doctorpepperhi guys! 00:56
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apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: random note of the day: the qt a11y patch is still in proposed for everything03:33
apacheloggerScottK: bug 131001903:44
ubottubug 1310019 in ktouch (Ubuntu Trusty) "ktouch shows an empty home screen because org.kde.charts is missing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131001903:44
ScottKapachelogger: Looks like an SRUable thing.03:45
apacheloggerScottK: just uploaded a fix03:45
* apachelogger hates how the archive goes into limbo after release03:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: I am still downloading with some 28 kb/s from lunchpad -.-03:45
* apachelogger going to do management things today03:46
ScottKapachelogger: It's only in Limbo because Mark didn't name the new release yet.  Otherwise we'd be in business by now.03:47
ScottKapachelogger: Should be all set on ktouch now.03:49
apacheloggerScottK: thx03:50
joseI think Mark is waiting for bug #1309980 to announce the unicorn03:52
ubottubug 1309980 in wordpress (Juju Charms Collection) "Relationship to memcache seems incomplete" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130998003:52
apacheloggera unicorn, that's what we need \o/03:55
valoriewoah, we're already to U!03:55
valoriehow time flies when you've having fun03:56
ScottKUmbilicaled Unicorn03:56
joseit can be max 8 characters :(03:57
joseI vote for unstable!03:57
ScottKUlulating Unicorn almost fits.03:58
valorieultra is nice and short04:02
apacheloggerlol, virtuoso crashed some >122 times in the last 24 hours04:02
apacheloggergood thing we did not have metrics in the past, some angry developer just might have done something unexpected like ripping out nepomuk :O04:03
valoriethere are lots of terrible U adjectives04:05
valoriefor now, unfinished will work04:06
apacheloggerthere are lots of terrible adjectives.04:06
apacheloggervalorie: I'll probably start kubuntu wiki move to community.kde today04:06
valorieseems like ahoneybun has disappeared04:07
valorieso I will probably write to the list with some suggestions for 14.10 docs, etc.04:07
apachelogger I'll also probably send a mail about 14.10/16.04 planning04:08
valoriebut damn, if he's gone I'll have to learn how to do good trello organizing04:08
valoriewhich.... maybe I can find someone else who will do that04:08
apacheloggervalorie: there's no such thing as good :P04:08
joseoh, oh, ahoneybun checked an item in Trello yesterday I think, he's not completely gone04:08
apacheloggerwhatever you think it should work like is the good thing04:08
joseand I can give you a hand with Trello organizing, been using it for a good while04:09
valoriegood = pleasant enough to use that people use it04:09
valoriemy own todos can be as ugly as whatever04:09
* apachelogger just noticed that next week is labor day on thursday04:10
valorielabor day as Marx wanted it!04:10
joseapachelogger just reminded me I don't have to go to classes next Thursday!04:10
valorierather than in Sept. as we do it here04:10
apacheloggervalorie: yeah, taking off half the week04:10
apacheloggersocialist slackers :@04:10
apacheloggerjose: hehe, nice ^^04:11
apacheloggervalorie: what's your timezone? pdt?04:16
valoriein the fall and winter, yes04:17
valorieI'll actually see the Pacific at the end of the week04:18
valorieLinuxfest NW is this weekend04:18
apacheloggervalorie: isn't it pst in winter?04:18
valorieoops, you are right04:18
valoriewe're sharing the *buntu table with Debian Seattle04:18
valorieshould be fun04:18
apacheloggerthe pacific, a very badly named ocean right there ^^04:20
valorieright now we're at peace with everyone around it04:20
valoriecan bring storms though for sure04:21
valorieand tsunamis04:21
* apachelogger does math04:23
apacheloggerfitting BST and PDT into a UTC morning time slot is quite the challenge04:24
apacheloggerwhich just made me realize that at that point EDT is the problematic one ^^04:25
ScottKDepends on how late the EDT people stay up.04:27
apacheloggerthat is true, I don't expect people to listen to me babbling about the importance of jellyfish after midnight though ;)04:28
valoriewoah, what are you drinking that gets you babbling about jellyfish?04:28
ScottKWe already had the "J" release anyway.04:28
* ScottK fears he does it sober.04:29
apacheloggerjellyfish are very interesting though04:29
* apachelogger sends mail04:29
valoriegorgeous in aquariums04:29
apacheloggerhttp://doodle.com/z5723iwv9cmc75y2 what's the first time slot you see here?04:30
valorie6am for me04:30
apacheloggershould be 9am04:31
apacheloggerI do really wonder if doodle will ever manage to not make time zone control such a drag04:31
valorieif you go to work for them, maybe04:33
apacheloggerbrrr, webdevelopment04:33
apacheloggernot my cup a tea unfortunately04:33
apacheloggervalorie: what does the doodle say now?04:35
valorie6pm - 11pm04:35
valorieall of which would be excellent for me04:35
apacheloggervalorie: that'd be CEST ;)04:36
valorieah, I'm not logged in04:36
valoriesilly me04:36
valoriehmmm, doesn't change04:37
valorieit should know my timezone04:37
apacheloggeryeah, I somehow broke timezones04:38
apacheloggerwhich I count as a boon TBH04:38
valorieI wish everyone would just use UT04:38
valorieOne Time Zone to Rule Them All04:38
apacheloggerI think if you do not define a location it will simply use the times verbatim without TZ conversion04:38
apacheloggerso I can now use UTC ^^04:38
valorieI see04:39
apacheloggervalorie: poll showing 4pm to 9pm now?04:41
ScottKIt shows that for me too.04:47
ScottKOf course if it's in UTC, I always show up at the wrong time because I suck a TZ math.04:48
apacheloggerI can make it localized but then people would get confused even more ^^04:48
* apachelogger has handy links for tz conversion tho04:48
ScottKIt's even worse right now because I'm physically in Mountain Time, but my laptop is still on Eastern.04:50
apacheloggerScottK: you know, I fixed timezone setting, you should totally be able to change your timezone :P04:56
ScottKI can.  I choose not to.04:57
apacheloggerother option: you can actually enable timezone display via the clock applet setting without changing your actual timezone, scrolling on the clock will then change the timezone display and hovering displays all enabled zones04:57
ScottKYeah.  I had UTC enabled that way for awhile.04:57
apachelogger^ that's what I do, though frankly I found it much easier to always use UTC unless I am in central europe ^^04:58
apacheloggerthe first challange one always faces with timezones is to know which city to use because you cannot set an actual time zone04:59
ScottKDon't you live in central Europe?04:59
apacheloggerScottK: yes, that's why I am saying, I am not using UTC at home04:59
ScottKalways except most of the time seems an odd way to put it.04:59
apacheloggerI am still thinking UTC :P05:00
apacheloggerbut yeah, I see what you mean05:00
apacheloggerI blame the 3 hours of sleep I had05:00
ScottKapachelogger: re planning 14.10, it seems to be the big decision will be to base it on KF5/Plasma2 or on KDE SC 4.14 (which there will be one).05:00
ScottKI doubt we can actually decide that now, so we out to work out a plan for how we decide (and when).05:01
apacheloggerprobably not, with plasma next lagging behind in the schedule I don't see it reaching stability in time05:01
ScottKMaybe then vHanda will do another baloo release with the disable/enable button then.05:03
apacheloggerthat being said, I do not think we should go for it (or block any other development for it) unless we are absolutely sure it will be ready in time and of suitable quality05:03
apacheloggerthat was already very nerve wracking for 4.13, so I really would not want to have that for a big transition like plasma next05:04
apacheloggerScottK: lol05:04
ScottKI still think that's the best solution.05:04
ScottKOther than he's sick of whining, "it's a hard dependency, but make it so people can rip it out" makes no sense at all.05:05
apacheloggeron that note, the gentoo guy on kde-packagers has a very valid point 05:05
ScottKReminds me I need to write a mail on that thread before I go to sleep.05:06
ScottKMy brain is hurting.05:20
ScottKI've used cvs, svn, and bzr today - all with the exact same syntax after the first three letters.05:21
ScottKThanks to wifi on airplanes, the entire concept of a DVCS may be obsolete.05:22
Riddellapachelogger: qt a11y is in proposed because it also includes bug 1290514 and I couldn't work out how to recreate the crash yesterday07:10
ubottubug 1290514 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129051407:10
apacheloggerthat's why I said they should not be bundled07:13
apacheloggerin fact I highlighted exactly this case where one fix is good to go and the other is not07:13
jussiRiddell: /apachelogger - are your chromium's working at the moment? 07:30
Riddelljussi: yep, I don't see any of your problems07:35
jussiRiddell: its very strange, at the moment it seems no keyboard works in chromium07:35
* apachelogger uses the default brows0r :O07:35
Riddellrm -r ~/.cache/chromium/07:37
Riddellrm -r ~/.config/chromium/07:37
Riddelltry turning it off and on again? ↑07:37
valorieI'm using chromium atm with no issues07:44
jussiahh, I had removed the config, but not the cache, lemme try that07:54
jussinope, no help there :/07:55
jussiok, found the issue07:57
jussiits ibus or whatever the little keyboard indicator thing is in the tray. clicked quit on that and it seems to now be working07:58
jussithis thread had the answer: http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=11732.15;PHPSESSID=v57v57i8kv5meg4bon5smjpep007:58
* apachelogger yawns08:00
apacheloggervalorie: you still up?08:00
apacheloggervalorie: I am doing wiki movery, what did Ben mean with "Please do ensure it is properly namespaced however." in his mail?08:01
apacheloggersimply putting all pages into Kubuntu/ ?08:01
valorieI would suppose so08:01
valoriehowever, he's awake and about in #kde-sysadmin08:01
valoriejust talked to him a few mins ago08:01
lordievaderGood morning.08:04
* apachelogger wonders why he marked the build envrionment page rubbish and useful at the same time08:38
lordievaderAre we getting cats?08:38
shadeslayerapachelogger: :O08:42
shadeslayergood morning08:44
valorieperhaps there is both on the page?08:46
Riddellapachelogger: any idea what timezone your doodle is in?08:47
apacheloggerRiddell: please read the mail I sent08:47
apacheloggeralso has handy links for time conversion08:47
apacheloggervalorie: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/SystemDocumentation is for you09:53
apacheloggeryofel, Riddell, ScottK: are we still using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph09:56
apachelogger"Hello Name, or anyone else affected," ^^09:57
BlizzzI just opened https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333761 What is interesting is that the KRunner version looks old (4.11.8) … or is it OK?10:04
ubottuKDE bug 333761 in general "KRunner crashes with Desktop Search runner enabled" [Crash,Unconfirmed]10:04
apacheloggeryofel: do we actually want to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon10:05
* apachelogger thinks the techbase thing should be sufficient TBH :P10:05
apacheloggerBlizzz: kde-workspace is in feature freeze since 4.1110:05
Blizzzapachelogger: k, thx10:08
apacheloggerScottK: bug 129071710:36
ubottubug 1290717 in akonadi (Ubuntu Trusty) "akonadi 1.11.80 fails to start" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129071710:36
BluesKaj'Morning folks11:18
Riddellapachelogger: yes I think the DependencyGraph is useful to keep11:19
shadeslayerScottK: please reject kubuntu-driver-manager from the queue11:49
Riddellshadeslayer: which queue?11:50
Riddellshadeslayer: found it, rejected11:50
shadeslayerRiddell: fixed and re uploaded11:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1280773 also got fixed12:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1280773 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "List of drivers gets repeated" [Undecided,Confirmed]12:11
shadeslayersince hitting reset now reloads the module12:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: should be anyway12:17
shadeslayerRiddell: could you also approve kubuntu-driver-manager 14.04ubuntu10?12:18
Riddellshadeslayer: SRUs need someone from ~ubuntu-sru to approve12:22
shadeslayerRiddell: okay12:23
BluesKajany movement on a 14.10 handle yet. or do we have to wait for a throne speech ?12:32
RiddellI've not heard anything12:33
Riddellno uds either12:35
Riddellall very peculiar12:35
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BluesKajyeah i recall working on 14.04 chainloader to start the change over from 13.10 in 3 or 4 days after the official release12:41
BluesKajerr within 3 or 4 days12:43
* BluesKaj gulps more coffee12:44
Peace-Riddell: so ... 14.10 is out ?12:49
BluesKajhehe Peace- , no sign of 14.10 anywhere yet12:50
Peace-BluesKaj: :) hi BluesKaj how are you ?12:50
BluesKajhi Peace-, I'm fine thanks , and you?12:51
Peace-BluesKaj: new car :P i am happy12:51
BluesKajnice Peace- , what did you buy?12:52
Peace-opel meriva 12:52
Peace-BluesKaj: http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/2014-opel-meriva-facelift-revealed-photo-gallery_11.jpg?138132054312:53
BluesKajPeace-, nice little car 12:57
BluesKaja guy like me would never fit in it :)12:57
Peace-:) it's not little for me but i guess it's little for a canadian 12:57
Peace-BluesKaj: :D i guess yes 12:57
Peace-i mean you right 12:58
Peace-i think  that you have told me your are very tall 12:58
RiddellSC 4.14 due in August, should be fine for us http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.14_Release_Schedule13:00
BluesKajPeace-, yes taller than most and somewhat heavier too, but the extra weight comes with age, unfortunately13:04
Peace-BluesKaj: :) age came for everyone ;D13:05
ScottKRiddell: I agree. 13:13
ScottKshadeslayer: since this upload will overwrite the current SRU, please reupload using -v so both changelog entries are in the .changes. 13:17
shadeslayerScottK: oh :(14:35
shadeslayermight as well fix the version number then14:35
shadeslayerScottK: done14:39
vgezerhi all. I've noticed that http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Software/Games/Steam was not tagged for translation and I did it 2 days ago. so it is available for translation. 15:19
vgezeralso there are some problems in local documents.15:19
vgezerfor example, go to Contribute->Testing, you will see return to kubuntu home which directs users to userbase.kde15:20
vgezeralso in chapter 10. steam link does not work, maybe it has been forgotten15:20
Riddellvgezer: ping ahoneybun with any docs issues but I think if you find problems you're very welcome to fix them15:22
vgezerRiddell: i see. what about packaging stuff? did you include translations of docs? eg. Turkish is fully translated, but in my help, the docs are only English.15:23
Riddellvgezer: apachelogger was good enough to package the docs, you can see the contents with dpkg -K kubuntu-docs15:24
Riddellvgezer: I see it doesn't include turkish, I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation and it'll be included in the update for .115:25
Riddellbut apachelogger will know15:25
vgezerRiddell: thanks. dpkg -K gives unknown option error :/15:25
Riddellvgezer: dpkg -L  sorry15:28
vgezerRiddell: i see thanks. ok thanks for caring. I will be waiting their answer :)15:35
apacheloggervgezer, Riddell: it probably failed sanity testing16:37
apacheloggerit was in the config http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu-docs.git&a=blob&h=43b3ec1cae68fca6bdb81f6fe36b5c9d709dccfc&hb=da2b59e5e1cb51ab3bcb586fe18f4954e2fa5a6b&f=export.cfg16:37
apacheloggeralas, translations that fail to parse as docbook are ditched16:38
Riddellapachelogger: I don't suppose you know how I can get frameworkintegration to compile? http://paste.kde.org/pwgmsn04h16:40
apacheloggerRiddell: haven't seen that before, possibly missing an include?16:41
vgezerapachelogger: ah. can we see the log of sanity test?16:43
apacheloggerclone the repo16:43
apacheloggerthen edit export.sh to exit at line 67 16:44
apacheloggerthen cd doc && meinproc4 --check index.docbook16:44
apacheloggeroh, I guess one could also simply remove the dev/null redirect from export.sh16:46
Riddellah hah, it's all mgaesslin's fault16:47
Riddellapachelogger: could you double check I'm not doing something broken here? I can't submit this to reviewboard http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/DIFF "The file 'docs/CMakeLists.txt' (rcb9ef01) could not be found in the repository"16:52
vgezerapachelogger: how long approximately does it take (the export)?16:54
vgezerAlso I think we should remove the PPA on Launchpad (kubuntu-docs)16:56
apacheloggerdepends on the connection16:57
apacheloggerRiddell: git add docs/CMakeLists.txt?16:57
Riddellapachelogger: but the diff does contain docs/CMakeLists.txt16:59
apacheloggernot sure what that error is about then16:59
apacheloggerRiddell: you can post the diff to reviewboard17:00
Riddellapachelogger: that's what I'm doing, it doesn't let me17:00
Riddellgit still defeats me17:00
vgezerapachelogger: index.docbook:459: element sect2: validity error : Syntax of value for attribute id of sect2 is not valid17:00
vgezer<sect2 id="-deb-dosyalarını-kurmak-kaldırmak"><title>.DEB Dosyalarını Kurma17:00
vgezerwhich seems the same as it is in userbase17:00
vgezeri mean the source and the target17:00
apacheloggerRiddell: well it looks fine to me but short of posting it on review board I suggest you run it at least by agateau17:01
* apachelogger is not that good with the cmake foo on kf5 yet ^^17:01
Riddellagateau: git magic needed!17:01
apacheloggervgezer: I believe you cannot start a title with a point17:23
vgezerapachelogger: i see. i edited, but probably need to wait one day, right?17:28
vgezeralso we need to modify export.cfg to include Software/Games/Steam/ as well17:28
apacheloggervgezer: wait for?17:42
vgezerwait for svn update?17:42
apacheloggersvn update?17:43
* apachelogger is not following17:43
vgezerapachelogger: when i do ./export.sh it tries to update the branch17:43
vgezerbut it didnt pull my changes17:44
apacheloggervgezer: still the same issue?17:45
vgezerapachelogger: i cannot see the file to edit in my local copy. 17:47
apacheloggerif you run export it will discard everything and start from scratch17:47
Quintasanapachelogger: sddm has packaging upstream, we either: a) tell them (or help them; ScottK?) to get it into Debian b) do it ourselves17:59
Quintasanbloody hell18:02
QuintasanIt's really Utopic Unicorn?18:02
Quintasan>time to bring systemd to the centre of Ubuntu18:02
Quintasanoh Mark18:03
vgezerapachelogger: now it compiled18:05
debfxI guess this is the chance to merge fluffy into kubuntu proper ;)18:10
Quintasandebfx++ even18:10
QuintasanWhere is apachelogger when he is needed18:10
soee_uh oh just saw it: Utopic Unicorn :)18:19
macoutopic? dont most people use utopian for the adjective of utopia?18:21
QuintasanApparently it's correct18:23
macohehe utopian gets a much longer entry18:24
QuintasanWell, not like I really care if I'm going to do DIST=utopic or DIST=utopian18:25
* Quintasan is going to shorten it to DIST=u anyways18:25
* Quintasan sniggers at his laziness18:26
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soeeutopic sounds like utpoić in PL :)18:38
soeeanyway, lags on second screen connected through hdmi might be related to nvidia drivers ?18:39
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ahoneybunvgezer, still here?18:41
vgezerahoneybun: yes18:41
ahoneybunso there are translations missing and links dead I hear?18:41
Quintasansoee: Why would you drown a unicorn?18:43
soeeQuintasan: not me :P18:44
vgezerahoneybun: for example, go to Contribute->Testing, you will see return to kubuntu home which directs users to userbase.kde18:44
vgezeralso in chapter 10. steam link does not work, it should have been included into export.cfg file18:45
vgezerbrb. need to go shopping :p. i will be here in 15 mins.18:45
vgezerahoneybun: did you check?19:02
ahoneybunvgezer, tbh I have ubuntu gnome installed19:05
vgezerahoneybun: i see. so who has access to that repo to fix those?19:37
ahoneybunvgezer, valorie 20:16
ahoneybunwell she has kubuntu installed20:17
yofelapachelogger: wrt. neon wiki best talk to Quintasan as he set that up. I won't cry if it's gone though.20:24
Quintasanyofel: Is there anything wrong with it?20:24
yofelshadeslayer: tried this yet? ^^ https://plus.google.com/u/0/107564545827215425270/posts/NqMnfSSCGLo20:24
yofel[12:05:05] <apachelogger> yofel: do we actually want to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon20:24
yofel[12:05:10] -*- apachelogger thinks the techbase thing should be sufficient TBH :P20:24
yofelQuintasan: ^20:24
QuintasanI see.20:25
QuintasanWell, I'll be looking at that this weekend and I'll migrate it to TechBase if needed20:26
yofelour documentation should be changed to focus on kf5 anyway20:26
yofeland neon4 is bricked - and I don't feel like fixing it20:27
yofelhm, utopic relase it'll be20:29
* yofel thinks living in utopia will be fun20:29
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shadeslayeryofel: heh, I knew pitti had a PPA with systemd, never bothered to try it though20:56
shadeslayerI'll switch with utopic :)20:56
Quintasanbloody hell22:05
QuintasanAmarok 2.8.0 is really behind master22:05
RiddellQuintasan: what's new in master?22:19
QuintasanRiddell: crapton of fixes plus merges of branches like gsoc2013ScriptingRevamp or gsoc-importers or origin/gsoc-audiocd-2013 or origin/spotify-new22:20
Riddellooh, spotify integration sounds good22:21
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ScottKapachelogger: Congratulations.  You at least got your Unicorn.22:56
* valorie has access to no repos that I know of!23:48
valoriewouldn't know how to access/what to do, etc.23:49
valoriefor that system documentation, I need to send an email so we can decide what to do23:50
valorieI've forgotten all the issues, but I think the biggest one is translations23:50
valorieunfortunately we are now leaving for dinner23:53

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