| greg-g | rick_h_: mispell in your post title :) | 04:55 |
|---|---|---|
| mrgoodcat | in what post title? | 05:09 |
| greg-g | his bookie gsoc post he posted tonight | 05:10 |
| greg-g | or, as he typed in the title "booke" | 05:11 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 05:12 |
| mrgoodcat | i didn't even notice | 05:12 |
| mrgoodcat | good catch | 05:13 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: bah, stayed up too late writing that | 11:13 |
| cmaloney | heh | 11:17 |
| cmaloney | morning | 11:17 |
| brousch | rick_h_: Bookie is spelled wrong in the title and URL of your blog post http://blog.mitechie.com/2014/04/21/booke-meets-google-summer-of-code-2014/ | 12:26 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/MM8cmt - Booke meets Google Summer of Code 2014 | Tech Rantings from a Michigan Techie | 12:26 |
| rick_h_ | thanks brousch updated | 12:27 |
| brousch | URL is probably stuck with that, eh? | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | ugh | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | fail | 12:29 |
| brousch | Great post though | 12:30 |
| rick_h_ | thanks | 12:31 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: is that one the merge at least? | 12:31 |
| * rick_h_ feels stupid, never post to the internet when tired | 12:31 | |
| rick_h_ | oh and morning | 12:45 |
| mrgoodcat | gooooood morning campers | 12:50 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_: you can change the permalink on wordpress if you want. the old one stays working too | 12:53 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: that's what I could not tell, if the old one would stay working | 12:53 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: That's the merged one | 12:53 |
| mrgoodcat | yes it does | 12:53 |
| rick_h_ | we'll try it | 12:53 |
| cmaloney | rawr rawr rawr rawr | 13:30 |
| cmaloney | .np squeekyhoho | 13:31 |
| bookiebot | squeekyhoho's current track - Goat of Departure by The Black Dahlia Murder on Everblack | 13:31 |
| cmaloney | Also: disk-bound stuff sucks. :) | 13:33 |
| * cmaloney is creating a windows 7 vm while loading a mysql database locally and upgrading his machine | 13:33 | |
| Havenstance | mrgoodcat, zentyal will be replacing our current network server in about 5 minutes... | 13:34 |
| mrgoodcat | cmaloney: i feel your pain | 13:36 |
| mrgoodcat | the bookie make install is not quick | 13:46 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_: i'm a bit confused by a part of the docs, but i'm not sure if it's just me or if the docs need updating | 14:16 |
| mrgoodcat | http://docs.bmark.us/en/latest/tests.html#test-types | 14:17 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/HzYGuV - Bookie Tests — Bookie 0.5.0 documentation | 14:17 |
| mrgoodcat | doesn't seem to be consistent with what is actually done | 14:17 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: yea, 4yr old docs need updating | 14:29 |
| mrgoodcat | i'm crawling through them right now | 14:29 |
| mrgoodcat | cleaning up some things | 14:29 |
| rick_h_ | k | 14:30 |
| mrgoodcat | like how in http://docs.bmark.us/en/latest/development.html the contents list should be hierarchical. It's not apparent that the 5 items under "about JSON API" belong to "About JSON API" | 14:30 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/GrPMDd - Development — Bookie 0.5.0 documentation | 14:30 |
| mrgoodcat | that really confused me for a while | 14:30 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_: in the docs, what do you think about making the toc tree a maxdepth of 2? so it shows one level of children. I think it would make the docs easier to navigate | 14:45 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: never post on the internet when tired? shit man, I won't be able to do any work anymore. | 15:17 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: :P | 15:18 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: sounds fine to me I guess | 15:18 |
| mrgoodcat | ok | 15:18 |
| mrgoodcat | i think you're going to like what i've done with the docs | 15:18 |
| mrgoodcat | also one more question | 15:18 |
| * greg-g is going on 4.5 hours of sleep last night | 15:18 | |
| mrgoodcat | the admin calls, some start with /a/ some with /admin/ | 15:18 |
| mrgoodcat | what is the difference and should they be separate? | 15:19 |
| jrwren | i think i got 11hrs of sleep last night. | 15:19 |
| jrwren | 11hrs of sleep yesterday, and 11hrs of sleep the day before. | 15:19 |
| jrwren | being sick SUCKS | 15:19 |
| greg-g | jrwren: ahh, I was about to say, you decadent bastard! | 15:22 |
| greg-g | jrwren: sorry you're sick, though | 15:22 |
| greg-g | today should be fun, 4.5 hours of sleep on day one of three of this all day leadership training thing | 15:23 |
| jrwren | decadent? yes, excuse me while I poor fresh pidgeon blood on my toe gout | 15:24 |
| brousch | You have gout? | 15:24 |
| jrwren | yes | 15:25 |
| rick_h_ | ouch! I had that once for a weekend. Painful! | 15:26 |
| jrwren | but I don't use 16th century "remmedies" | 15:26 |
| jrwren | only a weekend? you are lucky. | 15:26 |
| brousch | I thought it was an old person thing | 15:26 |
| jrwren | i am old. | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | yea, had it flare up in a toe I injured as a kid and basically sat in bed for 3 days | 15:26 |
| jrwren | oh, mine has never been that bad. | 15:27 |
| jrwren | just some discomfort, maybe pain at worst, but I learned to manage it. | 15:27 |
| jrwren | I don't even notice it anymore | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | ugh | 15:27 |
| rick_h_ | it scared the crap out of me. Having that all the time would be awful. Couldn't walk | 15:27 |
| jrwren | yeah, 'cept walking through it is actually good for it. | 15:28 |
| jrwren | painful for sure | 15:28 |
| greg-g | I had it a while ago, it did suck, lasted a little bit but wasn't debilitating | 15:30 |
| brousch | Damn. I don't like the risk factors for gout. I think I hit them all, or will within 3 years | 15:32 |
| jrwren | lol | 15:32 |
| jrwren | i mostly removed red meat from my diet. that helped. | 15:33 |
| jcastro | rick_h_, wow! | 16:32 |
| jcastro | you got two GSOC students?! | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: woot! | 16:33 |
| brousch | I wonder how many you could have handled | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | they say 10hrs a week | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | so cmaloney and I will be good I think | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | not like I'm earning a living on bookie :P | 16:35 |
| brousch | canonical would give you a paid leave of absence, I'm sure | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 16:35 |
| cmaloney | I think what rick_h_ means is "so sandbagger and I will be good I think". ;) | 16:38 |
| cmaloney | Baked Lays: Now with 65% less fat * | 17:55 |
| cmaloney | * than sticking your gob in a tub of Crisco and inhaling | 17:56 |
| brousch | I'll kindly ask you to keep yer gob out of my Crisco bucket | 17:57 |
| cmaloney | heh | 18:22 |
| Havenstance | well, that server is in and running... I left the important half of the network on the old server for a day or two in order to test the uptime abilities. They will change over probably Friday but so far everythings looking good | 19:13 |
| Havenstance | mrgoodcat, thank you for the recommendation so far its doing everything he wanted and more. | 19:13 |
| mrgoodcat | glad to hear it | 19:14 |
| jrwren | TIL: getattr(obj, 'function') returns a bound method | 19:58 |
| jrwren | sometimes python is black magic | 19:58 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: this is how i'm building the plugin system for the newest version of bookiebot | 20:01 |
| mrgoodcat | each plugin is a plug object and getattr() allows me to put all the callback functions in a dict so i can call plugs['command']() | 20:02 |
| jrwren | mrgoodcat: cool! | 20:02 |
| jrwren | i'm just hacking on simplejson | 20:02 |
| jrwren | because there is no fast json in python. | 20:02 |
| mrgoodcat | json isn't too slow in python... | 20:03 |
| mrgoodcat | at least not in python 3 | 20:03 |
| jrwren | oh yes it is :p | 20:03 |
| jrwren | do a list of 12million dictionaries | 20:03 |
| rick_h_ | umm, json is not a database? | 20:04 |
| mrgoodcat | lol | 20:04 |
| jrwren | but it might be an ETL tool :p | 20:04 |
| mrgoodcat | sounds like you need redis | 20:04 |
| jrwren | mrgoodcat: hahahaha, good one. | 20:04 |
| mrgoodcat | but srsly why do you have a list of 12 million dicts? | 20:05 |
| jrwren | that is not important. | 20:05 |
| mrgoodcat | rick_h_: what did you think of the documentation changes? didn't really make a lot of substantial changes to the content but I find it easier to navigate this way | 20:05 |
| rick_h_ | mrgoodcat: not looked yet, been a busy work day | 20:06 |
| mrgoodcat | cool | 20:06 |
| mrgoodcat | no worries | 20:06 |
| mrgoodcat | i have to go to school soon anyways :( | 20:06 |
| cmaloney | Who's fault is that? :) | 20:13 |
| mrgoodcat | ummmmm | 20:18 |
| mrgoodcat | i don't have an answer for that? | 20:18 |
| cmaloney | heh | 20:18 |
| jrwren | zomg, python never ceases to amaze me. | 20:18 |
| jrwren | function calls are so expensive! | 20:18 |
| mrgoodcat | is that surprising? | 20:19 |
| cmaloney | Why is this surprising? | 20:19 |
| cmaloney | This isn't C. | 20:19 |
| jrwren | i'm used to C | 20:19 |
| mrgoodcat | try ruby | 20:19 |
| jrwren | or C like langauges. | 20:19 |
| jrwren | are funciton calls slow in Ruby too? | 20:19 |
| mrgoodcat | 1999 times do chain.ten.million.functions | 20:19 |
| cmaloney | Part of the fun of Python is everything acts like an object | 20:19 |
| cmaloney | including methods. :) | 20:20 |
| mrgoodcat | yea and ruby is even more so that way | 20:20 |
| mrgoodcat | even keywords in ruby are objects | 20:20 |
| mrgoodcat | you can override def if you want | 20:20 |
| mrgoodcat | not sure why you'd want to but..... | 20:20 |
| mrgoodcat | you can | 20:20 |
| jrwren | what about literals? | 20:20 |
| jrwren | can I override [] | 20:20 |
| mrgoodcat | you can override Array | 20:20 |
| cmaloney | def def: if def == 'foo': monkeypatch. ;) | 20:20 |
| jrwren | i'd love to override python literals | 20:20 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: Check out the Hy project | 20:21 |
| jrwren | yeah... that isn't python | 20:21 |
| jrwren | that is a lisp that runs on pyhton | 20:21 |
| cmaloney | If anyone is close to making Python into a DSL it's Hy | 20:21 |
| mrgoodcat | in ruby even == is a method | 20:22 |
| jrwren | yup, they are an interesting group of hackers. | 20:22 |
| mrgoodcat | it has some syntax sugar to make it easy to type | 20:23 |
| cmaloney | Python is all about those clean coding techniques I learned in Mrd. Deryckre's Pascal class | 20:23 |
| jrwren | hey, in c++ == is a method too :p | 20:23 |
| mrgoodcat | but 1.==(1) is perfectly good ruby | 20:23 |
| cmaloney | Hy is about taking everything I learned in that class and turning it on its head. | 20:23 |
| mrgoodcat | so you can override == in the Numbers class to make 1 == 2 | 20:23 |
| mrgoodcat | er Integer maybe | 20:23 |
| jrwren | mrgoodcat: same with c++ | 20:23 |
| jrwren | although, in ruby it is open classes | 20:24 |
| mrgoodcat | it's part of the reason rails is so damn easy to use | 20:26 |
| mrgoodcat | "tomato".pluralize makes "tomatoes" when that isn't even remotely a part of a regular string literal | 20:26 |
| jrwren | yup | 20:27 |
| jrwren | and the kids LOVE IT | 20:27 |
| jrwren | its just fancy calling syntax on a pluralize(str) global function. | 20:27 |
| jrwren | I like C#'s extension method approach. | 20:28 |
| jrwren | IMO it makes more sense | 20:28 |
| jrwren | but I must admit I love the optional parens | 20:28 |
| jrwren | aren't the commas optional too? | 20:28 |
| jrwren | so i can write stuff like this | 20:28 |
| mrgoodcat | no. commas are req'd | 20:31 |
| mrgoodcat | def add x, y | 20:31 |
| mrgoodcat | x + y | 20:31 |
| mrgoodcat | end | 20:31 |
| mrgoodcat | add 3, 1 # => 4 | 20:32 |
| jrwren | oh, just the parens are optional | 20:36 |
| mrgoodcat | yea | 20:36 |
| jrwren | so if I write functions that only take 1 arg, ever, then I never need a comma? | 20:36 |
| mrgoodcat | right | 20:36 |
| jrwren | sounds great! | 20:36 |
| mrgoodcat | def pluralize word | 20:37 |
| mrgoodcat | "#{word}s | 20:37 |
| mrgoodcat | end | 20:37 |
| mrgoodcat | pluralize "tomato" # => "tomatos" | 20:37 |
| mrgoodcat | it's not correct but it shows the basic idea | 20:37 |
| mrgoodcat | also i missed the closing " | 20:37 |
| mrgoodcat | def pluralize word | 20:38 |
| mrgoodcat | "#{word}s" | 20:38 |
| mrgoodcat | end | 20:38 |
| mrgoodcat | pluralize "tomato" # => "tomatos" | 20:38 |
| rick_h_ | ccccccdilrkrvljnegtdjgnjvclvkkncjbfglddkkhrh | 20:38 |
| rick_h_ | bah | 20:38 |
| mrgoodcat | sry bout spam | 20:38 |
| mrgoodcat | jrwren: it is actually a really cool language. just getting your environment set up can be a pain | 20:40 |
| jrwren | ruby? | 20:42 |
| jrwren | I've used it for only slightly more than the trivial. | 20:42 |
| jrwren | i've nothing against ruby. | 20:42 |
| mrgoodcat | i was more of a rubyist than anything for a long time | 20:43 |
| mrgoodcat | maybe still today | 20:43 |
| jrwren | pythons "everything is an object"... "oh except builtins and cpython types and..." | 20:43 |
| jrwren | drives me crazy | 20:43 |
| jrwren | ruby is definitely nicer there. | 20:44 |
| mrgoodcat | although i'm becoming increasingly comfortable with python, i still feel I know ruby's advanced features much better | 20:44 |
| jrwren | tehre are advanced features? | 20:44 |
| mrgoodcat | well it makes metaprogramming pretty easy, and open classes aren't exactly the first thing you learn in any language | 20:45 |
| mrgoodcat | or defining your own domain specific language, which is pretty much encouraged in ruby | 20:45 |
| mrgoodcat | also the differences between require and include are confusing at first, as well as catch/throw vs begin/raise/rescue | 20:48 |
| mrgoodcat | catch/throw is mainly used for excecution flow control where begin/raise/rescue is for exception handling | 20:49 |
| jrwren | sounds complex. | 20:50 |
| mrgoodcat | it's really not. but you did ask what the advanced features are | 20:50 |
| mrgoodcat | if you're interested give this a read http://rubylearning.com/blog/2011/07/12/throw-catch-raise-rescue-im-so-confused/ | 20:52 |
| mrgoodcat | time for class | 20:54 |
| mrgoodcat | good talk | 20:54 |
| jrwren | http://rubylearning.com/blog/2011/07/12/throw-catch-raise-rescue-im-so-confused/ shows as empty response | 20:58 |
| mrgoodcat | hmmmm | 21:04 |
| mrgoodcat | it just broke apparently | 21:04 |
| mrgoodcat | i was just looking at it | 21:04 |
| mrgoodcat | google to the rescue http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Hwys7iKcvKcJ:rubylearning.com/blog/2011/07/12/throw-catch-raise-rescue-im-so-confused/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | 21:05 |
| bookiebot | http://is.gd/2bLjR7 - Throw, Catch, Raise, Rescue… I’m so confused! | 21:05 |
| mrgoodcat | when i instantiate a python object, is there a way to make it inherit the scope of the calling class? | 21:46 |
| mrgoodcat | but i don't want it to have the entire scope, prefferably it would be able to pick out certain variables | 21:47 |
| jrwren | inherit implies an OO inheritance model, is that what you want? | 22:11 |
| jrwren | sounds like you are trying ot not write much needed __init__ code :) | 22:12 |
| cmaloney | heh | 23:29 |
| mrgoodcat | no i'm just trying to figure out a way to have all of the plugins be able to access the IRC connection | 23:32 |
| mrgoodcat | right now i'm passing the irc object to the call function for the plugin so it can write to the server | 23:33 |
| mrgoodcat | but i wish i didn't have to | 23:33 |
| mrgoodcat | java-- | 23:53 |
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