[05:20] <pitti> Good morning
[05:29] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[06:34] <elfy> morning
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:59] <elfy> morning davmor2
[14:52] <elfy> hi balloons - welcome back - I've been working on bug 1306221 again
[15:33] <balloons> hey elfy . Excellent
[15:33] <balloons> i see the mp and I'll have a look
[15:34] <balloons> elfy, so do you think the word "normal" is understandable?
[15:34] <balloons> I realize lts and non-lts while more clear, might not be less confusing ;-)
[15:44] <knome> normal or regular
[15:45] <balloons> mmm.. regular might be better.. the odd thing of course is the terminal will prompt as normal and lts
[15:45] <balloons> I just find it confusing as to what a 'normal' release is
[15:45] <elfy> which is exactly why I said normal
[15:45] <elfy> or we'll get someone saying that the terminal echoes normal not regular
[15:47] <elfy> and as far as understandable ... given what I've seen reported - probably not - but let's aim for the highest denominator shall we :)
[15:55] <balloons> should we say normal (non-lts)?
[16:10] <elfy> then why not also say lts (non-normal)
[16:11] <elfy> just think that it doesn't really matter what we put - someone will wander along and still report a bug against a package against the testcase
[16:13] <elfy> balloons: we should really say non-LTS and LTS I guess with serious head on
[16:13] <balloons> it's the more common term
[16:13] <balloons> I think
[16:13] <balloons> heh
[16:14] <elfy> oh yea - and the other mp of mine is a brand new one for studio - they have an extra step in their installer AND removing Ubuntu One from where it appears
[16:14] <elfy> balloons: non-LTS and LTS then? wfm
[16:16] <balloons> is knome still here?
[16:16] <elfy> when we sync these we should also rename 1635 and 1636 so they don't get used by mistake in future (the 2 LTS testcases)
[16:16] <balloons> or another third party willing to sway the opinion ;-)
[16:16] <elfy> lol
[16:17] <elfy> I'll just go and tell slickymaster what I want him to say and then get him to post :D
[16:20] <knome>  balloons no, i'm hiding
[16:23] <balloons> elfy, knome :-)
[16:23] <balloons> elfy, I'm happy with however it is worded
[16:23] <balloons> I'll approve
[16:23] <elfy> ok - so I'll go with non-LTS and LTS and push it again
[16:23]  * balloons just approved normal,heh
[16:24] <knome> non-LTS is meh
[16:24] <knome> nromal is better
[16:24] <elfy> ok
[16:24] <knome> normal too
[16:24] <elfy> balloons: I'll sync it then if you want
[16:25] <balloons> elfy, yep, go for it
[16:25] <balloons> finish the deed!
[16:25] <elfy> okey doke
[16:31] <elfy> balloons: all done for that mp then
[16:31] <elfy> I'll wait to see the other show up in tbird and sync that then
[16:32] <knome> elfy, balloons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ3GvA9dNTo
[16:32] <elfy> :)
[16:32] <elfy> I could get all offtopic ...
[16:33] <knome> well we need some after-release relaxation ;)
[16:33] <balloons> knome, never heard of this group.. interesting
[16:33] <elfy> always
[16:34] <knome> balloons, finnish group, already non-existing, but google for "iiro rantala" for more of the pianists stuff ;)
[16:35] <knome> balloons, recent releases also!
[16:35] <balloons> knome, ahh.. jazz is always nice. I like it more live though.. it really needs to be performed
[16:36] <knome> agreed, but i can't afford him playing here in my room all day, every day
[16:36] <knome> and i don't have the space for the grand piano either
[16:36] <elfy> ha ha ha
[16:39] <balloons> knome, not even a baby grand?
[16:39] <knome> balloons, maybe that... but still not enough bucks for the pianist
[16:40] <knome> but i do happen to know he very much prefers either a specific grand piano...
[16:41] <knome> ...or some really old, expensive ones
[16:46] <balloons> well then.. I guess you shall stick to recordings :-)
[16:46] <knome> yeah, and the occasional live gig
[16:46] <elfy> never been to a recorded gig
[16:47] <elfy> apart from The Song Remains The Same
[16:47] <knome> haha
[16:47] <knome> well there you go ;)
[16:47] <knome> and playback in most popular music galas etx
[16:47] <elfy> :)
[16:47] <knome> *etc
[16:47] <knome> that counts as recorded gig imo...
[16:49] <elfy> :)
[16:58] <elopio> balloons: is dpm on holidays?
[16:58] <balloons> elopio, yes
[16:58] <balloons> till tomorrow
[16:59] <elopio> ok, he asked me to look at the filemanager tests, but I can't even build the project.
[17:00] <balloons> elopio, yes I had trouble as well
[17:00] <balloons> let me catch you up elfy
[17:00] <balloons> *elopio
[17:01] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1308280
[17:01] <elfy> he he he - balloons catches letozaf's bug ...
[17:01] <balloons> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1294301
[17:01] <balloons> elopio, ^^
[17:01] <elopio> balloons: oh, thanks.
[17:01] <balloons> so elopio tldr, the click generated doesn't work, and what's in trunk won't build with click tools
[17:01] <elopio> I was just going to be a pita and complaint about the project not having a REAMDE :D
[17:02] <balloons> I'm going to try again this afternoon.. if you want to have it work with click, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-click-buddy-build/+merge/216478
[17:21] <balloons> elopio, how's reminders btw? testwise?
[17:22] <elopio> balloons: I'm still can't run it on my device, so I don't really know if my last test works.
[17:23] <elopio> I was hoping dpm to fix it for me :)
[17:23] <balloons> elopio, I don't remember what I told you about reminders.. I know it's broken know with click tools, just like fm
[17:23] <elopio> and today I'm working on the account for the click scope. So I hope that will work for reminders too and add a new test tomorrow.
[17:23] <balloons> although we can fix
[17:23] <balloons> sounds fine.. I'm going to work on making dpm's fixes work with both
[17:24] <balloons> qt creator and click tools that is
[17:24] <elopio> balloons: that would be nice. I don't want to get into the click details yet.
[17:47]  * elopio goes to get a new passport.
[19:41] <balloons> elopio, got a minute?
[23:09] <elopio> balloons: I'm here. Too late?
[23:09] <knome> elopio, don't blame yourself, blame balloons:
[23:09] <balloons> elopio, well, yes and no
[23:10] <knome> balloons, did you leave too early?
[23:10] <knome> ;)
[23:10] <balloons> knome, lol, I haven't left my chair in quite some time :)
[23:10] <balloons> elopio, I'm building reminders and trying your mp on my device right now
[23:10]  * knome ponders if that's TMI
[23:10] <knome> balloons, you should take a break every hour
[23:10] <balloons> knome, fingers crossed I will soon take you up on that
[23:11] <elopio> balloons: ok, let me know how it goes.
[23:11] <balloons> elopio, my original ping was on something else but if you want to chat about problems, well I got them :-)
[23:11]  * knome giggles
[23:11] <elopio> I got problems too.
[23:11] <elopio> tell me, maybe they are related.
[23:11] <knome> balloons, do you want me to book a psychiatrist for you?
[23:12] <balloons> elopio, the two big thorns are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1294301 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1308280.
[23:12] <balloons> basically click-tools and qtcreator require different project layouts and manifests
[23:12] <balloons> so fm and reminders are broken for building, except through qtcreator
[23:13] <balloons> that's part of your issue with reminders I believe
[23:13] <balloons> the things really bugging me though, is the build for file manager doesn't work.. the click won't find the plugin no matter what I do
[23:15] <elopio> balloons: ah, yes, but the problem I'm looking at now is unity showing the window in a different place and autopilot going completely nuts.
[23:16] <balloons> elopio, what are you testing?
[23:16] <elopio> balloons: unity and the toolkit.
[23:16] <balloons> btw, reminders failed.. I'll try again then pull the log
[23:16] <elopio> balloons: failed to build or to run?
[23:16] <balloons> elopio, it ran.. tests failed
[23:16] <balloons> I'm running on nexus7 atm if if matters
[23:17] <elopio> ok, I have mixed feelings about that. But can you tell me the steps to build and run that you are following?
[23:18] <balloons> I built by merging lp:~nskaggs/reminders-app/cmake-build-test into your branch, which fixes cmake builds. But I see a couple small tweaks I need to make.. namely it reverted the framework defined in the manifest
[23:23] <balloons> fixed and re-building.. I actually did the work trying to figure out why fm isn't working.. I was comparing them.. sadly that got me nothing, but since I did it, I figured I would build your mp
[23:26] <elopio> ok, let me try your branch
[23:30] <balloons> just fyi, the changes in main.cpp are debug prints from me trying to figure out how the qml file is loading and where for fm :-)
[23:40] <balloons> elopio, ok, updated everything. 1 test still fails (the new one with url dispatcher). Might be something simple, but I'm leaving it as-is
[23:43] <balloons> left the log in a comment on the mp
[23:43]  * balloons is out