[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:06] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[11:12] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[12:59] <Kalidarn> would you say it is a bug with network manager
[12:59] <Kalidarn> if i enter say
[13:00] <Kalidarn> 127.0.0.1, exmaple.com
[13:00] <Kalidarn> as the DNS/DNS Search 
[13:00] <Kalidarn> it will not cut the space
[13:00] <Kalidarn> when you click on the list you'll actually get:
[13:00] <Kalidarn> 127.0.0.1
[13:00] <Kalidarn>  example.com
[13:00] <Kalidarn> and i'm pretty sure on ubuntu it does
[13:02] <Quintasan> \o
[13:03] <Quintasan> Kalidarn: I'm pretty sure you want to report that upstream (as in http://bugs.kde.org).
[13:03] <Kalidarn> yeah i am going to
[13:03] <Mamarok> dear all, something is wrong with the amarok package apparently, please see kdebug 333649
[13:03] <Kalidarn> okay it looks as if on ubuntu there's no list option
[13:04] <Mamarok> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333649
[13:04] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Looking
[13:04] <Mamarok> I closed this as downstream as there must be something worng with the dependencies installed
[13:05] <Mamarok> Quintasan: thank you :)
[13:11] <Quintasan> Mamarok: There is nothing wrong with the package itself as far I am concerned, IIRC org.kde.klauncher is provided by kde-workspace-bin in Ubuntu
[13:11] <Quintasan> Though 
[13:11] <Quintasan> Better ask the user though
[13:13] <Mamarok> I will ask him
[13:13] <Quintasan> Mamarok: I'm already writing a message with some commands I need output of
[13:15] <Kalidarn> is plasma-nm the QML one KDE 5?
[13:16] <Kalidarn> I'm assuming KDE 4.13 uses the "Network Management" product
[13:18] <soee> how to fix this in Amarok: Download of charts seems to have failed. Please check your internet connection.
[13:18] <soee> this stops Aamrok for 20 seconds to start each time
[13:18] <Quintasan> soee: I think this is a problem with the provider itself rather than Amarok
[13:18] <Kalidarn> okay no it looks like 0.9.3.3 is http://ltinkl.blogspot.com/2013/09/first-plasma-nm-release.html
[13:20] <Mamarok> soee: you shouldn't even ahve that script anymore, the Charts don't exist anymore since quite some time, and it was removed in 2.7.1 already
[13:21] <Quintasan> soee: Was it?
[13:21] <Quintasan> ah
[13:21] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Was it?
[13:21] <Mamarok> yes, seems to me like ages ago :)
[13:21]  * Quintasan looks at the package
[13:22] <Mamarok> and of course the website doesn't exist anymore either
[13:22] <Quintasan> soee: 2.8 is it?
[13:22] <soee> Mamarok: is see only Free Music Charts script and its disabled
[13:22] <soee> Quintasan: yes im on 14.04
[13:22] <Mamarok> but I can check the ChangeLog
[13:22] <soee> let me do some more tests
[13:23] <Mamarok> Quintasan: it was removed in 2.8. before beta 1
[13:24] <Mamarok> soee: that shouldn't even show up anymore, I don't have that here
[13:24] <soee> Mamarok: yo dont have this script on list ? 
[13:25] <Quintasan> soee, Mamarok: are we talking about this -> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/20/plasma-desktopDl1777.png ?
[13:26] <Mamarok> yes, that shouldn't even exist anymore, I don't see it here
[13:26] <soee> yes http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/20/amarok.jpeg
[13:27] <Mamarok> we removed this before 2.8 beta 1, at least according to the ChangeLog
[13:28] <soee> ok if this plugin is unchecke the error is gone but player needs ~10 seconds to start (show the window with all options), is it possible thet it tries to fetch some data from internet before launching all window elements ?
[13:28] <Quintasan> soee: I turned all three of those and I no longer get that message.
[13:28] <soee> Quintasan: yes i can confirm this
[13:28] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Truth be told, if it was removed from the source we would no longer have it I believe
[13:28] <Quintasan> Let me look at the package
[13:29] <Mamarok> soee: if your playlist contains internet sources, yes, then it will check those
[13:29] <soee> Mamarok: yes it have lyrics enabled 
[13:29] <soee> *has
[13:29] <Mamarok> soee: not talking about lyrics, those are only checked when yous tart playing something
[13:30] <Mamarok> I meant streams or podcasts in the active playlist
[13:30] <soee> Mamarok: and if option to autoplay is on ?
[13:30] <Mamarok> that is not the point, the content of the playlist is what I was asking for
[13:30] <Mamarok> the more there are streams and podcasts that are not local, the more it has to check for
[13:31] <Quintasan> Mamarok: src/scripts/free_music_charts_service/README
[13:31] <Quintasan> It is there in 2.8
[13:31] <soee> Mamarok: i have atm only ~5 local songs and 1 polish station
[13:32] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Generally the contents of the source of 2.8.0 are http://paste.ubuntu.com/7291581
[13:32] <soee> Mamarok: ok it seems that this polish station on the list cuses this
[13:33] <soee> after it is removed, Amarok start without any delay
[13:33] <Quintasan> soee: Well, Mamarok said that Amarok checks for the stream etc. on the startup
[13:33] <Quintasan> Though I don't like that way of doing things.
[13:35] <soee> Quintasan: yup, this is not to good, if i have this one station, Amarok starts and i see nothing on the window next 10-15 seconds
[13:36] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Do you happen do know if it's viable option to make Amarok not to check for internet sources until you try to play them?
[13:37] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1310271] systemsettings not installing, dictionaries-common is getting error @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1310271 (by sreeenu)
[13:38] <Mamarok> oh well, I guess yes, no idea why this was not implemented yet, currently it does other checks. but please check with the current git first, I know there have been a lot of changes
[13:39] <Mamarok> but the current git should show the GUI immediately, it sadly still runs a bazillion of checks in the background
[13:39] <Mamarok> currently I can't search before like 10 seconds once it is started because ti checks the database
[13:39] <Mamarok> it*
[13:40] <Mamarok> this was normally one of the things that were fixed when we implemented the GSoC projects, after 2.8.0
[13:40] <Mamarok> and current git is like 310 commits or so ahead of 2.8.0
[13:40] <Mamarok> including 4 GSoC projects that were merged
[13:41] <soee> Mamarok: when is next version planned to be released ?
[13:41] <Mamarok> markey: really, we need to release soon...
[13:41] <Mamarok> soee: we have one planned since like ages, sadly our release manager is MIA
[13:41] <Mamarok> that is why it didn't see the light yet
[13:42] <markey> we have a number of important bug fixes that should be released, yes
[13:42] <Mamarok> he started a new job
[13:43] <markey> e.g. I rewrote the opengl visualization
[13:45] <Quintasan> Mamarok: In the last 700 commits I can see some changes to playlists but nothing really grabs my attention when it comes to checking internet sources
[13:46] <Mamarok> as I said, it "should" have been fixed, because that was talked about, but ibn any case, the GUI now shows immediately
[13:46] <Mamarok> and the internet sources need to be checked if those are in the loaded playlist anyway, elese it will get a delay once you try to play it and ti doesn't work
[13:48] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Why do those have to be checked? I don't really get the logic behind it.
[13:50] <soee_> There is small issue related to loading this sources and delay, if you have volume set to 30% before the sources are checked/loaded Amarok starts to play with 100% volume, than after sources are loaded it jums to 30%
[13:51] <soee_> so it seems that some settings/configuration are applied after this sources are checked
[13:51] <Quintasan> soee_: Report that upstream if it was not reported
[13:52] <Quintasan> I'm pretty much sure noone will remember that in like 30 minutes since we are generally busy
[13:52] <soee> Quintasan: ok
[13:54] <Mamarok> the check then marks unplayable tracks grayed out
[13:56] <Quintasan> Mamarok: My main problem is with what will Amarok do when there is no network or the network is unreliable
[13:56] <Mamarok> soee: that I never even heard about
[13:56] <Mamarok> it will check and gray out the unplayable tracks, didn't I just say that?
[13:57] <Quintasan> Maybe I'm not clear enough.
[13:58] <Quintasan> Mamarok: If there is no network, will Amarok try to check for availability of the internet sources if there are any on the playlist?
[14:00] <Mamarok> no idea how the check works, you need to check that in the code, sorry
[14:01] <Quintasan> Mamarok: I see.
[14:01] <Mamarok> I guess, logically it should check if there is an internet connectiion first, then only strt checking the individual sources
[14:01] <Mamarok> if it doesn't the the check is a piece of crap
[14:01] <Mamarok> markey: ^
[14:03] <markey> I don't know anything about that at all
[14:03]  * Quintasan looks into it
[14:04] <Quintasan> I guess it will be a express KDE/Qt 101 for me
[14:04] <markey> best way to start :)
[14:12] <soee> Quintasan: the issue i mentioned might be related to this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329166
[14:13] <soee> or shall i create new bug report ?
[14:14] <Quintasan> soee: Are you able to reproduce that every time?
[14:14] <soee> Quintasan: yes, each time
[14:14] <Quintasan> If so then I think you should file a new bug and attach the file which triggers the behavior
[14:14] <Quintasan> amarok --debug output probably would be nice
[14:15] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Does Amarok have any wikipage for end users how to provide the most useful information?
[14:18] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:19] <soee> uhm, now when i tried to verify it one more time, the problem is gone
[14:19] <soee> strange
[14:19] <Quintasan> Mamarok: Fortunately enough core/meta/Meta.cpp has networkNotPlayableReason() so that rules out the possiblity of that check is crap
[14:20]  * Quintasan satisfied his curiosity
[14:20] <Quintasan> soee: Be sure to keep an eye on that
[14:21] <Quintasan> I never had that happen to me but I can imagine it's annoying to say the least.
[15:39] <Mamarok> Quintasan: what do you mean, wiki page?
[15:39] <Quintasan> Mamarok: https://community.kde.org/Amarok/Development/DebuggingHowTo
[15:39] <Quintasan> I was looking for this
[15:39] <Mamarok> ah, ok
[15:39] <Mamarok> we have that since like forever :)
[15:40] <Mamarok> long before any of the other KDE projects starting having similar ones, and even then, most don't
[18:36] <Quintasan> christ
[18:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: got a thinkpad?
[22:05] <alket> no updates since the release, thats a good sign