[00:33] <CarlFK> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/zoneminder  the post install script needs 2 or 3 tweaks.   I
[00:33] <CarlFK> I'll give a shot at fixing it, but i am not sure what the process is.  where do I start ?
[00:34] <CarlFK> the guides are focused on the app's code base.  I am not changing that.
[00:35] <RAOF> CarlFK: For stuff in the debian/ directory, just make your changes and submit them.
[00:36] <RAOF> CarlFK: Where “submit them” is either “make a LP merge proposal with the bzr branch you made the changes in” or “create a debdiff and attach that to a bug”.
[00:36] <CarlFK> ah, find the project in LP.. right :D
[00:39] <RAOF> CarlFK: Since it's in Universe... apt-cache showsrc zoneminder shows “Vcs-Hg: http://hg.debian.org/hg/collab-maint/zoneminder”
[00:40] <RAOF> If the change you're planning also makes sense in Debian then doing the work in a mercurial branch would be courteous. (Also applies to main, of course, but tends to be more important in universe)
[00:42] <CarlFK> RAOF: thanks.  wondering about that too.  also.. looks like someone has already submitted the patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zoneminder/+bug/507004
[00:42] <CarlFK> + 	ln -s /etc/zm/apache.conf  /etc/apache2/conf.d/zoneminder.conf
[00:43] <RAOF> Hm. I wonder if that shouldn't use the a2enable stuff, like other Apache config stuff.
[00:43] <RAOF> (Which would be, IIUC, install zoneminder.conf into /etc/apache2/conf-avail and then run a2enable zoneminder)
[00:44] <RAOF> CarlFK: Is there an associated Debian bug? That looks like a reasonable improvement to the packaging (although I'm not particularly familiar with the domain)
[00:45] <CarlFK> doesn't a2enable work with /etc/apache2/sites-avail and sites-enabled?
[00:48] <RAOF> There's one that works with config, IIRC.
[00:49] <CarlFK> RAOF:  I don't see this bug, but I do see  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669781   "* Do NOT install any files to /etc/apache2/conf.d/. This directory is  obsolete. Its successor is /etc/apache2/conf-available/ which can be  interfaced through a2enconf/a2disconf"
[00:49] <RAOF> Ding.
[00:49] <RAOF> Although that suggests that this change has already been made in Debian, and all that needs to happen is a newer merge?
[00:50] <CarlFK> no - that was generic advice about migrating to apache2.4
[00:50] <CarlFK> but the current patch might as well be implemented using those guidelines
[00:51] <CarlFK> next item "Do NOT call a2enconf/a2disconf in your maintainer scripts. Use our  apache2-maintscript-helper [4] instead."   Any clue about apache2-maintscript-helper?
[00:53] <RAOF> Follow the [4] link? It looks like that maintscript helper exists, though.
[00:53] <RAOF> So, you'd want to call it in the appropriate way (I don't know what the appropriate way is)
[00:54] <RAOF> Possibly by just including it in your maintscripts.
[00:54] <RAOF> Oh!
[00:54] <RAOF> dh_apache2 is your winner.
[01:06] <CarlFK> gah.. this yak needs more shaving cream....
[01:07] <CarlFK> http://anonscm.debian.org/hg/collab-maint/zoneminder/file/3b3a2911b31b/distros  debian, fedora, rh, ubuntu1204
[01:08] <CarlFK> Why are these different?!~!!  rage.  juser@negk:~/temp/zm/zoneminder$ diff debian/ distros/debian/
[01:08] <CarlFK>  
[02:07] <CarlFK> more rage: the debian/ dir and such is maintained in the source repo
[02:07] <CarlFK> but that rage is directed at me for not looking first
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <j_f-f> good morning Daniel
[09:36] <ice9> when I run pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd  it gives "Distribution is saucy" however I'm on trusty!
[15:20] <Logan_> ice9: try --distribution=trusty
[15:21] <Logan_> --distribution trusty, rather
[15:32] <ice9> Logan_: also I need a guide to build ubuntu package from scratch
[15:43] <Rhonda> Oo
[15:44] <Rhonda> apt-get install ubuntu-community-accomplishments, wtf  xD
[15:46] <Rhonda> ice9: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ might be what you look for
[16:58] <ice9> thanks Rhonda
[18:04] <ice9> https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian assumes that the source I want to package is already in the ubuntu repo, but what if I want to build a recent version that is not in the repo yet?
[18:29] <Logan_> ice9: merge in the new upstream version, and then build
[18:31] <ice9> Logan_: and if I'm packaging an application for the first time that have never been in the repo bofore?
[18:31] <ice9> before
[18:31] <Logan_> are you packaging for Ubuntu or for Debian?
[18:32] <Logan_> if for Ubuntu, follow this guide: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html