[06:07] <jabberwocky93> morning everyone
[06:08]  * jabberwocky93 slaps Spekko with a large trout
[06:09]  * Spekko feels abused
[06:13] <bduk1> More almal
[06:33] <jabberwocky93> more bduk1
[07:13] <Squirm> woop
[07:13] <Squirm> I got my car yesterday
[07:13] <Squirm> :D
[07:25] <Vince-0> o/
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:40] <Vince-0> surp
[07:54] <not_found> o/
[07:54] <Kilos> hi nl
[07:54] <Kilos> ai! hi not_found 
[07:54] <Kilos> lo Golynx 
[07:54] <not_found> :)
[08:03] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:03] <Golynx> hi not_found
[08:05] <not_found> hi Golynx
[08:30] <Kilos> who understands this
[08:31] <Kilos> http://businesstech.co.za/news/mobile/55844/vodacom-readying-fibre-to-the-home/
[08:31] <Kilos> are they going to put fibre cables or what
[08:31] <Kilos> or is the fibre going to be to their mobile towers
[08:36] <Golynx> i think it may be that vodacom is going to buy Neotel and will likely use fibre cables instead of copper cables to provide landline functionality to the home, besides wireless
[08:36] <Kilos> from where?
[08:36] <Kilos> from thier mobile towers
[08:36] <Kilos> thier
[08:37] <Kilos> their
[08:37] <Kilos> that would mean they mobile to the tower then fibre to the homes
[08:37] <Kilos> weird
[08:38] <Golynx> they will use Neotels fibre network mostly and just add on to that 
[08:38] <Kilos> oh thats in the main cities at the moment i think
[08:39] <Golynx> its to increase broadband speeds and LTE network or 4G for vodacom
[08:40] <Kilos> that makes sense then to use fibre to the towers and then mobile
[08:40] <Golynx> vodacom is the best mobile network for high speed internet, so i guess its a good move
[08:40] <Kilos> thats debatable
[08:41] <Golynx> ya i does
[08:42] <Golynx> vodacom put the reason they dont wana bring down data prices to the fact that they use the money to increase network speed
[08:55] <Kilos> to do what? i got 501 till month end
[10:13]  * Kilos gonna reboot to kde for a while
[10:13] <Kilos> wbb
[10:31] <Kilos> morning superfly  ThatGraemeGuy  jabberwocky93  Spekko  
[10:32] <Spekko> more/middag Kilos
[10:33] <Kilos> skuus man ek is aan die slapp vandag
[10:33] <Kilos> slaap
[10:34] <jabberwocky93> middag Kilos :)
[10:34] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[10:37] <Golynx> hi Spekko , jabberwocky93 , superfly & ThatGraemeGuy
[10:39] <Spekko> Morning Golynx
[10:58] <jabberwocky93> hi!
[10:59] <jabberwocky93> Squirm: how's the new wheels?
[10:59] <Squirm> jabberwocky93: very nice
[11:00] <jabberwocky93> awesome :)
[11:01] <jabberwocky93> Kilos: Neotel's fibre infrastructure is huge, there's much more than simply fibre between their mobile towers
[11:02] <Kilos> aha
[11:02] <Kilos> maybe i must ask telkom to take them over
[11:02] <jabberwocky93> noooooo!
[11:03] <jabberwocky93> I can't remember the name of the business that Neotel was based on, they already had fibre all over south africa
[11:09] <jabberwocky93> wikipedia suggests Transtel
[11:09]  * jabberwocky93 is deur die blare
[11:29] <Kilos> hehe
[11:34] <inetpro> Kilos: what we need is competition, not more monopoly
[11:35] <Kilos> ya thats fine if the competition relates to better prices to the end user
[11:35] <Kilos> but telkom is way ahead with prices dropping methinks
[11:36] <inetpro> Vodacom’s acquisition of Neotel ‘is close to completion’
[11:37] <Kilos> peer got jabber
[11:38] <inetpro> when that is sealed and signed I'm hoping that we will see a bit of shakeup
[11:38] <inetpro> but we actually need more than just two powerful cable networks 
[11:39] <Kilos> telkom will just improve their network and win with prices
[11:39] <Kilos> im sure they can speed it up already
[11:39] <inetpro> telkom has held us back for way too many years
[11:39] <Kilos> like how come the d-link is so fast
[11:39] <inetpro> they could have but they didn't
[11:40] <Kilos> the e220 and the zte are 7.2m modems so its only the provider thats holding speed back
[11:40] <inetpro> what we need is FTTH
[11:40] <Kilos> we got min chance of that on plots
[11:46] <Kilos> inetpro  you can take a chance with the dwm-156 now 14.04 kde sees it fine
[11:46] <Kilos> but youre router most likely wont hehe
[11:46] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't need it man
[11:47] <jabberwocky93> http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/ just disappeared!
[11:47] <inetpro> jabberwocky93: I still see it
[11:47] <Kilos> maaz is http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/ down
[11:48] <inetpro> oops... a forced refresh and I also see "404 Not Found"
[11:48] <jabberwocky93> I see http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/ is still working
[11:48]  * jabberwocky93 continues his download
[11:48] <superfly> weeee!!!! http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/
[11:49] <Kilos> what you downloading jabberwocky93  
[11:49] <jabberwocky93> I'm downloading 14.04 for a friend, I updated via apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:49] <Golynx> superfly: watch your grammer please!
[11:50] <Golynx> you're :p
[11:50] <superfly> My grammar?
[11:50] <Kilos> lol
[11:51] <jabberwocky93> lol @ symblink
[11:55] <inetpro> Kilos: my next router will much rather be something like the HUAWEI B593 4G LTE CPE Industrial Wireless Router
[11:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:55] <Golynx> can the grammar issue still be mentioned at the meeting ?
[11:55] <Kilos> Golynx  ?
[11:55] <Kilos> what you mean
[11:56] <Kilos> what grammar issue
[11:56] <Golynx> Kilos remember a few weeks ago i got upset about being corrected for a few spelling mistakes
[11:57] <inetpro> Golynx: did he make a mistake?
[11:57] <Kilos> ya that was me
[11:57] <Kilos> now i dont try correct anymore
[11:57] <Kilos> follow the old saying
[11:57] <Kilos> ignorance is bliss
[11:57] <Kilos> hehe
[11:58] <Golynx> it kinda felt like apartheid. I think anyone should be free to speak the way they want , aslong as they're words can be understood by many
[11:58] <Kilos> since i been here only 2 peeps have got mad at being helped with spelling
[11:59] <Kilos> their
[11:59] <Kilos> rofl
[11:59] <inetpro> urbandictionary:  weeee - something that you say when u are really happy or bored or just wanna make a statment and you dont really know what to say
[12:00] <Kilos> haha
[12:00] <Golynx> inetpro: ah , but how many !!!! ?
[12:01] <inetpro> Golynx: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=weeee
[12:01] <Golynx> should it be one ! or three !!! ?
[12:01] <inetpro> aI!
[12:01] <Golynx> lol
[12:02] <Kilos> ai! inetpro  die kinders darem
[12:02] <Kilos> ons word oud
[12:03] <Golynx> you also use Dutch here , i dont understand that, so that dont qualify as acceptable
[12:03] <superfly> *sigh* this is as far as I was able to go: http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/
[12:03] <Kilos> sights upgrading
[12:03] <Kilos> sites too
[12:04] <Kilos> dont you understand afrikaans Golynx  ?
[12:04] <Kilos> oh my
[12:08] <Golynx> Kilos ya i do, maar sommige van die hollandse taal is deurmekaar woorde
[12:08] <Kilos> o hulle
[12:09] <Golynx> bitteschon ?
[12:09] <Kilos> hulle is vriende hier so ons baklei nie met hulle nie
[12:09] <Golynx> danke i understand is dankie
[12:09] <Kilos> thats german for ty
[12:09] <Kilos> no'
[12:09] <Kilos> pleasure
[12:10] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[12:10] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[12:10] <jabberwocky93> superfly: hahaha I did that too
[12:10] <Golynx> Kilos: oh ok
[12:21] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[12:21] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[12:27] <Kilos> hi Rynomster  Xethron  
[12:30] <Xethron_> hi Kilos
[12:30] <Xethron_> It started crashing again :'(
[12:31] <Kilos> oh my
[12:31] <Kilos> somehow you can see error messages
[12:31] <Kilos> tail or cat methinks
[12:31] <Kilos> inetpro  which one to use to see error logs please?
[12:32] <Kilos> tail /var/log/syslog
[12:33] <Xethron_> Yeah
[12:33] <Xethron_> I tried all the logs
[12:33] <Xethron_> None of them contain any info
[12:34] <Kilos> nowhere you can see whats crashing?
[12:34] <Kilos> must be some record somewhere
[12:34] <Xethron_> I've even started dumping info like heat and stuff into a seperate file, and nothing seems strange at the time of crashing
[12:34] <Xethron_> I think it crashes before a record can be saved
[12:34] <Kilos> what are you doing when it crashes?
[12:35] <Kilos> what apps are running
[12:35] <Kilos> find the guilty app 
[12:41] <Xethron_> Kilos: well
[12:41] <Xethron_> I always have a ton of apps open
[12:41] <Kilos> do they all run a while then the crash or crash when you open a certain one or what
[12:41] <Xethron_> Firefox, Sublime Text, Skype, Thunderbird, and possibly Quessel IRC are amongst some of the names I believe have been open on every crash
[12:42] <Xethron_> No
[12:42] <Xethron_> Everything runs fine
[12:42] <Xethron_> There is no Action involved
[12:42] <Kilos> not heat?
[12:42] <Kilos> dirty cpu
[12:42] <Xethron_> Just, at a random time, doing a random (sometimes nothing) thing, it crashes
[12:42] <Xethron_> Sometimes I will leave it and come back finding it crashed
[12:42] <Xethron_> other times I would be typing
[12:43] <Kilos> check cpu heatsink and fan if they are clean
[12:43] <Kilos> total everything crash like a hang?
[12:43] <Kilos> reseat rams
[12:43] <Xethron_> Kilos: I have logged tempretures to a file, and after the crash, they all looked normal
[12:44] <Xethron_> And yeah, screen freezes in its last state
[12:44] <Xethron_> So I can still see everything
[12:44] <Xethron_> Screen looks fine
[12:44] <Xethron_> but nothing works
[12:44] <Kilos> hm... where the clever peeps when these probs arise
[12:45] <Kilos> what does google tell you?
[12:45] <Kilos> its most likely hardware i think
[12:45] <Kilos> or you got a bug from msn or something
[12:46] <Xethron_> haha
[12:46] <Xethron_> yeah
[12:46] <Xethron_> I dunno
[12:46] <Xethron_> I think I'll just buy myself a new pc
[12:47] <Kilos> send the old one here ill fix it for you
[12:49] <Xethron_> haha
[12:50] <Kilos> how old is it
[12:50] <Kilos> what specs
[12:51] <Kilos> its a stupid thing causing the crash most likely
[14:30] <Golynx> webcam works \o/
[14:56] <Kilos> what is a docking station?
[14:59] <Golynx> isn't that like where you plug in the ubuntu phone then its connected as a full desktop OS to the pc 
[14:59] <Golynx> Maaz google docking station
[14:59] <Maaz> Golynx: "Docking station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_station :: "Amazon.com: Docking Stations: Electronics" http://www.amazon.com/b?node=778660 :: "Laptop Docking Stations - Best Buy" http://www.bestbuy.com/site/laptop-accessories/laptop-docking-stations/pcmcat251600050011.c?id=pcmcat251600050011 :: "Laptop Docking
[14:59] <Maaz> Stations: USB Docking Stations at Office Depot" http://www.officedepot.com/a/browse/laptop-docking-s…
[15:01] <Kilos> ah ty i forget maaz sometimes
[15:05] <Golynx> cool stuff 
[15:06] <Kilos> shame i look at olx and bidorbuy sometimes
[15:06] <Kilos> one student is selling his lappy for 1500 to pay his registration fee
[15:08] <Golynx> registration fee for university ?
[15:08] <Kilos> ya
[15:09] <Golynx> oh, ya thats not good 
[15:09] <Kilos> and some peeps spend R1.2m on swimming pool and kraals
[15:09] <Kilos> hehe
[15:09] <Golynx> lol
[15:12] <Golynx> funny how some of the richest people on the world dropped out of or never went to university
[15:17] <Kilos> yeah
[16:42] <charl_> good evening
[16:42] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[16:42]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:46] <Kilos> hi charl_  
[16:46] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[16:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[16:46] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[16:46] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[16:46] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:46] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[16:46] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[16:46] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[16:47] <Golynx> hi charl_
[16:47] <charl_> hi Golynx 
[16:47] <charl_> how's it going
[16:48] <Golynx> good and your side
[16:50] <Golynx> you're*
[16:50] <charl_> good
[16:50] <charl_> busy working on some dnssec code
[16:53] <Golynx> dns security never slows hey
[16:57] <Golynx> got to keep those backdoors closed :)
[17:59] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[18:01] <charl_> hi Private_User 
[18:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:01] <charl_> i am really loving 14.04 up to this far
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah me too
[18:01] <charl_> i upgraded my laptop yesterday
[18:01] <charl_> they fixed that irritating ctrl+left and right arrow keys problem in byobu
[18:01] <Kilos> kde even saw my d-link modem right off
[18:01] <charl_> you can now skip words again
[18:02] <charl_> that one was really irritating me
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <charl_> there was a fix for it but then you have to do it on every server
[18:02] <charl_> now it's right by default
[18:02] <Kilos> 14.04 actually seems like one of the better releases
[18:03] <charl_> yes
[18:04] <Kilos> hey charl give some ideas to Xethron_  
[18:04] <charl_> what ideas?
[18:04] <Kilos> his pc hangs every now and again
[18:05] <charl_> randomly? check te syslogs
[18:05] <charl_> that's my only advice
[18:05] <Kilos> eish man we need more info
[18:05] <charl_> somebody i know had that problem and it ended up being related to the nouveau drivers
[18:05] <Kilos> he says syslogs dont show the crash
[18:05] <charl_> replaced them with the binaries and it worked (nvidia)
[18:06] <charl_> i had an idea that the graphics card was the issue
[18:06] <Kilos> Xethron_  ping
[18:06] <charl_> especially since the issue only popped up when she used a browser
[18:06] <charl_> brb
[18:06] <Kilos> he has a lot of apps running
[18:19] <charl_> try to narrow it down with one app at a time
[18:20] <charl_> if you have a strange graphics card (basically anything other than intel hd) you might have a problem in any case
[18:20] <Golynx> maybe his going beyond the memory ram capacity
[18:20] <Golynx> swap too
[18:21] <Golynx> just a guess though :p
[18:23] <Kilos> will hear when he answers
[18:23] <Kilos> frustrating that. ubuntu is just supposed to work
[18:25] <charl_> also possible, a hardware problem
[18:26] <charl_> often the cause of freezes if there is nothing in the syslog
[18:34] <Golynx> Kilos this morning it was vodacom and now its mtn lol http://www.techcentral.co.za/mtn-reveals-fibre-to-the-home-plans/47750/
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> they must carry on then telkom will also push harder
[18:37] <Golynx> but mtn has the telkom deal going, while vodacom is with neotel
[18:38] <Kilos> im happy with my speed as is just would like 5g data for the R148
[18:38] <Kilos> R149
[18:39] <Kilos> im getting as bad as everyone else
[18:39] <Kilos> 3g is becoming min
[18:40] <Golynx> yeah, we need much cost per gig in the mobile sector. Atleast equal to landline will be good. 
[18:41] <Golynx> lower*
[18:43] <Golynx> lets hope the deals mobile networks made with the landline giants brings down cost and improves the overall network reliability
[18:43] <Golynx> hi Private_User
[18:52] <Kilos> my net is good. been on all day without a break
[18:53] <Kilos> i still think 8ta is tops
[18:53] <Kilos> sis has voda on her tablet and often loses connection
[18:55] <Golynx> no 8ta here coverage here. Strange vodacom dont have such good coverage outside Pretoria
[19:00] <Kilos> it shows full signal of fones but often disconnects
[19:01] <Kilos> 8ta very stable
[19:08] <Golynx> oh ok
[19:16] <Kilos> bad connection again Private_User  
[19:27] <Golynx> such weird names 14.10 named Utopic Unicorn lol
[19:29] <charl_> have a good evening all
[19:37] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:37] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow