[00:56] hi guys! === jackyalcine is now known as jacky [03:33] Riddell, shadeslayer: random note of the day: the qt a11y patch is still in proposed for everything [03:44] ScottK: bug 1310019 [03:44] bug 1310019 in ktouch (Ubuntu Trusty) "ktouch shows an empty home screen because org.kde.charts is missing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1310019 [03:45] apachelogger: Looks like an SRUable thing. [03:45] ScottK: just uploaded a fix [03:45] Looking [03:45] * apachelogger hates how the archive goes into limbo after release [03:45] shadeslayer: I am still downloading with some 28 kb/s from lunchpad -.- [03:46] * apachelogger going to do management things today [03:47] apachelogger: It's only in Limbo because Mark didn't name the new release yet. Otherwise we'd be in business by now. [03:49] apachelogger: Should be all set on ktouch now. [03:50] ScottK: thx [03:52] I think Mark is waiting for bug #1309980 to announce the unicorn [03:52] bug 1309980 in wordpress (Juju Charms Collection) "Relationship to memcache seems incomplete" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309980 [03:55] a unicorn, that's what we need \o/ [03:55] woah, we're already to U! [03:56] how time flies when you've having fun [03:56] Umbilicaled Unicorn [03:56] Ubiquitous! [03:57] it can be max 8 characters :( [03:57] pfff [03:57] I vote for unstable! [03:58] Ululating Unicorn almost fits. [04:02] ultra is nice and short [04:02] lol, virtuoso crashed some >122 times in the last 24 hours [04:03] good thing we did not have metrics in the past, some angry developer just might have done something unexpected like ripping out nepomuk :O [04:04] lol [04:04] uncanny! [04:05] there are lots of terrible U adjectives [04:06] for now, unfinished will work [04:06] there are lots of terrible adjectives. [04:06] ftfy [04:06] valorie: I'll probably start kubuntu wiki move to community.kde today [04:07] *excellent*! [04:07] seems like ahoneybun has disappeared [04:07] so I will probably write to the list with some suggestions for 14.10 docs, etc. [04:08] I'll also probably send a mail about 14.10/16.04 planning [04:08] but damn, if he's gone I'll have to learn how to do good trello organizing [04:08] which.... maybe I can find someone else who will do that [04:08] valorie: there's no such thing as good :P [04:08] oh, oh, ahoneybun checked an item in Trello yesterday I think, he's not completely gone [04:08] whatever you think it should work like is the good thing [04:09] and I can give you a hand with Trello organizing, been using it for a good while [04:09] good = pleasant enough to use that people use it [04:09] my own todos can be as ugly as whatever [04:10] * apachelogger just noticed that next week is labor day on thursday [04:10] labor day as Marx wanted it! [04:10] apachelogger just reminded me I don't have to go to classes next Thursday! [04:10] rather than in Sept. as we do it here [04:10] valorie: yeah, taking off half the week [04:10] socialist slackers :@ [04:11] jose: hehe, nice ^^ [04:16] valorie: what's your timezone? pdt? [04:17] in the fall and winter, yes [04:18] I'll actually see the Pacific at the end of the week [04:18] Linuxfest NW is this weekend [04:18] valorie: isn't it pst in winter? [04:18] oops, you are right [04:18] :P [04:18] we're sharing the *buntu table with Debian Seattle [04:18] should be fun [04:20] the pacific, a very badly named ocean right there ^^ [04:20] right now we're at peace with everyone around it [04:21] can bring storms though for sure [04:21] and tsunamis [04:23] * apachelogger does math [04:24] fitting BST and PDT into a UTC morning time slot is quite the challenge [04:25] which just made me realize that at that point EDT is the problematic one ^^ [04:27] Depends on how late the EDT people stay up. [04:28] that is true, I don't expect people to listen to me babbling about the importance of jellyfish after midnight though ;) [04:28] woah, what are you drinking that gets you babbling about jellyfish? [04:28] We already had the "J" release anyway. [04:29] * ScottK fears he does it sober. [04:29] yes [04:29] jellyfish are very interesting though [04:29] * apachelogger sends mail [04:29] gorgeous in aquariums [04:30] http://doodle.com/z5723iwv9cmc75y2 what's the first time slot you see here? [04:30] 6am for me [04:31] should be 9am [04:31] I do really wonder if doodle will ever manage to not make time zone control such a drag [04:33] if you go to work for them, maybe [04:33] brrr, webdevelopment [04:33] not my cup a tea unfortunately [04:35] valorie: what does the doodle say now? [04:35] 6pm - 11pm [04:35] all of which would be excellent for me [04:36] valorie: that'd be CEST ;) [04:36] ah, I'm not logged in [04:36] silly me [04:37] hmmm, doesn't change [04:37] it should know my timezone [04:38] yeah, I somehow broke timezones [04:38] which I count as a boon TBH [04:38] I wish everyone would just use UT [04:38] One Time Zone to Rule Them All [04:38] I think if you do not define a location it will simply use the times verbatim without TZ conversion [04:38] so I can now use UTC ^^ [04:39] I see [04:41] valorie: poll showing 4pm to 9pm now? [04:41] yes [04:47] It shows that for me too. [04:47] thanks [04:48] Of course if it's in UTC, I always show up at the wrong time because I suck a TZ math. [04:48] a/at [04:48] I can make it localized but then people would get confused even more ^^ [04:48] * apachelogger has handy links for tz conversion tho [04:50] It's even worse right now because I'm physically in Mountain Time, but my laptop is still on Eastern. [04:56] ScottK: you know, I fixed timezone setting, you should totally be able to change your timezone :P [04:57] I can. I choose not to. [04:57] other option: you can actually enable timezone display via the clock applet setting without changing your actual timezone, scrolling on the clock will then change the timezone display and hovering displays all enabled zones [04:57] Yeah. I had UTC enabled that way for awhile. [04:58] ^ that's what I do, though frankly I found it much easier to always use UTC unless I am in central europe ^^ [04:59] the first challange one always faces with timezones is to know which city to use because you cannot set an actual time zone [04:59] Don't you live in central Europe? [04:59] ScottK: yes, that's why I am saying, I am not using UTC at home [04:59] always except most of the time seems an odd way to put it. [05:00] I am still thinking UTC :P [05:00] but yeah, I see what you mean [05:00] I blame the 3 hours of sleep I had [05:00] apachelogger: re planning 14.10, it seems to be the big decision will be to base it on KF5/Plasma2 or on KDE SC 4.14 (which there will be one). [05:01] I doubt we can actually decide that now, so we out to work out a plan for how we decide (and when). [05:01] probably not, with plasma next lagging behind in the schedule I don't see it reaching stability in time [05:03] Maybe then vHanda will do another baloo release with the disable/enable button then. [05:03] that being said, I do not think we should go for it (or block any other development for it) unless we are absolutely sure it will be ready in time and of suitable quality [05:04] that was already very nerve wracking for 4.13, so I really would not want to have that for a big transition like plasma next [05:04] ScottK: lol [05:04] I still think that's the best solution. [05:05] Other than he's sick of whining, "it's a hard dependency, but make it so people can rip it out" makes no sense at all. [05:05] on that note, the gentoo guy on kde-packagers has a very valid point [05:06] Yeah. [05:06] Reminds me I need to write a mail on that thread before I go to sleep. [05:13] Done. [05:20] My brain is hurting. [05:21] I've used cvs, svn, and bzr today - all with the exact same syntax after the first three letters. [05:21] lol [05:22] Thanks to wifi on airplanes, the entire concept of a DVCS may be obsolete. [07:10] apachelogger: qt a11y is in proposed because it also includes bug 1290514 and I couldn't work out how to recreate the crash yesterday [07:10] bug 1290514 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "LibreOffice KDE4 backend crashes in Qt4 recursive paint events" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290514 [07:13] that's why I said they should not be bundled [07:13] in fact I highlighted exactly this case where one fix is good to go and the other is not [07:13] ............. [07:16] mm [07:30] Riddell: /apachelogger - are your chromium's working at the moment? [07:35] jussi: yep, I don't see any of your problems [07:35] Riddell: its very strange, at the moment it seems no keyboard works in chromium [07:35] * apachelogger uses the default brows0r :O [07:37] rm -r ~/.cache/chromium/ [07:37] rm -r ~/.config/chromium/ [07:37] try turning it off and on again? ↑ [07:44] I'm using chromium atm with no issues [07:54] ahh, I had removed the config, but not the cache, lemme try that [07:55] nope, no help there :/ [07:57] ok, found the issue [07:58] its ibus or whatever the little keyboard indicator thing is in the tray. clicked quit on that and it seems to now be working [07:58] this thread had the answer: http://linuxforums.org.uk/index.php?topic=11732.15;PHPSESSID=v57v57i8kv5meg4bon5smjpep0 [08:00] * apachelogger yawns [08:00] valorie: you still up? [08:00] yes [08:01] valorie: I am doing wiki movery, what did Ben mean with "Please do ensure it is properly namespaced however." in his mail? [08:01] simply putting all pages into Kubuntu/ ? [08:01] I would suppose so [08:01] k [08:01] however, he's awake and about in #kde-sysadmin [08:01] just talked to him a few mins ago [08:04] Good morning. [08:38] * apachelogger wonders why he marked the build envrionment page rubbish and useful at the same time [08:38] Are we getting cats? [08:42] apachelogger: :O [08:44] good morning [08:46] perhaps there is both on the page? [08:47] apachelogger: any idea what timezone your doodle is in? [08:47] UTC [08:47] Riddell: please read the mail I sent [08:47] also has handy links for time conversion [09:53] valorie: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/SystemDocumentation is for you [09:56] yofel, Riddell, ScottK: are we still using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph [09:57] "Hello Name, or anyone else affected," ^^ [10:04] I just opened https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333761 What is interesting is that the KRunner version looks old (4.11.8) … or is it OK? [10:04] KDE bug 333761 in general "KRunner crashes with Desktop Search runner enabled" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [10:05] yofel: do we actually want to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon [10:05] * apachelogger thinks the techbase thing should be sufficient TBH :P [10:05] Blizzz: kde-workspace is in feature freeze since 4.11 [10:08] apachelogger: k, thx [10:36] ScottK: bug 1290717 [10:36] bug 1290717 in akonadi (Ubuntu Trusty) "akonadi 1.11.80 fails to start" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1290717 [11:18] 'Morning folks [11:19] apachelogger: yes I think the DependencyGraph is useful to keep [11:49] oh [11:49] shot [11:49] ScottK: please reject kubuntu-driver-manager from the queue [11:50] shadeslayer: which queue? [11:50] shadeslayer: found it, rejected [11:50] thx [11:51] Riddell: fixed and re uploaded [12:10] apachelogger: I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1280773 also got fixed [12:11] Launchpad bug 1280773 in kubuntu-driver-manager (Ubuntu) "List of drivers gets repeated" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:11] since hitting reset now reloads the module [12:17] shadeslayer: should be anyway [12:17] okay [12:18] Riddell: could you also approve kubuntu-driver-manager 14.04ubuntu10? [12:22] shadeslayer: SRUs need someone from ~ubuntu-sru to approve [12:23] Riddell: okay [12:32] any movement on a 14.10 handle yet. or do we have to wait for a throne speech ? [12:33] I've not heard anything [12:34] ok [12:35] no uds either [12:35] all very peculiar === jackyalcine is now known as jacky [12:41] yeah i recall working on 14.04 chainloader to start the change over from 13.10 in 3 or 4 days after the official release [12:43] err within 3 or 4 days [12:44] * BluesKaj gulps more coffee [12:49] Riddell: so ... 14.10 is out ? [12:49] :P [12:50] hehe Peace- , no sign of 14.10 anywhere yet [12:50] BluesKaj: :) hi BluesKaj how are you ? [12:51] hi Peace-, I'm fine thanks , and you? [12:51] BluesKaj: new car :P i am happy [12:52] nice Peace- , what did you buy? [12:52] opel meriva [12:53] BluesKaj: http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/2014-opel-meriva-facelift-revealed-photo-gallery_11.jpg?1381320543 [12:57] Peace-, nice little car [12:57] a guy like me would never fit in it :) [12:57] :) it's not little for me but i guess it's little for a canadian [12:57] BluesKaj: :D i guess yes [12:58] i mean you right [12:58] i think that you have told me your are very tall [13:00] SC 4.14 due in August, should be fine for us http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.14_Release_Schedule [13:04] Peace-, yes taller than most and somewhat heavier too, but the extra weight comes with age, unfortunately [13:05] BluesKaj: :) age came for everyone ;D [13:05] comes [13:05] * [13:13] Riddell: I agree. [13:17] shadeslayer: since this upload will overwrite the current SRU, please reupload using -v so both changelog entries are in the .changes. [14:35] ScottK: oh :( [14:35] might as well fix the version number then [14:39] ScottK: done [15:19] hi all. I've noticed that http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Software/Games/Steam was not tagged for translation and I did it 2 days ago. so it is available for translation. [15:19] also there are some problems in local documents. [15:20] for example, go to Contribute->Testing, you will see return to kubuntu home which directs users to userbase.kde [15:20] also in chapter 10. steam link does not work, maybe it has been forgotten [15:22] vgezer: ping ahoneybun with any docs issues but I think if you find problems you're very welcome to fix them [15:23] Riddell: i see. what about packaging stuff? did you include translations of docs? eg. Turkish is fully translated, but in my help, the docs are only English. [15:24] vgezer: apachelogger was good enough to package the docs, you can see the contents with dpkg -K kubuntu-docs [15:25] vgezer: I see it doesn't include turkish, I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation and it'll be included in the update for .1 [15:25] but apachelogger will know [15:25] Riddell: thanks. dpkg -K gives unknown option error :/ [15:28] vgezer: dpkg -L sorry [15:35] Riddell: i see thanks. ok thanks for caring. I will be waiting their answer :) [16:37] vgezer, Riddell: it probably failed sanity testing [16:37] it was in the config http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu-docs.git&a=blob&h=43b3ec1cae68fca6bdb81f6fe36b5c9d709dccfc&hb=da2b59e5e1cb51ab3bcb586fe18f4954e2fa5a6b&f=export.cfg [16:38] alas, translations that fail to parse as docbook are ditched [16:40] apachelogger: I don't suppose you know how I can get frameworkintegration to compile? http://paste.kde.org/pwgmsn04h [16:41] Riddell: haven't seen that before, possibly missing an include? [16:43] apachelogger: ah. can we see the log of sanity test? [16:43] sure [16:43] clone the repo [16:44] then edit export.sh to exit at line 67 [16:44] then cd doc && meinproc4 --check index.docbook [16:46] oh, I guess one could also simply remove the dev/null redirect from export.sh [16:47] ah hah, it's all mgaesslin's fault [16:52] apachelogger: could you double check I'm not doing something broken here? I can't submit this to reviewboard http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/DIFF "The file 'docs/CMakeLists.txt' (rcb9ef01) could not be found in the repository" [16:54] apachelogger: how long approximately does it take (the export)? [16:56] Also I think we should remove the PPA on Launchpad (kubuntu-docs) [16:57] depends on the connection [16:57] Riddell: git add docs/CMakeLists.txt? [16:59] apachelogger: but the diff does contain docs/CMakeLists.txt [16:59] not sure what that error is about then [17:00] Riddell: you can post the diff to reviewboard [17:00] apachelogger: that's what I'm doing, it doesn't let me [17:00] git still defeats me [17:00] peculiar [17:00] apachelogger: index.docbook:459: element sect2: validity error : Syntax of value for attribute id of sect2 is not valid [17:00] .DEB Dosyalarını Kurma [17:00] <vgezer> which seems the same as it is in userbase [17:00] <vgezer> i mean the source and the target [17:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: well it looks fine to me but short of posting it on review board I suggest you run it at least by agateau [17:01] * apachelogger is not that good with the cmake foo on kf5 yet ^^ [17:01] <Riddell> agateau: git magic needed! [17:23] <apachelogger> vgezer: I believe you cannot start a title with a point [17:28] <vgezer> apachelogger: i see. i edited, but probably need to wait one day, right? [17:28] <vgezer> also we need to modify export.cfg to include Software/Games/Steam/ as well [17:42] <apachelogger> vgezer: wait for? [17:42] <vgezer> wait for svn update? [17:43] <apachelogger> svn update? [17:43] * apachelogger is not following [17:43] <vgezer> apachelogger: when i do ./export.sh it tries to update the branch [17:44] <vgezer> but it didnt pull my changes [17:45] <apachelogger> vgezer: still the same issue? [17:47] <vgezer> apachelogger: i cannot see the file to edit in my local copy. [17:47] <apachelogger> if you run export it will discard everything and start from scratch [17:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sddm has packaging upstream, we either: a) tell them (or help them; ScottK?) to get it into Debian b) do it ourselves [18:02] <Quintasan> bloody hell [18:02] <Quintasan> It's really Utopic Unicorn? [18:02] <Quintasan> >time to bring systemd to the centre of Ubuntu [18:03] <Quintasan> oh Mark [18:05] <vgezer> apachelogger: now it compiled [18:10] <debfx> I guess this is the chance to merge fluffy into kubuntu proper ;) [18:10] <Quintasan> debfx+ [18:10] <Quintasan> debfx++ even [18:10] <Quintasan> Where is apachelogger when he is needed [18:19] <soee_> uh oh just saw it: Utopic Unicorn :) [18:21] <maco> utopic? dont most people use utopian for the adjective of utopia? [18:23] <Quintasan> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/utopic [18:23] <Quintasan> Apparently it's correct [18:24] <maco> hehe utopian gets a much longer entry [18:25] <Quintasan> True. [18:25] <Quintasan> Well, not like I really care if I'm going to do DIST=utopic or DIST=utopian [18:25] * Quintasan is going to shorten it to DIST=u anyways [18:26] * Quintasan sniggers at his laziness === soee_ is now known as soee [18:38] <soee> utopic sounds like utpoić in PL :) [18:38] <soee> *utopić [18:39] <soee> anyway, lags on second screen connected through hdmi might be related to nvidia drivers ? === alvin is now known as serverhamster [18:39] <jose> YES, WE'VE GOT THE UNICORN! === serverhamster is now known as alvin [18:41] <ahoneybun> vgezer, still here? [18:41] <vgezer> ahoneybun: yes [18:41] <ahoneybun> so there are translations missing and links dead I hear? [18:43] <Quintasan> soee: Why would you drown a unicorn? [18:44] <soee> Quintasan: not me :P [18:44] <vgezer> ahoneybun: for example, go to Contribute->Testing, you will see return to kubuntu home which directs users to userbase.kde [18:45] <vgezer> also in chapter 10. steam link does not work, it should have been included into export.cfg file [18:45] <vgezer> brb. need to go shopping :p. i will be here in 15 mins. [19:02] <vgezer> ahoneybun: did you check? [19:05] <ahoneybun> vgezer, tbh I have ubuntu gnome installed [19:37] <vgezer> ahoneybun: i see. so who has access to that repo to fix those? [20:16] <ahoneybun> vgezer, valorie [20:17] <ahoneybun> well she has kubuntu installed [20:24] <yofel> apachelogger: wrt. neon wiki best talk to Quintasan as he set that up. I won't cry if it's gone though. [20:24] <Quintasan> yofel: Is there anything wrong with it? [20:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: tried this yet? ^^ https://plus.google.com/u/0/107564545827215425270/posts/NqMnfSSCGLo [20:24] <yofel> [12:05:05] <apachelogger> yofel: do we actually want to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/ProjectNeon [20:24] <yofel> [12:05:10] -*- apachelogger thinks the techbase thing should be sufficient TBH :P [20:24] <yofel> Quintasan: ^ [20:25] <Quintasan> I see. [20:26] <Quintasan> Well, I'll be looking at that this weekend and I'll migrate it to TechBase if needed [20:26] <yofel> our documentation should be changed to focus on kf5 anyway [20:27] <yofel> and neon4 is bricked - and I don't feel like fixing it [20:29] <yofel> hm, utopic relase it'll be [20:29] * yofel thinks living in utopia will be fun === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Utopic. | Congratulations to an excellent release everyone! === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - So Utopic. | Kubuntu 14.04 released - get back to work! | https://trello.com/kubuntu | Reports http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Polo Shirts are available again!! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ (Womens also) [20:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: heh, I knew pitti had a PPA with systemd, never bothered to try it though [20:56] <shadeslayer> I'll switch with utopic :) [22:05] <Quintasan> bloody hell [22:05] <Quintasan> Amarok 2.8.0 is really behind master [22:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's new in master? [22:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: crapton of fixes plus merges of branches like gsoc2013ScriptingRevamp or gsoc-importers or origin/gsoc-audiocd-2013 or origin/spotify-new [22:21] <Riddell> ooh, spotify integration sounds good === NoNameYet_xnox is now known as xnox [22:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: Congratulations. You at least got your Unicorn. [23:48] * valorie has access to no repos that I know of! [23:49] <valorie> wouldn't know how to access/what to do, etc. [23:50] <valorie> for that system documentation, I need to send an email so we can decide what to do [23:50] <valorie> I've forgotten all the issues, but I think the biggest one is translations [23:53] <valorie> unfortunately we are now leaving for dinner