[00:02] <mspittel1961> Hi
[00:03] <knome> hello
[00:04] <mspittel1961> My desktop icons keep rearranging themselves on each boot. Can this be prevented?
[00:07] <creeeatura> hi everyone. can anyone kindly assist a newbie? :)
[00:07] <mspittel1961> what's your problem?
[00:07] <knome> mspittel1961, are you by any chance running xubuntu in a virtualized environment?
[00:08] <creeeatura> I'm installing xubuntu on an old laptop for my mom - problem is, I'm lacking the firmware for the wireless card
[00:08] <mspittel1961> Not now. Bare metal recovered from somebody's trash can.
[00:09] <knome> mspittel1961, are you saving your session?
[00:10] <mspittel1961> No. I even deactivated the option in the shutdown menu.
[00:10] <knome> mspittel1961, you might need to save once with the new order
[00:11] <mspittel1961> This machine is for a gift to a linux newbie and I want a reboot to be a reboot
[00:11] <knome> rather than doing desktop icons, why not save items to the whiskermenu favorites?
[00:13] <mspittel1961> I'm using Xubuntu in Spanish and whisker is unusable. Y deleted it and put classic "Applications menu" instead
[00:13] <knome> mspittel1961, you can edit the regular applications menu with menulibre as well
[00:14] <mspittel1961> I tend to use the desktop as a temporary storage for things waiting to be stored somewhere else or deleted
[00:14] <mspittel1961> Let say for ongoing tasks.
[00:15] <knome> right... so why does it matter if they got rearranged?
[00:15] <mspittel1961> I don't have launchers on the Desktop, just regular folders an files
[00:15] <knome> but it's potentially a bug
[00:15] <knome> the icons should be saved per resolution
[00:15] <knome> so if you change your resolution, even by one pixel (possible in a virtual machine), they get restored to the original state
[00:16] <knome> but this is obviously something else
[00:16] <knome> file a bug in launchpad :)
[00:16] <mspittel1961> When I have let's say, 25 files and folders on the Desktop, I want them to stay where I put them.
[00:16] <knome> ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4
[00:18] <mspittel1961> Imagine if stuff on your REAL desk top were moving around (OK, sometimes this happens with the night shift cleanning personnel!)
[00:19] <knome> well fortunately the "real desktop" metaphor doesn't apply to the (xfce) desktop...
[00:19] <knome> that is, real desktop isn't searchable etc.
[00:20] <mspittel1961> this is another weakness in xfce. Catfish never finds the files I'm searching for.
[00:20] <mspittel1961> I don't know if I'm entering the wrong syntax or what
[00:21] <knome> i'm not too familiar with catfish, i order my stuff on the directory structure
[00:21] <mspittel1961> OK, may be "never" is to harsh. But "frequently" is more accurate
[00:22] <amigamagic> mspittel1961, there is a bug with current xfdesktop implementation where it doesn't save icons positions if you change the resolution and after that you logout, or if you change some icon position and logout before waiting 7 seconds.
[00:22] <knome> mspittel1961, if it should find something it doesn't... well, you know the story: file a bug
[00:23] <mspittel1961> besides these small nuissances, Xubuntu 14.04 rocks!
[00:23] <Kekai> I am experiencing a bug in where i put my pC to sleep then wake it up, it askes for my password. When I put in my passwords I get a black screen.
[00:24] <mspittel1961> let me try to see if the same happens here
[00:25] <mspittel1961> And to get out of the blank screen? Hard reset?
[00:25] <Kekai> mhm
[00:25] <mspittel1961> ok. I'll test this and be back in a few moments
[00:25] <Kekai> Will this get fied anytime soon?
[00:26] <knome> Kekai, once it's triaged, developers can start working on it
[00:27] <Kekai> I never ad this problem in 13.10
[00:27] <Kekai> I think this would be something to fix ASAP
[00:27] <Kekai> as people need to hard reset and that can kill people's hard drives and PCs
[00:28] <mspittel1961> I just tested it and couldn't reproduce this with the "Suspend" option.
[00:28] <amigamagic> Kekai, have you tried with ALT+F1 when you have this black screen?
[00:28] <mspittel1961> It worked as supposed.
[00:28] <Kekai> let me see
[00:35] <james0r3> both laptops i've got running 14.04 have problems coming back from suspend when using light locker
[00:36] <james0r3> after logging in i just get a blank display
[00:36] <james0r3> if i disable lock on suspend in light locker settings all is well
[00:37] <amigamagic> I have a similar problem, but only on a virtual machine. On a real PC is working well. I suppose it depends from your particular GPU and its drivers for linux.
[00:38] <amigamagic> On the virtual machine I have to disable light locker to not make it hangs.
[00:38] <james0r3> seems to be just a light locker issue for me. both of these laptops lock fine with xscreensaver
[00:39] <james0r3> i might just go back to xscreensaver. the screensavers are kinda cool anyway
[00:39] <amigamagic> maybe xscreensaver is more "conservative" in the way it uses the hardware
[00:39] <james0r3> light locker is sort of a new project too right?
[00:40] <amigamagic> I'm not sure but I think it's recent.
[00:40] <Kekai> mspittel1961: I just tried ALT-F1
[00:40] <Kekai> ot working
[00:40] <Kekai> maybe I need its a light locker issue
[00:40] <amigamagic> Kekai, so just disable light locker and be happy
[00:41] <amigamagic> :D
[00:41] <Kekai> amigamagic: its an issue with sleep mode
[00:41] <james0r3> amigamagic, you can use xscreensaver as a locker/screen saver instead. found of lots of xfce desktops
[00:42] <mspittel1961> A newbie question: what is light locker?
[00:42] <Kekai> I go to sleep mode and it locs, but goes toa  balck screen upon login.
[00:42] <amigamagic> james0r3, yes, you can use it.
[00:42] <amigamagic> Kekai, disable light locker
[00:42] <amigamagic> and check if this solve your problem
[00:43] <Kekai> if it des I have  backup of Xubuntu 12.04 LTS on a USB drive
[00:43] <Kekai> *doesnt
[00:45] <james0r3>  
[01:03] <Kekai> Now I am not getting any lock screen.
[01:03] <Kekai> I turned of light locker. Is there a way to lock my screen at all?
[01:03] <Unit193> Sure, you can use something else.
[01:06] <Kekai> like 12.04 LTS?
[01:06] <Kekai> :3
[01:06] <Unit193> xscreensaver is what that one used.
[01:07] <Kekai> and yet...I never had any issues where I need to hard reset my system
[01:10] <amigamagic> Kekai, install xscreensaver and be happy
[01:13] <Kekai> I installed it, now how do I activate it?
[01:13] <amigamagic> in the settings there should be a new screensaver icon
[01:14] <Unit193> Alt+F2 -> xscreensaver -no-splash
[01:14] <Unit193> (Or that, there you can start the daemon as well.)
[01:28] <seekwill> Hmm, new install of 14.04. Anyone have issues with Parole Media Player saying "GStreamer backend error. Could not initialize supporting library"?
[01:33] <nobody18188181> With xubuntu 14.04 LTS how do I enable Shift + Delete for directories? It's only working for files.
[01:39] <seekwill> oooh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/+bug/1309951 That fixed it...
[01:41] <Kekai> isnt parol the music player?
[01:43] <seekwill> I think gmusicbrowser is... at least the default... :/
[01:43]  * seekwill <-- xubuntu newbie
[01:47] <Kekai> I just installed Nightingale
[01:48] <Kekai> looks better and handles my library so much better
[02:18] <nobody18188181> Kekai: Try deadbeef; much better.
[02:18] <Kekai> nah
[02:18] <Kekai> I like Songbird/Nightingale
[02:19] <nobody18188181> It's not supported anymore
[02:19] <Kekai> yes it is
[02:19] <Kekai> Songbird is Nightingale
[02:19] <Kekai> same team
[02:19] <Kekai> just new project
[02:19] <nobody18188181> oh i see
[02:20] <nobody18188181> either way deadbeef is still nicer ;)
[02:22] <cfhowlett> if unfortunately named ...
[02:23] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: would you mind terribly to add gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio to recommends, we've had several reports of that fixing the above bug
[02:24] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parole/+bug/1309951
[02:25] <nobody18188181> Anyone have issue with SHIFT + DELETE on directories on the desktop not working?
[03:11] <ToHellWithGA> xubuntu is the right fit between debian squeeze and debian wheezy that convinced me to give ubuntu another chance after a few years off
[03:12] <ToHellWithGA> it actually runs on my 7-year-old laptop yet has current enough packages that i don't feel like i'm settling for ancient versions in exchange for performance
[03:13] <ToHellWithGA> with that being said, is it possible to set auto-login?  i have no personal data on this laptop and intend to only use it for VNC/ssh to my home computer
[03:15] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, Settings -> Users and Groups -> Select user -> 'Password' Change...
[03:16] <james0r2> okay, removed light locker and using xscreensaver now and i can lock on suspend now. i imagine this light locker issue must be affecting lots of others.
[03:17] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, select 'Don't ask for passwork on login'
[03:20] <localhost> hi
[03:20] <localhost> hi all
[03:20] <localhost> i am nobody
[03:20] <nhoj> yikes, my computer is talking to me!!
[03:21] <abhra> any information on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309054
[03:21] <holstein> a USB hub?
[03:23] <Haggard> That is weird.
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> nhoj: that didn't work at all, man
[03:24] <ToHellWithGA> i just rebooted and there was still a login screen and it still required a password
[03:24] <ToHellWithGA> is the login screen part of xfce or is it something external, like gdm?
[03:25] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, hmm, that is the place to change that I believe.  lightdm is the displayed manager
[03:27] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, check to see if the button is still checked on the Settings for Users and Groups
[03:27] <ToHellWithGA> is is
[03:27] <ToHellWithGA> s/is is/it is/
[03:27] <ToHellWithGA> plain as day it says "not asked on login"
[03:28] <ToHellWithGA> i'm thinking maybe i need to configure the login screen rather than my user settings
[03:28] <ToHellWithGA> if i can tell the login screen to autologin my user, the password prompt should be irrelevent unless i for some reason must logout and log back in without rebooting
[03:30] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, If you log out the password would be required I think if I understand your statement that is.
[03:31] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, Should work on reboot though, correct?  Is that what you expect?
[03:31] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, That is, no password required on reboot.
[03:31] <ToHellWithGA> the prompt is still there
[03:31] <ToHellWithGA> i click my name then must hit return with no password
[03:31] <ToHellWithGA> i'm trying to avoid the entire login process - boot direct to desktop
[03:32] <ToHellWithGA> nothing of value on a laptop not worth stealing, so i just want it to be usable as soon as i plug it in - that's right, the battery is shot :-)
[03:33] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, Oh, it is not what I would expect either from earlier versions. Must be the way it works.  I will test here.  c u l8r eh
[03:33] <ToHellWithGA> thanks man
[03:36] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, It goes as you experienced her as well.  Perhaps, because there is that Guest login, another words another user, it must check to see who wants in after a restart.
[03:38] <nhoj> TheSheep, otherwise, it would only go to one user when other ones could then never to available for login.  Just reasoning and guessing really.
[03:40] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA,  otherwise, it would only go to one user when other ones could then never to available for login.  Just reasoning and guessing really.
[03:40] <ToHellWithGA> maybe so
[03:41] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, the guest user is really a kiosk mode I believe.  You could use that for your purposes as well.
[03:42] <Unit193> Why not use autologin?
[03:43] <nhoj> Unit193, ToHellWithGA is not satisfied because the autologin present the display manager instead of going straight to his desktop.
[03:43] <ToHellWithGA> Unit193: i would like to do so, but i can't find a way to enable autologin
[03:43] <ToHellWithGA> i can skip entering my password, but i still have to pick a user from a login screen
[03:44] <nhoj> One does not need a password for autologin but one must select a user if only the default one.
[03:45] <nhoj> like, what he said, man :)
[03:45] <Unit193> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LightDM#Enabling_Autologin Did you edit the config then add your user to the group?
[03:47] <nhoj> no just selected 'Don't ask for password on login'
[03:51] <xubuntu934> hello there..
[03:52] <ToHellWithGA> Unit193: that worked
[03:52] <xubuntu934> i have a question.. can xubuntu use csd
[03:52] <Unit193> ToHellWithGA: Great!
[03:52] <ToHellWithGA> the file is actually /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-xubuntu.conf
[03:52] <nhoj> ToHellWithGA, enjoy!
[03:52] <ToHellWithGA> thanks guys
[03:53] <Unit193> ToHellWithGA: Right, that's the xubuntu session one, you can make your own there too (I do to disable the guest account.)
[03:53] <Unit193> OH bah.
[03:53] <Unit193> !info csd
[03:56] <xubuntu934> thanks... ubottu
[03:57] <Unit193> What is it?
[03:58] <Haggard> Think he's talking about gnome's client side decorations.
[03:59] <xubuntu934> yeap client side deco...
[04:00] <Haggard> XFCE is migrating to gtk3 I believe so we might see it at some point.
[04:00] <Unit193> Correct wording, at some point. :P
[04:00] <xubuntu934> anyway.. is there a way not to use the title bar and just use csd when using new gnome/elementary apps..
[04:02] <xubuntu934> cause am impressed how CSD conserves space on my netbook.. plus the autohide panel..
[04:02] <Unit193> There's another branch of Xfwm to work better with headerbars at least.
[04:04] <xubuntu934> can you point me out how to's for that to work.. if its okay
[04:04] <Haggard> I wouldn't mind the option myself. Title bar, menubar, toolbar; lot of space there.
[04:41] <xubuntu035> Hello!
[04:44] <tonystark> hey
[04:44] <tonystark> guys
[04:44] <tonystark> i m new
[04:44] <n4uah> hi
[04:44] <RenoHal> hi tonystark
[04:44] <tonystark> so anyone here knows how to get shutdown and login sound in xubuntu 14.04
[04:45] <tonystark> ReenoHal: NYC TALKING TO U
[04:45] <RenoHal> =)
[04:45] <x-ubuntu0org> why is Xubuntu giving me a 640x480 display on VirtualBox? I'm using Xubuntu 14.04 right now.
[04:45] <tonystark> u using wubi?
[04:46] <x-ubuntu0org> no.
[04:46] <tonystark> strange i faced these issues when i used wubi .. can u give me more details about how u installed partitions and all and solve my problem also u getting sound in ur xubuntu like login sound and all
[04:47] <x-ubuntu0org> I just stuck the .iso image into my Virtualbox image (20GB VHD). It installs fine but the desktop now has 640x480.
[04:48] <tonystark> see try to use a usb device and then reinstall it and try to use some other version becz 14.04 which u downloaded is in beta version
[04:49] <x-ubuntu0org> no it is the final 14.04
[04:49] <tonystark> lts stable version are meant to be released in july the version would be 14.04.1
[04:49] <`Fibz> have you run updates yet?
[04:49] <tonystark> check on omgubuntu.co.uk
[04:50] <tonystark> or give it a try with usb stick
[04:50] <`Fibz> i've been having problems with 14.04 and video. just update and reboot, solved
[04:50] <x-ubuntu0org> The headers for current running kernel were not found. This is what I got when installing Guest Additions on Xubuntu.
[04:51] <x-ubuntu0org> also, unknown version if the X Window System installed. Not installing X Window System drivers.
[04:51] <tonystark> bro reinstall it stop cplicating it
[05:05] <ddsss> what does xubuntu uses for keyring? gnome-keyring?
[05:06] <RenoHal> tonystark: check this out. fixed my events sounds: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8618
[05:07] <tonystark> thnks man
[05:08] <RenoHal> no problem =)
[05:08] <tonystark> shit now working again
[05:08] <tonystark> not*'
[05:11] <tonystark> thanks RENOHAL
[05:11] <RenoHal> no problem
[05:20] <cimbakahn> Hello!
[05:21] <nicklas> hello. its weird, when i tried live mode with both latest ubuntu and xubuntu, additional drivers tab in software properties found showed usin xorg and found nvidia drivers available for selecting. but after installing, when i open that tab for installng nvidia drivers, it crashes. i have a nvidia optimus asus ultrabook. what to do?
[05:21] <abhra> any information on this problem with huawei e355 modem and xubuntu 14.04? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309054
[05:30] <nicklas> hello? is my problem a known bug or something?
[05:33] <RenoHal> nicklas: so it's crashing after installing the nvidia drivers? works fine before installing, right?
[05:33] <nicklas> no
[05:34] <nicklas> it crashes when clicking the tab
[05:34] <nicklas> RenoHal,
[05:34] <RenoHal> oh.. after installing xubuntu but before installing nvidia
[05:34] <nicklas> RenoHal, you want output
[05:34] <nicklas> ?
[05:34] <RenoHal> ya
[05:34] <nicklas> yeah
[05:35] <nicklas> RenoHal, i have to use pastebin right?
[05:35] <Unit193> Pastebin if you could.  Also, apport should detect the crash and pop up.
[05:35] <nicklas> it did, and i did crash report
[05:36] <Unit193> Ah cool, what bug number?
[05:37] <nicklas> Unit193, no idea, it doesnt show
[05:38] <nicklas> Unit193 RenoHal , this is pastebin, note that i can click all tabs without any error: http://pastebin.com/e3a8GMmT
[05:38]  * Unit193 ponders https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1268750
[05:41] <nicklas> its weird, in there a guy says it doesnt show up in live, but shows up after installing, but its the opposite for me
[05:42] <nicklas> you guys got the pastie?
[05:42] <Unit193> Yeah.  You can dpkg -l | grep nvidia  and remove it, or whatever you want from there at least though.  What's the end game?
[05:43] <nicklas> Unit193, what do you mean, what should i do?
[05:44] <nicklas> Unit193, well, that didnt show me nothing
[05:45] <nicklas> anything
[05:45] <nicklas> sorry
[05:45] <nicklas> Unit193, nicklas@nicklas-S551LB:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[05:45] <nicklas> nicklas@nicklas-S551LB:~$
[05:45] <nicklas> nothing
[05:45] <Unit193> Really?  Strange, gives me http://paste.openstack.org/show/Ysf3gdl4Tmx5cVw1bzXR/ (Older card, I know. :) )
[05:48] <RenoHal> This is what I get, but I have xedgers configured. I'm noticing Prime is listed: http://paste.openstack.org/show/76404/
[05:48] <RenoHal> is Prime same as Optimus?
[05:48] <nicklas> Unit193, uhm, thats not the card (hardware) just the nvidia packages (software) you have installed. i dont have any nvidia stuff installed since the tab crashes so...
[05:49] <Unit193> I am aware it's the packages.  I seem to have misunderstood about what you had, sorry.
[05:49] <nicklas> hehe
[05:50] <nicklas> need to go eat breakfast apperantly with family, before they get mad
[05:52] <nicklas> do i have to do a bug report manually about my problem, or is it enough to report the problem ticking the report problem box when the error window pops up?
[05:53] <Unit193> When the error pops up, it should give you the option, but it'll open a browser for you to log in to Launchpad and finish the bug report.
[05:53] <nicklas> Unit193, ah it doesnt
[05:54] <nicklas> the window just disappears after clicking close or ok
[05:55] <nicklas> guess i should do bug then
[05:55] <nicklas> bye an ty
[05:55] <Unit193> Sorry couldn't help.
[05:56] <tonystark> anyone here can tell me how to get sytem sounds in xubuntu 14.04
[05:57] <RenoHal> that post didn't work for you?
[05:57] <tonystark> nopes
[05:57] <tonystark> problem again
[05:57] <tonystark> only a beep sound tht too once
[05:58] <tonystark> seem to be unlucky
[05:59] <tonystark> anyone here?
[06:01] <RenoHal> tonystark: what do you get from this? xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Net/SoundThemeName
[06:01] <tonystark> i cant get to this
[06:01] <tonystark> i have got every sound installed
[06:01] <tonystark> but cant use them
[06:02] <tonystark> not working tried everything like autostart at the session
[06:03] <tonystark> says default
[06:04] <RenoHal> you need to install Borealis from post #6 and follow the directions on post #2
[06:06] <tonystark> xfce supoorts event sounds??
[06:07] <RenoHal> when it's configured correctly. they don't have an actual event sound settings.. not on their priority list
[06:07] <tonystark> ohk..
[06:08] <tonystark> then not to worry i thought something wrong with my version
[06:08] <tonystark> sorry bro
[06:08] <tonystark> i just eat half of ur head
[06:08] <RenoHal> oh no.. it's alright
[06:08] <RenoHal> hehe
[06:08] <tonystark> so anything i can do with xubuntu something exceptional
[06:11] <Aurvandill> good morning
[06:11] <tonystark> shut up
[06:11] <tonystark> lolz kidding
[06:11] <tonystark> good morning
[06:12] <RenoHal> it's better for older computers like mine...other than that, would recommend ubuntu or ubuntugnome
[06:12] <RenoHal> waiting for mint to come out with 17
[06:13] <tonystark> lolz i installed it becz i like minimalist things
[06:14] <RenoHal> yeah, I do too.. but some things do get sacrificed like the event sounds.. other then that, it's perfect for me
[06:32] <xubuntu030> hi. can anyone help me installing amd driver for xubuntu 14.04
[06:32] <xubuntu030> i have a radeon 4250
[06:33] <xubuntu030> i dont know if its supported by fglrx
[06:38] <Aurvandill> try the normal flgrx driver under settings> additional drivers
[06:39] <xubuntu030> i tried that. xubuntu doesnt recognize the video card
[06:40] <xubuntu030> i also tried to load amd control panel.. it loaded fine but didnt find any card
[06:40] <xubuntu030> i thing the driver is not compatible
[06:40] <gre-> heya
[06:40] <gre-> i got a problem with fullscreen under 14.04 when im playing at minecraft
[06:41] <cfhowlett> gre- youu
[06:41] <gre-> windows game becomes transparent
[06:41] <gre-> so im forced to restart the game
[06:41] <cfhowlett> gre- if you're running ubuntu, this channel is not the one you want
[06:41] <gre-> under 12.04 everything worked well with f11
[06:41] <gre-> ah?
[06:41] <cfhowlett> gre- suggest you file your bug report and search for a fix
[06:41] <gre-> xubuntu isn't the same?
[06:42] <gre-> its just xfce instead...
[06:42] <cfhowlett> !xubuntu
[06:42] <gre-> yes so no big differences
[06:43] <cfhowlett> gre- and yet it IS different.  you're running ubuntu.  unity desktop interface.  different apps.
[06:43] <gre-> ok so im on xubuntu and i got a fullscreen problem, can you help?
[06:43] <cfhowlett> gre- same solution.  you said "bug"..  file the report and see.  I don't minecraft
[06:43] <gre-> fullscreen code isn't similar? ok
[06:44] <gre-> lol
[06:44] <gre-> minecraft or other games, same problem
[06:47] <gre-> bye bye
[07:33] <xubuntu897> happy Easter everyone
[07:33] <xubuntu897> is there anybody out there?
[07:34] <cfhowlett> xubuntu897 ask your support questions
[07:36] <xubuntu897> Hello. My first time with Xubuntu (many years on ubuntu and mint...): my question is: I want to install serviio dlna server, but i can't find ffmpeg (easily). How can I setup it?
[07:36] <cfhowlett> xubuntu897 ffmpeg has been deprecated.  use avconv
[07:37] <xubuntu897> I'm not sure serviio can work with avconv as it is a prerequisite to it
[07:37] <xubuntu897> I will give it a try anyway
[07:42] <RenoHal> FFmpeg 2.2.1 was released on 4/10/2014.. how is this depreciated? just curious, cause I thought they were gone long time ago
[07:43] <cfhowlett> RenoHal acerimmer@Emperor:~$ ffmpeg -i
[07:43] <cfhowlett> ffmpeg version 0.8.10-4:0.8.10-0ubuntu0.12.04.1, Copyright (c) 2000-2013 the Libav developers
[07:43] <cfhowlett>   built on Feb  6 2014 20:56:59 with gcc 4.6.3
[07:43] <cfhowlett> *** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED ***
[07:43] <cfhowlett> This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.
[07:43] <cfhowlett> Missing argument for option 'i'
[07:43] <cfhowlett> acerimmer@Emperor:~$
[07:43] <cfhowlett> RenoHal that's my output in precise ...
[07:44] <brainwash> !pastebin | cfhowlett
[07:44] <RenoHal> hmm.. maybe ubuntu is just not supporting it anymore..
[07:54] <RenoHal> cfhowlett: looks like debian stopped supporting ffmpeg deb's and went to avconv.. so you have to compile it yourself: http://ffmpeg.gusari.org/static/64bit/
[07:54] <RenoHal> or /32bit/
[07:55] <cfhowlett> RenoHal ah, good to know.  Thank you for tracking this down!  Think I'll just stick with avconv - command line structures are not dissimilar to ffmpeg's ...
[07:55] <RenoHal> yeah, good idea, I did the same =)
[08:34] <james0r2> trying to get skype to activate from one click on the tray icon
[08:34] <james0r2> had this on non-ubuntu distros. pretty convenient
[09:43] <kubuntu> is it normal for xubuntu 14.04 livecd to identify as kubuntu everywhere?
[09:43] <Guest91226> is it normal for xubuntu 14.04 livecd to identify as kubuntu everywhere?
[09:44] <Unit193> ...No, are you sure you don't have Kubuntu?
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> what do you mean by identify and everywhere ?
[09:45] <Unit193> Seems his live session username at least.
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[09:46] <Guest91226> Unit193, yes, i am, i am on the livecd with no packages installed
[09:46] <Guest91226> no extra ones, i mean
[09:46] <Guest91226> well_laid_lawn, for example, after booting up, the livecd said, "Install Kubuntu" / "Try Kubuntu"
[09:46] <Guest91226> my username is also kubuntu
[09:47] <well_laid_lawn> when you try it do you have a xfce desktop ?
[09:47] <Guest91226> yes
[09:47] <Guest91226> i am on the livecd right now, and it is xfce
[09:47] <Guest91226> the icon on the desktop also says "Install Kubuntu 14.04 LTS"
[09:47] <Unit193> Source of the download and md5sum of the ISO?
[09:48] <Guest91226> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[09:48] <Guest91226> give me a sec for the md5sum
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> lsb-release is still a valid check ?
[09:48] <Guest91226> lsb_release -a says "Ubuntu 14.04 LTS"
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> the source of the iso might be the problem
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> people play silly games sometimes
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> ...
[09:49] <Guest91226> ae446659057ee49e57773bf446398856  xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:50] <Meerkat> my xubuntu iso also has that md5. I will try it.
[09:51] <Guest91226> yes, md5sum matches with what is on http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/xubuntu/14.04/release/
[09:52] <elfy> looks fine here - try xubuntu - xchat wants me to be xubuntu
[09:52] <Guest91226> i do have kubuntu installed on my system, but that should not matter, right?
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> does mount list any of you hdd's
[09:53] <well_laid_lawn> s/ou/our/
[09:54] <Guest91226> yes, well_laid_lawn , it lists /dev/sda3 now because i mounted it to run the md5sum
[09:55] <Unit193> Oh, real quick, cat /proc/cmdline
[09:56] <Guest91226> $ cat /proc/cmdline
[09:56] <Guest91226> file=/cdrom/multiboot/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper cdrom-detect/try-usb=true noprompt floppy.allowed_drive_mask=0 ignore_uuid live-media-path=/multiboot/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64/casper/ initrd=/multiboot/xubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash -- maybe-ubiquity
[09:58] <Unit193> And to be complete, pastebin /etc/casper.conf (IIRC?)
[09:58] <Guest91226> https://dpaste.de/DjkL
[09:59] <Guest91226> yes, that does say kubuntu at a few places, Unit193
[10:00] <Unit193> Indeed, now if I could only remember how it picked that up.  I know one way is boot options.
[10:02] <Guest91226> i used the multiboot tool in windows to create a liveusb with xubuntu, ubuntu-gnome, and plain ubuntu -- could that be a problem?
[10:02] <Unit193> I noticed the boot line was different, yeah.  Well, something made a difference for sure, not sure if it's that though.
[10:04] <Guest91226> probably not a bug in xubuntu then, correct?
[10:05] <Unit193> Not Xubuntu itself, but perhaps a core component.  I sure wouldn't expect an Xubuntu live disk to say Kubuntu. :)
[10:05] <elfy> neither 32 or 64 bit do anything unexpected
[10:05] <elfy> here
[10:05] <Guest91226> did you want me to file a bug for this?
[10:06] <Guest91226> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ -- is what i used
[10:11] <Unit193> I'll try and take a look later.
[10:11] <Guest91226> Unit193, tanks
[10:11] <Guest91226> thanks
[10:16] <Guest2199> Unit193: actually, never mind, the problem exists on all multi-boots created by this tool
[10:16] <Guest2199> even ubuntu-gnome thinks its kubuntu
[10:16] <Unit193> Mhmm, figured.  Taking something from the system, just not sure if casper or the tool is to blame.
[10:18] <ZeuGiRDoR> I have problems with desktop icons arrangement in Xubuntu 14.04
[10:19] <ZeuGiRDoR> Sometimes change position after reboot
[10:20] <ZeuGiRDoR> It seems to be this same bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1190990
[10:30] <qwertz_> hi there. seems the upgrade to 14.04 broke the "lock screen" feature. i still had xscreensaver installed. deinstalled it meanwhile. now, how do i place lightlocker in its place?
[10:31] <qwertz_> do i need to start it with my session?
[10:32] <Unit193> qwertz_: Have you checked in light-locker-settings?
[10:33] <qwertz_> Unit193,  yes, it says it's activated
[10:33] <Unit193> So, what makes you think it isn't?
[10:34] <qwertz_> okay, idea: i used to lock my screen using the Kupfer lanucher. this doesn't work. going the direct way using the menu does work.
[10:34] <qwertz_> okay, so Kupfer's fault.
[10:34] <Unit193> Have kupfer call xflock4?
[10:35] <qwertz_> the xfce session management plugin doesn't offer options, but luke will use the source here.
[10:37] <qwertz_> yep, "LOCKSCREEN_CMD = (["xdg-screensaver", "lock"], )"
[10:37] <Unit193> Mmmmm... I see, yeah.
[10:37] <qwertz_> yep, will fix that
[10:38] <Unit193> Wonder if even though light-locker isn't technically a screensaver, if it should go there.
[10:39] <qwertz_> hm, xflock4 has no ma page on xubuntu
[10:41] <Unit193> Bash script.
[10:48] <qwertz_> cool, this seems standard xfce, doesn't it?
[10:49] <qwertz_> if so, calling xflock4 works for most XFCE-based distros, i guess?
[10:50] <Unit193> It's from the xfce4-session package, it's an upstream file (http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/tree/scripts/xflock4) so should.
[10:52] <qwertz_> great, thank you very much, Unit193!
[10:52] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[11:37] <Reptilia> Dell Latitude E 6520 won't boot to Xubuntu, while using a Live USB to boot. I'll click on "Try Xubuntu", and it freezes. What could the problem be?
[11:46] <Reptilia> Dell Latitude E 6520 won't boot to Xubuntu, while using a Live USB to boot. I'll click on "Try Xubuntu", and it freezes. What could the problem be?
[11:48] <elfy> !patience | Reptilia
[11:57] <keeper_19_86> Hi, i've installed xubuntu-12.04 yesterday and i checked "install 3rd party stuff (mp3 support etc.)" However i cant play video or audio (mp3) files neighter in parole nor in the gmusicbrowser. There always follows a message like "your installation of gstreamer is missing a plugin". Unfortunatly it doesnt tell me which one, nor does it install it automatically
[11:57] <keeper_19_86> Has anybody here had the same issues?
[11:58] <well_laid_lawn> check in synaptic for gstreamer-dirty
[11:58] <well_laid_lawn> iirc that's the name
[11:59] <Reptilia> What a nice support, no one will reply, lol.
[12:00] <well_laid_lawn> Reptilia:  I'm not familiar with that issue
[12:00] <well_laid_lawn> try again in a little while
[12:00] <keeper_19_86> I got a reply ... @well_laid_lawn: Is it "gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly"?
[12:00] <elfy> Reptilia: first check that the download is good - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[12:01] <well_laid_lawn> keeper_19_86:  sounds like it might be
[12:01] <Reptilia> elfy: It is good, because i've already installed Xubuntu on another laptop, with the same USB.
[12:02] <Reptilia> elfy:And it's significantly older hardware than the DELL, and it booted relatively fast, and installed fast too.
[12:02] <elfy> Reptilia: k - when you boot - at the mbd/human symbol stage - hit any key - F6 and try nomodeset
[12:03] <elfy> s/mbd/kbd
[12:03] <Reptilia> elfy: What is "human symbol stage"?
[12:04] <well_laid_lawn> the boot menu
[12:04] <elfy> when it boots there is a screen with a smbol of a keyboard and human - hit any key then
[12:07] <keeper_19_86> well_laid_lawn: nope didnt work. Since i couldnt find any gstreamer dirty, i would try "gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad" next okay?
[12:07] <elfy> keeper_19_86: yes :)
[12:08] <well_laid_lawn> bad dirty ugly - how many do they need ?
[12:09] <elfy> just the good, the bad and the ugly :)
[12:11] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[12:15] <keeper_19_86> not funny ...
[12:15] <elfy> that's the names of them keeper_19_86
[12:16] <keeper_19_86> i know, but do i really need all of them? (i'd like to keep the system minimalistic)
[12:18] <brainwash_> keeper_19_86: see http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html
[12:18] <brainwash_> so, install what you actually need
[12:22] <keeper_19_86> brainwash_: problem is, i'm not really an expert at all this media/encoding/decoding/streaming - Stuff. I have a mp3 file and it wont play, and the player software keeps thelling "some gstreamer plugin is missing" but not which one ..
[12:23] <brainwash_> should be -bad in this case
[12:24] <keeper_19_86> installed it, still not working ...
[12:24] <Naughx> mp3 is a bad format anyway.
[12:27] <keeper_19_86> i know, but the only solution for this issue can't be "re-encode your music collection to ogg vorbis"
[12:28] <Naughx> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[12:28] <cfhowlett> keeper_19_86 sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:29] <keeper_19_86> cfhowlett: oh this sounds good ... i'm on it ...
[12:33] <flan_suse> The Indicator Plugin is very glitchy in 14.04.
[12:33] <flan_suse> If I connect / disconnect from networks, or use the sound icon, etc... the pop-up menu will be too small, or float way above the tray, or force me to scroll to select an item.
[12:34] <flan_suse> I haven't tested Ubuntu itself, only installed Xubuntu 14.04. Not sure if it's a GTK / Xfce issue.
[12:35] <keeper_19_86> cfhowlett: Thank you! It works :) :) :) (and of course thanks to you other guys - this just made my day a bit brighter)
[12:36] <cfhowlett> keeper_19_86 glad to help
[12:40] <Naughx> I don't like mp3 because it proprietary and lossy; Ogg is just lossy and Flac is lossless and open. (But for the latest the file size is "bigger")
[12:40] <Naughx> (Ogg is open too)
[12:41] <keeper_19_86> but lame is open right?
[12:41] <flan_suse> XF86Sleep button doesn't work on 14.04... works fine on 13.10 and earlier. :(
[12:42] <Naughx> @keeper_19_86, the encoder is, but not the format.
[12:46] <flan_suse> Erm, it says I got a notice?
[12:46] <flan_suse> Anyone using 14.04 with the panel on the bottom of the screen?
[12:56] <keeper_19_86> allright i'm off - once again Thank you!
[13:33] <delt> just wondering, in pavucontrol there's a setting for "system sounds" ... i never hear those, why?
[13:33] <peyam> yes
[13:34] <delt> i only hear a "pop" sound when setting certain volume levels
[13:34] <peyam> xfce doesnt make so much sound. but it still good to have it there
[13:35] <delt> *sigh* now my keyboard's key repeat doesn't work. even if i set it again from the keyboard settings :/
[13:38] <delt> oh btw, someone on here or #ubuntustudio told me a workaround for bug #1292290 (Window manager shortcut keys don't work after reboot)
[13:39] <delt> you have to delete the current mapping twice before setting a new one
[13:39] <delt> then it will be stored in the config.
[13:39] <delt> cfhowlett: awake?
[13:40] <delt> holstein: awake?
[13:40] <cfhowlett> delt what up?
[13:40] <cfhowlett> delt oh, I see
[13:40] <delt> cfhowlett: read above, i think it might help a lot for this bug
[13:40] <delt> 09:37 < delt> oh btw, someone on here or #ubuntustudio told me a workaround for bug #1292290 (Window manager shortcut keys don't work after reboot)
[13:40] <delt> 09:37 < delt> you have to delete the current mapping twice before setting a new one
[13:41] <peyam> delt, actually it worked for me just fine
[13:41] <peyam> haha
[13:45] <delt> ah, it's already listed on launchpad: "I found a workaround: clear before reassign!" \n "To make a shortcut to work ok, select an action you want to reassign and click 'Clear' button until it will really empty. Sometime if there is some (hidden?)duplicates, you will still see some shortcut(the same or different), even you clicked 'Clear' button. In this case just click the button again. Since the action shortcut is really empty, just assign your custom one as usu
[13:46] <DaveTheRave> Hi, I upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 and some of my notification area icons aren't displaying (notebale; Dropbox, deluge, Xchat). I've restarted and checked each app is set to go to system try but no joy. Other apps lite bitcoin-qy and owncloud show in the notification area fine. Any ideas?
[13:47] <delt> 14.04 still uses xfce 4.10 right?
[13:48] <DaveTheRave> Network icon is also misssing
[13:48] <DaveTheRave> yes 4.10
[13:48] <peyam> DaveTheRave, terminal : dropbox start
[13:49] <peyam> no 4.11 i believe
[13:49] <DaveTheRave> its already running
[13:49] <nhoj> apt-cache policy xfce4
[13:49] <amigamagic> actually some things are 4.11, others are 4.10
[13:50] <delt> looks like a recipe for disaster :/
[13:51] <nhoj> apt-cache policy xfce4-panel
[13:51] <amigamagic> I think they tried to mix the more stabler ones.
[13:51] <DaveTheRave> xfce4:   Installed: (none)   Candidate: 4.10.1   Version table:      4.10.1 0         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
[13:52] <DaveTheRave> xfce4-panel:   Installed: 4.11.0-0ubuntu1   Candidate: 4.11.0-0ubuntu1   Version table:  *** 4.11.0-0ubuntu1 0         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:04] <delt> cfhowlett: there's also this slight bug with mouse cursors
[14:04] <cfhowlett> delt sorry, I'm not qualified to advise or fix that kind of stuff.
[14:04] <delt> when you logout and log back in, sometimes the default mouse cursors are shown instead of the ones selected under settings ---> mouse
[14:07] <gumble> under Linux Mint XFCE Edition I could right click on the speaker symbol and in the appearing dialog then put the volume to about 150%. I can't now under xubuntu, is there a way to do this?
[14:08] <elfy> pavucontrol
[14:09] <delt> pavucontrol should be the default volume applet in xubuntu right?
[14:11] <delt> bug #1259339
[14:11] <delt> planning to install on my parents laptop... :/
[14:11] <delt> if i disable all actions on lid close, does this bug still occur?
[14:17] <elfy> delt: I'll check - not sure what the state of that is - been testing with a ppa
[14:19] <gumble> hmm pavucontrol is installed indeed
[14:19] <gumble> but it isn't used as applet in my top bar
[14:19] <gumble> dunno why
[14:19] <elfy> gumble: it is in the indicator panel for sound - sound settings
[14:20] <delt> gumble: install package indicator-sound-gtk2
[14:20] <delt> that fixed it for me
[14:21] <gumble> is installed. but I am using the old home folder I had under arch linux
[14:21] <gumble> could be that some settings here mess it up
[14:21] <gumble> I'll look that up later
[14:22] <gumble> for first manually starting pavucontrol is enough :) thanks!
[14:22] <delt> gumble: you can bind a key to start it, i have ctrl+alt+v =)
[14:22] <gumble> oh yea thats a good idea! thanks again
[14:26] <elfy> delt: seems so I'm afraid
[14:26] <delt> elfy: this bug isn't new from 14.04?
[14:27] <elfy> not sure if there was an old one - but I didn't know anything about it till a short while ago
[14:38] <delt> in /etc/systemd/logind.conf changing HandleLidSwitch to ignore - should this fix the "screen stays black" issue?
[14:39] <delt> elfy: in /etc/systemd/logind.conf changing HandleLidSwitch to ignore - should this fix the "screen stays black" issue?
[14:39] <delt> ie. closing lid should do nothing?
[14:44] <delt> interesting... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/49521
[14:46] <delt> is there any way to still use xscreensaver in 14.04?
[14:49] <amigamagic> knome, are you there?
[14:50] <nhoj> delt, it appears that others here have switched to xscreensaver; perhaps remove lightlocker
[14:58] <delt> light-locker looks like junk! why did they choose that over xscreensaver???
[15:00] <nhoj> delt, there are many fastidious comments averring xscreensaver unattractive, even 'butt-ugly.  Go Figure. I am sure there are more pertinent technical reasons.
[15:01] <nhoj> delt, ;|
[15:01] <roel> hi. how can I add more stuff in my notification area like volume indication, lan connection indication,... http://roelaro21.twentyone.axc.nl/press/notif-area.png ?
[15:03] <delt> great. now i insert a usb reader and it doesn't appear on the desktop. I need this to be user-friendly for my parents :(
[15:05] <nhoj> What is a 'usb reader'?
[15:05] <delt> uh... sd card reader
[15:06] <delt> connected to the usb port. it should appear on the desktop right?
[15:06] <nhoj> lsusb -- check usb
[15:06] <delt> yeah, i can mount it manually
[15:06] <delt> but the average newbie user probably couldn't
[15:09] <nhoj> there was a bug against thunar volman about automatically detecting media and showing it in the file manager. Yes I believe it should be on your desktop.  Unless perhaps it does not have a storage card inserted.  Dunno?
[15:11] <delt> yeah, like i said the partition shows up with 'dmesg' and i can mount it manually
[15:12] <nhoj> I thought that bug was confirmed and released fixed however.
[15:12] <delt> might be something i disabled/modified....
[15:13] <nhoj> lotsa stuff to fiddle with yet eh :)
[15:14] <nhoj> look in Settings -> Removeable Drives and Media
[15:15] <delt> yeah i did
[15:16] <nhoj> hopefully someone else will take a look at the problem for you
[15:17] <Guest7802> hi all, I just installed xubuntu but are not able to enter the pass phrase  at login
[15:18] <Guest7802> find this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1238194  but can't find any info on how to edit the filesystem from the DVD
[15:18] <nhoj> Guest7802, do you mean that the password you know is not accepted or there is not place to put it?
[15:19] <Guest7802> nhoj, the keybord don't work
[15:19] <roel> hallo ? can I get help?
[15:20] <nhoj> Well, that would do it eh :(
[15:21] <Guest7802> as I understand the bug report  I need to edit a file on the OS using the install DVD but are not able to find any info about how this is done, do anybody know ?
[15:21] <nhoj> roel, please just ask a question or describe your problem
[15:21] <nhoj> http://www.softpanorama.org/Commercial_linuxes/Startup_and_shutdown/root_password_recovery.shtml#Using_init_bash_trick_in_grub
[15:22] <nhoj> Guest7802, ^^ several ways are described therein
[15:23] <roel> nhoj, I did above: volume indication, network indication are missing in notification area
[15:23] <nhoj> !patience
[15:25] <nhoj> roel, take a look Settings  -> Panel -> Items while you are waiting.
[15:29] <Guest7802> nhoj, I don't think how to do this is described in the link you provided, what I need to do is to edit "/etc/initramfs-tools/modules"
[15:30] <Guest7802> but how can I mount that file ?  (from DVD)
[15:30] <sjakoo> Hi I just installed xubuntu 14.04 and I am wondering how to create links to the desktop with Thunar, any ideas?
[15:30] <sjakoo> There used to be something like send to the desktop
[15:30] <nhoj> Guest7802, sorry, hopefully someone will understand and respond later
[15:31] <Guest7802> nhoj, ok, thanks for trying
[15:32] <Migho> Hi! I had a lot of problems when installing newest xubuntu into my old non-pae laptop, but seems like its working now. i have only one problem: the wifi indicator appears to the panel maybe ~5mins after launch, and before this i cant use wifi. any ideas why it takes so long?
[15:32] <nhoj> sjakoo, right click in thunar and selected sent to...Desktop (create link)
[15:32] <sjakoo> nhoj that's what I remembered but it's not there in 14.04 (fresh install)
[15:33] <roel> nhoj: i see it now there, but I'll beter restart after those errors. I restart now.
[15:34] <nhoj> sjakoo, perhaps you can look elsewhere while you wait for some response here
[15:34] <nhoj> !patience
[15:35] <sjakoo> nhoj, yeah I already looked on google, but it seems this feature is only recently/hidden or removed can't find anything about it
[15:36] <sjakoo> Hope thunar does not goes the same direction as nautilus, where all the useful bling is being stripped off
[15:36] <nhoj> !patience
[15:36] <elfy> sjakoo: I have that option in thunar here
[15:37] <nhoj> me 2
[15:37] <elfy> nhoj: will you please stop trying to trigger the bot for no reason
[15:37] <sjakoo> elfy, 14.04?
[15:37] <elfy> sjakoo: yep
[15:37] <nhoj> yes, sorry, the reason was that it shows other resources.  That is not the right way then
[15:37] <sjakoo> elfy, fresh install?
[15:37] <elfy> sjakoo: more or less
[15:38] <elfy> just booting live session
[15:38] <sjakoo> elfy, that's weird
[15:39] <sjakoo> elfy, I really don't have it there only is create url link
[15:39] <sjakoo> and create launcher or create folder
[15:40] <Guest7802> so I got the bug described here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1238194  and need to mount the filesystem from the DVD but are not able to figure out what to mount and what command to use
[15:40] <elfy> sjakoo: what type of file are you trying to create a link for
[15:40] <Guest7802> here is a gist over what "mount" return https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11117062
[15:40] <sjakoo> elfy, link to folder on the desktop
[15:41] <Guest7802> where can I find "/etc/initramfs-tools/modules" ?
[15:42] <sjakoo> elfy, I am an idiot, if you select a folder you can send it to the desktop
[15:42] <sjakoo> pfff sorry bothering you & thanks for your time
[15:42] <elfy> sjakoo: :)
[15:43] <roel> nhoj, i'm back: the indicator plugin crashes too often to use volume indication
[15:47] <Guest7802> that you are not able to login to a new installed system total suck !!!  I have a 13.10 DVD  but maybe this issue is fixed in 14.04 ?
[15:47] <nhoj> roel, perhaps someone else can help...
[15:47] <delt> heh, i try a different sd card and now it appears on the desktop :D
[15:47] <roel> nhoj, i think i found it finally : the plugin forced the menu to move, but that was a problem for much programs
[15:47] <delt> and cd's don't appear because i added the cdrom device to my /etc/fstab
[15:48] <Guest7802> also maybe I selected the wrong install medium, then I boot the DVD I get 2 options 1. windowns and 2. EFI  what are th difference between them ?
[15:49] <nhoj> roel, do you mean that there were too many programs to display in the indicator?
[15:50] <roel> no, stuff like 'File', 'Edit',... where shown there. That was the problem of the errors.
[15:51] <nhoj> roel, So, is it now fixed?
[15:52] <roel> yes, although I don't know why I cant choose it's position exactly... maybe because of the plug in...
[15:53] <nhoj> roel, can you use the Settings/Panel/Items method to arrange them?
[15:54] <snuggyfoofy> Is anyone available to help me out with a fresh install + ATI proprietary drivers/xinerama ?
[15:54] <roel> yes, although I tought I was able to indicate what can be set in corner right.
[15:58] <Guest7802> I give up on getting 13.10 running and will try 14.04 instead,  are there any image provided for macbooks (EFI) ?  Are the ubuntu spyware included in this new distro ?
[15:59] <snuggyfoofy> Does anyone here successfully run dual monitors + ATI + 14.04?
[15:59] <nhoj> spyware? seriously?
[15:59] <knome> Guest7802, please quit the FUD
[16:00] <knome> nhoj, he's referring to the feature that gets amazon search results by default on the unity dash
[16:00] <knome> nhoj, spyware? not really.
[16:01] <nhoj> Snowden did not mention unity, I gather. ;)
[16:02] <knome> if you want to discuss the amazon search result feature in unity, you can discuss it on #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:03] <Guest7802> knome, I don't want to discuss it, I just want to know if it is included in 14.04
[16:04] <Guest7802> ?
[16:04] <delt> haha "snuggyfoofy"
[16:04] <delt> best name ever :D
[16:04] <knome> Guest7802, there is no such feature on xubuntu 14.04 by default.
[16:05] <knome> delt, this is a support channel, please let's keep on topic
[16:06] <heikkiket> Does anyone else have problems with Thunar and html filenames with spaces?
[16:06] <Guest7802> knome, thanks
[16:06] <knome> heikkiket, do you mean with opening them in firefox?
[16:06] <knome> heikkiket, or $browser
[16:07] <heikkiket> When I try to open html file from folder that has space in itse filename, Firefox doesn't get the name right
[16:07] <heikkiket> knome: I have tried just Firefox
[16:07] <knome> heikkiket, yeah, i think the filename isn't passed correctly
[16:07] <heikkiket> but in Thunar the function is "Open in Web browser", so maybe it's $browser then?
[16:07] <knome> heikkiket, i'd file a bug. if you do, ping me back with the bug number, and i'll "me too" it
[16:08] <knome> thunar could be nicer and put the filename in quotes
[16:08] <knome> because it should work then even with firefox
[16:15] <heikkiket> knome: can I file bug in Launchpad or should I use xfce bugzilla?
[16:18] <folkie> hi. is there an easy way to change the whisker menu icon?
[16:21] <amigamagic> folkie, right-click on the whisker menu, properties, and icon
[16:21] <folkie> man, didnt expect it to be that simple. thanks!
[16:21] <amigamagic> :)
[16:24] <delt> knome: ok, sorry
[16:25] <knome> heikkiket, launchpad is fine
[16:28] <heikkiket> knome: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10837
[16:29] <heikkiket> Didn't find bug reporting link from launchpad so created xfce bugzilla account
[16:29] <knome> heikkiket, ubuntu-bug package-name
[16:30] <knome> heikkiket, ..but xfce bugzilla is fine as well
[16:58] <qwertz_> how do you get indicators back once you clicked "clear known indicators" in the menu?
[17:03] <brainwash> simply relog
[17:15] <xubuntu422> frohe ostern :)
[17:17] <xubuntu422> can anybody tell me how to untervolt a amd-cpu using xubuntu 14.04? there are no sources for linux-phc :-((((
[17:18] <McManiaC> why wont my compose key work if i assign it to the print key
[17:23] <siru> hi
[17:24] <siru> does xubuntu have a keyring/keychain app?
[17:44] <flux242> does anybody know what package creates /usr/share/app-install/icons/ folder?
[18:15] <nhoj> flux242, app-install-data |  apt-file search  /usr/share/app-install/icons/
[18:16] <flux242> nhoj: good tip, thanks
[18:16] <nhoj> flux242, apt-cache policy app-install-data
[18:16] <nonil> hi how to connect to wifi
[18:54] <pratz> Hello guys
[18:54] <pratz> I just installed xubuntu 14.04
[18:54] <pratz> and conkyrc is not working for me
[18:54] <pratz> I can not see the graphics, though i can see the text
[18:54] <pratz> what might be the problem ?
[19:13] <McManiaC> is it possible to use fglrx + grub2 with a non standard resolution (framebuffer)?
[19:13] <McManiaC> ie. my laptop has 1336x768 as native res
[19:15] <delt> McManiaC: yes
[19:15] <delt> McManiaC: though it takes a bit of futzing around with config files
[19:15] <delt> take a look at: http://askubuntu.com/questions/103516/grub2-use-maximum-detected-resolution
[19:16] <delt> or http://forum.linuxcareer.com/threads/1661-Change-tty-font-size-with-Grub-2-boot-console-resolution
[19:17] <delt> or this one might be better: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1956511
[19:21] <ZatsuneNoMokou> hi
[19:21] <ZatsuneNoMokou> anybody here?
[19:28] <knome> ZatsuneNoMokou, no, we're all hiding.
[19:28] <ZatsuneNoMokou> XD ahahah
[19:28] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Evil people
[19:28] <knome> did you have a support question?
[19:29] <ZatsuneNoMokou> yeah
[19:30] <ZatsuneNoMokou> is there a way to re-generate completely menu? I'm on the 14.04 with whisker/menulibre and the old config made with alacarte to hide some programs is getting on my nerves
[19:30] <ZatsuneNoMokou> I tried to delete ~/.config/menu the thing in the ~/.local too
[19:31] <McManiaC> delt: doesnt really work
[19:32] <bluesabre> ZatsuneNoMokou, to clean it up...
[19:32] <nhoj> ZatsuneNoMokou, I don't know if that would do what you want but while you are logged in you won't be really able to get rid of those.  Log out then Cntrl Alt F1 to get a shell perhaps it will stick.
[19:33] <bluesabre> delete ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[19:33] <bluesabre> and remove items in ~/.local/share/applications
[19:33] <bluesabre> you may need to log out as well
[19:34] <nhoj> log out before you delete with the tty terminal I think.
[19:34] <ZatsuneNoMokou> and closing xfce-panel and restarting after? xD
[19:35] <ZatsuneNoMokou> thanks still, there's no other hidden file?
[19:35] <bluesabre> yeah, that should restore it to defaults
[19:35] <bluesabre> there is also *-merged in ~/.config/menus
[19:35] <bluesabre> other than that, that's everything
[19:36] <ZatsuneNoMokou> the merged, there's only wine stuff inside
[19:36] <bluesabre> also, try this command
[19:36] <bluesabre> xdg-desktop-menu forceupdate
[19:37] <delt> check. from the 14.04 livecd, simply closing the laptop and reopening it: unusable state, black screen.
[19:37] <bluesabre> delt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[19:38] <bluesabre> there is a fix-in-progress for this bug
[19:45] <delt> i can't believe this hasn't been fixed immediately... let alone years later :/
[19:46] <knome> delt, well, patches are welcome
[20:05] <delt> well, this fix didn't work :/ http://askubuntu.com/questions/76994/screen-stays-black-after-closing-and-reopening-the-lid
[20:09] <brainwash> delt: are you familiar with PPAs? if yes, please test xfce4-power-manager from https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[20:14] <delt> brainwash: yeah, although i prefer to avoid using them if possible :/
[20:15] <delt> 2sec. i'll connect to this session from the laptop
[20:15] <brainwash> it's only for testing purpose
[20:15] <brainwash> and you are running a live session, right?
[20:16] <brainwash> you have to restart xfce4-power-manager (or the session) after installing the new package
[20:20] <delt> *sigh* my laptop is UNUSABLE again, after just closing and reopening the lid
[20:20] <delt> how did this junk even get released??
[20:21] <delt> 2sec....
[20:22] <brainwash> so the package from my PPA did not resolve the problem?
[20:22] <delt> "xset dpms force on" - still black screen
[20:22] <delt> brainwash: i will test it as soon as i get my laptop back in a usable state
[20:22] <brainwash> ah ok
[20:22] <brainwash> you have to run "xrandr --auto"
[20:23] <brainwash> or restart lightdm with "sudo restart lightdm"
[20:23] <delt> ah, ok now we got it.
[20:23] <delt> is there any way to auto-run this when the lid gets open?
[20:23] <delt> some callback script somewhere?
[20:23] <delt> anyway, first let's test your power management package...
[20:24] <brainwash> make sure to restart xfce4-power-manager
[20:24] <delt> ok,, i'm at the laptop now.
[20:25] <delt> so what was the command to add the ppa?
[20:25] <brainwash> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:thad-fisch/test
[20:26] <delt> then apt-get install xfce4-power-manager right?
[20:26] <brainwash> apt-get update
[20:26] <brainwash> first
[20:26] <delt> oh
[20:27] <delt> yes, i remember doing this when i installed this laptop originally
[20:27] <delt> (now it's running a live session)
[20:28] <delt> theoretically i could just save the .deb package and run it if my parents laptop don't have internet access, right?
[20:28] <brainwash> indeed
[20:28] <delt> ok great.
[20:28] <delt> now i just kill the power manager process?
[20:28] <brainwash> yes
[20:29] <delt> uh it didn't come back. i run it again?
[20:29] <brainwash> run "xfce4-power-manager --debug" in a terminal window
[20:29] <brainwash> this also enables debug mode
[20:29] <delt> ok, outputting a bunch of stuff
[20:30] <delt> now i test closing and reopening the laptop lid?
[20:30] <brainwash> right
[20:30] <brainwash> yes
[20:31] <delt> nope. still had a black screen. had to go to the other machine and reset it again with xrandr
[20:31] <brainwash> ok, thanks for testing :)
[20:31] <delt> no prob
[20:31] <delt> is there some callback script where i can run xrand from, when the lid gets open
[20:31] <delt> ?
[20:31] <brainwash> maybe we need to think about a complex fix
[20:32] <brainwash> you could add a pm-utils script which gets executed on resume
[20:33] <TaxmanBD> hey guys, is it worth it to upgrade to 14.4 on my lowend netbook, the highlights features seem to be mostly visual enhancement.
[20:33] <brainwash> upgrade from?
[20:34] <TaxmanBD> 12.4 LTS
[20:34] <delt> brainwash: it doesn't matter what i set "when lid is closed" even to "nothing", still black screen
[20:34] <brainwash> delt: oh, that's odd
[20:35] <brainwash> but "nothing" does not trigger the lock screen, right?
[20:35] <delt> no
[20:35] <brainwash> TaxmanBD: I suggest that you wait until 14.04.1 is released (in few months)
[20:35] <delt> "lock screen" either afaict
[20:37] <TaxmanBD> brainwash, ok thx, and the iso seems heavier ~900 mb, I really need a lightweight OS on my poor netbook
[20:37] <delt> brainwash: what about stuff in /etc/acpi ?
[20:38] <brainwash> delt: mmh, I don't think that there is any script for the lid close event present in 14.04
[20:38] <brainwash> you could try to stop the acpi daemon (sudo stop acpid) and test again
[20:39] <delt> what about /etc/systemd/logind.conf ?
[20:40] <holstein> delt: pong
[20:40] <brainwash> not sure, do you want to change anything in this config file?
[20:42] <brainwash> the black screen problem is caused by xfce4-power-manager triggering light-locker (lock on suspend)
[20:42] <delt> #HandleLidSwitch=suspend    changed to:   HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[20:43] <delt> even if it's a completely black screen, with no prompts or anything?
[20:43] <delt> even trying to change vt's doesn't fix it
[20:43] <delt> the LCD is off
[20:43] <delt> not just black pixels
[20:43] <brainwash> you can try this, but the power-manager "should" prevent systemd from doing anything on button events and lid close
[20:44] <brainwash> oh, so the backlight is off
[20:44] <delt> yeah
[20:44] <delt> but it does come back on (and usable) with xrandr --auto
[20:45] <brainwash> does it also happen after disabling "lock on suspend" and light-locker (settings manager > light locker settings)?
[20:45] <delt> it's already disabled
[20:45] <delt> (i guess default for the live session)
[20:45] <brainwash> indeed, forgot about that
[20:46] <delt> damn, i need this usable in the next hour at most! :(
[20:47] <delt> btw what was wrong with xscreensaver?
[20:47] <delt> it had some nice screen savers with it :(
[20:48] <delt> anyway, what script gets called when the lid is opened?
[20:48] <brainwash> I prefer xscreensaver :)
[20:48] <delt> i'd just add "xrandr --auto" to that
[20:49] <brainwash> see http://askubuntu.com/a/92235
[20:51] <delt> brainwash: but i'm not suspending on lid close
[20:51] <delt> i just want it to do nothing
[20:52] <brainwash> ah ok
[20:53] <brainwash> can you kill xfce4-power-manager and test again
[20:53] <brainwash> + #HandleLidSwitch=suspend    changed to:   HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[20:53] <brainwash> so neither power-manager nor systemd should do anything on lid close
[20:54] <delt> what about systemd, do i restart it as well?
[20:54] <brainwash> usually no
[20:54] <brainwash> should take effect immediately
[20:55] <delt> now my laptop HANGED.
[20:55] <delt> (back at the main machine)
[20:55] <brainwash> you cannot switch to tty1?
[20:56] <delt> i can't even ping it
[20:56] <brainwash> very strange
[20:56] <delt> although the caps lock key still toggles
[20:57] <brainwash> not a fun thing to do, but can you verify this by doing it again?
[20:59] <delt> doing the whole thing again, ie. rebooting, installing your ppa, updating xfce power manager, etc ...?
[20:59] <delt> *sigh* here we go....
[20:59] <brainwash> just rebotting
[20:59] <brainwash> rebooting
[21:00] <delt> yeah but it's a live session... well was a live session
[21:00] <delt> so i have to start by reconfiguring my network
[21:01] <delt> ok, laptop is booting from the xubuntu cd
[21:01] <brainwash> it would be also interesting to know what happens if you logout out from the live session and close the lid
[21:02] <brainwash> so only the login greeter is running
[21:02] <delt> about 30 minutes left till my brother comes to pick me up....
[21:03] <brainwash> I'm not a magician :) on top of that, your problem seems to somewhat different than the widely reported black screen issue caused by light-locker
[21:07] <delt> ok, i'm at the laptop....
[21:07] <delt> so, people have a DIFFERENT problem than this one?
[21:07] <delt> yeah in my previous attempt i removed light-locker and installed xscreensaver
[21:08] <brainwash> most solved it by removing light-locker or going back to xscreensaver
[21:08] <brainwash> so your issue differs a bit
[21:09] <brainwash> but it might be the same cause
[21:09] <delt> ok, so i'm going to logout from this session, and close the lid
[21:10] <delt> just installed telnetd so i can log back in from the other machine
[21:10] <brainwash> ok
[21:13] <delt> weird
[21:13] <delt> had to reboot
[21:14] <delt> it gave me a black screen, but the lcd was on (black pixels)
[21:15] <brainwash> :(
[21:15] <delt> so it's rebooting now... AGAIN
[21:16] <delt> laptop is a toshiba tecra btw....
[21:19] <brainwash> sadly no clue why it fails
[21:19] <brainwash> next step would be to test xubuntu 13.10
[21:20] <xubuntu380> Hello
[21:21] <brainwash> xubuntu380: hi
[21:21] <xubuntu380> I've upgraded to 14.04 from 12.04
[21:21] <xubuntu380> It works fine, just some little quirks
[21:22] <xubuntu380> For example, Mugshot doesn't start
[21:22] <delt> brainwash: i'll test this at my parents house and report back how it goes...
[21:22] <xubuntu380> I tried in a terminal and got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7294516/
[21:22] <xubuntu380> Any hints?
[21:22] <knome> xubuntu380, do you have PPA's enabled?
[21:23] <xubuntu380> yes, i think
[21:23] <delt> brainwash: actually i have 13.10 installed on this laptop and it works fine.
[21:24] <bluesabre> xubuntu380: that looks like a legitimate bug in mugshot
[21:24] <xubuntu380> @knome do you mean i have to explicitly re-activate the old PPAs?
[21:24] <delt> just had a similar (but much less severe) problem with xfce4-power-manager that got fixed with, i believe, the one on your ppa
[21:24] <bluesabre> are you familiar with reporting bugs on launchpad?
[21:24] <knome> xubuntu380, no, i'm asking if you have PPA's enabled
[21:24] <brainwash> delt: so you keep 13.10 for a bit longer
[21:24] <xubuntu380> not really
[21:24] <delt> yeah, looks like it...
[21:24] <knome> xubuntu380, ok, then follow bluesabre's suggestion
[21:25] <bluesabre> it's really easy, if you're interested in learning :)
[21:25] <knome> (and very helpful)
[21:25] <bluesabre> from terminal, just do "ubuntu-bug mugshot"
[21:25] <xubuntu380> ok, i'll try, thanks!
[21:25] <bluesabre> it will open a web browser at launchpad
[21:25] <bluesabre> thanks!
[21:29] <razorbuzz> Good afternoon / Happy Easter.  I just updated to 14.04, had a few issues, so ended up doing a "reinstall" from the install media.  Home folders were kept, but users were deleted.  Do I just recreate the same user, rename the userfolder, and update permissions?
[21:29] <razorbuzz> And followup: One of the users had an encrypted Home. I know how to access them as another user, so I can just move them into the recreated user, but is there a way to maintain the encryption?
[21:40] <xubuntu380> Mmm, I can't log in to launchpad (Invalid OpenID transaction) in order to send the mugshot bug report
[21:42] <knome> xubuntu380, do you have a launchpad account?
[21:43] <xubuntu380> yes, my password manager remembered it (i didn't)
[21:44] <xubuntu314> I'm having an issue with window transparency in a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04. Left clicking the mouse wheel lowers the transparency of a given window, but I cannot revert the transparancy (used to with ctrl + mouse scroll) nor can I find the options to change how I adjust this setting.
[21:44] <xubuntu380> @knome but i can't login (four tries already)
[21:45] <TheSheep> xubuntu380: that's alt+scroll on the window title, afair
[21:46] <xubuntu380> TheSheep sorry?
[21:46] <xubuntu314> It is adjusting desktop zoom when I use alt+scroll
[21:46] <TheSheep> xubuntu380: wrong nick, sorry
[21:47] <xubuntu380> ah, ok, theSheep, you were talking to xubuntu314 :)
[21:47] <TheSheep> xubuntu314: desktop zoom? are you using xubuntu?
[21:47] <xubuntu380> yeah, we're cousins :9
[21:48] <TheSheep> xubuntu314: because I don't remember xubuntu having any form of zoom enabled by default
[21:48] <xubuntu314> Yeah, just installed 14.04 Xubuntu
[21:48] <xubuntu314> Fresh install, nothing changed at all
[21:49] <bluesabre> TheSheep, window zoom was added to the xfce compositor with 14.04
[21:49] <TheSheep> ah, no idea about 14.04, didn't try it yet
[21:49] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:49] <TheSheep> I'm waiting for a clear upgrade path
[21:49] <bluesabre> not sure about how to toggle window transparency now
[21:57] <wye> Hey, installed the new xubuntu a few days ago. I'm getting dropped to an
[21:57] <wye> initramfs screen, I ran ubuntu boot repair but it didn't do anything.
[21:57] <wye> Here's the log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7294702/
[22:10] <crackoscl> hola
[22:12] <crackoscl> com canonical indicators sounds blacklisted no works
[22:12] <subvert> hi.. i have a complaint about xubuntu
[22:14] <subvert> i installed the latest version on my hp 2000 laptop it began to crash after about 10 minutes into my first boot.. the laptop then attacked and killed my dog
[22:14] <subvert> is this normal?
[22:18] <nomic> yes
[22:18] <nhoj> but it should not take 10 minutes
[22:19] <ParkerR> Dog attack mode shouldn't take more than about a minute to initalize
[22:20] <ParkerR> *initialize
[22:42] <xubuntu164> hi
[22:43] <xubuntu164> openjdk 1.7
[22:48] <Guest54546> ok
[22:48] <pandragon> I am trying to install inkscape 0.48.4. I have the right ppa, I think, but synaptic only shows the -3 version. The trunk versions give me an internal error on launch.  Any ideas? Thanks!
[22:49] <pandragon> xubuntu 12.04
[22:59] <ace_case> Hey
[22:59] <ace_case> I'm having some odd display issues
[23:00] <ace_case> In the terminal, when entering comands it will often make that whole line semitransparent and show whatever program is behind it
[23:00] <ace_case> Also, in the settings, some icons are missing
[23:00] <ace_case> I can still access it, but the image for it isn't there
[23:01] <ace_case> Sometimes it appears after I roll over it, but other times it doesn't
[23:01] <ace_case> And most of the time when it appears after rolling over it, it disappears when I roll over the next one
[23:02] <ace_case> I have a screenshot here
[23:02] <ace_case> http://imgur.com/fKVOY2b
[23:04] <ace_case> Anyone?
[23:49] <ace_case> Did anyone see my problem from before?
[23:50] <ace_case> imgur.com/fKVOY2bT
[23:51] <ace_case> I don't have an image for the terminal issue
[23:51] <ace_case> But parts of it randomly go transparent
[23:53] <nonya> can not seem to get the desktop background to change and the right click menu not showing
[23:54] <ace_case> http://imgur.com/Iw14cCN
[23:54] <ace_case> Here's the image of the terminal issue
[23:56] <ace_case> I just installed the Terminator terminal, and the issue is still present
[23:56] <nonya> yet when i hook up my iphone 4 the files are there in gigalo but rythmbox keeps crashing  gtkpod will not show the files when i pick iphon4 from the drop down list