[00:17] <nonya> can not seem to get the desktop background to change and the right click menu not showing
[00:17] <nonya> after reboot
[00:32] <delt> llo
[00:32] <delt> hello
[00:32] <delt> am at my parents house
[00:32] <delt> installed xubuntu 14.04, there's a TON of problems with it
[00:33] <delt> mouse wheel in titlebars don't shade window
[00:33] <delt> desktop properties hangs
[00:33] <delt> closing the laptop lid leaves the system with a blank screen, completely unusable and no way to recover other than reboot
[00:34] <delt> xfce-settings is not in the upper left menu
[00:34] <delt> ncurses boxes that apt-get pops up cannot be closed
[00:35] <delt> anyway i managed to ssh to my home and connect to this irc client.... :/
[00:36] <delt> THIS RELEASE IS JUNK
[00:36] <knome> delt, please calm down.
[00:36] <delt> sorry but it's kind of true :/
[00:36] <knome> delt, if you read the release notes you would have known there are some known issues
[00:36] <knome> for the rest, i can't say much than that you should file bugs
[00:37] <delt> well, i just found some more.
[00:37] <delt> *sigh* will try again next time i come here.... maybe with linux mint or something.
[00:37] <knome> good luck.
[00:38] <delt> personally for me i don't need user-friendly, but my parents aren't net admins or programmers
[00:38] <delt> anyway be back later from my home.
[00:46] <nonya> if I could get iphone to sync i would totally install xubuntu or any linux os to my system instead of running off usb
[00:47] <nonya> it seems that linux os can not  sync iphones
[00:47] <nonya> i have tried a whole bunch i have so many live cds
[00:49] <knome> nonya, have you tried installing the libimobiledevice package?
[00:49] <knome> i know nothing of syncing any "i"device, but that should do it
[00:50] <nonya> i have the device when i hook it up show in gigalo file manager also it showes up in network
[00:51] <nonya> and on desktop
[00:52] <nonya> but does not show up in rythmnbox
[00:52] <knome> i don't know if rhythmbox is supposed to support those devices
[00:54] <krabador> really really really congrat, i'm an italian #ubuntu-it operator, i installed ubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu,lubuntu, and i thing that with 14.04, xubuntu is the one with greater feel and the best in 360°
[00:54] <knome> krabador, thanks, and enjoy
[00:54] <nonya> actully Xubuntu is the only os atleast it shows up
[00:55] <krabador> unity and kde, not too much updates, and i found some bugs, lubuntu it's almost the same, but xubutu became really great
[00:56] <nonya> i do have  libimobiledevice4 installed
[00:56] <krabador> ubuntugnome it's properly the same
[00:56] <nonya> it was installed at system install
[00:57] <knome> nonya, do you have a very recent iphone model?
[00:57] <nonya> the only thing is the wireless drivers where not installed but i did that  later
[00:58] <nonya> I have an Iphone 4 am geting the 4s tomorrow
[01:01] <nonya> so which multimedia program supports the Iphones it does ipods and ipads?
[01:02] <knome> no idea.
[01:02] <nonya> i installed Itunes in wine no dice and syncios no dice cant seem to see device
[01:02] <nonya> I really like this Xubuntu 14.04
[01:04] <knome> i would look further into libimobiledevice, it looks like it should in some way be able to connect
[01:04] <knome> at least it would be a step forward if you could see any of the music/files any way
[01:05] <knome> if you can do that, but it doesn't show up in rhythmbox... maybe there's something wrong with it then
[01:05] <nonya> i am installing from synaptic all the idevice and  libimobiledevice and python packs maybe that will work
[01:06] <nonya> just installed going to reboot and see out come will BrB
[01:16] <nonya> well noada with all that i try so far
[01:24] <nonya> knome, trying some more things like banshee and amarok
[01:25] <knome> nonya, good luck
[01:27] <nonya> when i find it the whole world will know and i will keep the data for others to use
[01:29] <nonya> also i will install Xubuntu on system hard drive as it will run faster then off the usb and do away with windoz
[01:31] <nonya> Ya i could run windoz on Vm but that is defeating the pupose of leaving it in the dust to go away for ever
[01:33] <nonya> Gates and all those venders need to stop soaking people and making billons on the necks of poor folks
[01:37] <nonya> Linux does wonderful to folks who cant afford the extravagant prices for software i appreciate the work of the developers and volunteers whom make it possible
[01:37] <knome> nonya, please note that this is the support channel, you can discuss open software and such in #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:37] <nonya> ok sorry about that wont happen again
[01:38] <knome> no problem
[01:41] <nonya> is there a way to copy this usb to the hard drive with out total reinstall to hardrive
[01:43] <nonya> like xp had casper program which copied hardrive to another hardrive
[02:24] <nova_> I've installed Xubuntu on an old intel d845pebt2 motherboard system.  When I suspend (s3) and resume, it seems that my session isn't saved properly, and I resume from the login screen.  All screen lock options are disabled, so it should resume right to the desktop.  Does anyone have any clues as to why I'm having this problem?
[02:27] <knome> nova_, the lock screen looks the same as the login screen. does the button say "unlock" or "log in" ?
[02:27] <nova_> unlock
[02:27] <knome> ah, right, all lock options are disabled
[02:28] <knome> i guess you could just remove light-locker if you don't want locking...
[02:28] <nova_> i had this problem before also, with 13.10, then updated to 14.04 and it continued.  So I tried a clean install to make sure it wasnt somethign i misconfigured
[02:28] <nova_> oh.  do you mean the options in light locker to either lock or not lock on suspend are disabled and not functional?
[02:29] <knome> they should be functional, but if they aren't, you can at least just remove light-locker
[02:29] <knome> i've heard that bug before though, but i'm not sure if it's filed
[02:29] <nova_> the funny thing is when i went from 13.10 to 14.04, I had power manager, xscreensaver, and light locker all disabled at one point and it still did it
[02:29] <nova_> not disabled..i mean removed entirely
[02:29] <knome> hmm.
[02:30] <nova_> and it still persisted
[02:30] <knome> even after reboot?
[02:30] <nova_> yes
[02:30] <nova_> ill try removing light-loocker again
[02:30] <nova_> and rebooting
[02:31] <nova_> i asked in xubuntu-devel the other day and someone said it sounded like the session was crashing or something to that effect
[02:31] <knome> aha, then it might be you who i remember talking about it ;)
[02:31] <knome> did you file a bug for that then?
[02:33] <nova_> no not yet.  Still not sure if it's a bug.  I'm not sure what it is exactly
[02:33] <knome> file it, it's easier to mark it as invalid that start filing it again later
[02:33] <nova_> still not even sure if its a screen lock or a login screen cause yeah they look identical to me
[02:34] <knome> well the point is to make them look identical :)
[02:34] <nova_> yeah and i like that idea
[02:35] <nova_> should i purge light-locker or is removing it sufficient
[02:36] <knome> well if you don't mind losing all of your settings (i guess you don't mind if you don't want locking anyway), doing a purge won't hurt
[02:36] <nova_> yeah the settings dont seem to matter much atm : P
[02:36] <nova_> ok brb ty sir
[02:41] <nova_> knome: thank you that seemed to work
[02:41] <knome> nova_, great
[02:41] <nova_> that was beginning to drive me nuts
[02:41] <knome> nova_, anyway, if you'd like to help... file a bug describing your situation before the purge
[02:41] <nova_> ok
[02:42] <nova_> I was also getting alot of apport whoopsie spam before with 13.10...I'm hoping thats quieted down
[02:42] <nonya_> got it got the songs from iphone 4 playing now in clementine now yehaw
[02:42] <knome> let's hope so :)
[02:43] <nova_> I have to say apport is really really unhelpful for the end user
[02:43] <nonya_> that is one step closer now on to the photos
[02:43] <knome> nova_, it's helpful for the developers though, and it shouldn't spawn too often after releases are out
[02:44] <nonya_> knome, I got it going now
[02:44] <nova_> yeah...but just a little bit of info for me to try to look into the problem would be helpful.
[02:44] <knome> nova_, good luck in creating an AI that understands your problem
[02:44] <nova_> lol true
[02:44] <knome> nova_, might as well make it fix it for you while you do that ;)
[02:44] <knome> so... yeah
[02:45] <knome> humans are still needed
[02:45] <nova_> but something hinting at what triggered apport to raise alarm I mean
[02:45] <knome> mmh
[02:46] <nonya_> knome,  gona try for the photos and video now
[02:46] <knome> nonya_, good luck
[02:46] <knome> i'm off to bed soon
[02:46] <nova_> thank you again knome..have a goodnight
[02:47] <nonya_> I will let you know tomorrow thanks for the Help
[02:47] <knome> no problem
[02:47] <nonya_> God bless gN
[03:18] <xubuntu070> My son uninstalled Win Xp and installed xubuntu, the he changed the root pwd and his own pwd wouldn't work any longer. He has tried to completely start over but says he still can't get his own pwd to work. Is he not reformatting the hd correctly or something? Help! Thanks in advance!
[03:45] <joseanjim> hi
[03:46] <xubuntu070>  hi
[03:47] <joseanjim> i just installed 14.04 and having some problems with nvidia driver
[03:49] <xubuntu070> isorry, i am a total novice @ LINUX & CAME HERE TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER FOR CHILD'S LINUX ISSUE(S)/ gOOD LUCK!
[03:49] <joseanjim> i tried current driver from software center, driver suggested by system update, and nvidia-current by terminal and when restart always the same... a black screen
[03:49] <xubuntu070> btw, sorry about the CAPS
[03:49] <xubuntu070> quit
[03:49] <joseanjim> np
[03:49] <xubuntu070> exit
[03:50] <xubuntu070> and i don't even know how to exit gracefully... talk about a learning curve!
[03:51] <joseanjim> try with the X at top right corner of window
[03:51] <xubuntu070> got it! good luck!
[03:59] <james0r2> anyone know where the battery monitor plugin looks for its icon? i'm trying to swap out a new icon for it but can't seem to find its source.
[04:02] <CapitalSigma> hey all
[04:03] <CapitalSigma> how can i upgrade to 14.04? apt-get tells me that everything is at the latest vesrion
[04:06] <xubuntu688> Hi
[04:06] <xubuntu688> I have any issue with Xubuntu 14.04 can someone assist me
[04:06] <xubuntu688> an
[04:06] <james0r2> xubuntu688, go ahead with your question.
[04:07] <xubuntu688> I have an intel graphics card in my laptop and uptil now the use of TearFree option in xorg.conf has been working fine work tear free video
[04:08] <xubuntu688> in xubuntu 14.04 this option works fine for video but produces weard disply issues with the actual 2D windows
[04:09] <xubuntu688> so the redrawing of multiple widnows on screen some times leaves half windows transparent or not displayed
[04:09] <xubuntu688> when I switch between workspaces then it corrects itself
[04:25] <xubuntu113> Hello
[04:25] <xubuntu113> I recently installed xubuntu 14.04 to my laptop, a lenovo thinkpad
[04:27] <xubuntu113> I am having an issue where closing the laptop and opening it back up again causes the laptop screen to be very dim and after I log in, I only get a black screen
[04:27] <xubuntu113> Can you help me?
[04:29] <xubuntu113> Hello?
[04:30] <`Fibz> i wonder if this would help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021/comments/5
[04:30] <`Fibz> @ xubuntu113
[04:31] <xubuntu113> Thank you. I will try that out
[04:35] <xubuntu113> Its says I have insufficient permissions even under root
[04:36] <xubuntu113> I cannot change that line of text
[04:36] <juantwothree> Cannot install Xubuntu 14.04 due to PAE boot error?
[04:36] <juantwothree> Anyone offer insight as to what can be done with this?
[04:37] <xubuntu113> I have installed it, its just that once I close my laptop lid and try to log in again, the screen blacks out. I can log back out and log in as a guest but not with my usual account
[05:19] <xdaimon> Has anybody got light locker to work nice with two monitors?
[05:37] <kajair> please support me. i cant post this on askubuntu. so ive come here to answer. how can i fix this? http://kajair.uboxi.com/theme.jpg
[05:38] <kajair> ?
[05:40] <`Fibz> page doesnt load
[05:40] <kajair> can you tell me an upload center to upload my screenshot image?
[05:41] <kajair> http://i57.tinypic.com/5cy3dd.jpg
[05:41] <kajair> ok here
[05:43] <skribblezatcha> picpaste is a good one to use to upload a screenshot to kajair.
[05:44] <kajair> http://picpaste.com/theme-5BXy2xVd.jpg
[05:46] <kajair> ?
[05:48] <kajair> wont you answer me?
[05:48] <bazhang> !here | kajair
[05:49] <kajair> ok. my theme is corrupted randomly (without doing anything). some icons are having white background. http://picpaste.com/theme-5BXy2xVd.jpg this is screenshot. tell me how to fix?
[05:50] <bazhang> try another theme; same outcome?
[05:51] <kajair> yes. all styles and icons are having same result
[05:51] <bazhang> every single one?
[05:52] <kajair> yes.all
[05:52] <bazhang> how many tried
[05:52] <kajair> i said all themes
[05:52] <kajair> 7 8
[05:52] <bazhang> from where
[05:53] <kajair> all settings > appearance > style + all settings > appearance > icon
[05:55] <kajair> wait i restart again.
[05:55] <kajair> bye
[05:55] <`Fibz> k
[05:57] <kajair> it has been fixed by third restart!
[06:04] <`Fibz> now that i think about it, i had that problem on this system
[06:06] <`Fibz> happened after launching a full screen application for the first time, garbled all my mouse pointers first, then icons started corrupting. restart fixed it, hasnt happened again since
[07:19] <Aurvandill> hello
[08:29] <nikolam> btw, anyone knows why xubuntu does not have gksu installed by default anymore?
[08:33] <james0r2> nikolam, not sure. but i just noticed that
[08:33] <larrypg> http://askubuntu.com/questions/284306/why-is-gksu-no-longer-installed-by-default
[09:18] <delt> ok, so i installed & tested xubuntu on my parents laptop yesterday... same problem with screen turning off when closing the lid, and no way to turn it back on.
[09:18] <delt> Except to either reboot, or run "xrandr --auto" from another machine.
[09:19] <Meerkat> delt, either disable locker settings in the settings menu or uninstall xscreensaver.
[09:19] <delt> Meerkat: neither of those fixes worked, on my laptop or theirs.
[09:19] <Meerkat> delt, did you click apply after disabling the locker settings?
[09:19] <delt> btw xscreensaver was replaced by lightlocker.. no idea why
[09:20] <delt> i personally liked xscreensaver better than lightlocker
[09:20] <delt> Meerkat: the screen TURNS OFF, doesn't just go blank.
[09:21] <Meerkat> do you mean that the computer goes into sleep/hibernate? Because that is also an issue, although separate from lightlocker.
[09:22] <delt> in some circumstances it did... but even if it didn't, the screen still turned off with no way to turn it back on.
[09:22] <delt> the machine was still running, ie. pressing caps lock still toggled the led
[09:22] <delt> and so on.
[09:23] <delt> and of course if i could telnet to it from another machine, it wasn't in sleep mode.
[09:23] <delt> there were several other problems as well
[09:24] <delt> the desktop settings crashed if you ran it from right clicking on the desktop.. seemed to be running fine from the settings menu
[09:24] <delt> s/crashed/froze/
[09:25] <Meerkat> delt, are the power settings set up as you want them?
[09:25] <delt> ie. window completely unresponsive, try to close it and xfce asks if you want to kill the process after a few seconds.
[09:25] <delt> Meerkat: i want closing/opening the lid to do nothing. i was unable to achieve that.
[09:26] <delt> anyway i'm back home so i can test further on my own laptop
[09:27] <delt> which exhibits (most of) the same problems.
[09:27] <Meerkat> delt, bug 1307545 is that it?
[09:29] <delt> Meerkat: seems to be similar, but in my case it renders the machine completely unusable. Even trying to switch vt's doesn't work.
[09:29] <Meerkat> HandlePowerKey, HandleSuspendey, HandleHibernateKey, HanderLidKey all need to be set to ignore and uncommented (remove the #). Then reboot for it to take affect.
[09:30] <delt> wait, i want to handle the power button to turn off the laptop
[09:30] <ochosi> delt: why not just switch back to xscreensaver if you prefer it?
[09:30] <delt> ochosi: i did. it didn't fix the problem.
[09:30] <ochosi> oh, so you're having a differenz issue, i was mostly reading about the blank/black screen after lid-close
[09:31] <Meerkat> delt, could you check lightlocker settings to see if it really is turned off?
[09:31] <delt> ochosi: as soon as i close the lid, the screen turns off completely, and there's no way to turn it back on other than rebooting or resetting it from another machine.
[09:31] <delt> Meerkat: tomorrow i'll install a small xubuntu 14.04 partition on my laptop.
[09:31] <delt> so i can help debug this.
[09:32] <ochosi> delt: yes, that's a known issue with light-locker that we're trying to fix
[09:32] <phm-grand_jct> Running ./ccg_client mtg.xml
[09:32] <phm-grand_jct> ./ccg_client: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_net-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:32] <delt> ochosi: so, other people are having this same issue?
[09:32] <ochosi> delt: yes, that's what "known issue" means ;)
[09:32] <delt> why not just keep xscreensaver? light-locker is garbage.
[09:34] <delt> ochosi: but from the live-cd session, i did have the same problem after removing light-locker and installing xscreensaver... iirc
[09:36] <delt> btw does anyone know if ubutnu studio have the same problem?
[09:36] <delt> s/have/has/
[09:36] <Meerkat> delt, bug 1259339 might be the one.
[09:38] <delt> could be...
[09:38] <ochosi> delt: i hope you don't expect replies to not very informed and derogatory statements like "software X is garbage".
[09:38] <ochosi> and yeah, that issue Meerkat mentioned is the one i was thinking of, but nvm, you're obviously having a different set of problems
[09:38] <delt> ochosi: ok then, i personally dislike light-locker.
[09:39] <ochosi> yeah, as i said, feel free not to use it
[09:39] <Meerkat> ochosi, so what is the reason light-locker "replaced" xscreensaver?
[09:39] <delt> yeah, would also like to know
[09:40] <ochosi> we have an article prepared for that on xubuntu.org, but it hasn't been published yet
[09:41] <ochosi> it'll hopefully answer that question in a satisfying manner
[09:41] <ochosi> don't wanna just repeat those arguments
[09:41] <ochosi> should be published this week
[09:41] <delt> ok, can't wait to see it
[09:42] <Meerkat> the week just started! :p
[09:46] <delt> anyway, i have a spare partition on my laptop. i'll use it to test this issue, and make sure if it does in fact still happen with xscreensaver
[09:48] <xub12> Hey there! Can't start Live-session (only shell) - azx_get_response timeout... Who knows advice?
[09:51] <xubuntu620> Hello world!Please help to install Xubuntu.I have 2 x 500 GB and partition.
[09:51] <xub12> No Windows, messed up Xubuntu 13.10, upgraded to 14.04 - same mess :( want to completely restore system freshly (including grub)
[09:52] <xub12> how best?
[10:03] <xub12> Hey there! Can't start Live-session (only shell) - azx_get_response timeout on HP Pavilion
[10:14] <notwist> On Xubuntu 14.04 I have an issue on my ThinkPad when running the "proprietary,tested" 331.38 nvidia driver. My screen sometimes locks up but when I do ctrl+alt+f6 (switch to tty6) and then back to 7 it's no longer hung. No idea why this is happening or why switching like that helps, any ideas on what I can do to troubleshoot and/or file bugs? Should I try a newer driver from nvidias webpage?
[10:19] <nikolam> notwist, it needs to be reported as a bug, with description, so Nvida could be noted and fix if it is problem with driver
[10:19] <nikolam> if you don't report it...
[10:22] <notwist> nikolam: where do I file the bug though? since its a proprietary driver I mean
[10:23] <notwist> also I'd like to know what kind of info I could attach to make the bug report better
[10:23] <elfy> notwist: in a terminal ubuntu-bug nvidia
[10:23] <elfy> it will add all the information it wants
[10:27] <notwist> I get "package nvidia doesn't exist", is it because I switched back to the open source driver?
[10:27] <notwist> ill try switching back
[10:29] <notwist> got the same error but it worked with "nvidia-331" which seems to be the package name
[10:41] <notwist> thanks for the help, filed a bug
[10:45] <Meerkat> i think that for during 14.04's lifetime we should eliminate all the bugs. No more bugs ever!
[10:46] <bluesabre> In a perfect world, we'll do that before 14.04.1 :)
[10:58] <mpxii> Hi, I'am new to xubuntu and got the problem that my docky bar suddenly disaper
[10:58] <mpxii> Hi, I'am new to xubuntu and got the problem that my docky bar suddenly disapears...
[10:59] <mpxii> I didn't found a solution on the web...there is no error message what makes it difficult to find the problem
[11:02] <nikolam> Meerkat, but I got impression that bugs in ubuntu does not get fixed during release lifetime, only in next release. Unless they are major ones, of course.
[11:03] <nikolam> mpxii, what docky bar, some applet you put on panel dies or something? what xubuntu is it
[11:04] <Meerkat> nikolam, I think it is the one xubuntu used to have on the bottom a few releases back.
[11:05] <Meerkat> it lists a bunch of common application icons if you hover the mouse over.
[11:05] <nikolam> Meerkat, I understand that it is removed by default from 14.04, but one can make a new one, just by setting new panel options and adding items on it..
[11:06] <nikolam> it's xfce, you can make how ever you want your panels
[11:09] <mpxii> yeah its a panel bar mac style
[11:10] <mpxii> but it's disapeares
[11:10] <knome> mpxii, which xubuntu version are you using?
[11:11] <mpxii> 14.04
[11:11] <knome> mpxii, ok, there is no bottom panel by default on 14.04
[11:11] <mpxii> no, i've added it
[11:11] <knome> mpxii, ok, so what do you mean by "it disappears" ?
[11:11] <mpxii> so i have to go to the docky chat room?
[11:11] <Meerkat> mpxii, I believe the panel item you need to add is called "quick launcher".
[11:11] <mpxii> it closes without leaving a message
[11:12] <knome> mpxii, what closes? is it a new regular panel, or is it some other software
[11:13] <mpxii> no it's extra from the software-center
[11:13] <mpxii> can't find quick launcher
[11:13] <knome> mpxii, have you tried running it from the terminal to see if it outputs something when it's closed?
[11:14] <mpxii> thats a good idea
[11:15] <mpxii> puff it's full of error messages ...
[11:16] <knome> !pastebin | mpxii
[11:16] <mpxii> but there was not the error which makes the application close
[11:16] <knome> anything and everything can be related
[11:17] <mpxii> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7298522/
[11:17] <Meerkat> especially in the south
[11:17] <mpxii> ;-)
[11:18] <knome> mpxii, there's definitely something wrong here. let me just double-check: did you install this from the official repositories (eg. not a PPA) ?
[11:19] <mpxii> I installed it from the official repositories. And then I found on the web the ppa-stable would be better so i added the ppa but apt-get didn't installed an update by that
[11:19] <knome> mpxii, well, first: did you run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' after adding the PPA?
[11:20] <mpxii> That's a difficult question but I guess yes
[11:20] <tlbakh> hey, is there any way to upgrade my system to 14.04 from terminal? 'apt-get update -d' won't do it i believe
[11:20] <knome> mpxii, you can do it now to make sure you have done it
[11:21] <mpxii> yes I did
[11:21] <knome> tlbakh, which version are you using now?
[11:21] <mpxii> nothing changed
[11:21] <tlbakh> 13.10 i guess
[11:21] <knome> mpxii, then what does 'apt-cache policy docky' say?
[11:21] <knome> tlbakh, what does running 'lsb_release -a' in terminal say?
[11:21] <mpxii>  500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
[11:21] <tlbakh> as i said, 13.10
[11:22] <knome> tlbakh, have you disabled the GUI update manager?
[11:22] <knome> mpxii, what's the PPA you tried to add? it might have older versions, thus nothing would be upgraded...
[11:22] <tlbakh> I didn't even know there is an update manager. I failed big time, i know
[11:23] <knome> tlbakh, press alt+f2 to open the 'run' dialog, then run update-manager
[11:23] <knome> tlbakh, is the update manager running now and does it suggest the upgrade?
[11:24] <mpxii> knome, always a step ahead! your right they are on 2.1.4 https://launchpad.net/~docky-core/+archive/stable
[11:24] <tlbakh> it suggests that there are files needed to be updated sized about 240mb
[11:25] <tlbakh> not files, software
[11:25] <knome> mpxii, yeah... they don't even have remotely new versions/repositories
[11:26] <knome> tlbakh, but not the new 14.04 release?
[11:26] <knome> mpxii, so what you should do now is
[11:26] <knome> mpxii, run 'ubuntu-bug docky' in the terminal
[11:26] <knome> mpxii, and file a bug about your error
[11:26] <tlbakh> nope, nothing about 14.04
[11:26] <mpxii> ok
[11:26] <knome> mpxii, ubuntu-bug will gather some information from your system, but please include the pastebin *file* to the bug report as well
[11:27] <knome> mpxii, here's the plain file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7298522/plain/
[11:27] <knome> tlbakh, if you run 'update-manager -d' instead, is 14.04 mentioned then?
[11:27] <mpxii> knome, do I need to get a "launch pad" account?
[11:28] <knome> mpxii, yes
[11:29] <knome> mpxii, you can create one here: https://login.launchpad.net/+new_account
[11:29] <tlbakh> knome, nope. Nothing can show up when I added '-d'
[11:29] <tlbakh> Nothing showed up
[11:29] <knome> tlbakh, nothing? did you close the other update manager window?
[11:30] <tlbakh> knome, yes I closed that.
[11:30] <tlbakh> knome, Only the title 'Software Updater' shows up but nothing else.
[11:31] <knome> tlbakh, does it look like it's doing something?
[11:31] <tlbakh> knome, don't think so. When I hit the close button, it was immediately closed.
[11:32] <knome> tlbakh, well let it work on what it's doing for a while, it should definitely end up in the same dialog you saw earlier
[11:32] <tlbakh> Oke then
[11:34] <mpxii> knome,  I did that...
[11:34] <mpxii> thank you for your time!
[11:38] <knome> mpxii, no problem, and good luck
[12:09] <albi> Hey guys, I'm having this incredibly annoying problem where if I unmute my speakers there a horrible droning noise.. It's not coming from any app I can see :/
[12:40] <xubuntu164> After uninstalling XP and installing xubuntu my son then changed the root pwd. At that point his own persoanl pwd didn't work any longer. He says he has tried to reinstall from scratch a few times but that his pwd is still not working. Is he misssing something on a reformat?
[12:40] <xubuntu164> btw, thx in advance!
[12:52] <HiddenDjinn> xubuntu164: he's missing setting the password
[12:54] <xubuntu164> thx HiddenDjinn, He's at school today & I'm off work so  going to attempt to resinstall for him, i knew it'd have to be something sismple, lol!
[13:11] <dan992> hey there guys :)
[13:13] <GridCube> !hi | dan992
[13:19] <SpeendaSh> Hello everyone ! (:
[13:20] <SpeendaSh> i'm new in the linux/xubuntu community since Windows XP died i decided to give linux a try ^ ^
[13:22] <SpeendaSh> it's still a little difficult to understand it all but, i've been able to do almost all i need to with my old computer, but i've noticed 2 problems that are bothrering me frist: i'have installed both the flash plugin and the java stull on the software center but there is still some video player on the web that doesnt function.. ):
[13:22] <SpeendaSh> is there anyway to corect this ?
[13:24] <SpeendaSh> and my second problem is about libreoffice, i've tried to open a docx file but the pics and the way the file displays isnt really right... some images hide a part of the text for exemple...etc)
[13:25] <SpeendaSh> any help ?
[13:25] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, sadly adobe does not provide proper flash for linux anymore, the only way you will get proper flash is by going to the google page for chrome, downloading and installing it from there, that will provide you wil the latest flash.
[13:26] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  Oh thanks ! i've installed the web chromium browser, but i'm confused then on how toinstall the lastest flash pluglin... i'll try again and see
[13:26] <GridCube> you might also need to install privative drivers for your video card, check under the settings options called "software sources" in the settins manager, the last tab of said program is named "aditional drivers" check if you have something avialable for your hardware
[13:27] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, chromium is not chrome
[13:27] <GridCube> :)
[13:27] <SpeendaSh> gridcube> oh flop... i thought there was the same >.< , it's good that you told me this lol
[13:27] <GridCube> as said, you need to get chrome from googles webpage
[13:27] <SpeendaSh> gribcube> ok then, i'll try google chrome instead ^ ^
[13:28] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, if you type gr and press the tab key you will autocomplete nicks (and in terminals autocomplete application names)
[13:29] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  haha yes that what i was doing ^ ^ you don't hear any little "bip" sound when i do ? (:
[13:29] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  test !
[13:29] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, :) it works
[13:29] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  lol ok good (:
[13:30] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  thank you very much for your help ! it's good to see that this cmunity is that helping !
[13:31] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  i'm currently installing "wine" with the software manager" in order to make microsoft office starter to run... do you think it's a bad idea ? x:
[13:31] <SpeendaSh> just want to have advises lol
[13:32] <GridCube> you should not attach to microsoft applications anymore, i recommend you to try libreoffice, its a nice alternative, and the compatiblity with ms software is not bad, not excellent either, but not bad.
[13:33] <GridCube> getting office to work under wine was not very easy last time i tried, but that was years ago
[13:33] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  Indeed, that's totally what i would like to do but... there is a document that i really need to use and it's displaying so badly with libreoffice... ):
[13:34] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  i've try abiworld also, ive also tried to convert the file but no good result...
[13:35] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, when dealing with wine you should always check the appdb first, please see http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=31
[13:35] <GridCube> aparently all applications are in silver :D
[13:36] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  oh i didnt know that one... is that a good sign ? silver lol
[13:36] <GridCube> silver is very good
[13:37] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  oh cool ! i hope it's going to work with oMicrosoft office starter though... it wasnt listed on "playonlinux" and i wasnt able to install it x:
[13:38] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, the installer is garbage tho, see the page
[13:38] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  brrr.... oh flop... indeed it is ...
[13:39] <GridCube> see each application page, it will provide instructions on how to install
[13:41] <SpeendaSh> GridCube: thank you !
[13:41] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  i'm not really confident on this lol i'll try, wine just got installed now.
[13:42] <fballs> you could also try kingsoft office
[13:42] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, as said before i would not have high hopes on ms products
[13:43] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  do you use Xubuntu only on your computer(s) ?
[13:43] <fballs> it's supposed to have the best support for ms formats
[13:43] <SpeendaSh> fballs:  really ? o:
[13:44] <fballs> that's what i've heard...haven't tried it myself
[13:44] <fballs> might be worth a shot before having to mess with wine
[13:45] <SpeendaSh> fballs:  oh do you mean libreoffice ?
[13:45] <SpeendaSh> oh kingsoft sorry
[13:45] <SpeendaSh> didnt saw your reply fballs
[13:45] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, in my computers yes, at work i use windows and linux
[13:46] <SpeendaSh> fballs:  is kingsoft avaible for linux ?
[13:46] <elfy> http://wps-community.org/download.html
[13:46] <elfy> SpeendaSh: ^^ - you want the .deb file
[13:46] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  did you ever had any limitations with xubuntu ? in your point of view ?
[13:47] <SpeendaSh> elfy: oh ! thank you very much ! (:
[13:47] <SpeendaSh> ok then i'm going to try this then
[13:47] <GridCube> SpeendaSh, it depends on your mindset, if you try to do the same things you did on windows you are gonna have a bad time, but if you jsut go with the flow and embrace a new way of thinking not so much
[13:48] <SpeendaSh> (fiouuu... just when i was juuust about to try it with wine lol )
[13:48] <elfy> SpeendaSh: actually forget that link - try http://www.noobslab.com/2013/05/microsoft-office-alternative-kingsoft.html
[13:48] <GridCube> just recently i had to install chrome because a webgame did not wanted to work on the old linux flash, but then i just had to eat my pride and use chrome for just that.
[13:48] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  hm... i guess that's the problem... i'm too much used to windows... oh well i'm still open minded and i'm really willing to get used to linux ! (:
[13:49] <SpeendaSh> elfy:  oh ok haha, thank you very much ! (:
[13:49] <GridCube> it has its perks ofcourse, ultimate hardware, like latest video cards and such might not work properly becuase the drivers are not updated (though hopefully steamOS will change this?)
[13:50] <GridCube> thats one of the greatest problems, but beyond that, i don't know, im really used to use linux now XD
[13:50] <SpeendaSh> GridCube:  well on the computer i have xubuntu in i'm reaaaaaally not about agmes anyway (X it's an old fellow lol
[13:52] <fballs> oh sorry SpeendaSh, yes kingsoft office 2013 is available for linux
[13:52] <SpeendaSh> i think what i need is to get some serious lessons about linux/xubuntu... i need a teacher lol
[13:52] <SpeendaSh> fballs:  it's okay my friend ! elfy  give me the link ofr it (: i'm trying it right now (:
[13:57] <duc> hello
[13:57] <duc> anyone here?
[13:58] <fballs> i'm showing 145
[13:59] <SpeendaSh> duc:  Hello ! (:
[13:59] <duc> I thinks the 14.04 menu looks a bit like a KDE menu
[14:00] <SpeendaSh> fballs:  elfy  You Guys are genius !  Kingsoft open my document perfectly !
[14:00] <SpeendaSh> thanks you very much ! ^ ^
[14:01] <duc> @SpeendaSh: Not for me. Kingsoft Office have problem opening documents in some asian languages.
[14:02] <fballs> well i'm sure it does chinese alright :D
[14:03] <SpeendaSh> duc> oh about that  ! when i opened it up a windows pop up and say that there is some symbol add ons or something like that that i s missing, maybe it just need to download it ?
[14:10] <fballs> does the repository version of compiz not work?
[14:11] <fballs> i loaded it from ubuntu software center, and i have no window decorations :(
[14:25] <Naphatul> did the bug where the screen fails to wake from suspend get fixed?
[14:25] <GridCube> !compiz
[14:25] <GridCube> fballs, compiz is NOT recommended
[14:25] <fballs> oh i got it, i was missing compiz-gnome
[14:25] <fballs> why not?
[14:26] <GridCube> compiz is not supported and its not really being developed anymore except for the things unity needs
[14:26] <fballs> xfce's compositor is garbage
[14:27] <fballs> it can't even handle video without tearing like crazy
[14:30] <damiank> hello, one question.. I saw somewhere that reducing swappinness from defaul 60 to 10 would increase speed. But in my case i dont see that increase of speed (i see the disk working anyway)
[14:30] <damiank> is that true?
[14:30] <damiank> how does that work?
[14:30] <damiank> i'm using 14.04b2
[14:30] <GridCube> fballs, have you tried compton?
[14:31] <fballs> no, i heard it had issues with shadows
[14:31]  * GridCube has had no problems with it
[14:31] <GridCube> i have never noticed or cared about tearing though, so i might not be a good comparison point
[14:32] <fballs> also, muh eye candy :D
[14:32] <fballs> it's working now, all is good
[14:32] <SpeendaSh> damiank:  i've read the same things somewhere too, but when i tried i got an error message at startup and i'm not sure the speed increased...
[14:33] <SpeendaSh> but i might have done it the wrong way though...
[14:33] <damiank> SpeendaSh here i dont see errors, but the speed is the same
[14:33] <damiank> i'm on x86_64 by the way
[14:34] <damiank> with 4gb
[14:34] <damiank> so i wanted to remove disk use because i have 95% ram free
[14:34] <SpeendaSh> damiank:  hm... maybe you should try see the task manager to see how the memomy is used then ?
[14:34] <damiank> 5%
[14:34] <damiank> or less
[14:34] <damiank> depends
[14:34] <damiank> but i have 40% or more swap
[14:34] <damiank> so i wanted to remove that
[14:34] <damiank> i dont see a reason to swap with so much free ram?
[14:35] <SpeendaSh> damiank: i'm sorry, i'm really not skilled at all hehe ^ ^' i'm actually curious as well to kniw if it's a good idea to do it x:
[14:35] <Artemis3> just do it
[14:35] <damiank> i tested switching from 60 to 10 swappiness
[14:35] <damiank> and i still get more or less same numbers
[14:35] <damiank> thats why i asked about it
[14:36] <damiank> for eg. swap decreased from 40 to 35 yesterday after doing it
[14:36] <damiank> but i want it close to zero
[14:36] <damiank> i dont see a reason to have swap when i have 95% free memory
[14:36] <elfy> if you don't want to use swap then turn it off
[14:37] <damiank> elfy hi :)
[14:37] <damiank> how do i turn it off?
[14:37] <damiank> to test
[14:37] <elfy> sudo swapoff -a
[14:37] <SpeendaSh> when does swap is usufull by the way ?
[14:37] <damiank> swap is used when ram is full right?
[14:37] <elfy> damiank: or if you want to test from reboot - comment out the swap line in fstab
[14:37] <damiank> on low ram systems to keep programs running?
[14:38] <elfy> mine gets used when I'm using vm's
[14:38] <damiank> elfy: i dont use vm's :)
[14:38] <damiank> only browser, an IDE to code in php/python and some other small stuff
[14:38] <damiank> like filezilla
[14:38] <damiank> so plenty of ram free
[14:39] <damiank> i'll test that on my next reboot thanks elfy
[14:39] <Naphatul> if you're using swap without filling ram then there's probably something else wrong
[14:39] <damiank> Naphatul i supposed that, so i asked to test
[14:39] <Naphatul> just having it on wouldn't slow anything down if it isn't used
[14:39] <elfy> damiank: then if you're only doing 'small stuff' why worry about swap and swappiness
[14:39] <damiank> i want to test how it works
[14:40] <damiank> elfy, i noticed for eg. that when i load thunar, swap increases
[14:40] <damiank> actually when i open several windows of it, it gets much worst
[14:40] <damiank> and the system goes very slow
[14:40] <damiank> so i want to test without swap how it works
[14:41] <damiank> its thunar 1.6.3 by the way
[14:41] <Artemis3> i blame tumbler
[14:41] <damiank> what's that?
[14:41] <Artemis3> thumbnail maker
[14:42] <damiank> ummm... not much use here i think
[14:42] <damiank> i'll test unloading that too
[14:42] <damiank> maybe thats the reason
[14:42] <damiank> is there a bug filled for that?
[14:43] <damiank> should i try to do an update¿?
[14:43] <Artemis3> dunno if its better with 14.04 but with 12.04 it loves to eat all your ram if you happen to be downloading a video
[14:43] <damiank> :)
[14:43] <Naphatul> damiank, update from what? are you still runing the beta?
[14:43] <damiank> i'm using b2, yeah
[14:43] <Naphatul> then you obviously you should update
[14:44] <adrenaline_> damiank, If you mwant to see what is using swap run top in a terminal and the top process is most likely your culprit.
[14:44] <damiank> i downloaded that iso approximately at the start of last week
[14:44] <ofloo_> hi, i've got this weird problem even after rebooting version 14.04 keeps trying to unmount umount -l /media/ofloo/xbian-beta2
[14:44] <Artemis3> im holding upgrades until the ibus stuff gets fixed
[14:44] <Naphatul> oh and just get iotop and check what's using your disk no need to do wild guessing
[14:44] <Naphatul> that and htop and you can see what is doing what
[14:44] <damiank> ok i'll test all this
[14:44] <ofloo_> the directory isn't there the device isn't there how does xubuntu even know
[14:44] <damiank> sorry i didnt check if there was a new version i thought we were still on b2
[14:44] <ofloo_> why does it even keep trying to unmount it after rebooting
[14:45] <Artemis3> there is no need to call it b2 if you have kept updating to this day
[14:45] <ofloo_> what is weird is it's always the same pid as well..
[14:45] <damiank> Artemis i'll check if its updated, thanks for the help
[14:46] <Artemis3> just run update-manager
[14:46] <damiank> yes, i know
[14:47] <damiank> i'll check that too
[14:47] <damiank> i'm off to eat something thank you all i'll be back later with how it worked
[14:47] <damiank> :)
[14:50] <Mugen_> Hello
[14:50] <Mugen_> I just upgraded to 14.04 and I noticed I cannot roll up my windows with the scroll wheel anymore
[14:50] <Mugen_> how can I re-enable this?
[14:53] <Simes> @Mugen,
[14:54] <Simes> @Mugen, Window Manager tweaks, Accessibility, last option.
[14:54] <Mugen_> Thanks
[14:54] <Simes> :-)
[14:57] <Simes> Is it just me, or is the new Whisker Menu less easy to use than in 13.10 and earlier?  Seems to need more mouse movement and clicks.  (May as well be using Mint.)
[14:59] <brainwash> you can type the first letters of the app you want to start
[15:00] <brainwash> so no mouse movement needed at all
[15:02] <Simes> True, you can.  Shame it doesn't work like the Mint one where if you type a command you do not have installed, it tells you what it might be.
[15:02] <elfy> Simes: I'm not sure if it's bound to a shortcut - but it is here - Super+Esc then type couple of letters, no mouse at all
[15:04] <Simes> It's not bound by default (at least, not on the Live DVD), but that's a good idea.
[15:04] <Naphatul> Simes, mint with what DE? also whiskermenu is great you don't need any clicks
[15:05] <Simes> Mint + MATE
[15:05] <Simes> I probably should just upgrade from 13.10 and adjust myself!
[15:10] <Simes> Ctrl+Esc, not Super+Esc, BTW
[15:18] <Luyin> hi everyone
[15:24] <NRDisciple> on 14.04 LTS, is there a known issue of not being able the change the wallpaper?  All .jpg files are greyed out.  Thanks!
[15:25] <NRDisciple> Also setting the wallpaper from the image editor does nothing
[15:26] <NRDisciple> the normal wallpaper options work from the backdrops only
[15:28] <brainwash> NRDisciple: which image editor?
[15:28] <NRDisciple> sorry "image viewer"
[15:29] <NRDisciple> and it wont let me add to usr/share/xfce4/backdrops
[15:29] <brainwash> ah, that's ristretto
[15:29] <NRDisciple> lol good to know the name
[15:29] <brainwash> yeah, it does not support the new background config format yet :/
[15:30] <NRDisciple> so no changes to wallpapers until a new update comes along?
[15:30] <GridCube> NRDisciple, /usr/share is locked by root, place your custom images on ~/.local/share/xfce4/backdrops
[15:30] <GridCube> also you can choose the source folder from the wallpaper settings manager
[15:30] <NRDisciple> i tried
[15:30] <brainwash> you can use the desktop settings dialog or right click on the image in the file manager and set it as background
[15:30] <NRDisciple> all .jpg images are greyed out
[15:30] <GridCube> are you using 14.04 on a virtual machine?
[15:31] <NRDisciple> 14.04
[15:31] <NRDisciple> no
[15:31] <NRDisciple> installed
[15:31] <GridCube> NRDisciple, please paste here the result of lsb_release -d
[15:31] <NRDisciple> the dock is also gone from 13.10, but this isn't my computer and the owner didn't like it anyways :P
[15:32] <NRDisciple> ok
[15:32] <NRDisciple> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[15:32] <GridCube> mmm
[15:32] <GridCube> yes, thats fine
[15:32] <GridCube> well NRDisciple your problem is known, but usual in virtual machines
[15:32] <GridCube> not in real hardware
[15:33] <NRDisciple> meh
[15:33] <NRDisciple> short of a re-d/l and burn on a new disc, any suggestions
[15:33] <GridCube> NRDisciple, can you add your problem here, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1271713
[15:33] <NRDisciple> sure
[15:34] <NRDisciple> hmmm you can change the desktop but only to the images in the backdrop folder and as you said, it's locked by root
[15:35] <GridCube> NRDisciple, can you try login in on a guest session and see if there it works?
[15:35] <GridCube> maybe you inherited a wrong setting somehow?
[15:36] <NRDisciple> lol i'll try bbiab
[15:36] <tuxwizard> what is the best way to disable power management settings in 14.04?
[15:38] <tuxwizard> My box at work will lock up during the night and I have to hard boot it when I come into the office each morning
[15:38] <genii> Probably to remove acpid
[15:39] <tuxwizard> so remove acpi-support and acpid?
[15:40] <NRDisciple> works fine on a guest session
[15:40] <genii> tuxwizard: That's what I would probably try, yes
[15:40] <tuxwizard> thanks, genii
[15:42] <NRDisciple> strange that a guest session would allow me to change the wallpaper
[15:45] <genii> tuxwizard: No prob. Maybe report back later to tell us if this prevented it from locking up the next night :)
[15:48] <louigi> hey fellas! I bought a Lenovo B590 laptop. It is said to be Ubuntu certified. However, it has already several times frozen, when only a hard reset helps. I looked through the logs, kernel and system and xorg, but did not find much. I run xubuntu 12.04 LTS.
[15:48] <louigi> Can anyone please advice where to look and what to do?
[15:49] <NRDisciple> nvm got the wallpaper to change.  Thanks for the help!
[15:52] <GridCube> tuxwizard, go to settings and search the lightlocker settings, there you change where and if to lock
[15:53] <GridCube> also check that you dont have xscreensaver installed along with lightlocker, they dont play well with each other
[16:13] <flan_suse> Anyone here place the panel on the bottom (rather than top?)
[16:15] <elfy> flan_suse: I do
[16:16] <flan_suse> elfy: Do you notice the xfce4-indicator-plugin is glitchy when using a bottom panel?
[16:16] <elfy> no, and I've been using it for months
[16:17] <flan_suse> For instance, when the options / size changes (such as disabling wireless, closing a music application, etc), it "resizes" leaving a huge gap on the bottom.
[16:17] <flan_suse> I can show you a screen shot.
[16:19] <flan_suse> Actually, you can try it too.
[16:19] <flan_suse> You use gmusicbrowser or Banshee?
[16:20] <GridCube> flan_suse, i use it at the bottom and never noticed a proble either
[16:21] <flan_suse> Ironically, I can't take a screenshot, since xfce won't read keyboard shortcuts when I have anything on the indicator tray selected...
[16:21] <flan_suse> There's an easy way to reproduce this.
[16:22] <flan_suse> IF you use Banshee, or gmusicbrowser, or can disable wireless for a few seconds.
[16:22] <flan_suse> It's hard to describe / search in a bug report.
[16:22] <elfy> flan_suse: I've run through probably 6 music players in the last 5 months never noticedd an issue
[16:22] <flan_suse> Okay, so you have one ready to use now?
[16:23] <flan_suse> As long as it supports the sound menu option (Banshee, gmusic, rhthymbox, etc.)
[16:24] <Vakkotaur> fwiw, just about the first thing I do is move the panle to the bottom of the screen. No issues noticed.  Maybe I've just been lucky?
[16:24] <GridCube> flan_suse, open the screenshoter, set it up to take a screenshot in 4 seconds, pop the issue window and wait for the screen to shot
[16:24] <flan_suse> Okay.
[16:24] <flan_suse> You'll see my example.
[16:25] <flan_suse> It's not like a crash or freeze, but quite annoying none-the-less.
[16:26] <flan_suse> Uploading now.
[16:28] <flan_suse> http://imgbin.org/images/17155.png
[16:28] <flan_suse> Notice where my mouse cursor is.
[16:28] <flan_suse> However, if I click away, and click again, it will display as normal.
[16:28] <flan_suse> However...
[16:28] <flan_suse> If I load a song, connect to a network, or do anything else that changes the vertical height of the menu...
[16:29] <flan_suse> It gets "cramped up" at the bottom.
[16:29] <flan_suse> Upon closing the music app, or disconnecting from the network, etc,... it will "hover" above the panel again.
[16:29] <flan_suse> This never happens if I place my panel on the top; only when it's on the bottom.
[16:30] <flan_suse> It appears to be an issue when the menu height changes.
[16:30] <flan_suse> As if it was coded to properly re-adjust when using a top panel, but gets confused if it's on the bottom.
[16:31] <flan_suse> It's like pixel (0,0) is on the top of the menu rather than the bottom of the menu.
[16:32] <flan_suse> Fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[16:33] <GridCube> flan_suse, never noticed that
[16:33] <GridCube> though to be honest i never use that thing
[16:33] <flan_suse> You can reproduce it easily.
[16:34] <flan_suse> It's not only the sound menu. Same issue with the network menu or anything that uses xfce4-indicator-plugin
[16:34] <flan_suse> Such as disabling wireless (changes the height of the menu), same glitch happens.
[16:34] <GridCube> no, never seen that isue
[16:34] <flan_suse> I have a hunch this problem goes unnoticed because Xubuntu defaults with a top panel.
[16:35] <elfy> flan_suse: as I said I've been using this for months and not seen an issue - and if I had I would have said something
[16:35] <flan_suse> elfy: GridCube: what happens if you repeat the steps I described above?
[16:35] <GridCube> sorry flan_suse i can not replicate the issue
[16:36] <flan_suse> GridCube: So it re-adjusts properly when you repeat the steps?
[16:36] <GridCube> yes
[16:36] <elfy> I've not got wireless - but doing anything with the various indicators I get no issue
[16:36] <flan_suse> What could be the cause?
[16:36] <flan_suse> This is a fresh install (not upgrade) of Xubuntu 14.04 LTS.
[16:41] <elfy> flan_suse: you could try removing the panel config in .config/xfce4
[16:42] <flan_suse> elfy: I'll try. Need to disconnect and rejoin. BRB
[16:48] <flan_suse> Nope. Removing .config/xfce4/panel made no difference.
[16:50] <elfy> flan_suse: really no idea I'm afraid, not seen it here and you're the first one I've heard tell off - perhaps report it - add the image to the bug report
[16:51] <flan_suse> How would I describe it you think?
[16:52] <flan_suse> xfce4-indicator-plugin glitches when menu height is resized?
[16:52] <flan_suse> Just not sure how to concisely word it to make sense.
[16:53] <elfy> that's why I suggest adding the screenie - I'd not worry to much about making the report concise - just the title
[16:54] <flan_suse> Okay
[17:12] <Tunix> VLC seems to have problems to terminate properly after playing a video. Is it just me or does someone else observe this behavior as well?
[17:21] <starrats> think I'm going to have to file a bug report concerning the 'frozen cursor' I'm having again, after a week of non-reezing of it.
 tried to report a bug on term with ubuntu-bug and get sent to a page/link that I don't understand what you folks want me or others to do!
[17:23] <knome> starrats, what was your ubuntu-bug command?
[17:24] <starrats> what do you mean by command?
[17:25] <knome> starrats, what did you write in the terminal?
[17:25] <starrats> nothing ot ther than ubuntu-bug
[17:25] <starrats> should add to that?
[17:26] <knome> did you follow the wizard?
[17:26] <xubuntu171> azx_get_response timeout at booting from live-usb
[17:26] <xubuntu171> what can i do?
[17:27] <starrats> yes and the wizard took me to a link
[17:27] <knome> starrats, ok. so what is your issue then?
[17:28] <starrats> this link:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze
[17:28] <knome> does it freeze completely, or just for a while?
[17:29] <starrats> frrezes completerly and the cursor turns in to a capital I
[17:30] <starrats> at the password screen
[17:30] <starrats> in the little password window and will not let me put my pw in
[17:31] <xubuntu171> read about disabling hd audio in BIOS - but can't find a comparable setting?? any other suggestions?
[17:31] <starrats> thought this was fixed because all last week it was working like a charm
[17:34] <knome> starrats, okay... can you login to the machine via ssh from some other machine, or is it your only one?
[17:34] <knome> starrats, or alternatively, does the TTY's work?
[17:35] <xubuntu171> I'm siiinging in the rain
[17:35] <starrats> I have no other computer and TTY's is what?  ctrl/alt/F1
[17:36] <knome> starrats, yes, can you access a TTY, or is the computer completely frozen?
[17:38] <astojo> hello, all.  stupid question:  has anyone had any problems customizing their menu with menulibre?
[17:39] <knome> astojo, please be more specific; what exactly+
[17:39] <astojo> it seems rather limited, even if i run as root... not as easy to customize my menu as with alacarte in the past.
[17:39] <knome> you shouldn't run it as root.
[17:40] <knome> astojo, you still haven't told us what it is missing
[17:41] <astojo> I only tried root bc with a vanilla, stock install, it would allow me to select the "hide from menus" option.
[17:41] <starrats> I accessed the TTY and I got my login but it would not let me login, even though I had the correct login name and password, but yes the TTY worked
[17:41] <astojo> every time i did, and then tried to select something, else, it asked me to save, then never did anything once I did.
[17:41] <knome> astojo, i still don't understand... you do not need to run as root
[17:42] <knome> astojo, try using the save button before you select something else to make sure
[17:42] <knome> astojo, then wait for a while for the menus to see the change and open a menu to see if it's hidden
[17:43] <knome> starrats, are you sure you can't log in from the TTY?
[17:44] <astojo> strangely, nothing happens when I click save.  It still asks me to do so once I click other menus, and I agree to at the prompt, and still, no change.
[17:44] <knome> astojo, no change in what menulibre shows or the actual menu?
[17:44] <astojo> the actual menu.
[17:45] <knome> astojo, which xubuntu version are you running?
[17:46] <starrats> well my login name is my real name and my password is correct and it asked me 3 times to login
[17:46] <astojo> trusty.  vanilla install, basically, except I added full libreoffice and run compton to stop screen tearing.
[17:47] <knome> astojo, can you run menulibre form the terminal and see if it gives you any output when you are trying to save the items?
[17:47] <starrats> knome my loging name is what I see at startup correct?
[17:48] <starrats> when i put my password in
[17:48] <knome> starrats, no... your login is the "username" part in  /home/username/
[17:48] <astojo> even on startup, it's throwing "warning: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket"
[17:48] <starrats> I ah ok
[17:48] <knome> astojo, that might be irrelevant..
[17:48] <starrats> will try again
[17:49] <astojo> okay, just thought i'd mention it.  "PermissionError: permission denied" when I try to save.
[17:50] <knome> astojo, okay... then running menulibre as root probably has broken it for you
[17:50] <astojo> maybe that one time i tried root, i screwed it up.
[17:51] <knome> astojo, remove/backup ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu and everything in ~/.local/share/applications
[17:51] <d[0]g> hey peeps
[17:51] <knome> astojo, then try again.
[17:51] <d[0]g> my servers ant booting at boot
[17:51] <d[0]g> aint*
[17:51] <d[0]g> init.d not working in 14.04 sup ?
[17:51] <mapp> hey
[17:51] <d[0]g> oi
[17:51] <mapp> hmm
[17:51] <d[0]g> sudo update-rc.d snmpd enable
[17:51] <d[0]g> update-rc.d: warning:  start runlevel arguments (none) do not match snmpd Default-Start values (2 3 4 5)
[17:51] <d[0]g> update-rc.d: warning:  stop runlevel arguments (none) do not match snmpd Default-Stop values (0 1 6)
[17:51] <d[0]g>  Enabling system startup links for /etc/init.d/snmpd ...
[17:51] <d[0]g>  Removing any system startup links for /etc/init.d/snmpd .
[17:51] <astojo> as root, it looks completely different, and is missing non-categorized items, btw.  Such as "Xubuntu Website", Help, etc.
[17:51] <mapp> they changed somethng with init.d i thought
[17:52] <d[0]g> still they dont get iitialized at boot
[17:52] <knome> astojo, that's probably because it loads the menu for the root user.
[17:52] <d[0]g> what is going on
[17:52] <d[0]g> ?
[17:52] <knome> astojo, as i said, you shouldn't run it as root
[17:52] <knome> d[0]g, please use pastebin for multiline pastes.
[17:52] <d[0]g> im sorry
[17:52] <d[0]g> u knwo anything related to ths issue
[17:52] <SunilJoshi> Hello, I am facing changing Cursor themes in Xubuntu14.04
[17:52] <astojo> can i change menulibre
[17:52] <d[0]g> snmpd sendmail apache etc aint booting at startup
[17:52] <mapp> na not sure;/
[17:53] <astojo> ** 's permissions for that?
[17:53] <SunilJoshi> After changing the theme, its not applied fully
[17:55] <knome> astojo, change menulibre?
[17:55] <knome> SunilJoshi, even after reboot?
[17:55] <knome> starrats, can you log in from TTY now?
[17:56] <SunilJoshi> knome: I have not rebooted, do we need to reboot just to change a mouse cursor? :o
[17:56] <astojo> sorry, i meant change back the permissions for the necessary files
[17:56] <d[0]g> any one having this issue to
[17:57] <knome> astojo, i guess you can try if chowning them to your user helps.
[17:57] <knome> astojo, i would just remove them to make sure everything is as it should.
[17:57] <knome> d[0]g, it might be better to ask in #ubuntu-server
[17:57] <d[0]g> let me go ther then
[17:58] <d[0]g> but if they discover im running xubuntu
[17:58] <d[0]g> they tell me to f#$% off
[17:58] <astojo> remove them altogether?  I meant the specified files that the permission denied output referred to.
[17:58] <starrats> yes and no, lol Ican loging and thank you knome for that little info but once I get to the line ~s I don't know what to type in next sorry, have always worked with gui and still getting the hang of term, I'm a noobie an d not afraid to admit it.
[17:59] <SunilJoshi> knome: yes after even a restart its.. like that :(
[17:59] <starrats> the line is like brian@brian,,,,,~s
[17:59] <knome> astojo, well you can copy them to some other place for a while to see if the problem is the file permissions (which it looks like)
[17:59] <knome> starrats, ok, remember that page you were forwarded to?
[18:00] <astojo> oh, right.  trying that now.
[18:00] <starrats> yes
[18:00] <starrats> brian@brian-Satellite-L775D:~$
[18:01] <starrats> that's what I get after login
[18:01] <knome> starrats, run these commands in the shell:
[18:01] <starrats> ok
[18:01] <knome> starrats, dmesg >dmesg.txt
[18:01] <starrats> okay
[18:02] <knome> starrats, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log >Xorg.0.log
[18:02] <knome> starrats, cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_error_state   (if you have an intel GPU)
[18:02] <knome> starrats, sorry, the last one should be:
[18:02] <knome> starrats, cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_error_state >915_error_state
[18:03] <knome> starrats, does the freeze happen every time or are you able to log in to the graphical mode?
[18:04] <starrats> I have been getting basck on via the gui
[18:05] <starrats> was trying to send you a pm on that concerning changing my desktop theme, from photo worked fine, your image, did not work and now back to photo, is working again
[18:06] <knome> starrats, ok, so now log in to the graphical mode.
[18:07] <starrats> ah ok brb
[18:11] <delt> running 64bit now, most of my stuff is working great
[18:11] <delt> oh, desktop...haven't solved the laptop lid thing
[18:12] <astojo> knome, i got it kind-of-working, but it still does wacky things whenever I make a change, like put extra, new launchers for below "log out".  would it work if I just installed alacarte and purged menulibre?  If not, I may have to give whisker a second chance.
[18:12] <knome> astojo, alacarte should work as it has worked so far.
[18:12] <knome> astojo, though if menulibre does unexpected things, would be helpful if you could file bugs against it
[18:12] <astojo> perfect.  thank you for your help.  i appreciate it.
[18:13] <knome> astojo, no problem
[18:13] <astojo> i'm thinking the wacky things are related to me trying to run is as root upon first difficulties, but i certainly can, and did when it crashed.
[18:14] <knome> astojo, removing the files i told you should have fixed all issues related to running root, but yeah.. you can always run menulibre from the terminal and see if it still throws permission denied -errors
[18:15] <astojo> it stopped throwing them after i did that, but then started "gtk-CRITICAL: gtk_tree_model_get_iter: assertion 'path->depth > 0 failed"
[18:16] <astojo> ... which doesn't sound like a show stopper.  feel like i've seen that before.
[18:16] <knome> astojo, dunno. file a bug :)
[18:16] <knome> the menulibre developer is active, we just got in the first batch of fixes after 14.04
[18:17] <astojo> hmm, guess i'll have to.  thanks again.
[18:18] <starrats> knome, it was still freezing, took me 2 times to get logged in on gui, don't what i did wrong on those commands you gave me or what but I wrote them down.  BTW the TTY did not work when I was trying to login
[18:19] <knome> starrats, umm, so were you able to run the commands on a TTY when the freeze happened?
[18:20] <d[0]g> nomodeset
[18:20] <d[0]g> ^
[18:20] <d[0]g> at boot
[18:20] <d[0]g> might be the thing
[18:21] <starrats> NO the trl/alt/F1 did not work, had to do a hard shutdown to reboot
[18:21] <starrats> ctrl
[18:21] <starrats> twice
[18:22] <starrats> this is what was happening durin the pre-release also, if you remember
[18:22] <knome> starrats, right... then i don't know if a bug report will be very helpful
[18:22] <knome> starrats, if the same machine has worked with previous versions, it shouldn't really be about nomodeset either
[18:23] <starrats> ah ok I will continue working on it on my end, hoping that it will go away
[18:23] <starrats> I never got a previous version of xubuntu working when setting up a dual boot
[18:24] <knome> starrats, right, then i guess you could try the nomodeset option
[18:24] <knome> !nomodeset
[18:36] <starrats> I will try that knome
[19:05] <nhoj> Does xfwm compositor provide for anything other than window manager appearance, i.e., to enhance performance for other programs?
[19:06] <knome> how would any compositor ever enhance performance?
[19:06] <nhoj> The compositor reportedly causes tearing in Chromium.
[19:07] <nhoj> knome, I think your question means that it is useless for anything else. Correct?
[19:07] <knome> yes, the compositor is used for enhancing the looks
[19:08] <knome> if you don't need it or want it, drop it
[19:08] <nhoj> knome, thanks, my suspicion is confirmed ;)
[19:18] <damiank> Artemis updating fixed the memory problems here, so it seems i had an old beta, sorry for that :)
[19:18] <damiank> now swap is zero
[19:20] <Pici> Artemis the spaceship thing?
[19:30] <strika> Hi. Installing new Xubuntu, here.
[19:30] <damiank> strika: hi, good luck
[19:31] <damiank> anyone knows how to use a samsung galaxy with xubuntu?
[19:31] <strika> Thanks. I don't think I need luck to complete the installation, though. :)
[19:31] <damiank> which is the best approach to have contacts synced?
[19:32] <damiank> strika: well install here went great, problems arised later, but that was with the beta, now works great
[19:52] <delt> what's the package to install for the unity desktop?
[19:53] <nhoj> apt-cache policy unity
[19:56] <delt> that tells me the stable version is 7.2.0 and not 8?
[19:56] <delt> oops
[19:59] <delt> now i have 'unity' installed but it's not listed on the login screen's menu of possible desktops...
[20:02] <nhoj> some gossip:  https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1965789&ei=M3lVU_v8NqaW2QXWpYGYAQ&usg=AFQjCNHNkOPAko1VsQX0NV2DeUhbpRt_Qw&sig2=qHBCTLK7EwUhsQrVGEx1zA&bvm=bv.65177938,d.b2I
[20:03] <delt> thanks
[20:04] <delt> ah, got it: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[20:07] <nhoj> some historical caveats, e.g. "This can cause a poor experience. You should install ubuntu-desktop to get a well working unity, and that might still mess with your xfce files (a tiny amount), since xfce reads gnome's startup list. –  Syzygy May 23 '12 at 16:14
[20:11] <delt> nhoj: thanks for the info
[20:33] <delt> hmm... now text becomes all blurry in unity. it gets readable when i hover my mouse over it, but then fades out again.... might be related to nividia driver?
[20:34] <knome> delt, you would need to ask #ubuntu
[20:34] <delt> knome: right, thanks
[20:40] <dooglus> hi guys.  my network manager icon has recently vanished from the notification area.  it was there after I upgraded to 14.04, but disappeared a day or two later.  have you seen this problem?
[20:41] <dooglus> more details: http://askubuntu.com/a/452353/45642
[20:43] <delt> hmm... now there's a 5-10 second delay when i press alt+f2 before the "run program" box appears
[20:43] <nhoj> dooglus, I have no direct approach but using Settings -> Panel -> Items may show what kind of conflicts there are perhaps from the upgrade.
[20:44] <brainwash> delt: known issue caused by the overlay scrollbar module
[20:44] <delt> overlay...scrollbar.....module?
[20:45] <delt> what's that? :D
[20:45] <brainwash> didn't your scrollbars change after installing ubuntu-desktop?
[20:45] <delt> not in xfce...
[20:46] <delt> using the "greybird" theme
[20:46] <delt> no process matching "overlay" or "scroll"....
[20:47] <delt> ah, i see the packages overlay-scrollbar - Scrollbar overlay
[20:47] <delt> same for gtk2 and gtk3
[20:47] <delt> ...so how do these work exactly, and what do they do?
[20:49] <brainwash> ask the ubuntu guys
[20:50] <brainwash> here's the bug report bug 1048805
[20:51] <delt> brainwash: oh yeah, i see the overlay scrollbar thing
[20:52] <delt> it's rather annoying in fact :3
[20:52] <delt> so can i uninstall the overlay packages without affecting the rest of the system?
[20:53] <brainwash> ofc
[20:54] <brainwash> or you can disable them for the xubuntu session
[20:54] <brainwash> if you want them in unity
[20:54] <delt> ok yeah better idea =)
[20:54] <delt> from the control panel?
[20:55] <delt> or config file?
[20:55] <brainwash> config file, see bug 1239018
[20:59] <delt> brainwash: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99disable-overlay any good?
[20:59] <brainwash> should be fine
[21:04] <delt> brainwash: logged out and back in, still enabled :(
[21:04] <delt> reboot?
[21:06] <delt> also there's a several-second delay when xfce starts up, that i can't use my assigned keys to start programs
[21:06] <dooglus> nhoj: which panel item usually shows the nm-applet icon?  isn't it the notification area?  where I still see pidgin and such?
[21:06] <delt> must be a similar issue
[21:07] <dooglus> here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Pt636uk.png -- I have the notification area showing - just no network stuff is in it
[21:07] <delt> brainwash: *duh*
[21:07] <delt> [pts/21][user@phobos]:~$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[21:07] <delt> ubuntustudio
[21:07] <delt> not xubuntu
[21:07] <delt> little modification to that script =)
[21:07] <nhoj> dooglus, If I right click on the network icon, it shows "Indicator Plugin" which is listed in Items.
[21:08] <dooglus> huh
[21:08] <dooglus> I don't see that in the list of things I can add
[21:08] <dooglus> can you find what package provides it?
[21:09] <dooglus> nhoj: someone else suggestd that I should add it - but here's a screenshot of me trying: http://i.imgur.com/ZA5xe1B.png
[21:09] <nhoj> xfce4-indicator-plugin -- apt-file search indicator-plugin
[21:09] <dooglus> "sudo apt-get install xfce4-indicator-plugin" ty
[21:10] <dooglus> isn't a dependancy of xfce...
[21:11] <nhoj> indicator Plugin is available from the Panel: add new items menu on my 14.04
[21:11] <delt> brainwash: now my keyboard shortcuts don't work anymore :/
[21:12] <delt> [pts/0][user@phobos]:~$ echo $LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR
[21:12] <delt> 0
[21:12] <delt> environment variable has been set
[21:12] <brainwash> no clue
[21:13] <brainwash> not working at all?
[21:13] <brainwash> try "xfsettingsd --replace"
[21:14] <nhoj> dooglus, apt-cache policy xfce4-indicator-plugin
[21:14] <dooglus> nhoj: that kind of worked for a few seconds - it looks bad - http://i.imgur.com/HfBMSgC.png - and after a few seconds it disappears and a message: "Plugin "Indicator Plugin" unexpectedly left the panel, do you want to restart it?"
[21:14] <dooglus> "The plugin restarted more than once in the last 60 seconds. If you press Execute the panel will try to restart the plugin otherwise it will be permanently removed from the panel."
[21:16] <dooglus> nhoj: Installed: 2.3.2-0ubuntu2
[21:16] <nhoj> dooglus, seems to be installed now -- how about logging out to restart xfce4
[21:16] <dooglus> ok
[21:17] <hellpe> hello
[21:18] <hellpe> I've just upgraded to Xubuntu Trusty and the messaging menu icon just showed up on my system tray
[21:18] <dooglus> nhoj: it didn't crash yet after logging out and back in
[21:18] <dooglus> nhoj: but it doesn't respect nah theme choice
[21:18] <dooglus> my*
[21:18] <hellpe> I would like to use it as a way to see if I've got new mail, but it only lights up when I'm launching my e-mail client
[21:19] <hellpe> is there a way to make it check my mail without opening Geary or Thunderbird ?
[21:19] <brainwash> hellpe: no
[21:19] <hellpe> basically like xfce mailwatch
[21:19] <nhoj> dooglus, the theme choice may obscure the icon depending on the background and icon set -- kinda tricky that.
[21:19] <brainwash> it's only an indicator, so you need to keep thunderbird running in the background
[21:20] <hellpe> brainwash, ok
[21:20] <brainwash> dooglus: you have to use a theme which supports gtk2 and gtk3
[21:20] <hellpe> that doesn't look very useful to me this way though
[21:21] <dooglus> is this new for ubuntu 14.04?  is there a way to get the old behaviour back where it just worked?
[21:21] <pandragon>   /join #inkscape
[21:21] <brainwash> hellpe: you can continue using the mailwatch plugin and uninstall the indicator
[21:21] <hellpe> brainwash, okay, I didn't know you could uninstall it
[21:22] <hellpe> I've tried to hide it but the tickboxes won't work
[21:22] <brainwash> dooglus: the indicator-plugin is now built against gtk3
[21:22] <nhoj> dooglus, does the network icon in the indicatory plugin work?  eg Show the connection info?
[21:22] <hellpe> perhaps I should report that
[21:22] <brainwash> hellpe: after a relog it will be hidden
[21:23] <dooglus> that indicator plugin thing doesn't seem to work very well.  I want to hide everything except the nm-applet, but the checkboxes don't work
[21:23] <Guest16246> <14.04 upgrade> How do I get the "action buttons" hibernate to actually work? It is grayed out.
[21:23] <dooglus> weird that they're put this in an LTS release
[21:23] <hellpe> brainwash, I mean I can't even tick in the boxes
[21:23] <hellpe> when I'm clickong on those they stay empty
[21:23] <hellpe> clicking*
[21:23] <brainwash> hellpe: that's odd
[21:23] <brainwash> are you using a "strange" theme? :)
[21:26] <xubuntudpb> <14.04 upgrade> How do I get the "action buttons" hibernate to actually work? It is grayed out.
[21:27] <hellpe> brainwash, only the SHimmer default theme
[21:28] <brainwash> hellpe: try to reproduce this problem with a new user account
[21:28] <nhoj> dooglus, it seems that the indicator plugin is used for unity apps.  In this case network-manager-gnome provides nm-applet which uses the indcator plugin on the panel.  Not sure but this seems the way it is.
[21:28] <delt> aaah, now i got my fast, snappy xfce desktop back :D
[21:29] <brainwash> delt: why do you use the ubuntustudio session?
[21:29] <hellpe> brainwash, in this case I guess I should create a new one
[21:31] <delt> brainwash: as opposed to what?
[21:31] <delt> i'm running ubuntu studio
[21:31] <brainwash> you know, this is the xubuntu channel :)
[21:32] <xubuntudpb> <14.04 xubuntu upgrade> How do I get the "action buttons" hibernate to actually work? It is grayed out.
[21:32] <xubuntudpb> Hibernate works
[21:33] <brainwash> xubuntudpb: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/enable-hibernate-ubuntu-14-04/
[21:33] <Chorca> uuuuugh i'm so done with ubuntu and bluetooth
[21:34] <Chorca> This "Unable to select SEP" thing has been around forever
[21:37] <nhoj> dooglus, http://xflinux.blogspot.ca/2011/01/get-ubuntu-like-indicator-applets-and.html
[21:43] <dooglus> thanks nhoj
[21:43] <nhoj> dooglus, enjoy!
[21:45] <dooglus> nhoj: it just seems to eep crashing randomly, thr config panel doesn't work, and all in all it seems half-done
[21:45] <dooglus> this is an ubuntu thing, right  not xfce?  so if I go back to debian it'll be good again?
[21:46] <dooglus> keep*
[21:46] <dooglus> not eep
[21:49] <nhoj> dooglus, have you installed xubuntu:  try lsb_release -a
[21:49] <dooglus> I installed ubuntu and xfce
[21:49] <dooglus> not xubuntu
[21:49] <nhoj> ouch!
[21:49] <dooglus> "Description:Ubuntu 14.04 LTS"
[21:49] <nhoj> well, that is not xubuntu eh
[21:50] <dooglus> no
[21:50] <nhoj> take a run over to #ubuntu or #xfce and get some more help
[21:51] <knome> nhoj, fyi, there is no such thing as "Xubuntu" in lsb_release -a
[21:51] <Chorca> to be fair, I just ran that on my clean Xubuntu 14.04 install and mine says Ubuntu too
[21:51] <nhoj> we are working on xubuntu here -- not ubuntu with xfce4 desktop
[21:51] <dooglus> not sure there's much difference
[21:51] <knome> nhoj, no need to get exclusive...
[21:51] <knome> dooglus, well, there are differences for sure, but we *might* be able to help
[21:52] <nhoj> knome, sorry, not exclusive, he is having trouble with ubuntu I think as xfce4 is installed so I thought he might get some more help there as well.
[21:53] <dooglus> they sent me here...
[21:53] <dooglus> #ubuntu is for unity support really
[21:53] <knome> i haven't seen a specific error that we can help with, yet
[21:53] <knome> "keeps crashing" isn't helpful
[21:53] <knome> and what is "the config panel"?
[21:54] <knome> and how does it "not work"?
[21:54] <nhoj> :) good!  How are we doing? The indicator plugin or the nm-applet seems to be the problem
[21:55] <dooglus> sorry - there's a real shortage of cell towers in this country
[21:55] <dooglus> I keep losing service
[21:56] <nhoj> knome, I think I will leave dooglus and the network/panel alone.  Tracked some issues but don't know how to proceed.
[21:57] <dooglus> by the "config panel" I meant what I see when I right-click an indicator plugin icon and select "properties"
[21:57] <dooglus> sometimes when I do that, I see the properties window for half a second, and then "Plugin "Indicator Plugin" unexpectedly left the panel, do you want to restart it?", "The plugin restarted more than once in the last 60 seconds. If you press Execute the panel will try to restart the plugin otherwise it will be permanently removed from the panel."
[21:57] <dooglus> with options to 'execute' or 'remove'
[21:58] <nhoj> dooglus, I am not able to continue at this time.
[21:58] <dooglus> other times the properties panel stays up, and I can check and uncheck boxes to hide and show elements - but that does nothing.  other times I can try to check and uncheck the boxes, but they won't change
[21:58] <dooglus> ok
[22:03] <dooglus> if I killall xfce4-panel then run it in a terminal, I see a lot of output like:
[22:03] <dooglus> init: indicator-messages main process ended, respawning
[22:03] <dooglus> init: indicator-bluetooth main process ended, respawning
[22:03] <dooglus> init: indicator-power main process ended, respawning
[22:04] <dooglus> as does this guy: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009971.html
[22:05] <dooglus> and the issue with the checkboxes not working seems to be point 6 here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-April/009968.html
[22:41] <pandragon> Will inkscape 0.48.4 run in Xubuntu 12.04? The repository only has -3 and it won't compile, various errors. The trunk version launch with ' internal error'. TIA!
[22:51] <knome> pandragon, have you tried https://launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/+archive/stable ?
[22:52] <pandragon> yes, could not find file, the Precise version I think
[22:52] <knome> you "think"?
[22:54] <Unit193> It's there.
[23:02] <pandragon> I am trying again. Let you know shortly
[23:07] <enmarei> For the third time now my computer spontaneously turned off. Thoughts?
[23:08] <Unit193> enmarei: Check logs in /var/log/, and just to make sure I'd dust out the computer.
[23:10] <pandragon> That ppa apears to be inkscape-trunk which on launch gives 'internal error.'
[23:10] <knome> pandragon, what happens with the stable PPA?
[23:11] <pandragon> The stable ppa is -3
[23:11] <knome> says "0.48.4" to me
[23:12] <pandragon> How are you getting that?
[23:12] <knome> looking at https://launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/+archive/stable
[23:23] <pandragon> As far as I can tell ppa:inkscape.dev/stable loads trunk-gtk3 which also give an 'internal error' on launch
[23:30] <peyam> Hi
[23:30] <peyam> All I see when IO resume from suspend is a black screen
[23:30] <peyam> IS it a known bugg?
[23:32] <Unit193> Yes.
[23:32] <peyam> what to do then?
[23:32] <Unit193> Restart Lightdm from a TTY.
[23:33] <pandragon> knome, I don't think I have gtk3 installed, version appears to be 2.24.10-Oubuntu6.1
[23:34] <peyam> Unit193, should I do it everytime?
[23:34] <peyam> Unit193, " sudo lightdm start" it is right?
[23:35] <pandragon> Correction I do have libgtk-3-0 version 3.4.2-Oubuntu0.8
[23:35] <Unit193> No, and I don't have the bug number in front of me nor have I been tracking it, so that's just what I did the one time it happened.
[23:35] <peyam> yes. since 13.10 u had gtk3 i believe
[23:36] <knome> pandragon, and you sure you are running the version from the PPA?
[23:36] <peyam> Unit193, so do I need to google it now or ur solution works?
[23:36] <pandragon> Only place I got it from.
[23:36] <Unit193> One of the first results: bug #1307114
[23:37] <knome> pandragon, anything else on the terminal when you try to run it?
[23:37] <pandragon> Just the internal error msg
[23:41] <peyam> Unit193, many solutions.. too time consuming for me and im not totally positive they will work. updating the kernel can be a good idea you think?
[23:41] <Unit193> It's a good idea to run updates from a security standpoint, but that won't help this at all.
[23:42] <peyam> hmm
[23:43] <peyam> Unit193, but since you restart the lightdm, have you had problems ?
[23:49] <peyam> Unit193, what about using a an other driver than the open source one for the graphics
[23:49] <Unit193> peyam: Stop randomly guessing, either read the bug report or don't.
[23:50] <peyam> Unit193, nothing useful there
[23:50] <peyam> I leave