valorieRiddell: thanks06:25
lordievaderGood morning.06:55
* apachelogger thinks all software should simply exit with "subprocess returned error exit status 1"07:31
apacheloggerit increases debugging speed by about 300%07:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: bug 130945807:56
ubottubug 1309458 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "[kubuntu] ubiquity installer crashes when clicking release notes link with non-US locale" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130945807:56
apacheloggertoday is tuesday but it feels a lot like monday looking at my WTF counter07:59
jussiapachelogger: because peoplem in sane countries were not at work yesterday :D07:59
valoriewhat is the holiday on Monday?07:59
* valorie lives in an insane country08:00
jussiEaster monday!08:00
jussiwe have a 4 day weekend for easter :)08:00
apacheloggerit's when you try to get sober enough for work08:00
valorieso I heard08:00
jussiyeah, otherwise known as "recovery day"08:00
* valorie didn't have enough mimosas to need sobering up08:01
apacheloggersounds like a bug08:01
apachelogger"The Richer You Are, The Longer You'll Live"08:02
apacheloggerlinkedin sure knows how to send me mails that sound like spam, look like spam and smell like spam08:03
valorielinkedin sends out something that *isn't* spam?08:04
apacheloggerI wouldn't know, never seen anything that isn't08:05
apacheloggerbug 1310620 much wow08:05
ubottubug 1310620 in gwenview (Ubuntu) "Gwenview crashes while zooming in at high resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131062008:05
apacheloggerthat image is exciting 255 mib in size08:06
valorieso while y'all were off recovering, the baloo issue has blown up like a balloon08:07
valoriethat image is of a painting I saw in Madrid!08:08
valorieI could hardly bear to leave it08:09
apacheloggervalorie: was that a pun, sounds like a pun08:09
apacheloggervalorie: what issue?08:09
valoriesome people's system being overloaded08:10
valorieof course, the bigger issue is that rather than filing bugs, they are shouting "dictator' and shit like that08:11
valorieI was unable to get anybody to file a bug08:11
apacheloggermustn't be that big an issue then08:12
* valorie doesn't want vishesh to get discouraged08:12
apacheloggerlet's not tell him :P08:12
* apachelogger notes that there's still unhandled exceptions in baloo08:13
valorieunfortunately, i think he reads kde-devel and the comments on his blog and G+08:13
apacheloggerthe secret is to not read anything other than mails sent to one directly08:13
valoriethis is my default when life gets too stressful08:14
valorieit was quite fun to provide some support the first two nights after release08:17
valoriereally most problems were from upgrades with odd PPAs left enabled, etc.08:18
apacheloggeragateau: bug 1310620 .. very reproducible, it crashes in libjpeg though so I guess that's out of scope08:18
ubottubug 1310620 in gwenview (Ubuntu) "Gwenview crashes while zooming in at high resolution" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131062008:18
apacheloggervalorie: that should not happen :O08:19
apacheloggerall ppas are disabled on upgrades08:19
apacheloggerunless you mean with old packages from old ppas ^^08:19
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valorienot sure, there was some "noobie something" ppa that seemed to have pinned a bunch of apps08:20
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1265897] 14.04 Alpha-1 Plasma Netbook Interface has no Web Browser favorite @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1265897 (by Marco Parillo)08:24
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1309494] package kdm 4:4.11.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa2 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: su... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309494 (by bradleesargent)08:24
apacheloggerwe still don't have 14.10 milestones :@08:27
apacheloggervalorie: ppas cannot pin apps unless they provide higher versions than what is in the archive (which is certainly a possibility and xorg-edgers likes to do that a lot ;))08:28
valoriethat could have been; somebody else had taken over helping that person08:29
valorieI just saw the paste08:29
apacheloggerScottK: bug 1310019 <- can we SRU a new package dependency?08:30
ubottubug 1310019 in ktouch (Ubuntu) "ktouch shows an empty home screen because org.kde.charts is missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131001908:30
apacheloggeror would a recommends be preferred?08:31
jussiso chromium is kinda borked in trusty :(08:42
valoriemek was saying that canonical made some changes that he thought were rather unsafe08:49
valorie"untested" I think is the word he used08:49
valoriejussi: what problem have you run into?08:50
agateauapachelogger: 254MB for a jpeg... wow08:50
valorieI run chromium, and so far, no probs08:50
* agateau downloads08:50
jussivalorie: where do I start... flash not working, delete and backspace not working, intermittently not able to enter text. 08:51
agateautime to switch to Kubuntu default browser... firefox :)08:51
valorieflash stopped working for a day, then started again08:51
apacheloggeryoutube review "I think dolphin is actually the only file manager gaining features."09:17
* apachelogger giggled a bit09:18
soeegood morning09:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: dafuq @ the ubiquity crash\09:43
shadeslayerhow does changing lang affect os.direxists09:43
apacheloggerit doesn't but according to official docs that function doesn't exist :P09:43
apacheloggerstill syncing image09:43
apacheloggerat 18kbps -.-09:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: https://docs.python.org/3.4/search.html?q=direxists&check_keywords=yes&area=default09:44
apacheloggerapparently one is supposed to use os.path09:44
apachelogger14.10 doesn't even have a name yet09:48
apacheloggerthis is all rather inconvenient09:48
apacheloggerwe should have taken the week off09:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65214-Blueshell-Firefox-KDE-Package-Error firefox-kde-support apparently not built on trusty09:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: requested builds09:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw can you make out why gwenview depends on baloo09:56
yofelimage tagging?09:56
shadeslayerbecause I don't see it being installed during the build, and we don't depend explicitly on it09:57
yofelor rating maybe09:57
shadeslayeryofel: sure, but we don't explicitly depend on it, so how does it end up being a dep?09:57
yofelhm indeed09:59
yofelshadeslayer: libbaloo*.symbols has a dependency on baloo defined10:08
yofelso anything that links against one of those will depend on baloo10:08
shadeslayerI see10:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: yofel so vHanda wants the baloo dep gone, any ideas how to proceed? since even if I remove the depends  from the symbols file, I'd have to rebuild all packages that build depend on baloo-dev10:13
vHandaI want the users to be able to remove baloo without dragging out the rest of KDE10:14
Riddellshadeslayer: why should the dep be gone?10:14
shadeslayercould explicitly set it to recommends10:14
vHandabecause it is a runtime dependency, which is *optional*.10:14
Riddellshadeslayer: or add it to the seed10:15
Riddellbut it'll need everything recompiled to change that depends10:16
* shadeslayer is annoyed at python10:21
shadeslayerstupid thing10:21
shadeslayercan't even copy a file10:22
apacheloggerthe baloo packaging must have an excitingly useful changelog if it doesn't even document implicit shlibdep abuse10:22
vHandaRiddell: shadeslayer : So what kind of ETA are we looking at?10:23
apachelogger6 months10:23
shadeslayerRiddell: apachelogger http://paste.kde.org/pbga1nvsr10:23
vHandaapachelogger: shadeslayer : You guys cannot change a simple depends for another 6 months?10:24
vHandasorry, let me rephrase that again10:24
vHandaand incorrect depends10:24
vHanda*an incorrect depends10:24
Riddellapachelogger: it's only half a dozen packages, and we have SRU exception for KDE SC so at worst when 4.13.1 goes in10:25
apacheloggerno because it's not a simple dependency but a circlejerk10:25
apacheloggerwho comes up with shit like that anyway?10:26
yofelit's implemented the same way as kde-runtime on libkdecore510:27
apacheloggerexplains who comes up with shit like that then10:27
yofeland the next SRU should fix it, right10:27
apacheloggergo debian!10:27
ghostcubewhere to?10:27
yofelinsanity? ^^10:28
ghostcubeah good point!10:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: Riddell https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/ubiquity/+merge/21669110:30
apacheloggerapt-cache rdepends baloo |tail -n +3 |grep -v baloo |wc -l10:30
apacheloggerRiddell: that's not half a dozen :P10:31
apacheloggerbut we have the favor of the gods of bullshit fixery and only actual SC packages are affected10:31
apacheloggereven so, that will require substantial adjustment10:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: reverse-depends -r trusty baloo only gives me 610:32
kubotushadeslayer meant: "apachelogger: reverse-depends -r trusty baloo only gives me 7"10:32
apacheloggerI am seeing kdepimsies libs10:32
apacheloggerwhich means all of kdepim will need adjusting10:32
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer, vHanda: I do believe this is wildly out of scope for stable updates10:32
shadeslayerwouldn't that mean just rebuilding kdepim?10:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: no, it means figuring out which thing that uses the pimsies library actually uses baloo and then add baloo as a recommends for that package10:33
apacheloggerand if you miss something then there'll be a bug report "random application you never heared off does not work!!eleven"10:34
apachelogger^ all of this is why implicit link dependency injectin is utter bullshit10:34
yofeluhm, wouldn't the current rdepend list be the one to add recommends to?10:35
yofelas that's the list of packages that use baloo in some way10:36
apachelogger^ that's not wrong and it's not right10:36
yofel(ok, unless we're talking about dbus, but that's not even correctly mapped even now)10:36
apacheloggera library that uses libbaloocore probably doesn't necessarily need baloo10:37
yofelah, true10:37
apacheloggeran application using that library also might or might not need baloo10:38
apacheloggerwhich is why I think this is out of scope10:38
apacheloggerit's random guessing without testing at best10:38
vHandait doesn't10:38
apacheloggervHanda: what doesn't?10:39
vHandathe 'baloo_file' and other processes are completely indepndent.10:39
vHandathe libraries do not require them.10:39
apacheloggervHanda: the baloo package also contains the akonadi stuff10:39
apacheloggerin fact it contains everything that is not strictly libbaloo*.so*10:39
vHandaCan you guys split it up so that the baloo_file executable can easily be removed?10:40
apacheloggernot for 14.0410:40
apacheloggeror maybe10:40
apacheloggerScottK: what's the sru team stance on introdcuing new dependencies?10:40
yofelnew deps are fine, new binaries... not so much10:41
apacheloggeryofel: the wiki page does not say anything about that :P10:42
apacheloggeractually, the only mention I see is WRT upstream releases "Note that some noise introduced by autoreconf is okay, but making structural changes to the build system (such as introducing new library dependencies) is generally not. "10:42
apacheloggerit's all much shitty10:42
apacheloggershadeslayer: please put down a card for 14.10 to remove the implicit linker bullshit from baloo and figure out dependencies proper10:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: and an SRU card for 14.04 to figure out how to get baloo_file as an optional dependency10:43
yofelwell, it makes sense in general. It's just that the KDE folks don't really consider dep and source layout stability to be a worthy point of point releases -.-10:43
* apachelogger remembers to cleanup the boards and sighs10:43
vHandaIs there any way to get it done faster?10:44
vHanda6 months is too long.10:44
apacheloggerthat depends on what course of action the sru team would like us to take10:44
apacheloggereither way the next ISOs are rolling in 4-6 months (14.04.1 and 14.10)10:45
apacheloggervHanda: best possible scenario we can push updates for 14.04 with 4.13.1 (which would be ~1.5 months with QA and everything)10:46
apacheloggerdue to the way the dependency is created to begin with a faster update is not an option unfortunately10:47
shadeslayerRiddell: apachelogger can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/ubiquity/+merge/21669110:49
apachelogger I do not have ubiquity review powers10:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: but do you think it looks alright?10:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: that also does not matter because I don't speak python well enough :P10:52
apacheloggerit certainly doesn't use nonexistant functions anymore :P10:53
shadeslayerwell, it works in my vbox10:53
vHandaapachelogger: splitting a package would require QA?10:56
apacheloggervHanda: oh, splitting might be faster10:56
apacheloggerstill needs a week of testing though10:56
apacheloggerthat's mandatory for all updates to stable releases10:56
Riddellshadeslayer: what's the difference between os.direxists and os.path.exists ?11:07
shadeslayerRiddell: there is no direxists on Python 3 >.>11:08
shadeslayeryeah ...11:08
* apachelogger doesn't want to look at muon crashers -.-11:09
BluesKaj'Morning all11:09
shadeslayerdriver manager ... wut11:13
apacheloggerI have no clue11:13
shadeslayermany crashes there11:13
apacheloggeroh 11:13
apacheloggerfails assert11:13
apachelogger    Q_ASSERT(m_transaction == nullptr);11:14
apacheloggerI think I know why11:14
apacheloggerI don't think I like it though11:14
apacheloggerloading loading loading xD11:15
apacheloggerso slow11:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://trello.com/c/4Jw6u7Fx11:16
shadeslayerwhat's that?11:16
apacheloggerkdeconnnect 0.6 is out apparently11:16
apacheloggeror someone claimed so anyway11:17
shadeslayerdon't see a tar11:17
apacheloggermaybe not out, but general question ^^11:17
apacheloggernot important right now11:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: I don't see how that backtrace happens11:17
shadeslayervHanda: http://paste.kde.org/p0oszucsz11:18
apacheloggeryou'd have to click apply twice in a row 11:18
apacheloggerbut it gets deactivated after first clicky11:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: try Apply and then OK ?11:18
apacheloggerno dice either11:18
apacheloggeractually the states are bugged there11:19
apacheloggerit calls disableui after the transactions have been setup11:19
apacheloggerI still don't see how you'd get two calls though11:20
apacheloggersince that is in the mainloop you probably could not cause two clicks anyway as the loop is blocked11:20
* shadeslayer ponders when 14.10 opens11:21
Riddellwhen it gets a name11:21
yofelmark is probably on easer vacation, come back next week11:21
apacheloggershould have given it a name before going on vacation -.-11:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: I thought we fixed https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/205be0085e711d8928ed136719b457bca28ca00a11:22
apacheloggerthis has many incarnations11:22
apacheloggeras you can see from the bt any old exception could cause it and there's no way of telling which :P11:22
shadeslayerI see11:23
shadeslayerso there's still some unhandled exceptions11:23
apacheloggerprobably only one though11:23
apacheloggergiven the reportyness11:23
apachelogger25 crashes after release is not very substantial11:23
* shadeslayer wonders if apport automatically sends reports after release11:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: true that11:24
shadeslayermost of them are from .9511:24
apacheloggershadeslayer: it should11:24
apacheloggerAFAIK that was the plan anyway11:24
apacheloggeri.e. instead of getting to report a bug you can send the crash data11:24
yofelwhoopsie should I believe11:24
apacheloggerwhich is the middleground between silly report dialog and no crash data after release11:25
apacheloggeryofel: whoopsie needs apport to first aggregate the crash11:25
apacheloggerif it doesn't then whoopsie has nothing to send11:25
yofelah, true that11:25
apacheloggershadeslayer: driver manager hates me :'<11:26
apacheloggerI now used the modifier key11:27
apacheloggerstill no crashy11:27
* apachelogger turns off polkit11:28
* apachelogger wonders how qaptworker got translations all of a sudden11:28
shadeslayerRiddell: thx for merging, are you also going to release?11:29
Riddellshadeslayer: well that's my next question11:29
Riddelloh but no xnox to ask it to11:29
Riddellshadeslayer: does this only affect !en_US?11:30
shadeslayerRiddell: I think it also affects en_US11:30
Riddellright, I'll update bug 130945811:31
ubottubug 1309458 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "[kubuntu] ubiquity installer crashes when clicking release notes link with non-US locale" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130945811:31
shadeslayermuch silliness from my side11:31
apacheloggermuch silly11:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: I think I refactored the ui disabling away11:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: am I missing something or did driver manager never lock the actual selection widgets?11:35
apacheloggeri.e. I can switch driver, click apply and continue to switch driver and click apply again11:36
apacheloggerand I don't see disabling code in earlier revisions11:36
shadeslayeryou are potentially correct11:36
apacheloggerall your fault, I knew it :P11:36
Riddelldo we want a u-series kickoff meeting?11:36
apacheloggerRiddell: yes, I'll send a mail about that soonishy11:37
* yofel notes he's on vacation this week11:37
apacheloggerRiddell: feel free to organize meeting though11:37
apacheloggerah and yes11:37
apacheloggerRiddell: earliest next week11:37
* apachelogger only has mail stuff about general work epics for the future11:37
apacheloggershadeslayer: the widgets are not part of a super widget? :O11:38
* apachelogger forgot all he knew already ^^11:39
apacheloggerapparently not ^^11:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: ok, I think I have a minimally invasive fix11:41
apacheloggerand I really think the kcm locked at some point11:42
apacheloggerperhaps that was before you introduced the widget class or something11:42
shadeslayerI recall it locking , but don't remember for sure11:42
shadeslayerbrb lunch11:42
* apachelogger branches trusty11:43
apacheloggerthere's more issues with that11:46
ScottKapachelogger: If it fixes a bug, sure.11:58
ScottKapachelogger: If depends is the technically correct relationship, then do that.11:59
apacheloggerok thanks11:59
apacheloggervHanda: ETA 1-2 weeks11:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: course of action for baloo SRU ... split indexer executable into own package, make baloo recommend the new package12:00
ScottKapachelogger: I don't think we should split it in an SRU.12:00
ScottKThat's a bit different.12:00
apacheloggerScottK: how so?12:01
ScottK1.  It's a packaging choice.  There's no bug that's being fixed.  2.  That means every single KDE user has to dist-upgrade instead of upgrade to end up with exactly the same thing they have now.  Seems like a lot of user annoyance for not much.12:02
ScottKAdditionally, baloo seems reasonably well behaved to me, so I'm not sure what we gain.12:02
apacheloggerScottK: the bug is that the indexers are not a required piece12:03
apacheloggerScottK: the other course of action is removing the bogus dependency injection in some 7 packages12:04
ScottKFile indexing can be turned off.12:04
ScottKPim indexing can't be, so you're stuck with that regardless.12:04
apacheloggervHanda: ^ pim indexing different?12:05
ScottKI don't see the difference between turning file indexing off and having it do nothing and removing it.12:05
apacheloggervHanda: ^ please make your argument12:05
apacheloggerScottK: I think vHanda is on lunchbreak though, best discuss this with him12:05
ScottKOddly, I'm making his argument on kde-devel.12:05
* apachelogger as usual understands both arguments but doesn't care either way :P12:06
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ScottKI've no issue with splitting things up in the development release, but unless the situation changes in 4.13.something, I don't see the point in changing what we have for the current release.12:06
Riddellbah, I can't get libreoffice to crash when testing bug 129051412:41
ubottubug 1290514 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129051412:41
ScottKapachelogger: I saw your bug for the driver manager, but I didn't see the package.  Did you upload it yet?12:53
apachelogger  Uploading kubuntu-driver-manager_14.04ubuntu8_source.changes: done.12:54
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.12:54
apacheloggerScottK: just now12:54
ScottKOK.  I'll have a look then.12:54
apacheloggerrelated autoreport https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/945085a4e972ad84a6076ed5abf7c6cba253b72c12:54
ScottKThere is is.12:54
ScottKit is12:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: I am pushing a trusty branch, please make sure to setup dpkg-mergechangelogs or you'll have a hard time merging branches ;)12:55
ScottKapachelogger: Accepted.12:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: ^ will need your testing plz12:58
apacheloggerI think I covered all cases, but you never know ^^12:58
* ScottK wonders if apol is the relevant Aleix in https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2014/StudentApplications/FlorisAndreiStoicaMarcu13:03
ScottK(GSoC project for Muon in Debian)13:03
apacheloggerI guess13:04
vHandaScottK: we were debating if the enable / disable button should be added. Another option is that we simply tell users to uninstall it.13:15
vHandacurrently they cannot do that as that would remove dolphin + pim + other packages13:16
ScottKvHanda: I read the discussion on kde-devel ML.13:16
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ScottKI think disable makes more sense.13:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: plz be wraping git entries at 80 chars13:17
ScottKIn any case, for Kubuntu 14.04, which has 4.13.0, we are constrained by policy in what changes we can make since it's already released to end users.13:17
ScottKvHanda: BTW, I quite like baloo with pim in 4.13.  13:17
vHandaScottK: but this would just be splitting it up.13:18
vHandaIs there some way you could ask for an exception?13:18
ScottKI could, but I'm not sure it's worth it.13:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: tell debcommit13:19
ScottKThe problem is that we'd then have to install a new package, which requires extra user interaction on the upgrade.13:19
ScottKSo we'd be inconveniencing/possibly confusing 100% of our users for the few that might want to uninstall the file indexer.13:19
vHandafor me it would since it would allow the compaliners to easily remove baloo13:19
vHandaand be done with it13:19
ScottKGenerically, I think a disable button/checkbox is better anyway.13:19
ScottKI understand the frustration.13:20
ScottKI think it's more natural to think in terms of turning things on/off than to uninstall packages to do so for most people.13:20
shadeslayerPlus I don't think there's a way to remove baloo via any GUI methods by default since we only ship with discover13:23
apacheloggeropinions on bug 1310828 welcome, nothing major13:23
ubottubug 1310828 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "The package "storageservicemanager" should be a dependency of Kmail" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131082813:23
ScottKapachelogger: Where do I find this greyed out U/I?13:27
apacheloggerScottK: kmail settings -> configure -> composer -> attachments tab -> bottom left button13:27
apacheloggerit allows you to automatically push attachments of considerable size to dropbox (for example) rather than attach directly, however the manager apparently can manage cloud stuff in general13:28
apacheloggere.g. create new folders and stuff13:28
ScottKapachelogger: I vote leave pim as is and add a thing in kubuntu-docs explaining you have to install the packages if you want this.13:29
ScottKvalorie: ^^^13:29
* shadeslayer thinks the storage manager thing is quite confusing13:30
apacheloggerthat's what I was whining about13:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: feel free to file improvements suggestions13:31
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1311105] KDE locks up at startup if window decorations changed from default. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1311105 (by Kyle)13:38
apacheloggerQuintasan: u got the sddm packaging stuffs?13:44
Quintasanapachelogger: I believe I do13:44
ScottKapachelogger: Are you OK with adding it to the docs, but not changing the package?13:47
Quintasanapachelogger: Yup, everything I did is on my HDD13:47
apacheloggerScottK: I doubt the docs would see translation, so I think we can just add it as known bug on the release page and move on14:30
apacheloggerat least that way it gets exposure14:30
apacheloggerQuintasan: please throw it up somewhere14:30
apacheloggerQuintasan: on a related note, it probably would be nice if you could try to update your packaging for inclusion in 14.10 once that opens development14:31
ScottKapachelogger: I'm not convinced it's a bug.  I think few enough people would use it that I don't know that it should be there by default.  Also, interaction with non-free web services tends to need a lot of maintenance when they change stuff, so I'm not sure we should take that on.14:39
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1311105] KDE locks up at startup if window decorations changed from default. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1311105 (by Kyle)14:39
Quintasanapachelogger: Sure thing.14:41
apacheloggerScottK: let's just not document it at all then ;)14:49
apacheloggeradding it to kubuntu-docs wouldn't really add value IMHO14:50
Quintasanapachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/sddm15:00
QuintasanIt's only copyright PITA atm15:00
Quintasanshadeslayer: Y U NO TELL ANYONE15:01
shadeslayerI am unsure how good that packaging is15:02
shadeslayerI think it's ~decent15:02
QuintasanBetter than what I currently have15:02
QuintasanWhy it's still not in Debian15:02
shadeslayerwell, fwiw I think that debian folder needs to be removed15:06
shadeslayerQuintasan: apachelogger can you see kdeconnect screenshots in muon now?15:07
shadeslayeror for that matter, any screenshots?15:07
Quintasanshadeslayer: nope15:07
Quintasando I have to update muon?15:08
shadeslayerQuintasan: can you see any screenshots?15:08
QuintasanDigkam give me a big X15:08
QuintasanNot at all15:08
shadeslayeryeah this is what I get http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/22/plasma-desktopjA2152.png15:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: no15:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: on that note, kde-sdk15:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah15:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: not possible at the moment15:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: I don't see no screenshots15:12
* apachelogger cries a river15:12
apacheloggershadeslayer: why not possible?15:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: at all?15:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: i.e. no packages have screenshots?15:12
apacheloggermight be my system tho15:12
shadeslayerdoubt it15:12
apacheloggermy muons is all kaputtly15:12
shadeslayerhappens here too15:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: not possible because s.d.n is still out of date15:12
apacheloggerwell yes15:12
apacheloggerpackage names you mean?15:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://screenshots.debian.net/about15:13
shadeslayer^^ still using saucy15:13
shadeslayercan poke maintainer15:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: would help I guess15:13
apacheloggerwas watching youtube reviews earlier, at least one had this shitty shitnotfound icon15:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: I think the serverside is bugged15:14
apacheloggernote the urls15:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: poked maintainer, waiting to hear back15:15
* apachelogger will head out soon15:16
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1311184] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1311184 (by Nathan Buckner)15:42
shadeslayerScottK: apachelogger what's the final decision wrt splitting out the file indexer into it's own package15:48
ScottKshadeslayer: Not for 14.04.  TBD for "U".16:24
ScottKshadeslayer: Also sort of depends on if vHanda puts the disable button on it or not.  I think that's the best solution, but it's up to him.16:24
shadeslayerScottK: he's still against it and wants distros to allow removing the file indexer16:27
ScottKIf there's no button, then I guess I'm fine with splitting it for "U".16:28
shadeslayerScottK: and users in 14.04 have no way to remove the file indexer then?16:35
shadeslayervHanda: ^^16:35
ScottKNo, but they can effectively disable it by removing home from what's indexed.16:36
shadeslayerapparently not enough for people :)16:36
ScottKThe alternative is to inconvenience 100% of the user base on upgrade where they have a more complicated upgrade scenario.16:36
ScottKSure.  There's no 100% satisfaction scenario here.16:37
shadeslayerScottK: http://paste.kde.org/psds4gbfj < any ideas why line 23 doesn't run properly?16:37
ScottKWhat's it do?16:38
shadeslayerScottK: dual building sddm with Qt4 and Qt516:38
ScottKRIght, but what's the problem?16:39
shadeslayerScottK: ^^16:39
ScottKshadeslayer: Put a "\" on the end of the previous line.16:39
shadeslayerScottK: can you explain what's going wrong there without the \ ?16:41
ScottKshadeslayer: In a make file each logical line is its own subshell.16:42
vHandaScottK: both ways, even if we add a disable button or not16:42
vHandathe split still makes sense16:42
vHandathere are users who want the ability to remove it16:42
vHandasaying for the next release, is equivalent to saying "no".16:43
ScottKvHanda: OK.  For future Kubuntu releases, I think that's fine.  I don't think it's reasonable to inconvenience 100% of our 12.04 users to accommodate those that want to remove it.16:43
vHandasince from the next release (Plasma Next), baloo will automatically be split up.16:43
ScottKvHanda: Next Kubuntu release (12.10, not next KDE release)16:43
vHandalarge parts of it are going to plasma-workspace, and the pim parts go in another repo16:43
vHandaI know, but they are the same thing, in terms of time.16:43
vHandaActually the next Plasma release is in August16:44
vHandaand yours is in October.16:44
ScottKI think it's up in the air if 12.10 will be KDE4 or KF5/Plasma2.16:44
ScottKThere will still be a KDE SC 4.14.16:45
ScottKshadeslayer: Did that make sense?16:47
ScottKvHanda: We could also make a PPA that people who want the split package so that they can remove the file indexer could use.  Then those that want it removed can do so without disturbing everyone else.16:48
vHandaScottK: both ways, I'm not sure if I'll even be making another Qt4 release of Baloo16:50
vHandaand the next release may just be the core parts of Baloo being Qt516:50
ScottKIf we do the PPA thing, I think it'll be a reasonable compromise.16:50
ScottKFWIW, I'm finding Baloo working quite nicely.16:51
shadeslayerScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7308354/ < still doesn't work I think16:53
shadeslayerline 177116:53
ScottKProbably needs a ; or something.16:56
shadeslayeryeah, trying that16:56
shadeslayeryep that works16:57
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sneleshadeslayer: sorry for oftopic, but font reneding on that muon-discover screenshot looks horible to me. isn't this better? http://www.dodaj.rs/?3j/22/fJwtRXv/snapshot34.png19:16
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