[00:01] <daftykins> time for an early one
[00:01] <daftykins> nn all :)
[00:07] <diddledan> lol http://www.avclub.com/article/hbo-gos-new-ads-capture-awkwardness-watching-hbo-y-203710
[04:28] <mapp> get
[04:28] <mapp> hey
[06:03] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:05] <Myrtti> möh
[06:06] <mapp> hey
[06:06] <mapp> hows it going guys
[06:07] <MooDoo> not 2 bad mapp you?
[06:08] <mapp> not bad just watching final bit of tv before bed
[06:08] <mapp> then il flick on the usual tv eps thati fall asleep to..2 broke girls..mom..the millers..seen em all soo many times:D
[06:46] <popey> Laney: you know pbuilder-dist a bit I believe? Is there an easy way to run some set of scripted commands in the pbuilder after doing a "pbuilder-dist <distro> <arch> login"?
[06:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: yes, there are hoook scripts for pbuilder
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> popey: check out the manpage (pbuilder) and /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples
[06:47] <MartijnVdS>               F<digit><digit><whatever-else-you-want> is executed just  before
[06:47] <MartijnVdS>               user  logs  in,  or  program  starts  executing, after chroot is
[06:47] <MartijnVdS>               created in --login or --execute target.
[06:59] <popey> hmmm
[07:00] <popey> huh, i was looking at the pbuilder-dist man page.. thanks
[07:05] <diplo> Morning all
[07:07] <MooDoo> howdy diplo
[07:23] <smittix> Moaning
[07:26] <jussi> Huomenta :)
[07:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:29]  * smittix yawns
[07:32] <dwatkins> hihi
[07:32] <smittix> Woken up with a cracking headache this morning. urgh
[07:37] <dwatkins> bah, smittix
[08:10] <popey> www.tomshardware.com/news/oneplus-android-smartphone-google-cyanogenmod,26610.html
[08:40] <jussi> popey: that looks interesting...
[08:48] <TwistedLucidity> $300...so that's £450? :-S
[08:49] <DJones> Plus vat
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> Actually, at the bottom the stat €269 and €299. Not *that* bad. Still more than I can afford, mind you.
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> "...they state..."
[10:07] <ujjain2> I really moved to the UK and want to connect my TV (analog) and I assume I need a coax-cable (I asked too many people in the UK that didn't know what that is). On amazon.co.uk I see most cables are male-male, but I assume I need a male-female, right? Just connecting the TV to the analog TV port in my room.
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> wasn't analog TV discontinued in the UK?
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> Everything should be DVB now?
[10:08] <ujjain2> ah really? so no more coax cables?
[10:09] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Analog has been, but even digital tv still uses teh same analog tv ariel
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> DJones: yes, but he specifically asked "analog"?
[10:10] <ujjain2> Can I get free TV on my Samsung UE40F6200 from NL? It supports DVB-T, but I don't know what that means. I need to get a device that can pick up aerial messages from the air?
[10:12] <popey> DVB-T is what we use, yes
[10:13] <DJones> ujjain2: If a property has a tv ariel, they are normally a coax cable from the ariel into the house with a male connector to plug into the tv's ariel socket, the same ariel should feed both analog and digital signals
[10:13] <popey> assuming it points to a digital terrestrial capable transmitter..
[10:14] <DJones> You would hope so, is there anywhere thats not getting digital tv now, I thought the changeover had been completed
[10:14] <popey> yes, changeover is complete
[10:14] <popey> what was that website which lists which transmitter you're pointing at?
[10:15] <popey> wolfbane!
[10:15] <popey> found it via my old dvb blog post
[10:15] <popey> ujjain2: www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe
[10:15] <ujjain2> DJones, the property has a tv ariel yes.
[10:15] <ujjain2> so that's male-female?
[10:15] <popey> stuick your postcode in that, and it should help you find out (with the compass direction) which transmitter you're pointing at
[10:16] <popey> the UHF port is female,
[10:17] <popey> ujjain2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_aerial_plug
[10:18] <DJones> ujjain2: Most older properties just have a cable with a male connector at the end to plug into the tv (the other end just goes straight to the ariel), newer properties/flats etc could well have a wall mounted socket that you'd need to plug a short coax cable into, I guess that would just depend on whether the fitter used a male or female wall socket as to which cable you'd need though
[10:18] <ujjain2> aerial plug, antenna cable, coax cable, many terms, but I will just look at the plug and tv I guess, to see if it's male/female when I'm home
[10:18] <Myrtti> awwwww, no Unity Webplayer for Linux?
[10:18] <ujjain2> ah right, I understand.
[10:19] <popey> Myrtti: sadly not
[10:19] <Myrtti> no Flappy48 then
[10:19] <Myrtti> :-(
[10:19] <popey> indeed
[10:19] <popey> that is the only use I've had for it ever
[10:21] <foobarry> anyone point me to good info about generating a csr file with a subject alternative name?
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you generate a CSR normally, then select the SANs on the signing end I think
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> apparently not always
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/subjectAltName
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that explains how to do it using an OpenSSL config file
[10:27] <foobarry> ta
[10:28] <directhex> we use an openssl config to read it from an env var
[10:29] <directhex> subjectAltName=${ENV::ALTNAME}
[10:29] <directhex> then call "ALTNAME='DNS:foo.bar.com, DNS: foo2.bar.com' openssl whatever"
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> directhex: oh that's an awesome idea
[10:31] <directhex> see also passing in HOST via commonName_default              = $ENV::HOST
[10:48] <foobarry> altname is the website address only?
[10:48] <foobarry> doesn't include the hostname too
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: if you look at the cacert howto page, it seems they don't set a CN, but it's still present in the CSR
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> It lists commands that let you list the contents of the CSR
[10:50] <directhex> foobarry, altname is a comma-and-space separated list of "DNS:somehost" entries
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> It seems like you need commonName = hostname *and* also add that hostname in the altName list
[10:51] <directhex> foobarry, it is *SSL library implementation specific* as to whether cn= is considered when altname is also present
[10:51] <foobarry> :S
[10:51] <directhex> iirc openssl does not, gnutls does
[10:51] <directhex> (safest to include it)
[10:51] <directhex> (assuming you need it)
[10:52]  * awilkins wants to smash Windows 2k12 server into a billion tiny pieces with a toffee hammer
[10:52]  * dwatkins hands awilkins an installation DVD
[10:52] <directhex> windows server 2012. because touchscreens! :D
[10:53] <awilkins> It takes _4 minutes_ to unpack a 200MB archive
[10:53] <awilkins> Same archive on my Linux desktop - 1.2s
[10:53]  * Myrtti is trying to allocate UK bank holidays into her vacation calendar
[10:53] <awilkins> I have no idea what our IT department have done to it
[10:53] <Myrtti> meh.
[10:53] <awilkins> Have finally got an Apache Solr server running on it
[10:54] <awilkins> The dashboard doesn't work, and beacuse I can't get to port 8080 on this server
[10:54] <awilkins> I have to use the local instance of IE
[10:54] <awilkins> Not sure if the dashboard not working is because of IE, so using IE to download Firefox
[10:54] <awilkins> IE keeps crashing at 99%
[10:54]  * awilkins is feeling murderous
[10:55] <directhex> Myrtti, https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays/england-and-wales.ics
[10:55] <Myrtti> directhex: yeah, but the problem is that I have to fill out which days I'd like to take off into this Googly Spreadsheet...
[10:55] <Myrtti> so no automation for Myrttis
[10:57] <awilkins> Also, clicking around on realllly slow desktop UI via RDP when I could just be TYPING COMMANDS is driving me cuckoo
[10:57] <foobarry> does alt_names require IPs too?
[10:57]  * awilkins watches IE stop at 98% download again
[10:58] <dwatkins> awilkins: I feel your pain
[10:58] <directhex> foobarry, no. altname is just a list of valid hostnames for which the server connection is valid
[10:58] <dwatkins> I have to use virtual machines a lot, it's painful to have to wait to open menus
[10:58] <foobarry> ok , cheers
[10:58] <directhex> foobarry, e.g. if you ever try to go to "https://XYZ", every possible value for XYZ needs to be listed, but nothing else
[11:01] <foobarry> thx. i am slightly confused because there's an F5 load balancer in the process
[11:04] <dwatkins> I thought the trend now was to use hostnames, since IP addresses might change even if they're set by MAC address on the DHCP server etc.
[11:06] <foobarry> agree
[11:07] <dwatkins> some firewalls insist on IP addresses for whitelisting, but that's just not practical anymore, especially as many people use hosting services where a single IP address might be shared between multiple customers
[11:16] <Wobbo> How can I install Ubuntu on a USB. Really installing it, not like "Universal USB Installer". If I use that, I can't update it, etc. It isn't a real installing.
[11:17] <Wobbo> I have installed Ubuntu normally on a USB, but than de bios can't use it.
[11:19] <popey> i have done this a few times
[11:19] <popey> boot from an ubuntu iso on one usb stick, insert another, and install onto it
[11:19] <popey> the key is to make sure the usb device is set as where the installer puts grub
[11:19] <popey> if you dont do that it wont be bootable
[11:19] <Wobbo> Ubuntu made on my laptop a /boot/efi fat
[11:20] <Wobbo> I think that for the fast load think
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> Wobbo: EFI only understands (a subset of) FAT
[11:44] <NET||abuse> hmm, it's a little offtopic today, but any suggestions on a modern router to use for my friends home web design business setup. he's got 3 servers and 8 pc's, want to do a nice setup with dmz setup as he hosts client facing stuff off his home servers,
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: Routerboard/Mikrotik?
[11:45] <NET||abuse> and he's looking to do some cloud hosted production work, but ultimately justto make sure he has a decently flexible solutoin
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: Really, check out the Routerboard stuff :)
[11:46] <NET||abuse> will do :) ok.
[11:48] <NET||abuse> hmm, looks like the basic option of the R750UP is available to his local supplier
[11:51] <NET||abuse> MartijnVdS: what's the advantage of this router?
[11:52] <NET||abuse> why this over others?
[11:52] <NET||abuse> isthe os particularly well featured?
[11:52] <NET||abuse> or is a little embeded linux/bsd box?
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: it's got Linux embedded, and the company makes a whole range of good but cheap routers etc.
[11:53] <NET||abuse> pretty cool.
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: also, they make the tiny wifi APs and big lots-of-port routers and switches
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> and their software/UI is great
[11:56] <NET||abuse> definately a plus on the UI side, he's no need for wifi, just need flexible hardwire router
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: they also have those
[11:57] <NET||abuse> he's got a switch with 4 ip's from his ip, so he just needs to mount up 2 ip's from his connection, and assign one port as a dmz for his servers
[11:57] <NET||abuse> umm, from his ISP :P
[11:57] <NET||abuse> finding my keyboard setup a bit stupid today.
[11:57] <NET||abuse> i'm slouching , that's why.
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: Yeah, get the RB750 (GL if you need gigabit)
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> NET||abuse: they also list measured throughput rates on the product pages
[11:58] <NET||abuse> can he hook a gigbit 8port switch off one port and have that as his dmz ?maybe do passthrough on 2 or 3 ip's from his ISP's connection?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> yes, should be possible
[12:10] <dwatkins> NET||abuse: sounds like something that might be best done with VLANs
[12:11] <dwatkins> also, for anyone who wants to learn more, here's a set of videos with free networking training: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmdYg02XJt6QRQfYjyQcMPfS3mrSnFbRC
[12:11] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I love routerboards
[12:12] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I also love that the admin console while being windows-only runs without issue in wine
[12:12] <foobarry> i'm out of contract on my broadband..whats the cheapest deals out there?
[12:12] <diddledan> the webadmin on routerboards is a bit of a mess, however
[12:13] <dwatkins> depends what you want in terms of speed, bandwidth cap, static IP etc., foobarry
[12:13] <diddledan> I've got sky
[12:13] <diddledan> 80Mbps/20Mbps+static IP
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: the admin console is a fine webapp too
[12:14] <foobarry> i want cheap
[12:14] <foobarry> no static ip
[12:14] <foobarry> nothing fancy
[12:14] <dwatkins> foobarry: ADSL or FTTC?
[12:14] <diddledan> foobarry: cheap as a cheap thing with a dent in the side is plusnet
[12:15] <foobarry> adsl
[12:15] <foobarry> plusnet cheaper than taltalk?
[12:15] <dwatkins> I'm about to switch to PlusNet for my FTTC connection, as they cost the same as my current ISP (IDNet) but don't cap.
[12:15] <dwatkins> talktalk have lots of network issues where I live.
[12:15] <foobarry> i don't use much internet at home
[12:15] <foobarry> i'd like to ditch the phone line if poss but prob unlikely
[12:16] <foobarry> i prob pay around 22.50 per month atm for phone+bband
[12:16] <dwatkins> http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/phones/cheap-broadband has a few deals and some useful info on it
[12:16] <foobarry> good idea
[12:17] <dwatkins> I'm wary of talktalk and BT because of problems I've had with them in the past, but I hear good things about PlusNet.
[12:21] <foobarry> dwatkins: how much for the plusnet package?
[12:21] <dwatkins> foobarry: I'm going for fibre broadband, so it'll be more expensive than just ADSL
[12:22] <foobarry> but no phone req'd?
[12:22] <dwatkins> their prices are on here, though: http://www.plus.net/home-broadband/
[12:22] <dwatkins> oh, you need a phone with any such connection
[12:22] <dwatkins> sometimes line rental is included, often not
[12:23] <dwatkins> you can pay line rental via your ISP, too, if you want
[12:23] <foobarry> virgin don't demand it for fibre
[12:23] <dwatkins> often it's cheaper if you pay up-front for a year's line rental
[12:23] <dwatkins> ah yes, but then the phone is free because you already have Virgin's hardware (i.e. coax) installed, iirc
[12:23] <dwatkins> I used to have phone, TV and internet with Virgin.
[12:23] <foobarry> "free"
[12:24] <foobarry> its a swindle :(
[12:24] <dwatkins> indeed, "Free" as in "the price is included in that of the other service{s}.
[12:24] <dwatkins> "
[12:24] <dwatkins> ah yes, PlusNet's page has two tabs, one with and one without line rental
[12:28] <foobarry> plusnet = 131.88 line rental for 1 yr + £2 pm broadband
[12:29] <foobarry> talktalk = 126 line rental (next few days only) and 3.50/month bb
[12:32] <dwatkins> foobarry: you may also want to compare the frequency of outages, e.g. http://www.talktalk.co.uk/servicestatus/ vs http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2
[12:36] <dwatkins> I've used windows server for about 10 seconds today, and I already want to smash it with a hammer... sound familiar?
[12:41] <foobarry> talktalk offering me £126 annual rental and monthly 2.25 recurring
[13:38] <daftykins> for anyone who missed my lovely snaps
[13:38] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zls2rg6aokducef/eMeFTzT9nf
[13:38] <daftykins> there's me coming into land over Guernsey and a couple of the neighbouring islands
[13:54]  * awilkins is causing severe consternation to a Win2k12 server by .. asking it to do stuff
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: see that's what you're doing wrong
[13:58] <awilkins> Have now got to the point where I can actually stuff documents into a Solr server with Nutch
[14:05] <awilkins> Now have to contend with fact that these pages are complete cack
[14:50] <dwatkins> sounds like something it doesn't like
[14:50] <dwatkins> my Win2k3 server is slow, but that's because it's running on an ancient vmware 2.0 server with a 2.6 GHz core2duo
[14:51] <dwatkins> if I could work out how to get vmware ESXI to run, I'd use that. It seems you need to install their management system on Windows which presents a webserver, so I'll need at least one Windows virtual machine.
[14:52] <dwatkins> at least vmware 2.0 has a web-console by default (although it requires IE, which I need a virtual machine for)
[15:11] <daftykins> ah yes the silly activex control for viewing?
[15:20] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4pnned647wmdp44/win8.png
[15:43] <mapp> well lol my referred order went through..and i made a new one after itsaid referred argh
[15:46] <lazarus_> anyone know how to boot iso files using grub 2
[15:48] <daftykins> this is to do an update when you don't have a USB flash drive or spare DVD to burn i take it?
[16:10] <BigRedS> Hrm, dist-upgrading to trusty doesn't seem to have given me any cool desktop wallpapers
[16:11] <mapp> hm
[16:11] <mapp> E: Invalid operation do-release-upgrade
[16:11] <mapp> thats all i get
[16:15] <davmor2> mapp: what are you trying to do?
[16:16] <Laney> it's do-release-upgrade not apt-get do-release-upgrade
[16:18] <mapp> oh duh
[16:18] <mapp> silly me
[16:19] <mapp> thanks;)
[18:49] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr9evVbg2ZY
[18:49] <daftykins> very nice tune
[18:50] <daftykins> heard iton BBC 6 Music in a burger place in Brighton this weekend
[18:53] <dwatkins> daftykins: I love the description on the website of one of the tracks: "gorgeous and woozy piano-strewn opener Out of the Woodwork"
[18:54] <daftykins> :D
[19:05] <maps|wrk> hai
[19:05] <maps|wrk> should i upgrade to 14.04 now then, hmm im just worried it might lock me out if i do it remotely:D
[19:07] <daftykins> i personally think upgrades are a joke best avoided :)
[19:08] <maps|wrk> what u on
[19:09] <daftykins> lol
[19:09] <daftykins> tea currently
[19:09] <maps|wrk> i mean ubuntu rls
[19:09] <daftykins> aaah
[19:09] <daftykins> amusingly my servers are still on 10.04.4 so before next year comes around i have some work to do
[19:09] <maps|wrk> thats kinda old now
[19:09] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:10] <daftykins> yep but it was LTS
[19:10] <daftykins> which meant i have been able to nurture it for many moons
[19:10] <maps|wrk> i still need to solve this pesky issue with http / and that rubbish thing that ruined my apache
[19:11] <daftykins> but it's been weeks! :)
[19:12] <maps|wrk> correct
[19:12] <daftykins> have a look at what you've got in sites-available and sites-enabled in /etc/apache2/
[19:12] <maps|wrk> and im stuck
[19:12] <maps|wrk> :(
[19:12] <maps|wrk> I installed from source..for apache..and it all worked ssl an all..then zetyal screwed it up
[19:13] <daftykins> WAT
[19:13] <maps|wrk> but now..it looks like zentyal isnt running ps aux | grep zentyal shows nothing
[19:13] <daftykins> source on a packaged OS :(
[19:13] <maps|wrk> ya
[19:13] <maps|wrk> wanted to
[19:13] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:13] <daftykins> you sir have broken the #1 rule of fight club
[19:13] <maps|wrk> lol
[19:16] <daftykins> but yeah so my 14.04 server LTS upgrade plan would involve creating new VMs, then re-establishing packages and scp'ing content
[19:16] <daftykins> then a port forward edit and all's good
[19:17] <maps|wrk> looks like httpd.conf had the Listen 80 line removed..could zentyal have done something like that and made it a virtual host listenn on 80 by default
[19:17] <daftykins> so where apache installed... you should still have sites-available and sites-enabled
[19:18] <daftykins> you *really* need to look there first :)
[19:18] <maps|wrk> apache is in /usr/local/apache/htdocs doc root
[19:18] <daftykins> zentyal could've modified those
[19:18] <maps|wrk> and /usr/local/apache/conf for copnf
[19:18] <daftykins> ok
[19:18] <maps|wrk> then conf./extras /httpd-vhost etc
[19:18] <daftykins> what's in httpd-vhost/ ?
[19:18] <maps|wrk> sec will pastebinit
[19:19] <maps|wrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7316960/
[19:20] <daftykins> do you access your home box via http://IP/ ?
[19:20] <daftykins> or a dyndns / proper domain?
[19:21] <maps|wrk> either works
[19:21] <dwatkins> not for long
[19:21] <maps|wrk> https://frogs.zapto.org or https://188.220.205.104
[19:21] <maps|wrk> why?
[19:21] <dwatkins> dyndns.org is no longer free
[19:22] <maps|wrk> they're both working on that atm
[19:22] <maps|wrk> argh no
[19:22] <daftykins> yeah i need to sort out my noip
[19:22] <dwatkins> likewise, and my blog is on a dyndns.org address (although it's static)
[19:22] <daftykins> but my stupid router's web form for dynamic DNS configuration is bugged so i have to factory reset to edit it again
[19:22] <daftykins> =|
[19:22] <dwatkins> most routers I've looked at recently only have dyndns.org, sadly
[19:22] <maps|wrk> hang on isnt my host a no-ip
[19:22] <dwatkins> hooray for tomato alternative firmware
[19:22] <daftykins> mine can have custom additions by telnet'ing in
[19:23] <daftykins> but it already has noip
[19:23] <daftykins> er free noip accounts are .no-ip.biz
[19:23] <maps|wrk> ]ah no its not..its a dyndns ive got a no-ip ac too
[19:24] <daftykins> maps|wrk: well neither of those even point to your document root, so it must be getting configured somewhere else
[19:24] <maps|wrk> yea
[19:24] <maps|wrk> in httpd.conf
[19:24] <daftykins> can you pastebin that?
[19:24] <maps|wrk> but thats enabled two vhosts hasnt it? to garbage sites
[19:24] <maps|wrk> yep
[19:24] <maps|wrk> hang on zapto.org os no-ip.com thats staying free i assume?
[19:24] <daftykins> love your friendly welcome message btw
[19:25] <maps|wrk> hahahahaha
[19:25] <maps|wrk> yea its static too..need to change it so it's dynamic..that was my old static bethere ip had for6yrs
[19:25] <maps|wrk> and i stole that MOTD off an efnet irc server;p
[19:25] <daftykins> D:
[19:25] <daftykins> plaigirism
[19:26] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:26] <maps|wrk> oke
[19:26] <maps|wrk> lets see
[19:27] <maps|wrk> gotta be careful with messing with apache..else il be looked out of irc (qwebirc) and also shell (shellinabox) cant ssh in id get in trouble for using an app i dont need
[19:27] <maps|wrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317005/
[19:27] <maps|wrk> could that httpd-vhosts be causing an issue? as it has 2 defined there, which as i say are just garbage entries
[19:31] <daftykins> so what's the idea of what's wrong? because i saw that message from one of your addys so surely that's being served from .../htdocs/ ?
[19:34] <maps|wrk> yea
[19:34] <maps|wrk> but hang on
[19:34] <maps|wrk> that was https:// it doesn't work on http:// non SSL and it used ti before I installeed zentyal
[19:34] <maps|wrk> then spent ages removing it and still wondering whats happened;/
[19:34] <dwatkins> the cert is also invalid, but I imagine you know that
[19:34] <maps|wrk> you see anything there which would be stopping http:// port 80
[19:35] <maps|wrk> yea i know:) i generated it myself..i think you always get errors if its not signed by a 3rd party
[19:35] <dwatkins> maps|wrk: either the port isn't open/forwarded on the firewall, or there's no process listening on it.
[19:36] <dwatkins> when you start Apache, does it say there's a problem opening port 80 for listening? can you telnet to that port on the local network?
[19:36] <maps|wrk> it did at one point./.but im not sure now ..i set apache to start at bootup and if i stop and start now i risk killing my connection and not being able to reconnect;p
[19:37] <maps|wrk> the port's 100% definitely forwarded
[19:37] <maps|wrk> lets see telnet
[19:37] <dwatkins> no need to reboot
[19:37] <maps|wrk> mark@frogs:/usr/local/apache/conf$ telnet localhost 80    Trying 127.0.0.1...   telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[19:37] <dwatkins> ok, check the Apache log or restart the daemon
[19:37] <maps|wrk> how can i check to see if somethings listening on port 80? netstat and something
[19:37] <dwatkins> lsof
[19:38] <maps|wrk> you dont think it's anything to do with the err httpd-vhosts file
[19:38] <maps|wrk> ah thanks
[19:38] <maps|wrk> then grep 80?
[19:38] <dwatkins> hmmm, not sure as I think the syntax has changed since I last used it
[19:39] <dwatkins> look for a line like this:
[19:39] <dwatkins> apache2     693      www-data    3u     IPv4  120878196        0t0        TCP *:http (LISTEN)
[19:39] <maps|wrk> gives me a lot of results lsof
[19:39] <maps|wrk> hm
[19:39] <dwatkins> *:http means it's listening on all interfaces (network connections incoming) for http, i.e. port 80
[19:39] <dwatkins> http is port 80 as devined in /etc/services
[19:39] <dwatkins> *defined (haha)
[19:40] <maps|wrk> httpd     3227 3251      apache  rtd   unknown                         /proc/3227/task/3251/root (readlink: Permission denied)
[19:40] <maps|wrk> i see stuff like this..no mention of tcp.http
[19:41] <daftykins> netstat -tuln is happy
[19:42] <daftykins> yeah your config directive had :80 but not *:80
[19:43] <maps|wrk> the httpd.conf should have Listen 80 - isnt it? the vhosts had *:80 - should i rm the vhosts? they arent used
[19:43] <maps|wrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317114/ error_log output started my machine at 16;19 - dont see any errors or anything about 80?
[19:44] <dwatkins> I think apache logs to /var/log/syslog when it starts
[19:44] <maps|wrk> ah
[19:44] <maps|wrk> my mistake :|
[19:44] <dwatkins> restart it with either "service apache2 restart" or "apachectl restart"
[19:45] <dwatkins> then check the most recent files in /var/log and /var/log/apache2
[19:45] <maps|wrk> but one more thing you see http://paste.ubuntu.com/7317005/ right httpd.conf - well it didnt have Listen 80 previously I just added it now --
[19:45] <maps|wrk> would that fix it? or shall i remove it..dont wanna restart apache and break everything
[19:46] <dwatkins> break what?
[19:46] <maps|wrk> well stop apache starting on ssl even
[19:46] <dwatkins> you have a backup of your working config file, don't you? ;)
[19:46] <maps|wrk> as i added Listen 80 to httpd.conf -
[19:46] <maps|wrk> yea
[19:46] <maps|wrk> but
[19:46] <maps|wrk> if it doesnt start up again i cant get back on here!!
[19:46] <maps|wrk> il have to wait till i go home to fix it if it didnt come back:P
[19:46] <dwatkins> hang on, how are you connected?
[19:47] <maps|wrk> im connected through web browser using qwebirc and shellinabox
[19:47] <dwatkins> ah ok
[19:47] <maps|wrk> ssh is running..but i wont be able to connect to it, cant use any non work apps
[19:48] <maps|wrk> so question is would Listen 80 break it:D
[19:48] <dwatkins> find out what external ports you can access
[19:48] <dwatkins> if you want to use ssh, there's probably a way, e.g. have ssh listen on port 443
[19:48] <maps|wrk> but how would i connect..cant use putty
[19:48] <dwatkins> ah ok, that's between you and your employer
[19:49] <dwatkins> can you put apps onto a usb stick and run them?
[19:49] <maps|wrk> nope
[19:49] <maps|wrk> :(
[19:49] <dwatkins> I guess shellinabox is probably the simplest way, though
[19:49] <maps|wrk> thats why im mtrying to make sure apache does come back
[19:49] <dwatkins> so, you need a separate entry in the sites-enabled directory for the port 80 webserver, or a second port to listen on (i.e. 80 as well as 443)
[19:50] <dwatkins> not sure how to have the same webserver listen via http and https at the same time, though
[19:50] <maps|wrk> well, im not sure it worked before using the https config file in the conf/extras dir
[19:50] <maps|wrk> but i noticed in the httpd.conf file (main config file) was no entry for listen 80 where there normally is by defualt..so figured it could be that
[19:51] <maps|wrk> but then also what are these random odd vhosts entries
[19:51] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:51] <dwatkins> did you follow a guide like this? http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_howto.html
[19:51] <maps|wrk> na
[19:51] <maps|wrk> brb
[19:52] <maps|wrk> hm
[19:52] <maps|wrk> mark@frogs:/usr/local/apache/conf$ sudo /etc/init.d/apachectl restart  [Wed Apr 23 20:51:46.116226 2014] [so:warn] [pid 4681:tid 3075208896] AH01574: module authz_core_module is already loaded, skipping
[19:52] <maps|wrk> no errors about port 80 or unable to use port
[19:52] <dwatkins> copy the existing config, go home, read the guide, implement it :)
[19:53] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:53] <dwatkins> to be honest, that's the easiest way, as your config might have some other thing that's causing a problem
[19:53] <maps|wrk> yea
[20:04] <bashrc> the problem I was having with installing ubuntu the other day turned out to be the fault of unetbootin
[20:04] <daftykins> UEFI install?
[20:04] <maps|wrk> trying to install off usb?
[20:04] <bashrc> when I used the startup disk utility to make a bootable USB drive the installation just worked
[20:05] <daftykins> ah, so mac?
[20:05] <daftykins> yeah unetbootin is widely commented as borking for UEFI
[20:05] <maps|wrk> ya whats all this UEFI daftykins  heard it makes it hard to install other OSs
[20:05] <daftykins> :)
[20:05] <daftykins> it's BIOS' replacement
[20:06] <bashrc> I don't think it's UEFI because the laptop is approximately 4 years old
[20:06] <daftykins> oh ok so not a mac?
[20:06] <bashrc> no a lenovo
[20:06] <daftykins> ah well
[20:06] <daftykins> unetbootin seems to cause more trouble here and there :)
[20:06] <daftykins> maps|wrk: i'm just about to switch off my desktop and go cook so can't elaborate there right now i'm afraid!
[20:07] <bashrc> in the past I found unetbootin to be more reliable than the startup disk creator, but things must have changed
[20:07] <daftykins> ultimately it's the new tech to allow newer features along with being able to boot from GPT disks that are 3TB or larger etc.
[20:07] <daftykins> i just use dd
[20:07] <daftykins> :>
[20:07] <maps|wrk> yea but ive heard its a pain installing say even win7 on a new machine that coes with win8?
[20:07] <daftykins> or universal usb installer from pendrivelinux.com if i've a windows host
[20:08] <daftykins> only if you're not willing to root around in your system's setup screens really
[20:08] <bashrc> can you just dd the iso directly to the usb drive?
[20:08] <maps|wrk> ya thats quite good
[20:08] <daftykins> bashrc: yip
[20:08] <maps|wrk> you can? didnt know
[20:08] <bashrc> hah, never really considered doing that
[20:08] <daftykins> dd if=blah.iso of=/dev/sdX
[20:08] <maps|wrk> can you get grub to boot off ajn iso? someone was asking earlier
[20:08] <daftykins> making sure you don't try and use a partition e.g. /dev/sdb1
[20:08] <daftykins> has to be the main device itself
[20:09] <daftykins> yeah
[20:09] <daftykins> i don't know how but GRUB can have a menu entry added to point to an ISO
[20:09] <bashrc> anyway problem solved.  I probably won't be using unetbootin again.
[20:09] <daftykins> :)
[20:09] <daftykins> k gotta go, laters o/
[20:10] <maps|wrk> i hink i used unbetbootin and it worked fine
[20:10] <daftykins> yeah lots of variables in this land of computers
[20:12] <foobarry> 3.8.0-38 isn't letting my laptop suspend
[20:12] <foobarry> but if i try to remove the package it tries to remove raring-lts package too
[20:16] <maps|wrk> 3.0-=38 of what
[20:17] <foobarry> ubuntu kernel
[20:20] <maps|wrk> oh
[20:34] <diddledan> oh, I see unicorns made an unsurprising appearance at the naming ceremony of 14.10
[20:43] <dwatkins> ultimate unicorn
[20:51] <diddledan> nope
[20:51] <diddledan> utopic
[20:53] <graingert_> ngert
[20:58] <diddledan> ngert!!
[20:59] <diddledan> nnnnngert!!!
[20:59] <diddledan> sorry, just squeezing one out
[20:59] <diddledan> like _graingert did above...
[21:00] <_graingert> :?
[21:00] <diddledan> :-p
[23:07] <maps|wrk> fixed apache
[23:07] <maps|wrk> :D
[23:07] <maps|wrk> it was as simple as inserting Listen 80- into httpd.conf
[23:13] <daftykins> £42.49 for a 1TB WD Red to fix the dying disk in my array
[23:14] <daftykins> *or*
[23:14] <daftykins> £61.38 for a 2TB WD Red