[01:20] <mapp> another quiet night every chan im in is quiet
[01:59]  * diddledan yawns
[01:59] <diddledan> is it sleepytime yet?
[02:09] <mapp> not for me
[02:09] <mapp> im contemplating going to tesco do my shopping
[02:09] <mapp> a ) its empty so easy but b_) i cant be bothered with the 20min e/w walk
[02:17]  * nigelb waves
[02:17] <nigelb> Good Morning!
[02:20] <mapp> hey
[02:20] <diddledan> http://www.netwars-project.com/
[02:20] <mapp> just got up nigelb?:P
[02:20] <diddledan> interesting cyber-security thing
[02:20] <mapp> argh
[02:20] <mapp> http://www.binarypilot.co/?id=f6b635&sub=prop
[02:21] <mapp> keep getting stuff like tat
[02:21] <mapp> useless garbage
[02:31] <nigelb> mapp: I'm in India. It's 8am here.
[02:31] <nigelb> (woke up around 6)
[02:32] <diddledan> mapp: wtf did you get that crud from? (the binary pilot link)
[03:06] <mapp> done!
[03:06] <mapp> there and back in 30mins
[03:06] <mapp> some annoying popup diddledan
[03:06] <mapp> im not recommending it;p
[05:58] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:01] <nigelb> Morning MooDoo
[06:01] <nigelb> Happy fake-Tuesday.
[06:01] <nigelb> erm
[06:01] <nigelb> fake-Monday
[06:01] <nigelb> proves the point, doesn't it? :)
[06:06] <jussi> morning all
[06:07] <jussi> is it just me or is chromium really messed up in 14.04 ?
[06:09] <nigelb> jussi: I heard popey talk about something similar with the latest chromium update.
[06:09] <jussi> nigelb: my backspace and delete keys don't work!
[06:10] <nigelb> ...
[06:11] <nigelb> that sounds fairly serious.
[06:11] <nigelb> I hope chromium isn't yet the default browser.
[06:11] <jussi> wait a sec, lets see if a restart of chromium helps...
[06:12] <Myrtti> on my Chromium on 12.04 I can do Google Hangouts just fine
[06:12] <jussi> Myrtti: yeah, but on 14.04?
[06:12] <Myrtti> but if I use the normal Chrome, whateverthehell version it is, it just prompts me back to installing the plugin
[06:12] <nigelb> My colleague, amusingly, can only do hangouts on Firefox. Doesn't work on Firefox.
[06:12] <Myrtti> over, and over, and over again
[06:13] <nigelb> Myrtti: Oh. Do you hvae the right architecture of chrome? (it happened to me with flash)
[06:13] <nigelb> 64-bit flash and 32-bit browser = no workey.
[06:13] <jussi> hrm, restart partially helped... it now only doesnt work *sometimes* ....
[06:13] <jussi> ...
[06:13] <Myrtti> jussi: sorry, I got an update last week that basically prevents my OEM laptop from upgrading to LTS
[06:13] <Myrtti> well, new LTS
[06:13] <nigelb> jussi: wtf
[06:14] <jussi> Myrtti: that sucks.
[06:14] <jussi> nigelb: yeah, weird as. everything working in chrome, so no idea whats going on
[06:14] <Myrtti> jussi: I don't really mind that much actually
[06:14] <Myrtti> OEM Ubuntu means the computer works
[06:15] <jussi> well, yeah, fair point
[06:15] <jussi> is it a dell?
[06:16] <Myrtti> yup
[06:16] <jussi> XPS13?
[06:16] <Myrtti> Dell Latitude E6430
[06:16] <Myrtti> I did request XPS13 but it wasn't enterprise enough to pass the muster of the IT dept.
[06:16] <jussi> aww.
[06:17] <Myrtti> because cheap is obviously a sign it won't last
[06:17] <Myrtti> *rolleyes*
[06:17] <jussi> heh...
[06:18] <Myrtti> it would have been so nice and light to fly with...
[06:18] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[06:18] <jussi> Myrtti: I hear you
[06:18] <jussi> Ive an E4200 - getting a bit old in the tooth now, but still nice.
[06:19] <Myrtti> nigelb: yeah, the arch matches. I heard cz<tab> had similar issues with flash plugin last week
[06:21] <jussi> flash doesnt work on my home PC either (upgraded last week) despite me reinstalling it like 15 times...
[08:04] <smittix> Mornin'
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning smittix
[08:30] <diplo> Morning all
[08:35] <dwatkins> hey folks
[08:41] <MooDoo> howdy dwatkins
[08:45] <dwatkins> today is a good day to stay indoors
[08:46] <jussi> pffft, we have blue skies and sunshine! and more than 10 degrees!
[08:49] <nigelb> ...
[08:50] <nigelb> somehow jussi celebrating "more than 10 degrees" scares me a bit.
[08:50] <jussi> nigelb: its april... :D
[08:51] <nigelb> jussi: My city is seeing 30+ every day :(
[08:51] <jussi> nigelb: Im glad Im not there - I hate it too hot
[08:52] <nigelb> Heh
[08:52] <nigelb> I'm only happy that there's not much humidity.
[09:05] <czajkowski> Myrtti: I did took following the steps a few times for it to wake up and relase it had installed and a reboot later all worked
[09:05] <czajkowski> and yes I have ct<tab> on highlight :)
[09:10] <Myrtti> well this is basically end of May weather in Finland
[09:11] <Myrtti> it's not unheard of of getting sleet or even snow on May Day
[09:11] <bashrc_> morning
[09:13] <Myrtti> czajkowski: I might try that
[09:17] <czajkowski> Myrtti: weather here has been awful most of the weekend
[09:17] <czajkowski> Friday and SAturday weren't bad
[09:17] <czajkowski> sunday and monday bleugh
[09:18]  * czajkowski will be in Oslo, Helsinki and now Stockholm in June 
[09:47] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:48] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon
[09:49] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo
[09:50] <awilkins> Did we all get a visit from the Eostre Bunny?
[09:53] <brobostigon> yes, my special dairy free chocolate.
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:00] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:01] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:01] <brobostigon> is there a davmor1 ?
[10:01] <czajkowski> one davmor2 is all we can handle
[10:01] <czajkowski> :)
[10:08] <davmor2> brobostigon: there was when I first install Suse 6.3 which is where I got the nick from, Never seen the nick since though but by then I had it registered everywhere
[10:19] <davmor2> brobostigon: in fact it was suse that got me the nick, They recommended the format of fisrt 3 letter of you first and last name and a number :)
[10:20] <davmor2> so MooDoo how was your break
[10:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: mostly good thanks :D
[10:23] <davmor2> How was everyones elses Easter break?
[10:26] <foobarry> good
[10:26] <foobarry> tiring
[10:26] <foobarry> churchy
[10:26] <foobarry> chocolately
[10:27] <brobostigon> davmor2: ah, i see. :)
[10:36] <MooDoo> not churcy for me, just chocolatey
[10:38] <jussi> MartijnVdS: ping
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> jussi:
[10:41]  * jussi waves vigorously :D
[10:41] <jussi> and PMs
[10:43] <popey> Moo.
[10:43] <jussi> hei popey!
[10:45] <Laney> Have you mooed today?
[10:47] <jussi> MOOO!
[10:47] <jussi> now I have...
[10:47] <jussi> Laney: been a long time since I had a conversation with you...
[10:48] <davmor2> Laney: Run it's a trap
[10:49] <jussi> davmor2: sssshhh!!! :P
[10:49] <davmor2> See
[10:52] <Laney> hey jussi!
[10:52] <Laney> bad davmor2
[10:54] <davmor2> Laney: It's the Interwebz it's always a trap
[11:02] <jussi> davmor2: clickbait :P
[11:03] <davmor2> jussi: Trap I tell you :D  Even more so if you read the comments, then your lifeforce is sucked from you
[11:03] <jussi> haha
[11:03] <jussi> true that..
[11:03] <jussi> davmor2: I should rickroll you, just for fun... :P
[11:07] <davmor2> jussi: http://goo.gl/8YIXzU
[11:07] <davmor2> jussi: I think that is the best one I've ever seen :)
[11:07] <jussi> davmor2: yeah, I saw that one
[11:07] <jussi> pretyt cool
[11:31] <foobarry> cannot login to my library to renew books :S
[11:37] <davmor2> foobarry: why?
[11:42] <foobarry> broke last week
[11:42] <foobarry> don't suppose IT systems people for libraries are the best
[11:45] <davmor2> foobarry: ring your local library and let them know they might not actually be aware at all
[11:45] <davmor2> foobarry: a lot of the work might be centralised with a 3rd party who are slacking off
[11:50] <foobarry> its a london wide libary system i think
[11:50] <foobarry> arena
[11:58] <foobarry> doritos never seem to go stale
[12:42] <dwatkins> it's all the wifi
[13:49] <dvrr> MooDoo:Hiiiiiiiii
[13:50] <MooDoo> hello
[14:09] <foobarry> quiet considerig 14.04 got released recently
[14:22] <DJones> Thats a good sign, it means people aren't commenting on having issues
[14:23] <awilkins> So far it passes the Dear Grey Haired Old Mum test
[14:23] <awilkins> Installed it for mum at the weekend.
[14:23] <awilkins> Comments so far "It looks a bit more crisp and techy"
[14:24] <awilkins> (over 12.04)
[14:24] <foobarry> my laptop touchpad is sucky :(
[14:24] <nigelb> foobarry: TMI.
[14:25] <awilkins> sucky, not sticky
[14:25] <foobarry> its jerky and scrool is intolerably slow
[14:25] <foobarry> and i don't understand the undocumented alps glidepoint stuffs
[14:26] <nigelb> awilkins: lol, dang.
[14:33] <foobarry> how long do i have before u1 stops letting me copy files?
[14:34] <popey> !u1
[14:35] <popey> bah
[14:35] <popey> blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[14:35] <popey> "The current services will be unavailable from 1 June 2014; user content will remain available for download until 31 July, at which time it will be deleted."
[14:35] <foobarry> haven't made a decision yet
[14:37] <Dave2> cononical providing free os and services.Who knows microsoft shutting down tomarrow and if it happens anyone going to die.
[14:37] <Dave2> some interesting comments on that post
[14:40]  * popey hugs SyncThing
[14:42] <foobarry> trying to get my head around olc in ldap. new config style.
[14:42] <foobarry> slapd.conf gone away
[14:47] <DJones> popey: Do you know when the name of 14.10 is being announced?
[14:47] <popey> not soon enough
[14:47] <DJones> Heh
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> Unified Ungulate
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> done.
[14:54] <directhex> undulating unicorn. you heard it here first.
[14:55] <foobarry> usurping uakari
[14:55] <Laney> ululating uakari
[14:55]  * Laney lalalala
[15:12] <dwatkins> Ubuntu 14.10 Unified Userexperience
[15:12] <dwatkins> isn't that what all the cool kids are doing nowadays?
[15:13] <Laney> umbilical
[15:15] <awilkins> Ultimate Umbrellabird
[15:15] <awilkins> Ugly Uguisu
[15:15] <awilkins> Usorious Uakari
[15:16] <Laney> somebody found the same "animals that begin with U" page as me
[15:17] <diddledan> what about the usula bird? the one that disappears up it's own...
[15:19] <popey> there's a page on the wiki with speculation for every release
[15:19] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[15:19] <diddledan> aah google tells me it's spelt "oozlum"
[15:19] <popey> one of the more active wiki pages we have !
[15:23] <davmor2> Unity8 Umbilical_cord is the obvious one :)
[15:23] <popey> FSVO "Obvious"
[15:29] <directhex> Uninvited Uromastyx
[15:29] <SuperMatt> unshakable unicorn
[15:30] <SuperMatt> unphased urchin
[15:30] <diddledan> unthinking urangutan
[15:31] <diddledan> ^^^ very similar to the diddlus danus
[15:31] <SuperMatt> it'll probably be unicorn
[15:31] <diddledan> unicorns aren't real though
[15:31] <SuperMatt> I can understand why mark hasn't posted about the new codename yet
[15:31] <SuperMatt> neither are jackalopes
[15:32] <SuperMatt> so there's precedance
[15:32] <diddledan> >.<
[15:32] <SuperMatt> understandable unicorn
[15:33] <diddledan> unimaginable unicorn?
[15:34] <SuperMatt> surely without the new name, no work can be done
[15:34] <SuperMatt> I bet someone with hovering their finger over a grep command within the repos
[15:35] <SuperMatt> sed even
[15:35] <diddledan> that's a good point, because without a name we don't have an identity or presence or guide to adhere
[15:36] <diddledan> it'll be anarchy without a name
[15:37] <SuperMatt> it's anarchy enough already!
[16:18] <bashrc> struggling to install 14.04 on a laptop.  I just get an immediate kernel panic "not syncing"
[17:02] <diddledan> bashrc: that often means it can't find the hdd
[17:02] <diddledan> or the hdd moved since installation
[18:01] <maps|wrk> evening folks
[21:33] <maps|wrk> everyone on 14.04 now?
[21:34] <ali1234> yeah for months
[21:34] <ali1234> i normally do a fresh install when it actually releases but i haven't got around to it yet
[21:40] <maps|wrk> does anyone bother running a local mirror for themselves
[21:40] <maps|wrk> guess no need ubless a lot of machines likely to be usingapt-get?
[21:40] <maps|wrk> *using apt-get
[21:42] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zls2rg6aokducef/eMeFTzT9nf
[21:42] <daftykins> just flew home on a jet :)
[21:43] <maps|wrk> :(
[21:43] <maps|wrk> cant access dropbox
[21:43] <diddledan> I'm leavin' on a jet plane, I don't know when I'll be back again.
[21:43] <maps|wrk> hmm this is incredibly slow
[21:43] <maps|wrk> wonder what its doing
[21:43] <maps|wrk> trying to mirror deb-i386 main
[21:46] <maps|wrk> changed motd to include local weather..not needed but i was bored
[21:46] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:47] <diddledan> maps|wrk: the archive is large!
[21:47] <daftykins> i would like for a local ISP to setup a mirror
[21:48] <maps|wrk> lol yea ididnt remove deb-src and it said 53gig id commented out most
[21:48] <maps|wrk> main alone for 13.04 is 8.9gig
[21:48] <maps|wrk> so on my blazing fast connection..hours :)
[21:50] <daftykins> my RAID was spitting sector repair errors again after i left, so i'm gonna have to get on replacing the funky disk
[21:50] <maps|wrk> be best to run it in a screen so i can reattach ? if i run it in the background with & how can i call it back?
[21:50] <diddledan> fg 1
[21:50] <daftykins> the apt service? surely it's daemon-able
[21:51] <maps|wrk> hm,mm
[21:51] <maps|wrk> whats the diff between doing & and then callig it back and using screen?
[21:51] <diddledan> I'm not sure you can call it back once bash is terminated
[21:52] <maps|wrk> ah
[21:53] <maps|wrk> what could i run in bg tghen call back? tried nmap and it still jeept pumping out to stdout
[21:54] <daftykins> why would you run nmap other than as-and-when? :D
[21:54] <maps|wrk> just to see if i could call it back
[21:54] <maps|wrk> copuldnt think of anything else that would keep working
[22:02] <daftykins> irssi!
[22:03] <maps|wrk> that always seems hard to use
[22:03] <maps|wrk> isnt it like BX?
[22:04] <diddledan> I can't work irssi
[22:04] <diddledan> I like sidebars
[22:04] <maps|wrk> yea i struggle
[22:05] <maps|wrk> especially with multi channels in console text isnt it hard daftykins ?
[22:05] <diddledan> yeah multiple channels is the thing I have most trouble with in irssi, too
[22:06] <daftykins> i'm a noob with it, i've got my auto join channels setup and i just dance between them with alt+#
[22:06] <daftykins> my first PM comes up as alt+0, then after that i start doing /win xx
[22:06] <daftykins> XD
[22:06] <diddledan> I've got 12 channels open across networks
[22:06] <daftykins> but it does me well, it lets me reattach between computer so i don't reconnect messily all the time
[22:07] <diddledan> there's only 10 alt-able windows
[22:07] <daftykins> yarr
[22:07] <popey> heh 12
[22:08]  * popey looks at his 116 irc windows
[22:08] <daftykins> ;)
[22:08] <popey> i should trim them
[22:08] <diddledan> ouch
[22:08] <diddledan> that's a fair few
[22:08] <diddledan> I'd never get any work done if I had that many open
[22:08] <popey> i dont view them all
[22:08] <daftykins> i don't get any work done now
[22:08] <popey> now trimming!
[22:08] <daftykins> 8D
[22:09] <diddledan> maps|wrk: du -sh . just returned the size of archive.ubuntu.com at 781GB
[22:09] <daftykins> ho-lee moley.
[22:09] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:09] <maps|wrk> how did you run that afainst a remote server
[22:09] <maps|wrk> 116 windows?! over how many monitors
[22:09] <diddledan> I didn't, I ran it on my own copy which is a mirror of archive.ubuntu.com
[22:10] <diddledan> I need to fiddle with it a tad, it's nfs mounted right now >.<
[22:11] <daftykins> diddledan: do you consider that bad?
[22:11] <diddledan> daftykins: when the mirror is serving over the same connection the nfs is mounted, yes
[22:12] <diddledan> means that the maximum throughput would be about halved
[22:12] <maps|wrk> lol nice diddledan  how long did it take to mirror that
[22:12] <maps|wrk> all im doing is mirroring deb-i386 main
[22:12] <diddledan> maps|wrk: from memory nearly 12 hours
[22:14] <maps|wrk> woah nice
[22:14] <maps|wrk> whats your net?
[22:14] <diddledan> it's a gigabit network at hetzner
[22:16] <maps|wrk> :D
[22:16] <maps|wrk> ah so not your home connectrion
[22:16] <diddledan> heh, no :-p
[22:18] <maps|wrk> still..i'm fairly certain your nets better than my 6mbit;p
[22:24] <daftykins> maps|wrk: you recently switched provider didn't you? wan't it better before?
[22:24] <daftykins> *wasn't
[22:26] <maps|wrk> well, better but still awful
[22:26] <maps|wrk> 6mbit with bethere..to 6mbit with sky and a constantly changing IP and lots of disconnections
[22:29] <maps|wrk> ive dettached my screen copying the mirror
[22:29] <maps|wrk> will check in an hour and see what its done:)
[23:01] <gebbione> does ubuntu support chmod +a ?
[23:03] <diddledan> gebbione: to do what?
[23:04] <gebbione> permission setup like sudo chmod +a "$HTTPDUSER allow delete,write,append,file_inherit,directory_inherit" app/cache app/logs
[23:05] <diddledan> I've never seen a chmod along those lines
[23:08] <diddledan> access control lists are managed via the setfacl utility if that's what you're after - it's in the acl-*.deb file
[23:09] <diddledan> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/acl
[23:10] <diddledan> there's probably a bot command to fish that url out but I don't know it so I went in manually
[23:10] <diddledan> !p acl
[23:10] <gebbione> no worries, i am following a couple of pages
[23:10] <gebbione> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[23:10] <gebbione> but since i had never seen acl before and its usage i was curious to ask around
[23:11] <gebbione> also i do not seem to be able to run a command like sudo setfacl -Rn -m u:"$HTTPDUSER":rwX -m u:`whoami`:rwX app/cache app/logs
[23:11] <gebbione> it keeps saying operation not supported
[23:12] <diddledan> try splitting it
[23:12] <diddledan> put each -m in a separate command
[23:12] <diddledan> also if your username has spaces then it'll likely b0rk
[23:13] <gebbione> no i m using vagrant, no spaces
[23:13] <gebbione> but even spitting the command does not work
[23:14] <diddledan> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/setfacl.1.html might help
[23:18] <diddledan> what's the upper-case X permission supposed to represent?
[23:19] <diddledan> execute is lower-case "x"
[23:21] <gebbione> The options -M, and -X
[23:21] <gebbione>        read an ACL from a file or from standard input. The ACL entry format is
[23:21] <gebbione>        described in Section ACL ENTRIES.
[23:21] <gebbione> i m actually not sure of why the command is run that way, it is part of an instruction set to install symfony
[23:21] <diddledan> you're not using -M OR -X. the upper-case "X" permission I'm referring to is "-m u:`whoami`:rwX"
[23:22] <maps|wrk> hmm
[23:22] <diddledan> maps|wrk: how goes?
[23:23] <gebbione> changing the case for that x makes no difference
[23:23] <maps|wrk> so anyone able to help out ..i put a script in /usr/local/bin to basically do cowsay || fortune -- for the motd - then created a symlink ln -s for it in /etc/update-motd.d/91-welcome
[23:24] <maps|wrk> but nothing new shows on login? created a script in /usr/local/bin called weather and made a link same way ln -s 98-weather and that shows on login
[23:24] <diddledan> maps|wrk: wrong output channel?
[23:24] <maps|wrk> really confused, read the manpage and it says scripts get output in order
[23:24] <maps|wrk> not sure what you mean
[23:25] <diddledan> STDERR vs STDOUT
[23:25] <maps|wrk> all i did was call like fortune || cowsay -n
[23:25] <maps|wrk> should go to stdout ? bash ./usr/local/bin/welcome and it shows either on stdout
[23:26] <maps|wrk> i was looking at, https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/741573-put-a-talking-cow-in-your-linux-message-of-the-day
[23:26] <maps|wrk> can you see if it works for you?
[23:27] <diddledan> did you use double || or single | ?
[23:28] <diddledan> remember there's a difference - you want to pipe the output of the fortune command into the cowsay command
[23:28] <maps|wrk> sorry meant |
[23:29] <maps|wrk> but it didnt work for me when logging in running the script manually worked tho
[23:32] <maps|wrk> can you try on yours? if it works for you ..gotta be something else on my piece of junk
[23:38] <daftykins> so what's trusty gone and done with Xorg.0.log in a live session? we booted it up on a friends laptop today whilst i was still in England
[23:38] <diddledan> maps|wrk: it works for me
[23:39] <maps|wrk> gah
[23:39] <maps|wrk> what did you do exactly?
[23:39] <diddledan> maps|wrk: I ensured to use full pathnames to the cowsay and fortune binaries (/usr/games/<wheeee>) and made sure that the file in /usr/local/bin was executable and had a #! line
[23:40] <maps|wrk> #!/bin/bash ?
[23:40] <maps|wrk> hmm
[23:40] <diddledan> yup
[23:40] <diddledan> or at a ping /bin/dash
[23:40] <diddledan> pinch**
[23:41] <diddledan> it took a couple logins to take
[23:41] <maps|wrk> hmm
[23:43] <maps|wrk> what did you call the file? and the link -s to what
[23:44] <diddledan> called it /usr/local/bin/cow
[23:44] <diddledan> and linked to /etc/update-motd.d/91-cow
[23:45] <maps|wrk> i messed with that file
[23:45] <maps|wrk> hmm
[23:45] <maps|wrk> failed to exec /etc/update-motd.d/10-stats: E
[23:47] <maps|wrk> now it seems to be working
[23:47] <maps|wrk> odd
[23:50] <maps|wrk> do we have to use exec or can you just call them diddledan ?
[23:50] <diddledan> I didn't use exec
[23:50] <maps|wrk> thanks