| cmaloney | blergh | 10:56 |
|---|---|---|
| cmaloney | I mean, good morning | 10:56 |
| rick_h_ | ugh sounds good to me | 11:20 |
| cmaloney | yeah, this is first day back since Pycon | 11:21 |
| cmaloney | and have exterminators coming in to see if there's anything in the traps | 11:22 |
| cmaloney | fun fun | 11:22 |
| rick_h_ | wheeee | 11:22 |
| rick_h_ | and GSoC day | 11:22 |
| cmaloney | Yeah | 11:22 |
| rick_h_ | going to be a lot of explainin to do | 11:22 |
| rick_h_ | nodeman is going to br crushed | 11:22 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, I know | 11:23 |
| mrgoodcat | You know who you got then? | 11:44 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we picked two and they weren't duped | 11:49 |
| rick_h_ | so unless someone backs out we should be set with our two | 11:49 |
| mrgoodcat | Duped? | 11:56 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: matches in multiple projects | 12:06 |
| mrgoodcat | Who did you get? Or should I wait for announce? | 12:08 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we're not allowed to say anything until the announcement | 12:09 |
| cmaloney | When is that supposed to happen? | 12:15 |
| brousch | I think today 3pm our time? | 12:17 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, it said noon, but wasn't sure what noon that was | 12:20 |
| brousch | I think all the other stuff has been pacific time | 12:22 |
| mrgoodcat | ~timezones~ | 12:29 |
| mrgoodcat | how was everybody's easter? | 12:36 |
| mrgoodcat | survive the families? | 12:36 |
| brousch | I got sun on my face | 12:37 |
| cmaloney | Easter was OK. Had the family over. | 12:38 |
| cmaloney | Ate too much and wanted to sleep midway through | 12:38 |
| brousch | Yeah, I felt awful from too much fatty food and candy last night. Rode the exercise bike this morning and am feeling much better | 12:39 |
| cmaloney | I stayed away from the candy. | 12:41 |
| cmaloney | The beer however was another story. :) | 12:41 |
| mrgoodcat | I did a pretty good job not eating too much bad stuff... | 12:42 |
| mrgoodcat | i went mountain biking early in the day so i felt pretty good around dinner time | 12:42 |
| cmaloney | "pretty good" only works with horseshoes, hand-grenades and Windows Programming. | 12:43 |
| mrgoodcat | lol windows programming | 12:44 |
| mrgoodcat | how do I POSIX | 12:44 |
| mrgoodcat | node takes FOREVER to build on a chromebook | 12:45 |
| mrgoodcat | I don't like waiting | 12:45 |
| cmaloney | Well, I don't think compiling software is part of Chromebook's core competencies. :) | 12:47 |
| cmaloney | to be fair. :) | 12:47 |
| brousch | It's Gentoo! | 12:52 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 12:57 |
| mrgoodcat | Anybody here use keybase? | 13:28 |
| mrgoodcat | actually, aside from keybase, does anybody here use gpg regularly? | 13:46 |
| cmaloney | I use it for password file encryption regularly | 13:46 |
| cmaloney | what's up? | 13:46 |
| mrgoodcat | other than encrypting things for my personal use (eg backups and such) I can't think of too many things I'd want to encrypt or sign | 13:46 |
| mrgoodcat | I'm trying to figure out what the use case is that would make this useful to me | 13:47 |
| mrgoodcat | I love the idea, but I'm not sure where it fits into my life | 13:47 |
| cmaloney | One use would be for sending sensitive documents (PDF) via email | 13:47 |
| cmaloney | rather than via fax or some other means. | 13:48 |
| cmaloney | (assuming encryption experience on the other end) | 13:48 |
| mrgoodcat | that's the part that is a pain | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | Another use would be fore ensuring that your mail hasn't been tampered with | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | (signing) | 13:49 |
| mrgoodcat | I would love to encrypt and sign messages, but it seems like it would almost never be worth the trouble on the other end | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | Depends on the audience | 13:49 |
| mrgoodcat | I don't want to inconvenience my boss, or coworkers, or a client for that matter | 13:49 |
| cmaloney | If it's a note to my mom asking her to pick up cat food for the cat while we're away then it's likely not worth the effort | 13:50 |
| mrgoodcat | haha | 13:50 |
| mrgoodcat | no not likely | 13:50 |
| mrgoodcat | especially since a GPG message would just be greek to my mom anyways | 13:50 |
| cmaloney | Signing is pretty transparent if it's not supported | 13:50 |
| cmaloney | encryption notsomuch. :) | 13:50 |
| mrgoodcat | signing i guess | 13:50 |
| mrgoodcat | I've seen signatures used in mailing lists quite a bit | 13:51 |
| mrgoodcat | but i've never once felt the need to verify a signature | 13:51 |
| cmaloney | yeah, I guess if you're paranoid that folks are taking your mail and messing with it signing makes sense | 13:51 |
| mrgoodcat | it seems like a tool for paranoid people | 13:52 |
| mrgoodcat | and making secure backupgs | 13:52 |
| cmaloney | but I've never felt the need and feel if someone will take me out of context they'll do so signed email or not. | 13:52 |
| mrgoodcat | wow spelling | 13:52 |
| cmaloney | well, the Snowden revelations are giving me pause. | 13:52 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_: seems like every time i log on to g+ I see a picture of your wine | 13:55 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: must mean you've got good timing :) | 13:55 |
| cmaloney | Or you have him in a Friends circle which I believe has precedence. | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | woot! I win! | 13:59 |
| brousch | strange. I never see his wine | 14:00 |
| cmaloney | brousch: You need to untick the "mute all posts from rick_h_ " box | 14:00 |
| brousch | Rick Harding Works at Morpace Inc Lives in Michigan | 14:01 |
| cmaloney | Old profile | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: heh yea, you need rharding@mitechie.com profile | 14:01 |
| brousch | I have both of them | 14:02 |
| brousch | weird | 14:02 |
| brousch | Maybe G+ is getting as bad as FB | 14:03 |
| brousch | I unfriended the morpace rick_h, and now I see wine | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | well there you go, guess your feed can only handle so much rick | 14:04 |
| brousch | Safety feature to keep it below a certain threshold of awesome | 14:05 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 14:06 |
| brousch | You all get rooms at the Blackwell for PyOhio? | 14:08 |
| mrgoodcat | why the blackwell? | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | easy walking distance to the union, others are there, and it's a really nice hotel with an omlette bar for breakfast | 14:10 |
| brousch | They always stay at the Blackwell, but rooms are short there this year | 14:10 |
| brousch | We'll be at the secondary hotel this year | 14:10 |
| mrgoodcat | I wasn't even planning on going? | 14:11 |
| mrgoodcat | any compelling reason i should? | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | it's an awesome small python conference | 14:11 |
| brousch | Varsity Inn South | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | good open spaces, smart folks, and it's free to attend | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | but I won't be there this year :( | 14:12 |
| brousch | wat? | 14:12 |
| mrgoodcat | the schedule is pretty sparse... http://www.pyohio.org/schedule/talks/list/ | 14:12 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/MRI4og - PyOhio | Accepted Talks | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | I have to travel for work that weekend | 14:12 |
| brousch | mrgoodcat: They are still in request for talks phase | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: call for proposals is ongoing now | 14:12 |
| mrgoodcat | got it | 14:12 |
| mrgoodcat | anywhere i can see proposals? or are they not public? | 14:12 |
| brousch | Not public | 14:12 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.pyvideo.org/category go to pyohio | 14:13 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/LOQIO2 - pyvideo.org - Categories | 14:13 |
| brousch | Though you could volunteer as a reviewer/selector. It was about 4 hours of work last year | 14:13 |
| brousch | Then fighting over talks was another 2 hour IRC meeting | 14:13 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: you can even see a few talks from me and brousch in there | 14:13 |
| mrgoodcat | cool :) | 14:13 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: have you done one? I thought you did one but am not recalling | 14:13 |
| mrgoodcat | so you're obviously pretty involved | 14:13 |
| mrgoodcat | how is attendance usually? | 14:14 |
| brousch | rick_h_: No. He is a slacker | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: and I went to the first one that was some 50 people in a library room | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: so we're fans. It helped me get into python | 14:14 |
| brousch | mrgoodcat: I want to say 275 | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: boooo. We'll have to make him go | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: mrgoodcat they were over 350 I thought last year? | 14:14 |
| brousch | Could be | 14:14 |
| mrgoodcat | wow | 14:14 |
| mrgoodcat | nice turnout | 14:14 |
| brousch | 302 last year | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | Attendee growth from 150 developers in 2010 to 350 in 2013. | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | per the sponsor prospectus | 14:15 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: A PyOhio talk? I've only volunteered | 14:15 |
| brousch | Hm, the email from Costlow says verified 302 | 14:15 |
| mrgoodcat | "in and around Ohio and the entire midwest" | 14:15 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: gotcha, I kept thinking you did some pygame something or other but mixing up mug/etc | 14:16 |
| mrgoodcat | what does that even mean? the conference isn't in a single location? | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I've convinced several of JoDee's friends to go | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: Yeah, I've only done Pygame talks at Penguicon and MUG | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | not at PyOhio | 14:16 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: It means the conference draws from many states, not just Ohio | 14:16 |
| mrgoodcat | got it | 14:16 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm having a hard time figuring out where this thing even is | 14:17 |
| mrgoodcat | columbus? | 14:17 |
| rick_h_ | yea, right on campus | 14:17 |
| brousch | Hm, I thought they said Varsity Inn south was walkable, but it's really far | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | < 1mi? | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | that's kind of my 'walkable' limit | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | after 1mi it's a hike | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | though cmaloney and I did some hiking for chicken in montreal lol | 14:18 |
| mrgoodcat | I walked 6mi from my hotel to dinner in Ft Lauderdale | 14:19 |
| rick_h_ | needs a big dinner for that one | 14:19 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 14:19 |
| mrgoodcat | actually dinner was really good | 14:19 |
| mrgoodcat | i was not disappointed | 14:19 |
| mrgoodcat | and a saw the bat yacht so that was cool | 14:19 |
| brousch | 1.7 miles | 14:20 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_ and I always manage some excursion to far-away lands on our trips. :) | 14:20 |
| brousch | I guess that's a 30 minute brisk walk | 14:21 |
| brousch | You get free parking if you're speaker, so I'm sure we'll be lazy | 14:22 |
| brousch | http://goo.gl/maps/YeMoj | 14:23 |
| bookiebot | Varsity Inn OSU South to Ohio Union- The Ohio State University - Google Maps | 14:23 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: you doing a talk this year? | 14:26 |
| brousch | Maybe' | 14:26 |
| brousch | Some pieces are coming together for a good follow-up talk to last year's | 14:27 |
| mrgoodcat | what was last years? | 14:27 |
| brousch | http://www.pyvideo.org/video/2259/kivy-creating-desktop-and-mobile-apps-with-pyth | 14:28 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/CIDMBH - pyvideo.org - Kivy - Creating Desktop and Mobile Apps with Python | 14:28 |
| brousch | 2 hour tutorial | 14:28 |
| brousch | One of the new projects I introduce at the end has matured well, and there's a project that makes it a lot easier to compile APKS now, and both of those projects have GSoC students this year | 14:30 |
| brousch | So they should improve quite a bit | 14:31 |
| mrgoodcat | cool :) | 14:33 |
| brousch | One of my goals with Kivy was to make Android apps on Android using Python so kids whose only computer is a tablet could do so. However there has been a noticable shift in the market from tablets in schools to Chromebooks, so I'm not as gung-ho for that | 14:35 |
| rick_h_ | the web will always win, eventually | 14:37 |
| brousch | That is a good thing | 14:38 |
| mrgoodcat | and development in web browsers has become pretty good actually | 14:39 |
| mrgoodcat | I was amazed how easy dev was on my chromebook | 14:39 |
| mrgoodcat | granted, i still put ubuntu on it | 14:39 |
| mrgoodcat | no web application can beat vim yet :) | 14:39 |
| brousch | You use a browser IDE? | 14:47 |
| mrgoodcat | i tried a few | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | they were.... | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | better than expected | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | but most of them are paid services that run your app on a low-spec VM | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | so since vim and localhost are free linux won that battle | 14:48 |
| mrgoodcat | some of them have heroku integration though. so you can deploy right from the web interface which is kinda cool | 14:49 |
| brousch | Yeah, that's what I found too | 15:00 |
| brousch | I've only done vim over ssh to a remote server so far | 15:01 |
| mrgoodcat | that's my preferred workflow | 15:03 |
| mrgoodcat | sometimes localhost | 15:03 |
| brousch | What's the next step up from Scratch? | 15:04 |
| mrgoodcat | snap? | 15:04 |
| mrgoodcat | it was originally a scratch mod with lambdas, first class data, procedures, recursion | 15:05 |
| mrgoodcat | but now it's been rewritten in javascript an they no longer consider themselves a scratch mod but rather a totally separate project | 15:05 |
| brousch | Good find! | 15:06 |
| mrgoodcat | http://snap.berkeley.edu/ | 15:06 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/s26Lr1 - SNAP! (Build Your Own Blocks) | 15:06 |
| brousch | That gets me through the next few years of teaching my son | 15:06 |
| mrgoodcat | after that i'd say the next step might be a real high level programming language | 15:06 |
| mrgoodcat | python, ruby, [insert easy programming language here] | 15:07 |
| brousch | right | 15:07 |
| brousch | Python | 15:07 |
| brousch | But that looks like a good in between | 15:07 |
| mrgoodcat | here is the original scratch mod http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Build_Your_Own_Blocks_(Scratch_Modification) | 15:08 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/KuEiok - Build Your Own Blocks (Scratch Modification) - Scratch Wiki | 15:08 |
| mrgoodcat | cool that it runs entirely in browser http://snap.berkeley.edu/snapsource/snap.html | 15:09 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/5u7UHn - Snap! Build Your Own Blocks. Beta | 15:09 |
| brousch | Yeah, with chromebooks doing it all in browser is important | 15:10 |
| brousch | Until kids are mature enough to use ssh and vim ;) | 15:11 |
| greg-g | brousch: start 'em on the command line first | 15:11 |
| mrgoodcat | that's a theory i've heard a lot | 15:11 |
| greg-g | who was it, one of the dads on planet debian did that | 15:11 |
| mrgoodcat | work from the bottom up | 15:12 |
| greg-g | it worked pretty well for him/his son | 15:12 |
| greg-g | john goerzen? | 15:12 |
| mrgoodcat | it's the same idea as learning c as a first programming language | 15:12 |
| greg-g | can't remember | 15:12 |
| brousch | I'd need to take away his chromebook | 15:12 |
| brousch | This would not go over well | 15:12 |
| mrgoodcat | chromebook does ssh | 15:12 |
| greg-g | yeah, once you go gui.... | 15:12 |
| mrgoodcat | ctrl+alt+t | 15:13 |
| rick_h_ | it takes you years to find your mistake and go back to no gui :P | 15:13 |
| mrgoodcat | ssh me@awesomeserver.com | 15:13 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: :) | 15:13 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: what model chromebook is it? | 15:14 |
| brousch | c720 | 15:14 |
| brousch | 4GB model | 15:14 |
| mrgoodcat | i have the c720. I've found it to be a pretty capable machine | 15:16 |
| mrgoodcat | i the c720P actually | 15:16 |
| brousch | Yeah, I like them | 15:19 |
| mrgoodcat | brousch: what is your goal? are you trying to teach him more about how the computer actually works or just to think like a programmer? | 15:24 |
| brousch | Programming right now. Scratch seems perfect. Once he has some scratch experience, we can work on the Rpi with it too | 15:25 |
| mrgoodcat | but more fundamentally than that, is it the logic structure? or the analytic skills? or something else? | 15:28 |
| mrgoodcat | there's some motivation behind it i assume? | 15:28 |
| brousch | I think it's an important skill to learn, and the schools do a rotten job of it | 15:29 |
| mrgoodcat | yea my school's programming class was a joke | 15:30 |
| mrgoodcat | HTML is not programming.... | 15:30 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: wait, WHAAAAT? | 15:30 |
| mrgoodcat | unfortunately, my parents weren't great with computers either | 15:30 |
| mrgoodcat | so i was pretty much all self taught until college | 15:31 |
| mrgoodcat | actually, i still consider myself mostly self taught | 15:31 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I taught myself computers as well up until high-school / college | 15:31 |
| mrgoodcat | most of what school did was point out the things i don't know so i could research them on my own later | 15:31 |
| cmaloney | and yes, I learned the fundamentals in school but my day-to-day stuff is mostly self-taught | 15:31 |
| mrgoodcat | even college did a pretty meh job of actually teaching | 15:32 |
| mrgoodcat | they never go in depth enough | 15:32 |
| cmaloney | Well, to be fair, I wasn't ready for a lot of things they tried to teach me | 15:33 |
| mrgoodcat | most of the alg/struct teaching consisted of "this thing A exists", "here is an implementation in Java of A", "Please memorize the time/space complexity of A", "on to thing B" | 15:33 |
| cmaloney | That's not teaching, that's asking you to memorize wikipedia | 15:33 |
| mrgoodcat | yerp | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | I hate that | 15:34 |
| mrgoodcat | even in my college classes i had to pretty much teach myself | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | Like memorizing hte periodic table | 15:34 |
| cmaloney | I challenge you to find a chemestry classroom that doesn't have a periodic table prominently displayed | 15:35 |
| brousch | In the end, you have to teach yourself | 15:35 |
| brousch | We cannot cram knowledge into brains yet | 15:35 |
| cmaloney | Well, and there's a difference between knowledge and trivia | 15:36 |
| cmaloney | knowing what an atomic number and how it relates to chemical process is knowledge | 15:36 |
| cmaloney | knowing the atomic number of Krypton is trivia | 15:37 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_: i made lastfm function ignore #bookie | 18:28 |
| mrgoodcat | sorry i know how spammy bots can become when you get carried away | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, I live in irc all day and am old school so hate the busyness sometimes | 18:29 |
| mrgoodcat | that's fine | 18:29 |
| mrgoodcat | any of the other functions you want ignored in #bookie? | 18:29 |
| cmaloney | .np | 18:29 |
| cmaloney | nuts | 18:30 |
| cmaloney | :) | 18:30 |
| mrgoodcat | cmaloney: you have to use your username | 18:30 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoh | 18:33 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 18:33 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's last track - Solsagan by Finntroll on Nifelvind [21 Apr 2014, 17:56] | 18:33 |
| cmaloney | Oh, nice .:) | 18:33 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_ didn't like that function in #bookie | 18:33 |
| mrgoodcat | i think he's trying to keep botspam down | 18:33 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_ is a fuddy-duddy. :) | 18:33 |
| mrgoodcat | i just made that function ignore #bookie | 18:33 |
| cmaloney | (Yeah, that can get a little annoying) | 18:33 |
| mrgoodcat | i do realize i've gotten a little carried away with adding functionality too | 18:34 |
| mrgoodcat | esp. since most is useless really | 18:34 |
| mrgoodcat | the lastfm app scrobbles the google music app, which apparently is used for android sounds | 18:37 |
| mrgoodcat | so i get my notifications in my scrobble list | 18:37 |
| mrgoodcat | sometimes... apparently not all the time | 18:38 |
| mrgoodcat | i just left like 20 channels on 3 servers. my channel list was getting too long | 18:44 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_: you should see the WMU computer club channel. i think we might have more bots than humans | 18:46 |
| mrgoodcat | top artist of all time on last.fm is coldplay.... wat? | 18:57 |
| cmaloney | Wee | 19:34 |
| cmaloney | Apparently we got two rodents | 19:35 |
| cmaloney | and one of them was further along down the decomposition path than the other one | 19:35 |
| brousch | lovely | 19:38 |
| brousch | For a second I thought you were talking about the gsoc students | 19:38 |
| cmaloney | har har | 19:39 |
| brousch | I feel bad for rejected gsoc students | 19:59 |
| cmaloney | me too | 20:03 |
| cmaloney | I'm in conversation with one at the moment who feels like we lead him on | 20:03 |
| brousch | We have a butthurt one in #kivy too | 20:06 |
| brousch | Is there a nicer word for butthurt? | 20:06 |
| brousch | I know greg-g will not approve of that | 20:07 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 20:10 |
| mrgoodcat | aggravated? | 20:10 |
| brousch | disgruntled maybe | 20:10 |
| brousch | I'll go with disgruntled | 20:10 |
| mrgoodcat | it makes sense that some people will be upset | 20:10 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, and it's hard | 20:22 |
| cmaloney | we had several folks put in some serious efort | 20:22 |
| cmaloney | And under different circumstances they'd be celebrating tonight | 20:22 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's just darn tough. | 20:26 |
| rick_h_ | you try to be supportive but they think you've milked them for their time | 20:27 |
| rick_h_ | one guy in #gsoc was pissed and ranted against OSS and rage quit | 20:27 |
| brousch | just one? | 20:28 |
| brousch | Hm, yeah, that has to be a crazy channel today | 20:28 |
| rick_h_ | well one I saw | 20:28 |
| rick_h_ | One guy I think quit but he's quiet and so he just left | 20:28 |
| rick_h_ | the other wanted to know what place he was in, who was ahead of him, and wants to compare commits and such | 20:29 |
| brousch | Your selection was highly competitive just because of the number of proposals and slots | 20:29 |
| brousch | We rejected half of our proposals | 20:30 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I'd say half of ours were no go at all | 20:30 |
| brousch | We had 4 slots for 6 proposals | 20:30 |
| rick_h_ | but the other half were all usable | 20:30 |
| rick_h_ | you had 6 proposals? | 20:30 |
| cmaloney | yeah, and had we had 5-6 slots we'd have easily filled them. | 20:30 |
| rick_h_ | wow | 20:30 |
| brousch | So we accepted 3 and gave back 1 slot | 20:30 |
| rick_h_ | wow, ok I feel crazy now | 20:31 |
| cmaloney | Had we had another mentor we would have easily filled another slot | 20:31 |
| brousch | It is totally crazy | 20:31 |
| cmaloney | Wonder if being under teh PSF was not the best move | 20:31 |
| brousch | It was an extra hoop for students to jump through | 20:33 |
| brousch | the PSF gave back 3 slots to the pool, I think | 20:34 |
| mrgoodcat | Lots of people quit #bookie | 23:15 |
| greg-g | awwww | 23:16 |
| mrgoodcat | I get a join part quit synopsis in my client | 23:19 |
| mrgoodcat | 9 quit 1 joined then quit | 23:22 |
| mrgoodcat | Most names I didn't recognize though | 23:23 |
| cmaloney | mrgoodcat: I think that's to be expected | 23:26 |
| mrgoodcat | Yea but still would have been nice to see them stay. Maybe now that rick_h_ won't be as swamped I'll try to get into some bookie code | 23:27 |
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