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nullhGood day everyone. Is anyone alive around here?00:37
Randy_OI'm trying to run a QML app on my nexus 4 and I've been getting this error "/usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_run_app finished with code 255" This has worked before, suddenly stopped, any ideas?00:44
Randy_Oalso ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host00:45
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Randy_Oany Ubuntu phone SDK folks around? I'm getting an error now when trying to run an app on a Nexus 4 from the SDK: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host02:25
UmeaboyRandy_O: Tried using duckduckgo.com to find out why it closed the connection?02:31
UmeaboyIt was mentioned about here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/10/15/%23ubuntu-touch.html02:32
Umeaboyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101193402:33
UmeaboyThat might help you. :)02:33
Randy_OUmeaboy, that's great, thanks.02:33
UmeaboyYou're welcome. ;)02:33
lotuspsychjemorning to all02:54
lotuspsychjeGreat work on the new ubuntu-touch guys!! im really happy with it on my nexus703:00
lotuspsychjei also had to set android back on first03:38
rwwWhat did you have on it before?03:38
lotuspsychjebecause i tested an older tutorial03:38
rwwah03:38
lotuspsychjewell weeks ago i tested the dev version03:38
lotuspsychjewith the FOSS tut03:38
rwwI tried putting Cyanogenmod on there a day or so before I put UT on and it didn't work, so *shrug*03:38
lotuspsychjelemme show you03:39
lotuspsychjewhats that for?03:39
rwwanyways, works now that I did Android and then UT, so whatevs03:39
rwwlotuspsychje: Cyanogenmod? it's another ROM for android stuff03:39
lotuspsychjeah ok03:39
crazybearHelp!? I tried to upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 on a three monitor system - only one monitor had ANYTHING and NOT any of the controls or panels, so was unable to do ANYTHING.03:39
lotuspsychjethis is the guide i followed weeks ago: http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-touch-nexus-7-2013/03:39
rwwcrazybear: sounds like a problem with desktop, not touch?03:40
lotuspsychjebut yesterday someone helped me with the channel=trusty --bootstrap line03:40
crazybearI don't have a touch anything - is this a dedicated touch room?03:40
rwwcrazybear: yep, this is #ubuntu-touch. Try /join #ubuntu03:41
rww:)03:41
lotuspsychjecrazybear: and try a clean install by the way, not upgrade03:41
lotuspsychjerww: so the overal system doesnt turn yet on my n703:41
lotuspsychjerww: but browser and most apps do03:42
rwwyep03:42
lotuspsychjeat least im not vunrable with android anymore :p03:43
lotuspsychjescary days lol03:43
rwwunfortunately there's no way to lock it in place so it won't rotate (I lie down and web browse a lot), but baby steps :D03:43
rww(or maybe there is and I didn't find it yet_)03:43
rwwanyways. overall very pleased with it03:43
lotuspsychjeme too03:43
lotuspsychjeoverall speed is great03:43
lotuspsychjedid you unlock with phablet, to install terminal packages?03:44
lotuspsychjethe guy showed me a trick for that03:44
lotuspsychjeso i could install nmap and such03:44
rwwnope, but I know how to :)03:44
lotuspsychjephablet-config writable-image03:45
lotuspsychjekk cool :p03:45
lotuspsychjerww: did you test pdf yet?03:45
rwwnope03:45
lotuspsychjeme neither03:45
lotuspsychjegot a load of magazines to try03:46
lotuspsychjebest app i found on android was foxitreader03:46
nullhI just got ubuntu dual booting on my nexus 7 and have been playing with it for a few hours... I can't seem to change the home screen background, is this known to be an issue, or perhaps I'm an idiot?03:59
lotuspsychjenullh: did you try import wallpapers first or existing photo?04:01
nullhWell, I tried it with a photo. As it stands, the background is white with a couple of designer angles in gray04:01
lotuspsychjedid not test myself yet04:01
lotuspsychjeill try later :p04:02
lotuspsychjenullh: you have the dev or the trusty install?04:02
nullhThe lock screen background is the standard ubuntu purple, and the switch to make lock and home screen the same is set, so I'm not sure04:02
nullhtrusty04:02
lotuspsychjeok04:02
nullhOtherwise, overall it seems to be pretty cool :) A little bit of a work in progress, but I fully expected that lol04:02
lotuspsychjeim really happy too04:03
lotuspsychjeit can only get better now04:03
lotuspsychjeat least were not stuck to unsafe android anymore :p04:03
lotuspsychjedid you find the bookmark trick on webbrowser?04:03
nullhlol, everything has security vulnerabilities *coughcoughheartbleed* but yeah, it will be nice to be in control :D04:04
nullhI have not actually, what is this trick you speak of?04:04
lotuspsychjeif you open lets say google04:04
lotuspsychjein 'activity' it will show your current open url04:04
nullhYup04:04
lotuspsychjeunder that icon there's a little bookmark star04:04
lotuspsychjetick to set as bookmark04:04
lotuspsychjeto star yellow04:05
lotuspsychjeso next time you open browser activity you can open all your fav pages from bookmarks04:05
nullhI don't see that, but what I do see is, after hitting activities, there's a bookmark "tab" (is that what they're called?) at the top04:05
nullhand I can bookmark from there04:05
lotuspsychjeit works on your current open pages04:06
lotuspsychjenot history pages04:06
nullhOh! I see what you mean now, that's neat04:06
nullhI was just blind >.<04:06
lotuspsychje:p04:07
nullhPlus, it didn't occur to me that those were tabs lol04:07
nullhDespite the clear label04:07
lotuspsychjedidnt find myself howto set google as startpage oO04:07
lotuspsychjeno webbrowsing settings neither04:07
nullhI think that may be a case of over-nerfing04:08
lotuspsychjelol04:08
nullhYeah, if it's there, I can't find it either lol04:08
nullhDo you also find that, in landscape mode, the status bar remains on the short side?04:09
lotuspsychjeyes indeed04:10
lotuspsychjeunhandy04:10
nullhAgreed. I don't assume that's intentional though lol04:10
lotuspsychjei think the devs will be wild on this new touch04:11
lotuspsychjeit can only get better04:11
nullhI'm excited to see what comes of it04:11
nullhEspecially since I just found out not too long ago that Mozilla is going to throw their hat into the mobile market as well04:11
lotuspsychjenullh: did you unlock phablet-config trick to install terminal stuff?04:12
nullhConsidering I have no clue what you're talking about, I'm gonna say no :P04:12
nullhBut I do have a terminal app04:12
lotuspsychjewell i wanted to install nmap04:12
lotuspsychjebut the device is locked to install stuff04:12
lotuspsychjeso you need an unlock04:12
lotuspsychjewith this line:µ04:13
nullhOnce I do that, can I install any ubuntu arm package?04:13
lotuspsychjephablet-config writable-image04:13
lotuspsychjeafter that device will reboot04:13
lotuspsychjeand you can install any package you want04:13
nullhCan i do that on my tablet? I don't actually run ubuntu on my desktop, I'm one of those eats-school-glue Arch guys04:13
lotuspsychjeno its just to install packages from terminal04:14
lotuspsychjelike sudo apt-get install nmap04:14
lotuspsychjefrom your n704:14
nullhRight, but can i do that phablet-config command from the tablet?04:14
lotuspsychjeor whatever package you like04:14
nullhcnf D:04:15
lotuspsychjeoh right its from desktop yes04:15
lotuspsychjeusb cable to computer right04:15
nullhdarn, okay now I have to figure out how to get the phablet-config program on my desktop lol04:15
lotuspsychjejust paste that lin eon desktop terminal04:15
lotuspsychjeand it will suggest you package you need04:15
lotuspsychjethink its phablet-tools04:16
nullhI don't run Ubuntu on my desktop though lol04:16
lotuspsychjeahhh04:16
nullhI found it, there's a user-submitted phablet-tools package04:16
lotuspsychjeyep04:16
lotuspsychjethats the one04:16
syeekickhey04:18
lotuspsychjesyeekick: hello mate04:18
nullhg'day04:18
nullhor night, as it were04:18
syeekickmorning04:18
syeekick:-)04:18
syeekickanyone know if the lenovo a850 would work with ubuntu touch?04:19
nullhHoly crap, Lenovo makes phones?04:20
lotuspsychjesyeekick: the devices supported are in topic mate04:20
bactnullh: psssst... lenovo just bought motorola off google04:20
syeekickalso does anyone know if the ubuntu phones wifi chip will support promiscuous mode and packet injection04:20
lotuspsychjesyeekick: i think wireshark can run just fine on it04:21
nullhbact, I did not know that. Makes sense now though haha04:21
syeekickaircrack?04:21
lotuspsychjesyeekick: i dont see why not04:21
nullhAssuming the hardware supports these functions04:22
lotuspsychjesyeekick: from terminal you can do whatever you like04:22
syeekickhardware dependent. there is only a few wireless chipsets that support packet injection and promiscuous mode (mon0 etc). i'll assume it can do soft ap as most androids can04:23
syeekickfew chipsets yet many devices ^04:23
nullhwell, I have theoretically unlocked all the packages on my nexus 7 2013 that dual boots trusty, thanks to lotuspsychje04:25
nullhSo I suppose I can try real quick04:25
syeekicknullh, you got aircrack-ng installed?04:26
nullhNot yet, but hopefully soon04:26
nullhI'm pulling down wireshark now, I will pit in the aircrack suite next and see if I can airmon the wifi card04:27
nullh*put04:28
syeekickthanks buddy04:28
syeekickin wait and heres hoping04:28
syeekicknullh, would you of installed it any way?04:28
nullhwell, there's a package so we're off to a good start :P04:28
nullhsyeekick, eventually probably, just to toy with it. I don't do as much pen testing stuff as I would like to lol04:29
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lotuspsychjethere are so many pentesting tools out there04:33
lotuspsychjewas scary days on my n7 with android04:33
lotuspsychjejust to look at google play store was so scary04:34
syeekickso many powerful tools too04:34
lotuspsychjemalicious apps just wait for users to click04:34
nullhhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B26edscSY9FsMGFuX09VZFJJUUE/edit?usp=sharing04:35
nullhDoesn't look like it worked to me04:35
nullhrunning iwoncig after doesn't show a new mon0 device either04:35
nullh*iwconfig, man my typing is awful tonight04:36
syeekickseems to be al correct syntax04:36
lotuspsychjenullh: maybe the wifi doesnt name wlan on touch?04:36
syeekicksad face04:36
syeekickit does you can see at the top04:36
lotuspsychjeoh ok04:37
syeekickifconfig  -a04:37
nullhYeah, definitely not there04:37
syeekickbut what you say holds some weight as it sasy "error getting interface flags: no such device"04:37
nullhBTW, does there happen to be a screenshot capability in ubuntu tablet so I don't look like a moron posting pictures of screens? lol04:38
lotuspsychjedidnt find yet :p04:38
nullhOkay, so now I don't feel so bad04:38
syeekickthanks nullh04:38
lotuspsychjehaha04:38
nullhAnyway, iwconfig returns only two options with wireless extensions, wlan0 and p2p004:38
nullhand my guess is that it's not p2p0 :P especially wince wlan0 shows my SSID04:39
syeekickhehe04:39
syeekickappreciate your help nullh04:39
nullhno problemo, it would have been cool if it did work haha... Now we just need someone with a 4, a 10, and a 2012 7 to try it :P04:39
nullhAlthough the wifi hardware probably didn't change between 7 revisions04:40
syeekicktrue!04:40
syeekickis it any good? be honest04:40
nullhI'm on verizon or I would definitely have a 4 as well04:40
nullhUbuntu Tablet?04:40
syeekickaye04:40
lotuspsychjei also run the new ubuntu touch on nexus7 2013 wifi04:41
nullhAs long as you accept that it's not completed, yeah it's pretty neat. I've only had it for about five hours though lol so I am probably not the best advocate/detractor04:41
lotuspsychjethere's still work on it, but it improved alot04:41
lotuspsychjei saw a video somewhere holdon syeekick04:42
nullhI've had it crash and require a reboot once, and the controls are a little odd at first. But once you get used to the controls, they're actually kinda awesome04:42
nullhNot a lot of eye-candy and not a lot of simple pleasures (like buttons giving visual feedback while you're pressing them)04:43
nullhAnd a little lacking in the app department, but I can't judge on that until it's officially released04:43
lotuspsychjehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcRoNPzIbzQ04:43
nullhIf you're hesitant, do what I did- I dual boot my n7 with android and ubuntu04:44
nullhThat way, if you decide you hate it, android is one reboot away04:44
syeekicknice04:49
frecelI'm trying to install openssh-server on my nexus4 and I keep getting this:04:51
frecelW: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock04:51
frecelE: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/04:51
frecelE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.04:51
frecelany help?04:51
lotuspsychjefrecel:you need to unlock your device04:52
lotuspsychjefrecel: put a cable from ubuntu desktop to your n404:52
lotuspsychjefrecel: and paste this from your desktop terminal: phablet-config writable-image04:53
lotuspsychjefrecel: you might need to install phablet-tools before04:53
frecel ok, thanks04:54
lotuspsychjefrecel: after your n4 reboots, your device will be writeable04:54
nullhI wish the TV dinner people would just sell standalone microwave brownies, that would be delicious04:58
lotuspsychjelol04:59
frecellotuspsychje: it worked, thanks05:04
frecelnullh: apparently there is several ways to make brownies in a microwave05:04
lotuspsychjefrecel: np just learned it yesterday aswell05:04
nullhfrecel, actually I had never thought about just taking brownie mix and making it in the microwave... I feel the need to prepare some brownie cups now to have on-demand fresh brownies05:08
frecelnullh: someone told me recently that there is a really easy way to make brownies out of nutella, I wonder if that recipie would work in a micowave05:09
nullhNutella brownies? Sounds like it's time to stop tablet experimentation, and partake in some culinary experimentation05:11
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bactfrecel: there's a way to make a brownie in a mug, in a microwave, but it turns out really badly06:06
phablettest from irrsi on terminal ubuntu touch06:14
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lotuspsychjethe live RSS app is really great on ubuntu-touch11:08
lotuspsychjecan add rss feeds with handy search function11:08
lotuspsychjeand open the websites link11:08
lotuspsychjereal sweet11:08
bactlotuspsychje: does it import opml?11:23
lotuspsychjebact: i dont think so, its rather a simple online feed search11:24
lotuspsychjebact: but did not try the opml11:24
lotuspsychjebact: how about you try to search the website that uses the opml?11:24
bactthe website?11:24
lotuspsychjeor where do you need the import from11:25
bactIf I follow hundreds of websites on my rss feed reader I'm not going to want to import them manually when opml is available11:26
bactit's a dealbreaker11:26
lotuspsychjei hear you11:26
bactits only a simple xml format with a list of subscriptions11:26
arubislanderHi all!13:15
arubislanderHappy day-after easter.13:16
arubislanderI know that the Nexus 7 (grouper) is  no longer officially supported, but images were still available to download with multiboot.13:18
arubislanderMy question is: has anyone else tried the latest release and actually got it to work?13:18
arubislanderMine freezes, but the fix of deleting the file /home/phablet/.display-mir no longer works because the file is not there to begin with.13:19
arubislanderSo I was wondering what else could be done to fix the freezing issue.13:20
Elleoarubislander: as far as I'm aware the .display-mir file triggered whether or not to use Mir (versus surfaceflinger)13:20
Elleoarubislander: but all new images just provide Mir13:20
Elleoso there's no option to use SurfaceFlinger any more13:20
Elleoso I would suspect you're out of luck, but I don't really know any details about the old nexus 7s13:21
arubislanderOK, I guess so too. Funny thing is that it works sometimes... but eventually freezes...13:22
arubislanderThanks anyhow. I'll reboot a couple of times and see what is what :)13:31
cwaynemandel, hi -- i saw this online and was wondering if it can be used to actually login with an online-account to make oauth signed calls fro golang? http://www.themacaque.com/?p=113314:26
mandelcwayne, I would nto use it, that is very old and is accessing the glib library directly.. which is not a good idea because it leaks the glib memory management14:28
dobeyi'd expect using signon-qt/accounts-qt would be the thing to do on the phone, from golang14:28
dobeyuntil a go-specific lib is available for signon and accounts libs14:29
mandelcwayne, dobey exactly, and I think the best would be to have a golang specific version14:29
cwayneyeah, i suppose i'd have to wait until someone gets a golang specific version up14:30
mandelcwayne, what do you want to do? I'm sure is not a lot of work :)14:30
mandeldobey, is there a dbus api for online accounts I can take a look at?14:30
sergiusensyeah, if it's dbus we are golden14:31
sergiusens:-)14:31
cwaynemandel, i wanted to use an account-plugin in a scope written in golang14:31
mandelcwayne, if we have a dbus one I'm sure we can get something quick ready for you and sergiusens can complain about by go :)14:32
sergiusenscwayne: all of this oauth mess is what puts me off from doing anything from an app perspective (and you can see app devs have that issue as they wrap logins to javascript call backs)14:35
cwaynesergiusens, oauth isnt super fun, but it's not too bad from within js14:37
Elleomandel: what apparmor permissions are required to use download manager? I thought it was just networking, but I have that set and am still getting denied14:37
mandelElleo, oh, very good question, let me find that for you14:38
Elleothanks :)14:39
mandelElleo, as per this https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/trusty-proposed is networking14:41
mandelElleo, can you show me the error you are getting?14:41
Elleosure, just a sec14:41
cwaynemardy, ping14:42
mandelElleo, yep, in lp:ubuntu/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu I can see it in ./data/policygroups/ubuntu/1.1/networking14:42
Elleomandel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7299686/14:42
dobeymandel, cwayne, sergiusens: you can use dbus yeah, but it's more masochistic than using signon-qt/accounts-qt from golang, i suspect14:42
ElleoI'm doing other network stuff within the app successfully (populating an XmlListModel), so the networking permission is working for simpler stuff14:43
dobeysergiusens: the main problem with online accounts, is that there's very little incentive for app developers to actually use it14:44
dobeycwayne: i'm guessing mardy is on nat'l holiday today14:44
cwaynemandel, signond-dev seems to have some dbus interfaces that seem relevant14:47
sergiusensdobey: that and it's hard to add new ones14:48
dobeysergiusens: it's not terribly hard to add new ones for real oauth-based services (well, somewhat harder on the phone); but the click package model lends itself to having lots of apps shipping the same plug-in for a service14:49
dobeyalso, online-accounts only handles authentication and storage of the token/password. every app still has to do all the work to talk to the service in question, so it's often easier to just do authentication as well as the rest of the API calls14:50
cwaynebut that wouldn't really work for a scope14:51
dobeyit could14:51
sergiusensdobey: yeah, I meant hard on the phone; I also only found an askubuntu reply for oauth1, being oauth clueless it is hard with no introductory documentation14:51
cwaynewe definitely need better documentation for using account-plugins in SDK apps14:52
dobeycwayne: really, the only thing preventing a scope from doing the auth itself, is lack of UI widgets in the dash for doing it14:52
cwayneyeah, but that's a real blocker14:53
dobeycwayne: it also means most people writing scopes are just going to end up writing scopes that don't require authentication14:54
dobeybecause the alternative is too complex/difficult14:54
cwayneunless we can help shape this into a better story for app devs now14:54
dobeyi don't see how. clicks can't have dependencies14:55
dobeyso providing a package that is just the plug-in to online-accounts for a service, that apps can require, is basically not possible14:55
cwaynethat's something we'll definitely have to figure out, but regardless, having support for account-plugins for scopes is still something that we'd want to support15:01
dobeyscopes can use account plug-ins already15:01
stork91I was asked to come here in regards to editing themes15:01
stork91... which is kinda weird15:01
dobeyie, the click scope does it15:01
cwaynei mean from go15:02
dobeystork91: yes, i think this is not the right place for that15:02
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stork91anyone happen to know where I would go to get some information about how to edit colors now that the update has changed things?15:02
dobeycwayne: yeah, and javascript too. go at least has a reasonable solution. not sure if the JS scopes can use QML too or not, though15:03
dobeystork91: you can't change the theme on the phone if that's what you're asking15:03
cwaynenot sure, but there's not really a reasonable solution for go quite yet15:03
dobeycwayne: using signon-qt/accounts-qt from go will work15:03
stork91BTW, whoever was in charge of designing the onboard keyboard, You need to be put in charge of editing Ubuntu themes.15:04
dobeycwayne: it's not the absolute best that can be done, but i think it is somewhat reasonable15:04
stork91Im on a desktop15:04
cwaynedobey, there's no documentation/scopes that do that yet though15:04
dobeystork91: you need to go to #ubuntu for help about using ubuntu, then15:04
cwayneso as of now that's pretty theoretical imho15:04
stork91was there...15:04
dobeycwayne: ubuntu-push-client sort of does i think (not a scope, but it is in go)15:05
stork91anyhow... pass that info on to whoever did that.15:05
dobeywhatever15:05
dobeycwayne: it only cares about the u1 account, and we have a library for getting the u1 account, but that lib is also written as a qt api15:07
dobeycwayne: and niemeyer has been doing a lot of work to make qt usable from go15:08
dakeranyone know how can i get the sim cad to work ?15:08
genii_Will the Meizu MX3 and BQ Aquarius be added at some point to the main Touch site as officially supported, or will the manufacturers be resonsible in this case ?15:08
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dobeygenii_: the devices will get custom OEM images when they are released, afaik. and nobody has the specific hardware that will come in those phones at the moment, so i don't know when they will be supported by official builds.15:10
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dobeydaker: in a nexus 4?15:10
dakerdobey: yes15:10
geniidobey: OK, thanks.15:10
dobeydaker: it should just work.15:10
HoloIRCUserDoes anyone know if someone is working on galaxy s5?15:11
dakerdobey: cellulare/data checkboxs are disabled after a few seconds15:11
dakerand the carriers list is empty15:11
bactHoloIRCUser: Personally I find xda, of all things, to be a good resource for info like that, chances are that if it exists then its been posted there15:12
HoloIRCUserAh then if someone is working on it they have not posted it. It's just a week old device anyway so :)15:13
dobeydaker: ok. i don't have a n4, but i know plenty of people are using it daily as an actual phone with ubuntu on it. so afaik, it should just work if you have an active registered SIM15:13
sergiusensI use it as my daily phone (and only phone)15:13
bactsergiusens: how unfortunate15:13
bactI could only bring myself to dualboot ubuntu touch on my nexus 415:14
sergiusenswhy? I like it15:14
bactits okay, but it doesn't give me what I expect out of a smartphone.. yet15:14
frecel___good morning15:14
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dobeybact: it might not fulfill all your needs yet, but that doesn't mean you should be rude to say that it is unfortunate sergiusens is using it as such, because he finds it enough to meet his needs15:15
sergiusensbact: all I miss is navigation and even with android I gave up on assisted navigation and just drove locally and in foreign places15:16
bactdobey: lighten up, it was a joke15:16
frecelIs there a way to remove a trusted wi-fi network so my phone doesn't connect to it automatically?15:16
sergiusensfrecel: no UI way yet :/ You can delete the conf file manually from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections15:17
frecelsergiusens: thanks15:17
dobeybact: joke or not, it was a bit rude, and such comments may dissuade interest from others who want to try ubuntu on their phones, when they read such comments15:18
dobeyi wouldn't mind trying to use it daily as my actual phone, but the hardware i want isn't officially supported yet, and isn't available in a reasonable size for a phone15:20
bactdobey: ubuntu touch isn't very responsive in contrast to android15:21
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dobeybact: ubuntu touch hasn't been around ever long in contrast to android15:22
bacttrue15:22
dobeyubuntu is also developed in the open, in contrast to much of android, which was a big code drop for the open bits when they had it working pretty well already at first, and there are still many proprietary bits to it15:34
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Aki-Thinkpaddobey, the terminal that is included in ubuntu touch... that is legit, right?16:12
Aki-Thinkpadfrom what I understand, androids terminal wasn't really authentic16:13
Aki-Thinkpadhowever I am not exactly sure what that means...16:14
dobeyyeah i have no idea what you mean16:15
Aki-Thinkpaddobey, a) can't run root, b) can't run most applications built for linux16:16
dobeyAki-Thinkpad: terminal on the phone is nominally useless, really16:16
Aki-Thinkpadactually I think I got confused when I first read about it16:16
Aki-Thinkpadcalling it a terminal emulator, I mistaked that for being similar to a snes emulator;16:17
Aki-Thinkpaddobey, do you think that could change with ubuntu phone though?16:17
dobeyand i don't think it's going to be something included by default on real devices.16:18
Aki-Thinkpadyah, I wonder...16:18
Aki-Thinkpaddobey,  but ubuntu did put a lot of work into their terminal; I do not think android developers ever bothered making one, although I could be mistaken16:19
dobeyAki-Thinkpad: no. apps are confined on ubuntu phone. have an unconfined terminal app is not supportive of that design16:19
Aki-Thinkpaddobey, then what was the purpose of ubuntu making that terminal?16:20
Aki-Thinkpadalso there is the question of convergence16:20
Aki-Thinkpadif I want to run my desktop off my phone; you would think they would give me access to the terminal, no?16:20
Aki-Thinkpadhmmmm question for jono I suppose next q&a16:21
dobeynot necessarily16:21
dobeybut then, the full convergence story is not answered yet16:21
dobeycome back in 2 years :)16:22
dobeyanyway, must get food…16:22
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ramjHey, curious here! I want to buy a tablet and install Ubuntu Touch at some point in the future. I'd like it to support full desktop convergence in the future. I was looking at Samsung Nexus 10, but it has 'only' dual core and 2GB ram. On Wikipedia it sais Full Desktop Convergence requires Quad Core and 4GB ram.17:41
ramjWhat kind of tablet available now is not crazy expensive (and by crazy I mean those octocore TabPro's (that aren't even on the supported list (yet))) and supports this already?17:42
dobeyramj: full convergence doesn't exist; wikipedia is wrong17:42
ramjaww snap. I saw that feature explained in some demonstation video and I thought: I WANT THAT! NOW!17:43
dobeyit was only a demo17:43
ramjI know, but it makes sense a demo is based on an actual developer work in progress image, right?17:44
dobeynot always, no17:44
ramjOk, good thing you just helped me out of the dream. I don't really see added value to Touch over Android, except for it being awesome. The added value was this desktop-on-dock thing.17:46
PepperinooHi I have a problem... i would like install Ubuntu Touch on a Samsung Galaxy S I9000 with Android 2.2. Are this possible? What do i wrong?17:46
dobeyramj: come back in many months when we've built the platform to that point then. or better yet, get hardware that you can use ubuntu on as a phone platform, and help us build it17:47
dobey!devices Pepperinoo17:47
ubot5dobey: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:47
dobey!devices17:47
ubot5You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices17:47
dobeyPepperinoo: ^^17:47
ramjdobey: well the desktop thing is kinda what they promised me when I pledged $650 for the Ubuntu Edge last year, which would come out right about now. Unfortunately we (as a community) didn't make the target, but it's not crazy to think that the software was already (somewhat) at the stage of this, right? :)17:50
Pepperinoook thanks i show17:50
DexterFhi17:51
ramjNot qualified to help build. I might be qualified to help test in the future. I will buy a new smartphone soonish, but not one of those lame Nexus ones. :)17:51
dobeynot sure what was exactly promised for the edge to be supporting but i'm not sure full convergence was part of that17:51
DexterFwhat are my chances of running touch on a HTC Desire Z (fairly old, 512meg, single core 700mhz, has a real keyboard, reason I keep it)17:52
dobey!devices17:52
ubot5You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices17:52
ramjWell that's where the video demonstrated that as one of the USPs, so yeah they did. Maybe they cancelled the feature when they didn't make the target, because probably part of the money raised would go to extra developers.17:52
ramjdobey: Also, the feature demonstrated where you could run Android apps within Ubuntu Touch, was that real or not (yet)?17:55
dobeyi don't recall that at all17:56
ramjWow, am I in the correct channel?17:56
dobeyi think maybe you misunderstood some things in a promotional video17:56
PepperinooI have found it :)17:58
dobeythe video mentioned using ubuntu and android in dual boot, not as android apps running on ubuntu17:58
frecelI'm trying to run an app on a device from SDK and I get this: Bad port 'phablet@127.0.0.1'17:59
dobeyyou can dual boot andorid and ubuntu on most any of the phones supported by the community build17:59
Elleohttp://blog.mikeasoft.com/2014/04/21/deep-vision-state-of-the-art-computer-vision-for-ubuntu-touch/ <-- demo of my fancy new computer vision app for ubuntu touch :)17:59
ramj@dobey I clearly saw this in a demonstration video, but perhaps I am confusing a different project by Canonical with Ubuntu touch.18:00
Elleoramj: are you sure you're not thinking of SailfishOS? That includes an Android compatibility layer18:01
dobeyseveral years ago there was a demo of running android apps on ubuntu on an arm laptop18:01
balloonssergiusens, howdy18:02
dobeybut that was a completely separate thing, and before we really started building the phone platform18:02
ramjI cannot find the video where I saw this feature on a docked phone (both desktop and running Android apps inside Ubuntu) so I cannot 'prove' this (other than Mark Shuttleworth literally saying in his presentation video for the Ubuntu Edge that the phone has full Desktop Convergence with Android <http://youtu.be/eQLe3iIMN7k?t=4m14s>, but he calls it "Ubuntu for Android" so that's maybe a different project), but it surprises me that you seem18:11
ramj to have no idea what I am talking about, even if they were features planned and later abandoned.18:11
ramjBut ah well, thanks for clearing this up for me either way. :)18:11
Elleoramj: Ubuntu for Android was a different project, where you had a desktop Ubuntu system running on top of Android18:12
Elleoso you dock your Android phone with your PC and you get to use Ubuntu on the PC18:12
dobeyyeah, that's different18:13
dobeyramj: "as well as ubuntu, you'll be able to boot android"18:14
dobeyramj: that is multiboot, not UfA nor Ubuntu Touch18:14
sergiusensballoons: is the plugin's qmldir correct?18:14
dobeyand Ubuntu for Android is different from that as well18:15
dobeyit would theoretically be possible to have Android and Ubuntu in multiboot, and UfA on top of Android when you dock the phone while running under Android18:15
dobeyeven with UfA, i don't think it was possible to run android apps *in* ubuntu18:16
dobeyit was just that you could run ubuntu when docked to a monitor/keyboard/mouse18:17
ramjdobey Here you see another Edge video that claims the demo was real and running on a "Nexus 4" device using AOSP Android. <http://youtu.be/EtNhlVn3ETQ?t=1m22s> This is an old video, and note the "Everything you see here is fully functional today" in the end. They said this would all be pushed to Ubuntu Mobile once it's fully functional (now Ubuntu Touch), so the Ubuntu Edge campaign definitely implied this desktop convergence thing would b18:22
ramje possible by now. Just saying, in case you'll have other visitors thinking it will be possible with the developer preview from last week.18:22
dobeyramj: that's Ubuntu for Android18:23
ramjI know18:23
ramjback then18:24
ramj"This will all be pushed to Ubuntu Mobile (now Ubuntu Touch) once it's fully functional."18:24
ramjHence my misunderstanding (or misinformation)18:24
dobeyyes18:24
ramjI hope they will reintroduce both features at some point, and I trust they will18:27
mhall119Elleo: Deep Vision is pretty amazing18:27
ramjAll three projects run on a linux kernel and are open source.18:27
mhall119what I really would like, though, is somthing that uses OCR to detect URLs, so I can take a picture of a URL (when a QR code isn't available) and open it in the phone's browser18:27
DexterFwhat is "unflipped"?18:28
mhall119ramj: if the Edge had been funded we would have priorities the development of the converged desktop mode, but it wasn't so we prioritized other things18:29
mhall119DexterF: the original Ubuntu device image ran Ubuntu in a container on top of Cyanogenmod, but sometime early last year they were "flipped" so that Cyanogenmod ran in a container inside of Ubuntu18:30
mhall119so "unflipped" revers to how Ubuntu was loaded prior to that change18:30
DexterFum, so I can have my cake and eat it, i.e.: run CM inside touch when needed?18:31
Elleomhall119: I'll implement that next time I have a long weekend ;)18:31
Elleomhall119: libccv has a good text detection algorithm, so that plus tesseract or gocr could work pretty well18:32
dobeywhat i'd really like, is the edge, with toned down hardware closer to what's in the nexus 5, running the ubuntu touch images we have today18:32
bactDexterF: you could also duel boot with multirom18:32
dobeyi wonder if the mechanical drawings are avialable anywhere18:32
mhall119pmcgowan: can you give Elleo another long weekend? :)18:33
Elleohehe18:33
* pmcgowan suspects good things appeared18:33
DexterFmultirom seems a godd idea, I guess 512megs might be a little tight for running cm+ut alongside18:34
DexterF*good18:34
Elleopmcgowan: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2014/04/21/deep-vision-state-of-the-art-computer-vision-for-ubuntu-touch/ :)18:34
ramj<mhall119> Ah I guess what I am looking for is Ubuntu for Android, which is not integrated into Ubuntu Touch like they wanted to because we didn't reach the crowdfunding target, and it's not available for download as a preview either? (Not here anyway <http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android>)18:36
pmcgowanyikes18:36
dobeyDexterF: 512M is RAM? or storage?18:36
DexterFdobey: RAM. that thing is somewhat old18:37
dobeyDexterF: well, you can't run cm + ut simultaenously. you run one or the other, if i understand multiboot correctly18:37
DexterFhm. multirom says "only on nexus".18:38
mhall119ramj: yeah, UfA required modifying Android on a per-device basis, it's not really possible to offer without the OEM's on baord18:39
pmcgowanElleo, mhall119 thats freakin awesome18:40
Elleo:)18:40
pmcgowanElleo, let me know when its in the store!18:40
balloonssergiusens, sorry was on the phone. so I checked it against reminders and the setup looks quite similar. So again, afaict it is correct. I'm guessing you would suspect the directory, hence your asking?18:41
Elleopmcgowan: sure :) we ran up against a bug in the app armor profile for download manager, once that's fixed it'll be able to go in the store :)18:41
* pmcgowan see mhall119 beat him to g+18:41
pmcgowannice18:41
kenvandineElleo, cool!18:42
Elleokenvandine: plenty of nice content-hub demo in there too :P18:42
kenvandineElleo, :-D18:42
cwaynekenvandine, heya, is there an easy way to use dbus to authenticate to an account-plugin?18:42
kenvandinecwayne, you could possibly use the signon dbus interface18:43
kenvandinecwayne, but now sure if you can actually auth that way18:43
kenvandineprobably...18:44
kenvandinecwayne, check with mardy though, i really don't know how far you can get with that18:44
dobeycwayne: what do you mean by "authenticate to" exactly?18:45
dobeycwayne: you want the plug-in to authenticate to the server?18:45
cwayne_plars, ping18:54
plarscwayne_: hi18:54
cwayne_plars, hey, so any ideas what's going on with touch_custom?  i've ran the tests locally and it worked fine18:54
plarscwayne_: let me look18:54
plarscwayne_: ah, right. I mentioned this to you last week I think18:56
plarsRunning command: autopilot-list customization_tests18:56
plars...18:56
plarscustomization_tests.api.test_webbrowser_settings.BroYAML parsing error at line 3, column 59: /tmp/tmpvep1LC/testsuites/customizations/customizations/Failed to import test module: customization_tests.api.test_dconf/tc_control18:56
cwayne_plars, yes, but i can't understand why it'd work locally18:56
phablethow can i save an image from the web on touch?18:57
plarscwayne_: I can try to install that image locally and take a look. But what do you get when you try to run autopilot-list (I think it runs as the phablet user)18:58
Elleophablet: you can't quite yet, as soon as the download manager <-> content-hub integration stuff (and related browser changes) land you'll be able to though :)18:58
phabletelleo tnx18:59
cwayne_plars, im installing the latest now, i'll let you know, but i did phablet-test-run on last week's image and it worked18:59
phabletim on irrsi from nexus7 on new touch19:01
plarscwayne_: iirc, the customization tests needed some special handling because they are buried in the savilerow bzr branch19:01
plarscwayne_: I assume you are still doing something similar - pulling just that tests dir and pushing it to /home/phablet/autopilot/customization_tests?19:02
cwayne_yeah, that's exactly what i did19:02
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DexterFso the best supported mobile phone at current is the nexus 4?19:16
cwayne_plars, autopilot list keeps returning nothing19:18
plarscwayne_: well that clearly isn't going to work :)19:19
cwayne_plars, but i'm getting the same for everything,19:19
cwayne_autopilot list unity8 for example shows 0 too19:19
plarscwayne_: I have the image downloaded, and I'm installing it now19:19
plarscwayne_: sounds like you don't have any tests in the path it's looking19:20
cwayne_where should it be looking?19:20
plarscwayne_: try something more like: adb shell sudo -i -u phablet bash -ic \"PYTHONPATH=/home/phablet/autopilot autopilot list\"19:21
plars(you may need to specify the app)19:21
cwayne_plars, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7301623/19:22
cwayne_plars, so i think i know what's up then19:28
plarscwayne_: good timing, I *just* finished installing :)19:29
plarscwayne_: what's the problem?19:29
cwayne_plars, i think it's running python2.7 but should be python319:30
plarscwayne_: hmm, is autopilot making that choice?19:31
cwayne_im not sure19:32
cwayne_plars, but if i run autopilot list i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7301703/ but autopilot3 list has no issues19:32
plarscwayne_: ah19:34
plarscwayne_: ImportError: No module named configparser19:35
sergiusenscwayne_: plars yes it is, look at phablet-test-run and how it manages the import dir19:35
dobeyplars: trying to run python3 code on python2?19:35
plarsdobey: yes, that's what we've concluded19:35
sergiusensjdstrand: jjohansen any of you can give me an insight on what this means? Warning from profile com.ubuntu.camera_camera_2.9.1.258 (/var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.camera_camera_2.9.1.258) signal rules not enforced19:36
sergiusensor why it is happening at all19:36
cwayne_plars, so however the ci dashboard is running the tests is different then, which would explain why phablet-test-run is working for me19:36
plarscwayne_: how are you running it? at this point it's not even getting to phablet-test-run19:37
jjohansensergiusens: it means the userspace has been updated to a new version but the apparmor kernel module has not been yet19:37
plarsbut we are certainly using phablet-test-run in the ci scripts19:37
jjohansensergiusens: the update of those patches, is in testing19:37
cwayne_plars, i just push it to /home/phablet/autopilot/custom and then run phablet-test-run custom19:38
cwayne_plars, but so maybe for the customization_tests we should run autopilot3 list?19:38
plarscwayne_: I think part of our issue here is the special handling of the customization tests needed by the fact that it doesn't work like the other packaged tests, nor like the click bzr installed tests19:38
sergiusensjjohansen: thanks, I guess it's just a matter of time; I'm giving the vanilla x86 emu a go and running into that19:38
jjohansensergiusens: yep19:39
plarscwayne_: that should work just fine, do we know for sure that we don't have any other things that need python2 now?19:39
cwayne_plars, i know we don't need it for customization_tests but other than that i don't knoow19:40
sergiusensplars: unlock screen uses python2, gallery and a couple of community core app tests19:43
cwayne_plars, perhaps we just need to change discovery_cmd in tslist.auto?19:44
plarscwayne_: that's what I was shooting for, but I'm not sure that we're trading off customizations tests working for other things now failing19:45
plarsI *think* it should be ok, I believe it's the only autopilot test out there that doesn't behave now19:46
plarsso it's the only one that has to run as utah still19:46
plarscwayne_: of course the other option would be to make sure that the configparser import works in that testcase (if you get an exception on configparser, import ConfigParser instead)19:46
cwayne_plars, ah, we can do that I think19:50
plarscwayne_: ok, if you want to do it that way, go for it.  Otherwise, let me know, and to be safe I think I'll just make either an option for that autopilot-list script, or just make an autopilot3 version of it19:52
cwayne_plars, something like this? https://code.launchpad.net/~savilerow-team/savilerow/test-configparser/+merge/216623 seems to work for me19:55
plarscwayne_: +119:55
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cwayne_plars, so the test itself fails with python2, i think it makes more sense to just force 3 anyway20:13
plarscwayne_: right, but I thought autopilot or phablet-test-run would already do that20:13
cwayne_phablet-test-run does, but it looks like that's not how its run20:15
cwayne_it's run with autopilot run20:15
plarsah, right20:20
plarscwayne_: there's no click package that gets installed off of that where we could just hook that into phablet-click-test-setup to have it install the right stuff is there? That's the only reasons we need that extra setup to run like the utah tests, which is kinda silly since it's autopilot20:22
cwayne_plars, could we not just make test_cmd phablet-test-run {} instead of autopilot-test-run {}?20:28
plarscwayne_: nope20:30
plarscwayne_: I can work around it I think though20:30
plarscwayne_: hmm, so I tried adding a -3 flag for autopilot-list and autopilot-run to just run autopilot3 {everything} if you pass that to it21:05
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plarscwayne_: unfortunately, running autopilot3 doesn't seem to work well on those tests. I get 15 failures, 3 pass21:05
plarsand I never see anything actually running21:06
plarsit unlocks the screen and pretty much just sits there21:06
cwayne_it doesn't drive any apps, so that's fine21:06
plarsoh!21:06
plarsthis isn't a customized image21:06
plarsI could have sworn I installed -custom21:06
plarslet me try that :)21:06
cwayne_that'd be a start :)21:07
plarscwayne_: ok, much better: 18 passes, 0 failures21:27
plarscwayne_: I don't ever see anything happen on the screen though21:27
plarscwayne_: which I guess is expected... just weird21:27
plarssince it's autopilot21:27
cwayne_plars, yeah, i guess it doesn't really need to be autopilot21:37
plarscwayne_: I pushed a MP a bit ago that should fix this21:39
cwayne_plars, just took a look, looks good to me21:41
JoniiHello. For some reason my 3 and 4 finger touch gestures got disabled without me doing anything21:55
JoniiUbuntu 12.421:56
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JoniiAny idea what could have caused something like this?21:56
nhainesJonii: this is a place for developers to discuss working on Ubuntu on phones and tablets.21:59
JoniiOh. Okay21:59
nhainesJonii: if you need Ubuntu troubleshooting help, please try #ubuntu or askubuntu.com21:59
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kornhi all22:32
dakerdobey: i am getting : Unknown data technology :(22:57
dakerhttps://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/plugins/cellular/PageComponent.qml#L4822:58
dakerdobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7303092/23:24
ThorondorHi, is there an example of an app developed in C++ with only the User Interface specified in QML?23:47
ThorondorI would like to have only the UI description in QML, and connect it to C++ objects for the rest of the tasks23:48
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RAOFThorondor: The authenticator app is primarily C++, IIRC.23:58
RAOFThorondor: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/+junk/ubuntu-authenticator ; although I don't know if that's the canonical branch.23:58

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