[02:18] knome: yup [02:18] it would be nice to know what with catfish does not work [02:18] I'll take a look at bugs tomorrow [02:18] that will basically be the bulk of my day [02:19] I'm very receptive to bug reports, so if people could just report them, that would be awesome [02:19] in that case, thanks knome for showing so much love to menulibre ;) [02:22] of course [02:22] expect more, now that i actually have time to dig deeper into stuff [02:24] ugh, i should be sleeping [02:24] but i was working on a client project :| [02:24] me too [02:24] 5:30am here [02:24] hello sunday! [02:25] 22:24 here [02:25] fortunately i have curtains closed so i don't acknowledge how bright it is outside :P [02:25] haha [02:25] heh, i came home at 22:30 [02:26] we just got back, been taking photos and doing family things since early this morning [02:27] aha [02:27] i was playing a board game [02:31] well, that's simple and concise [02:31] :D [02:34] mmh ;) [02:34] except it wasn't, the game took a few hours and everybody was like "oh no!!" all the time [02:34] (was a cooperative game) [02:35] We played Phase10 for about 2 hours [02:35] or thats how it seemed [02:36] heh [02:37] bluesabre, http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/100901/flash-point-fire-rescue [02:38] bluesabre, http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic1755556_lg.jpg [02:39] (we won the game!) [02:40] sounds like fun [02:41] yep, it's a good game in the right company [02:41] eg. nobody gets upset if somebody else points them a better plan in their opinion, and otoh, do not just always ask "what should i do" [02:42] if people are less good with cooperative games, it might be a drag [02:46] i'm off, see you later [09:25] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ted-m-cox/xubuntu-docs/branchname/revision/192 That makes sense, though not proposed yet. [10:45] knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1310100 [10:45] Launchpad bug 1310100 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Enable the user to edit all aspects of the "raw" file more easily" [Wishlist,New] [10:46] so, what fields do you lack [10:46] I've added all the FreeDesktop.org approved fields [10:47] or do you want all possible fields listed in advanced, even though they are elsewhere in the program? [12:21] hey knome [12:21] If I understand correctly, https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1307002 is intended on my part [12:21] Launchpad bug 1307002 in MenuLibre "Can't remove some categories from a launcher" [High,Confirmed] [12:21] categories are required to keep a launcher in a directory [12:22] so I force them if you have that launcher in that menu [12:23] the work-around is to remove the "System" category from the launcher in the Games menu [12:24] if you want to discuss it, we can think of a better implementation :) [12:25] bluesabre, yes, i was thinking we could show all the possible fields in advanced [12:26] bluesabre, or as the bug says, alternatively have a button to open the .desktop file in a text editor [12:26] bluesabre, re: forcing categories, that's a bit meh [12:26] bluesabre, is there any technical reason to do that? [12:27] yeah [12:27] add a launcher to the system category, then remove that category [12:27] bluesabre, i mean, if a user wants to remove it from the system menu, why couldn't it be dropped? [12:27] then all of a sudden, its not in that category [12:27] hi all, knome [12:27] s/Category/Directory [12:27] or whatever we consider the menu headers [12:27] bluesabre, yeah but.. isn't that expected?? [12:28] yes and no [12:28] what if you move a launcher to another category [12:28] bluesabre, it has *no categories at all*, maybe you could force it to "Other" [12:28] was curious why xubuntu didnt include wubi on the iso [12:28] jphilipz, wubi isn't supported at all any more aiui [12:29] knome: weird how ubuntu and lubuntu had it on their isos [12:29] yeah, I thought it was dropped as well [12:29] well, at least xubuntu decided to drop it ages ago [12:29] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/trusty/release/ - no wubi there [12:31] wubi is in the iso [12:31] bluesabre, actually, i'm on the verge of filing two more bugs... [12:31] knome: go for it [12:31] bluesabre, well, i need to discuss those first [12:31] they are more like wishlist-stuff [12:31] jphilipz: maybe - long as short it is - we don't :) [12:32] ok [12:32] bluesabre, first is "enable a mode where the items are only shown in categories they are shown in the real menu" [12:32] or even, just make that default [12:32] i have many many items in the system menu but they are not visible there [12:32] because they are in the settings manager [12:33] well just thought i'd ask [12:33] bluesabre, or if not hide them completely, have a visual cue to imply that [12:34] ok, I'll see what I can do there [12:34] (so make that bug) [12:34] sure, will do [12:34] the other one i don't remember now [12:34] but it was something similar [12:34] ok [12:34] re: removing categories... [12:34] I'd agree with not being able to get things if they sit in settings manager being an issue [12:35] elfy, i think you're talking about something else ;) [12:35] need to look at how whisker does it, not sure if its a garcon-specific thing [12:35] maybe - then that's another bug then [12:35] if it's a technical issue to just drop them from the directory, maybe mark them with a strikethrough to give a visual cue they *will* be deleted? [12:36] I'll figure something out [12:36] basically, if it doesn't require a string or interface change, I'll include it as a fix [12:36] otherwise, it will come in 14.10 :) [12:36] yeah, that's fine [12:37] the reason why i proposed the advanced/text editor stuff [12:37] is that with that, you can workaround some of the other bugs [12:37] if you know what you are doing (tm) [12:37] **if** [12:37] :) [12:37] yes, sure [12:37] but hey, it's called "Advanced" [12:38] indeed [12:38] but yeah, feel free to file numerous bugs and feature requests [12:39] mhm [12:43] bluesabre, bug 1310261 [12:43] bug 1310261 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Reflect the real menu in the menu structure" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310261 [12:43] thanks [12:44] gotta go start running around, be back in a few hours [12:44] hf [12:46] knome: what's the team reporting thing on the agenda? [12:46] elfy, the monthly reports, and how it worked to gather them in the meeting [12:47] elfy, and discussion if we should continue as is, or if we want something else [12:47] k - just checking - thought it was though [12:50] elfy, i think you are thinking about bug 1310264 [12:50] bug 1310264 in xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin (Ubuntu) "Can't search/find items in the Settings Manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310264 [12:50] me too'd it :) [12:50] yep, you can carry that on now ;) [12:50] and add it to the .1 blueprint if you wish [12:51] huhu, i've filed half of the open bugs for menulibre ;) [12:51] funny you should say that ... [12:51] buglibre :D [12:52] we should setup a bugzilla for it [12:52] nah [12:52] is this really a whiskermenu bug? [12:52] it seems to respect the menu file [12:53] maybe it should respect several menu files then. [12:53] ;) [12:54] a menu file for whiskermenu which does not exclude the settings apps? [14:26] seems that lid close gets you a blackscreen regardless of lock being set on [14:28] good afternoon eric_the_idiot [14:28] hi [14:53] hi eric :) [15:09] hey, pushed your patch, thanks again [15:10] off to dinner, bbl [15:12] Thanks to you. :) [15:20] amigamagic, i'm here [15:40] bluesabre, do you have any idea what could be causing the bug where menulibre doesn't even launch? is there something i can do to help debug the issue? [16:08] bluesabre, what do you mean "copy the file back"? yes, it still fails on the machine [16:09] bluesabre, i'll try to run alacarte as well. [16:11] bluesabre, confirm with alacarte as well. === [1]amigamagic is now known as amigamagic === [1]amigamagic is now known as amigamagic [16:27] hey guys, being that the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1307251 has been declared solved with my patchfix, as you can see here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10813 , what I should do on launchpad? [16:27] Launchpad bug 1307251 in xfdesktop "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Low,Confirmed] [16:27] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 10813 in General "xfdesktop doesn't save the arrangement of desktop icons after a resolution change" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] [16:29] leave launchpad - it's not fixed there [16:30] yep. [16:42] when it will be? [16:43] amigamagic, when a new version of xfdesktop4 with that bugfix is in the ubuntu repositories [16:45] usually how much time pass for a patchfix to be uploaded on ubuntu repositories? 6 months? 1 year? [16:45] depends. [16:46] not critical ones, of course... [16:56] lots of great feedback on social media :) [16:57] pleia2: good - cos there's lots of moaning in support places :) [16:57] where is the bottom panel? is it gone? [16:57] xD [16:57] no it's the new special sort of hidden [16:58] only seen in moonlight on February 30th at 25:61 [16:58] elfy once sat on top of it and it's now broken... sorry! [16:58] ha [16:58] knome: which command? [16:58] pleia2: though lots in this case is much the same as always [16:58] :P [16:59] brainwash: it was 'please sit here elfy ' [16:59] locks harmful, I better don't execute that one [17:00] elfy: well, I'm used to more moaning on social media, so I think we're trending in the right direction anyway ;) [17:00] freudian slip brainwash ? got lock on your mind? [17:00] pleia2: \o/ [17:01] woops [17:01] too much talk about screen locking going on lately [17:02] lock.. look.. =S [17:05] brainwash: are you going to want me to fiddle with laptop screen at all over the next few days? if so I'm going to have to install b2 or something on it - the lock screen buttons sync now ;) [17:05] and did you catch what I'd said re your ppa? [17:13] elfy: no and no [17:22] knome: it appears to be an issue with gnome-menus [17:23] I'll have to be in contact with the gnome-menu devs [17:23] bluesabre, yeah, but how did menulibre end up writing that kind of .menu file? [17:23] I told it to [17:23] ;) [17:23] *you*? [17:23] i thought i was editing the menu. [17:23] the program writes the xml [17:23] yeah, i know [17:23] as opposed to gnome-menus writing it [17:24] aha [17:24] so it should be valid [17:24] because I followed the desktop spec [17:24] or so I think [17:24] ;) [17:24] and garcon doesn't seem to have any issues with it [17:24] the xfce menu does not crash [17:24] whisker doesn't crash [17:24] yep [17:25] I need to just write my own parser instead of relying on others [17:25] well as long as it's fixed, i can be happy [17:25] -_- [17:25] lol [17:25] I'll work on it [17:25] or fix the gnome-menus parser :P [17:25] yeah [17:25] that will be fun [17:25] though it doesn [17:25] 't break on my machine [17:25] so first I need to make it break so I can test it [17:26] i guess i could send you all of my .desktop files [17:26] and included dirs [17:26] that does not sound fun [17:26] hah [17:26] all in .local, that is [17:26] but yeah, if you want to tar that up, I can use it as test data [17:26] i haven't tested that menu file on other machines either [17:26] yeah, i can do that at some point if it seems like it's impossible to reproduce it without [17:31] brainwash: ok - ta [17:32] pretty certain that this must be a gtk bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/menulibre/+bug/1310098 [17:33] Launchpad bug 1310098 in menulibre (Ubuntu) "Text in the "Advanced" tab is fuzzy when it has a scrollbar" [Undecided,New] [17:33] bluesabre, possibly, but it's annoying :) [17:38] howdy. anyone able to help me with a release notes question? [18:15] knome o. [18:15] o/ [18:16] \o/ [18:16] so, flyer? [18:16] yes [18:17] let me export the latest thing i have... [18:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Projects/Flyers?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu_flyer_draft.png [18:19] beautiful [18:19] make sure you refresh [18:19] might be cached... [18:20] note the non-generic titles on the "did you know" points [18:20] that livens it up a tad [18:20] i guess the thing to do now is think about the frontpage [18:20] and proofread, proofread, proofread [18:21] * pleia2 nods [18:22] the logo doesn't fit the frontpage nicely. [18:22] * pleia2 proofs [18:22] it make it look like it's unbalanced [18:23] would centering the "Xubuntu is an easy to use.." stuff help? [18:23] nope, not with that issue [18:23] the "xubuntu" part is what makes the logo look unbalanced [18:23] it would be a lesser problem if we had a background color [18:23] and the logo wasn't spanning the whole page [18:24] but since we can't expect people to be able to print to the edges of the pages, i don't think that's a sane direction to go [18:24] yeah [18:24] even a capital X in the logo would help... but obviously we don't want to go that route either [18:25] I've probably read this text too many times to be good at proofing, but I think it looks good [18:26] are you happy with the "In the Ubuntu ecosystem" heading? [18:26] and some day we'll find a proper marketing person to even out some of our words, but as computer folk I think this is a good job :) [18:26] yes, that's great [18:26] heyy... thanks for the compliment! :P [18:26] hah! it's mostly things I wrote that I worry about [18:27] nah, i think the content itself is fine [18:27] ok good [18:27] the only question we should ask if it makes sense for a non-technical person [18:27] or if some of it is just gibberish and it would be better to talk about butterflies [18:27] yeah, I was assuming our target was folks at tech conferences, not people looking to switch from windows really [18:27] but the logo problem... [18:27] what do we do? [18:28] obviously, we'd like the logo on the flyer, but... [18:28] maybe drop the mouse at the end and just do like [18:28] xubuntu [18:28] >__< [18:28] <> [18:29] mmh, but the mouse should be huge [18:29] I don't have any other ideas, aside from leaving it the way it is, balance be darned :) [18:33] elfy: so we got a new possible fix for the power-manager, see https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test [18:34] pleia2, i'll try something... [18:34] knome: you want me to get daughter to read flyer? [18:34] elfy, would be great [18:35] k - just to know if it makes sense I guess [18:35] yep, or if she has any other comments as well... [18:35] * knome is open to anything [18:35] ok [18:37] hello [18:37] there is a bug in official docs files [18:37] is the bug filed in launchpad [18:37] in file: xubuntu-index.html, there is bad name of logo file: [18:38] there is: ./logo.png, should like above [18:38] I will check this :) [18:42] knome: that gets a thumbs up for understanding it :) [18:42] heh, good [18:47] thanks mini miss elfy! [18:47] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty, I can't report a bug :/ [18:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty [18:48] olbi: please use: ubuntu-bug xubuntu-docs [18:48] from a terminal [18:48] ok [18:48] that will collect info from your system that we need for the report and send it to the right place :) [18:50] pleia2: lol [18:50] maia giggled [18:52] :) [18:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/1310347 [18:54] Launchpad bug 1310347 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Bad name for logo file in directory" [Undecided,New] [18:55] I have added a fix i attach [19:00] olbi: thanks! [19:00] :) [19:00] the wiki is playing on me [19:00] actually, we should just drop in logo.png instead of relying on the non-translatable welcome image [19:01] pleia2, refresh the image [19:01] wiki is ok, but docs on cds are bad :D [19:02] strange, on wiki and on cd there are two diffrent types of logos :D [19:02] one is only xubuntu and second is xubuntu-welcome [19:03] knome: I think that's nice [19:03] pleia2, yeah, that's *much* better [19:03] i'm even thinking a full-width logo moight go with that [19:03] might too... [19:03] so which is proper? :D [19:03] olbi, ? [19:04] olbi, are you referring to docs.xubuntu.org? [19:04] (not a wiki) [19:04] file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/xubuntu-index.html [19:05] there is file which have text: Xubuntu Welcome [19:06] on the wiki you have only Xubuntu [19:06] in *what* wiki? [19:06] wiki: docs.xubuntu.org :D [19:06] that is not a wiki. [19:06] sorry, my bad :P [19:06] i just asked if you were referring to that. [19:07] yes, the one in docs.xubuntu.org is correct [19:07] as i said... [19:07] 22:00 knome: actually, we should just drop in logo.png instead of relying on the non-translatable welcome image [19:08] ooh, 12.04 to 14.04 upgrade on my mini9 went really well [19:08] sorry, misunderstood [19:11] knome: I think the flyer looks great, we should SVG and PDF it and release [19:12] pleia2, easier said than done ;) [19:12] pleia2, do you have a4 printer/paper? [19:12] oh bother [19:12] lol [19:24] bug 1310347 [19:24] bug 1310347 in xubuntu-docs (Ubuntu) "Bad name for logo file in directory" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310347 [19:24] the u-cycle branch is up for docs [19:24] as are translations [19:25] \o/ [19:27] pleia2, you didn't answer my printing-related question :P [19:27] pleia2, if you don't, i'll do a test print when i visit my mum the next time [19:28] or actually, might do that when i visit my dad tomorrow... [19:28] did you want it printing? [19:28] then i should also make the US letter version [19:28] elfy, yeah, would be nice to do a testprint [19:29] pleia2, you happy with the community photo crop? [19:29] pleia2, i love the diversity there... [19:30] maybe i should do an even better crop [19:30] tighter at the top, not to "cut throats" [19:31] oops - sorry - little miss elfy is asleep [19:31] no rush [19:32] i have hardly thought about doing those pdf exports yet :P [19:32] knome: no, I don't, we don't have that paper in this country ;) [19:32] knome: and the community photo crop is good [19:33] meh ;) [19:35] knome: 'll print it in the morning - is it one-sided [19:35] no [19:36] two-sided, and you have to three-fold [19:36] right - so each half is A4 ? [19:36] yes, obviously ;) [19:36] probably :p [19:37] then just print it in a way that the text is the same way once you flip the paper horizontally [19:37] last time I printed something it was 16 foot long and 4 foot high [19:37] lol [19:37] yep :) [19:37] last time i printed something i was setting up a photo-printing script for my mum [19:38] knome: full sized wiring harness drawings [19:38] eg. do very much assumptions, automate everything, then send it to the printer... manually via a CLI command, because nothing else would be able to give the best quality [19:38] ...without having to manually reset the quality/other settings [19:39] oh man, too bad I don't still work at lexmark [19:39] I could do all sorts of print testing with A4 or anything ele [19:39] *else [19:39] from windows .... [19:39] :P [19:39] elfy, hah, that's nice ;) [19:39] from ubuntu :) [19:39] that reminds me, i should backup the sript [19:39] I had some flexibility in my dept. [19:40] script too... [19:40] * elfy never got a lexmark to work [19:40] they're... not the best [19:40] ;) [19:40] :) [19:42] bluesabre: I've tried to install worse - slates don't come with usb ports :p [19:42] knome: some of your bugs are tricky [19:42] elfy, http://lallinaho.fi/temp/print-photo [19:42] fyi :) [19:43] bluesabre, congrats sherlock ;) [19:43] lol [19:43] bluesabre: nice - setting the fix up for 15.10 :D [19:45] nah, 18.04 LTS [19:46] 16.06, 10 year anniversary of the delayed release [19:46] hehe [19:46] lol [19:47] or maybe 16.04, the so far last release of the celebrated xubuntu project lead sean davis [19:47] lol [19:47] congratulations bluesabre - \o/ [19:47] I've been promoted! [19:47] bluesabre, "promoted" [19:48] poisoned chalice - wait till I start :D [19:48] haha [19:48] bluesabre, i'll send you the form you need to fill, where you accept all paperwork and bureaucracy that the title comes with with no rights to whine [19:48] but you've whined this whole time [19:48] :P [19:48] bluesabre, and, and the small print that says you need to take days off work if the xubuntu world crashes [19:49] haha :) [19:49] well i didn't sign that ;) [19:49] yea 0 but he didn't have the right to do it bluesabre :p [19:49]