[00:17] can not seem to get the desktop background to change and the right click menu not showing [00:17] after reboot [00:32] llo [00:32] hello [00:32] am at my parents house [00:32] installed xubuntu 14.04, there's a TON of problems with it [00:33] mouse wheel in titlebars don't shade window [00:33] desktop properties hangs [00:33] closing the laptop lid leaves the system with a blank screen, completely unusable and no way to recover other than reboot [00:34] xfce-settings is not in the upper left menu [00:34] ncurses boxes that apt-get pops up cannot be closed [00:35] anyway i managed to ssh to my home and connect to this irc client.... :/ [00:36] THIS RELEASE IS JUNK [00:36] delt, please calm down. [00:36] sorry but it's kind of true :/ [00:36] delt, if you read the release notes you would have known there are some known issues [00:36] for the rest, i can't say much than that you should file bugs [00:37] well, i just found some more. [00:37] *sigh* will try again next time i come here.... maybe with linux mint or something. [00:37] good luck. [00:38] personally for me i don't need user-friendly, but my parents aren't net admins or programmers [00:38] anyway be back later from my home. [00:46] if I could get iphone to sync i would totally install xubuntu or any linux os to my system instead of running off usb [00:47] it seems that linux os can not sync iphones [00:47] i have tried a whole bunch i have so many live cds [00:49] nonya, have you tried installing the libimobiledevice package? [00:49] i know nothing of syncing any "i"device, but that should do it [00:50] i have the device when i hook it up show in gigalo file manager also it showes up in network [00:51] and on desktop [00:52] but does not show up in rythmnbox [00:52] i don't know if rhythmbox is supposed to support those devices [00:54] really really really congrat, i'm an italian #ubuntu-it operator, i installed ubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu,lubuntu, and i thing that with 14.04, xubuntu is the one with greater feel and the best in 360° [00:54] krabador, thanks, and enjoy [00:54] actully Xubuntu is the only os atleast it shows up [00:55] unity and kde, not too much updates, and i found some bugs, lubuntu it's almost the same, but xubutu became really great [00:56] i do have libimobiledevice4 installed [00:56] ubuntugnome it's properly the same [00:56] it was installed at system install [00:57] nonya, do you have a very recent iphone model? [00:57] the only thing is the wireless drivers where not installed but i did that later [00:58] I have an Iphone 4 am geting the 4s tomorrow [01:01] so which multimedia program supports the Iphones it does ipods and ipads? [01:02] no idea. [01:02] i installed Itunes in wine no dice and syncios no dice cant seem to see device [01:02] I really like this Xubuntu 14.04 [01:04] i would look further into libimobiledevice, it looks like it should in some way be able to connect [01:04] at least it would be a step forward if you could see any of the music/files any way [01:05] if you can do that, but it doesn't show up in rhythmbox... maybe there's something wrong with it then [01:05] i am installing from synaptic all the idevice and libimobiledevice and python packs maybe that will work [01:06] just installed going to reboot and see out come will BrB [01:16] well noada with all that i try so far [01:24] knome, trying some more things like banshee and amarok [01:25] nonya, good luck [01:27] when i find it the whole world will know and i will keep the data for others to use [01:29] also i will install Xubuntu on system hard drive as it will run faster then off the usb and do away with windoz [01:31] Ya i could run windoz on Vm but that is defeating the pupose of leaving it in the dust to go away for ever [01:33] Gates and all those venders need to stop soaking people and making billons on the necks of poor folks [01:37] Linux does wonderful to folks who cant afford the extravagant prices for software i appreciate the work of the developers and volunteers whom make it possible [01:37] nonya, please note that this is the support channel, you can discuss open software and such in #xubuntu-offtopic [01:37] ok sorry about that wont happen again [01:38] no problem [01:41] is there a way to copy this usb to the hard drive with out total reinstall to hardrive [01:43] like xp had casper program which copied hardrive to another hardrive [02:24] I've installed Xubuntu on an old intel d845pebt2 motherboard system. When I suspend (s3) and resume, it seems that my session isn't saved properly, and I resume from the login screen. All screen lock options are disabled, so it should resume right to the desktop. Does anyone have any clues as to why I'm having this problem? [02:27] nova_, the lock screen looks the same as the login screen. does the button say "unlock" or "log in" ? [02:27] unlock [02:27] ah, right, all lock options are disabled [02:28] i guess you could just remove light-locker if you don't want locking... [02:28] i had this problem before also, with 13.10, then updated to 14.04 and it continued. So I tried a clean install to make sure it wasnt somethign i misconfigured [02:28] oh. do you mean the options in light locker to either lock or not lock on suspend are disabled and not functional? [02:29] they should be functional, but if they aren't, you can at least just remove light-locker [02:29] i've heard that bug before though, but i'm not sure if it's filed [02:29] the funny thing is when i went from 13.10 to 14.04, I had power manager, xscreensaver, and light locker all disabled at one point and it still did it [02:29] not disabled..i mean removed entirely [02:29] hmm. [02:30] and it still persisted [02:30] even after reboot? [02:30] yes [02:30] ill try removing light-loocker again [02:30] and rebooting [02:31] i asked in xubuntu-devel the other day and someone said it sounded like the session was crashing or something to that effect [02:31] aha, then it might be you who i remember talking about it ;) [02:31] did you file a bug for that then? [02:33] no not yet. Still not sure if it's a bug. I'm not sure what it is exactly [02:33] file it, it's easier to mark it as invalid that start filing it again later [02:33] still not even sure if its a screen lock or a login screen cause yeah they look identical to me [02:34] well the point is to make them look identical :) [02:34] yeah and i like that idea [02:35] should i purge light-locker or is removing it sufficient [02:36] well if you don't mind losing all of your settings (i guess you don't mind if you don't want locking anyway), doing a purge won't hurt [02:36] yeah the settings dont seem to matter much atm : P [02:36] ok brb ty sir [02:41] knome: thank you that seemed to work [02:41] nova_, great [02:41] that was beginning to drive me nuts [02:41] nova_, anyway, if you'd like to help... file a bug describing your situation before the purge [02:41] ok [02:42] I was also getting alot of apport whoopsie spam before with 13.10...I'm hoping thats quieted down [02:42] got it got the songs from iphone 4 playing now in clementine now yehaw [02:42] let's hope so :) [02:43] I have to say apport is really really unhelpful for the end user [02:43] that is one step closer now on to the photos [02:43] nova_, it's helpful for the developers though, and it shouldn't spawn too often after releases are out [02:44] knome, I got it going now [02:44] yeah...but just a little bit of info for me to try to look into the problem would be helpful. [02:44] nova_, good luck in creating an AI that understands your problem [02:44] lol true [02:44] nova_, might as well make it fix it for you while you do that ;) [02:44] so... yeah [02:45] humans are still needed [02:45] but something hinting at what triggered apport to raise alarm I mean [02:45] mmh [02:46] knome, gona try for the photos and video now [02:46] nonya_, good luck [02:46] i'm off to bed soon [02:46] thank you again knome..have a goodnight [02:47] I will let you know tomorrow thanks for the Help [02:47] no problem [02:47] God bless gN [03:18] My son uninstalled Win Xp and installed xubuntu, the he changed the root pwd and his own pwd wouldn't work any longer. He has tried to completely start over but says he still can't get his own pwd to work. Is he not reformatting the hd correctly or something? Help! Thanks in advance! [03:45] hi [03:46] hi [03:47] i just installed 14.04 and having some problems with nvidia driver [03:49] isorry, i am a total novice @ LINUX & CAME HERE TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER FOR CHILD'S LINUX ISSUE(S)/ gOOD LUCK! [03:49] i tried current driver from software center, driver suggested by system update, and nvidia-current by terminal and when restart always the same... a black screen [03:49] btw, sorry about the CAPS [03:49] quit [03:49] np [03:49] exit [03:50] and i don't even know how to exit gracefully... talk about a learning curve! [03:51] try with the X at top right corner of window [03:51] got it! good luck! [03:59] anyone know where the battery monitor plugin looks for its icon? i'm trying to swap out a new icon for it but can't seem to find its source. [04:02] hey all [04:03] how can i upgrade to 14.04? apt-get tells me that everything is at the latest vesrion [04:06] Hi [04:06] I have any issue with Xubuntu 14.04 can someone assist me [04:06] an [04:06] xubuntu688, go ahead with your question. [04:07] I have an intel graphics card in my laptop and uptil now the use of TearFree option in xorg.conf has been working fine work tear free video [04:08] in xubuntu 14.04 this option works fine for video but produces weard disply issues with the actual 2D windows [04:09] so the redrawing of multiple widnows on screen some times leaves half windows transparent or not displayed [04:09] when I switch between workspaces then it corrects itself [04:25] Hello [04:25] I recently installed xubuntu 14.04 to my laptop, a lenovo thinkpad [04:27] I am having an issue where closing the laptop and opening it back up again causes the laptop screen to be very dim and after I log in, I only get a black screen [04:27] Can you help me? [04:29] Hello? [04:30] <`Fibz> i wonder if this would help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021/comments/5 [04:30] Launchpad bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Debian) "[SRU] xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Unknown,New] [04:30] <`Fibz> @ xubuntu113 [04:31] Thank you. I will try that out [04:35] Its says I have insufficient permissions even under root [04:36] I cannot change that line of text [04:36] Cannot install Xubuntu 14.04 due to PAE boot error? [04:36] Anyone offer insight as to what can be done with this? [04:37] I have installed it, its just that once I close my laptop lid and try to log in again, the screen blacks out. I can log back out and log in as a guest but not with my usual account [05:19] Has anybody got light locker to work nice with two monitors? [05:37] please support me. i cant post this on askubuntu. so ive come here to answer. how can i fix this? http://kajair.uboxi.com/theme.jpg [05:38] ? [05:40] <`Fibz> page doesnt load [05:40] can you tell me an upload center to upload my screenshot image? [05:41] http://i57.tinypic.com/5cy3dd.jpg [05:41] ok here [05:43] picpaste is a good one to use to upload a screenshot to kajair. [05:44] http://picpaste.com/theme-5BXy2xVd.jpg [05:46] ? [05:48] wont you answer me? [05:48] !here | kajair [05:48] kajair: Please give at least an overview of your problem *here* (all in one line) - you will get a much greater audience. If you have to use more than 3 lines, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com [05:49] ok. my theme is corrupted randomly (without doing anything). some icons are having white background. http://picpaste.com/theme-5BXy2xVd.jpg this is screenshot. tell me how to fix? [05:50] try another theme; same outcome? [05:51] yes. all styles and icons are having same result [05:51] every single one? [05:52] yes.all [05:52] how many tried [05:52] i said all themes [05:52] 7 8 [05:52] from where [05:53] all settings > appearance > style + all settings > appearance > icon [05:55] wait i restart again. [05:55] bye [05:55] <`Fibz> k [05:57] it has been fixed by third restart! [06:04] <`Fibz> now that i think about it, i had that problem on this system [06:06] <`Fibz> happened after launching a full screen application for the first time, garbled all my mouse pointers first, then icons started corrupting. restart fixed it, hasnt happened again since [07:19] hello [08:29] btw, anyone knows why xubuntu does not have gksu installed by default anymore? [08:33] nikolam, not sure. but i just noticed that [08:33] http://askubuntu.com/questions/284306/why-is-gksu-no-longer-installed-by-default [09:18] ok, so i installed & tested xubuntu on my parents laptop yesterday... same problem with screen turning off when closing the lid, and no way to turn it back on. [09:18] Except to either reboot, or run "xrandr --auto" from another machine. [09:19] delt, either disable locker settings in the settings menu or uninstall xscreensaver. [09:19] Meerkat: neither of those fixes worked, on my laptop or theirs. [09:19] delt, did you click apply after disabling the locker settings? [09:19] btw xscreensaver was replaced by lightlocker.. no idea why [09:20] i personally liked xscreensaver better than lightlocker [09:20] Meerkat: the screen TURNS OFF, doesn't just go blank. [09:21] do you mean that the computer goes into sleep/hibernate? Because that is also an issue, although separate from lightlocker. [09:22] in some circumstances it did... but even if it didn't, the screen still turned off with no way to turn it back on. [09:22] the machine was still running, ie. pressing caps lock still toggled the led [09:22] and so on. [09:23] and of course if i could telnet to it from another machine, it wasn't in sleep mode. [09:23] there were several other problems as well [09:24] the desktop settings crashed if you ran it from right clicking on the desktop.. seemed to be running fine from the settings menu [09:24] s/crashed/froze/ [09:25] delt, are the power settings set up as you want them? [09:25] ie. window completely unresponsive, try to close it and xfce asks if you want to kill the process after a few seconds. [09:25] Meerkat: i want closing/opening the lid to do nothing. i was unable to achieve that. [09:26] anyway i'm back home so i can test further on my own laptop [09:27] which exhibits (most of) the same problems. [09:27] delt, bug 1307545 is that it? [09:27] bug 1307545 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Power Manager settings are ignored when closing laptop lid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1307545 [09:29] Meerkat: seems to be similar, but in my case it renders the machine completely unusable. Even trying to switch vt's doesn't work. [09:29] HandlePowerKey, HandleSuspendey, HandleHibernateKey, HanderLidKey all need to be set to ignore and uncommented (remove the #). Then reboot for it to take affect. [09:30] wait, i want to handle the power button to turn off the laptop [09:30] delt: why not just switch back to xscreensaver if you prefer it? [09:30] ochosi: i did. it didn't fix the problem. [09:30] oh, so you're having a differenz issue, i was mostly reading about the blank/black screen after lid-close [09:31] delt, could you check lightlocker settings to see if it really is turned off? [09:31] ochosi: as soon as i close the lid, the screen turns off completely, and there's no way to turn it back on other than rebooting or resetting it from another machine. [09:31] Meerkat: tomorrow i'll install a small xubuntu 14.04 partition on my laptop. [09:31] so i can help debug this. [09:32] delt: yes, that's a known issue with light-locker that we're trying to fix [09:32] Running ./ccg_client mtg.xml [09:32] ./ccg_client: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_net-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [09:32] ochosi: so, other people are having this same issue? [09:32] delt: yes, that's what "known issue" means ;) [09:32] why not just keep xscreensaver? light-locker is garbage. [09:34] ochosi: but from the live-cd session, i did have the same problem after removing light-locker and installing xscreensaver... iirc [09:36] btw does anyone know if ubutnu studio have the same problem? [09:36] s/have/has/ [09:36] delt, bug 1259339 might be the one. [09:37] bug 1259339 in xfce4-power-manager "Xfce4 Power Manager does not restore screen power" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259339 [09:38] could be... [09:38] delt: i hope you don't expect replies to not very informed and derogatory statements like "software X is garbage". [09:38] and yeah, that issue Meerkat mentioned is the one i was thinking of, but nvm, you're obviously having a different set of problems [09:38] ochosi: ok then, i personally dislike light-locker. [09:39] yeah, as i said, feel free not to use it [09:39] ochosi, so what is the reason light-locker "replaced" xscreensaver? [09:39] yeah, would also like to know [09:40] we have an article prepared for that on xubuntu.org, but it hasn't been published yet [09:41] it'll hopefully answer that question in a satisfying manner [09:41] don't wanna just repeat those arguments [09:41] should be published this week [09:41] ok, can't wait to see it [09:42] the week just started! :p [09:46] anyway, i have a spare partition on my laptop. i'll use it to test this issue, and make sure if it does in fact still happen with xscreensaver [09:48] Hey there! Can't start Live-session (only shell) - azx_get_response timeout... Who knows advice? [09:51] Hello world!Please help to install Xubuntu.I have 2 x 500 GB and partition. [09:51] No Windows, messed up Xubuntu 13.10, upgraded to 14.04 - same mess :( want to completely restore system freshly (including grub) [09:52] how best? === mpx is now known as mpxii [10:03] Hey there! Can't start Live-session (only shell) - azx_get_response timeout on HP Pavilion [10:14] On Xubuntu 14.04 I have an issue on my ThinkPad when running the "proprietary,tested" 331.38 nvidia driver. My screen sometimes locks up but when I do ctrl+alt+f6 (switch to tty6) and then back to 7 it's no longer hung. No idea why this is happening or why switching like that helps, any ideas on what I can do to troubleshoot and/or file bugs? Should I try a newer driver from nvidias webpage? [10:19] notwist, it needs to be reported as a bug, with description, so Nvida could be noted and fix if it is problem with driver [10:19] if you don't report it... [10:22] nikolam: where do I file the bug though? since its a proprietary driver I mean [10:23] also I'd like to know what kind of info I could attach to make the bug report better [10:23] notwist: in a terminal ubuntu-bug nvidia [10:23] it will add all the information it wants [10:27] I get "package nvidia doesn't exist", is it because I switched back to the open source driver? [10:27] ill try switching back [10:29] got the same error but it worked with "nvidia-331" which seems to be the package name [10:41] thanks for the help, filed a bug [10:45] i think that for during 14.04's lifetime we should eliminate all the bugs. No more bugs ever! [10:46] In a perfect world, we'll do that before 14.04.1 :) [10:58] Hi, I'am new to xubuntu and got the problem that my docky bar suddenly disaper [10:58] Hi, I'am new to xubuntu and got the problem that my docky bar suddenly disapears... [10:59] I didn't found a solution on the web...there is no error message what makes it difficult to find the problem [11:02] Meerkat, but I got impression that bugs in ubuntu does not get fixed during release lifetime, only in next release. Unless they are major ones, of course. [11:03] mpxii, what docky bar, some applet you put on panel dies or something? what xubuntu is it [11:04] nikolam, I think it is the one xubuntu used to have on the bottom a few releases back. [11:05] it lists a bunch of common application icons if you hover the mouse over. [11:05] Meerkat, I understand that it is removed by default from 14.04, but one can make a new one, just by setting new panel options and adding items on it.. [11:06] it's xfce, you can make how ever you want your panels [11:09] yeah its a panel bar mac style [11:10] but it's disapeares [11:10] mpxii, which xubuntu version are you using? [11:11] 14.04 [11:11] mpxii, ok, there is no bottom panel by default on 14.04 [11:11] no, i've added it [11:11] mpxii, ok, so what do you mean by "it disappears" ? [11:11] so i have to go to the docky chat room? [11:11] mpxii, I believe the panel item you need to add is called "quick launcher". [11:11] it closes without leaving a message [11:12] mpxii, what closes? is it a new regular panel, or is it some other software [11:13] no it's extra from the software-center [11:13] can't find quick launcher [11:13] mpxii, have you tried running it from the terminal to see if it outputs something when it's closed? [11:14] thats a good idea [11:15] puff it's full of error messages ... [11:16] !pastebin | mpxii [11:16] mpxii: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [11:16] but there was not the error which makes the application close [11:16] anything and everything can be related [11:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7298522/ [11:17] especially in the south [11:17] ;-) [11:18] mpxii, there's definitely something wrong here. let me just double-check: did you install this from the official repositories (eg. not a PPA) ? [11:19] I installed it from the official repositories. And then I found on the web the ppa-stable would be better so i added the ppa but apt-get didn't installed an update by that [11:19] mpxii, well, first: did you run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' after adding the PPA? [11:20] That's a difficult question but I guess yes [11:20] hey, is there any way to upgrade my system to 14.04 from terminal? 'apt-get update -d' won't do it i believe [11:20] mpxii, you can do it now to make sure you have done it [11:21] yes I did [11:21] tlbakh, which version are you using now? [11:21] nothing changed [11:21] 13.10 i guess [11:21] mpxii, then what does 'apt-cache policy docky' say? [11:21] tlbakh, what does running 'lsb_release -a' in terminal say? [11:21] 500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages [11:21] as i said, 13.10 [11:22] tlbakh, have you disabled the GUI update manager? [11:22] mpxii, what's the PPA you tried to add? it might have older versions, thus nothing would be upgraded... [11:22] I didn't even know there is an update manager. I failed big time, i know [11:23] tlbakh, press alt+f2 to open the 'run' dialog, then run update-manager [11:23] tlbakh, is the update manager running now and does it suggest the upgrade? [11:24] knome, always a step ahead! your right they are on 2.1.4 https://launchpad.net/~docky-core/+archive/stable [11:24] it suggests that there are files needed to be updated sized about 240mb [11:25] not files, software [11:25] mpxii, yeah... they don't even have remotely new versions/repositories [11:26] tlbakh, but not the new 14.04 release? [11:26] mpxii, so what you should do now is [11:26] mpxii, run 'ubuntu-bug docky' in the terminal [11:26] mpxii, and file a bug about your error [11:26] nope, nothing about 14.04 [11:26] ok [11:26] mpxii, ubuntu-bug will gather some information from your system, but please include the pastebin *file* to the bug report as well [11:27] mpxii, here's the plain file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7298522/plain/ [11:27] tlbakh, if you run 'update-manager -d' instead, is 14.04 mentioned then? [11:27] knome, do I need to get a "launch pad" account? [11:28] mpxii, yes [11:29] mpxii, you can create one here: https://login.launchpad.net/+new_account [11:29] knome, nope. Nothing can show up when I added '-d' [11:29] Nothing showed up [11:29] tlbakh, nothing? did you close the other update manager window? [11:30] knome, yes I closed that. [11:30] knome, Only the title 'Software Updater' shows up but nothing else. [11:31] tlbakh, does it look like it's doing something? [11:31] knome, don't think so. When I hit the close button, it was immediately closed. [11:32] tlbakh, well let it work on what it's doing for a while, it should definitely end up in the same dialog you saw earlier [11:32] Oke then [11:34] knome, I did that... [11:34] thank you for your time! [11:38] mpxii, no problem, and good luck [12:09] Hey guys, I'm having this incredibly annoying problem where if I unmute my speakers there a horrible droning noise.. It's not coming from any app I can see :/ [12:40] After uninstalling XP and installing xubuntu my son then changed the root pwd. At that point his own persoanl pwd didn't work any longer. He says he has tried to reinstall from scratch a few times but that his pwd is still not working. Is he misssing something on a reformat? [12:40] btw, thx in advance! [12:52] xubuntu164: he's missing setting the password [12:54] thx HiddenDjinn, He's at school today & I'm off work so going to attempt to resinstall for him, i knew it'd have to be something sismple, lol! === dan_ is now known as dan992 [13:11] hey there guys :) [13:13] !hi | dan992 [13:13] dan992: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [13:19] Hello everyone ! (: [13:20] i'm new in the linux/xubuntu community since Windows XP died i decided to give linux a try ^ ^ [13:22] it's still a little difficult to understand it all but, i've been able to do almost all i need to with my old computer, but i've noticed 2 problems that are bothrering me frist: i'have installed both the flash plugin and the java stull on the software center but there is still some video player on the web that doesnt function.. ): [13:22] is there anyway to corect this ? [13:24] and my second problem is about libreoffice, i've tried to open a docx file but the pics and the way the file displays isnt really right... some images hide a part of the text for exemple...etc) [13:25] any help ? [13:25] SpeendaSh, sadly adobe does not provide proper flash for linux anymore, the only way you will get proper flash is by going to the google page for chrome, downloading and installing it from there, that will provide you wil the latest flash. [13:26] GridCube: Oh thanks ! i've installed the web chromium browser, but i'm confused then on how toinstall the lastest flash pluglin... i'll try again and see [13:26] you might also need to install privative drivers for your video card, check under the settings options called "software sources" in the settins manager, the last tab of said program is named "aditional drivers" check if you have something avialable for your hardware [13:27] SpeendaSh, chromium is not chrome [13:27] :) [13:27] gridcube> oh flop... i thought there was the same >.< , it's good that you told me this lol [13:27] as said, you need to get chrome from googles webpage [13:27] gribcube> ok then, i'll try google chrome instead ^ ^ [13:28] SpeendaSh, if you type gr and press the tab key you will autocomplete nicks (and in terminals autocomplete application names) [13:29] GridCube: haha yes that what i was doing ^ ^ you don't hear any little "bip" sound when i do ? (: [13:29] GridCube: test ! [13:29] SpeendaSh, :) it works [13:29] GridCube: lol ok good (: [13:30] GridCube: thank you very much for your help ! it's good to see that this cmunity is that helping ! [13:31] GridCube: i'm currently installing "wine" with the software manager" in order to make microsoft office starter to run... do you think it's a bad idea ? x: [13:31] just want to have advises lol [13:32] you should not attach to microsoft applications anymore, i recommend you to try libreoffice, its a nice alternative, and the compatiblity with ms software is not bad, not excellent either, but not bad. [13:33] getting office to work under wine was not very easy last time i tried, but that was years ago [13:33] GridCube: Indeed, that's totally what i would like to do but... there is a document that i really need to use and it's displaying so badly with libreoffice... ): [13:34] GridCube: i've try abiworld also, ive also tried to convert the file but no good result... [13:35] SpeendaSh, when dealing with wine you should always check the appdb first, please see http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=31 [13:35] aparently all applications are in silver :D [13:36] GridCube: oh i didnt know that one... is that a good sign ? silver lol [13:36] silver is very good [13:37] GridCube: oh cool ! i hope it's going to work with oMicrosoft office starter though... it wasnt listed on "playonlinux" and i wasnt able to install it x: [13:38] SpeendaSh, the installer is garbage tho, see the page [13:38] GridCube: brrr.... oh flop... indeed it is ... [13:39] see each application page, it will provide instructions on how to install [13:41] GridCube: thank you ! [13:41] GridCube: i'm not really confident on this lol i'll try, wine just got installed now. [13:42] you could also try kingsoft office [13:42] SpeendaSh, as said before i would not have high hopes on ms products [13:43] GridCube: do you use Xubuntu only on your computer(s) ? [13:43] it's supposed to have the best support for ms formats [13:43] fballs: really ? o: [13:44] that's what i've heard...haven't tried it myself [13:44] might be worth a shot before having to mess with wine [13:45] fballs: oh do you mean libreoffice ? [13:45] oh kingsoft sorry [13:45] didnt saw your reply fballs [13:45] SpeendaSh, in my computers yes, at work i use windows and linux [13:46] fballs: is kingsoft avaible for linux ? [13:46] http://wps-community.org/download.html [13:46] SpeendaSh: ^^ - you want the .deb file [13:46] GridCube: did you ever had any limitations with xubuntu ? in your point of view ? [13:47] elfy: oh ! thank you very much ! (: [13:47] ok then i'm going to try this then [13:47]