[02:38] <KyouReeUs4nfo> Ah sound works without pavucontrol and pulseaudio :)
[03:36] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: thank god,  right?
[03:44] <wxl> love that film.
[03:44] <wxl> oops wrong channel :)
[03:44] <wxl> usual suspects for the curious XD
[04:38] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: yeah, too much unnecessary (con)fusion with those two installed.
[04:40] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: well admittedly pulseaudio does work well, but it's just completely unnecessary. if you're going to give me an ADDITIONAL audio server, give me something like jack which is actually useful.
[04:43] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: Isn't jack used for recording, mixing, etc. ?
[04:43] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: yes, and that's what i mean by useful. it's useful to the person that uses it. i make sure to include jack on all my machines but that's because i do a bunch of audio work.
[04:44] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: usual suspects was a great movie, still is actually.
[04:44] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: yes but we'll save that for #lubuntu-offtopic ;)
[04:45] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: okay, let's commit.
[05:25] <ianorlin> how do I find out what resolution my intel onbaord graphics supports?
[05:25] <ianorlin> I am thinking of getting a new monitor
[05:28] <JohnDoe_71Rus> ianorlin: see xorg.0.log file
[05:37] <ianorlin> I want to know I can use the features of a monitor before I buy that just tells me my current resolution loaded
[08:15] <jables> I tried to install wine and I get the following:
[08:15] <jables> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[08:15] <jables> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:15] <jables>  libasound2-plugins:i386 : Depends: libasound2:i386 (>= 1.0.25) but it is not going to be installed
[08:15] <jables>  wine1.6-amd64 : Depends: wine1.6:any (= 1:1.6.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~precise1)
[08:15] <jables>  wine1.6-i386:i386 : Depends: libasound2:i386 (>= 1.0.23) but it is not going to be installed
[08:15] <jables>                      Depends: wine1.6:any:i386 (= 1:1.6.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1~precise1)
[08:15] <jables> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:15] <jables> how do i fix this
[08:16] <jables> i tried 'apt-get remove wine1.6'
[08:16] <jables> but still get that message
[11:52] <snesker> Does Lubuntu come with that program that tries to sell you magazines in the package manager?
[11:56] <snesker> Am I going to have to remove ubuntu's spyware?
[12:26] <dzho> snesker: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2337185/ubuntu-to-ditch-amazon-product-suggestions-from-its-search-results
[13:01] <holstein> snele: lubuntu *is* ubuntu... same access to the same repositories.. you are free to add and remove whatever you like
[13:01] <holstein> snele: sorry
[13:01] <holstein> snesker: ^
[13:02] <holstein> snesker: the unity lenses come with unity.. and lubuntu ships with LXDE.. but, what most folks are worried about is http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-remove-zeitgeist-in-ubuntu-and-why?lang=en
[13:25] <snesker> wow
[13:26] <snesker> thank you, holstein
[13:41] <djsuprin> Hello!
[13:42] <djsuprin> Do you know why there are two keyboard layout icons in tray in Lubuntu 14.04? And why Wi-fi icon was removed and if it will be fixed in future updates?
[13:44] <snesker> based on what I know about lxde, you should be able to customize that by right-clicking the task bar and going through the options
[13:44] <snesker> but I've been running lxde on mint and haven't tried lubuntu yet
[13:48] <holstein> snesker: yes, there are many customization options in LXDE.. try the live CD for lubuntu if you like
[13:49] <djsuprin> surely it is customizable. I just expected that LTS release will be stable since the first day of the release. And didn't expect stupid mistakes like missing nm-applet in tray. etc
[14:08] <snesker> gonna try out lubuntu right now
[15:36] <Waynes1> I've got a 2 gbyte mp3 player of which 1,5 gbyte are accessible from the mp3 player and 50 mbyte accesible from lubuntu, what's happening and how do I fix that?
[15:38] <wxl> Waynes1: which?
[15:38] <Waynes1> wxl: Waynes1, Waynes just died
[15:39] <wxl> Waynes1: which mp3 player, i mean.
[15:41] <Waynes1> odys mp x30v, but it only has 2gbyte of memory, not 8 http://www.amazon.de/Odys-MP-X30V-Video-Player-LC-Display-MicroSD-Kartenslot/dp/B002R68SIG
[15:42] <Waynes1> I succeeded formatting it, but now it can't find the mp3s I'm copying on it
[15:42] <wxl> Waynes1: am i correct that it has 2gb internal memory and then is expandable by sd card?
[15:43] <Waynes1> might be, it appears to have a micro sd card slot
[15:43] <Waynes1> but there's nothing in it so that can't be it
[15:43] <wxl> huh bizarre
[15:44] <wxl> what did you format it with?
[15:44] <Waynes1> FAT32
[15:44] <wxl> what program, silly?
[15:45] <Waynes1> your questions are ambiguous
[15:45] <Waynes1> gnome-disks
[15:45] <wxl> fat32 is a a type of filesystem. you don't use it to format something.
[15:46] <wxl> try using gparted
[15:57] <Waynes1> now I can access the full 2 gbyte on lubuntu, but the mp3 player appears to be unable to find any data I copy on it
[15:58] <wxl> did you use fat32 for the fs or the default ext3?
[15:58] <Waynes1> fat32
[15:58] <wxl> strange
[15:58] <wxl> the thing didn't come preformatted?
[15:59] <Waynes1> it did, but apparently it only recognizes files I put on it from a windows pc
[15:59] <Waynes1> I'll be downstairs and see if that still works
[16:03] <wxl> Waynes1: says it works with linux 2.4. assumedly that's the kernel version. and we're well beyond that, so unless there's a regression affecting this particular device you should be fine with regards to the os. i can't find a manual to give any instructions about how to deal with formatting, etc.
[16:07] <Waynes1> wxl: who says it works with linux 2.4?
[16:07] <wxl> Waynes1: odys
[16:09] <Waynes1> now I fat32 formated that mp3 player on windows, copied a file on it (still from windows), that file was accessible on the mp3 player, then I plugged the mp3 player into lubuntu and pcmanfm "experienced an internal error"
[16:11] <wxl> so here's an idea. in (if i remember correctly) the pcmanfm command is in /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[16:11] <wxl> find it
[16:11] <wxl> then kill pcmanfm
[16:11] <wxl> then run the command again
[16:11] <Waynes1> second try worked, but I still can't access the files from lubuntu to mp3 player
[16:11] <wxl> in a terminal
[16:12] <wxl> add a "> somefilename" to the end
[16:12] <wxl> actually
[16:12] <wxl> better yet
[16:12] <wxl> add "| pastebinit" to the end
[16:12] <wxl> make sure you have pastebinit installed before you do that
[16:12] <wxl> then plug in the mp3 player
[16:12] <wxl> and give me the resulting url from pastebinit
[16:13] <Waynes1> I'll just use windows for copying files, thanks four your help though
[16:13] <Waynes1> have a nice day :)
[16:13] <wxl> ku2
[16:40] <NRDisciple> hey, got a question.  Just installed Lunbuntu 14.04 the other day, and it will not let me change the monitor resolution
[16:41] <NRDisciple> I hit apply and the desktop remained at the monitor default.  The user claims it's too small, so i need to decrease the resolution.
[16:41] <NRDisciple> Is there any way to fix this?
[19:20] <Diplomatico> Hello, I want to install 14.04 in a pen drive, but I want to do it without creating a Swap partition, is it possible?
[19:24] <wxl> Diplomatico: yep you can partition however you want
[19:26] <Diplomatico> I mean,  I think lubuntu asked me to create a swap partition when i installed it...
[19:27] <Diplomatico> So is it necessary, that is my question...
[19:30] <wxl> Diplomatico: no, assuming you have plenty of memory
[19:30] <wxl> in more ways than one
[19:30] <Diplomatico> Oh, ok.
[19:31] <Diplomatico> So what is the worst case scenario?
[19:31] <Diplomatico> If I dont happen to have the memory?
[19:31] <wxl> a lot of waiting
[19:31] <Diplomatico> Ok...
[19:31] <wxl> swap can be thought of as hard drive memory
[19:31] <Diplomatico> Oh ok, as virtual memory...
[19:32] <Diplomatico> Got it, thank you so much wxl!
[19:32] <wxl> yep
[19:32] <wxl> Diplomatico: you can also use swap FILES
[19:32] <Diplomatico> What is that?
[19:32] <wxl> Diplomatico: same difference but it doesn't require a separate partition
[19:33] <Diplomatico> Ok, do you know how to configure it when i install lubuntu?
[19:33] <wxl> Diplomatico: you can't at install time but you could install without swap and then set up the file
[19:33] <wxl> !swap
[19:33] <wxl> that page has the information you need to do it
[19:33] <wxl> ↑
[19:33] <Diplomatico> Great, thanks again!!
[19:33] <wxl> np
[19:35] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: I am kind of back to square one on sound issue. It partially works without pavucontrol and pulseaudio in vlc, but it doesn't work with flash/browser. how do I make it work with Alsa only?
[19:39] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: that's bizarre. works fine for me! what browser
[19:40] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: midori
[19:40] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: do you have the same issue with firefox or chromium?
[19:42] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: works in firefox, sounds like browser issue
[19:42] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: yep
[19:44] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: it works in midori too, damn I feel silly. I just needed to relaunch it.
[19:44] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: oh yeah that happens with linux. you can update and change things and it doesn't always have an affect on running applications.
[19:45] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: windows would just MAKE you restart ;)
[19:45] <Unit193> Use `checkrestart`, or the other application.
[19:45] <wxl> !info checkrestart
[19:45] <wxl> wuzzat, Unit193
[19:45] <Unit193> !info debian-goodies
[19:45] <wxl> interesting
[19:46] <Unit193> !info needrestart | Never used this one though.
[19:46] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: make sure pulse is not running, either. that happened to me after i removed it. `ps aux | grep -i pulse`
[19:47] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: I take it back, I installed pavucontrol few mins ago and that is why sound works in both browsers. hold on brb lol
[19:47] <Unit193> echo autospawn=no >> ~/.config/pulse/client.conf
[19:47] <wxl> indeed
[19:50] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: okay I removed pavcontrol and autoremoved the rest, checking again
[19:50] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: it works in vlc
[19:52] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: now, it doesn't work in any of the browsers
[19:52] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: did you check if pulse was running?
[19:54] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: I removed pavucontrol but surprisingly there is a process running for /usr/bin/pulseaudio, should I kill it?
[19:54] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: pulseaudio was removed too
[19:55] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: yep kill it
[19:55] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: done
[19:55] <wxl> now restart the browsers
[19:55] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: okay, testing.
[19:57] <Guest80623> Hello, does anyone else have problems with m4a (mpeg4) in 14.04? they dont play in cmus, moc or guaydeque for me. though they play fine in vlc.
[19:57] <Guest80623> cmus - > distorted; moc -> cant decode error message; i installed both with ffmpeg plugin
[19:57] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: nope, it doesn't work still
[19:59] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: check if anything's muted in alsamixer
[20:00] <wxl> Unit193: you know of a surefire way to test if alsa is running?
[20:01] <wxl> Guest80623: i'd talk to the maintainers of those programs. works fine for me in mplayer, too.
[20:01] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: I can listen to music in vlc and I checked in alsamixer to double-check nothing is muted
[20:01] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: yeah duh. hm. firefox behaving or not?
[20:02] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: firefox, midori, no go.
[20:02] <Unit193> wxl: Isn't it always?  Try speaker-test
[20:02] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: can you play ANY audio in the browsers?
[20:03] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: no audio in browsers at all
[20:03] <Unit193> firefox works on just alsam
[20:03] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: trying speaker test
[20:04] <Guest80623> wxl: i will try, thanks. i just though someone might have a same problem since 14.04, coz I have same versions of those players in 13.10 and everything works ok
[20:05] <wxl> Guest80623: file a bug and you'll reach a wider scope of people
[20:06] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: try this http://download.2600.com/mediadownload/www.2600.com/offthehook/mp3files/2014/off_the_hook__20140402.mp3
[20:08] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: no music via speaker either, works through headphones only
[20:08] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: and it's not muted
[20:08] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: try toggling it just for fun.
[20:12] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: now speaker works via vlc, qasmixer had speaker muted and I unmuted it, restarted vlc, now testing browsers again
[20:16] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: no sound through browsers whatsoever
[20:16] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: did you click that link i gave you?
[20:16] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: what is it?
[20:17] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: the podcast of the latest off the hook show from the 2600 crew
[20:18] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: the content is irrelevant
[20:18] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: ah, okay
[20:18] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: although 2600 radio is always entertaining
[20:19] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: should you play it using aplay?
[20:19] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: no, open it in your browser
[20:19] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: okay
[20:25] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: it doesn't play in browsers, i can play in vlc however
[20:26] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: wow, i'm stumped!
[20:29] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: do I need flash supporting sound library for alsa ?
[20:32] <wxl> not that i know of, KyouReeUs4nfo
[20:33] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: okay, so you are saying it is possible to not use pavucontrol/pulseaudio/jack/jackd and just use alsa and hear sound from browsers as well as other applications, right?
[20:33] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: no, i'm saying it works for me
[20:34] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: did you have to tweak anything?
[20:34] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: nope
[20:35] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: u r using lubuntu 14.04?
[20:35] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: yep
[20:36] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: hmm, no clue what is wrong with my setup. It's a clean, but now not so clean, install.
[20:36] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: backup /home and reinstall ;)
[20:37] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: well, thanks I will let you know if I fix it
[20:37] <wxl> KyouReeUs4nfo: ko
[20:51] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: is there a way to choose default sound card for apps? aplay -l shows 2 cards in my case.
[20:54] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: hw:1,0 works (in vlc only), which is analog one and HDMI doesn't work for some reason. I need to figure out a way to choose default sound card in browsers
[20:55] <ianorlin> do you have amd graphics card KyouReeUs4nfo
[20:56] <KyouReeUs4nfo> ianorlin: yes
[21:01] <KyouReeUs4nfo> wxl: I am going to make .asoundrc
[21:02] <ianorlin> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2152486&p=12686399#post12686399 has the solution I think
[21:14] <KyouReeUs4nfo> ianorlin: thanks, I will reboot shortly. I have updated grub and made a change per this link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/864735
[21:38] <KyouReeUs4nfo> ianorlin: no go after making a change and updating grub, and I would rather install pavucontrol and pulseaudio back instead of installing anything proprietary
[21:45] <KyouReeUs4nfo> sound doesn't clearly work out of the box in my case, any other suggestions folks (except re-installing lubuntu again :)
[21:46] <holstein> you might need the code to support an HDMI output
[21:46] <holstein> if thats a dealbreaker
[21:55] <KyouReeUs4nfo> holstein: atm I am not worried about HDMI, I just want to hear some sound from browsers first be it coming from analog soundcard