[01:20] another quiet night every chan im in is quiet [01:59] * diddledan yawns [01:59] is it sleepytime yet? [02:09] not for me [02:09] im contemplating going to tesco do my shopping [02:09] a ) its empty so easy but b_) i cant be bothered with the 20min e/w walk [02:17] * nigelb waves [02:17] Good Morning! [02:20] hey [02:20] http://www.netwars-project.com/ [02:20] just got up nigelb?:P [02:20] interesting cyber-security thing [02:20] argh [02:20] http://www.binarypilot.co/?id=f6b635&sub=prop [02:21] keep getting stuff like tat [02:21] useless garbage [02:31] mapp: I'm in India. It's 8am here. [02:31] (woke up around 6) [02:32] mapp: wtf did you get that crud from? (the binary pilot link) [03:06] done! [03:06] there and back in 30mins [03:06] some annoying popup diddledan [03:06] im not recommending it;p [05:58] hello all [06:01] Morning MooDoo [06:01] Happy fake-Tuesday. [06:01] erm [06:01] fake-Monday [06:01] proves the point, doesn't it? :) [06:06] morning all [06:07] is it just me or is chromium really messed up in 14.04 ? [06:09] jussi: I heard popey talk about something similar with the latest chromium update. [06:09] nigelb: my backspace and delete keys don't work! [06:10] ... [06:11] that sounds fairly serious. [06:11] I hope chromium isn't yet the default browser. [06:11] wait a sec, lets see if a restart of chromium helps... [06:12] on my Chromium on 12.04 I can do Google Hangouts just fine [06:12] Myrtti: yeah, but on 14.04? [06:12] but if I use the normal Chrome, whateverthehell version it is, it just prompts me back to installing the plugin [06:12] My colleague, amusingly, can only do hangouts on Firefox. Doesn't work on Firefox. [06:12] over, and over, and over again [06:13] Myrtti: Oh. Do you hvae the right architecture of chrome? (it happened to me with flash) [06:13] 64-bit flash and 32-bit browser = no workey. [06:13] hrm, restart partially helped... it now only doesnt work *sometimes* .... [06:13] ... [06:13] jussi: sorry, I got an update last week that basically prevents my OEM laptop from upgrading to LTS [06:13] well, new LTS [06:13] jussi: wtf [06:14] Myrtti: that sucks. [06:14] nigelb: yeah, weird as. everything working in chrome, so no idea whats going on [06:14] jussi: I don't really mind that much actually [06:14] OEM Ubuntu means the computer works [06:15] well, yeah, fair point [06:15] is it a dell? [06:16] yup [06:16] XPS13? [06:16] Dell Latitude E6430 [06:16] I did request XPS13 but it wasn't enterprise enough to pass the muster of the IT dept. [06:16] aww. [06:17] because cheap is obviously a sign it won't last [06:17] *rolleyes* [06:17] heh... [06:18] it would have been so nice and light to fly with... [06:18] *sigh* [06:18] Myrtti: I hear you [06:18] Ive an E4200 - getting a bit old in the tooth now, but still nice. [06:19] nigelb: yeah, the arch matches. I heard cz had similar issues with flash plugin last week [06:21] flash doesnt work on my home PC either (upgraded last week) despite me reinstalling it like 15 times... [08:04] Mornin' [08:08] morning smittix === xnox is now known as NoNameYet_xnox [08:30] Morning all [08:35] hey folks [08:41] howdy dwatkins [08:45] today is a good day to stay indoors [08:46] pffft, we have blue skies and sunshine! and more than 10 degrees! [08:49] ... [08:50] somehow jussi celebrating "more than 10 degrees" scares me a bit. [08:50] nigelb: its april... :D [08:51] jussi: My city is seeing 30+ every day :( [08:51] nigelb: Im glad Im not there - I hate it too hot [08:52] Heh [08:52] I'm only happy that there's not much humidity. [09:05] Myrtti: I did took following the steps a few times for it to wake up and relase it had installed and a reboot later all worked [09:05] and yes I have ct on highlight :) [09:10] well this is basically end of May weather in Finland [09:11] it's not unheard of of getting sleet or even snow on May Day [09:11] morning === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc [09:13] czajkowski: I might try that [09:17] Myrtti: weather here has been awful most of the weekend [09:17] Friday and SAturday weren't bad [09:17] sunday and monday bleugh [09:18] * czajkowski will be in Oslo, Helsinki and now Stockholm in June [09:47] morning boys and girls. [09:48] hello brobostigon [09:49] hello MooDoo [09:50] Did we all get a visit from the Eostre Bunny? [09:53] yes, my special dairy free chocolate. [09:59] Morning all [10:00] morning davmor2 [10:01] morning davmor2 [10:01] is there a davmor1 ? [10:01] one davmor2 is all we can handle [10:01] :) [10:08] brobostigon: there was when I first install Suse 6.3 which is where I got the nick from, Never seen the nick since though but by then I had it registered everywhere [10:19] brobostigon: in fact it was suse that got me the nick, They recommended the format of fisrt 3 letter of you first and last name and a number :) [10:20] so MooDoo how was your break [10:21] davmor2: mostly good thanks :D [10:23] How was everyones elses Easter break? [10:26] good [10:26] tiring [10:26] churchy [10:26] chocolately [10:27] davmor2: ah, i see. :) [10:36] not churcy for me, just chocolatey [10:38] MartijnVdS: ping [10:41] jussi: [10:41] * jussi waves vigorously :D [10:41] and PMs [10:43] Moo. [10:43] hei popey! [10:45] Have you mooed today? [10:47] MOOO! [10:47] now I have... [10:47] Laney: been a long time since I had a conversation with you... [10:48] Laney: Run it's a trap [10:49] davmor2: sssshhh!!! :P [10:49] See [10:52] hey jussi! [10:52] bad davmor2 [10:54] Laney: It's the Interwebz it's always a trap [11:02] davmor2: clickbait :P [11:03] jussi: Trap I tell you :D Even more so if you read the comments, then your lifeforce is sucked from you [11:03] haha [11:03] true that.. [11:03] davmor2: I should rickroll you, just for fun... :P [11:07] jussi: http://goo.gl/8YIXzU [11:07] jussi: I think that is the best one I've ever seen :) [11:07] davmor2: yeah, I saw that one [11:07] pretyt cool [11:31] cannot login to my library to renew books :S [11:37] foobarry: why? [11:42] broke last week [11:42] don't suppose IT systems people for libraries are the best [11:45] foobarry: ring your local library and let them know they might not actually be aware at all [11:45] foobarry: a lot of the work might be centralised with a 3rd party who are slacking off [11:50] its a london wide libary system i think [11:50] arena [11:58] doritos never seem to go stale [12:42] it's all the wifi [13:49] MooDoo:Hiiiiiiiii [13:50] hello [14:09] quiet considerig 14.04 got released recently [14:22] Thats a good sign, it means people aren't commenting on having issues [14:23] So far it passes the Dear Grey Haired Old Mum test [14:23] Installed it for mum at the weekend. [14:23] Comments so far "It looks a bit more crisp and techy" [14:24] (over 12.04) [14:24] my laptop touchpad is sucky :( === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:24] foobarry: TMI. [14:25] sucky, not sticky [14:25] its jerky and scrool is intolerably slow [14:25] and i don't understand the undocumented alps glidepoint stuffs [14:26] awilkins: lol, dang. === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:33] how long do i have before u1 stops letting me copy files? [14:34] !u1 [14:35] bah [14:35] blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/ [14:35] "The current services will be unavailable from 1 June 2014; user content will remain available for download until 31 July, at which time it will be deleted." [14:35] haven't made a decision yet [14:37] cononical providing free os and services.Who knows microsoft shutting down tomarrow and if it happens anyone going to die. [14:37] some interesting comments on that post [14:40] * popey hugs SyncThing [14:42] trying to get my head around olc in ldap. new config style. [14:42] slapd.conf gone away [14:47] popey: Do you know when the name of 14.10 is being announced? [14:47] not soon enough [14:47] Heh [14:48] Unified Ungulate [14:48] done. [14:54] undulating unicorn. you heard it here first. [14:55] usurping uakari [14:55] ululating uakari [14:55] * Laney lalalala [15:12] Ubuntu 14.10 Unified Userexperience [15:12] isn't that what all the cool kids are doing nowadays? [15:13] umbilical [15:15] Ultimate Umbrellabird [15:15] Ugly Uguisu [15:15] Usorious Uakari [15:16] somebody found the same "animals that begin with U" page as me [15:17] what about the usula bird? the one that disappears up it's own... [15:19] there's a page on the wiki with speculation for every release [15:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames [15:19] aah google tells me it's spelt "oozlum" [15:19] one of the more active wiki pages we have ! [15:23] Unity8 Umbilical_cord is the obvious one :) [15:23] FSVO "Obvious" [15:29] Uninvited Uromastyx [15:29] unshakable unicorn [15:30] unphased urchin [15:30] unthinking urangutan [15:31] ^^^ very similar to the diddlus danus [15:31] it'll probably be unicorn [15:31] unicorns aren't real though [15:31] I can understand why mark hasn't posted about the new codename yet [15:31] neither are jackalopes [15:32] so there's precedance [15:32] >.< [15:32] understandable unicorn [15:33] unimaginable unicorn? [15:34] surely without the new name, no work can be done [15:34] I bet someone with hovering their finger over a grep command within the repos [15:35] sed even [15:35] that's a good point, because without a name we don't have an identity or presence or guide to adhere [15:36] it'll be anarchy without a name [15:37] it's anarchy enough already! [16:18] struggling to install 14.04 on a laptop. I just get an immediate kernel panic "not syncing" [17:02] bashrc: that often means it can't find the hdd [17:02] or the hdd moved since installation === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [18:01] evening folks [21:33] everyone on 14.04 now? [21:34] yeah for months [21:34] i normally do a fresh install when it actually releases but i haven't got around to it yet [21:40] does anyone bother running a local mirror for themselves [21:40] guess no need ubless a lot of machines likely to be usingapt-get? [21:40] *using apt-get [21:42] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zls2rg6aokducef/eMeFTzT9nf [21:42] just flew home on a jet :) [21:43] :( [21:43] cant access dropbox [21:43] I'm leavin' on a jet plane, I don't know when I'll be back again. [21:43] hmm this is incredibly slow [21:43] wonder what its doing [21:43] trying to mirror deb-i386 main [21:46] changed motd to include local weather..not needed but i was bored [21:46] :D [21:47] maps|wrk: the archive is large! [21:47] i would like for a local ISP to setup a mirror [21:48] lol yea ididnt remove deb-src and it said 53gig id commented out most [21:48] main alone for 13.04 is 8.9gig [21:48] so on my blazing fast connection..hours :) [21:50] my RAID was spitting sector repair errors again after i left, so i'm gonna have to get on replacing the funky disk [21:50] be best to run it in a screen so i can reattach ? if i run it in the background with & how can i call it back? [21:50] fg 1 [21:50] the apt service? surely it's daemon-able [21:51] hm,mm [21:51] whats the diff between doing & and then callig it back and using screen? [21:51] I'm not sure you can call it back once bash is terminated [21:52] ah [21:53] what could i run in bg tghen call back? tried nmap and it still jeept pumping out to stdout [21:54] why would you run nmap other than as-and-when? :D [21:54] just to see if i could call it back [21:54] copuldnt think of anything else that would keep working [22:02] irssi! [22:03] that always seems hard to use [22:03] isnt it like BX? [22:04] I can't work irssi [22:04] I like sidebars [22:04] yea i struggle [22:05] especially with multi channels in console text isnt it hard daftykins ? [22:05] yeah multiple channels is the thing I have most trouble with in irssi, too [22:06] i'm a noob with it, i've got my auto join channels setup and i just dance between them with alt+# [22:06] my first PM comes up as alt+0, then after that i start doing /win xx [22:06] XD [22:06] I've got 12 channels open across networks [22:06] but it does me well, it lets me reattach between computer so i don't reconnect messily all the time [22:07] there's only 10 alt-able windows [22:07] yarr [22:07] heh 12 [22:08] * popey looks at his 116 irc windows [22:08] ;) [22:08] i should trim them [22:08] ouch [22:08] that's a fair few [22:08] I'd never get any work done if I had that many open [22:08] i dont view them all [22:08] i don't get any work done now [22:08] now trimming! [22:08] 8D [22:09] maps|wrk: du -sh . just returned the size of archive.ubuntu.com at 781GB [22:09] ho-lee moley. [22:09] lol [22:09] how did you run that afainst a remote server [22:09] 116 windows?! over how many monitors [22:09] I didn't, I ran it on my own copy which is a mirror of archive.ubuntu.com [22:10] I need to fiddle with it a tad, it's nfs mounted right now >.< [22:11] diddledan: do you consider that bad? [22:11] daftykins: when the mirror is serving over the same connection the nfs is mounted, yes [22:12] means that the maximum throughput would be about halved [22:12] lol nice diddledan how long did it take to mirror that [22:12] all im doing is mirroring deb-i386 main [22:12] maps|wrk: from memory nearly 12 hours [22:14] woah nice [22:14] whats your net? [22:14] it's a gigabit network at hetzner [22:16] :D [22:16] ah so not your home connectrion [22:16] heh, no :-p [22:18] still..i'm fairly certain your nets better than my 6mbit;p [22:24] maps|wrk: you recently switched provider didn't you? wan't it better before? [22:24] *wasn't [22:26] well, better but still awful [22:26] 6mbit with bethere..to 6mbit with sky and a constantly changing IP and lots of disconnections [22:29] ive dettached my screen copying the mirror [22:29] will check in an hour and see what its done:) [23:01] does ubuntu support chmod +a ? [23:03] gebbione: to do what? [23:04] permission setup like sudo chmod +a "$HTTPDUSER allow delete,write,append,file_inherit,directory_inherit" app/cache app/logs [23:05] I've never seen a chmod along those lines [23:08] access control lists are managed via the setfacl utility if that's what you're after - it's in the acl-*.deb file === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:09] http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/acl [23:10] there's probably a bot command to fish that url out but I don't know it so I went in manually [23:10] !p acl [23:10] no worries, i am following a couple of pages [23:10] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs [23:10] but since i had never seen acl before and its usage i was curious to ask around [23:11] also i do not seem to be able to run a command like sudo setfacl -Rn -m u:"$HTTPDUSER":rwX -m u:`whoami`:rwX app/cache app/logs [23:11] it keeps saying operation not supported [23:12] try splitting it [23:12] put each -m in a separate command [23:12] also if your username has spaces then it'll likely b0rk [23:13] no i m using vagrant, no spaces [23:13] but even spitting the command does not work [23:14] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/setfacl.1.html might help [23:18] what's the upper-case X permission supposed to represent? [23:19] execute is lower-case "x" [23:21] The options -M, and -X [23:21] read an ACL from a file or from standard input. The ACL entry format is [23:21] described in Section ACL ENTRIES. [23:21] i m actually not sure of why the command is run that way, it is part of an instruction set to install symfony [23:21] you're not using -M OR -X. the upper-case "X" permission I'm referring to is "-m u:`whoami`:rwX" [23:22] hmm [23:22] maps|wrk: how goes? [23:23] changing the case for that x makes no difference [23:23] so anyone able to help out ..i put a script in /usr/local/bin to basically do cowsay || fortune -- for the motd - then created a symlink ln -s for it in /etc/update-motd.d/91-welcome [23:24] but nothing new shows on login? created a script in /usr/local/bin called weather and made a link same way ln -s 98-weather and that shows on login [23:24] maps|wrk: wrong output channel? [23:24] really confused, read the manpage and it says scripts get output in order [23:24] not sure what you mean [23:25] STDERR vs STDOUT [23:25] all i did was call like fortune || cowsay -n [23:25] should go to stdout ? bash ./usr/local/bin/welcome and it shows either on stdout [23:26] i was looking at, https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/741573-put-a-talking-cow-in-your-linux-message-of-the-day [23:26] can you see if it works for you? [23:27] did you use double || or single | ? [23:28] remember there's a difference - you want to pipe the output of the fortune command into the cowsay command [23:28] sorry meant | [23:29] but it didnt work for me when logging in running the script manually worked tho [23:32] can you try on yours? if it works for you ..gotta be something else on my piece of junk [23:38] so what's trusty gone and done with Xorg.0.log in a live session? we booted it up on a friends laptop today whilst i was still in England [23:38] maps|wrk: it works for me [23:39] gah [23:39] what did you do exactly? [23:39] maps|wrk: I ensured to use full pathnames to the cowsay and fortune binaries (/usr/games/) and made sure that the file in /usr/local/bin was executable and had a #! line [23:40] #!/bin/bash ? [23:40] hmm [23:40] yup [23:40] or at a ping /bin/dash [23:40] pinch** [23:41] it took a couple logins to take [23:41] hmm [23:43] what did you call the file? and the link -s to what [23:44] called it /usr/local/bin/cow [23:44] and linked to /etc/update-motd.d/91-cow [23:45] i messed with that file [23:45] hmm [23:45] failed to exec /etc/update-motd.d/10-stats: E [23:47] now it seems to be working [23:47] odd [23:50] do we have to use exec or can you just call them diddledan ? [23:50] I didn't use exec [23:50] thanks