=== jackyalcine is now known as jacky === jacky is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as jacky === jacky is now known as Not === Not is now known as jacky === jacky is now known as Not === Not is now known as jacky [07:22] Good morning. [10:41] 'Morning folks [11:06] hi BluesKaj [11:12] hi soee [12:59] would you say it is a bug with network manager [12:59] if i enter say [13:00] 127.0.0.1, exmaple.com [13:00] as the DNS/DNS Search [13:00] it will not cut the space [13:00] when you click on the list you'll actually get: [13:00] 127.0.0.1 [13:00] example.com [13:00] and i'm pretty sure on ubuntu it does [13:02] \o [13:03] Kalidarn: I'm pretty sure you want to report that upstream (as in http://bugs.kde.org). [13:03] yeah i am going to [13:03] dear all, something is wrong with the amarok package apparently, please see kdebug 333649 [13:03] okay it looks as if on ubuntu there's no list option [13:04] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333649 [13:04] KDE bug 333649 in Playlist "everytime when i open Amarok an error is message is being displayed" [Normal,Resolved: downstream] [13:04] Mamarok: Looking [13:04] I closed this as downstream as there must be something worng with the dependencies installed [13:05] Quintasan: thank you :) [13:11] Mamarok: There is nothing wrong with the package itself as far I am concerned, IIRC org.kde.klauncher is provided by kde-workspace-bin in Ubuntu [13:11] Though [13:11] Better ask the user though [13:13] I will ask him [13:13] Mamarok: I'm already writing a message with some commands I need output of [13:15] is plasma-nm the QML one KDE 5? [13:16] I'm assuming KDE 4.13 uses the "Network Management" product [13:18] how to fix this in Amarok: Download of charts seems to have failed. Please check your internet connection. [13:18] this stops Aamrok for 20 seconds to start each time [13:18] soee: I think this is a problem with the provider itself rather than Amarok [13:18] okay no it looks like 0.9.3.3 is http://ltinkl.blogspot.com/2013/09/first-plasma-nm-release.html [13:20] soee: you shouldn't even ahve that script anymore, the Charts don't exist anymore since quite some time, and it was removed in 2.7.1 already [13:21] soee: Was it? [13:21] ah [13:21] Mamarok: Was it? [13:21] yes, seems to me like ages ago :) [13:21] * Quintasan looks at the package [13:22] and of course the website doesn't exist anymore either [13:22] soee: 2.8 is it? [13:22] Mamarok: is see only Free Music Charts script and its disabled [13:22] Quintasan: yes im on 14.04 [13:22] but I can check the ChangeLog [13:22] let me do some more tests [13:23] Quintasan: it was removed in 2.8. before beta 1 [13:24] soee: that shouldn't even show up anymore, I don't have that here [13:24] Mamarok: yo dont have this script on list ? [13:25] soee, Mamarok: are we talking about this -> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/20/plasma-desktopDl1777.png ? [13:26] yes, that shouldn't even exist anymore, I don't see it here [13:26] yes http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/20/amarok.jpeg [13:27] we removed this before 2.8 beta 1, at least according to the ChangeLog [13:28] ok if this plugin is unchecke the error is gone but player needs ~10 seconds to start (show the window with all options), is it possible thet it tries to fetch some data from internet before launching all window elements ? [13:28] soee: I turned all three of those and I no longer get that message. [13:28] Quintasan: yes i can confirm this [13:28] Mamarok: Truth be told, if it was removed from the source we would no longer have it I believe [13:28] Let me look at the package [13:29] soee: if your playlist contains internet sources, yes, then it will check those [13:29] Mamarok: yes it have lyrics enabled [13:29] *has [13:29] soee: not talking about lyrics, those are only checked when yous tart playing something [13:30] I meant streams or podcasts in the active playlist [13:30] Mamarok: and if option to autoplay is on ? [13:30] that is not the point, the content of the playlist is what I was asking for [13:30] the more there are streams and podcasts that are not local, the more it has to check for [13:31] Mamarok: src/scripts/free_music_charts_service/README [13:31] It is there in 2.8 [13:31] Mamarok: i have atm only ~5 local songs and 1 polish station [13:32] Mamarok: Generally the contents of the source of 2.8.0 are http://paste.ubuntu.com/7291581 [13:32] Mamarok: ok it seems that this polish station on the list cuses this [13:33] after it is removed, Amarok start without any delay [13:33] soee: Well, Mamarok said that Amarok checks for the stream etc. on the startup [13:33] Though I don't like that way of doing things. [13:35] Quintasan: yup, this is not to good, if i have this one station, Amarok starts and i see nothing on the window next 10-15 seconds [13:36] Mamarok: Do you happen do know if it's viable option to make Amarok not to check for internet sources until you try to play them? [13:37] ::workspace-bugs:: [1310271] systemsettings not installing, dictionaries-common is getting error @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1310271 (by sreeenu) [13:38] oh well, I guess yes, no idea why this was not implemented yet, currently it does other checks. but please check with the current git first, I know there have been a lot of changes [13:39] but the current git should show the GUI immediately, it sadly still runs a bazillion of checks in the background [13:39] currently I can't search before like 10 seconds once it is started because ti checks the database [13:39] it* [13:40] this was normally one of the things that were fixed when we implemented the GSoC projects, after 2.8.0 [13:40] and current git is like 310 commits or so ahead of 2.8.0 [13:40] including 4 GSoC projects that were merged [13:41] Mamarok: when is next version planned to be released ? [13:41] markey: really, we need to release soon... [13:41] soee: we have one planned since like ages, sadly our release manager is MIA [13:41] that is why it didn't see the light yet [13:42] we have a number of important bug fixes that should be released, yes [13:42] he started a new job [13:43] e.g. I rewrote the opengl visualization [13:45] Mamarok: In the last 700 commits I can see some changes to playlists but nothing really grabs my attention when it comes to checking internet sources [13:46] as I said, it "should" have been fixed, because that was talked about, but ibn any case, the GUI now shows immediately [13:46] and the internet sources need to be checked if those are in the loaded playlist anyway, elese it will get a delay once you try to play it and ti doesn't work [13:48] Mamarok: Why do those have to be checked? I don't really get the logic behind it. [13:50] There is small issue related to loading this sources and delay, if you have volume set to 30% before the sources are checked/loaded Amarok starts to play with 100% volume, than after sources are loaded it jums to 30% [13:51] so it seems that some settings/configuration are applied after this sources are checked === soee_ is now known as soee [13:51] soee_: Report that upstream if it was not reported [13:52] I'm pretty much sure noone will remember that in like 30 minutes since we are generally busy [13:52] Quintasan: ok [13:54] the check then marks unplayable tracks grayed out [13:56] Mamarok: My main problem is with what will Amarok do when there is no network or the network is unreliable [13:56] soee: that I never even heard about [13:56] it will check and gray out the unplayable tracks, didn't I just say that? [13:57] Maybe I'm not clear enough. [13:58] Mamarok: If there is no network, will Amarok try to check for availability of the internet sources if there are any on the playlist? [14:00] no idea how the check works, you need to check that in the code, sorry [14:01] Mamarok: I see. [14:01] I guess, logically it should check if there is an internet connectiion first, then only strt checking the individual sources [14:01] if it doesn't the the check is a piece of crap [14:01] markey: ^ [14:03] I don't know anything about that at all [14:03] * Quintasan looks into it [14:04] I guess it will be a express KDE/Qt 101 for me [14:04] best way to start :) [14:12] Quintasan: the issue i mentioned might be related to this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329166 [14:12] KDE bug 329166 in Playback "Amarok volume is often reset to 100% when changing tracks" [Normal,Reopened] [14:13] or shall i create new bug report ? [14:14] soee: Are you able to reproduce that every time? [14:14] Quintasan: yes, each time [14:14] If so then I think you should file a new bug and attach the file which triggers the behavior [14:14] amarok --debug output probably would be nice [14:15] Mamarok: Does Amarok have any wikipage for end users how to provide the most useful information? [14:18] hmm [14:19] uhm, now when i tried to verify it one more time, the problem is gone [14:19] strange [14:19] Mamarok: Fortunately enough core/meta/Meta.cpp has networkNotPlayableReason() so that rules out the possiblity of that check is crap [14:20] * Quintasan satisfied his curiosity [14:20] soee: Be sure to keep an eye on that [14:21] I never had that happen to me but I can imagine it's annoying to say the least. [15:39] Quintasan: what do you mean, wiki page? [15:39] Mamarok: https://community.kde.org/Amarok/Development/DebuggingHowTo [15:39] I was looking for this [15:39] ah, ok [15:39] we have that since like forever :) [15:40] long before any of the other KDE projects starting having similar ones, and even then, most don't [18:36] christ [18:36] shadeslayer: got a thinkpad? [22:05] no updates since the release, thats a good sign === jackyalcine is now known as jacky