36] <amigamagic> In My Honest Opinion
[01:36] <peyam> ok
[01:36] <peyam> thanks
[01:37] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, you have not answered to me... Have you ever seen a spinning wheel when you launch an app in xubuntu 14.04 ?
[01:37] <cfhowlett> amigamagic I think Macbuntu has one ...
[01:38] <amigamagic> so you have not...
[01:39] <amigamagic> If I'm right, standard ubuntu distro has a sort of feedback when you launch some app
[01:39] <peyam> Im a little bit slow. but you are trying to have a icon of y our application in your indicator applet?
[01:39] <amigamagic> I would like to have a visual feedback when my app (firefox, libreoffice, etc.) is loading
[01:40] <amigamagic> I don't have an SSD, so there are loading times...
[01:40] <peyam> how?
[01:40] <peyam> like a loading bar?
[01:41] <amigamagic> peyam, like the mouse pointer that changes its shape
[01:41] <peyam> yeah yeah.. like in mac and windows?
[01:41] <ddsss> sow what's the point of a thunderbird indicator for example  -> If I still have to keep program minimized?
[01:41] <amigamagic> yes
[01:41] <peyam> intressting question
[01:41] <cfhowlett> amigamagic I'm no expert but #xfce designed the interface so they would have to know
[01:41] <peyam> amigamagic, ddsss you are talking about same issue? im very confused
[01:42] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, there is a "startup notification" in the option of the launcher
[01:42] <amigamagic> but to me it doesn't do absolutely nothing
[01:42] <cfhowlett> amigamagic I must have it turned off then ... :)
[01:42] <amigamagic> I'm sure you will not see any difference anyway
[01:43] <ddsss> peyam, there is a "notification area" plugin (tray) and indicator plugin - and they do kinda the same things. which si weird to me.
[01:43] <peyam> yes.. they are .. in my experince some programs turns to one of them. and not both
[01:43] <peyam> so I have both
[01:46] <amigamagic> I have only one plugin indicator
[01:46] <amigamagic> I didn't see other ones
[01:47] <ddsss> amigamagic, "Notification area" -> try toggling it
[01:47] <peyam> indicator and notification
[01:48] <amigamagic> ah that...
[01:48] <amigamagic> yes I have that one
[01:48] <ddsss> amigamagic, some icons appear in "notification area" and some appear in "indicator plugin" - weird
[01:48] <ddsss> amigamagic, I think I have OCD - cuz this bothers me and I "must" fix it
[01:48] <amigamagic> the notification area should be the default one of xfce
[01:49] <amigamagic> but the other one is for some plugins from stadard ubuntu distro that use another indicator system, I think...
[01:50] <amigamagic> yes, I checked that... The plugin indicator is there for the plugins from Unity desktop
[01:51] <cfhowlett> amigamagic on 14.04   ?
[01:51] <amigamagic> xubuntu takes some plugins from Unity desktop plugins
[01:51] <amigamagic> cfhowlett, yes
[01:51] <cfhowlett> amigamagic that's just confusing as hell ...
[01:51] <ddsss> amigamagic, right - but I can't disable unity indicators  - because network manager shows up there as well as volume indicator
[01:51] <amigamagic> they mixed some native xfce plugins, with some Unity plugins
[01:52] <amigamagic> ddsss yes you can
[01:52] <amigamagic> you can "hide" the unwanted Unity plugins
[01:52] <peyam> the indicator should contain the valume and internet icons
[01:52] <peyam> I guess
[01:53] <amigamagic> ddsss, there are the options to hide unwanted Unity plugins in the plugin indicator properties
[01:53] <peyam> it should have nothing to do with unity
[01:54] <cfhowlett> I "think" indicator = "hey here's your program" and notification = "hey something changed in your program"
[01:54] <amigamagic> peyam, as I said, it takes the plugins from Unity top bar and let you use them in the xfce panel
[01:55] <peyam> cfhowlett, they are containing different thing. like sound and power management are in indicator while internet connection and other stuff are in notification
[01:55] <peyam> amigamagic, yes but it's not its only purpose
[01:56] <amigamagic> peyam, what do you mean?
[01:57] <peyam> indocator has been there long before unity. unity can use it yes but remove the plugin will couse you problem. the sound and power icon will disappear
[01:59] <peyam> I gotta go and sleep. 4 AM here
[01:59] <peyam> see ya
[02:01] <amigamagic> xfce4-indicator-plugin: "Provides a panel area for Unity indicators. Indicators allow applications and system services to display their status and interact with the user.". <--- it's from the About of the plugin
[02:03] <ddsss> amigamagic, yeah. what bothers me is that notifications area are for icons that do exactly the same thing it seems. So there are 2 systems with same purpose.
[02:06] <amigamagic> ddsss, yes, probably because the standard xfce indicators are not on par with the Unity ones
[02:06] <amigamagic> not all of them, at least
[02:06] <amigamagic> I disabled the duplicated ones
[02:08] <ddsss> amigamagic, so duplication is #1.Iissue #2 is  -> I can minimize app into tray (notification area), but I cannot minimize app into indicator area (or so it seems).
[02:11] <amigamagic> what? You cannot minimize app in the notification or indicator area...
[02:11] <amigamagic> There is the windows buttons plugin for that...
[02:12] <ddsss> amigamagic, what plugin?
[02:13] <amigamagic> "Window Buttons" plugin
[02:15] <ddsss> amigamagic, wait a second - this looks awesome
[02:17] <ddsss> amigamagic, hmm  - I didn't realized I could hide labels.
[02:44] <seekwill> Hello! Are "general" packages of xubuntu the same as ubuntu? I'm trying to install openssh-server on ly 64-bit install, but getting some weird errors of trying to install 32-bit stuff: http://pastie.org/private/vndvya4m1mzoqyjmpp9n0w
[02:48] <kajair> hello. my network monitoring applet icon has been removed after upgrade to 14.04.how can i fix that?
[03:23] <tnk> how do i force xubuntu 13.10 to upgrade to 14.04? I run update-manager -d but it doesn't present 14.04 is available for upgrade.. why??
[03:33] <Unit193> Drop -d
[03:35] <tnk> Unit193, just says the software is up to date.. but it's still 13.10... i'm trying to get it to upgrade to 14.04
[03:39] <Unit193> I've never used that one, I always use do-release-upgrade, but it should be picking it up fine.  Check out http://docs.xubuntu.org/1404/migrating-upgrading.html#upgrading for more information.
[03:43] <mspittel1961> 14.04 is requesting my password to mount every thumbdrive I insert.
[03:44] <mspittel1961> What's going on?
[03:44] <holstein> mspittel1961: permissions
[03:44] <mspittel1961> ?
[03:44] <holstein> mspittel1961: your user is not autorized to open the USB sticks, or for some reason doesnt have permission
[03:44] <mspittel1961> Permissions on what object?
[03:45] <holstein> mspittel1961: ?
[03:45] <holstein> mspittel1961: the usb sticks you are referencing, friend
[03:45] <mspittel1961> This is a fresh install
[03:45] <mspittel1961> mine is the only account
[03:45] <holstein> mspittel1961: ok..
[03:45] <mspittel1961> how do I give myself permissions to automount USB drives?
[03:47] <holstein> mspittel1961: they are ntfs?
[03:47] <mspittel1961> yes
[03:48] <mspittel1961> I gave full permissions on the mounted volume, expulsed it and reinserted it, no further password required
[03:48] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:48] <holstein> i have never used ntfs on sticks like that
[03:49] <mspittel1961> I use it with a Western Digital Live TV appliance and it only recognizes FAT ans NTFS
[03:49] <mspittel1961> and
[03:52] <mspittel1961> I'm spoiled by Mint, it automounts everything I plug at it
[03:52] <holstein> sure.. im just saying, for first hand experiences, i have only that i have used ntfs and added to fstab.. you wont want to do that
[03:52] <holstein> so, you'll need to read up on using ntfs with linux
[03:53] <holstein> mint should be similar with ntfs
[03:53] <holstein> you can always ask mint how they do their permissions, and do that to xubuntu
[03:54] <mspittel1961> May be I had the same problem long ago with Mint and simply forgot what I did
[03:54] <holstein> you mean, with ntfs
[03:54] <mspittel1961> thanks a lot
[03:54] <holstein> sure. good luck. my "fix" with fstab is not what you wan
[03:54] <holstein> want*
[03:54] <holstein> i had ntfs drives.. internal drives. it was appropriate for fstab
[03:55] <mspittel1961> I mean that I used the thumb and set permissions in my Mint install and jut forgot that
[03:56] <mspittel1961> Mint Nadia reaches end-of-support this month and I'm thinking of coming back to Xubuntu
[03:57] <mspittel1961> I switched two years ago when they said tha Xubuntu won't be officialy supported by Ubuntu any longer
[03:58] <mspittel1961> by Canonical, I mean
[03:59] <holstein> i think that was misread
[03:59] <holstein> canonical pays for the servers.. and the official flavous get access to all of that
[03:59] <mspittel1961> I suppose, because Xubuntu is still among us
[03:59] <holstein> they never finanically supported it directly
[04:00] <holstein> its a community project
[04:00] <holstein> xubuntu cant be "Killed" buy canonical like that
[04:00] <holstein> they would just stop paying the bills on the servers, or the salaries up top
[04:00] <mspittel1961> isn't Xubuntu one of the "official flavours" ?
[04:00] <holstein> mspittel1961: yes
[04:01] <holstein> mspittel1961: but that doesnt mean its funded directly
[04:01] <holstein> mspittel1961: its a community project
[04:01] <mspittel1961> Ok. Got it
[04:01] <holstein> kubuntu had a paid dev, but they are now the same as the other flavours
[04:02] <holstein> even if, somehow, xubuntu stopped existing, you get ubuntu and add xfce.. thats not going anywhere unless ubuntu stopped existing
[04:04] <mspittel1961> It's nice to have a .ISO that people more knowledgeable than me put together with xfce "preinstalled"
[04:05] <mspittel1961> I've been using xfce since Gnome 2 was abandoned and I'm very used to it.
[04:06] <mspittel1961> When MATE was forked from Gnome 2 I was already a xfce convert.
[04:07] <mspittel1961> The only thing I hate is the desktop icons rearranging on each boot, bit I can live with that.
[04:12] <mspittel1961> holstein: I found an ugly translation error in the Spanish version. How do I contribute a correction?
[04:13] <mspittel1961> It is specific to xfce
[04:15] <holstein> !translation
[04:15] <holstein> !contribute
[04:15] <holstein> mspittel1961: see if its there ^
[04:15] <holstein> not sure...
[04:18] <mspittel1961> great!
[04:19] <mspittel1961> I fount there the e-mails of the three maintainers of the Spanish translation
[04:19] <mspittel1961> found
[04:19] <holstein> mspittel1961: cheers! i know its helpful and appreciated
[04:20] <xubuntu806> hola
[04:20] <mspittel1961> hola
[04:20] <mspittel1961> timezone? Here it's 1:20 AM
[04:21] <xubuntu806> tengo xubuntu 12.04 lts non pae es compatible la 14.04 con NON PAE?
[04:22] <mspittel1961> es en una Thinkpad?
[04:23] <mspittel1961> creo que los kernels no PAE fueron abandonados
[04:23] <delt> no espaniolo en los channelo
[04:24] <xubuntu806> que putada yo con NON PAE
[04:24] <delt> zapato cabeza quisiera papas un dos tres
[04:25] <delt> quatro cinquo hijo de puta
[04:25] <delt> !es
[04:25] <mspittel1961> The nub of the problem is the fact that I have three computers that all run Ubuntu and all of them happen to have a Pentium M CPU. As far as I can tell, there is no 'non-pae' kernel in the mainstream releases of Ubuntu 12.10 and thus my Pentium M systems are left out in the cold as far as updating is concerned.
[04:27] <xubuntu806> OK,
[04:28] <mspittel1961> non-pae kernel are not available anymore from 120.10 onwards
[04:28] <mspittel1961> 12.10 I mean
[04:29] <mspittel1961> My understanding is that as of 12.10 non-pae will no longer be supported. So the best thing to do would be to stick with the 12.04 LTS release or switch to a different distro.
[04:29] <xubuntu806> ONLY I still migrate to DEBIAN .... Too bad I was OK with Xubuntu
[04:33] <mspittel1961> To guarantee compatibility with non-PAE processors, the 32-bit versions of Linux Mint Debian come with a 486 kernel by default.
[04:33] <mspittel1961> Try LMDE 32-bit
[04:33] <mspittel1961> or may be SolydX 32 bit
[04:35] <mspittel1961> LMDE doesn't have xfce version anymore. The SolydXK guys have a semi-rolling distro based on Debian with xfce.
[04:35] <xubuntu806> I do not understand I will make the light distributions of NO UBUNTU not supporting PAE with few old pc
[04:37] <mspittel1961> let's go to #ubuntu-es so we can chat in Spanish w/o annoying people here.
[04:37] <xubuntu806> ok, LMDE
[04:38] <xubuntu806> BYE
[04:38] <xubuntu806> THK
[04:38] <mspittel1961> CU there
[05:11] <xubuntu726> Is the only way to change from xp to linux is to buy the usb stick?
[05:11] <holstein> xubuntu726: no
[05:11] <holstein> !install
[05:12] <holstein> xubuntu726: you dont need to purchase anything
[05:12] <holstein> xubuntu726: you  will need to install, or have someone physically help you install.. sometimes you can find a local linux users group to help you
[05:12] <xubuntu726> thank you so much!!!!!
[05:14] <xubuntu726> sorry,where would i find local linux group?
[05:17] <holstein> xubuntu726: i have no idea.. im not saying there is one. im saying there might be one, and that would help
[05:18] <holstein> xubuntu726: you likely bought your machine with XP on it, and maybe are not comfortable or interested in installing an operating system
[05:18] <holstein> it can be helpful to find an actual person to install the operating sytem, as you did for xp
[05:28] <xubuntu726> holstien...looks as if i need either flash drive or CD...is that right?
[05:29] <holstein> xubuntu726: there are many ways to install
[05:30] <holstein> xubuntu726: id do what is easiest, and less foriegn to you .. and whatever you have access to.. and what your hardware supports
[05:31] <xubuntu726> so if i look around enought then i should find a way to do it?
[05:32] <delt> xubuntu726: you can download a .iso and burn it to DVD, then use that to install on your computer. That's the easiest way.
[05:33] <xubuntu726> dont have workin dvd player
[05:34] <delt> oh... then you'd have to somehow write the .iso to a USB stick.... in linux that's very easy, but in windows i don't know how to do it.
[05:34] <holstein> !install | xubuntu726
[05:34] <xubuntu726> they sell one for 40 dollars
[05:34] <holstein> xubuntu726: ^ that should list, and outline ways to install
[05:34] <delt> that's a ripoff. linux is free software.
[05:34] <holstein> xubuntu726: you can make your own usb installion media
[05:35] <holstein> xubuntu726: if you have trouble making it, ask
[05:35] <delt> you'd probably have to download some shareware program to write the .iso file to a usb stick...
[05:35] <holstein> you can use what the link suggests. i like unetbootin
[05:36] <delt> xubuntu726: do you have a free USB stick of at least 2gb?
[05:36] <xubuntu726> no
[05:37] <xubuntu726> wouldnt know one if i tripped over it
[05:37] <holstein> xubuntu726: where are you? look for a linux users group
[05:37] <xubuntu726> boston
[05:37] <delt> take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[05:37] <holstein> i help host the western north carolinx linux user group
[05:38] <holstein> xubuntu726: you can search "boston linux user group" and likely find folks to help you in person  as you did with xp install
[05:38] <delt> the problem is writing the .iso to the usb stick itself, like you'd do with 'dd if=file.iso of=/dev/usbstick' from windows
[05:39] <delt> the problem is writing the .iso to the usb stick itself, like you'd do with 'dd if=file.iso of=/dev/usbstick' ...BUT from windows
[05:39] <xubuntu726> thats all greek to me
[05:39] <delt> sorry about that
[05:39] <xubuntu726> np
[05:39] <xubuntu726> appreciate the effort
[05:40] <delt> xubuntu726: do you kno anyone who knows how to install an operating system? they might be able to help you.
[05:40] <delt> know*
[05:40] <xubuntu726> just online
[05:41] <delt> you're using windows on your computer now?
[05:41] <xubuntu726> yes,xp
[05:42] <delt> ah, ok.. you know how to download files? in this case you need mainly a .ISO file of the linux distribution you wish to install.
[05:43] <xubuntu726> where to find?
[05:43] <delt> check on xubuntu.org
[05:43] <delt> or here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[05:44] <delt> is it a recent computer? if it came with windows xp, i'm guessing from several years...?
[05:44] <xubuntu726> yes....bout 7 or 8
[05:44] <delt> ok, then you'll need the 32bit version.
[05:45] <xubuntu726> i see
[05:45] <delt> the file you'll need is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso
[05:45] <delt> it's rather large, because lots of programs come bundled with xubuntu (like most linux distributions)
[05:46] <xubuntu726> ok.......thanks alot!
[05:47] <delt> so you need, (1) a USB stick of at least 2gb, (2) that .iso file, and (3) some way to write it to the USB stick. i'm looking at the website pendrivelinux.com right now
[05:48] <delt> oh, a SD card reader with a (at least) 2GB card can act as a usb stick too =)
[05:51] <delt> this program looks like it could do the job: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[05:51] <xubuntu726> ok...ty
[05:52] <delt> so once you have the .iso file and a USB stick, you can use this program to write the file to the USB stick.
[05:53] <xubuntu726> i see
[05:53] <delt> You can't just copy the file onto the USB stick as "normal" content, it has to be written in a certain way. That's why you need a special program that can do it.
[05:54] <delt> it has to be written in a way that makes the USB stick "bootable": that means, you can start your computer directly from it when you turn it on.
[05:55] <xubuntu726> I'm looking into this because some said xp is no longer supported so my computer could be useless soon
[05:56] <delt> ...so, if you don't have a USB stick, i'd recommend just go to the store and buy one. they're really not expensive, probably $5 to $10 for what you need.
[05:56] <xubuntu726> i see
[05:57] <xubuntu726> is that true, what i just said?
[05:57] <delt> yeah, microsoft have stopped supporting windows xp.
[05:57] <delt> without this support, how "useless" your computer would be, that really depends how you use it.
[05:57] <xubuntu726> hmm
[05:58] <delt> if you do anything on the internet, it's probably better to use another OS.
[05:59] <xubuntu726> i see......yes i use net alot
[05:59] <delt> For a computer 7-8 years old, xubuntu is an excellent choice.
[05:59] <xubuntu726> i see
[05:59] <delt> anyway, are you donwloading the .iso file right now?
[05:59] <xubuntu726> yes
[05:59] <xubuntu726> d
[06:00] <xubuntu726> just finished
[06:00] <delt> okie, also grab the program i mentioned: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[06:00] <xubuntu726> have it
[06:00] <ed-> xubuntu726, xp will still work great, but you will become more and more exposed to malware due to no further upgrades from microsoft
[06:00] <ed-> eventually you'll probably be getting viruses automatically
[06:00] <delt> that is true
[06:00] <xubuntu726> i see
[06:01] <delt> and newer "versions" of windowz are going to choke your computer totally.
[06:01] <xubuntu726> hmm
[06:02] <ed-> also, I would probably use this http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[06:02] <delt> each windows "upgrade" consumes 4 times more memory, disk space, cpu power, etc etc.... and accomplishes very little more than the version before it
[06:02] <ed-> it should be able to take an xubuntu iso and write it to anything usb, like a pen-drive or an sd card
[06:02] <delt> yeah, that would work too
[06:02] <ed-> my grandfather's laptop actually had wifi die after a windows upgrade, so i installed xubuntu on it
[06:02] <ed-> he loved it
[06:03] <delt> hehe :D
[06:03] <ed-> kept raving over how great the text rendering was
[06:03] <delt> my grandfather taught me my first steps in programming.... he worked 30 years as a statistician and programmer for the canadian govt.
[06:04] <xubuntu726> wow
[06:04] <ed-> that's amazing
[06:05] <xubuntu726> where are you,if i can ask?
[06:05] <delt> montreal, canada
[06:05] <delt> <--- canuck frenchie :D
[06:05] <xubuntu726> oh...ok
[06:05] <xubuntu726> not far
[06:05] <ed-> norway reporting in, fwiw
[06:05] <delt> although my grandfather (on my mom's side) lived mostly in Ottawa
[06:05] <xubuntu726> hi ed
[06:07] <ed-> actually, don't know whether you've heard yet, but
[06:07] <ed-> xubuntu 14.04 JUST got released, so it still has a few glitches that they're working out
[06:07] <ed-> so in a few months it'll probably work even better, thanks to the upgrades that keep coming out
[06:07] <ed-> also, you'll want to only install the LTS versions, which 14.04 luckily happens to be!
[06:08] <delt> yeah, xubuntu was officially released like 2 days ago.
[06:08] <delt> uh
[06:08] <delt>  xubuntu 14.04 was officially released like 2 days ago.
[06:09] <delt> xubuntu726: now all you need is a USB stick
[06:09] <xubuntu726> yes
[06:09] <delt> or a SD card reader with a >= 2GB SD card in it
[06:10] <xubuntu726> right,ill buy cheapest
[06:10] <holstein> not really
[06:10] <holstein> !mini
[06:10] <delt> or any USB gadget that can store at least 2gb of data
[06:10] <holstein> those are quite small, but, its not "easy" to install that way
[06:11] <ed-> I'd go with the official xubuntu iso and any memory stick that's 1gb or larger
[06:11] <ed-> (anything bigger shouldn't be necessary)
[06:11] <delt> wow, 30mb
[06:11] <ed-> and with that I mean http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[06:11] <delt> that's the size of slackware in 1993-94 :D
[06:11] <holstein> you should be able to find one, or borrow one
[06:12] <delt> ed-: he/she/it already downloaded the .iso
[06:12] <delt> :)
[06:12] <ed-> ah aight
[06:13] <delt> 14.04 32bit
[06:13] <ed-> 32bit? is the rig that old? :p
[06:13] <delt> 7 or 8 years
[06:13] <ed-> yeah, not much point in 64bit then I guess
[06:13] <delt> it probably won't boot 64bit
[06:13] <ed-> xubuntu's also a great choice, then, since it's so light
[06:14] <ed-> (not that xubuntu isn't a great choice in every scenario)
[06:15] <delt> xubuntu726: on IRC you can change your nickname by typing /nick followed by your chosen nickname
[06:16] <xubuntu726> ok,ty
[06:17] <xubuntu726> ?
[06:18] <xubuntu202> Hello world!Xubuntu 14.04 LTS is ready to download?Thanks
[06:18] <xubuntu726> ty 202
[06:19] <xubuntu202> 32 bit or 64 bit?
[06:19] <xubuntu399> Hello
[06:19] <delt__> ah ok it works
[06:19] <delt> xubuntu726: depends on your computer
[06:19] <delt> uh
[06:19] <xubuntu202> Ok
[06:19] <delt> xubuntu202: depends on your computer
[06:20] <xubuntu202> xubuntu 14.04 LTS is ready to download?
[06:20] <delt> yeah. just released 2 days ago.
[06:20] <xubuntu202> Ok Thanks
[06:20] <xubuntu726> ok.....late here...i'm going to bed........thanks all for help! Goodnight!
[06:20] <delt> xubuntu726: np
[06:21] <xubuntu202> I have notebook Acer Intel Celeron processor 900 is ok for Xubuntu 14.04 LTS 32 bit?
[06:22] <ed-> probably
[06:22] <xubuntu202> ok
[06:22] <ed-> you should download the ISO and run it in live / try mode first, to see if it works
[06:22] <ed-> impossible to tell without trying :p
[06:22] <xubuntu202> ok
[06:23] <holstein> its really a good choice for lower spec machines
[06:23] <holstein> !lubuntu
[06:23] <holstein> as well ^
[06:23] <xubuntu202> ok
[07:09] <volkan> Any torrent client suggestion?
[07:10] <cfhowlett> volkan transmission
[07:10] <volkan> cfhowlett, thanks
[07:11] <volkan> Another question, Whats the fast way of past in terminal?
[07:12] <cfhowlett> volkan depends.  for pasting file and directory locations, I drag and drop via nautilus and thunar
[07:12] <volkan> cfhowlett, for the clipboard?
[07:13] <cfhowlett> volkan hmm.  nothing I can suggest, sorry
[07:19] <volkan> What can I use for booting USB?
[07:21] <cfhowlett> volkan clarify ... plug in USB and boot!
[07:22] <volkan> cfhowlett, I want a setup xubuntu. I have the .ISO file. Whats the next step?
[07:23] <cfhowlett> !install
[07:23] <cfhowlett> !usb
[07:23] <cfhowlett> volkan get netbootin, create a boot USB and reboot with it
[07:23] <cfhowlett> !md5sum|volkan FIRST do md5sum to verify your ISO
[07:25] <volkan> OK, after that?
[07:25] <cfhowlett> volkan use unetbootin.  make the USB
[07:26] <volkan> Thank you!
[07:33] <gabriel> Hello All. just installed dropbox on my brand new xubuntu laptop, the dropbox icon is not in he notification area like in ubuntu. any ideas on how to get it back? itworks fine and the dropbox is syncing.
[07:48] <xubuntu194> hey guys, I am using xubuntu 12.04 and would like to upgrade to 14.04, fresh install is not a preferable option as I am working on a lot of development projects and do not want to setup databases and environments again. Theoretically upgrade should be available for LTS'es, but I don't see that option in update manager. Any idea when that should become available?
[07:49] <Unit193> xubuntu194: No, the upgrade will be offered to LTS users at the first point release.
[07:49] <cfhowlett> xubuntu194 use the terminal sudo do-release-upgrade
[07:50] <cfhowlett> Unit193 I am confused - gui upgrade isn't an option in 12.04 to 14.04???
[07:50] <Unit193> cfhowlett: 12.04 will get the option when 14.04.1 rolls around, it's how it normally works.
[07:51] <cfhowlett> Unit193 learn something new everyday ...
[08:01] <xubuntu194> sounds good :) will try out 14.04 on home computer
[08:02] <Unit193> xubuntu194: Have fun!  (And so close!  One number off. :P )
[08:03] <xubuntu194> true, thanks guys
[09:45] <james0r2> there a gtk app that works like Homerun on KDE? Is that called the dash in Unity? havn't used unity much?
[09:46] <amigamagic> james0r, why you ask here about Unity if this is an "x"ubuntu channel?
[09:56] <cfhowlett> james0r ask in #ubuntu please
[10:07] <starrats> good morning everyone!
[10:20] <anykey> uh... somehow I cannot seem to find openssl headers in 14.04...
[10:20] <anykey> where has openssl-dev gone?
[10:20] <anykey> (yeah I know, to hell, but seriously)
[10:23] <anykey> nvm, found it (libssl-dev)
[10:23] <freeman_> hi guys how I can deactivate the guest account in xubuntu 14.04
[10:23] <freeman_> ?
[10:24] <anykey> there is a guest account?
[10:24] <anykey> never seen that
[10:26] <heikkiket> hi everyone! I installed Xubuntu 14.04 to replace my Xubuntu 12.10 and now screen locking with suspend doesn't word
[10:26] <heikkiket> *work
[10:26] <knome> freeman_, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-tiphow-to-disable-guest-account-in-ubuntu-12-04precise.html
[10:27] <knome> heikkiket, did you by any chance read the release announcement?
[10:27] <heikkiket> yeah, I red
[10:27] <heikkiket> and there was a workaround: disable screen locking
[10:27] <knome> or suspend from the menu
[10:27] <heikkiket> but I really need my screen to lock when I close my laptop lid
[10:27] <knome> then use xscreensaver
[10:27] <knome> and remove light-locker for now
[10:28] <heikkiket> so how do I do that?
[10:28] <heikkiket> ah
[10:28] <heikkiket> so just uninstall light-locker and install xscreensaver?
[10:28] <knome> sudo apt-get install xscreensaver; sudo apt-get purge light-locker
[10:28] <knome> yes, and reboot
[10:28] <heikkiket> alright
[10:28] <heikkiket> pity, because light-locker seems cool
[10:28] <knome> we're looking into the issue
[10:28] <knome> it'll most probably land as an SRU ASAP
[10:29] <heikkiket> nice
[10:29] <knome> ...as soon as we are able to triage the issue
[10:30] <freeman_> thanks
[10:30] <heikkiket> thanks for the help!
[10:31] <knome> no problem, enjoy
[10:35] <freeman_> cannot find the file in xubuntu :( knome
[10:35] <knome> freeman_, you can create it
[10:39] <freeman_> ok thanks I will try
[10:48] <programmingnewb> no it does not work :( after restart xubuntu won't boot anymore
[10:48] <dawnk> I installed numix theme xubuntu 14.04, but the title bar theme doesn't change
[10:52] <programmingnewb> is there another way to deactivate the guest user in xubuntu
[11:00] <programmingnewb> :(
[11:05] <knome> dawnk, installing themes do not enable them.
[11:05] <dawnk> knome, I figured it out.
[11:05] <knome> dawnk, also, the window manager theme is separate, look under settings manager -> window manager
[11:05] <dawnk> I had to change it in the window manager
[11:05] <dawnk> knome, I was changing it in the appearance settings before
[11:28] <g2d> Hi, how can I disable password asking completely?
[11:44] <amigamagic> knome, to me disabling guest account worked when I added "allow-guest=false"  to the following file: /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-xubuntu.conf
[11:45] <knome> amigamagic, i would say the appropriate place for that is the community help wiki
[11:45] <amigamagic> can I add it too?
[11:47] <amigamagic> anyway I'm going to eat something now... See you later!
[11:47] <knome> yes, the community help wiki is editable by anyone
[11:47] <knome> amigamagic, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[11:48]  * amigamagic is eating spaghetti and pizza
[11:49] <knome> amigamagic, when you add the page, add "CategoryXubuntu" at the end of the page so it's visible in the xubuntu category
[11:50] <knome> amigamagic, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryXubuntu
[12:01] <bluesabre> knome: screen locking doesn't work?
[12:01] <knome> bluesabre, ?
[12:02] <bluesabre> heikkiket: ^
[12:02] <knome> bluesabre, suspend not working when closing laptop lid. surprise!
[12:03] <bluesabre> thats controlled by xfpm...
[12:05] <g2d> In Python, tab key doesnt working. What should I do?
[12:05] <bluesabre> heikkiket, can you explain exactly what you're trying to do vs. what's happening. I want to help
[12:06] <bluesabre> g2d, the python terminal doesn't support tab-completion
[12:06] <bluesabre> I recommend ipython
[12:29]  * amigamagic is back
[12:29] <amigamagic> knome, I should write the "xubuntu" term in the title of the page (for the url)?
[12:30] <knome> amigamagic, if you want to be most helpful, write a "DisableGuestSession" page and lay it out in a way that other flavors can add their workarounds in as well
[12:31] <amigamagic> ok
[12:32] <23LAAFBCU> im updating to 14.04 on a VM to take look at the new release....I'm a bit concerned about the "known issue" involving display power not being restored.  I checked the bug report to find a workaround and the only one seemed to cause other display related problems.  Does this mean when I suspend/resume I'm not going to have a display?  Seems like kind of a major problem for a new release.
[13:04] <23LAAFBCU> how do i prevent the screen from locking after resuming from suspend?  I've disabled it in power management and in xscreensaver but i still get a lightdm password promt everytime i resume.
[13:06] <albi> hi guys
[13:06] <albi> is there a tool thats any good for creating a bootable usb on xubuntu>
[13:06] <Meerkat> the "display power not being restored" issue is easy to work around. Go into light locker settings in Settings, turn it off and hit apply.
[13:06] <GridCube> 23LAAFBCU, as xubuntu now uses lightlocker its higly recommeded that you uninstall xscreensaver from your upgraded machine,it cause conflicts
[13:07] <23LAAFBCU> oh i thought the upgrade process was going to replace and remove it for me
[13:07] <GridCube> 23LAAFBCU, then you have also a settings manager for lightlocker itself in the configuration menu
[13:07] <23LAAFBCU> ill take a look at that tank you both
[13:07] <23LAAFBCU> thank you*
[13:07] <GridCube> 23LAAFBCU, no problem :)
[13:08] <GridCube> albi, i recommend unetbootin, but there are plenty of options
[13:09] <23LAAFBCU> i think i used pendrivelinux on windows recently
[13:15] <GridCube> as i've never had any problems whit unetbootin i never tried another one
[13:18] <davelarge> Hi all. Anyone know if it's possible to change the text orientation for DateTime (the panel applet)?
[13:19] <davelarge> The text on mine is currently vertical and it's somewhat annoying!
[13:19] <GridCube> i don't think you can
[13:20] <davelarge> Really? On 12.04 is was always horizontal. I've just upgraded to 14.04 and now it's changed. Less than ideal, IMHO.
[13:21] <GridCube> oh
[13:21] <GridCube> mmm
[13:21] <GridCube> i missundertood
[13:22] <GridCube> davelarge, right, the default clock is vertical but the orage clock is horizontal
[13:27] <GridCube> http://i.imgur.com/vMrBAek.png
[13:27] <amigamagic> knome, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisableGuestSession
[13:29] <Meerkat> is it all right to remove lightlocker and keep xscreensaver in 14.04? Or will that cause issues? I prefer xscreensaver.
[13:29] <knome> amigamagic, thanks, fixed (no need for sections that do not exist, added the xubuntu category)
[13:29] <knome> Meerkat, okay to do that.
[13:29] <23LAAFBCU> After updating I have "Main Menu" and "Menu Editor" both in the system settings, isn't that another thing that should have been removed during the upgrade..the old bugged menu editor?
[13:30] <GridCube> Meerkat, that would make your setting different from default xubuntu and thus not easier to reciever support, but you can always do whatever you want :)
[13:30] <GridCube> ( you just have to live whit the consequences P: )
[13:30] <knome> 23LAAFBCU, upgrades won't remove software you have installed, it's kept because you might want to use it
[13:31] <knome> 23LAAFBCU, imagine doing an upgrade from an image with no network connection and your apps removed...
[13:31] <GridCube> ^ what knome said
[13:32] <23LAAFBCU> oh..but it did say it was removing several obsolete things..I guess I assumed it would disable or remove the things like this that were replaced
[13:32] <GridCube> 23LAAFBCU, it does that when it has replacements for them as to not cause internal confilcts
[13:35] <23LAAFBCU> I see your point, but how do I know what I need to hunt down and remove to prevent any weird redundency?
[13:36] <knome> 23LAAFBCU, check the release notes, they cover the most prominent things
[13:37] <Lazar> guys, what about fglrx and wakeing up from suspend on laptop config?
[13:38] <Lazar> On 13.10 i currently have problem whit that so im wondering is that fixed on 14.04
[13:38] <nonya> is there a way to get xubuntu to sync Iphone 4s
[13:38] <nonya> with out itunes
[13:39] <GridCube> !iphone
[13:39] <Lazar> I wrote some bash scripts to use vga switcheroo to fix issues with amd / intel config
[13:39] <albi> thanks GridCube
[13:39] <albi> if i have a usb stick with xubuntu on
[13:39] <albi> and i run the live copy of it
[13:39] <albi> and install software on it
[13:39] <GridCube> that is not persistant
[13:39] <albi> Aw
[13:40] <albi> I'd like a fully portable OS
[13:40] <GridCube> however you can install xubuntu TO the usb drive from another usb drive
[13:40] <GridCube> :D
[13:40] <albi> xD
[13:40] <albi> Then I can plugin and play?
[13:40] <albi> so to speak
[13:40] <flux242> weren't there a persistent start option for a live cd?
[13:40] <GridCube> yes, if you dont do weird things to it, yes
[13:40] <Lazar> Yup, thats great :D you can ran it on allmost all machines
[13:40] <nonya> i have a portable xubuntu
[13:40] <albi> Okay :)
[13:41] <albi> I'm gunna install tails
[13:41] <Lazar> Use lili on windows to create this
[13:41] <albi> on my usb
[13:41] <nonya> nothing to it just installed it to a usb drive
[13:41] <Lazar> Linux live installer (lili)
[13:41] <nonya> also have a lubuntu on flash drive BRB
[13:42] <albi> happy easter all btw
[13:42] <albi> :)
[13:42] <Lazar> You too, in my country thats tomorow
[13:42] <Lazar> Thanks
[13:42] <albi> It is for me too but you know
[13:42] <albi> :P
[13:42] <Lazar> :D
[13:42] <albi> I just baked an awesome cake with the gf
[13:42] <albi> just made chocolate jesus on a cross as well xD
[13:43] <Lazar> LooL
[13:43] <Lazar> :D
[13:43] <Lazar> Im out
[13:43] <albi> bye :)
[13:43] <23LAAFBCU> white chocolate?
[13:43] <Lazar> See you guys
[13:43] <23LAAFBCU> lmao jk
[13:43] <albi> sec 23LAAFBCU
[13:43] <albi> I'll upload it
[13:44] <flux242> yep, the docu says that a live image can be easily made persistant
[13:45] <albi> time to find dropbox
[13:46] <albi> pic sending now
[13:47] <GridCube> !ot | :)
[13:51] <davelarge> GridCube - thanks for the tip about Orage clock. I'll use that instead. :-)
[13:51] <GridCube> :)
[13:51] <albi> trying to get my file to uplaod is making me sad XD
[13:53] <albi> Does anyone here have an android phone that they camera upload and sync the files onto xubuntu?
[13:54] <GridCube> nope
[13:55] <albi> hmm
[13:55] <albi> I'd like to stop using drobox
[13:56] <GridCube> albi, :) please move the topic to #xubuntu-ot this channel if for support issues :)
[13:56] <GridCube> #xubuntu-offtopic that is
[13:56] <albi> but it's related to the usage of it :p
[13:56] <albi> ok though
[13:58] <flux242> So, xubuntu 14.04 has one panel by default now? Should it be empty after installation or it just for me?
[14:13] <GridCube> if you did and upgrade your panels should remain indentical to what ever your earlier config was
[14:14] <GridCube> if you want to have the default setting then delete the ~/.config/xfce4/panel files and let them respawn ofyour next logn
[14:31] <ts14ic> Hello again : )
[14:32] <flux242> GridCube: No, I'm asking if the panel is empty after clean install
[14:32] <GridCube> its not
[14:36] <flux242> GridCube: what is in it?
[14:37] <GridCube> flux242, http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/
[14:39] <flux242> hm, i had to manually add items to it
[14:39] <nhoj> flux242, Settings -> Panel -> Items gives a list if there is anything running there
[14:39] <flux242> but i do not use official installation cd to avoid bloatware installed by default
[14:40] <flux242> installation image i mean
[14:41] <GridCube> what
[14:41] <james0r> digging this numix theme. this inspired by the default unity theme?
[14:41] <GridCube> then you are not using xubuntu, just basic ubuntu with xfce over it
[14:42] <flux242> yep, ftw
[14:42] <nonya> so how do I sync Iphone 4s tried the link earlier it made no sense I need a step by step way please been cutting hair
[14:43] <flux242> but it worked previously with 12.04, 12.10,13.04,13.10. I men panels were filled with items
[14:44] <nhoj> flux242, well, you know how to add things to the panel -- you are good to go but you are not running xubuntu.
[14:45] <ts14ic> Is anyone concerned about volume indicator behavior in Xubuntu 14.04? I mean, this mpris2 stuff. e.g. Pressing the play button would cause the volume menu to expand and scroll indicator would appear on the top and bottom of the menu, which is okay. But entering this menu the next time, will result in the menu to be misplaced, a part of the menu will go below the panel.
[14:45] <ts14ic> http://i.imgur.com/UyZdqmF.png
[14:45] <ts14ic> A screenshot
[14:46] <flux242> but maybe this was fixed in the last week. They have patched a lot in the last week even the kernel.
[14:46] <albi> hey guys, I'm having a really weird problem with my sound... There's a constant groaning buzz
[14:46] <albi> when I mute the speakers its fine
[14:47] <flux242> btw why did they discard bottom panel?
[14:48] <ts14ic> I think, because those items went to whisker menu
[14:48] <albi> no
[14:49] <ts14ic> Back to my question, there is no mosplacement, if the panel is kept on the top.
[14:49] <ts14ic> misplacement*
[14:49] <nhoj> flux242, I enjoyed xfce4 when I used it without ubuntu on Debian.  You might get better support from the xfce forums on irc or xfce.org
[14:50] <flux242> nhoj: my questions are xubuntu related if you haven't noticed
[14:51] <nhoj> flux242, my apologies.  I did notice that it appeared that you were not running xubuntu. Sorry for any misunderstanding
[14:54] <GridCube> flux242, you have stated that you have NOT installed xubuntu, but rather ubuntu+xfce, that is not xubuntu
[14:54] <dpostoronc> hi guys, I just installed xubuntu 14.10 and I can't find the bottom panel, that used to be with version 13.10
[14:54] <GridCube> please join #xfce or #ubuntu if you need support on any of them separadetly, if you do not want to use xubuntu you are absolutelly free to not doing it so
[14:54] <dpostoronc> was it completely removed?
[14:55] <GridCube> dpostoronc, its not there anymore
[14:55] <GridCube> whiskersmenu provrides easy access to favourite applications already
[14:55] <dpostoronc> ah, I see
[14:56] <GridCube> having an extra panel for favourite applications would be redundant
[14:57] <flux242> GridCube: so? I could even run windows xp. But it doesn't mean that I cannot ask something about xubuntu. Do you have problem with it?
[14:57] <dpostoronc> thanks GridCube
[14:57] <GridCube> flux242, yes, you are refusing to install xubuntu-desktop
[14:57] <larrypg> might just be my setup (don't remember if I did anything special) but I have a bottom panel
[14:57] <dpostoronc> larrypg, you probably did an upgrade? I installed it from scratch
[14:58] <flux242> GridCube: wrong
[14:58] <larrypg> dpostoronc, yes I did an upgrade
[15:00] <GridCube> larrypg, if you upgraded the panels remain as you had them setted
[15:01] <larrypg> that makes sense
[15:01] <GridCube> flux242, if you had installed the xubuntu-desktop you would have already all your panel and default applications properly installed, you refuse to install it because you dont want "bloatware" then you refuse to install what makes xubuntu xubuntu, then you complain about your xfce not being xubuntu. See the problem here?
[15:05] <dpostoronc> GridCube, when making the panel display 2 rows, the "start" button stays really small and it's quite hard to hit
[15:06] <dpostoronc> do you know if it is possible to double the size of the "start" button as well?
[15:06] <flux242> GridCube: see, it was you who said bloaware makes xubuntu xubuntu
[15:08] <dpostoronc> .
[15:09] <GridCube> dpostoronc, http://i.imgur.com/5jzYY2x.png
[15:09] <GridCube> flux242, i will not continue this argument
[15:10] <GridCube> dpostoronc, the size of the icon depends on the size of the panel you set up, if its 32px then the icon will be for 32px, but the double panel will be 64px
[15:11] <flux242> btw, I've noticed that 14.04 doesn't take into account panel space placing icons on the desktop. So icons are covered by the panel if it is placed on the top.
[15:11] <heikkiket> bluesabre: I close laptop lid, machine hibernates, I open the lid maybe an hour later, screen lock askes password, I type it and remove lock, screen blanks.
[15:12] <dpostoronc> GridCube,  the problem is, at least in the horizontal setup, the button height == height of one row
[15:12] <nhoj> flux242, Please stop and consider.  This channel is focused on providing support for folks who are trying to install and use xubuntu. It now seems that you want to start an argument with a very helpful person who is clearly very responsive to those who are focused on the channel's purpose.
[15:12] <heikkiket> bluesabre: so I guess screen lock doesn't tell to the powermanager that screen should restore itself from sleep/hibernation/whatever
[15:12] <GridCube> heikkiket, there is an issue whit lightlocker if you still have xscreensaver installed, the screen power is not restored properly
[15:13] <dpostoronc> GridCube, so even if I have two rows, no matter what the size, it stays quite small... I guess what I want is instead of having a 1x1 icon, to have it 2x2, big square :)
[15:13] <J450n> hello
[15:14] <GridCube> press the windows key and the letter t, and type xrandr -s 1024x768, that will restart the screen, ofcourse at 1024x768, but thats the safest res i know works everywhere
[15:14] <flux242> nhoj: I've installed and are using xubuntu.
[15:14] <GridCube> heikkiket, ^
[15:14] <J450n> im using sublime text 2 and i press ctrl + alt and a black screen appear
[15:14] <heikkiket> GridCube: I solved the problem by removing light-locker and installing xscreensaver. My installation was new, not updated, but home folder and settings are old. Anyway it's working now, but bluesabre wanted to know more about my situation
[15:14] <holstein> flux242: cheers.. just ask a question if you have one.. otherwise, enjoy the #xubuntu-offtopic channel for chat.. thanks!
[15:15] <nhoj> flux242, enjoy! Sorry I don't understand you issue with the the panel.
[15:15] <GridCube> heikkiket, oh, alright, its a known issue, if you could add to the bug report that information it would be helpful https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[15:16] <flux242> nhoj: I've noticed that 14.04 doesn't take into account panel space placing icons on the desktop. So icons are covered by the panel if it is placed on the top.
[15:17] <holstein> flux242: have you chaged the reserved space setting? is this true of a fresh user config for you? can you test with the guest account?
[15:18] <GridCube> dpostoronc, you could workaround it, add 2 panels, one for the menu alone and the other for the two row panel
[15:21] <GridCube> heikkiket, http://i.imgur.com/oL84FMH.png
[15:22] <GridCube> sorry that was for dpostoronc
[15:22] <flux242> holstein: where is this setting?
[15:23] <heikkiket> GridCube: I wrote a short comment about my situation: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736/comments/20
[15:23] <GridCube> excellent heikkiket any apport is helpful
[15:23] <holstein> flux242: i havent needed to find it, recently.. is it the case that things are the same in the guest account?
[15:24] <holstein> flux242: using the guest account or another user will determine if the issue is system related or user account config related
[15:24] <heikkiket> GridCube: I don't know how to create apport when it doesn't pop up to my screen. And I don't have light-locker anymore. I can of course install it, if it helps and if there is some simple how to guide to bug reporting
[15:26] <GridCube> heikkiket, well now that you don't have it anymore its harder, but its usually enought to do "ubuntu-bug packagename"
[15:27] <GridCube> heikkiket, that bug report says the issue is on xfce4-power-manager, so you should be able to do ubuntu-bug xfce4-power-manager
[16:02] <amigamagic> hi, I'm on a 14.04 installed from a daily development iso from one week ago... Now, if I do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it will tell me that it's going to update "bsdutils libblkid1 libmount1 libuuid1 mount oxideqt-codecs-extra util-linux  uuid-runtime" packages. What should I do?
[16:03] <amigamagic> I wonder if there are some little differences between the daily from 5-6 days ago and the official one released to the public... When it was... Yesterday?
[16:06] <manish> Hey pros, while installing xubuntu 14.04 (fresh install).....the "running post-installation triggers for update-notifier-blablabla" took just so long, almost 30 minutes. I saw something  written "failed" at couple of places on the console....although the installation finally completed, i'm worried its not a PURE & CLEAN installation...is there something i can do to check if my installation is proper???
[16:08] <holstein> amigamagic: you will be able to upgrade to currect 14.04 now
[16:08] <holstein> amigamagic: if you want to update to current, upgrade.
[16:08] <amigamagic> holstein, so "there are" some differences...
[16:09] <holstein> manish: i would start with testing my hard drive in that case
[16:09] <holstein> amigamagic: the package versions.. yes.. and in a few weeks, there will be differences between now and then
[16:09] <manish> till now, everything seems fine :)
[16:09] <holstein> amigamagic: as updates come in, they are made available, and you can update to them, and they are "different"
[16:10] <amigamagic> holstein, so do you  suggest me to do the dist-upgrade?
[16:10] <holstein> amigamagic: if you want the updates, you'll need to accept them
[16:11] <holstein> amigamagic: if you dont, dont.. its not recommended that run out of date, unpatched software
[16:12] <holstein> amigamagic: what do i do? i run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" .. i do this to get the most current updated packages made freely available to me/us from the repos
[16:12] <gabriel_> Hey all, Wnated to know what causes all of my laptops fan to work at full blast everytime i come out of suspend with xubuntu 14.04?
[16:13] <holstein> gabriel_: usually that is driver support related when i see that.. you can try actually alternate graphics drivers.. but, i would try looking for and applying updates. sometimes a newer kernel and make or break that support
[16:13] <manish> by the way, in my other computer, after I installed xubuntu 14.04, i noticed that the Ctrl+Shift+U+<hexcode> is not working... :( Googling was not fruitful... can anyone tell me how to make the Ctrl+Shift+U+<hexcode> work???
[16:14] <GridCube> manish, it should be working, try testing it on a guest session
[16:14] <amigamagic> holstein, so you are saying that if I don't do a dist-upgrade from 14.04 daily dev, to 14.04 official, I will not see anymore updates from the "update-manager" process?
[16:14] <gabriel_> holstein, Thanks mate
[16:19] <manish> okay...there's yet another problem...the keyboard layout panel plugin for 14.04 is just too much simple, with too less options...I remember, in 13.10, I could add layouts, change compose key, all from that panel-plugin....now all it offers "image/text", "global/local"  thats it nothing more
[16:19] <23LAAFBCU> the new menu seems buggy still. As soon as I hid a couple of the default entries like "xubuntu website" and "about xfce".  After doing this more entries appeared in the root of the menu, including "File manager" and "Run Program".  When I hide these entries, they also vanish from within the "Accessories" folder.
[16:22] <23LAAFBCU> it sort of crushed all my hope for a new menu editor that works and isn't confusing
[16:23] <manish> yeah, old menu was better
[16:24] <brainwash_> you can install and use the old one
[16:24] <brainwash_> it's called "alacarte"
[16:24] <manish> already done :p
[16:24] <23LAAFBCU> I upgraded to 14.04....and my menu doesnt appear any different...but the new editor doesnt seem any more reliable
[16:24] <23LAAFBCU> yeah alacarte didnt work at all for me
[16:25] <brainwash_> so, the new one seems to be a small improvement then :P
[16:25] <23LAAFBCU> every program i added a link to ended up in "Other" instead of the category I put it in
[16:26] <brainwash_> did you specify the category for your new entries?
[16:26] <23LAAFBCU> So far to me it seems equally disfunctional so far
[16:27] <23LAAFBCU> well alacarte is uninstalled now, I'
[16:27] <brainwash_> without adding at least one (valid) category it will end up in "other"
[16:27] <23LAAFBCU> I'm pretty sure i created the entries in the right category...they just don't show up
[16:28] <brainwash_> I suggest that you file a bug report, you can find known issues here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre
[16:28] <23LAAFBCU> I've tried LXME too
[16:29] <23LAAFBCU> which is terrible
[16:33] <Aurvandill> hello
[16:33] <GridCube> 23LAAFBCU, if you upgraded you dont have the new panel layout, that means you have not replaced the standard xfce menu with the whiskers-menu
[16:33] <GridCube> hola Aurvandill
[16:34] <23LAAFBCU> ahh ok....how can i switch to the new whiskers menu...and then how do I also switch back in case I hate it?  :P
[16:36] <23LAAFBCU> ohh nvm dumb question i found it
[16:38] <TripleXubuntu> hello. im using 2 monitors on Xubuntu and the log screen is ugly, it uses the resolution of the smaller monitor for both screens
[16:38] <23LAAFBCU> hmm its almost like the win 7 menu or even the KDE launcher, except with alot less suck...I like it
[16:38] <TripleXubuntu> is there a fix to this?
[16:39] <Aurvandill> mybe in the options of your graphic drivers tool
[16:39] <Aurvandill> maybe*
[16:40] <Aurvandill> i thin if you're using flgrx you can change this in the amd catalyst control center
[16:40] <Aurvandill> think*
[16:40] <TripleXubuntu> hmm, im using HD4000 graphics (intel integrated) and just using whatever driver it came with
[16:43] <SunilJoshi> Helo, i need to make super + d as shortcut to desktop. But its not persistent after reboot
[16:45] <23LAAFBCU> triple do you mean the boot splash that comes up after grub2?
[16:46] <Araneidae> I've just upgraded to 14.04 and my keyboard configuration is all messed up!
[16:47] <Araneidae> To start with the simplest thing, my keyboard mapping seems to be wrong, for example typing # produces \
[16:47] <Aurvandill> Araneidae read the release note there is a solution
[16:47] <Araneidae> ahhh.
[16:47] <Araneidae> I keep losing the ability to click on things
[16:47] <GridCube> Araneidae, please read the release notes :) http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/
[16:47] <Araneidae> Can't bring up the browser at the moemnt
[16:48] <Araneidae> Crap crap.  How?!
[16:48] <GridCube> that is a different issue though
[16:48] <Araneidae> Ah well, will go and get another machine to help me with that
[16:48] <Araneidae> Really, I don't seem to be able to click on anything at the moment!
[16:48] <GridCube> weird
[16:48] <Araneidae> Yep, clicking does nothing
[16:49] <Araneidae> I'll try another mouse...
[16:49] <Aurvandill> are you using a R.A.T. mouse because there are fix for this problem
[16:49] <Araneidae> Nope, no difference.  I get the hover over effects, but no clicks
[16:50] <Araneidae> Yes, I am using a RAT, but I plugged in an ordinary mouse and have the same problem now
[16:50] <GridCube> Araneidae, that IS unusual
[16:50] <Araneidae> Maybe the RAT has messed things up...
[16:50] <Aurvandill> wait i search for the fix wait a moment
[16:50] <Araneidae> Ok.  I switched away to Ctrl-Alt-F1 and back again, and I have control back
[16:51] <Araneidae> I won't click with my rat until Aurvandill says something!
[16:52] <Araneidae> Bug 1284635 looks like my keyboard layout bug
[16:52] <GridCube> Araneidae, as said, know issue, the mouse, not so much
[16:53] <23LAAFBCU> Ok the whiskers menu seems to reverse itself when you move it from one half of the panel to the other.  If it's on the side of the screen it lists the categories on the right side and the contents of the categories on the left..  this feels backwards to me because I read left to right.
[16:53] <Araneidae> Am looking for the keyboard fix first, as hopefully that's easy
[16:53] <23LAAFBCU> Is there a way to specify the orientation of the whiskers menu?
[16:53] <Aurvandill> Araneidae you must edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:53] <Aurvandill> and add the following
[16:53] <Aurvandill> Section "InputClass"
[16:53] <Aurvandill>         Identifier "Mouse Remap"
[16:53] <Aurvandill>         MatchProduct "Saitek Cyborg R.A.T.7 Mouse"
[16:53] <Aurvandill>         MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*"
[16:53] <Aurvandill>         Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 0 0 0 0 0"
[16:53] <Aurvandill> EndSection
[16:53] <Araneidae> Aurvandill, ok, am following
[16:54] <GridCube> !pastebin | Aurvandill
[16:54] <Araneidae> Ahhh.  My xorg.conf has been erased!
[16:54] <GridCube> Aurvandill, i would not recommed touching config files using a faulty keyboard
[16:54] <GridCube> and yes, xorg.conf gets erased by the upgrade
[16:55] <Aurvandill> oh yeah xD
[16:55] <GridCube> if you had such
[16:55] <Aurvandill> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7285279/
[16:55] <Araneidae> Ok, that'll be the mouse sorted.  Thanks.  The keyboard isn't so messed up that I can't fix the mouse
[16:55] <Aurvandill> maybe he should fix the keyboard first
[16:55] <Araneidae> I'd love to, but can't find the relevant workaround ... can't actually seem to find the release notes!
[16:55]  * Araneidae is being blind
[16:55] <tsavong> I'm getting a black screen on boot from a live xubuntu 14.04 usb.. any tips for getting that figured out? Plain Ubuntu 14.04 works fine
[16:56] <Aurvandill> Araneidae wait a moment i'm posting a link to it
[16:56] <Araneidae> I've got the news page that GridCube linked to ...and there's a link to downloads, but can't see anything further
[16:56] <Aurvandill> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/1284635
[16:57] <Aurvandill> the last of the known bugs is your problem
[16:57] <Aurvandill> with the keyboard
[16:57] <Araneidae> Yes, I've got that ... but is there a workaround in that conversation?
[16:58] <Aurvandill> look at #19
[16:58] <Aurvandill> the first way is the solution
[16:58] <Araneidae> Remove ibus?  Ok, if that's what needs to be done.  What does it do?
[16:59] <Aurvandill> "iBus appears to be some kind of new input device manager. I assume this is not yet configured to learn the installed language."
[16:59] <Araneidae> and apt-cache has something equally woolly to say
[17:00] <tsavong> derp nevermind.. it seems to boot to a  black screen after doing a disc check =/
[17:01] <Aurvandill> Araneidae, a here is also something for your mouse if the first thing didn't work try to add this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7285310/ instead of the other
[17:02] <Araneidae> Ok, ibus duly binned, will restart X.  Aurvandill, thanks for the help.  The xorg.conf that you first posted exactly matched my original version, but I'll grab a copy of what you've just posed before I restart X.
[17:02] <Araneidae> Interesting, that's a bit different.
[17:03] <Aurvandill> this longer version is working for all buttons of my rat 9
[17:03] <Araneidae> On my previous install (13.10) I had an annoying problem with the R.A.T. -- it would sometimes disconnect when I move it very rapidly in a game.
[17:03] <Araneidae> Hope this bug is fixed...
[17:03] <Araneidae> The USB layer would drop the mouse and reconnect it.  Very odd.
[17:04] <Araneidae> Grrr.  paste.ubuntu.com forces me to login if I want to download the raw text!
[17:05] <Araneidae> Right, going to restart X, will report back on status
[17:06] <Araneidae> Much better, thanks very much.
[17:13] <SunilJoshi> Helo, i need to make super + d as shortcut to desktop. But its not persistent after reboot
[17:14] <Aurvandill> !patience
[17:15] <Araneidae> BTW, finally found the "release notes" link, staring me in the face (well, somewhat staring)
[17:17] <Araneidae> An old issue, not part of my upgrade: I have a static IP configured, but I seem to still be using Network Manager ... and it takes *forever* to reconnect on wakeup after suspend.  Should I just ditch Network Manager?
[17:18] <Araneidae> SunilJoshi, I think your problem sounds just like bug 1292290
[17:20] <SunilJoshi> Araneidae: Yup exactly! It has a work around too :) .. reading..
[17:21] <SunilJoshi> Araneidae: Thanks!
[17:22] <Araneidae> :)
[17:43] <tailss> decrease the level of brightness in xubuntu 13.10
[17:43] <tailss> how can i do it ?
[17:45] <Aurvandill> no monitor settings for it?
[17:45] <tailss> not because i ve xubuntu in a notebook
[17:46] <Aurvandill> or at the configuration tool of graphic driver?
[17:46] <Aurvandill> with flgrx you can change it in the catalyst control center
[17:46] <tailss> nvidia tool is a app with risk for me when i setting something since this tool
[17:47] <tailss> i wanted a pp for do it
[17:47] <tailss> a app
[17:47] <tailss> without nvidia
[17:47] <Araneidae> I just had to enter my password after leaving the machine unattended ... and this behaviour is *not* enable in the screen saver config.
[17:48] <Araneidae> "Lock Screen After" is not checked, and this behaviour is new after upgrading
[17:49] <tailss> is  flgrx a app with gui ?
[17:49] <Araneidae> I'll see if removing xscreensaver has any impact.
[17:52] <tailss> i can using the applet brightness for xfce in the panel of xubuntu but i want to salve the settings of shine  forever and i dont know  in xubuntu
[17:54] <dee_> So what are your opinions on xubuntu 14.04
[17:54] <bekks> Opnions are part of the offtopic ;)
[17:55] <tailss> i cant upgrade to xubuntu 14 lts because my server dont send me the new version of xubuntu
[17:56] <Aurvandill> tailss flgr is the driver for amd cards and it comes with a gui for configuration
[17:56] <tailss> i ve nvidia card
[17:57] <tailss> but i wont to usethe nvidia tool for this
[17:58] <tailss> i wantes a app like gnome2 in the power -energy-manager with the option of settings of shine and the option salve
[17:58] <tailss> i wanted
[17:59] <Aurvandill> tailss nvidia-settings hae no gui? O.o
[17:59] <tailss> i wnot using nvidia tools for doing that
[17:59] <tailss> i wont
[18:00] <tailss> the nvidia settings tools has a gui very cool
[18:00] <Aurvandill> tailss maybe you can use xblacklight to change the brightness
[18:01] <tailss> my card dont support the comand xblack
[18:01] <tailss> the comand
[18:01] <Aurvandill> sudo apt-get install xbacklight
[18:02] <Aurvandill> and after this xblacklight -set 50
[18:02] <Aurvandill> or first i would try xblacklight -h to see the commands
[18:03] <Aurvandill> maybe you look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1815228&p=11113041#post11113041
[18:04] <Aurvandill> this may help you
[18:04] <Aurvandill> but i don't know if this work for you
[18:04] <tailss> No se ha encontrado la orden «xblacklight», quizás quiso decir:  La orden «xbacklight» del paquete «xbacklight» (universe) xblacklight: no se encontró la orden
[18:06] <tailss> xbacklight dont work with my gpu card
[18:06] <Aurvandill> mhm :/
[18:06] <tailss> xbacl light dont work with the nvidia cards
[18:07] <tailss> i remember it
[18:10] <tailss> s.o.s i cant using a app for low the shine and salve it
[18:14] <tailss> how low the shine in xubuntu and salve the seeting??
[18:15] <tailss> the setting
[18:24] <GridCube> tailss, hay un complemento para el panel llamado "complemento de brillo" intentaste usar eso?
[18:25] <GridCube> tambien podes usar #ubuntu-es para preguntar en español, este canal es en ingles primariamente, y no voy a seguir usando español acá, si queres que te de una mano pasate al otro canal, o seguimos acá en ingles
[18:25] <tailss> si lo estoy usando el brighness applet para xfce pero esto no guarda los ajustes del brillo
[18:25] <GridCube> no idea
[18:26] <tailss>  I am using the applet to xfce brighness but this does not save the brightness settings
[18:27] <GridCube> as said, no idea, you can also use the xgamma value to change the brightness, like xgamma -gamma 0.8
[18:29] <tailss> from nvidia tools settings i can using xgamma bright but i wont using this tool of nvidia for salving the settings of shine because is a risk
[18:30] <GridCube> xgamma is global, not a particular hardware software
[18:31] <tailss> $ xgamma -> Red  1.000, Green  1.000, Blue  1.000
[18:31] <GridCube> yes, if you do xgamma -gamma 0.8 it will set them all to 0.8
[18:31] <tailss> the parameter for setting the bright with xgamma ???
[18:32] <tailss> and salve it??
[18:32] <GridCube> you can make an executable and add it your startup of applications
[18:33] <GridCube> and make a shortcut for xgamma -gamma 1 for when you want it more bright
[18:34] <tailss> ok i will use nvidia tools settings although be a risk because i wont more work hard in my xubuntu
[18:36] <GridCube> as you wish
[18:37] <tailss> i waish a distro of linux or debian made for being very easy
[18:37] <tailss> i wish
[18:49] <xubuntu783> ò
[18:58] <TripleXubuntu> is there a way to get flash video full screen on one monitor with the other monitor free to work on?
[18:59] <TripleXubuntu> trying to get fullscreen on the 15" monitor and work on the 27"
[19:00] <TripleXubuntu> also, fullscreening on the 15" makes the video the resolution of the 27", only shows part of the video
[19:00] <23LAAFBCU> Ok I have a recent Xubuntu install on an old machine, and for some reason it began prompting me for a password after resume, or locking the screen.  I can't for the life of me find where to disable it.  After doublechecking the settings several times, i finally uninstalled light-locker, xscreensaver, and xfce-power-management, it still prompts me for a password.  Before I reformat the hard drive to rid myself of this, is
[19:00] <23LAAFBCU> there any other settings I can check or a way to disable this?
[19:02] <23LAAFBCU> this happened with 13.10, I updated to 14.04 and it still does it.
[19:02] <starrats> did you check off the 'require password' prompt when installing it 23LAAFBCU?
[19:03] <23LAAFBCU> i have lightdm set for autologin, i dont recall if i did it during the install process but its set for that now
[19:03] <23LAAFBCU> it doesnt prompt me when i boot up, just after i suspend and resume
[19:04] <23LAAFBCU> i dont have this problem with any other xubuntu install..it's so weird
[19:04] <starrats> ah okay
[19:05] <TripleXubuntu> im in a similar boat, LightLocker keeps turning itself back on
[19:05] <23LAAFBCU> i also tried commenting out the three methods of locking the screen in the file /usr/bin/xflock, no luck
[19:05] <23LAAFBCU> i was able to trun of lightlocker
[19:05] <23LAAFBCU> turn off*
[19:05] <starrats> did you two report this to the #xubuntu-devel team channel?
[19:05] <23LAAFBCU> no
[19:06] <starrats> don't use team though when joinging
[19:06] <23LAAFBCU> I dont have this issue with other xubuntu installs i have
[19:06] <starrats> joining
[19:06] <23LAAFBCU> so i dont know if its some kind of configurating think i somehow caused....but its a rather fresh install and i havent done much with it
[19:07] <23LAAFBCU> im just wondering what else might be responsible if ive ruled out power management, xscreensaver, and light-locker by removing them
[19:09] <starrats> you should report it that channel
[19:10] <23LAAFBCU> ok, I just thought I should run it by teir 1 tech support before I assume it's a bug : P
[19:10] <starrats> they might have the solution for you already
[19:11] <23LAAFBCU> google wasn't very helpful...very many related yet unrelated posts all over the place...
[19:13] <starrats> go to that channel and ask them
[19:22] <volkan> Hey, After restart by brightness level is not the previous value. How can I fix this problem?
[19:23] <Aurvandill> how did you set the brightness?
[19:24] <volkan> Aurvandill, FN+F7
[19:25] <Aurvandill> maybe you try to set it in the tool of your graphic driver
[19:25] <Aurvandill> like nvidia-settings or catalyst control center for flgrx
[19:26] <Aurvandill> nvidia settings for the nvidia driver
[19:28] <Aurvandill> or maybe you're making a script which runs "xgamma -gamma 0.8" every boot
[19:30] <kupo_> fn+f7 opens thunderbird for me
[19:38] <kupo_> anyone know how to have conky autostart on all workspaces?
[19:38] <kupo_> seems like a weird thing to do
[19:52] <zsw_> im back
[19:52] <Guest84117> wb
[19:58] <McManiaC> hey, i just upgraded to 14.04 and my xfce does not show my systray icons anymore (wifi, dropbox etc)
[19:58] <McManiaC> any idea why not?
[20:00] <CosmoX> XFCE Bug ?
[20:01] <CosmoX> Update is not worked
[20:01] <CosmoX> correctly
[20:02] <Unit193> McManiaC: Was it removed from the panel?  What items (Right click > Panel > Panel preferences > Items) do you have?
[20:04] <McManiaC> Unit193: notification area is the one right?
[20:05] <Unit193> Yes.
[20:05] <McManiaC> yup it's there
[20:05] <McManiaC> ie not removed
[20:06] <Aurvandill> good night everyone
[20:09] <Unit193> Could try clearing out some files in .cache/ or .config/, but I don't know, mine just worked™
[20:10] <Unit193> If you haven't disabled the guest user, that'd be a good one to see if it's your config.
[20:11] <McManiaC> k ill try
[20:11] <McManiaC> the guest thing
[20:31] <antonemeo> can sby tell me how to mount usb in tty (command)?
[20:44] <crimsondusk> hey, i'm using 13.10 (still yet to upgrade, waiting the release to mature for a little bit), where does xfce store the main menu?
[20:44] <crimsondusk> i cannot seem to be able to add new items
[20:45] <knome> crimsondusk, i'd upgrade to 14.04, then use menulibre to edit the menu
[20:46] <crimsondusk> oh okay, that's changed
[20:46] <crimsondusk> i guess i should go do that then
[20:46] <knome> crimsondusk, but briefly, ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[20:46] <zsw_>  i tried useing recovery mode to recover my password but it just says minapulation error
[20:46] <knome> crimsondusk, and (modified) launchers in ~/.local/share/applications
[20:47] <crimsondusk> thank you very much
[20:47] <knome> np... but really, try menulibre, it's much better than manual editing ;)
[20:47] <knome> (even though it has bugs as well...)
[20:47] <crimsondusk> i'll be sure to try that when i get 14.04 up
[20:48] <zsw_> oh hi knome
[20:48] <knome> hello.
[20:48] <peyam> crimsondusk, by known reason menulibre will not work on 13.10. you will be force to do some changes
[20:48] <zsw_>  i tried useing recovery mode to recover my password but it just says minapulation error
[20:49] <crimsondusk> mmh well i'll add this item with the hands-on approach
[20:49] <crimsondusk> i'm gonna upgrade to 14.04 soon anyway
[20:49] <peyam> okej :)
[20:49] <peyam> crimsondusk, so far 14.04 has been awesome for me
[20:50] <crimsondusk> what's new in 14.04 aside from menulibre?
[20:50] <zsw_>  i tried useing recovery mode to recover my password but it just says minapulation error
[20:50] <knome> crimsondusk, check the release announcement
[20:50] <antonemeo> who can tell me the command for copying files to mounted usb in tty?
[20:50] <knome> !patience | zsw_
[20:50] <zsw_> knome you got any tips?
[20:50] <peyam> crimsondusk, new kernel. software update.. there are in release notes
[20:50] <knome> antonemeo, where is it mounted?
[20:50] <crimsondusk> i'll look it up
[20:51] <McManiaC> Unit193: idk, i cleared the xfce .cache and .config directories, and i think the systray works but neither wifi nor dropbox nor any other icons show up
[20:51] <crimsondusk> oh cool xscreensaver's replaced
[20:51] <antonemeo> knome, /media/newhd
[20:51] <crimsondusk> i've found it annoying
[20:51] <McManiaC> Unit193: the only systray icon which shows up is the keyboard layout thing
[20:51] <McManiaC> Unit193: so it *works*, but :/
[20:51] <knome> antonemeo, and what do you want to copy there?
[20:51] <peyam> crimsondusk, never used xscreensaver.. I always uncheck them on startup. Idk what it does
[20:51] <crimsondusk> it's a screensaver + screen locker
[20:51] <peyam> what is a screensaver?
[20:52] <Unit193> McManiaC: Dropbox and nm-applet are normally in indicator-application.
[20:52] <crimsondusk> i've had problems with it, the login prompt doesn't want to cooperate at times
[20:52] <antonemeo> knome, home
[20:52] <crimsondusk> peyam, heh..?
[20:52] <knome> antonemeo, basically, 'cp -R /home/user /media/newhd'
[20:52] <peyam> crimsondusk, I never tried to find out. nether in windows in my earliers days
[20:52] <knome> antonemeo, that creates a "user" directory to the root of "media/newhd"
[20:52] <knome> +/
[20:52] <crimsondusk> oh well it's just an animation on the screen while the screen is idle
[20:53] <peyam> ahaa
[20:53] <crimsondusk> looks like an awesome release indeed.. i'll have to upgrade soon
[20:54] <zsw_>  i tried useing recovery mode to recover my password but it just says minapulation error. anyone have a suggestion?
[20:54] <peyam> never liked animations
[20:54] <crimsondusk> i don't particularly care for them
[20:54] <knome> zsw_, i've told you to patiently wait. please stop repeating.
[20:54] <crimsondusk> since i don't really see them very much anyway :P
[20:55] <McManiaC> Unit193: ie. ?
[20:55] <antonemeo> knome, no allowance
[20:56] <zsw_> knome, okay i understand
[20:56] <knome> antonemeo, 'sudo chmod user:user /media/newhd' should help, or alternatively, run the cp command with sudo
[21:01] <antonemeo> lmome, no allowance
[21:02] <antonemeo> knome, no allowance
[21:03] <knome> antonemeo, are you sure it's mounted properly?
[21:04] <Unit193> McManiaC: Normally in the "Indicator plugin", is that enabled and showing?
[21:07] <antonemeo> knome, did work but needed time and answered 'no memory space'
[21:08] <knome> antonemeo, so what does 'df -h' say?
[21:08] <knome> antonemeo, run 'df -h | pastebinit' and paste the URL
[21:11] <McManiaC> Unit193: aha, there it is
[21:11] <McManiaC> Unit193: but it doesnt fit into the other design at all
[21:12] <antonemeo> knome, df -h answered 100% used
[21:12] <knome> antonemeo, there you go. you don't have any free space.
[21:13] <McManiaC> Unit193: http://i.imgur.com/gibSeZg.png left is my normal panel, right the indicator plugin
[21:14] <antonemeo> knome, but there is only a 9MB-file on it - does it need to be ext4 or something - actually it is fat32 - command for formatting?
[21:15] <Unit193> McManiaC: Indeed it doesn't.  Also appears you have some sort of appmenu, which will conflict with the standard menus.  I know that problem was fixed, but not sure if it was only able to be fixed with the themes we shipped, or if it's just GTK3 updating slowly to theme changes.
[21:16] <Unit193> (I can say it does look normal here.)
[21:18] <McManiaC> Unit193: hmm with different themes at least the colors are similar
[21:19] <McManiaC> and the app menu seems to be that unity thing where the menu goes to the top panel
[21:19] <zsw_>  i tried useing recovery mode to recover my password but it just says minapulation error
[21:21] <Unit193> !info indicator-appmenu
[21:22] <McManiaC> i also cant change any of the visibility options
[21:22] <McManiaC> wtf
[21:23] <zsw_> can someone help me alredy!!! i have bin wating far a very very very long time now!!!!!!!!
[21:24] <`Fibz> use opcrack
[21:24] <knome> zsw_, please calm down.
[21:24] <knome> zsw_, maybe nobody knows the answer to your question
[21:24] <knome> antonemeo, well if it says 100% used, then it is used completely...
[21:24] <knome> antonemeo, maybe you have mounted the wrong device or partition.
[21:25] <antonemeo> it
[21:28] <antonemeo> knome, it shows me 3908100 of 3908100 used - may be to much data copied from 'home'? I'd like to format and take only useful subfolders - wich command?
[21:32] <nhoj> zsw, google might help you: try searching for example 'linux recovery mode commands to reset lost password' and you will find several methods
[21:33] <peyam> zsw_, ##linux otherwise
[21:34] <nhoj> zsw_,  google might help you: try searching for example 'linux recovery mode commands to reset lost password' and you will find several methods
[21:34] <zsw_> ok
[21:36] <crimsondusk> if all else fails you could use a livecd, mount and chroot in and reset the password with that :p
[21:37] <nhoj> yeah IIRC there was a kernel command line that gives one a shell as root or something :) old school...
[21:38] <knome> antonemeo, you can't "format" and "keep useful directories"
[21:38] <knome> antonemeo, you'll need to remove useless directories one by one
[21:39] <crimsondusk> antonemeo, if you want to format and keep useful dirs you'll need to back the useful dirs up
[21:39] <crimsondusk> the format is a nuclear bomb, those aren't selective either :p
[21:43] <antonemeo> knome, that's what I wonna do - step by step of course (first format command, then mount before back-up subfolders of 'home') - don't need the actual usb-files
[21:45] <antonemeo> knome, what is the command for formatting?
[21:46] <crimsondusk> mkfs.*
[21:46] <crimsondusk> there's one for each filesystem type
[21:57] <xubuntu773> hi
[21:58] <`Fibz> hi
[21:59] <xubuntu773> so xubuntu 14.04 is out... well, when can i upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04? i press every day "search for upgrades" but never got a message for a dist-upgrade?
[22:02] <knome> xubuntu773, the upgrade will be suggested when 14.04.1 is released
[22:03] <xubuntu773> knome: oh great, thx :) thats a good idea
[22:50] <xubuntu773> hf, cu
[23:15] <jamesmcveity> I'm wondering if full disk encryption/LVM is best practice?
[23:16] <Unit193> Depends, can cause a problem for data recovery if you have a hard drive failure with no backups.
[23:17] <jamesmcveity> I'm not specifically holding sensitive data.  Only usual personal information.
[23:18] <Unit193> It's all up to you. :)
[23:19] <jamesmcveity> I'm just trying to figure out what is most common.
[23:20] <jamesmcveity> I sync /home to some cloud storage.  So I have backups.
[23:20] <nhoj> jamesmcveity, the encryption is only one part of a very secure system -- as noted it still requirs backups and other best practices.
[23:24] <jamesmcveity> Files I create on the encrypted system can be used by others/opened for editing on other systems?
[23:25] <Cipher_> Has anyone had issues with xubuntu 14.04 missing the applications is the menus?
[23:25] <knome> Cipher_, like which applications?
[23:25] <jamesmcveity> Cipher_ No.  I haven't noticed anything.
[23:25] <Cipher_> well on the live CD i only have 2 options in the settings menu
[23:26] <knome> Cipher_, what's missing?
[23:26] <Cipher_> everything?
[23:26] <knome> Cipher_, please give an example
[23:26] <Cipher_> Ummm Users and groups
[23:26] <knome> Cipher_, did you look under the settings manager?
[23:27] <Cipher_> yes it is under that
[23:27] <knome> there you go
[23:27] <Cipher_> thats not my point tho it should be in the menu
[23:27] <knome> not in xubuntu
[23:27] <Cipher_> lots of stuff is missing
[23:27] <Cipher_> if i edit the menu i see them
[23:27] <knome> that's the way it goes; if it's shown in the settings manager, it's hidden elsewhere
[23:28] <Cipher_> Its not the way someone i know has it and he has the same thing
[23:28] <Cipher_> if i use the menu search option i can also not find it
[23:28] <knome> yes
[23:30] <Cipher_> thats make no sense
[23:42] <kupo_> what's official 14.04 xubuntu PPA?
[23:42] <kupo_> i was getting 404 on update
[23:42] <knome> kupo_, official WHAT ppa?
[23:43] <kupo_> oh. figured xubuntu team had a PPA that came along. nvm then