[01:09] <bluesabre> knome: got some fixes for you to verify :)
[01:09] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7295830/
[01:09] <bluesabre> waiting for the packages to publish https://code.launchpad.net/~menulibre-dev/+archive/daily
[01:09] <knome> mhm
[01:10] <knome> nice
[01:10] <knome> what kind of markup is that?
[01:11] <bluesabre> dunno, I think thats modeled after PHP or mysql's NEWS file
[01:11]  * bluesabre likes to mix it up
[01:11] <knome> aha :P
[01:12] <bluesabre> aaaaand they're published
[01:16] <knome> yep, can confirm all bugs i've reported are fixed
[01:16] <knome> you still have a few to go though ;)
[01:17] <bluesabre> yeah, good to know they're golden now
[01:18] <knome> especially like the "remember collapsed/expanded" state fix
[02:33] <bluesabre> Logan_, things have been quiet recently, would you be interested in doing a merge?
[02:33] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/parole/gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio/+merge/216565
[02:34] <bluesabre> knome: you can also approve the above if you'd like.  :-)
[02:34] <Logan_> what's the deal with the archive right now? I've been kinda busy
[02:35] <knome> bluesabre, we need an SRU bug afaik
[02:35] <bluesabre> ah
[02:35]  * bluesabre goes to learn
[02:35] <knome> bluesabre, here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[02:35] <bluesabre> is the archive currently locked, or has it reopened?
[02:35] <knome> bluesabre, ask -release
[02:35] <bluesabre> ok
[02:35] <Logan_> "Archive: Limbo"
[02:38] <bluesabre> ok, that makes bug fixes less fun, will work on that now
[02:49] <bluesabre> knome: look good? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7296223/
[02:49] <knome> "...so this can future users as well." ????
[02:49] <knome> yeah, looks good
[02:49] <bluesabre> yeah, added "help" in there
[02:50] <knome> i would think it's a no-brainer really
[02:50] <bluesabre> yeah
[02:51] <knome> we're going to have fun with filing all of those SRU bugs
[02:51] <knome> and the SRU team is going to love us
[02:51] <knome> and by 2017, it has escalated to the ultimate world peace
[02:51] <knome> and cars run on fart
[02:54] <knome> right, i'm off to bed
[02:54] <knome> have fun and see you later
[02:58] <bluesabre> lol
[02:58] <bluesabre> night knome
[03:23] <bluesabre> knome: if you'd like to follow up with this, that would be *awesome* ;) https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728626
[09:16] <starrats> Just let you know,after a week of no problems at start-up my cursor froze again this morning.  
[09:28] <ochosi> hey brainwash 
[09:28] <brainwash> good morning ochosi 
[09:29] <ochosi> we have a new patch to try for testing, in case you have some time: https://github.com/EricKoegel/xfce4-power-manager/tree/lid-lock
[09:29] <ochosi> (ran into some troubles when i tried last night, but that could also be because i was dead-tired and didn't look closely what i was doing)
[09:31] <brainwash> I know
[09:31] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[09:31] <brainwash> not sure if elfy already tested it
[09:31] <ochosi> are you watching that repo? :)
[09:32] <brainwash> no
[09:32] <brainwash> I got informed :P
[09:32] <ochosi> or did eric ping you about it
[09:32] <ochosi> ah good
[09:32] <brainwash> the guy over at #xubuntu already tested it
[09:32] <brainwash> but he has some general lid close problem
[09:33] <brainwash> even when closing the lid while the greeter screen is active
[09:33] <ochosi> right
[09:33] <brainwash> no light-locker or xfpm involved :/
[09:35] <brainwash> and I don't understand how the new patch resolves the issue
[09:39] <ochosi> frankly with all the places in which xfpm interacts with lid, suspend and lock i'm not sure i have any idea how a patch could reasonably work
[10:22] <elfy> elfy didn't test anything 
[10:34] <bluesabre> so much backlash over light-locker
[10:34]  * ochosi shrugs
[10:35] <ochosi> that's how it is if you switch default software
[10:35] <ochosi> always lots of moaning and shouting going along
[10:35] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:35] <elfy> morning bluesabre ochosi 
[10:35] <bluesabre> Logan_: "<infinity> bluesabre: Get someone to upload it, much easier to review in the queue."
[10:35] <ochosi> just imagine if we decided to ship libreoffice
[10:35] <bluesabre> could you upload it it trusty-proposed?
[10:35] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/ubuntu/trusty/parole/gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio/+merge/216565
[10:36] <bluesabre> otherwise I'll go bug dholbach :)
[10:36] <elfy> ochosi: the sky would fall in I suspect :)
[10:36] <bluesabre> maybe... except I think there may be 0.00000001% of our users that like abiword
[10:37] <elfy> but THEY will be the loud ones :p
[10:37] <bluesabre> :D
[10:37] <elfy> doesn't really matter what we do - someone will not like it 
[10:38] <ochosi> thing is, ppl will get upset about the image-size exploding
[10:38] <ochosi> and those that don't want/need an office-suit will shout about that surely
[10:38] <elfy> there is that
[10:38] <ochosi> that's the compromise in shipping abiword imo
[10:38] <bluesabre> indeed
[10:40] <elfy> personally I'm happy to just install the bits of libreoffice I actually use and not the whole thing and to do so when I want to 
[10:47] <elfy> bluesabre: in a perfect world we not need to do it at all :D
[10:47] <bluesabre> :)
[10:48]  * elfy has thunar not perm deleting with shift+delete atm
[10:48] <bluesabre> fun
[10:49] <elfy> awesome - I has an income tax refund of £660
[10:49] <bluesabre> congrats
[10:49] <bluesabre> we had a refund this year of $6
[10:50] <elfy> considering I don't earn enough to pay any in the first place - I'll delete that e-mail then :p
[10:50] <bluesabre> oh lol
[10:54] <bluesabre> gotta run, be back way later
[10:54] <elfy> have a good one :)
[11:04] <knome> ochosi, oh btw, did you see the new alignment stuff already?
[14:09] <olbi> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY2OTI, why there wasn't any ppl from Xfce Team? :-(
[14:28] <damiank> hi
[14:28] <damiank> one question
[14:28] <damiank> i saw somewhere that reducing swappiness from default 60 to 10 the disk would be read less and i would have more speed
[14:28] <damiank> is that true?
[14:28] <damiank> because i tried it and i dont see any changes really
[14:28] <damiank> actually, the pc seems slower...
[14:29] <elfy> you know this isn't a support channel :)
[14:29] <damiank> sorry elfy...
[14:29] <elfy> #xubuntu is the support channel :)
[14:29] <damiank> i'll ask there
[14:30] <damiank> i installed 14.04b2 with no issues
[14:30] <damiank> so good work you all!
[14:31] <elfy> thanks on behalf of us :)
[14:31] <damiank> :)
[14:31] <damiank> i was a bit out due to having a new job, but anyway i wanted to let you know its working great here on my 2 pcs
[14:31] <elfy> nice 
[14:32] <damiank> yeah
[14:32] <damiank> i didnt upgrade, i just formatted and did full install
[14:32] <damiank> i think its better
[14:33] <elfy> did both here - a lot of times 
[14:33] <Logan_> bluesabre: where did he say that?
[14:36] <amigamagic> is there some gtk expert here?
[14:41] <amigamagic> basically, in the tasklist plugin on the xfce panel, I would like to move the position of the icon labels... In the source code I'm able to change the text, but I'm not able to move it (for example to make it more close to the icon itself).
[14:42] <Logan_> amigamagic: irc://irc.gnome.org/#gtk+
[14:45] <amigamagic> Logan_, thanks
[16:14] <amigamagic> hey guys, I'm modding the tasklist plugin to make some visual feedback of grouped icons when you use the "always" option to group them.
[16:15] <amigamagic> So far this is what I achieved: http://oi60.tinypic.com/2jaf9yw.jpg
[16:23] <jhenke> hi everybody
[16:24] <amigamagic> hi
[16:25] <elfy> evening both
[16:36] <amigamagic> Some opinions on my example screenshot of the grouped icons visual feedback?
[16:41] <GridCube> amigamagic, it looks interesting, but i think i would like the numbers to be in the exact oposite position, up to the top left if you have your desktop set up in an occidental language and up to the top right if you have an oriental language, because thats the order you read
[16:47] <amigamagic> GridCube, I think it should not be too difficult to place that number in another position. I placed it there because usually the labels are placed to the right of the icons.
[16:48] <GridCube> true, im just saying what i would like personally
[16:49] <amigamagic> ok, thanks for your feedback :)
[17:08] <starrats> think I'm going to have to file a bug report concerning the 'frozen cursor' I'm having again, after a week of non-reezing of it.
[17:16] <starrats> tried to report a bug on term with ubuntu-bug and get sent to a page/link that I don't understand what you folks want me or others to do!
[17:20] <amigamagic> starrats, maybe you should try on the main xubuntu channel for generic support or bug reporting
[17:22] <starrats> thanks didn't know it jumped frfom 13.10 to 14.04
[17:22] <knome> amigamagic, if you want relevant feedback on your patch, you could try asking the people who actually use grouping to begin with in -devel and/or -users lists
[17:25] <amigamagic> knome, what those -devel / -users list are?
[17:26] <knome> !xubuntu-devel
[17:26] <knome> and the same url but replace -devel with -users
[17:28] <amigamagic> ah, so you mean mailing-list... I haven't used them from much time... Maybe I should give it a try...
[17:30] <elfy> amigamagic: it's going to be more useful that asking in here now and again
[17:32] <amigamagic> ok elfy and knome... btw, do you use grouping?
[17:32] <elfy> nope - don't use the plugin either ;)
[17:33] <knome> i don't, which is why i said youd get more elevant information on the lists
[17:34] <amigamagic> ok, thanks for the info
[18:10] <pleia2> knome: there is a bit too much white space on the right hand side of the page for US Letter versions, makes folding off
[18:10] <knome> pleia2, i noticed the same thing.
[18:11] <knome> pleia2, there shouldn't.
[18:11] <pleia2> yeah, the image doesn't show it
[18:11] <knome> did you make sure the zoom is 100%?
[18:11] <pleia2> yeah, it looks good on the screen
[18:11] <knome> i mean, the pdf might be resized to fit the page
[18:11] <pleia2> it's 100%
[18:11] <knome> well i don't know.
[18:11] <knome> it should be good.
[18:12] <knome> i'll look again later today
[18:12]  * pleia2 nods
[18:12] <pleia2> also, my printer works :D
[18:12] <knome> cool
[18:12] <knome> will you be around later then?
[18:13] <pleia2> working, but generally should be
[18:14] <knome> oki
[18:52] <Unit193> knome: Once you get http://paste.ubuntu.com/7294292/ type bt
[18:54] <amigamagic> knome, can I send the mail to more than one mailing list at once? (-users and -devel lists)
[18:54] <amigamagic> and if I can... You suggest me to do so?
[18:54] <knome> amigamagic, you can, but i'd probably do two different mails.
[18:55] <amigamagic> ok, thanks
[19:17] <damiank> elfy are you here?
[19:21] <elfy> yea
[19:21] <damiank> it seems updating fixed the problem
[19:21] <damiank> regarding memory
[19:21] <damiank> so i had an old beta :)
[19:21] <elfy> k
[19:22] <damiank> sorry for asking before updating ;)
[19:22] <elfy> s'ok :)
[19:22] <damiank> i've been using it for about 1hr and swap never goes more than 5%
[19:22] <damiank> before i had 40%
[19:23] <damiank> the beta i had was downloaded one week ago, so you're fast fixing stuff ;)
[19:23] <damiank> i mean the devs
[19:23] <elfy> :)
[19:24] <damiank> i opened a lot of stuff to test, and it works great
[19:25] <elfy> I'm glad you like it 
[19:25] <damiank> yeah, i always liked xubuntu, but its getting better with each release
[19:26] <damiank> i was afraid of updating from 12.04 but i think its worth it
[19:26] <damiank> the new release works great
[19:26] <damiank> now
[19:26] <elfy> I've only used it constantly for a few years myself - would agree it gets better release by release :)
[19:30] <damiank> so do you have experience with android and xubuntu? id like to know if its possible to use my galaxy with it? should i ask in the other channel?
[19:30] <elfy> no idea at all 
[19:30] <damiank> ok
[19:35] <damiank> no worries
[19:35] <damiank> i'm searching google...
[19:43] <damiank> i have to go now i'll be back later
[19:43] <ochosi> knome: alignment stuff on x.org?
[19:43] <ochosi> or where
[19:53] <elfy> ochosi: possibly http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/2014/04/18/image-alignment-testing-post/
[19:54] <ochosi> yup, knome pinged me about it elsewhere with the link
[19:54] <ochosi> thanks though
[21:11] <ochosi> amigamagic: you're the one who sent an email to the dev mailinglist about the tasklist plugin today, right?
[22:02] <amigamagic> ochosi, yes