[00:50] <kenvandine> janimo, did you try anything else out in bacon2d?
[01:53] <Travis> Hello.
[01:54] <Travis> I am not finding anything on Ubuntu working on a Galaxy Tab 3 SM-T210R.  Is there a way to install Ubuntu on it?
[01:57] <dobey> !devices
[01:57] <dobey> Travis: ^^
[01:58] <Travis> ok
[01:58] <Travis> There's nothing there for my tablet :(
[02:10] <Thorondor> Hi, what's the equivalent to "import Ubuntu.Telephony" on the C++ side?
[02:12] <dobey> Thorondor: no idea, and not sure if there is one
[02:14] <Thorondor> Hi dobey, thanks for answering
[02:14] <Thorondor> I'm looking at the messaging-app, but I would like to keep the QML part strictly for UI
[02:14] <dobey> indeed
[02:14] <Thorondor> However it does almost everything on QML
[02:15] <dobey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service doesn't show any c++ library/-dev packages
[02:15] <dobey> just the qtdeclarative plug-in
[02:17] <Thorondor> Yeah, I had to install it to make the default app work
[02:18] <Thorondor> Seems like most of the support is going to QML and HTML5 development
[02:19] <Thorondor> I will have to try using the telepathy APIs but not sure how that would work given all the isolation of apps
[02:19] <dobey> it should be possible to build an app without qml at all. granted, i have no idea how to do that at the moment :-/
[02:21] <dobey> ah ebay. where the phone you're waiting to bid on at the last minute, goes up $200 in only a few short hours
[02:22] <Thorondor> Probably, but after reading all this app confinement strategy, it all seems to be focused on the QML services provided on the phone
[02:22] <dobey> what do you mean by qml services?
[02:22] <dobey> qml is really meant to only be used for UI bits
[02:23] <dobey> it's certainly not suitable for implementing a service
[02:23] <Thorondor> I mean the services, like location, music, telephony
[02:23] <Thorondor> I have only seen those modules available on the QML side after importing the modules
[02:23] <dobey> i don't think they can be restircted to qml only
[02:23] <Thorondor> but I'm just starting on this
[02:24] <dobey> well those are just modules, not the services themselves
[02:24] <Thorondor> Sure, not the services, but the interfaces (API) seem to be provided only for QML
[02:24] <Thorondor> Or I just don't find the rest of the documentation
[02:30] <dobey> i suppose plenty of APIs are like that, yeah. i'm not sure why though
[02:31] <dobey> Thorondor: please files bugs against things that are only providing API via qtdeclarative plug-ins. that really should be fixed so that we have libraries that people can use from C++
[02:32] <Thorondor> Do you think this is really a bug? I would like it to be, but I'm not sure about that
[02:33] <Thorondor> All the documentation and examples are mainly focused on QML and give hints about how easy it is to write the apps in an easy way
[02:34] <dobey> yes it is a bug
[02:41] <dobey> Thorondor: having APIs only be usable via QML blocks an entire class of ISVs from being able to support Ubuntu with their applications
[02:44] <Thorondor> dobey: I agree. I'm just not sure where exactly Ubuntu Touch is heading...
[02:44] <Thorondor> But I can see that there's a location-service-dev package, so it's starting to make sense
[02:46] <dobey> well i know that cellular providers, and companies like EA and Skype, are not going to want to ship their apps on the phone as things where you can view the source, and probably would prefer to avoid having qml in their applications at all
[03:16] <Thorondor> Ok. Good Night
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:48] <bact> morning
[07:36] <well_known_perso> hi folks
[07:37] <well_known_perso> anyone has experience with installing Ubuntu touch on Xiaomi Red Rice ?
[08:40] <trap_exit> I want to buy an android phone
[08:41] <trap_exit> for the sole purpose of running ubuntu on it
[08:41] <trap_exit> which phone should I get?
[08:41] <ogra_> nexus4
[08:41] <popey> +1
[08:41] <popey> or get www.tomshardware.com/news/oneplus-android-smartphone-google-cyanogenmod,26610.html and do the porting work ☻
[08:42] <ogra_> yeah, that one is sweet ... to sad it will need porting
[08:43] <trap_exit> I currently have an sony xperia z ultra
[08:43] <trap_exit> I don't see what this oneplus phopne has over my phone
[08:43] <trap_exit> (if I were to port it to a new platform)
[08:47] <ogra_> yeah, well, it has nice technical data
[08:48] <ogra_> (3G RA is incredible)
[08:48] <ogra_> *RAM
[08:58] <trap_exit> bah
[08:58] <trap_exit> mine has 2GB RAM
[08:58] <trap_exit> and can use a fucking pencil as a stylus
[09:26] <kaaninel> hi anyone can tell me how to port ubuntu touch to my s3 mini ?
[09:26] <kaaninel> it's not officially supported by cm
[09:44] <anil> hi
[09:45] <anil> is samsung duos .GT-s7562 is comptible for ubuntu
[11:08] <robjh> hmmmm how much are nexus 4s going for these days
[11:09] <robjh> I just consulted amazon. 160 gbp. thats quite a lot for an old phone
[11:19] <ogra_> robjh, well, if you are patient you can wait til second half of the year and buy an ubunu phone instead :)
[11:20] <ogra_> (unliekly to be cheaper though)
[11:21] <robjh> ogra_, i thought little was confirmed about those devices. so little that the release timeframe is very likely to be pushed back?
[11:21] <ogra_> huh ?
[11:21] <ogra_> what makes you thinnk that
[11:22] <ogra_> (it was all over the press for weeks and they are surely not pushed back ... )
[11:23] <popey> hehe
[11:23] <robjh> perhaps my information is out of date or im just forgetting. I think i remember mark shuttleworth saying something like; expect devices in the latter half of 2014
[11:23] <robjh> which is far from specific
[11:23] <popey> sounds about right
[11:23] <ogra_> yeah
[11:23] <ogra_> and then he presented the two devices :)
[11:23] <popey> online store goes live 31/12/14 :D
[11:23] <ogra_> haha
[11:23] <popey> (i kid)
[11:23] <robjh> alright, so 2016 at the absolute latest
[11:23] <popey> how is 2016 the second half of 2014?
[11:24] <ogra_> 2016 is for "household brands" as he calls it
[11:24] <ogra_> i.e. when you can buy some big name phone wiht a contract at your provider
[11:24] <ogra_> 2014 second half you will see phones from meizu and bq, as announced a while ago
[11:25] <robjh> hope so.
[11:25] <ogra_> there is nothing to hope :) work on that is already happening
[11:27] <robjh> I expect them to be delayed. just because setbacks can happen and i dont think canonical would rush something so important just to meet an arbitrary deadline
[11:27] <ogra_> well, they are not for the general public anyway
[11:27] <robjh> having said that, the spreadsheet in the topic is looking fab right now
[11:27] <ogra_> it will be very clear to you if you buy it that this is for early adopters only
[11:29] <robjh> i dont think my expectations are that high xD
[11:29] <ogra_> you will only be able to buy it as certain places online and it will tell you that this isnt for plain endusers but for developers and early adopters when you buy it ... these first phones are all about not pushing the expectations to high in the beginning
[11:30] <robjh> as long as it supports ssh and has gcc installed. im happy
[11:30] <ogra_> in 2016 there will hopefully be a million apps in the store and you can just go to your next ... well vodafone partner shop and grab an ubuntu phone :)
[11:31] <ogra_> i doubt either will be installed in the long term :) ... but there shuld always be a way to get them
[11:32] <robjh> i'd hope so, if the coherence thing is still on the cards
[11:33] <ogra_> well, convergence is clearly more a 2016 target
[11:33] <ogra_> but it might happen earlier, depending on how fast the desktop moves
[11:34] <robjh> i mean, i'd expect to have gcc and ssh on desktop class computers ;)
[11:35] <robjh> shh + ipv6 + 4g would make for an interesting combination
[11:35] <ogra_> we dont install sshd today ...
[11:36] <ogra_> but yeah, the client is a default part ... even on the phone
[11:36] <robjh> awesome
[11:36] <ogra_> gcc not so much ... and on the desktop it is only shipped by default for binary/dkms drivers
[11:36] <asac> ricmm on today?
[11:37] <ogra_> asac, he got his new internet in the new flat yesterday ... havent seen himm online since
[11:37] <ogra_> mandel might know
[11:38] <mandel> asac, he is, yet he is going to me a little late because he had to do some paper work to register in his bureau
[11:38] <mandel> asac, AFAIK he should be here any time
[11:39] <ogra_> what ? they have paperwork in spain ?
[11:39] <ogra_> :)
[11:39] <asac> mandel: ok cool thanks. tell him to ping me for something not very urgent, but important :)
[11:39] <asac> ]hehe
[11:39] <mandel> ogra_, merkel is trying to make us work like europe, go and figure hehehe
[11:39] <ogra_> lol
[11:40] <mandel> ogra_, onyl problem, the paperwork is done at a spanish pace.. not very fast ;)
[11:40] <ogra_> manana :)
[11:41]  * ogra_ reveals that he doesnt know how to type spanish accents :P 
[11:41] <asac> you need a paperwork reduction act :)
[11:41] <asac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperwork_Reduction_Act
[11:41] <mandel> asac, I just let him know that you are looking for him
[11:42] <asac> or that
[11:42] <asac> thx
[11:42] <ogra_> i think they just need less merkel :P
[11:42] <mandel> asac, ogra_ the most annoying thing is not doing the paper work, is the fact that government officials just work between 9 am to 2pm (plus a coffee break etc..) so is ALWAYS disturbs your work, because you know, their time is more important than yours..
[11:42]  * mandel swears in spanish
[11:43] <asac> haha
[11:43] <ogra_> lol
[11:43] <asac> 9am to 2pm is pretty good
[11:43] <asac> they often just have 9-11 am
[11:43] <asac> or something like that
[11:43] <asac> all the rest of the day they doo silent paperwork that probably is marginally close to zero
[11:43] <ogra_> especially with a "coffe break" from 9:30 to 13:30
[11:43] <ogra_> :)
[11:44] <asac> tvoss: !!
[11:44] <asac> welcome back
[11:44] <tvoss> asac, thanks :)
[11:44] <ogra_> do we have to call him daddyvoss now ?
[11:48] <asac> ogra_: tvoss -> dvoss :)
[11:48] <ogra_> ++
[11:48] <asac> or tdvoss
[11:48] <ogra_> :)
[11:48] <asac> Thomas (Daddy) Voss
[11:48] <tvoss> asac, ogra_ lol
[11:49]  * tvoss personally prefers dvoss
[11:49] <asac> tvoss: do it :)
[11:49] <asac> people will not be able to find yuo with tab anymore then :)
[11:49] <ogra_> ha
[12:16] <ogra_> mzanetti, dvoss ... so if i have a bunch of apps open, use the app switcher and the lifecycle handling has killed an app, why dont i see the app snapshot that the selector shows me on screen while the app starts but see the last app in the app switcher stack instead ?
[12:17] <ogra_> could we somehow change that ? it feels like the app has crashed (simply because our app startup time still takes way to long)
[12:19] <dvoss> ogra_, best to ask Saviq here. I remember a work item about preloading the app's surface with the last known state
[12:19] <dvoss> aka screenshot
[12:19] <ogra_> yeah
[12:19] <Saviq> dvoss, ?
[12:19] <ogra_> something like that ... probably in black/white or slightly greyed out or so
[12:19] <Saviq> Dhomas Voß?
[12:19] <dvoss> Saviq, ogra_ just asked for preloading an app's surface with a screenshot of the last known state
[12:19] <dvoss> Saviq, daddy voss, see backlog
[12:19] <ogra_> Saviq, daddy voss :)
[12:20] <Saviq> ;D
[12:20] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, planned
[12:20] <ogra_> good
[12:20] <Saviq> ogra_, will be: Splash screen → Real app → Screenshot → Real app etc.
[12:20] <tvoss> Saviq, ack and thx
[12:20] <ogra_> that wont help with the slow app startup ... but at least wont make you feel like your apps crash all the time
[12:21] <Saviq> ogra_, splash screen will help with slow startup
[12:21] <Saviq> which will be part of the same effort, really
[12:21] <ogra_> well, yeah, but thats also just a wrokaround
[12:21] <ogra_> we need to get below 2sec app startup time imho
[12:22] <Saviq> sure
[12:22] <ogra_> and i think we are still above 3sec currently
[12:22] <Saviq> still need a screenshot for the 2s :)
[12:22] <Saviq> orthogonal issues
[12:22] <Saviq> s/screenshot/splashscreen/
[12:22] <ogra_> sure
[12:22] <Saviq> and screenshot on resume
[12:22] <ogra_> like a mouse throbber
[12:23] <ogra_> screenshot requires properly saving the state though
[12:23] <ogra_> else it will be even worse if the screenshot shows the last open website but your browser restarts on start.ubuntu.com
[13:17] <frecel> good morning
[13:31] <cwayne> any idea when U archive will be ready for landing stuff?
[13:31] <ogra_> cwayne, aslk sabdfl
[13:31] <pmcgowan> cwayne, prolly a couple hours after mark announces the name?
[13:31] <ogra_> we're all waiting for him
[13:31] <ogra_> pmcgowan, lol
[13:32] <ogra_> more like a day or a few
[13:33] <ogra_> 2-3 is probably realistic
[13:37] <Graknol> So let's see if I have finally gotten this right! The AOSP build modifies the AOSP to overwrite Android while keeping propertairy blobs needed for the device to function, so in essence the build is heavily modified with ubuntu code, is that about right, cause I struggle with finding documentation of the structure of these methods and the images themselves
[13:43] <ogra_> Graknol, our android build only builds the hardware abstraction layer (drivers, config files and daemons to run these drivers) ... the rest is dropped
[13:44] <Graknol> but how does the system get into the image, im so confused as there is nearly zero documentation of non-deprecated info
[13:45] <ogra_> that android build runs inside a container that gets started during ubuntu boot ... the ubuntu rootfs itself is just a normal ubuntu rootfs
[13:45] <ogra_> bzr branch lp:project-rootstock-ng ... take a look at rootstock-touch-install
[13:45] <Graknol> k, will do
[13:47] <ogra_> essentially the boot img and recovery img files that your build spits out get flashed to boot and recovery partitions ... the boot.img contains a "normal" ubuntu initramfs instead of the android initrd
[13:47] <Graknol> mmm
[13:48] <ogra_> the rootfs side is set up in a similar way to what the rootstock-touch-install script has
[13:48] <Graknol> k
[13:48] <Graknol> so the imgs are the only thing i need now right?
[13:49] <Graknol> recover to the recovery one, then im good to go?
[13:49] <ogra_> you need the boot, recovery and system.img files the andrpid build spits out
[13:49] <Graknol> k, im just a little careful here as i do not want to brick it ;)
[13:50] <ogra_> then flash boot and recovery to their partitions on the device and follow the rootstock-touch-install steps (or just use that script directly) to assemble a rootfs from the system.img and the ubuntu rootfs tarball
[13:50] <ogra_> as long as you dont trash your bootloader you shouldnt be able to brick anything
[13:51] <Graknol> ohh, that calms me :)
[13:52] <ogra_> i.e. as long as you have an opportunity to flash you can always flash something working :)
[13:52] <Graknol> :)
[13:52] <Graknol> I admire your patience, I really do :)
[13:55] <mandel> pmcgowan, Elleo FYI we are block until we are allow to land to add support of udm + content-hub + browser, once we can I'll let you know
[13:56] <pmcgowan> mandel, ok thanks, we need that image app
[13:56] <mandel> s/allow/allowed sorry passive voice
[13:59] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: on trusty or u.*?
[13:59] <Elleo> mandel: okay, thanks
[14:00] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, u I suppose
[14:00] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, was referring to Elleo's cool new app
[14:01] <Elleo> pmcgowan: that actually works with the current version of download manager in trusty, it's just the app armor rules that need fixing for that (which is under way now)
[14:01] <sergiusens> ah, ok, yeah, that app is nice :-)
[14:01] <sergiusens> mandel: does that latest u-d-m also include the set download dir?
[14:02] <mandel> sergiusens, yes, it does
[14:02] <Elleo> although I get the impression that the qml bindings for download manager might not be installed as part of the base image from a problem someone had with it the other day
[14:02] <sergiusens> mandel: and can I get that in my go bindings? :-)
[14:02] <mandel> sergiusens, very good point, yes you should and I'll add a bug for that :)
[14:03] <mandel> Elleo, really? it might be that is was not added as a dependency of the sdk meta package...
[14:03] <mandel> gatox, is that possible ^^
[14:03] <Elleo> mandel: yeah, I'm not certain what image he had flashed, so it's possible he just had an old image
[14:04] <Elleo> I haven't checked in to it on a clean image
[14:04] <gatox> mandel, maybe... i don't know if you talked with the sdk people after all the changes into cmake and packaging that
[14:04] <mandel> gatox, nope, I'll check with them
[14:05] <mandel> Elleo, I'll take care of it
[14:05] <Elleo> mandel: awesome, thanks :)
[14:06] <mandel> Elleo, pmcgowan I make sure everything that is needed for browser and that image app is landed asap
[14:07] <ignacio|here> Hi all
[14:07] <ignacio|here> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 5
[14:07] <Elleo> mandel: thanks
[14:07] <ignacio|here> But I cant! When I do the install command I get this:
[14:07] <ignacio|here> Device hammerhead not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel trusty
[14:07] <pmcgowan> mandel, as soon as anything can land ;)
[14:08] <ogra_> ignacio|here, we dont have official support for hammerhead ... but there is a community port
[14:08] <mandel> pmcgowan, correct, but it also means talking with sdk, security etc.. so I have some "paperwork" to do ;-)
[14:08] <ignacio|here> ogra_, where I can get it?
[14:09] <ogra_> ignacio|here, ubuntu-device-flash --channel trusty --bootstrap --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu"
[14:09] <ogra_> try that
[14:09] <ignacio|here> wow
[14:09] <ignacio|here> ogra_, downloading thanks!
[14:09] <ogra_> :)
[14:12] <frecel> can someone try to the "run  html5 application on device" thing in ubuntu sdk? It hasn't been working for me lately and I don't know if it's an issue with my setup or if there is a bug somewhere
[14:13] <pmcgowan> dbarth, bzoltan ^^
[14:13] <bzoltan> frecel: let me check
[14:14] <Graknol> ogra_, emm so you thought i was talking about N4, I have a N5, so i guess ill grab that image instead ;)
[14:14] <dbarth> ok
[14:15] <dbarth> frecel: do you have an error log?
[14:15] <ogra_> Graknol, lol, yeah, do that, i thought you were porting to some exotic device
[14:15] <Graknol> hehe :)
[14:15] <Graknol> i guess ill just scrap the AOSP src then?
[14:16] <ogra_> for all devices that are supported by default in AOSP doing a port is a matter of doing a trivil rebuild for that arch
[14:16] <ogra_> (and adding some config files on teh ubuntu side)
[14:18] <frecel> dbarth: this is what I'm getting under the editor http://paste.ubuntu.com/7315026/
[14:18] <mandel> sergiusens, would also be nice to try and package the go bindings...
[14:18] <dbarth> frecel: yup, i can reproduce here :/
[14:19] <frecel> I think the issue is specifically with the html5 launcher on the phone because qml apps work just fine
[14:21] <ignacio|here> ogra_, finished
[14:21] <ignacio|here> ogra_, now I see android again
[14:21] <ignacio|here> no ubuntu touch :(
[14:21] <ogra_> was the device in bootloader mode when you flashed ?
[14:21] <ogra_> (big android on screen and a giant "Start" arrow at the top)
[14:21] <sergiusens> mandel: that would be nice ;-)
[14:21] <ignacio|here> ogra_, yeah this have
[14:22] <sergiusens> ignacio|here: was there an error while flashing?
[14:22] <ogra_> it should have rebooted a few times during the process, and then you should see a spinning ubuntu logo before it reboots into the new system
[14:23] <ignacio|here> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7315073/
[14:23] <dbarth>  bzoltan: it's specific to html5 apps; i guess the job interface changed recently
[14:23] <ignacio|here> 2014/04/23 11:19:00 Cannot push /home/ignacio/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-4cecf3052ae3d517869ca2ac632e7d49dfb0ef0b56cd6167754528dffbb9f5d7.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is unknown
[14:23] <ignacio|here> oh
[14:23] <ogra_> aha
[14:23] <ignacio|here> What can I do?
[14:24] <ignacio|here> any idea?
[14:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^ why cant it determine the free space ?
[14:25] <dbarth> frecel: thanks for the heads up ; here is a bug report for it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1311692
[14:26] <ogra_> mterry, uuuh, thats ugly ...
[14:26] <mandel> sergiusens, I'll try to get that done too
[14:26] <sergiusens> ogra_: because I don't need to; I format cache
[14:26] <mterry> ogra_, you talking about indicator-messages?
[14:26] <ogra_> mterry, looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/telephony-service/start-on/+merge/216492 ...
[14:27] <mterry> ogra_, well the actual merge is pretty.  My comment solution is ugly.  Depends on why the 'started unity8' bit was added
[14:27] <ogra_> why do you need a script (which spawns a shell) instead of just defining a proper start on condition
[14:27] <ignacio|here> so..
[14:27] <ignacio|here> No idea?
[14:27] <mterry> ogra_, note that indicator-network does the ubuntu-touch check today
[14:27] <ogra_> ugh
[14:27] <ogra_> there is a variable upstart exports that you can add to the start on stanza
[14:27] <ignacio|here> ogra_, I do it again
[14:27] <mterry> ogra_, xsession SESSION=ubuntu-touch I believe
[14:27] <ignacio|here> and I see the ubuntu logo with recovery options
[14:28] <mterry> xsession-start maybe
[14:28] <mterry> something like that
[14:28] <mterry> ogra_, but do you know that was the purpose?  To only run in ubuntu-touch?
[14:28] <sergiusens> ignacio|here: adb shell and run df -h, and also ls /cache/recovery
[14:28] <mterry> ogra_, because if they were just using unity8 as a proxy for 'indicators being ready' then my merge is the more correct solution
[14:28] <ogra_> "start on desktop-start DESKTOP_SESSION=ubuntu-touch and foo bar baz"
[14:29] <ignacio|here> sergiusens, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7315097/
[14:29] <frecel> Is anyone here runnig Ubuntu touch on something other than nexus4?
[14:29] <mterry> ogra_, using desktop-start like that would mean they'd need a separate start-on condition for unity8-greeter, but that's fine.  Could be added.  I just need to know why they used 'started unity8' which can't be correct no matter the reason  ;)
[14:29] <ogra_> mterry, i dont think it is wrong what you check for ... its just that shell you spawn pointlessly
[14:30]  * ignacio|here is trying to install Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 5 :P
[14:31] <sergiusens> ignacio|here: your disconnection doesn't seem to be related to space; can you from recovery just do ubuntu-device-flash --server "http://system-image.tasemnice.eu" --wipe --channel trusty ?
[14:32] <ogra_> mterry, actually the hud job looks pretty sane in that regard
[14:33] <ogra_> "start on started dbus and ((xsession SESSION=ubuntu-touch) or (xsession SESSION=ubuntu-touch-surfaceflinger) or (xsession SESSION=ubuntu))"
[14:33] <ignacio|here> sergiusens, a Android and Ubuntu logo is runningg
[14:33] <ignacio|here> o.o
[14:33] <ignacio|here> sergiusens, Ubuntu over Android
[14:34] <sergiusens> ignacio|here: just wait for it
[14:34] <ignacio|here> sergiusens, ok :)
[14:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: that surfaceflinger trigger seems outdated ;-)
[14:34] <ogra_> a little :)
[14:34] <ogra_> ted ^^
[14:35] <mterry> ogra_, sure.  Those are all fine.  Again, that wouldn't make it load on the greeter, but that's fine.  We don't want hud on the greeter.  If we do end up wanting a session check, I'll do something like hud + a check for greeter.  But again, I'm not sure what the intention behind the current start on stanza really is
[14:35]  * mterry should just do a bzr blame
[14:36] <ogra_> mterry, how about the greeter also sets its own "SESSION" variable then
[14:36] <frecel> ignacio|here: when you have ubuntu up and running can you put the phone to your ear like you are about to talk to someone and tell me if you hear any sound coming from the speaker?
[14:37] <ogra_> mterry, i think all the "start on unity8" jobs are just "hey thats the only thing we know to look for" thingies that we need to fix ...
[14:37] <ignacio|here> sergiusens, yeaaah
[14:37] <mterry> ogra_, well greeter doesn't use the xsession event really, but yeah.  It does have a custom upstart event it sends
[14:37] <ignacio|here> thanks man :D
[14:37] <ogra_> right, so check for that one as well
[14:38] <mterry> ogra_, but if the goal is just "be around when indicator-messages is", then my existing MR is fine
[14:38] <ogra_> tedg, see above, the hud upstart job needs some cleanup and drop the obsolete surfaceflinger stuff
[14:39] <ogra_> mterry, right, but you spawn a shell with your suggestion where you dont need to ... pre-start scripts are always costly
[14:39] <ogra_> wrt to startup speed
[14:39] <ignacio|here> sergiusens, where is the back,home,option buttons?
[14:40] <ogra_> ignacio|here, thats not android :)
[14:40] <ignacio|here> ogra_, I dont need it?
[14:40] <mterry> ogra_, sure, I was just stealing that code from indicator-network.  But that code is not what the MR is about.  The MR is really "start on started indicator-messages"
[14:40] <sergiusens> ignacio|here: no need to ask me directly ;-)
[14:40] <ogra_> mterry, right, and that one is correct ...
[14:40] <ignacio|here> sergiusens, ogra_, sorry! But thanks :)
[14:40] <mterry> ogra_, if they don't like that, I'll do something that doesn't start a shell, don't worry
[14:40] <ogra_> indicator-network surely isnt though
[14:41] <ignacio|here> I dont know how to go back haha
[14:41] <ogra_> ignacio|here, from where to where
[14:41] <ignacio|here> Where is the home? :P
[14:41]  * ogra_ wonders if the N5 doesnt show you the intro 
[14:41] <ogra_> it should have run you through the basic gestures
[14:42] <ignacio|here> How to send a message? D:
[14:42] <ignacio|here> Haha
[14:42] <ogra_> for going home you swipe fron the left edge to the right edge ... that swipes away the running app and leaves you at the home/apps screen
[14:43] <ignacio|here> the sound sound bad :P
[14:43] <ogra_> for switching between the last two open apps you do a short swipe from the right ... for selecting between all open apps you do a long swipe from the right
[14:43] <ignacio|here> Is there any way for see my "Sim" contacts?
[14:44] <mhall119> bfiller: what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1311409 ?
[14:44] <ogra_> the in-app back button is usually inside the toolbar that you can swipe in from the bottom
[14:44] <ogra_> ignacio|here,i dont think we have support for SIM contacts, nope ... google contacts work though ...
[14:44] <mhall119> using Elleo's Deep Vision yesterday, it was annoying that I had to take a picture and have it save to the gallery before I could use Deep Vision to open it
[14:44] <ignacio|here> ogra_, oh, thanks man
[14:44] <ignacio|here> ¿How to remove Amazon?
[14:44] <mhall119> and I would always delete the image afterwards, so as not to clutter my gallery
[14:45] <ogra_> ignacio|here, the app ?
[14:45] <mhall119> ignacio|here: on phone or desktop?
[14:45] <Elleo> mhall119: yeah, I was thinking a similar thing
[14:45] <ogra_> just hold the icon for a moment, it offers you an uninstall button then
[14:45] <bfiller> mhall119: I think it makes sense
[14:45] <ignacio|here> on phone
[14:46] <ignacio|here> coool
[14:46] <ignacio|here> Any way for find apps?
[14:46] <mhall119> ignacio|here: search in the apps scope
[14:46]  * ignacio|here try
[14:46] <mhall119> apps scope searches installed apps as well as apps available in the store
[14:46] <ignacio|here> I have facebook app :o
[14:46] <ignacio|here> haha
[14:46] <ogra_> and also expand the bottom arrow for available apps
[14:46] <ogra_> (only works if you are online though)
[14:47] <ignacio|here> good job guys
[14:47] <mhall119> thanks ignacio|here
[14:47] <ogra_> :)
[14:47] <Graknol> ignacio|here, I'll be joining you tomorrow in the journey of UT on N5 :D
[14:48] <ignacio|here> Graknol, yay!
[14:48] <ignacio|here> We need a officialy ubuntu touch for nexus 5 :)
[14:49] <Graknol> it is on hold iirc, so i guess they will do it when they got a RC
[14:49] <ignacio|here> haha
[14:49] <ignacio|here> "stallboard" haha :P
[14:49] <Graknol> whut?
[14:49] <ignacio|here> Just looking at apps :P
[14:50] <Graknol> ohh :)
[14:50] <Graknol> are you a dev?
[14:50] <ignacio|here> just a user of ubuntu :)
[14:50] <ignacio|here> I are developer of python apps on Sugar Labs :)
[14:51] <tedg> mterry, Why don't you want HUD on the greeter? For apps that are running in greeter mode?
[14:51] <mterry> tedg, we don't have any of those yet -- though we will have some once we enable locked screen
[14:51] <Graknol> I'll start familiarizing myself in UT development when i get my device :)
[14:52] <ignacio|here> Graknol, its cool, and it my first time at UT
[14:53] <ignacio|here> umm I need a Ubuntu One account? :_
[14:54] <ogra_> sure, to access the store
[14:55] <ignacio|here> just forget the password..
[14:55] <ignacio|here> I didnt see the keyboard when I touch some fills
[14:56] <cwayne> dbarth, does the switch to oxide fix all the UA craziness we'd had in webapps?
[14:56] <dbarth> cwayne: hi
[14:57] <dbarth> cwayne: not all of it,but a good part
[14:57] <dbarth> cwayne: plus we're getting per-webapp ua overrides now
[14:57] <dbarth> cwayne: alex-abreu is on a branch for that
[14:58] <cwayne> dbarth, ah, awesome
[14:58] <ignacio|here> ogra_,  by the way, Ubuntu one die?
[14:59] <ogra_> ignacio|here, the filesharing service, yes
[15:00] <ignacio|here> but my account work anyway?
[15:00] <dbarth> frecel: https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/fix-1311692/+merge/216904
[15:00] <dbarth> this should fix it
[15:02] <ignacio|here> When I try to install app
[15:02] <ignacio|here> It say: Download install failed
[15:31] <doanac> sergiusens, ogra_: you think we could get phablet-tools updated in saucy? our CI server is still on saucy for phablet-tools and I need the new phablet-bootchart command there
[15:31] <sergiusens> doanac: yeah, give me a sec
[15:31] <sergiusens> doanac: is there a plan to update to trusty btw?
[15:32] <doanac> sergiusens: i think larry is working on that
[15:32] <ogra_> Saviq, so i had two unity8 crashes within the last 5 days (and was using my phone a lot) ... one thing i noticed is that after unity8 comes up again often the apps dont start anymore, if that happens again, whaat should i look for ?
[15:32] <doanac> i just think i'll get the bootchart test going before he gets the upgrade done
[15:33] <ogra_> ++
[15:36] <Saviq> ogra_, I believe what happens is that the apps are basically still running
[15:37] <Saviq> ogra_, SIGSTOP'ed, as nothing causes them to quit when unity8 dies
[15:37] <Saviq> ogra_, or maybe that's why nothing causes them to quit
[15:37] <Saviq> because they're STOP'ed, they don't die when losing the mir connection
[15:37] <Saviq> and then unity8 asks u-a-l to start the app, but it comes back with "already started"
[15:38] <Saviq> ogra_, so basically - you probably can't start apps that are already started
[15:38] <Saviq> s/are/were/
[15:38] <Ploppz> What is the name of the coming native phone for ubuntu and when is the approximate release?
[15:38] <ogra_> Saviq, right, we should find a way to do that :)
[15:38] <Saviq> ogra_, if you kill them with X and launch again, they'll work
[15:39] <ogra_> Ploppz, not clear what the exact model names are, the manufacturers are meizu and bq
[15:39] <ogra_> Saviq, sure, but it would be better to properly recover after a crash :)
[15:39] <Ploppz> When will it come out? Are we speaking months or  a year?
[15:39] <Saviq> ogra_, I'm not saying that's correct - it's still a bug
[15:39] <Saviq> Ploppz, later this year
[15:40] <ogra_> Ploppz, second half of 2014 ... end of summer or so
[15:42] <Ploppz> I saw a video featuring the kickstarter that died - will it still be a feature to connect the phone to a screen to get a desktop?
[15:43] <ogra_> not with these phones
[15:43] <ogra_> the feature is still planned, but first there needs to be a finished phone OS before it can get a desktop mode
[15:44] <ogra_> if the ubuntu edge would have been funded there would have been priority on developing that mode alongside
[15:45] <ignacio|here> well, time for school, thx guys
[15:53] <Rienzilla> mhall119: am I correct to assume you are de developer of the calendar app?
[15:53] <popey> Rienzilla: nope, he's part of the community team, wassup?
[15:56] <Rienzilla> oh I had been talking about calendar synching options yeaterday. ogra_ pointed out that I could - probably - use syncevolution to sync with a calendar server
[15:56] <Rienzilla> however syncevolution is kind of a beast at first sight :)
[15:56] <ogra_> heh, it is
[15:57] <Rienzilla> so I wondered if anyone could help me out a little with that
[15:57] <Rienzilla> I set up a working caldav/carddav server with sogo
[15:57] <Rienzilla> but I'm a little clueless on how to sync with it :-)
[16:09] <mhall119> Rienzilla: calendar syncing with google is currently supported via the Google Online Accounts
[16:09] <ogra_> mhall119, without google ;)
[16:09] <mhall119> oh, caldav, yeah you can set it up with syncevolution, but manually
[16:10] <Rienzilla> ok, but once I do that, will syching be automatic, or will I have to manuallly sync with command line every time?
[16:11] <mhall119> Rienzilla: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SyncEvolution/Synchronize-evolution-data-with-caldav-cardav-server has some pretty good documentation on how to set it up
[16:11] <Rienzilla> ah great
[16:11] <mhall119> syncing won't be automatic, I don't think, you'll have to manually call syncevolution
[16:11] <Rienzilla> hmokay
[16:11] <mhall119> bfiller: ^^ can you comment on that? I'm not sure if the background sync service runs all of syncevolution's configurations or just the Google one
[16:11] <ogra_> we ship cron ;)
[16:12] <mhall119> cron would work too
[16:12] <ogra_> just set up a crontab to regulary sync
[16:12] <ogra_> (as the phablet user)
[16:13] <mhall119> Rienzilla: it would be awesome if you made a Online Accounts provider for SOGo, then it could automatically setup syncing for the user when they create an account, like the Google provider does
[16:13] <mhall119> if you're interested in that, kenvandine can point you towards documentation on how to do it
[16:22] <Rienzilla> mhall119: please do. I'd like to contribute something. However, I'm quite busy until may so I can't deliver anything before somewhere in june
[16:22] <Rienzilla> if that's early enough for you i'll give it a go
[16:22] <bfiller> mhall119, Rienzilla : I think it just runs the specific configurations that we support, currently google
[16:23] <bfiller> renato can comment on that
[16:23] <Rienzilla> it should be fairly straightforward... google uses the exact same protocols right?
[16:31] <sergiusens> Rienzilla: look at this for clues http://notyetthere.org/syncing-ubuntu-touch-with-owncloud-or-any-carddav-server/
[17:10] <ogra_> oh, wheee !
[17:10] <ogra_> mowing the lawn helped my phone ...
[17:10]  * ogra_ sees it getting a GPS fix for the first time ever 
[17:10] <popey> hah
[18:15] <davmor2> ogra_: see I stand my phone by the window for 20 minutes and that is enough for gps to work, but I also found out that the gps works from my seat which is even better :)
[20:43] <thomi> Does anyone know how to prevent nautilus from going crazy and opening ~ 20 windows when I plug in the mako?
[20:51] <dobey> thomi: doesn't happen here when i plug in my n7
[20:52] <dobey> thomi: do you have auto mount settings set to open the file manager?
[20:52] <thomi> dobey: yes, I believe that's the default, and I haven't changed them
[20:52] <dobey> thomi: System Settings -> Details -> Removable Media -> [] Never prompt or start programs on media installation
[20:53] <thomi> dobey: thanks, I'll try that
[20:53] <dobey> thomi: best checkbox ever :)
[20:53] <daker> dobey: got the SIM working :)
[20:54] <dobey> daker: nice. i have absolutely no technical knowledge of why it would or wouldn't work, though :)
[20:55] <daker> i needed to unlock it from the a menu item in the network indicator :)
[20:55] <dobey> heh
[20:55] <daker> once done it should work out of the box :)
[20:55] <dobey> i'll see how well it works on my shiny new n5 when it gets here
[20:57] <dobey> i wonder if i should set up my own internal images server though
[20:59] <dobey> hopefully it will at least be fast on the n5, even if everything doesn't work
[21:43] <slipsnode> !devices
[21:43] <slipsnode> thanks bot :)
[21:44] <popey> ☻
[22:29] <bact> is ubuntu touch available for my nokia 3310?
[22:38] <t1mp> !devices | bact
[22:39] <t1mp> heh :) nokia 3310