[00:25] hi anyone here who can help? [00:27] I have upgraded to kubuntu 14.04 but I have some errors [00:35] what problems are you having? [00:42] good morning, afternoon, night.. [00:43] can you help me with repository issue? i want to know whether there are kontact related packages in 14.04 web repositories [00:43] i am struggling with this issue since friday as i am trying to update via web === sgubanoff is now known as G_ray [00:48] http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kate/?C=M;O=A [00:48] why is there a newer kate package for 13.10 than for 14.04 ? [01:16] nescius: please file a bug on launchpad; if there is an newer version indeed something was overlooked in the release [01:16] I think you can use `ubuntu-bug kate` [01:44] valorie: thats cool! doing it right now [01:44] btw do you run 14.04? [01:55] nescius: I've been running it since beta1 [01:55] smooth as silk [01:55] that ubuntu-bug command really helps when you are testing [02:00] thanks, its really helpful, however in meantime i found a newer version of kate in universe [02:00] which does not work while trying to update to the 14.04.. for some reason [02:01] def. a packaging bug then [02:01] I assume someone overlooked the version number [02:02] or uploaded a wrongly-versioned file [02:02] Stuff Happens [tm] [03:49] Why Konversation was replaced by Quassel as the default IRC client? [03:50] Ekush3y: that happened years ago when Konvi wasn't ready for the release [03:50] and we never changed back [03:51] I prefer and use konvi, but understand that stability is important too [03:52] I wish we had never felt it necessary to change, because I <3 Konvi [04:02] hi Valorie [04:04] I haven't tried a fresh installation of Kubuntu in a long time, i've been upgrading in the last few years after every release. [04:04] same here [04:05] Yesterday I used the 14.04 live CD to install at a friend's computer and realized there is no Konversation. How is life without Konversation? I've always used it and nothing compares to it. :) [04:06] it is easily installable [04:06] just not provided on the ISO [04:06] So is this Quassel a part of the KDE suit? Or does it come with Ubuntu only? [04:07] it is a Qt application [04:07] I don't know if other KDE distros provide it by default [04:07] Wow [04:07] That's surprising [04:07] what's surprising? [04:09] Nevermind, I've to run now... thanks for your time valorie [04:09] Bye... === julian is now known as Guest68669 [04:39] do you know how to get details from apt? i am trying to get kate to install, it takes all its dependencies and then rejects to install as there is some conflict, but WHAT? [04:40] http://paste.kde.org/p9kvz9pqu [04:42] nescius: did you try `sudo apt-get install -f`? [04:42] also, do you have any PPAs or pins that could be causing this? [04:43] valorie: i had, at some time, i am now trying to remove EVERYTHING [04:43] all ppa repos are gone now [04:43] i tried the -f with no difference [04:44] http://paste.kde.org/pmdx0jjwq [04:44] just -f, no kate [04:45] that makes it try to fix all dependencies [04:45] nothing changed [04:45] :( [04:45] this is in 14.04, correct? [04:45] this is saucy now [04:46] i have same issues with the 'trusty' [04:46] nescius: Try aptitude instead of apt [04:46] i have saucy repos, no kde packages installed.. [04:46] nescius: Try aptitude instead of apt-get* [04:46] captain_haddock: i tried aptitude, apt, synaptic, muon (when it was installed) [04:47] synaptic has some results - it sets every depencencies for kate and then selects kate itself for removal.. [04:48] very peculiar [04:48] nescius: What does "no kde packages installed" mean? [04:48] I"m sure nobody messed with saucy packages [04:49] captain_haddock: i removed them as packages, i only have what is opened in my current session :( [04:49] valorie: i am sure i messed my apt db somehow [04:51] which install -f should fix, nescius [04:51] if you use it exactly as i typed it above [04:51] nothing else [04:51] oh, after doing an apt-get update [04:52] and probably dist-upgrade as well === kubuntu is now known as nodice [04:54] here are the results -http://paste.kde.org/p9zh24hn3 [04:54] kubuntu doesn't work for me - same problem as before [04:54] nescius: perhaps you should try installing KDE properly first? (or kubuntu-desktop) [04:54] 13.10 and 14.04 and no change!!!!!!!!!!! [04:55] nescius: don't do it! [04:55] nodice: What is the same problem as before? [04:55] my smartphone won't connect [04:56] I can connect with ubuntu and gnome [04:56] so, it is a kde-based issue?? [04:56] captain_haddock: i tried what you suggested: http://paste.kde.org/pgjdi1swt [04:57] why would you install kde? [04:57] nodice: smartphone? [04:57] yes, my htc one x [04:57] damn, something is seriously broken in your system, nescius [04:58] this is a plain saucy install, up to date, no pinning, no PPAs? [04:58] valorie: i know, i have the same for too long.. upgraded from the last LTS [04:59] nescius: try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ark audiocd-kio (etc.); list all dependencies [04:59] so with all the smartphones out there, the kde devs didn't address the problems at all [04:59] nothing is pinned, there were some kde ppas before the 4.11.5 [04:59] so you went 12.04 > 12.10 > 13.04 > 13.10 ? [04:59] nodice: stop whining and explain your problem properly. [05:00] it won't open anything - aka won't mount [05:00] available devices shows 3 logos lol [05:00] That is not explaining your problem properly. [05:00] lolol [05:00] nodice, did you file a bug about this before? [05:00] yes, long ago [05:00] I got rid of kubuntu since it was never fixed [05:01] any comments or feedback on your bug report? [05:01] thanks for your help, this does not work, i am going to drop apt and try pacman instead, maybe it will output something tangable and usefull [05:01] my phone connects just fine [05:01] nescius: not for kubuntu! [05:02] that's ... arch I think [05:02] I am showing obvious bugs unless you think the logo of a smartphone should be displayed THREE times?!? [05:02] nodice, screenshot? [05:02] i think that it should be multiplatform, isnt it? [05:02] no, it is not [05:02] like smart or whatever the suse guys are using [05:03] pacman will not work in kubuntu or any debian dirivetive [05:03] oh geez [05:03] derivative [05:03] it does, but it is literally pacman the game [05:03] :D [05:03] we use dpgk/apt [05:03] ok [05:03] lol [05:03] "Unknown error code 150' [05:04] I/O problem [05:04] please send a full bug report blah, blah [05:04] what for? [05:04] right, without one, problems can't be fixed [05:04] the bug is ongoine - I said I filed one beforeeeeeeee [05:05] sure, but I don't have a bug number to check [05:05] it's detected as a camera [05:05] ubuntu with gnome detects it at least [05:05] cool [05:06] so you know you don't have a bad cable or something [05:06] my conclusion: kde sucks [05:06] !language [05:06] The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [05:06] in Dolphin: camera: HTC HTC One (ID3) [05:06] ah, we have the same phone [05:07] HTC twice? lol [05:08] Available devices: Portable Media Player (Android Phone) [05:08] 'Open with File Manager' is shown twice too [05:08] in Dolphin: Android Phone [05:08] ah, camera is seen separately, yes [05:08] I guess kde detects it as 3 phones connected? lol [05:09] or cameras [05:09] it is listed under both Media and Devices [05:09] I was told kde is really good now... nah [05:09] which is proper, I think [05:09] depending on what you want to access [05:10] so you can get your photos off without drilling down [05:10] I find that convenient [05:10] ymmv [05:10] whatever [05:11] thanks for pointing that out; I hadn't noticed before [05:11] it's under 'Portable Media Player' and shows 3 icons [05:11] beside one is Android Phone [05:11] and getting to Dolphin from the Camera does indeed go directly to the camera [05:11] nice [05:12] so you can go directly to your music files too [05:12] excellent [05:12] your fairy tales don't interest me [05:12] my smartphone comes alive and walks by itself [05:13] mine is crippled by Verizon [05:13] not so talented [05:20] ppl are asking how to connect this phone in the forum lol [05:20] good luck [05:20] probably have to use some workaround... easier to use another distro [05:21] I use kdeconnect and it's lovely [05:21] okay done experiment... kubuntu sucks still... case closed [05:23] good riddance [05:23] Anybody familiar with virtualbox? [05:26] I think that's the one most of us use [05:26] !info virtualbox [05:26] virtualbox (source: virtualbox): x86 virtualization solution - base binaries. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.3.10-dfsg-1 (trusty), package size 15047 kB, installed size 59184 kB [05:26] !virtualbox [05:26] Virtualbox is a virtualizer for x86 and amd64 architectures. It's available in the package "virtualbox" in the !repositories, and you can download the Virtualbox Extension Pack for additional, non-Free functionality at http://virtualbox.org . Additional details can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox [05:27] I think I added the extension pack when I used it for testing [05:36] valorie: so, it seems that my issues were due to forgotten libsolid4:4.11.5-0ubuntu0.1 which took me few days to track down.. [05:37] F*CK! [05:37] i feel much better now [05:38] I'm happy to hear that [05:39] valorie: greatly appreciate your help [05:39] but I don't understand why updating, then dist-upgrading, and finally, install -f didn't find that [05:39] well, all I did was commiserate with you [05:39] lol [05:40] it did found that, it was just unable to report it as the output lack useable details like conflicts and version numbers [05:41] its my fault.. playing with ppa when i dont feel like fixing it aferwards.. [05:43] :( [05:50] If I choose full disk install will the installer preserve my current home folder contents? [05:51] no [05:51] you have to choose to set aside your /home [05:52] OK, thanks. [05:53] it's an excellent idea to do so, btw [05:53] google a bit, there is lots of info about how best to do so [05:55] Need to do a reinstall, install another OS, and rework my partitions but, I really don't have the space to juggle all of it around without it becoming a fustercluck. [05:55] Was hoping for an easer way.(c) [05:55] hd space is pretty cheap these days [05:56] * valorie is no good at juggling [05:56] Not when you are as broke as I am. LOL. Sigh, more surveys for spare change it is then. [05:57] SSDs are still somewhat spendy [05:57] but HDs? [05:57] Ya, too rich by far. [05:57] ok [05:58] Well I might be able to get the funds in a month or two. [06:01] Num83rGuy: couldn't you just install the other OS in a VM? [06:01] then you don't have to mess with your partitions [06:01] just use what you have [06:01] or just upgrade, which is what I did [06:01] Vm is a no go I only have 3 GiB RAM and need at least 2 for the other OS. [06:02] ok [06:02] I was supposed to up grade but, other things came up. :( [06:02] do you have an old HD around for that other OS to be on? [06:03] what is keeping you from upgrading now? [06:03] it takes some time, but just start it before you go out or to bed or something [06:05] I have (1) SATA 1TiB, 4 partitions - (1) SATA 150GiB 1 part - (1) PATA 300GiB 1 part - (1) 80GiB 1 part and verry little space among them. It can be done but it's not going to be fun. [06:05] I'd have to diagram that all out, i think [06:06] Hi, happy easter! the last 2 days i ugraded 8 systems to 14.04. vm guests and laptop worked like a charm. Nice job done! However, i'm having a real pain with my desktop (amd fx 8 core cpu, 32 gb ram and 4 ssd harddrives): kubuntu stops booting 10 out of 11 attempts right after ssd detection after about 23 seconds. Ideas? Is it a bug? If so where and how to report? [06:06] I use filelight every once in awhile to see if there is unknown crap bollixing up space [06:06] I found some old .kde folders today that were *huge* [06:06] A lot of blender renderings, documents, music, video, My Steam libary that I don't want to spend 6 months to redownload. :D [06:07] and a bunch of old ISOs i could dump [06:07] Yeah I have been on a cleaning spree too. [06:07] turned out I didn't really *need* the room, but I seed all the *buntu ISOs, and that takes a bit of room [06:11] Can anyone help with boot time problem? [06:13] rowlode: state your problem, and if someone can help, they will [06:13] rowlode: Sorry, I Have no experence with SSD drives. Perhaps booting into recovery mode will give you the information you need to find an answer. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode [06:15] Look for messages about read or write errors and do a drive check when you get to the menu. [06:15] Boot in recovery fails. Its where i realized when it stops booting [06:15] Ah, then I am clueless. Sorry. [06:16] Once it actually boots i checked the logs on the previous boots but there are no errors. booting just freezes. [06:17] have you encountered this before? [06:17] Well one person said they had to disable IDE support in BIOS to boot from SSD but, most motherboards don't have IDE these days. [06:18] I boot from SSD [06:18] Good morning. [06:18] but I bought my son's computer with that already set up [06:18] morning, lordievader [06:18] Yes, since 13.04 with my old desktop hardware (amd 6 core cpu, 32 gb ram, same ssds) [06:18] Hey valorie, how are you? [06:19] good! and you? [06:19] rowlode: could your ssd have failed? [06:19] I heard that when they go, it is a sudden death [06:20] Well my corsair ssds are on sata ports, however in bios the mode is auto, so i'm gonna check this [06:20] valorie: Doing good. Got this dualboot almost the way I want it :) [06:20] Yeah, i thought about that, already [06:20] dual-booting what and what, lordievader? [06:20] rowlode: if so, you could put / and /boot onto your other disk, right? [06:22] With 13.10, i could boot every 5th time, now every 10th, so i'm expected rather a linux problem than failing ssds [06:22] i can't right now, as each disk is already one of those mount points [06:22] that doesn't sound like a software problem to me.... [06:22] hi there [06:23] Ok [06:23] o/ [06:23] while booting, the screen with kubuntu + 5 dots that comes up, its resolution is not correct, how do i fix it ? it happened after installing the nvidia drivers [06:23] is it possible you have a bad copy of grub2 in some of these mount points? [06:23] something which wasn't upgraded with the rest? [06:23] So i might have to buy an old style hdd and see if the problem goes away [06:24] i would do grub-repair first [06:24] and see if that's it [06:24] !grub-repair [06:24] fine then [06:24] not sure. Grub-repair is a cmd? [06:24] !grub [06:24] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [06:25] silv3r_m00n: You probably cannot fix that. I think it has to do with when the drivers are loaded. Basic functionality (read low res) is usually possible, if higher is wanted the driver should be loaded. [06:25] But the problem comes way after grub [06:25] It's hard to see a connection [06:25] silv3r_m00n: did you try xrandr though? [06:25] rowlode: I see your point [06:25] rowlode: So where does it crash/hang? [06:25] lordievader: the grub screen resolution is also very low after adding nvidia card [06:26] valorie: xrandr ? [06:26] !xrandr [06:26] XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [06:26] silv3r_m00n: Here it jumps back to text mode plymouth after installing the driver ;) [06:26] pff, it's not just for dual screens [06:26] valorie: Hihi, X is way later ;) [06:26] After about 23 sec. linux detects a real time clock, then usb devices, then sda, sdb, sdc, sdd and freeze [06:26] that's not a good info for xrandr [06:27] rowlode: Hmm, allways on the disks? [06:27] Yes [06:27] fsck + smart checks ;) [06:28] valorie: this is the output of my xrandr, http://pastie.org/9096849 [06:28] lordievader: On 13.10 it was very rare that it stopped right after rtc or mice (< 1% of boot freeze cases) [06:29] rowlode: Still it is a good idea to do the checks I've suggested, you might just have a bad disk on your hands. [06:30] so it can't be fixed ? [06:31] lordievader should look at that, he said NO [06:31] :-) [06:31] Yes, thanks for your hints lordievader and valorie. I'm gonna check them next time i ned to bootand it fails again. Until then: never stop a running system ;-) [06:31] silv3r_m00n: Probably not. [06:32] good luck, rowlode [06:32] pff, too slow [06:32] ok [06:32] silv3r_m00n: It might be (very unlikely) that you can recompile the kernel with the driver included instead of a module. But this is unlikely and not supported here. [06:32] an nvidia welcome screen comes after the kubuntu 5 dot screen, so this means that nvidia drivers are loaded after that ? [06:32] Hmm, fsck and smart can usually be done on a running system.... [06:32] silv3r_m00n: you might ask in #ubuntu-kernel [06:33] they might have a patch for you to test [06:33] really nice folks in there [06:33] I suppose, don't really know the nvidia drivers. [06:33] in kubuntu we don't mess with the kernel [06:33] but they fixed my sound once a couple of years ago [06:34] * lordievader wonders if Kubuntu would boot his 3.15-rc1 kernel. [06:37] can gpu performance be effected by the desktop env ? either kde or cinnamon ? i have quadcore+8gram + geforce 210 on 2 machines, the machine with linux mint cinnamon had better graphics rendering compared to this kubuntu machine [06:50] hi [06:50] question... [06:51] I just jumped from kubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 [06:51] did the upgrade go well? [06:51] and noticed that the display settings chanded a lot [06:52] actually I still have 12.04 [06:52] I have two partitions for installing [06:52] one I use it for regular use and the other for testing [06:52] actually Im doing a test run [06:53] any who... [06:53] on 12.04 when I connect an external display [06:55] it would automatically popup a dialog with a question if I wanted to automatically config my dual monitor [06:55] dont see that anymore [06:55] so I went straigt to the display settings [06:55] now there is kscreen [06:55] and everything is changed [06:55] by "everything" not sure what you mean [06:56] long sroty short [06:56] cant find how to mirror my display [06:56] before it was real easy [06:57] well, I feel very ignorant -- I don't know what you mean by "mirror the display" either [06:58] hopefully someone who knows more will speak up [06:59] o to display same image on both displays [07:00] before I would just select an option [07:00] I think it was something like "make displays the same size" [07:01] and by clicking that it would find the best resolution for both displays to show the same thing on both of them [07:01] you might check out xrandr [07:02] but on 14.04 I only see a screen that show both my displays [07:02] !xrandr [07:02] XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [07:02] oh ok [07:02] let me check it out [07:03] does compiz work with kubuntu ? [07:03] !info compiz [07:03] compiz (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.11+14.04.20140409-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 3 kB, installed size 126 kB [07:03] if it's packaged, it can be used [07:04] sweet [07:04] so you can get all kinds of fancy 3d desktop effects in kubuntu too i'm guessing ? [07:04] in kwin it's built in, yes [07:04] and non 3d wobbly windows etc [07:04] valorie: good news ;) [07:04] if you computer can render the stuff [07:05] yeah should be able to [07:05] systemsettings [07:05] go wild [07:05] jaik: Just drag the two screen on top of eachother for mirror. [07:05] silv3r_m00n: There is no need for compiz, we got kwin :D [07:05] yeah i think you can just use the built in kwin, without installing compiz [07:06] lordievader: yeah kwin is working fine, i hope its using my graphics card for the job [07:06] lordievader: tried it and it did something real funky [07:07] silv3r_m00n: You can check, system settings -> desktop effects -> advanced -> compositing type. [07:08] it compacted the image from desktops [07:08] jaik: It will match the resolution, is that what you mean? [07:08] yes thats what I want [07:08] for it to match both resolutions [07:08] lordievader: compositing type is opengl 2.0 and opengl renderer is the nvidia driver, so i guess its working [07:09] but when I tried draging my secondary display to my prmary display [07:09] it showed a distorioned imaged with what seemed to be both desktops on each display [07:09] silv3r_m00n: Jup :) [07:10] both monitors have the same native resolution jaik? [07:10] jaik: Hmm, that is strange. Unfortunatly I don't have a multimonitor setup here to see if I get the same behaviour. [07:10] cr45h0v3r1d3: no [07:10] but that the thing [07:11] on verision 12.04 i would select to make both resolutions the same [07:12] and after clicking apply it would reduce resolutions on both displays to the highest compatibe dislay for both [07:12] yeah [07:13] but on this new version I dont see nothing like that. I assumed that by draging one display on top of the other that would do the trick but it did what I described earlier [07:14] like a distorted split screen on both my laptop and my tv [07:15] maybe you can manually do it in the settings somewhere [07:19] jaik: Can you give the output of the command "xrandr"? [07:19] !pastebin | jaik [07:19] jaik: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [07:19] sure [07:20] let me hook up both my displays [07:25] lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7297391/ [07:26] jaik: What happens when you first set both to 1360x768 and then mirror them? [07:27] valorie: Still around? [07:27] yes [07:27] valorie: re:virtualbox, I'm having trouble accessing my USB from within an XP guest [07:28] I assume by XP you mean windows [07:28] I've never done that, sorry [07:29] there may be others who use VMs a lot more than me [07:29] lordievader: have not tried that let me see. this is actually a different tv than the one I used earlier on this one it just takes the highest resolution and displays same image on both. But since my laptop renders a smaller resolution I only see portion of the display [07:34] lordievader: cant change my tv res http://imagebin.org/306722 [07:35] Try xrandr ;) [07:37] will do thx [07:39] valorie: No worries. Thanks :) === Vito_ is now known as Guest15413 [07:48] lordievader: did it. used this command http://paste.ubuntu.com/7297457/ [07:49] thx [07:49] Ill just make a little script to do this. I use my laptop a lot with xbmc :p [07:53] jaik: Jup that'll work ;) You can just throw the command in your xinit. [07:58] me again... wondering if ther is a way for me to automatically run this command when I plug in my hdmi cable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7297457/ [08:08] maybe with sec 'simple event correlator' it watches logs and can exec a command when it see's a matching pattern. [08:08] http://simple-evcorr.sourceforge.net/man.html [08:13] I actually found something that might work... https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=96537 [09:04] hello everyone! yesterday i upgraded to 14.04 and now i get an kwallet error code 42 and cannot access my wallet. so far, i have not found a comprehensive list of kwallet errors. can anyone point me to such a list and or tell me what goes wrong? [09:21] mrub: I think people in #kde-devel might know more === calin is now known as crucerucalin [10:07] 'Morning folks === artao is now known as artao_SLEEP [11:17] hello, I got a question about kubuntu I was hoping someone can help me with? [11:18] so currently I got a dual boot system windows 7 and Ubuntu. I am wondering if I want to install kUbuntu do I just have to overwrite the ubuntu install or do I need to do the whole grub restore thing aswell before that [11:24] tester1337: You can simply install the 'kubuntu-desktop' package on your Ubuntu machine to have Kubuntu :) [14:03] Quintasan: thank you [14:36] Why does "Show in folder" of downloads when opened via the Download tab of chrome open via konquerer rather than dolphin ? [14:37] this changed behaviour was after upgrading to 14 [14:37] Any suggestions to change it back to dolphin? [14:38]