[00:37] <nullh> Good day everyone. Is anyone alive around here?
[00:44] <Randy_O> I'm trying to run a QML app on my nexus 4 and I've been getting this error "/usr/share/qtcreator/ubuntu/scripts/qtc_device_run_app finished with code 255" This has worked before, suddenly stopped, any ideas?
[00:45] <Randy_O> also ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[02:25] <Randy_O> any Ubuntu phone SDK folks around? I'm getting an error now when trying to run an app on a Nexus 4 from the SDK: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[02:31] <Umeaboy> Randy_O: Tried using duckduckgo.com to find out why it closed the connection?
[02:32] <Umeaboy> It was mentioned about here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/10/15/%23ubuntu-touch.html
[02:33] <Umeaboy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1011934
[02:33] <Umeaboy> That might help you. :)
[02:33] <Randy_O> Umeaboy, that's great, thanks.
[02:33] <Umeaboy> You're welcome. ;)
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> Great work on the new ubuntu-touch guys!! im really happy with it on my nexus7
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> i also had to set android back on first
[03:38] <rww> What did you have on it before?
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> because i tested an older tutorial
[03:38] <rww> ah
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> well weeks ago i tested the dev version
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> with the FOSS tut
[03:38] <rww> I tried putting Cyanogenmod on there a day or so before I put UT on and it didn't work, so *shrug*
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> lemme show you
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> whats that for?
[03:39] <rww> anyways, works now that I did Android and then UT, so whatevs
[03:39] <rww> lotuspsychje: Cyanogenmod? it's another ROM for android stuff
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> ah ok
[03:39] <crazybear> Help!? I tried to upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 on a three monitor system - only one monitor had ANYTHING and NOT any of the controls or panels, so was unable to do ANYTHING.
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> this is the guide i followed weeks ago: http://itsfoss.com/install-ubuntu-touch-nexus-7-2013/
[03:40] <rww> crazybear: sounds like a problem with desktop, not touch?
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> but yesterday someone helped me with the channel=trusty --bootstrap line
[03:40] <crazybear> I don't have a touch anything - is this a dedicated touch room?
[03:41] <rww> crazybear: yep, this is #ubuntu-touch. Try /join #ubuntu
[03:41] <rww> :)
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> crazybear: and try a clean install by the way, not upgrade
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> rww: so the overal system doesnt turn yet on my n7
[03:42] <lotuspsychje> rww: but browser and most apps do
[03:42] <rww> yep
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> at least im not vunrable with android anymore :p
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> scary days lol
[03:43] <rww> unfortunately there's no way to lock it in place so it won't rotate (I lie down and web browse a lot), but baby steps :D
[03:43] <rww> (or maybe there is and I didn't find it yet_)
[03:43] <rww> anyways. overall very pleased with it
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> me too
[03:43] <lotuspsychje> overall speed is great
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> did you unlock with phablet, to install terminal packages?
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> the guy showed me a trick for that
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> so i could install nmap and such
[03:44] <rww> nope, but I know how to :)
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> phablet-config writable-image
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> kk cool :p
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> rww: did you test pdf yet?
[03:45] <rww> nope
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> got a load of magazines to try
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> best app i found on android was foxitreader
[03:59] <nullh> I just got ubuntu dual booting on my nexus 7 and have been playing with it for a few hours... I can't seem to change the home screen background, is this known to be an issue, or perhaps I'm an idiot?
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> nullh: did you try import wallpapers first or existing photo?
[04:01] <nullh> Well, I tried it with a photo. As it stands, the background is white with a couple of designer angles in gray
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> did not test myself yet
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> ill try later :p
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> nullh: you have the dev or the trusty install?
[04:02] <nullh> The lock screen background is the standard ubuntu purple, and the switch to make lock and home screen the same is set, so I'm not sure
[04:02] <nullh> trusty
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> ok
[04:02] <nullh> Otherwise, overall it seems to be pretty cool :) A little bit of a work in progress, but I fully expected that lol
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> im really happy too
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> it can only get better now
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> at least were not stuck to unsafe android anymore :p
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> did you find the bookmark trick on webbrowser?
[04:04] <nullh> lol, everything has security vulnerabilities *coughcoughheartbleed* but yeah, it will be nice to be in control :D
[04:04] <nullh> I have not actually, what is this trick you speak of?
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> if you open lets say google
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> in 'activity' it will show your current open url
[04:04] <nullh> Yup
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> under that icon there's a little bookmark star
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> tick to set as bookmark
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> to star yellow
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> so next time you open browser activity you can open all your fav pages from bookmarks
[04:05] <nullh> I don't see that, but what I do see is, after hitting activities, there's a bookmark "tab" (is that what they're called?) at the top
[04:05] <nullh> and I can bookmark from there
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> it works on your current open pages
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> not history pages
[04:06] <nullh> Oh! I see what you mean now, that's neat
[04:06] <nullh> I was just blind >.<
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:07] <nullh> Plus, it didn't occur to me that those were tabs lol
[04:07] <nullh> Despite the clear label
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> didnt find myself howto set google as startpage oO
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> no webbrowsing settings neither
[04:08] <nullh> I think that may be a case of over-nerfing
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:08] <nullh> Yeah, if it's there, I can't find it either lol
[04:09] <nullh> Do you also find that, in landscape mode, the status bar remains on the short side?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> yes indeed
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> unhandy
[04:10] <nullh> Agreed. I don't assume that's intentional though lol
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> i think the devs will be wild on this new touch
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> it can only get better
[04:11] <nullh> I'm excited to see what comes of it
[04:11] <nullh> Especially since I just found out not too long ago that Mozilla is going to throw their hat into the mobile market as well
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> nullh: did you unlock phablet-config trick to install terminal stuff?
[04:12] <nullh> Considering I have no clue what you're talking about, I'm gonna say no :P
[04:12] <nullh> But I do have a terminal app
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> well i wanted to install nmap
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> but the device is locked to install stuff
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> so you need an unlock
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> with this line:µ
[04:13] <nullh> Once I do that, can I install any ubuntu arm package?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> phablet-config writable-image
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> after that device will reboot
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> and you can install any package you want
[04:13] <nullh> Can i do that on my tablet? I don't actually run ubuntu on my desktop, I'm one of those eats-school-glue Arch guys
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> no its just to install packages from terminal
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> like sudo apt-get install nmap
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> from your n7
[04:14] <nullh> Right, but can i do that phablet-config command from the tablet?
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> or whatever package you like
[04:15] <nullh> cnf D:
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> oh right its from desktop yes
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> usb cable to computer right
[04:15] <nullh> darn, okay now I have to figure out how to get the phablet-config program on my desktop lol
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> just paste that lin eon desktop terminal
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> and it will suggest you package you need
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> think its phablet-tools
[04:16] <nullh> I don't run Ubuntu on my desktop though lol
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> ahhh
[04:16] <nullh> I found it, there's a user-submitted phablet-tools package
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> yep
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> thats the one
[04:18] <syeekick> hey
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: hello mate
[04:18] <nullh> g'day
[04:18] <nullh> or night, as it were
[04:18] <syeekick> morning
[04:18] <syeekick> :-)
[04:19] <syeekick> anyone know if the lenovo a850 would work with ubuntu touch?
[04:20] <nullh> Holy crap, Lenovo makes phones?
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: the devices supported are in topic mate
[04:20] <bact> nullh: psssst... lenovo just bought motorola off google
[04:20] <syeekick> also does anyone know if the ubuntu phones wifi chip will support promiscuous mode and packet injection
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: i think wireshark can run just fine on it
[04:21] <nullh> bact, I did not know that. Makes sense now though haha
[04:21] <syeekick> aircrack?
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: i dont see why not
[04:22] <nullh> Assuming the hardware supports these functions
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> syeekick: from terminal you can do whatever you like
[04:23] <syeekick> hardware dependent. there is only a few wireless chipsets that support packet injection and promiscuous mode (mon0 etc). i'll assume it can do soft ap as most androids can
[04:23] <syeekick> few chipsets yet many devices ^
[04:25] <nullh> well, I have theoretically unlocked all the packages on my nexus 7 2013 that dual boots trusty, thanks to lotuspsychje
[04:25] <nullh> So I suppose I can try real quick
[04:26] <syeekick> nullh, you got aircrack-ng installed?
[04:26] <nullh> Not yet, but hopefully soon
[04:27] <nullh> I'm pulling down wireshark now, I will pit in the aircrack suite next and see if I can airmon the wifi card
[04:28] <nullh> *put
[04:28] <syeekick> thanks buddy
[04:28] <syeekick> in wait and heres hoping
[04:28] <syeekick> nullh, would you of installed it any way?
[04:28] <nullh> well, there's a package so we're off to a good start :P
[04:29] <nullh> syeekick, eventually probably, just to toy with it. I don't do as much pen testing stuff as I would like to lol
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> there are so many pentesting tools out there
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> was scary days on my n7 with android
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> just to look at google play store was so scary
[04:34] <syeekick> so many powerful tools too
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> malicious apps just wait for users to click
[04:35] <nullh> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B26edscSY9FsMGFuX09VZFJJUUE/edit?usp=sharing
[04:35] <nullh> Doesn't look like it worked to me
[04:35] <nullh> running iwoncig after doesn't show a new mon0 device either
[04:36] <nullh> *iwconfig, man my typing is awful tonight
[04:36] <syeekick> seems to be al correct syntax
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> nullh: maybe the wifi doesnt name wlan on touch?
[04:36] <syeekick> sad face
[04:36] <syeekick> it does you can see at the top
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> oh ok
[04:37] <syeekick> ifconfig  -a
[04:37] <nullh> Yeah, definitely not there
[04:37] <syeekick> but what you say holds some weight as it sasy "error getting interface flags: no such device"
[04:38] <nullh> BTW, does there happen to be a screenshot capability in ubuntu tablet so I don't look like a moron posting pictures of screens? lol
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> didnt find yet :p
[04:38] <nullh> Okay, so now I don't feel so bad
[04:38] <syeekick> thanks nullh
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> haha
[04:38] <nullh> Anyway, iwconfig returns only two options with wireless extensions, wlan0 and p2p0
[04:39] <nullh> and my guess is that it's not p2p0 :P especially wince wlan0 shows my SSID
[04:39] <syeekick> hehe
[04:39] <syeekick> appreciate your help nullh
[04:39] <nullh> no problemo, it would have been cool if it did work haha... Now we just need someone with a 4, a 10, and a 2012 7 to try it :P
[04:40] <nullh> Although the wifi hardware probably didn't change between 7 revisions
[04:40] <syeekick> true!
[04:40] <syeekick> is it any good? be honest
[04:40] <nullh> I'm on verizon or I would definitely have a 4 as well
[04:40] <nullh> Ubuntu Tablet?
[04:40] <syeekick> aye
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> i also run the new ubuntu touch on nexus7 2013 wifi
[04:41] <nullh> As long as you accept that it's not completed, yeah it's pretty neat. I've only had it for about five hours though lol so I am probably not the best advocate/detractor
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> there's still work on it, but it improved alot
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> i saw a video somewhere holdon syeekick
[04:42] <nullh> I've had it crash and require a reboot once, and the controls are a little odd at first. But once you get used to the controls, they're actually kinda awesome
[04:43] <nullh> Not a lot of eye-candy and not a lot of simple pleasures (like buttons giving visual feedback while you're pressing them)
[04:43] <nullh> And a little lacking in the app department, but I can't judge on that until it's officially released
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcRoNPzIbzQ
[04:44] <nullh> If you're hesitant, do what I did- I dual boot my n7 with android and ubuntu
[04:44] <nullh> That way, if you decide you hate it, android is one reboot away
[04:49] <syeekick> nice
[04:51] <frecel> I'm trying to install openssh-server on my nexus4 and I keep getting this:
[04:51] <frecel> W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[04:51] <frecel> E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/
[04:51] <frecel> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[04:51] <frecel> any help?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> frecel:you need to unlock your device
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> frecel: put a cable from ubuntu desktop to your n4
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> frecel: and paste this from your desktop terminal: phablet-config writable-image
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> frecel: you might need to install phablet-tools before
[04:54] <frecel>  ok, thanks
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> frecel: after your n4 reboots, your device will be writeable
[04:58] <nullh> I wish the TV dinner people would just sell standalone microwave brownies, that would be delicious
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:04] <frecel> lotuspsychje: it worked, thanks
[05:04] <frecel> nullh: apparently there is several ways to make brownies in a microwave
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> frecel: np just learned it yesterday aswell
[05:08] <nullh> frecel, actually I had never thought about just taking brownie mix and making it in the microwave... I feel the need to prepare some brownie cups now to have on-demand fresh brownies
[05:09] <frecel> nullh: someone told me recently that there is a really easy way to make brownies out of nutella, I wonder if that recipie would work in a micowave
[05:11] <nullh> Nutella brownies? Sounds like it's time to stop tablet experimentation, and partake in some culinary experimentation
[06:06] <bact> frecel: there's a way to make a brownie in a mug, in a microwave, but it turns out really badly
[06:14] <phablet> test from irrsi on terminal ubuntu touch
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> the live RSS app is really great on ubuntu-touch
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> can add rss feeds with handy search function
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> and open the websites link
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> real sweet
[11:23] <bact> lotuspsychje: does it import opml?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> bact: i dont think so, its rather a simple online feed search
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> bact: but did not try the opml
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> bact: how about you try to search the website that uses the opml?
[11:24] <bact> the website?
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> or where do you need the import from
[11:26] <bact> If I follow hundreds of websites on my rss feed reader I'm not going to want to import them manually when opml is available
[11:26] <bact> it's a dealbreaker
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> i hear you
[11:26] <bact> its only a simple xml format with a list of subscriptions
[13:15] <arubislander> Hi all!
[13:16] <arubislander> Happy day-after easter.
[13:18] <arubislander> I know that the Nexus 7 (grouper) is  no longer officially supported, but images were still available to download with multiboot.
[13:18] <arubislander> My question is: has anyone else tried the latest release and actually got it to work?
[13:19] <arubislander> Mine freezes, but the fix of deleting the file /home/phablet/.display-mir no longer works because the file is not there to begin with.
[13:20] <arubislander> So I was wondering what else could be done to fix the freezing issue.
[13:20] <Elleo> arubislander: as far as I'm aware the .display-mir file triggered whether or not to use Mir (versus surfaceflinger)
[13:20] <Elleo> arubislander: but all new images just provide Mir
[13:20] <Elleo> so there's no option to use SurfaceFlinger any more
[13:21] <Elleo> so I would suspect you're out of luck, but I don't really know any details about the old nexus 7s
[13:22] <arubislander> OK, I guess so too. Funny thing is that it works sometimes... but eventually freezes...
[13:31] <arubislander> Thanks anyhow. I'll reboot a couple of times and see what is what :)
[14:26] <cwayne> mandel, hi -- i saw this online and was wondering if it can be used to actually login with an online-account to make oauth signed calls fro golang? http://www.themacaque.com/?p=1133
[14:28] <mandel> cwayne, I would nto use it, that is very old and is accessing the glib library directly.. which is not a good idea because it leaks the glib memory management
[14:28] <dobey> i'd expect using signon-qt/accounts-qt would be the thing to do on the phone, from golang
[14:29] <dobey> until a go-specific lib is available for signon and accounts libs
[14:29] <mandel> cwayne, dobey exactly, and I think the best would be to have a golang specific version
[14:30] <cwayne> yeah, i suppose i'd have to wait until someone gets a golang specific version up
[14:30] <mandel> cwayne, what do you want to do? I'm sure is not a lot of work :)
[14:30] <mandel> dobey, is there a dbus api for online accounts I can take a look at?
[14:31] <sergiusens> yeah, if it's dbus we are golden
[14:31] <sergiusens> :-)
[14:31] <cwayne> mandel, i wanted to use an account-plugin in a scope written in golang
[14:32] <mandel> cwayne, if we have a dbus one I'm sure we can get something quick ready for you and sergiusens can complain about by go :)
[14:35] <sergiusens> cwayne: all of this oauth mess is what puts me off from doing anything from an app perspective (and you can see app devs have that issue as they wrap logins to javascript call backs)
[14:37] <cwayne> sergiusens, oauth isnt super fun, but it's not too bad from within js
[14:37] <Elleo> mandel: what apparmor permissions are required to use download manager? I thought it was just networking, but I have that set and am still getting denied
[14:38] <mandel> Elleo, oh, very good question, let me find that for you
[14:39] <Elleo> thanks :)
[14:41] <mandel> Elleo, as per this https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/trusty-proposed is networking
[14:41] <mandel> Elleo, can you show me the error you are getting?
[14:41] <Elleo> sure, just a sec
[14:42] <cwayne> mardy, ping
[14:42] <mandel> Elleo, yep, in lp:ubuntu/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu I can see it in ./data/policygroups/ubuntu/1.1/networking
[14:42] <Elleo> mandel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7299686/
[14:42] <dobey> mandel, cwayne, sergiusens: you can use dbus yeah, but it's more masochistic than using signon-qt/accounts-qt from golang, i suspect
[14:43] <Elleo> I'm doing other network stuff within the app successfully (populating an XmlListModel), so the networking permission is working for simpler stuff
[14:44] <dobey> sergiusens: the main problem with online accounts, is that there's very little incentive for app developers to actually use it
[14:44] <dobey> cwayne: i'm guessing mardy is on nat'l holiday today
[14:47] <cwayne> mandel, signond-dev seems to have some dbus interfaces that seem relevant
[14:48] <sergiusens> dobey: that and it's hard to add new ones
[14:49] <dobey> sergiusens: it's not terribly hard to add new ones for real oauth-based services (well, somewhat harder on the phone); but the click package model lends itself to having lots of apps shipping the same plug-in for a service
[14:50] <dobey> also, online-accounts only handles authentication and storage of the token/password. every app still has to do all the work to talk to the service in question, so it's often easier to just do authentication as well as the rest of the API calls
[14:51] <cwayne> but that wouldn't really work for a scope
[14:51] <dobey> it could
[14:51] <sergiusens> dobey: yeah, I meant hard on the phone; I also only found an askubuntu reply for oauth1, being oauth clueless it is hard with no introductory documentation
[14:52] <cwayne> we definitely need better documentation for using account-plugins in SDK apps
[14:52] <dobey> cwayne: really, the only thing preventing a scope from doing the auth itself, is lack of UI widgets in the dash for doing it
[14:53] <cwayne> yeah, but that's a real blocker
[14:54] <dobey> cwayne: it also means most people writing scopes are just going to end up writing scopes that don't require authentication
[14:54] <dobey> because the alternative is too complex/difficult
[14:54] <cwayne> unless we can help shape this into a better story for app devs now
[14:55] <dobey> i don't see how. clicks can't have dependencies
[14:55] <dobey> so providing a package that is just the plug-in to online-accounts for a service, that apps can require, is basically not possible
[15:01] <cwayne> that's something we'll definitely have to figure out, but regardless, having support for account-plugins for scopes is still something that we'd want to support
[15:01] <dobey> scopes can use account plug-ins already
[15:01] <stork91> I was asked to come here in regards to editing themes
[15:01] <stork91> ... which is kinda weird
[15:01] <dobey> ie, the click scope does it
[15:02] <cwayne> i mean from go
[15:02] <dobey> stork91: yes, i think this is not the right place for that
[15:02] <stork91> anyone happen to know where I would go to get some information about how to edit colors now that the update has changed things?
[15:03] <dobey> cwayne: yeah, and javascript too. go at least has a reasonable solution. not sure if the JS scopes can use QML too or not, though
[15:03] <dobey> stork91: you can't change the theme on the phone if that's what you're asking
[15:03] <cwayne> not sure, but there's not really a reasonable solution for go quite yet
[15:03] <dobey> cwayne: using signon-qt/accounts-qt from go will work
[15:04] <stork91> BTW, whoever was in charge of designing the onboard keyboard, You need to be put in charge of editing Ubuntu themes.
[15:04] <dobey> cwayne: it's not the absolute best that can be done, but i think it is somewhat reasonable
[15:04] <stork91> Im on a desktop
[15:04] <cwayne> dobey, there's no documentation/scopes that do that yet though
[15:04] <dobey> stork91: you need to go to #ubuntu for help about using ubuntu, then
[15:04] <cwayne> so as of now that's pretty theoretical imho
[15:04] <stork91> was there...
[15:05] <dobey> cwayne: ubuntu-push-client sort of does i think (not a scope, but it is in go)
[15:05] <stork91> anyhow... pass that info on to whoever did that.
[15:05] <dobey> whatever
[15:07] <dobey> cwayne: it only cares about the u1 account, and we have a library for getting the u1 account, but that lib is also written as a qt api
[15:08] <dobey> cwayne: and niemeyer has been doing a lot of work to make qt usable from go
[15:08] <daker> anyone know how can i get the sim cad to work ?
[15:08] <genii_> Will the Meizu MX3 and BQ Aquarius be added at some point to the main Touch site as officially supported, or will the manufacturers be resonsible in this case ?
[15:10] <dobey> genii_: the devices will get custom OEM images when they are released, afaik. and nobody has the specific hardware that will come in those phones at the moment, so i don't know when they will be supported by official builds.
[15:10] <dobey> daker: in a nexus 4?
[15:10] <daker> dobey: yes
[15:10] <genii> dobey: OK, thanks.
[15:10] <dobey> daker: it should just work.
[15:11] <HoloIRCUser> Does anyone know if someone is working on galaxy s5?
[15:11] <daker> dobey: cellulare/data checkboxs are disabled after a few seconds
[15:11] <daker> and the carriers list is empty
[15:12] <bact> HoloIRCUser: Personally I find xda, of all things, to be a good resource for info like that, chances are that if it exists then its been posted there
[15:13] <HoloIRCUser> Ah then if someone is working on it they have not posted it. It's just a week old device anyway so :)
[15:13] <dobey> daker: ok. i don't have a n4, but i know plenty of people are using it daily as an actual phone with ubuntu on it. so afaik, it should just work if you have an active registered SIM
[15:13] <sergiusens> I use it as my daily phone (and only phone)
[15:13] <bact> sergiusens: how unfortunate
[15:14] <bact> I could only bring myself to dualboot ubuntu touch on my nexus 4
[15:14] <sergiusens> why? I like it
[15:14] <bact> its okay, but it doesn't give me what I expect out of a smartphone.. yet
[15:14] <frecel___> good morning
[15:15] <dobey> bact: it might not fulfill all your needs yet, but that doesn't mean you should be rude to say that it is unfortunate sergiusens is using it as such, because he finds it enough to meet his needs
[15:16] <sergiusens> bact: all I miss is navigation and even with android I gave up on assisted navigation and just drove locally and in foreign places
[15:16] <bact> dobey: lighten up, it was a joke
[15:16] <frecel> Is there a way to remove a trusted wi-fi network so my phone doesn't connect to it automatically?
[15:17] <sergiusens> frecel: no UI way yet :/ You can delete the conf file manually from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[15:17] <frecel> sergiusens: thanks
[15:18] <dobey> bact: joke or not, it was a bit rude, and such comments may dissuade interest from others who want to try ubuntu on their phones, when they read such comments
[15:20] <dobey> i wouldn't mind trying to use it daily as my actual phone, but the hardware i want isn't officially supported yet, and isn't available in a reasonable size for a phone
[15:21] <bact> dobey: ubuntu touch isn't very responsive in contrast to android
[15:22] <dobey> bact: ubuntu touch hasn't been around ever long in contrast to android
[15:22] <bact> true
[15:34] <dobey> ubuntu is also developed in the open, in contrast to much of android, which was a big code drop for the open bits when they had it working pretty well already at first, and there are still many proprietary bits to it
[16:12] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, the terminal that is included in ubuntu touch... that is legit, right?
[16:13] <Aki-Thinkpad> from what I understand, androids terminal wasn't really authentic
[16:14] <Aki-Thinkpad> however I am not exactly sure what that means...
[16:15] <dobey> yeah i have no idea what you mean
[16:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, a) can't run root, b) can't run most applications built for linux
[16:16] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: terminal on the phone is nominally useless, really
[16:16] <Aki-Thinkpad> actually I think I got confused when I first read about it
[16:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> calling it a terminal emulator, I mistaked that for being similar to a snes emulator;
[16:17] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, do you think that could change with ubuntu phone though?
[16:18] <dobey> and i don't think it's going to be something included by default on real devices.
[16:18] <Aki-Thinkpad> yah, I wonder...
[16:19] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey,  but ubuntu did put a lot of work into their terminal; I do not think android developers ever bothered making one, although I could be mistaken
[16:19] <dobey> Aki-Thinkpad: no. apps are confined on ubuntu phone. have an unconfined terminal app is not supportive of that design
[16:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> dobey, then what was the purpose of ubuntu making that terminal?
[16:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> also there is the question of convergence
[16:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> if I want to run my desktop off my phone; you would think they would give me access to the terminal, no?
[16:21] <Aki-Thinkpad> hmmmm question for jono I suppose next q&a
[16:21] <dobey> not necessarily
[16:21] <dobey> but then, the full convergence story is not answered yet
[16:22] <dobey> come back in 2 years :)
[16:22] <dobey> anyway, must get food…
[17:41] <ramj> Hey, curious here! I want to buy a tablet and install Ubuntu Touch at some point in the future. I'd like it to support full desktop convergence in the future. I was looking at Samsung Nexus 10, but it has 'only' dual core and 2GB ram. On Wikipedia it sais Full Desktop Convergence requires Quad Core and 4GB ram.
[17:42] <ramj> What kind of tablet available now is not crazy expensive (and by crazy I mean those octocore TabPro's (that aren't even on the supported list (yet))) and supports this already?
[17:42] <dobey> ramj: full convergence doesn't exist; wikipedia is wrong
[17:43] <ramj> aww snap. I saw that feature explained in some demonstation video and I thought: I WANT THAT! NOW!
[17:43] <dobey> it was only a demo
[17:44] <ramj> I know, but it makes sense a demo is based on an actual developer work in progress image, right?
[17:44] <dobey> not always, no
[17:46] <ramj> Ok, good thing you just helped me out of the dream. I don't really see added value to Touch over Android, except for it being awesome. The added value was this desktop-on-dock thing.
[17:46] <Pepperinoo> Hi I have a problem... i would like install Ubuntu Touch on a Samsung Galaxy S I9000 with Android 2.2. Are this possible? What do i wrong?
[17:47] <dobey> ramj: come back in many months when we've built the platform to that point then. or better yet, get hardware that you can use ubuntu on as a phone platform, and help us build it
[17:47] <dobey> !devices Pepperinoo
[17:47] <dobey> !devices
[17:47] <dobey> Pepperinoo: ^^
[17:50] <ramj> dobey: well the desktop thing is kinda what they promised me when I pledged $650 for the Ubuntu Edge last year, which would come out right about now. Unfortunately we (as a community) didn't make the target, but it's not crazy to think that the software was already (somewhat) at the stage of this, right? :)
[17:50] <Pepperinoo> ok thanks i show
[17:51] <DexterF> hi
[17:51] <ramj> Not qualified to help build. I might be qualified to help test in the future. I will buy a new smartphone soonish, but not one of those lame Nexus ones. :)
[17:51] <dobey> not sure what was exactly promised for the edge to be supporting but i'm not sure full convergence was part of that
[17:52] <DexterF> what are my chances of running touch on a HTC Desire Z (fairly old, 512meg, single core 700mhz, has a real keyboard, reason I keep it)
[17:52] <dobey> !devices
[17:52] <ramj> Well that's where the video demonstrated that as one of the USPs, so yeah they did. Maybe they cancelled the feature when they didn't make the target, because probably part of the money raised would go to extra developers.
[17:55] <ramj> dobey: Also, the feature demonstrated where you could run Android apps within Ubuntu Touch, was that real or not (yet)?
[17:56] <dobey> i don't recall that at all
[17:56] <ramj> Wow, am I in the correct channel?
[17:56] <dobey> i think maybe you misunderstood some things in a promotional video
[17:58] <Pepperinoo> I have found it :)
[17:58] <dobey> the video mentioned using ubuntu and android in dual boot, not as android apps running on ubuntu
[17:59] <frecel> I'm trying to run an app on a device from SDK and I get this: Bad port 'phablet@127.0.0.1'
[17:59] <dobey> you can dual boot andorid and ubuntu on most any of the phones supported by the community build
[17:59] <Elleo> http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2014/04/21/deep-vision-state-of-the-art-computer-vision-for-ubuntu-touch/ <-- demo of my fancy new computer vision app for ubuntu touch :)
[18:00] <ramj> @dobey I clearly saw this in a demonstration video, but perhaps I am confusing a different project by Canonical with Ubuntu touch.
[18:01] <Elleo> ramj: are you sure you're not thinking of SailfishOS? That includes an Android compatibility layer
[18:01] <dobey> several years ago there was a demo of running android apps on ubuntu on an arm laptop
[18:02] <balloons> sergiusens, howdy
[18:02] <dobey> but that was a completely separate thing, and before we really started building the phone platform
[18:11] <ramj> I cannot find the video where I saw this feature on a docked phone (both desktop and running Android apps inside Ubuntu) so I cannot 'prove' this (other than Mark Shuttleworth literally saying in his presentation video for the Ubuntu Edge that the phone has full Desktop Convergence with Android <http://youtu.be/eQLe3iIMN7k?t=4m14s>, but he calls it "Ubuntu for Android" so that's maybe a different project), but it surprises me that you seem
[18:11] <ramj>  to have no idea what I am talking about, even if they were features planned and later abandoned.
[18:11] <ramj> But ah well, thanks for clearing this up for me either way. :)
[18:12] <Elleo> ramj: Ubuntu for Android was a different project, where you had a desktop Ubuntu system running on top of Android
[18:12] <Elleo> so you dock your Android phone with your PC and you get to use Ubuntu on the PC
[18:13] <dobey> yeah, that's different
[18:14] <dobey> ramj: "as well as ubuntu, you'll be able to boot android"
[18:14] <dobey> ramj: that is multiboot, not UfA nor Ubuntu Touch
[18:14] <sergiusens> balloons: is the plugin's qmldir correct?
[18:15] <dobey> and Ubuntu for Android is different from that as well
[18:15] <dobey> it would theoretically be possible to have Android and Ubuntu in multiboot, and UfA on top of Android when you dock the phone while running under Android
[18:16] <dobey> even with UfA, i don't think it was possible to run android apps *in* ubuntu
[18:17] <dobey> it was just that you could run ubuntu when docked to a monitor/keyboard/mouse
[18:22] <ramj> dobey Here you see another Edge video that claims the demo was real and running on a "Nexus 4" device using AOSP Android. <http://youtu.be/EtNhlVn3ETQ?t=1m22s> This is an old video, and note the "Everything you see here is fully functional today" in the end. They said this would all be pushed to Ubuntu Mobile once it's fully functional (now Ubuntu Touch), so the Ubuntu Edge campaign definitely implied this desktop convergence thing would b
[18:22] <ramj> e possible by now. Just saying, in case you'll have other visitors thinking it will be possible with the developer preview from last week.
[18:23] <dobey> ramj: that's Ubuntu for Android
[18:23] <ramj> I know
[18:24] <ramj> back then
[18:24] <ramj> "This will all be pushed to Ubuntu Mobile (now Ubuntu Touch) once it's fully functional."
[18:24] <ramj> Hence my misunderstanding (or misinformation)
[18:24] <dobey> yes
[18:27] <ramj> I hope they will reintroduce both features at some point, and I trust they will
[18:27] <mhall119> Elleo: Deep Vision is pretty amazing
[18:27] <ramj> All three projects run on a linux kernel and are open source.
[18:27] <mhall119> what I really would like, though, is somthing that uses OCR to detect URLs, so I can take a picture of a URL (when a QR code isn't available) and open it in the phone's browser
[18:28] <DexterF> what is "unflipped"?
[18:29] <mhall119> ramj: if the Edge had been funded we would have priorities the development of the converged desktop mode, but it wasn't so we prioritized other things
[18:30] <mhall119> DexterF: the original Ubuntu device image ran Ubuntu in a container on top of Cyanogenmod, but sometime early last year they were "flipped" so that Cyanogenmod ran in a container inside of Ubuntu
[18:30] <mhall119> so "unflipped" revers to how Ubuntu was loaded prior to that change
[18:31] <DexterF> um, so I can have my cake and eat it, i.e.: run CM inside touch when needed?
[18:31] <Elleo> mhall119: I'll implement that next time I have a long weekend ;)
[18:32] <Elleo> mhall119: libccv has a good text detection algorithm, so that plus tesseract or gocr could work pretty well
[18:32] <dobey> what i'd really like, is the edge, with toned down hardware closer to what's in the nexus 5, running the ubuntu touch images we have today
[18:32] <bact> DexterF: you could also duel boot with multirom
[18:32] <dobey> i wonder if the mechanical drawings are avialable anywhere
[18:33] <mhall119> pmcgowan: can you give Elleo another long weekend? :)
[18:33] <Elleo> hehe
[18:33]  * pmcgowan suspects good things appeared
[18:34] <DexterF> multirom seems a godd idea, I guess 512megs might be a little tight for running cm+ut alongside
[18:34] <DexterF> *good
[18:34] <Elleo> pmcgowan: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2014/04/21/deep-vision-state-of-the-art-computer-vision-for-ubuntu-touch/ :)
 Ah I guess what I am looking for is Ubuntu for Android, which is not integrated into Ubuntu Touch like they wanted to because we didn't reach the crowdfunding target, and it's not available for download as a preview either? (Not here anyway <http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android>)
[18:36] <pmcgowan> yikes
[18:36] <dobey> DexterF: 512M is RAM? or storage?
[18:37] <DexterF> dobey: RAM. that thing is somewhat old
[18:37] <dobey> DexterF: well, you can't run cm + ut simultaenously. you run one or the other, if i understand multiboot correctly
[18:38] <DexterF> hm. multirom says "only on nexus".
[18:39] <mhall119> ramj: yeah, UfA required modifying Android on a per-device basis, it's not really possible to offer without the OEM's on baord
[18:40] <pmcgowan> Elleo, mhall119 thats freakin awesome
[18:40] <Elleo> :)
[18:40] <pmcgowan> Elleo, let me know when its in the store!
[18:41] <balloons> sergiusens, sorry was on the phone. so I checked it against reminders and the setup looks quite similar. So again, afaict it is correct. I'm guessing you would suspect the directory, hence your asking?
[18:41] <Elleo> pmcgowan: sure :) we ran up against a bug in the app armor profile for download manager, once that's fixed it'll be able to go in the store :)
[18:41]  * pmcgowan see mhall119 beat him to g+
[18:41] <pmcgowan> nice
[18:42] <kenvandine> Elleo, cool!
[18:42] <Elleo> kenvandine: plenty of nice content-hub demo in there too :P
[18:42] <kenvandine> Elleo, :-D
[18:42] <cwayne> kenvandine, heya, is there an easy way to use dbus to authenticate to an account-plugin?
[18:43] <kenvandine> cwayne, you could possibly use the signon dbus interface
[18:43] <kenvandine> cwayne, but now sure if you can actually auth that way
[18:44] <kenvandine> probably...
[18:44] <kenvandine> cwayne, check with mardy though, i really don't know how far you can get with that
[18:45] <dobey> cwayne: what do you mean by "authenticate to" exactly?
[18:45] <dobey> cwayne: you want the plug-in to authenticate to the server?
[18:54] <cwayne_> plars, ping
[18:54] <plars> cwayne_: hi
[18:54] <cwayne_> plars, hey, so any ideas what's going on with touch_custom?  i've ran the tests locally and it worked fine
[18:54] <plars> cwayne_: let me look
[18:56] <plars> cwayne_: ah, right. I mentioned this to you last week I think
[18:56] <plars> Running command: autopilot-list customization_tests
[18:56] <plars> ...
[18:56] <plars> customization_tests.api.test_webbrowser_settings.BroYAML parsing error at line 3, column 59: /tmp/tmpvep1LC/testsuites/customizations/customizations/Failed to import test module: customization_tests.api.test_dconf/tc_control
[18:56] <cwayne_> plars, yes, but i can't understand why it'd work locally
[18:57] <phablet> how can i save an image from the web on touch?
[18:58] <plars> cwayne_: I can try to install that image locally and take a look. But what do you get when you try to run autopilot-list (I think it runs as the phablet user)
[18:58] <Elleo> phablet: you can't quite yet, as soon as the download manager <-> content-hub integration stuff (and related browser changes) land you'll be able to though :)
[18:59] <phablet> elleo tnx
[18:59] <cwayne_> plars, im installing the latest now, i'll let you know, but i did phablet-test-run on last week's image and it worked
[19:01] <phablet> im on irrsi from nexus7 on new touch
[19:01] <plars> cwayne_: iirc, the customization tests needed some special handling because they are buried in the savilerow bzr branch
[19:02] <plars> cwayne_: I assume you are still doing something similar - pulling just that tests dir and pushing it to /home/phablet/autopilot/customization_tests?
[19:02] <cwayne_> yeah, that's exactly what i did
[19:16] <DexterF> so the best supported mobile phone at current is the nexus 4?
[19:18] <cwayne_> plars, autopilot list keeps returning nothing
[19:19] <plars> cwayne_: well that clearly isn't going to work :)
[19:19] <cwayne_> plars, but i'm getting the same for everything,
[19:19] <cwayne_> autopilot list unity8 for example shows 0 too
[19:19] <plars> cwayne_: I have the image downloaded, and I'm installing it now
[19:20] <plars> cwayne_: sounds like you don't have any tests in the path it's looking
[19:20] <cwayne_> where should it be looking?
[19:21] <plars> cwayne_: try something more like: adb shell sudo -i -u phablet bash -ic \"PYTHONPATH=/home/phablet/autopilot autopilot list\"
[19:21] <plars> (you may need to specify the app)
[19:22] <cwayne_> plars, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7301623/
[19:28] <cwayne_> plars, so i think i know what's up then
[19:29] <plars> cwayne_: good timing, I *just* finished installing :)
[19:29] <plars> cwayne_: what's the problem?
[19:30] <cwayne_> plars, i think it's running python2.7 but should be python3
[19:31] <plars> cwayne_: hmm, is autopilot making that choice?
[19:32] <cwayne_> im not sure
[19:32] <cwayne_> plars, but if i run autopilot list i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7301703/ but autopilot3 list has no issues
[19:34] <plars> cwayne_: ah
[19:35] <plars> cwayne_: ImportError: No module named configparser
[19:35] <sergiusens> cwayne_: plars yes it is, look at phablet-test-run and how it manages the import dir
[19:35] <dobey> plars: trying to run python3 code on python2?
[19:35] <plars> dobey: yes, that's what we've concluded
[19:36] <sergiusens> jdstrand: jjohansen any of you can give me an insight on what this means? Warning from profile com.ubuntu.camera_camera_2.9.1.258 (/var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.camera_camera_2.9.1.258) signal rules not enforced
[19:36] <sergiusens> or why it is happening at all
[19:36] <cwayne_> plars, so however the ci dashboard is running the tests is different then, which would explain why phablet-test-run is working for me
[19:37] <plars> cwayne_: how are you running it? at this point it's not even getting to phablet-test-run
[19:37] <jjohansen> sergiusens: it means the userspace has been updated to a new version but the apparmor kernel module has not been yet
[19:37] <plars> but we are certainly using phablet-test-run in the ci scripts
[19:37] <jjohansen> sergiusens: the update of those patches, is in testing
[19:38] <cwayne_> plars, i just push it to /home/phablet/autopilot/custom and then run phablet-test-run custom
[19:38] <cwayne_> plars, but so maybe for the customization_tests we should run autopilot3 list?
[19:38] <plars> cwayne_: I think part of our issue here is the special handling of the customization tests needed by the fact that it doesn't work like the other packaged tests, nor like the click bzr installed tests
[19:38] <sergiusens> jjohansen: thanks, I guess it's just a matter of time; I'm giving the vanilla x86 emu a go and running into that
[19:39] <jjohansen> sergiusens: yep
[19:39] <plars> cwayne_: that should work just fine, do we know for sure that we don't have any other things that need python2 now?
[19:40] <cwayne_> plars, i know we don't need it for customization_tests but other than that i don't knoow
[19:43] <sergiusens> plars: unlock screen uses python2, gallery and a couple of community core app tests
[19:44] <cwayne_> plars, perhaps we just need to change discovery_cmd in tslist.auto?
[19:45] <plars> cwayne_: that's what I was shooting for, but I'm not sure that we're trading off customizations tests working for other things now failing
[19:46] <plars> I *think* it should be ok, I believe it's the only autopilot test out there that doesn't behave now
[19:46] <plars> so it's the only one that has to run as utah still
[19:46] <plars> cwayne_: of course the other option would be to make sure that the configparser import works in that testcase (if you get an exception on configparser, import ConfigParser instead)
[19:50] <cwayne_> plars, ah, we can do that I think
[19:52] <plars> cwayne_: ok, if you want to do it that way, go for it.  Otherwise, let me know, and to be safe I think I'll just make either an option for that autopilot-list script, or just make an autopilot3 version of it
[19:55] <cwayne_> plars, something like this? https://code.launchpad.net/~savilerow-team/savilerow/test-configparser/+merge/216623 seems to work for me
[19:55] <plars> cwayne_: +1
[20:13] <cwayne_> plars, so the test itself fails with python2, i think it makes more sense to just force 3 anyway
[20:13] <plars> cwayne_: right, but I thought autopilot or phablet-test-run would already do that
[20:15] <cwayne_> phablet-test-run does, but it looks like that's not how its run
[20:15] <cwayne_> it's run with autopilot run
[20:20] <plars> ah, right
[20:22] <plars> cwayne_: there's no click package that gets installed off of that where we could just hook that into phablet-click-test-setup to have it install the right stuff is there? That's the only reasons we need that extra setup to run like the utah tests, which is kinda silly since it's autopilot
[20:28] <cwayne_> plars, could we not just make test_cmd phablet-test-run {} instead of autopilot-test-run {}?
[20:30] <plars> cwayne_: nope
[20:30] <plars> cwayne_: I can work around it I think though
[21:05] <plars> cwayne_: hmm, so I tried adding a -3 flag for autopilot-list and autopilot-run to just run autopilot3 {everything} if you pass that to it
[21:05] <plars> cwayne_: unfortunately, running autopilot3 doesn't seem to work well on those tests. I get 15 failures, 3 pass
[21:06] <plars> and I never see anything actually running
[21:06] <plars> it unlocks the screen and pretty much just sits there
[21:06] <cwayne_> it doesn't drive any apps, so that's fine
[21:06] <plars> oh!
[21:06] <plars> this isn't a customized image
[21:06] <plars> I could have sworn I installed -custom
[21:06] <plars> let me try that :)
[21:07] <cwayne_> that'd be a start :)
[21:27] <plars> cwayne_: ok, much better: 18 passes, 0 failures
[21:27] <plars> cwayne_: I don't ever see anything happen on the screen though
[21:27] <plars> cwayne_: which I guess is expected... just weird
[21:27] <plars> since it's autopilot
[21:37] <cwayne_> plars, yeah, i guess it doesn't really need to be autopilot
[21:39] <plars> cwayne_: I pushed a MP a bit ago that should fix this
[21:41] <cwayne_> plars, just took a look, looks good to me
[21:55] <Jonii> Hello. For some reason my 3 and 4 finger touch gestures got disabled without me doing anything
[21:56] <Jonii> Ubuntu 12.4
[21:56] <Jonii> Any idea what could have caused something like this?
[21:59] <nhaines> Jonii: this is a place for developers to discuss working on Ubuntu on phones and tablets.
[21:59] <Jonii> Oh. Okay
[21:59] <nhaines> Jonii: if you need Ubuntu troubleshooting help, please try #ubuntu or askubuntu.com
[22:32] <korn> hi all
[22:57] <daker> dobey: i am getting : Unknown data technology :(
[22:58] <daker> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/plugins/cellular/PageComponent.qml#L48
[23:24] <daker> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7303092/
[23:47] <Thorondor> Hi, is there an example of an app developed in C++ with only the User Interface specified in QML?
[23:48] <Thorondor> I would like to have only the UI description in QML, and connect it to C++ objects for the rest of the tasks
[23:58] <RAOF> Thorondor: The authenticator app is primarily C++, IIRC.
[23:58] <RAOF> Thorondor: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/+junk/ubuntu-authenticator ; although I don't know if that's the canonical branch.