[00:01] time for an early one [00:01] nn all :) [00:07] lol http://www.avclub.com/article/hbo-gos-new-ads-capture-awkwardness-watching-hbo-y-203710 [04:28] get [04:28] hey [06:03] hello all [06:05] möh [06:06] hey [06:06] hows it going guys [06:07] not 2 bad mapp you? [06:08] not bad just watching final bit of tv before bed [06:08] then il flick on the usual tv eps thati fall asleep to..2 broke girls..mom..the millers..seen em all soo many times:D [06:46] Laney: you know pbuilder-dist a bit I believe? Is there an easy way to run some set of scripted commands in the pbuilder after doing a "pbuilder-dist login"? [06:46] popey: yes, there are hoook scripts for pbuilder [06:47] popey: check out the manpage (pbuilder) and /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples [06:47] F

is executed just before [06:47] user logs in, or program starts executing, after chroot is [06:47] created in --login or --execute target. [06:59] hmmm [07:00] huh, i was looking at the pbuilder-dist man page.. thanks [07:05] Morning all [07:07] howdy diplo [07:23] Moaning [07:26] Huomenta :) [07:27] morning boys and girls. [07:29] * smittix yawns [07:32] hihi [07:32] Woken up with a cracking headache this morning. urgh [07:37] bah, smittix [08:10] www.tomshardware.com/news/oneplus-android-smartphone-google-cyanogenmod,26610.html === bashrc_ is now known as bashrc [08:40] popey: that looks interesting... [08:48] $300...so that's £450? :-S [08:49] Plus vat [08:50] Actually, at the bottom the stat €269 and €299. Not *that* bad. Still more than I can afford, mind you. [08:50] "...they state..." [10:07] I really moved to the UK and want to connect my TV (analog) and I assume I need a coax-cable (I asked too many people in the UK that didn't know what that is). On amazon.co.uk I see most cables are male-male, but I assume I need a male-female, right? Just connecting the TV to the analog TV port in my room. [10:08] wasn't analog TV discontinued in the UK? [10:08] Everything should be DVB now? [10:08] ah really? so no more coax cables? [10:09] MartijnVdS: Analog has been, but even digital tv still uses teh same analog tv ariel [10:09] DJones: yes, but he specifically asked "analog"? [10:10] Can I get free TV on my Samsung UE40F6200 from NL? It supports DVB-T, but I don't know what that means. I need to get a device that can pick up aerial messages from the air? [10:12] DVB-T is what we use, yes [10:13] ujjain2: If a property has a tv ariel, they are normally a coax cable from the ariel into the house with a male connector to plug into the tv's ariel socket, the same ariel should feed both analog and digital signals [10:13] assuming it points to a digital terrestrial capable transmitter.. [10:14] You would hope so, is there anywhere thats not getting digital tv now, I thought the changeover had been completed [10:14] yes, changeover is complete [10:14] what was that website which lists which transmitter you're pointing at? [10:15] wolfbane! [10:15] found it via my old dvb blog post [10:15] ujjain2: www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe [10:15] DJones, the property has a tv ariel yes. [10:15] so that's male-female? [10:15] stuick your postcode in that, and it should help you find out (with the compass direction) which transmitter you're pointing at [10:16] the UHF port is female, [10:17] ujjain2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_aerial_plug [10:18] ujjain2: Most older properties just have a cable with a male connector at the end to plug into the tv (the other end just goes straight to the ariel), newer properties/flats etc could well have a wall mounted socket that you'd need to plug a short coax cable into, I guess that would just depend on whether the fitter used a male or female wall socket as to which cable you'd need though [10:18] aerial plug, antenna cable, coax cable, many terms, but I will just look at the plug and tv I guess, to see if it's male/female when I'm home [10:18] awwwww, no Unity Webplayer for Linux? [10:18] ah right, I understand. [10:19] Myrtti: sadly not [10:19] no Flappy48 then [10:19] :-( [10:19] indeed [10:19] that is the only use I've had for it ever [10:21] anyone point me to good info about generating a csr file with a subject alternative name? [10:24] foobarry: you generate a CSR normally, then select the SANs on the signing end I think [10:25] apparently not always [10:25] foobarry: http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/subjectAltName [10:25] foobarry: that explains how to do it using an OpenSSL config file [10:27] ta [10:28] we use an openssl config to read it from an env var [10:29] subjectAltName=${ENV::ALTNAME} [10:29] then call "ALTNAME='DNS:foo.bar.com, DNS: foo2.bar.com' openssl whatever" [10:30] directhex: oh that's an awesome idea [10:31] see also passing in HOST via commonName_default = $ENV::HOST [10:48] altname is the website address only? [10:48] doesn't include the hostname too [10:49] foobarry: if you look at the cacert howto page, it seems they don't set a CN, but it's still present in the CSR [10:50] It lists commands that let you list the contents of the CSR [10:50] foobarry, altname is a comma-and-space separated list of "DNS:somehost" entries [10:51] It seems like you need commonName = hostname *and* also add that hostname in the altName list [10:51] foobarry, it is *SSL library implementation specific* as to whether cn= is considered when altname is also present [10:51] :S [10:51] iirc openssl does not, gnutls does [10:51] (safest to include it) [10:51] (assuming you need it) [10:52] * awilkins wants to smash Windows 2k12 server into a billion tiny pieces with a toffee hammer [10:52] * dwatkins hands awilkins an installation DVD [10:52] windows server 2012. because touchscreens! :D [10:53] It takes _4 minutes_ to unpack a 200MB archive [10:53] Same archive on my Linux desktop - 1.2s [10:53] * Myrtti is trying to allocate UK bank holidays into her vacation calendar [10:53] I have no idea what our IT department have done to it [10:53] meh. [10:53] Have finally got an Apache Solr server running on it [10:54] The dashboard doesn't work, and beacuse I can't get to port 8080 on this server [10:54] I have to use the local instance of IE [10:54] Not sure if the dashboard not working is because of IE, so using IE to download Firefox [10:54] IE keeps crashing at 99% [10:54] * awilkins is feeling murderous [10:55] Myrtti, https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays/england-and-wales.ics [10:55] directhex: yeah, but the problem is that I have to fill out which days I'd like to take off into this Googly Spreadsheet... [10:55] so no automation for Myrttis [10:57] Also, clicking around on realllly slow desktop UI via RDP when I could just be TYPING COMMANDS is driving me cuckoo [10:57] does alt_names require IPs too? [10:57] * awilkins watches IE stop at 98% download again [10:58] awilkins: I feel your pain [10:58] foobarry, no. altname is just a list of valid hostnames for which the server connection is valid [10:58] I have to use virtual machines a lot, it's painful to have to wait to open menus [10:58] ok , cheers [10:58] foobarry, e.g. if you ever try to go to "https://XYZ", every possible value for XYZ needs to be listed, but nothing else === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [11:01] thx. i am slightly confused because there's an F5 load balancer in the process [11:04] I thought the trend now was to use hostnames, since IP addresses might change even if they're set by MAC address on the DHCP server etc. [11:06] agree [11:07] some firewalls insist on IP addresses for whitelisting, but that's just not practical anymore, especially as many people use hosting services where a single IP address might be shared between multiple customers === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [11:16] How can I install Ubuntu on a USB. Really installing it, not like "Universal USB Installer". If I use that, I can't update it, etc. It isn't a real installing. [11:17] I have installed Ubuntu normally on a USB, but than de bios can't use it. [11:19] i have done this a few times [11:19] boot from an ubuntu iso on one usb stick, insert another, and install onto it [11:19] the key is to make sure the usb device is set as where the installer puts grub [11:19] if you dont do that it wont be bootable [11:19] Ubuntu made on my laptop a /boot/efi fat [11:20] I think that for the fast load think [11:32] Wobbo: EFI only understands (a subset of) FAT [11:44] hmm, it's a little offtopic today, but any suggestions on a modern router to use for my friends home web design business setup. he's got 3 servers and 8 pc's, want to do a nice setup with dmz setup as he hosts client facing stuff off his home servers, [11:45] NET||abuse: Routerboard/Mikrotik? [11:45] and he's looking to do some cloud hosted production work, but ultimately justto make sure he has a decently flexible solutoin [11:46] NET||abuse: Really, check out the Routerboard stuff :) [11:46] will do :) ok. [11:48] hmm, looks like the basic option of the R750UP is available to his local supplier [11:51] MartijnVdS: what's the advantage of this router? [11:52] why this over others? [11:52] isthe os particularly well featured? [11:52] or is a little embeded linux/bsd box? [11:53] NET||abuse: it's got Linux embedded, and the company makes a whole range of good but cheap routers etc. [11:53] pretty cool. [11:54] NET||abuse: also, they make the tiny wifi APs and big lots-of-port routers and switches [11:54] and their software/UI is great [11:56] definately a plus on the UI side, he's no need for wifi, just need flexible hardwire router [11:57] NET||abuse: they also have those [11:57] he's got a switch with 4 ip's from his ip, so he just needs to mount up 2 ip's from his connection, and assign one port as a dmz for his servers [11:57] umm, from his ISP :P [11:57] finding my keyboard setup a bit stupid today. [11:57] i'm slouching , that's why. [11:57] NET||abuse: Yeah, get the RB750 (GL if you need gigabit) [11:58] NET||abuse: they also list measured throughput rates on the product pages [11:58] can he hook a gigbit 8port switch off one port and have that as his dmz ?maybe do passthrough on 2 or 3 ip's from his ISP's connection? [11:59] yes, should be possible === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:10] NET||abuse: sounds like something that might be best done with VLANs [12:11] also, for anyone who wants to learn more, here's a set of videos with free networking training: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmdYg02XJt6QRQfYjyQcMPfS3mrSnFbRC [12:11] MartijnVdS: I love routerboards [12:12] MartijnVdS: I also love that the admin console while being windows-only runs without issue in wine [12:12] i'm out of contract on my broadband..whats the cheapest deals out there? [12:12] the webadmin on routerboards is a bit of a mess, however [12:13] depends what you want in terms of speed, bandwidth cap, static IP etc., foobarry [12:13] I've got sky [12:13] 80Mbps/20Mbps+static IP [12:14] diddledan: the admin console is a fine webapp too [12:14] i want cheap [12:14] no static ip [12:14] nothing fancy [12:14] foobarry: ADSL or FTTC? [12:14] foobarry: cheap as a cheap thing with a dent in the side is plusnet [12:15] adsl [12:15] plusnet cheaper than taltalk? [12:15] I'm about to switch to PlusNet for my FTTC connection, as they cost the same as my current ISP (IDNet) but don't cap. [12:15] talktalk have lots of network issues where I live. [12:15] i don't use much internet at home [12:15] i'd like to ditch the phone line if poss but prob unlikely [12:16] i prob pay around 22.50 per month atm for phone+bband [12:16] http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/phones/cheap-broadband has a few deals and some useful info on it [12:16] good idea [12:17] I'm wary of talktalk and BT because of problems I've had with them in the past, but I hear good things about PlusNet. [12:21] dwatkins: how much for the plusnet package? [12:21] foobarry: I'm going for fibre broadband, so it'll be more expensive than just ADSL [12:22] but no phone req'd? [12:22] their prices are on here, though: http://www.plus.net/home-broadband/ [12:22] oh, you need a phone with any such connection [12:22] sometimes line rental is included, often not [12:23] you can pay line rental via your ISP, too, if you want [12:23] virgin don't demand it for fibre [12:23] often it's cheaper if you pay up-front for a year's line rental [12:23] ah yes, but then the phone is free because you already have Virgin's hardware (i.e. coax) installed, iirc [12:23] I used to have phone, TV and internet with Virgin. [12:23] "free" [12:24] its a swindle :( [12:24] indeed, "Free" as in "the price is included in that of the other service{s}. [12:24] " [12:24] ah yes, PlusNet's page has two tabs, one with and one without line rental [12:28] plusnet = 131.88 line rental for 1 yr + £2 pm broadband [12:29] talktalk = 126 line rental (next few days only) and 3.50/month bb [12:32] foobarry: you may also want to compare the frequency of outages, e.g. http://www.talktalk.co.uk/servicestatus/ vs http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2 [12:36] I've used windows server for about 10 seconds today, and I already want to smash it with a hammer... sound familiar? [12:41] talktalk offering me £126 annual rental and monthly 2.25 recurring === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:38] for anyone who missed my lovely snaps [13:38] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zls2rg6aokducef/eMeFTzT9nf [13:38] there's me coming into land over Guernsey and a couple of the neighbouring islands [13:54] * awilkins is causing severe consternation to a Win2k12 server by .. asking it to do stuff [13:57] awilkins: see that's what you're doing wrong [13:58] Have now got to the point where I can actually stuff documents into a Solr server with Nutch [14:05] Now have to contend with fact that these pages are complete cack [14:50] sounds like something it doesn't like [14:50] my Win2k3 server is slow, but that's because it's running on an ancient vmware 2.0 server with a 2.6 GHz core2duo [14:51] if I could work out how to get vmware ESXI to run, I'd use that. It seems you need to install their management system on Windows which presents a webserver, so I'll need at least one Windows virtual machine. [14:52] at least vmware 2.0 has a web-console by default (although it requires IE, which I need a virtual machine for) [15:11] ah yes the silly activex control for viewing? [15:20] https://www.dropbox.com/s/4pnned647wmdp44/win8.png [15:43] well lol my referred order went through..and i made a new one after itsaid referred argh === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:46] anyone know how to boot iso files using grub 2 [15:48] this is to do an update when you don't have a USB flash drive or spare DVD to burn i take it? [16:10] Hrm, dist-upgrading to trusty doesn't seem to have given me any cool desktop wallpapers [16:11] hm [16:11] E: Invalid operation do-release-upgrade [16:11] thats all i get [16:15] mapp: what are you trying to do? [16:16] it's do-release-upgrade not apt-get do-release-upgrade [16:18] oh duh [16:18] silly me [16:19] thanks;) [18:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr9evVbg2ZY [18:49] very nice tune [18:50] heard iton BBC 6 Music in a burger place in Brighton this weekend [18:53] daftykins: I love the description on the website of one of the tracks: "gorgeous and woozy piano-strewn opener Out of the Woodwork" [18:54] :D [19:05] hai [19:05] should i upgrade to 14.04 now then, hmm im just worried it might lock me out if i do it remotely:D [19:07] i personally think upgrades are a joke best avoided :) [19:08] what u on [19:09] lol [19:09] tea currently [19:09] i mean ubuntu rls [19:09] aaah [19:09] amusingly my servers are still on 10.04.4 so before next year comes around i have some work to do [19:09] thats kinda old now [19:09] :D [19:10] yep but it was LTS [19:10] which meant i have been able to nurture it for many moons [19:10] i still need to solve this pesky issue with http / and that rubbish thing that ruined my apache [19:11] but it's been weeks! :) [19:12] correct [19:12] have a look at what you've got in sites-available and sites-enabled in /etc/apache2/ [19:12] and im stuck [19:12] :( [19:12] I installed from source..for apache..and it all worked ssl an all..then zetyal screwed it up [19:13] WAT [19:13] but now..it looks like zentyal isnt running ps aux | grep zentyal shows nothing [19:13] source on a packaged OS :( [19:13] ya [19:13] wanted to [19:13] :D [19:13] you sir have broken the #1 rule of fight club [19:13] lol [19:16] but yeah so my 14.04 server LTS upgrade plan would involve creating new VMs, then re-establishing packages and scp'ing content [19:16] then a port forward edit and all's good [19:17] looks like httpd.conf had the Listen 80 line removed..could zentyal have done something like that and made it a virtual host listenn on 80 by default [19:17] so where apache installed... you should still have sites-available and sites-enabled [19:18] you *really* need to look there first :) [19:18] apache is in /usr/local/apache/htdocs doc root [19:18] zentyal could've modified those [19:18] and /usr/local/apache/conf for copnf [19:18] ok [19:18] then conf./extras /httpd-vhost etc [19:18] what's in httpd-vhost/ ? [19:18] sec will pastebinit [19:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7316960/ [19:20] do you access your home box via http://IP/ ? [19:20] or a dyndns / proper domain? [19:21] either works [19:21] not for long [19:21] https://frogs.zapto.org or https://188.220.205.104 [19:21] why? [19:21] dyndns.org is no longer free [19:22] they're both working on that atm [19:22] argh no [19:22] yeah i need to sort out my noip [19:22] likewise, and my blog is on a dyndns.org address (although it's static) [19:22] but my stupid router's web form for dynamic DNS configuration is bugged so i have to factory reset to edit it again [19:22] =| [19:22] most routers I've looked at recently only have dyndns.org, sadly [19:22] hang on isnt my host a no-ip [19:22] hooray for tomato alternative firmware [19:22] mine can have custom additions by telnet'ing in [19:23] but it already has noip [19:23] er free noip accounts are .no-ip.biz [19:23] ]ah no its not..its a dyndns ive got a no-ip ac too [19:24] maps|wrk: well neither of those even point to your document root, so it must be getting configured somewhere else [19:24] yea [19:24] in httpd.conf [19:24] can you pastebin that? [19:24] but thats enabled two vhosts hasnt it? to garbage sites [19:24] yep [19:24] hang on zapto.org os no-ip.com thats staying free i assume? [19:24] love your friendly welcome message btw [19:25] hahahahaha [19:25] yea its static too..need to change it so it's dynamic..that was my old static bethere ip had for6yrs [19:25] and i stole that MOTD off an efnet irc server;p [19:25] D: [19:25] plaigirism [19:26] :D [19:26] oke [19:26] lets see [19:27] gotta be careful with messing with apache..else il be looked out of irc (qwebirc) and also shell (shellinabox) cant ssh in id get in trouble for using an app i dont need [19:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317005/ [19:27] could that httpd-vhosts be causing an issue? as it has 2 defined there, which as i say are just garbage entries [19:31] so what's the idea of what's wrong? because i saw that message from one of your addys so surely that's being served from .../htdocs/ ? [19:34] yea [19:34] but hang on [19:34] that was https:// it doesn't work on http:// non SSL and it used ti before I installeed zentyal [19:34] then spent ages removing it and still wondering whats happened;/ [19:34] the cert is also invalid, but I imagine you know that [19:34] you see anything there which would be stopping http:// port 80 [19:35] yea i know:) i generated it myself..i think you always get errors if its not signed by a 3rd party [19:35] maps|wrk: either the port isn't open/forwarded on the firewall, or there's no process listening on it. [19:36] when you start Apache, does it say there's a problem opening port 80 for listening? can you telnet to that port on the local network? [19:36] it did at one point./.but im not sure now ..i set apache to start at bootup and if i stop and start now i risk killing my connection and not being able to reconnect;p [19:37] the port's 100% definitely forwarded [19:37] lets see telnet [19:37] no need to reboot [19:37] mark@frogs:/usr/local/apache/conf$ telnet localhost 80 Trying 127.0.0.1... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused [19:37] ok, check the Apache log or restart the daemon [19:37] how can i check to see if somethings listening on port 80? netstat and something [19:37] lsof [19:38] you dont think it's anything to do with the err httpd-vhosts file [19:38] ah thanks [19:38] then grep 80? [19:38] hmmm, not sure as I think the syntax has changed since I last used it [19:39] look for a line like this: [19:39] apache2 693 www-data 3u IPv4 120878196 0t0 TCP *:http (LISTEN) [19:39] gives me a lot of results lsof [19:39] hm [19:39] *:http means it's listening on all interfaces (network connections incoming) for http, i.e. port 80 [19:39] http is port 80 as devined in /etc/services [19:39] *defined (haha) [19:40] httpd 3227 3251 apache rtd unknown /proc/3227/task/3251/root (readlink: Permission denied) [19:40] i see stuff like this..no mention of tcp.http [19:41] netstat -tuln is happy [19:42] yeah your config directive had :80 but not *:80 [19:43] the httpd.conf should have Listen 80 - isnt it? the vhosts had *:80 - should i rm the vhosts? they arent used [19:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317114/ error_log output started my machine at 16;19 - dont see any errors or anything about 80? [19:44] I think apache logs to /var/log/syslog when it starts [19:44] ah [19:44] my mistake :| [19:44] restart it with either "service apache2 restart" or "apachectl restart" [19:45] then check the most recent files in /var/log and /var/log/apache2 [19:45] but one more thing you see http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317005/ right httpd.conf - well it didnt have Listen 80 previously I just added it now -- [19:45] would that fix it? or shall i remove it..dont wanna restart apache and break everything [19:46] break what? [19:46] well stop apache starting on ssl even [19:46] you have a backup of your working config file, don't you? ;) [19:46] as i added Listen 80 to httpd.conf - [19:46] yea [19:46] but [19:46] if it doesnt start up again i cant get back on here!! [19:46] il have to wait till i go home to fix it if it didnt come back:P [19:46] hang on, how are you connected? [19:47] im connected through web browser using qwebirc and shellinabox [19:47] ah ok [19:47] ssh is running..but i wont be able to connect to it, cant use any non work apps [19:48] so question is would Listen 80 break it:D [19:48] find out what external ports you can access [19:48] if you want to use ssh, there's probably a way, e.g. have ssh listen on port 443 [19:48] but how would i connect..cant use putty [19:48] ah ok, that's between you and your employer [19:49] can you put apps onto a usb stick and run them? [19:49] nope [19:49] :( [19:49] I guess shellinabox is probably the simplest way, though [19:49] thats why im mtrying to make sure apache does come back [19:49] so, you need a separate entry in the sites-enabled directory for the port 80 webserver, or a second port to listen on (i.e. 80 as well as 443) [19:50] not sure how to have the same webserver listen via http and https at the same time, though [19:50] well, im not sure it worked before using the https config file in the conf/extras dir [19:50] but i noticed in the httpd.conf file (main config file) was no entry for listen 80 where there normally is by defualt..so figured it could be that [19:51] but then also what are these random odd vhosts entries [19:51] :D [19:51] did you follow a guide like this? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_howto.html [19:51] na [19:51] brb [19:52] hm [19:52] mark@frogs:/usr/local/apache/conf$ sudo /etc/init.d/apachectl restart [Wed Apr 23 20:51:46.116226 2014] [so:warn] [pid 4681:tid 3075208896] AH01574: module authz_core_module is already loaded, skipping [19:52] no errors about port 80 or unable to use port [19:52] copy the existing config, go home, read the guide, implement it :) [19:53] :) [19:53] to be honest, that's the easiest way, as your config might have some other thing that's causing a problem [19:53] yea [20:04] the problem I was having with installing ubuntu the other day turned out to be the fault of unetbootin [20:04] UEFI install? [20:04] trying to install off usb? [20:04] when I used the startup disk utility to make a bootable USB drive the installation just worked [20:05] ah, so mac? [20:05] yeah unetbootin is widely commented as borking for UEFI [20:05] ya whats all this UEFI daftykins heard it makes it hard to install other OSs [20:05] :) [20:05] it's BIOS' replacement [20:06] I don't think it's UEFI because the laptop is approximately 4 years old [20:06] oh ok so not a mac? [20:06] no a lenovo [20:06] ah well [20:06] unetbootin seems to cause more trouble here and there :) [20:06] maps|wrk: i'm just about to switch off my desktop and go cook so can't elaborate there right now i'm afraid! [20:07] in the past I found unetbootin to be more reliable than the startup disk creator, but things must have changed [20:07] ultimately it's the new tech to allow newer features along with being able to boot from GPT disks that are 3TB or larger etc. [20:07]