[00:11] <Thorondor> RAOF: Thanks! I'll take a look
[03:08] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:08] <SteveG> Hello
[04:08] <SteveG> I was hoping some one would be able to help
[04:11] <SteveG> ???
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <JustinZ`> Help! I flashed my Nexus 7 2012, it rebooted with spinning Ubuntu logo and sat there for 2-3minutes before rebooting into the bootloader.
[08:32] <tshirtman> JustinZ`: pretty sure the 2012 nexus 7 is not supported anymore
[08:33] <popey> JustinZ`: tshirtman correct.
[08:34] <janimo> jamesh, hi, do you know when the libunity-scopes fixes required by Go scopes land in the archive?
[09:17] <jamesh> janimo: sorry, missed your message.  Hopefully this week.  I hadn't pushed to get a new release out before because there were a few other pending changes in the review queue and it was only a few people interested at the time
[09:18] <janimo> jamesh, and this means Go scopes do not work at all without the change currently (it was not clear from the G+ post) ?
[09:18] <jamesh> janimo: correct.  The registry doesn't realise that the scope has started up so kills the child process where the scope is running
[09:18] <janimo> jamesh, thanks
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:31]  * ogra_ hugs dholbach for helping to turn ubuntu phone into a "zeitungskiosk"
[10:31] <ogra_> :D
[10:31] <dholbach> :-D
[10:31] <dholbach> no worries :)
[10:35] <k1l_> are there some current .zip files from ubuntu-touch that can be flashed via recovery onto n4 (like the daylies from cm11).
[10:36] <ogra_> k1l_, nope
[10:36] <k1l_> hmm k
[10:38] <ogra_> k1l_, you can use rootstock-ng for a manual install from tarball and system.img file, instructions are on the mailing list
[10:38] <k1l_> ogra_: thanks, will take a look at that
[11:47] <daker> hi
[11:48] <daker> i am unable to get the sim card to work, getting "Unknown data technology" from the system settings log :(
[11:48] <daker> i also tested the ofono scripts, they don't seem to work too
[11:49] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7303092/
[11:49] <daker> and i don't get the unlock screen to type the pin code
[11:54] <ogra_> daker, ofono errors should be in syslog ... : grep ofono /var/log/syslog
[11:56] <daker> ogra_: nothing
[11:56] <ogra_> sad
[11:56] <daker> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/view/head:/plugins/cellular/PageComponent.qml#L48
[12:00] <daker> ogra_: anything else i should check to get sim registred or atleast unlocked ?
[12:00] <ogra_> well, do you see ofono even run in the processlist ?
[12:01] <ogra_> (ofonod actually)
[12:08] <daker> ogra_: yes http://paste.ubuntu.com/7306513/
[12:08] <ogra_> looks fine
[12:09] <ogra_> weird that you dont have anything in syslog from the startup
[12:09] <ogra_> best is to wait for awe i guess ... he should be able to help out
[12:09] <ogra_> (not sure hw works today though)
[12:09] <ogra_> *he
[12:10] <ogra_> could it be that your SIM ran out of credit or some such ?
[12:10] <daker> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7306524/
[12:10] <daker> no it's new sim card, it has been actived a few days ago
[12:11] <ogra_> and it has a PIN ?
[12:11] <ogra_> the Pin unlock should be in system settings
[12:11] <ogra_> (iirc we dont have any popup on login for it)
[12:11] <daker> ogra_: yes i has a pin
[12:11] <cwayne> mardy, ping
[12:11] <daker> ogra_: i get nothing on sys settings
[12:12] <mardy> cwayne: hi :-)
[12:12] <ogra_> under cellular
[12:12] <mardy> cwayne: about a D-Bus API for authenticating? :-)
[12:12] <cwayne> mardy, :D
[12:12] <mardy> cwayne: so, there is such an API, though there are no premises about its stability
[12:12] <cwayne> mardy, well, really the question is about authenticating from golang, but I understand doing it via d-bus may be the quickest way
[12:13] <mardy> cwayne: but the main issue is that before authenticating, you must find out which account you want to authenticate, and for that there is no escape from using libaccounts-glib (or -qt, or the QML module)
[12:13] <daker> ogra_: https://i.imgur.com/P7uwAAC.png
[12:14] <daker> ogra_: carrier list always empty https://i.imgur.com/nyK35gQ.png
[12:14] <mardy> cwayne: so, if you are going to use it, then you could as well use libsignon-glib
[12:14] <ogra_> right
[12:14] <ogra_> hmm
[12:14] <daker> ogra_: getting "Unknown data technology" from the system settings log :(
[12:14] <ogra_> you should have a "PIN" entry in the forst one
[12:14] <ogra_> *first
[12:14] <cwayne> mardy, ah, cool, so listing is the only thing you'd need the glib stuff for?
[12:15] <ogra_> abeato, any hint what daker could look at to get his SIM to work ?
[12:15] <cwayne> mardy, is the D-Bus API documented anywhere? or any examples of it being used for authentication?
[12:16] <mardy> cwayne: there are XML files in the signond source code
[12:16] <mardy> cwayne: actually, I believe they are installed in /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/
[12:17] <daker> ogra_: i think the ofono logs are in .cache/upstart/
[12:17] <cwayne> mardy, I saw those (except they seem to be part of signond-dev, which im not sure would be installed), but was hoping there were some examples somewhere
[12:17] <ogra_> only the ones from the upstart job
[12:17]  * cwayne isn't the best with D-Bus API's yet
[12:17] <ogra_> ofono itself logs directly to syslog
[12:18] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/apps/slashdot-app$ adb shell zgrep ofono /var/log/syslog.*|wc -l
[12:18] <ogra_> 1124
[12:18] <ogra_> try grepping through the zipped ones too
[12:20] <daker> ha 2810
[12:20] <ogra_> right, so you have some logs :)
[12:21] <mardy> cwayne: nope, no examples
[12:21] <mardy> cwayne: BTW, jamesh had exactly the same questions a few days ago
[12:22] <mardy> cwayne: I think he resolved to use the glib libraries, maybe you could work together somehow?
[12:22] <daker> ogra_: how to pull them ?
[12:22] <abeato> daker, could you execute ofono script list_modems?
[12:22] <abeato> list-modems, sorry
[12:22] <ogra_> daker, drop the "|wc -l" and pipe them into a file instead
[12:23] <daker> abeato: ofono: command not found
[12:23] <ogra_> ah, abeato is around ... listen to him rather than me :)
[12:23] <abeato> it is in /usr/share/ofono/scripts
[12:23] <abeato> # /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[12:23] <cwayne> mardy, ah, maybe I should just wait til he's got something working and then use his example :P
[12:25] <daker> abeato: it's ok to link you with output ? it has nothing sensitive ?
[12:25] <abeato> daker, no, it's fine, paste it in paste.ubuntu.com
[12:25] <daker> abeato: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7306609/
[12:26] <abeato> daker, so it looks like pin has not been entered yet
[12:27] <daker> abeato: yes i don't get the unlock screen
[12:27] <daker> https://i.imgur.com/P7uwAAC.png
[12:27] <daker> carrier list always empty https://i.imgur.com/nyK35gQ.png
[12:27] <daker> and i am getting "Unknown data technology" from the system settings log :(
[12:28] <abeato> daker, you can go to the unlock screen in the Network menu, in the same place where you select the WiFi you connect to
[12:28] <abeato> daker, you need to go down in the page
[12:30] <daker> abeato: haha, who did propose this "GENIUOS" idea
[12:31] <abeato> daker, I still wonder ;)
[12:31] <daker> done unlocked
[12:31] <abeato> the design should change soon, afaik
[12:31] <daker> i see the signal now
[12:31] <abeato> daker, cool
[12:32] <daker> abeato: wow it works now!
[12:32] <daker> thanks man!
[12:33] <abeato> daker, no problem
[13:15] <anDixx> hello how can i instal ubuntu touch
[13:15] <anDixx> on a windows tablet ?
[13:16] <anDixx> some can help me ?
[13:17] <pmcgowan> anDixx, the images depend on elements from Android for hardware drivers and the like
[13:17] <pmcgowan> anDixx, there needs to be Android support and we only support ARM for now
[13:17] <ogra_> well, if it runs normal ubuntu you could try the unity8 perview session ... but thats not having any low level HW support indeed
[13:19] <LeandeR> ?
[13:19] <LeandeR> its andixx
[13:31] <kirkland> howdy!  okay, two questions about Touch on my Nexus7 ... 1) I can't figure out how to lock the screen
[13:32] <kirkland> I thought it would be under security and privacy, but I don't see anything relevant there
[13:32] <ogra_> you press the power button :)
[13:32] <tedg> kirkland, I think that setting might be waiting on mterry's work on getting us to a lightdm lock screen lands.
[13:33] <ogra_> right
[13:33] <ogra_> we dont actually have a lock screen atm
[13:33] <ogra_> what you see is fake
[13:33] <mterry> tedg, kirkland: correct
[13:33] <kirkland> whoa, we don't have a lock screen?
[13:33] <tedg> ogra_, It's okay kirkland has nothing to hide :-)
[13:33] <ogra_> yeah
[13:33] <ogra_> i know ... i checked already :P
[13:33] <kirkland> :-)
[13:34]  * tedg forgot that ogra_ has root
[13:34] <ogra_> heh
[13:34] <kirkland> okay, that's a bummer;  any idea when that might land, mterry?
[13:35] <kirkland> okay, second question...  is there a swipe or qwersive keyboard option or add-on?
[13:35] <ogra_> within the next months
[13:35] <ogra_> kirkland, thats a bfiller question ... you can attach a patch too if you like :)
[13:35] <ogra_> (i dont think there is yet)
[13:36] <tedg> If only we had someone in the company that has experience with that technology to write the patch… (*cough* kirkland *cough*)
[13:36] <bfiller> kirkland: there is not, but we have a plugin architecture such that one could be created
[13:36] <kirkland> ogra_: heh :-)  well, I have some old code from 2003-2004, when I created swipe's predecessor, called QWERsive :-)  but it's written in Java, copyrighted by IBM, and probably not useful at all :-)
[13:37] <Elleo> kirkland: there have been some people discussing potential implementation of swype style input for Sailfish which also uses maliit (so would be relatively easy to include in Ubuntu Touch); some sort of joint effort on that front might be good
[13:38] <ogra_> kirkland, i know ;)
[13:38] <kirkland> Elleo: that would be sweet
[13:38] <Elleo> although that discussion also involved lots of people being rather put off by the mountain of patents involved in swype ;)
[13:38] <kirkland> ogra_: alrighty, thanks guys!  I'm liking what I've seen so far, good stuff
[13:38] <Elleo> personally I've been wanting to have a go at implementing a dasher (http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/) style maliit plugin for a while
[13:38] <Elleo> completely failed to get around to it so far though ;)
[13:39] <tedg> kirkland, When are you guys going to have a QML Juju GUI for Ubuntu?
[13:39]  * tedg wants to manage his servers from his phone
[13:39]  * LeandeR is now away, auto-away after 20 minutes (log\on pager\on)
[13:39] <ogra_> well, ssh works
[13:39] <kirkland> tedg: :-)
[13:40] <Randy_O> has anyone else had an ssh connection refused error when trying to run an QML app on their phone?
[13:42] <ogra_> Randy_O, adb shell setprop persist.service.ssh true && adb reboot
[13:42] <Elleo> kirkland: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003922.html <-- doesn't look like much has actually happened in that direction yet though
[13:43] <Randy_O> ogra_, thanks, I'll give that a try
[13:48] <Rienzilla> hmm
[13:48] <Rienzilla> what channel should I install to my nexus 4?
[13:48] <Rienzilla> (if I want to actually try and use the device)
[13:49]  * cwayne patiently waits til i can update to U
[13:49] <ogra_> Rienzilla, devel
[13:51] <Rienzilla> ok
[13:51] <ogra_> you can use stable ... but wont get many updates then, devel actually sees regular fixes
[13:52] <ogra_> and has about the same quality
[13:54] <Rienzilla> okay
[13:55] <Rienzilla> so, use devel until stable is actually stable (and more feature complete) :)
[13:57] <ogra_> well, stable is just a snaphot image we take at release day
[13:57] <ogra_> (currently)
[13:57] <ogra_> (a snapshot from devel)
[13:57] <Rienzilla> yeah I understand
[13:57] <ogra_> and ubuntu phone is actually a rolling release on top of the ubuntu archive ... so devel gets all the new fixes
[13:59] <Rienzilla> flashing version 302
[13:59] <Rienzilla> let's see :)
[13:59] <Rienzilla> I have a reason to start using this device now. My 3 year old son dropped my iphone on a concrete floor :)
[13:59] <ogra_> thats a good reason :)
[14:07] <Randy_O> has anyone else had an ssh connection refused error when trying to run an QML app on their phone? I've tried persist.service.ssh true
[14:14] <Rienzilla> hmm
[14:14] <Rienzilla> is there auto-brightness on the nexus4?
[14:14] <ogra_> yep
[14:14] <ogra_> a bit hidden in the brightness settings of the settings app
[14:14] <Rienzilla> ah found it
[14:15] <ogra_> mpt, ^^^thats slightly confusing btw
[14:15] <Rienzilla> I find it quite difficult to navigate touch still :)
[14:15] <ogra_> mpt, the battery indicator takes you to the battery settings but doesnt expose the autobrightness setting there
[14:15] <ogra_> (while it exposes a slider for brightness)
[14:16] <Rienzilla> indeed
[14:17] <mpt> That’s true
[14:17] <mpt> We could just have a cross-reference to the Brightness panel, rather than a brightness slider
[14:17] <mpt> That would be more in line with the PC design, too
[14:17] <ogra_> ++
[14:21] <Rienzilla> huh... what is this about shutdown of ubuntu one services?
[14:23] <Graknol> Hi, can I use CM11 instead of CM10.1 when porting, as Nexus 5 is only supported by CM11?
[14:24] <ogra_> Graknol, why do you port to N5 ? is the existing community port not working for you ?
[14:24] <Graknol> Well, I just wondered
[14:24]  * ogra_ thought that was one of the better working ones
[14:24] <ogra_> and the N5 can just use the existing AOSP tree ... no need for any CM
[14:25] <Graknol> Plus, I couldn't find the source for the latest from this guy http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/port-ubuntu-touch-nexus-5-t2594874?nocache=1
[14:25] <ogra_> you should be able to just build away
[14:25] <Tassadar> the source is in ubuntu repos
[14:25] <ogra_> apt-get srouce android :)
[14:25] <ogra_> *source
[14:25] <Tassadar> that thread is acient
[14:25] <Graknol> ohh, thought every port was custom :)
[14:26] <ogra_> since we switched to AOSP all ports inside the source can easily be built
[14:26] <Graknol> ohh! I didn't see that on the porting guide
[14:26] <Graknol> nvm, found it! :D
[14:26] <ogra_> yeah, the porting guide needs love
[14:26] <ogra_> it is quite outdated
[14:26] <Graknol> This community is simply amazing
[15:48] <mhall119> bfiller: is what addressbook on google does contacts sync use?
[15:49] <bfiller> mhall119: default one
[15:54] <Rienzilla> hmm
[15:54] <Rienzilla> can I import ical or so calendars into the calendar app?
[15:55] <ogra_> i think currently only google
[15:55] <ogra_> though there might be commandline ways with syncevolution
[15:55] <Rienzilla> well a one-time import would do
[15:55] <Rienzilla> for now, that is
[15:56] <Rienzilla> and what about contacts?
[15:56] <Rienzilla> I don't really feel like copying them by hand :)
[15:56] <ogra_> same thing, it uses syncevolution in the backend but is only set up for google atm
[15:57] <Rienzilla> ah okay
[15:57] <ogra_> there are surelöy ways to do it manually from commandline
[16:08] <mhall119> bfiller: hmmm, mine isn't syncing...
[16:09] <bfiller> mhall119: look in ~/.cache/upstart/sync-monitor.log
[16:09] <bfiller> might have some clues
[16:16] <Rienzilla> hmm, manipulating things like the ssh configuration (and, the password for the phablet user) runs into the fact that stuff is mounted readonly. Can I just remount it r/w to make changes or is there a better way?
[16:17] <ogra_> Rienzilla, yeah, you would have to switch to writable mode but lose upgradeability if you actually want to hack around system configs
[16:27] <Rienzilla> ogra_: hmm, somehow I don't feel comfortable running an ssh server on my phone with a phablet/phablet login :)
[16:29] <ogra_> just unset the property then :)
[17:20] <Mike> I have a question about Ubuntu Touch and was told to come here
[17:20] <popey> ask away
[17:21] <Guest43557> How do i sync my music from my windows 7 laptop to the device?
[17:21] <Guest43557> Nexus 7 2013
[17:21] <ogra_> it should pop up explorer like android does
[17:21] <Guest43557> It didnt
[17:21] <ogra_> hmm, it does on ubuntu
[17:22]  * popey reboots to windows to test, hang on
[17:22] <genii> Probably need usb drivers
[17:22]  * ogra_ hasnt touched windows since win95
[17:22] <Guest43557> lmao
[17:22] <popey> well, GameOS as I call it here
[17:22] <Guest43557> Win95 isn't legitimate anyway.
[17:22] <ogra_> was a while ago i admit :)
[17:22] <Guest43557> They literally stole the UI from apple OS in the early days of it
[17:23] <popey> uhoh! you set him off!
[17:23]  * popey boots his nexus 7
[17:23] <Guest43557> Dun DUN dun
[17:24] <Guest43557> Im currently downloading CM11 so give me a few minutes to boot back to Ubuntu Touch
[17:24] <popey> yeah, it doesn't show up properly
[17:24]  * popey files a bug 
[17:24] <Guest43557> Yep
[17:24] <ogra_> popey, does it in android ?
[17:24] <Guest43557> And My laptop doesnt support ubuntu :D
[17:24] <popey> uh
[17:24] <ogra_> (do you know)
[17:24] <Guest43557> yes, it pops up on android
[17:24] <popey> i have an old nexus 7 running android...
[17:25] <popey> yes
[17:25] <ogra_> thats weird, the USB device is set up identical to android
[17:25] <popey> you see a blank window
[17:25] <Guest43557> "supposedly"
[17:25] <popey> it does show up, just no folders
[17:25] <Guest43557> Yes
[17:25] <Guest43557> When in ubuntu touch it shows up on the side bar
[17:25] <Guest43557> i click it
[17:25] <Guest43557> enter the device storage
[17:25] <Guest43557> and blank
[17:25] <Guest43557> nothing
[17:26] <ogra_> cyphermox, ^^^ any idea ?
[17:26] <ogra_> so the USB device actually registers properly ... must be the mtp-server on the device then
[17:26] <popey> yes
[17:26] <Guest43557> hmm.
[17:26] <Guest43557> like i said
[17:26] <popey> i see "7.07 GB free of 12.9GB" in explorer
[17:26] <cyphermox> well, is this in nautilus or some other file manager?
[17:26] <Guest43557> Im downloading cm11 so gimme a bit
[17:26] <popey> Guest43557: thanks for letting us know.
[17:26] <Guest43557> lol
[17:26] <popey> cyphermox: windows
[17:27] <ogra_> cyphermox, win7
[17:27] <cyphermox> it' s anybody' s guess what windows does
[17:27] <popey> cop out ☻
[17:27] <ogra_> heh
[17:27] <cyphermox> as mentioned, it should behave the same, but if there's some attribute windows expect that we don't expose, then it would come up empty yeah
[17:27] <Guest43557> Fahk
[17:28] <popey> indeed
[17:28] <Guest43557> Well it seems my laptop supports ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[17:28] <popey> Guest43557: the other option is download android tools, and "adb push Music /home/phablet/Music"
[17:28] <Guest43557> but i dont want to go through the hassle -.-
[17:28] <cyphermox> I'll need to dig into the Windows specs, I have them already, just may have missed something
[17:28] <ogra_> popey, that might take a century ... or two ...
[17:28] <janimo> kenvandine, hi,  saw you g+ post. Can bacon2d be used with the box2d from the Ubuntu archives?
[17:28] <ogra_> depending on the amount of music
[17:28] <cyphermox> ogra_: it shouldn' t exactly be any different than with mtp...
[17:29] <Guest43557> 24gbs worth? :D
[17:29] <cyphermox> it' s all usb after all
[17:29] <ogra_> well, adb push is generally pertty slow
[17:29] <ogra_> *pretty
[17:29] <ogra_> on top of USB ...
[17:29] <Guest43557> Not really.
[17:29] <Guest43557> Well for me at least
[17:29] <Guest43557> when i rooted and unlocked my BL, adb ran like a champ
[17:29] <ogra_> i found mtp to be a lot faster transferring stuff over the same wire
[17:30] <Guest43557> does Ubuntu Touch have MTP?
[17:30] <ogra_> yes
[17:30] <Guest43557> MTP doesnt enable than
[17:30] <Guest43557> that seems to be the issue
[17:30] <ogra_> well, you see the device in your tree
[17:30] <Guest43557> yes
[17:30] <ogra_> but not the contnt
[17:30] <ogra_> so we have 50% ;)
[17:30] <Guest43557> Indeed
[17:30] <Guest43557> yup
[17:31] <Guest43557> Wish i could upload pictures to show you what im seeing
[17:31] <ogra_> the USB part is fine, the mtp-server might be missing a flag
[17:31] <Guest43557> lol
[17:31] <ogra_> i think we can imagine what you see now :)
[17:31] <Guest43557> yeah
[17:31] <Guest43557> If i install ubuntu on this laptop, would that fix it?
[17:31] <popey> there you go.. bug 1311241
[17:31] <Guest43557> "fix"
[17:32] <ogra_> under ubuntu it just pops up and you can copy as you like
[17:32] <Guest43557> *clicks*
[17:32] <ogra_> hmm, not sure about 12.04
[17:32] <Guest43557> "Usual USB Bing Bong noise"
[17:32] <Guest43557> HAHA
[17:32] <Guest43557> xD
[17:32] <ogra_> 14.04 for sure, i'm using it all day here
[17:33] <ogra_> 12.04 might be to old for the desktop to have proper mtp support
[17:33] <Guest43557> 14.04 isnt supported for me :(
[17:33] <ogra_> why not ?
[17:33] <Guest43557> It doesnt mount /tmp/ during install
[17:34] <Guest43557> than hangs after reboot while trying to force mount it
[17:34] <ogra_> can you boot into a live session ?
[17:34] <Guest43557> nope
[17:34] <ogra_> that should be enough to copy your misuc :)
[17:34] <ogra_> *music
[17:35] <Guest43557> I click ignore, and ignore again, than it locks up
[17:35] <ogra_> ah, thats bad
[17:35] <Guest43557> OH
[17:35] <Guest43557> But i tried to install via Wubi because it wont detect anything on the USB drive during boot
[17:35]  * ogra_ hasnt heard about such issues, you should file a bug so it can be fixed for 14.04.1
[17:35] <Guest43557> ANd yes, i enabled it in bios
[17:35] <Guest43557> and*
[17:35] <ogra_> ugh
[17:35] <dobey> is wubi still supported?
[17:35] <ogra_> wubi
[17:35] <Guest43557> Apparentyl
[17:36] <popey> dont think so.
[17:36] <Guest43557> apparently*
[17:36] <ogra_> yeah. me neither
[17:36] <popey> "Wubi is an officially supported installer for Windows XP, Vista and 7 users that allows Ubuntu to be installed and uninstalled in a safe, easy way as with any other Windows application."
[17:36] <ogra_> i think that got dropped a while ago
[17:36] <Guest43557> Ill try via ReWritable Disc
[17:36] <Guest43557> Than why include it in every ubuntu update?
[17:36] <kenvandine> janimo, bacon2d includes qml-box2d which includes it's own snapshot of box2d
[17:36] <popey> it's still on the cd
[17:36] <ogra_> ugh
[17:36] <Guest43557> ah
[17:36] <Guest43557> bleh
[17:37] <Guest43557> Burning Ubuntu 14.04 to disc
[17:38] <Guest43557> see if that makes a dif
[17:38] <kenvandine> janimo, it uses box2d 2.3.2
[17:38] <janimo> kenvandine, does that not matter for deploying to touch because apps will include these in the .click package?
[17:39] <kenvandine> they just include bacon2d
[17:39] <janimo> kenvandine, I was just thinking whether it would be easier to get started developing if all was packaged :)
[17:39] <janimo> ok
[17:39] <Guest43557> here's my specs
[17:39] <Guest43557> http://www.cnet.com/products/asus-k52f-a1-15-6-core-i3-350m-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit-4-gb-ram-320-gb-hdd/specs/
[17:39] <Guest43557> but i have a 500gb HDD
[17:39] <kenvandine> janimo, cool... want to try out bacon2d?
[17:39] <popey> Guest43557: should be fine.#
[17:39] <janimo> kenvandine, I cloned it and ran the examples
[17:39] <kenvandine> cool
[17:39] <Guest43557> Okay
[17:39] <janimo> after figuring out git submodule and whatever deps were needed on ubuntu to build it
[17:40] <kenvandine> yeah, that is a little trickier :)
[17:40] <ogra_> janimo, oooh, can we expect fancy mobile games from you in the store soon ?
[17:40] <kenvandine> i guess i should updated the readme :)
[17:40] <janimo> I liked the demos, I guess most of it is due to box2d and physics engines in general being able to impress me
[17:40] <janimo> ogra_, heh, if I only produced fancy new results for each technology I try out for 30 minutes :)
[17:41] <kenvandine> janimo, so bacon2d provides much more, but we don't want to reimplement all the physics stuff
[17:41] <janimo> kenvandine, makes sense since box2d is more or less state of the art I guess
[17:41] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:41] <kenvandine> although qml-box2d is seeing lots of churn right now
[17:41] <janimo> I saw no docs for bacons so could not really tell what else it is provided (parallax view is the one that jumps out on the website)
[17:42] <kenvandine> the pixelsToMeters  stuff just landed, so a big change
[17:42] <kenvandine> good for resolution independence :)
[17:42] <kenvandine> yeah, we need API docs... and there is no guarantee we won't break API for a while
[17:43] <kenvandine> although, i don't have a ton of free time to work on it, so probably won't break much :)
[17:43] <kenvandine> just add to it
[17:43] <kenvandine> janimo, do you have a device with ubuntu touch?
[17:43] <kenvandine> i can give you a click of pathwind to try out :)
[17:44] <janimo> kenvandine, several :)
[17:44] <janimo> kenvandine, sure please do :)
[17:44] <janimo> is it open source btw?
[17:45] <kenvandine> http://ubuntuone.com/5hzi3j5dw3XUiOcF1ixyWS
[17:45] <kenvandine> yup
[17:45] <kenvandine> i just haven't pushed the source anywhere yet
[17:45] <kenvandine> hopefully tonight
[17:45] <janimo> ok, I thought I'd also see a more realistic example than those in the dir but no hurry
[17:46] <kenvandine> if anyone else wants to try pathwind, grab the click package at that link ;)
[17:46] <janimo> and do so before the end of June :)
[17:46] <kenvandine> it still needs some tweaking
[17:46] <kenvandine> haha :)
[17:48] <kenvandine> i reused some fixtures from the original source done for the n9, which is licensed lgpl... weird since it isn't a library :)
[17:48] <kenvandine> and the artwork is all CC
[17:50] <kenvandine> mhall119, you should grab that click too http://ubuntuone.com/5hzi3j5dw3XUiOcF1ixyWS
[17:51] <janimo> kenvandine, it's working although without the charming music, this device has no working sound
[17:52] <kenvandine> ah :)
[17:52] <kenvandine> the velocity and impulses need tweaking, hard to get a good balance
[17:52] <kenvandine> i'm using units.gu from the ubuntu sdk to set the pixelsPerMeter for box2d
[17:53] <dobey> is it possible to package UOA plug-ins as clicks yet?
[17:53] <kenvandine> which is much better than static
[17:53] <kenvandine> dobey, i know cwayne did a bunch of work on that
[17:53] <kenvandine> cwayne, ^^
[17:57] <cwayne> dobey, it never landed in the image, but there's an open MP for support for it
[17:57] <dobey> oh ok
[17:58] <dobey> i don't quite have any idea how it's going to be useful, but i'll wait to make a click of a plug-in
[17:58] <mhall119> kenvandine: is it possible to package wallpapers as clicks yet? ;)
[17:58] <kenvandine> haha ;)
[17:59] <kenvandine> it's possible :)
[17:59] <kenvandine> but system-settings won't find them :)
[18:00] <t1mp> jamesh_: hello
[18:01] <dobey> hmm, but should i try to nab an N5 for cheap, or just buy one at full price from google
[18:01] <dobey> t1mp: i expect he's asleep right now :)
[18:01] <t1mp> jamesh_: do you remember the discussion in this MR https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/albumart-dbus/+merge/212362 about moving the QML thumbnailer out of the UITK?
[18:01] <t1mp> ah
[18:01] <t1mp> dobey: thanks :)
[18:03] <dobey> t1mp: e-mail might be best. he's in .au, so time zone is way off from europe/americas
[18:03] <t1mp> ack
[18:07] <dobey> hrmm, or
[18:07] <cwayne> t1mp, hiya, anything for me to help test re: new headers? :)
[18:08] <dobey> anyone know if there are any good chinese knock-offs of the N4 or N5, with same hardware but in a smaller/slimmer form factor?
[18:09] <t1mp> cwayne: nope, not right now. some stuff is coming soon, but still in the queue for landing
[18:10] <t1mp> cwayne: new tabs are in this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/30-optIn-tabsDrawer in case you are interested. You need to set your MainView.useDeprecatedToolbar to false to enable it
[18:10] <t1mp> cwayne: some other stuff needs to land before I can land that branch
[18:11] <t1mp> cwayne: I don't remember if I sent you this before, but the new header actions discussion is in this document https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1wUUKtPmRmwbUELC1BUB9l0VOAwS_zAPRSCqMopUxR1c/edit#heading=h.yv1xue68vkeu
[18:12] <cwayne> t1mp, that's super helpful, thanks!  any idea when the header api is planned to be agreed upon?
[18:12] <Graknol> I get the feeling that "apt-get source android" is not sufficient, it's so tiny!
[18:13] <Graknol> Do i need to download the AOSP source too, or is it the source, im very confused :3
[18:19] <mhall119> Elleo: Deep Vision things my bread and my coffee mug are "Mortar" :)
[18:23] <Elleo> heh
[18:23] <ogra_> Graknol, try this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AOSPBuild
[18:24] <Elleo> mhall119: that classifier only has a fairly limited number of things its trained on, you can see the list here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/173317971/ImageNet.words
[18:24] <Elleo> its quite a random sample of stuff, so plenty of things won't get recognised by it
[18:24] <mhall119> I know, I just found it amusing
[18:25] <Elleo> it actually produces a number of candidates, in deep vision I'm just displaying the top one; when I showed it some pictures of my narrowboat using the top two results it decided it was a "limousine canoe" which seemed pretty accurate :P
[18:26] <Elleo> it also came up with "amphibian train"
[18:29] <Elleo> I might add a mode to show you amalgams of the top two or three results, as they can be pretty funy
[18:29] <Elleo> funny*
[18:30] <Graknol> ogra_, OMG THX! you're a lifesaver :D
[18:30] <t1mp> cwayne: end of the week :)
[18:30] <t1mp> cwayne: feel free to leave comments/suggestions/questions in the document
[18:32] <dobey> mhall119: leave the bread steeped in the coffee long enough, and see what you get ;)
[18:34] <cwayne> t1mp, awesome, thanks :)
[18:36] <cwayne> t1mp, that's the main blocker for actually implementing the new headers, right?
[18:39] <mhall119> dobey: more mortar I assume
[18:39] <mhall119> kenvandine: path wind is fun
[18:40] <dobey> mhall119: it's a time dilation analyses of the picture ;)
[18:40] <t1mp> cwayne: currently we don't really have blockers, it just takes time to land the pre-requisites, and to finish the API and do the implementation
[18:41] <kenvandine> mhall119, it has potential
[18:41] <kenvandine> i need to make it progressively get harder as it levels up
[18:41] <kenvandine> and give it a viewport so you can see when you fly off the top of the screen
[18:41] <t1mp> cwayne: the new tabs need to land, and then the back button needs to be moved to the header, and then I'll work on implementing the new actions API
[18:44] <t1mp> cwayne: and each step includes testing a lot of apps to make sure we don't break anything
[18:44] <cwayne> t1mp, understood
[18:47] <mhall119> popey: I can't open the calendar, I keep getting:
[18:47] <mhall119> qmlscene: failed to check version of file 'calendar.qml', could not open...
[18:47] <mhall119> any idea?
[19:05] <popey> mhall119: on desktop or device?
[19:06] <mhall119> nexus 4
[19:06] <popey> odd. opens here.
[19:06] <popey> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ click list | grep calendar
[19:06] <popey> com.ubuntu.calendar	0.4.246
[19:07] <popey> current build number: 302
[19:07] <mhall119> same info for me...
[19:10] <dduffey> anyone else having issues with google docs/hangouts?
[19:18] <dobey> dduffey: only when i have to use them. ;)
[19:31]  * sergiusens is really disliking all the website webapps in the store
[20:03] <bact> sergiusens: have you ever used a smartphone os before?
[20:03] <bact> sergiusens: thats what 70% of apps on other app stores are like
[20:04] <bact> the other 30% are dull games
[20:05] <sergiusens> bact: I have; I just don't like them
[20:05] <bact> I hate the trend too
[20:06] <ajalkane> They're there to boost the application number in stores. No one's impressed with "Now with over 100 unique apps!". It's more impressive to boast about 100 000 apps without mentioning they're silly web/rss-feed apps :P
[20:07] <bact> quality > quantity
[20:07] <ajalkane> I think you gots it backwards
[20:08] <bact> personally I don't even use much apps on android, I only have a dozen or so I use on a regular basis
[20:44] <janimo> kenvandine, can the bacon examples be run with qmlscene or any other way without a rebuild?
[20:44] <janimo> kenvandine, the examples work without having run make install
[20:55] <kenvandine> janimo, not without tweaking them so they don't use resources
[20:55] <kenvandine> you don't need to install though
[20:55] <janimo> kenvandine, so those cannot be loaded at runtime?
[20:55] <kenvandine> you can just pass the path to the plugin
[20:56] <kenvandine> they can, just need to change the qml
[20:56] <kenvandine> actually, i wonder if they will be found if they are in the current dir
[20:56] <janimo> kenvandine, I get module "Bacon2D" is not installed when running via qmlscene, and I tried passing -I and also the QML_IMPORT_PATH var
[20:56] <janimo> should it be build/src/imports ?
[20:56] <kenvandine> yes
[20:57] <kenvandine> that works for me
[20:57] <kenvandine> with -I
[20:57] <kenvandine> it's also QML2_IMPORT_PATH
[20:57] <kenvandine> i think
[20:57] <kenvandine> but -I should work
[20:58] <janimo> kenvandine, ah QML2 . The reamde has QML_IMPORT_PATH
[20:58] <janimo> readme
[20:58] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[20:58] <kenvandine> that's old...
[20:59] <kenvandine> in the examples, you might need to remove the ":/" from the images, etc
[20:59] <janimo> kenvandine, and qmlscene -I does not have an effect
[20:59] <janimo> kenvandine, well yes, Cannot open: qrc:/images/wall.jpg
[20:59] <kenvandine> qmlscene -I path/to/build/src/imports GameWindow.qml
[20:59] <kenvandine> for example
[20:59] <janimo> but at least it has progressed
[21:01] <janimo> kenvandine, ok -I works too, I had imports/Bacon2D
[21:01] <kenvandine> ok
[21:01] <janimo> and previously I tried with import not imports . sigh. Anyway good to know the things that are supposed to work, work :)
[21:03] <janimo> kenvandine, so chaning the qml to drop qrc:/ from the image name does it. But now it may break the binary version
[21:03] <janimo> kenvandine, anyway thanks, nicer testing this way already
[21:04] <kenvandine> it will :)
[21:04] <kenvandine> i'd rather clean up all those examples to run with qmlscene anyway... this is leftover from quasi using their own launcher
[21:05] <kenvandine> which is kind of nice for setting the import path, etc
[21:05] <kenvandine> but i'm not a fan of using qrc
[21:06] <janimo> I had only written one qml app, it had images and sounds and did not use qrc, so I guess it can be run and deployed as a click
[21:07] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:07] <kenvandine> much simpler
[21:49] <skmoe> when i run ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 grouper, the touch doesnt work. any ideas?
[21:51] <dobey> skmoe: the system froze probably. also grouper is no longer supported by the official builds; you'll need to switch to community builds to get further updates for it
[22:15] <mandi> hello
[22:16] <mandi> Device is |tuna|
[22:23] <luis_> question
[22:23] <luis_> how install ubuntu touch on xperia x10
[22:39] <dobey> !devices
[22:40] <dobey> ^^ mandi
[22:40] <mandi> dobey: hi
[22:41] <mandi> dobey: help me please about install ubuntu on my galaxy nexus i9250
[22:45] <Beldar> mandi, Is the nexus rooted?
[22:47] <mandi> Beldar: yes I unloked it
[22:49] <Beldar> mandi, My mistake I was going to suggest the multirom app, but it has limited device application. This is in development so are you sure it's what you want?
[22:50] <mandi> Beldar: yes
[22:54] <Beldar> mandi, I see that phone is listed, follow the install info  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[23:01] <mandi> Beldar: ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap --device=maguro --channel=trusty it's right?
[23:15] <Beldar> mandi, Been awhile since I did it, I remember it as installing fine or needing a manual install, this was on a nexus 7 however just checking it out.