[02:15] <thomas_> how do i take a lock off
[02:15] <thomas_> i need help
[04:55] <pitti> Good morning
[14:11] <elfy> balloons: you happy to lose Ubuntu One from testcases now?
[14:35] <balloons> elfy, hmm.. we'll certainly archive them on the tracker.. and yea, I guess we remove them too.. version control after all, eh? But we can't actually delet them from the tracker db easily, so that would be a case for them to stay in the repo
[14:40] <elfy> balloons: perhaps we're talking at cross-purposes - I'm talking about removing references to ubuntu one in install testcases
[14:41] <balloons> elfy, ohh I was thinking we added a ubuntu one test itself.. perhaps we never did. Yes, certainly we can remove the references
[14:41] <elfy> slickymasterWork checked my MP earlier today
[14:41] <elfy> ok - cool - the MP included a  new testcase for studio - their install has a bit no-one else's does
[15:24] <elfy> balloons: I shall try to get to -classroom channels later on :)
[15:25] <balloons> elfy, :-) open week always slips up on me, it's in the nice calm period after release
[15:25] <elfy> :)
[15:26] <elfy> I'll see if I can come up with a really nasty question :p
[15:26] <elfy> or try and help in the -chat one a bit
[15:57] <cgoldberg> balloons, ping... so i want to write an blog post on Autopilot.  yet another brief introduction... but with some nice code samples.  my blog is syndicated on planet python and canonical voices...  we need more community juice flowing to AP :)
[16:00] <cgoldberg> balloons, but I'm lazy and the docs already explain most everything I want to say.   Do you think it's kosher to reblog some of the Documentation content.  And then I'll write examples using a little Qt5 app that I'll write (AP docs use a Qt4 app).
[16:00] <balloons> cgoldberg, go for it! Having things in the docs isn't bad, and rehasing it slightly for a blog post I think is fine
[16:01] <cgoldberg> cool.  gonna work on it a little each day, hopefully have it ready in a few days
[16:01] <balloons> cgoldberg, so you want it to be an intro again eh?
[16:02] <cgoldberg> basically yes.. showing an app.. writing a cursory AP test for it, explain the parts of the test.... then show how to run it.
[16:03] <cgoldberg> sort of an updated version of this:  http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/tutorial/getting_started.html#a-simple-test
[16:03] <balloons> ok, but using qt5 ..
[16:03] <cgoldberg> aimed at testers and python hackers.  not at casual ubuntu user.
[16:04] <cgoldberg> yea PyQt5
[16:04] <balloons> gotcha gotcha
[16:05] <cgoldberg> balloons, i want to write more advanced posts... but I need a base one that explains some mechanics that i can refer back to.  and there's no Intro that's at the level I like
[16:05] <elfy> balloons: ok - done those syncs now
[16:07] <balloons> cgoldberg, I think pushing the level is just fine. There is an audience for more in-depth things, however small. If nothing else, it allows you to go to the next level if you've hacked on AP or a bit
[16:08] <cgoldberg> balloons, ok.. 1 intro post, then advanced topics for future posts
[16:42] <alesage> quick q: any ideas for how to use autopilot to get back to the greeter?
[16:43] <balloons> on the phone?
[16:43] <alesage> balloons, yes on the phone, good q
[16:43] <alesage> balloons, trying to validate that the background image has changed
[16:44] <balloons> alesage, ahh.. so you want to maintain introspecting the original app then eh?
[16:44] <alesage> balloons, not sure I understand
[16:45] <alesage> balloons, actually not really needing to return to the app
[16:46] <alesage> wanting autopilot to reach a finger and press the 'sleep' button twice
[16:46] <balloons> alesage, I get what you are asking, sorry to confuse. Off the top, I'm not sure autopilot is the best for this, but, you could close the app and do validation in the teardown. The thing is, autopilot can't introspect the greeter unless you launch with it
[16:47] <alesage> balloons, aha interesting, so getting the greeter to launch, it'll still be around probably
[17:19] <elopio> balloons: who's the developer of the rss?
[17:19] <balloons> elopio, there's a few folks.. not sure any are online now, but I can give you contact info
[17:19] <elopio> balloons: or, the music devs.
[17:20] <elopio> I'm looking for a workaround they have in the swipe-to-delete
[17:20] <balloons> elopio, andrew and victor are the music devs
[17:21] <balloons> elopio, see #ubuntu-app-devel, andrew is around right now, I pinged you and him
[17:22] <elopio> thanks
[18:02] <balloons> openweek session time, feel free to observe in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:10] <elfy> observe? I has leading questions ...
[18:10] <balloons> elfy, I expect nothing less of you
[18:10] <elfy> :p
[18:11] <elfy> just one comment so far - replace ubuntu with FAMILY :p
[18:14] <balloons> elfy, well said..
[18:15] <balloons> s/ubuntu/FAMILY/g
[18:15] <elfy> :)
[18:16] <elfy> balloons: light relief when you get a moment http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219271
[18:22] <balloons> I see unicorns in my future
[18:24] <elfy> :)
[18:24] <elfy> I saw the future ages ago lol
[18:25] <elfy> your lottery ticket numbers are ...
[19:02] <elfy> balloons: so I wasn't aware that there was an ap channel as well - not that I would be ;)
[19:02] <balloons> elfy, right you probably weren't. I swapped to using it more and more.. and other folks certainly do so as you'll get better answers there than here :-)
[19:02] <elfy> the thing I find hard is that almost all the talk in here is ap related and when someone does want to talk about something else - it gets completely swamped
[19:03] <balloons> but I certainly shoot the breeze on anything in here.. I like lively channels, but not everyone is the same
[19:03] <elfy> I understand that ap is important obviously
[19:03] <balloons> your feedback is important. I'll be sure to make an effort to not swamp the channel with AP stuff
[19:03] <balloons> there is more going on :-)
[19:04] <elfy> yea yea - totally agree - but I could see that if someone new did come in here about something other than ap - I bet half the time they'd not bother saying anything if irc is new to them
[19:04] <balloons> mostly I think it would be useful for more testers to just hop on IRC while testing
[19:04] <balloons> I feel like it would be very helpful
[19:04] <elfy> and *we* are trying to get people involved with *us* where ap is not much help at the moment
[19:04] <balloons> not many people understand irc
[19:04] <elfy> yep
[19:05] <elfy> webchat makes that easier
[19:05] <balloons> dkessel, you about? How did the trusty release treat you?
[19:05] <elfy> what I would hate is for this channel to have tumbleweed in it though ...
[19:11]  * patdk-wk runs around looking for tumbleweeds
[19:15] <elfy> patdk-wk: here you are http://i.imgur.com/WybNkNw.gif?1
[19:27] <elfy> balloons: can we try and get something done with see removed/superseded build on the tracker bug this cycle?
[19:27] <elfy> the bug that I can't find the number for :(
[19:27] <balloons> elfy, bug # again?
[19:27] <balloons> lolololol
[19:27] <balloons> ahh yes THAT one
[19:27] <elfy> it's one of yours is as close as I can get atm :p
[19:28] <balloons> is it an stgraber issue?
[19:28] <elfy> I think so
[19:29] <elfy> bug 1126449
[19:30] <elfy> and now I see it in my list of commented bugs ...
[19:38] <cgoldberg> elfy, for AP specific questions, feel free to politely direct people to #ubuntu-autopilot ... it's not quite as lively as here, but all the AP devs are always in it, and questions are noticed generally get good responses
[19:39] <elfy> cgoldberg: it's really not a huge issue most of the time - just when I'm after something :)
[19:40] <cgoldberg> gotcha.. but can keep that in mind of a newb stops by hogs the channel with AP questions :)
[19:41] <elfy> cgoldberg: bit hard for me to tell that - as I tend to blank out ap conversations so generally don't know if someone is a newb to it or not
[19:41] <elfy> and the fact that it's all voodoo to me :)
[19:42] <cgoldberg> rather than blanking, just say "btw, there is also #ubuntu-autopilot, it is specifically for AP related questions" :)
[19:42] <elfy> I wonder though if blog posts that talk of ap - talk of #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-autopilot ?
[19:43] <cgoldberg> #ubuntu-autopilot is rather unpublicized
[19:43] <elfy> ok
[19:44] <cgoldberg> elfy, when i blog next about AP, i'll mention both channels and what they are for
[19:44] <elfy> not that I expect people to read the topic - perhaps it could be in there too
[19:44] <elfy> balloons: ^^
[19:45] <cgoldberg> topic needs to be changed anyway :)  Trusty is the present, not the future
[19:46] <elfy> iso tracker has unicorns
[19:46] <elfy> cgoldberg: yea :)
[19:53] <balloons> ohh topic updates
[19:53] <balloons> ideas?
[19:54] <elfy> elfy said unicorn in January - he's the kiddy !
[19:54] <balloons> i'll update the topic too elfy
[19:54] <balloons> on AP stuff I mean :-)
[19:55] <elfy> thanks :)
[19:55] <elfy> Looking towards a Utopian Future!
[19:55] <elfy> lol
[19:55] <dkessel> balloons: good evening. what do you mean "treat me"?
[19:56] <balloons> mwahaha, the power!
[19:56] <dkessel> I love the choice ... unicorn ftw!
[19:56] <balloons> dkessel, my english doesn't translate well. I'm asking how the trusty upgrade went, how your machines are running, etc
[19:56] <balloons> and in general, just saying hello!
[19:57]  * dkessel waves :)
[19:58] <dkessel> oh yes. well everything went fine :) upgraded the wife's and parents' machines to trusty so that I won't have to keep upgrading versions every 6 months ;)
[19:59] <dkessel> oh BTW I got married two weeks ago
[19:59] <dkessel> my main desktop has been on trusty a long time, so no surprises there
[20:00] <elfy> congratulations dkessel :)
[20:00] <elfy> not on the upgrades ... ;)
[20:01] <elfy> stgraber: not that I'm impatient - but when is the package tracker likely to be ready?
[20:02] <elfy> ty balloons :)
[20:02] <balloons> dkessel, congrats on getting married! I wish you and your spouse a happy and bright future
[20:02] <balloons> it's wonderful to have a partner in life :-)
[20:03] <dkessel> thank you guys :)
[20:05] <dkessel> is there a date for the vUDS-U yet?
[20:05] <elfy> will anyone go?
[20:07] <dkessel> or will it not be V anymore?
[20:07] <elfy> I can't see it being a real one dkessel
[20:18] <dkessel> I fear the date will be announced late again
[20:21] <elfy> http://www.jonobacon.org/2014/04/03/ubuntu-online-summit-dates/
[20:21] <elfy> isn't it then?
[20:21] <elfy> balloons: ^^
[20:22] <balloons> elfy, the June dates? yes that's the planned date
[20:22] <balloons> wanted to get in front of late announces, heh, but we need to remember to announce several more times as it gets close
[20:22] <elfy> for vUDS or whatever it's called now
[20:23] <balloons> yep, vUDS. Should be interesting since the LTS is behind us, and LOTS of ideas are ahead
[20:25] <elfy> I find it hard to get to these things - as I suspect do a lot of people that don't work for Canonical
[20:25] <elfy> not that it makes much difference to me - at least it's free if I do manage to get to a session :)
[20:26] <balloons> yea.. it's plus or minus.. at a physical event, it's easy to get together, but it's a limited group who can attend
[20:26] <balloons> with vUDS, anyone can attend, except timezones and real life invades
[20:27] <balloons> it's hard for those outside the european friendly timezones.. folks in Australia, NZD and Asia have a lot of trouble
[20:27] <elfy> yep
[20:28] <elfy> not an easy ask